New Warriors #6 Spoilers!!!!

[Samuraixsithlord]

The issue begins with all the NW talking about how they were with the X-men and that they can handle themselves but Night Trasher still plans on disbanding the team.

We cut the the hospital to see that Sofia is alright but they had to shave her head for surgery. All her friends from the resturant come and visit her and wish her well. Luke Cage then walks in to talk and has everyone else leave. "Luke" then reveals that she is really Jubilee using a hologram.

The two detectives covering the NW then get a CD from an unknown source. The two detectives then go to see Ben Urich as the CD reveals that Tony Stark is secretly funding the NW and other villans to create a reason for the Initiative to exist. They want Ben to run the story but he refuses because he believes that whatever Stark has done he's done it because he believes its the right thing to do and not for profit and glory

The scene cuts back back to the NW who are commenting on how they can still be heroes without the money and resources that Night Trasher gave them. Night Trasher then walks in with Debit cards for the whole team. Jubilee then brings in Sofia who talks Night Trasher into keeping the NW alive.
We then find that most of the NW are depowered mutants. Phaser and Skybolt were Radian and Redneck of the Omega Gang. Longstrike was Tatoo and Ripcord was Stacy X. Sofia even comments on Angel loosing weight and that losing her mutant powers was good.

We then cut to the detectives who confront Stark over the info they got. They chew himout about in an i guess they plan on giving the info over to the press. Knowing what Tony has done before Ms. Marvel reveals that she's begun to doubt him to.

The last two pages reveal that the new Night Trasher is the old Night Trasher's brother who is also able to walk.

[Faded]

Does Sofia make a pretty bald girl?

[Samuraixsithlord]

Does Sofia make a pretty bald girl?

Can't tell she's got bandages on her head

[HeckBoy]

We then cut to the detectives who confront Stark over the info they got. They chew himout about in an i guess they plan on giving the info over to the press. That sounds kinda weak. I dont see how Tony, being as smart and savvy as he is, can be talked down to like that. No offense, but those detectives are small fries in the Marvel U and how they're going up against Tony now is a bit ridiculous. I don't like these stories where the "regular folk" get all righteous and start mouthing off to the superheroes. It reminds me of Sally's myspace rant in a sense and that was no good. And judging by the character reveals, it seems like this New Warriors team should really be called the ex-X-Men

[Kage Kisaragi]

Which one was the one that died again?

[Taskmaster]

The issue begins with all the NW talking about how they were with the X-men and that they can handle themselves but Night Trasher still plans on disbanding the team.

We cut the the hospital to see that Sofia is alright but they had to shave her head for surgery. All her friends from the resturant come and visit her and wish her well. Luke Cage then walks in to talk and has everyone else leave. "Luke" then reveals that she is really Jubilee using a hologram.

The two detectives covering the NW then get a CD from an unknown source. The two detectives then go to see Ben Urich as the CD reveals that Tony Stark is secretly funding the NW and other villans to create a reason for the Initiative to exist. They want Ben to run the story but he refuses because he believes that whatever Stark has done he's done it because he believes its the right thing to do and not for profit and glory

The scene cuts back back to the NW who are commenting on how they can still be heroes without the money and resources that Night Trasher gave them. Night Trasher then walks in with Debit cards for the whole team. Jubilee then brings in Sofia who talks Night Trasher into keeping the NW alive.
We then find that most of the NW are depowered mutants. Phaser and Skybolt were Radian and Redneck of the Omega Gang. Longstrike was Tatoo and Ripcord was Stacy X. Sofia even comments on Angel loosing weight and that losing her mutant powers was good.

We then cut to the detectives who confront Stark over the info they got. They chew himout about in an i guess they plan on giving the info over to the press. Knowing what Tony has done before Ms. Marvel reveals that she's begun to doubt him to.

The last two pages reveal that the new Night Trasher is the old Night Trasher's brother who is also able to walk.

Ah, so the scumbag who hated his brother and everything he stood for is taking Dwayne's place? Guess i'm dropping this book

[CMBMOOL]

Hold it so STARK funding the team, Tony Stark, MR. "Do this or it's jail" guy is funding the New Warriors ?!?! :eek:


Also with all of the Team is reveal as former mutants with ties to the X-men, should there be a moment in the series that former mutants should help out the X-men in the future ? :(

Man, I still can't believe it that Stark is funding the New Warriors... :evilangry

[CMBMOOL]

Ah, so the scumbag who hated his brother and everything he stood for is taking Dwayne's place? Guess i'm dropping this book

Well think of it htat he may have hated his brother, but he is still family. :o

[TotalWorldDomination]

Hold it so STARK funding the team, Tony Stark, MR. "Do this or it's jail" guy is funding the New Warriors ?!?! :eek:


Also with all of the Team is reveal as former mutants with ties to the X-men, should there be a moment in the series that former mutants should help out the X-men in the future ? :(

Man, I still can't believe it that Stark is funding the New Warriors... :evilangry

This is so stupid, parts of my face are getting frostbite and rotting off just from looking at it. "He needs a reason for the Initiative to exist" so he's funding the equvilant of Super-vigilantes and then wanted to bring them into the program???

I.... I'm speachless. This has to be wrong. Marvel editorial promised us tony would stop acting like a *!#$(!P$@^%!!!!! Now he's acting like an Anti-Reg Sympathist @#$%!#$^!!!! If this holds out I'm starting the "Replace Tony Stark as Director of SHEILD and bring in someone who actually has a backbone" club... :evilangry

[Kage Kisaragi]

Hold it so STARK funding the team, Tony Stark, MR. "Do this or it's jail" guy is funding the New Warriors ?!?! :eek:


Also with all of the Team is reveal as former mutants with ties to the X-men, should there be a moment in the series that former mutants should help out the X-men in the future ? :(

Man, I still can't believe it that Stark is funding the New Warriors... :evilangry

Cool it, its not like he hasn't displayed his full dickery in his intentions. I mean he did do it because he wanted to show that there is a need for his initiative idea.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Hold it so STARK funding the team, Tony Stark, MR. "Do this or it's jail" guy is funding the New Warriors ?!?! :eek:


Also with all of the Team is reveal as former mutants with ties to the X-men, should there be a moment in the series that former mutants should help out the X-men in the future ? :(

Man, I still can't believe it that Stark is funding the New Warriors... :evilangry

I doubt Stark is funding the team. Thrash gave them the disk, remember?

Thrash is running the fight on two fronts. Publically, he's trying to win public opinion and covertly, he's covering his tracks, making sure that he's not found out. I'd bet good money that 'Stark is funding the Warriors' is simply Thrash doing some counter intelligence.

Ah, so the scumbag who hated his brother and everything he stood for is taking Dwayne's place? Guess i'm dropping this book

Has Bandit been confirmed by dialogue, though? Just because it don't look like Dwayne doesn't mean it isn't.

[Bryson the Red]

I'm glad I decided to drop the book this issue. I don't like the sounds of this. All the porblems I have with it aside, the one thing that is really bugging me...

Why the hell would Jubilee disguise herself as Luke Cage to get into a public place?

[bluedmighty]

If it IS Bandit,

I can see how the death of his Brother and all the "post-shiting on the name" would bring him out as a Hero.

I like the fact that its de-powered Mutants.

Learning to fight the good fight with No natural powers, adjusting to the tech, getting new names and becoming................


New Warriors :D

I was a fan of the old NW
I AM a Fan of the New NW

just to be clear

[Samuraixsithlord]

Hold it so STARK funding the team, Tony Stark, MR. "Do this or it's jail" guy is funding the New Warriors ?!?! :eek:


Also with all of the Team is reveal as former mutants with ties to the X-men, should there be a moment in the series that former mutants should help out the X-men in the future ? :(

Man, I still can't believe it that Stark is funding the New Warriors... :evilangry


It's probably Night Trasher throwing some heat Starks way. The solicitations for Iron man show him being kicked out as head of shield and we all know that Fury is coming back after Secret Invasion so it could be the beginning of the end of Iron-mans career

[Faded]

Which one was the one that died again?

Longstrike (formerly Tattoo of the Omega Gang).

She had red buzz cut.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Hold it so STARK funding the team, Tony Stark, MR. "Do this or it's jail" guy is funding the New Warriors ?!?! :eek:


Also with all of the Team is reveal as former mutants with ties to the X-men, should there be a moment in the series that former mutants should help out the X-men in the future ? :(

Man, I still can't believe it that Stark is funding the New Warriors... :evilangry


I don't see the NW being to friendly with the X-men seeing as Emma and Scott (mostly Emma) kicked them out of the only home that most of them had.

[DaeJi]

You have got to be @#$%ing kidding me. I swear to God, I'm sick of seeing Tony presented like this. Unless your name is Christos Gage, Ed Brubaker, Brian Micheal Bendis, or Daniel and Charles Knauf, you shouldn't be writing him. And why the Hell would Sofia want to join the New Warriors?! It's nothing more than a team of de-powered mutants coming together to form one giant failure. I can't... I'm speechless.

[DaeJi]

It's probably Night Trasher throwing some heat Starks way. The solicitations for Iron man show him being kicked out as head of shield and we all know that Fury is coming back after Secret Invasion so it could be the beginning of the end of Iron-mans career

Which is too bad, Tony made a much more interesting head of S.H.I.E.L.D. than Fury ever did in my book.

[The Cool Thatguy]

You have got to be @#$%ing kidding me. I swear to God, I'm sick of seeing Tony presented like this. Unless your name is Christos Gage, Ed Brubaker, Brian Micheal Bendis, or Daniel and Charles Knauf, you shouldn't be writing him. And why the Hell would Sofia want to join the New Warriors?! It's nothing more than a team of de-powered mutants coming together to form one giant failure. I can't... I'm speechless.

Presented like what? The guy's innocent of the charges, we all but know that.

If you're referring to him not being trusted, well...leading a war against fellow heroes, forming a secret society that banishes the Hulk into space and generally deciding that you know best for people regardless of their input, it's only natural that people would start to doubt you. Mistrust of Stark, innocent or not, is long overdue.

[Red Lotus]

Bandit is Night Thrasher. Who didn't see that coming. I hope this isn't true, its to easy.

[CMBMOOL]

It's probably Night Trasher throwing some heat Starks way. The solicitations for Iron man show him being kicked out as head of shield and we all know that Fury is coming back after Secret Invasion so it could be the beginning of the end of Iron-mans career

Well if that is true, then I'm all for it if it keeps the feds off the New Warriors back and that it would bring Stark's "Army of heroes" down a bit. :D

[CMBMOOL]

I don't see the NW being to friendly with the X-men seeing as Emma and Scott (mostly Emma) kicked them out of the only home that most of them had.


Ah, but you forget Charles Xaiver, and maybe he would like a word with some of his former students. :o

[CMBMOOL]

You have got to be @#$%ing kidding me. I swear to God, I'm sick of seeing Tony presented like this. Unless your name is Christos Gage, Ed Brubaker, Brian Micheal Bendis, or Daniel and Charles Knauf, you shouldn't be writing him. And why the Hell would Sofia want to join the New Warriors?! It's nothing more than a team of de-powered mutants coming together to form one giant failure. I can't... I'm speechless.

Now calm down my friend calm down and let me try to explain it the best way I can...

Now remember Tony Stark was a War Profiter in Civil WAr and the public never knew about that.

Plus Tony did Banish the Hulk away, despite the fact that it was never shown or proven that he killed anyone during his rampages.

Also don't forget Tony did Kidnapped the Hulk against his will and used him to "save the world," Plus he depowered the Hulk's cousin just because she knew of the Hulk's exile

Also don't forget that Tony's friend Warmachine and Inititative member Kamudo was sent to depowered Spider-man even though he was registered and was trying to fight crime.

So I while I'm shock to see Tony finally caught in the act, it could all be a ruse to throw the cops of the New Warriors trial, or is it ? :evilsmile


As for the Sophia thing, let me see if I can explain it a bit better, now there's this little rumor going on over at the X-men forums is that Xavier may have agree with Wanda's decision to depowered most of the Mutant population as it could "end the struggle against Human and mutants."

And while the X-men battle over the new mutant baby, there are those within the New Warriors that may still believe in Xaiver's dream even though they are depowered and they are doing the work that the X-men were made to do. :D

Besides once an X-men always an X-men. :D

[Bryson the Red]

Now calm down my friend calm down and let me try to explain it the best way I can...

Now remember Tony Stark was a War Profiter in Civil WAr and the public never knew about that.

Plus Tony did Banish the Hulk away, despite the fact that it was never shown or proven that he killed anyone during his rampages.

Also don't forget Tony did Kidnapped the Hulk against his will and used him to "save the world," Plus he depowered the Hulk's cousin just because she knew of the Hulk's exile

Also don't forget that Tony's friend Warmachine and Inititative member Kamudo was sent to depowered Spider-man even though he was registered and was trying to fight crime.

So I while I'm shock to see Tony finally caught in the act, it could all be a ruse to throw the cops of the New Warriors trial, or is it ? :evilsmile

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but...

-The War Profiter thing is very questionable, since it seems to be a different story depending on what book you read.
-Nothing that you mentioned with Hulk was just Stark.
-Spiderman may be registered, but he's still a criminal at this point.

[Dagger]

You have got to be @#$%ing kidding me. I swear to God, I'm sick of seeing Tony presented like this. Unless your name is Christos Gage, Ed Brubaker, Brian Micheal Bendis, or Daniel and Charles Knauf, you shouldn't be writing him. And why the Hell would Sofia want to join the New Warriors?! It's nothing more than a team of de-powered mutants coming together to form one giant failure. I can't... I'm speechless.
I agree on all other choices but D&C Knauf write him terribly boring1!!!! I want either Gage or Casey to be the new ongoing writer after the Mandarin arc!

[Yaw]

I'm glad I decided to drop the book this issue. I don't like the sounds of this. All the porblems I have with it aside, the one thing that is really bugging me...

Why the hell would Jubilee disguise herself as Luke Cage to get into a public place?

that wasn't luke cage. that was a hospital nurse who happened to be a large muscular Black man with no hair. That is why the guy said "Luke Cage" in quotes, ie the guy was trying to be funny. At least that is how I took it.

[Anna]

Nice little coinky-dink that the Marvel books planted that little reference to Tony creating Nightcrawler's image inducer, and then having the New warriors using them.

[drwho]

Issue was much more entertaining and it was great to see so much of Jubilee. Still Ripcord is Stacy X? NO I dont think so seems like they just pulled an exmutant name out of the book. Just because she is no longer a mutant whore doesnt mean she would go and be a hero. The writing was better and I guess Bandit is Night Thrasher. Ripcord is not Stacy X was she in the Generation M mini where she was a whore cracked out living on the streets. They make her seem 15 in this. You just dont become unsexy because you are no longer a mutant. That was what irked me most about this issue. I like the use of Tony as a red herring in this because it does seem like something this new Tony Stark would do.

[Exo]

Burning classified information to a CD is so outdated.

[Bryson the Red]

that wasn't luke cage. that was a hospital nurse who happened to be a large muscular Black man with no hair. That is why the guy said "Luke Cage" in quotes, ie the guy was trying to be funny. At least that is how I took it.

Ok, thats what I thought from the preview, but the review said it was Luke.

[bluedmighty]

Now calm down my friend calm down and let me try to explain it the best way I can...

Now remember Tony Stark was a War Profiter in Civil WAr and the public never knew about that.

Plus Tony did Banish the Hulk away, despite the fact that it was never shown or proven that he killed anyone during his rampages.

Also don't forget Tony did Kidnapped the Hulk against his will and used him to "save the world," Plus he depowered the Hulk's cousin just because she knew of the Hulk's exile

Also don't forget that Tony's friend Warmachine and Inititative member Kamudo was sent to depowered Spider-man even though he was registered and was trying to fight crime.

So I while I'm shock to see Tony finally caught in the act, it could all be a ruse to throw the cops of the New Warriors trial, or is it ? :evilsmile


As for the Sophia thing, let me see if I can explain it a bit better, now there's this little rumor going on over at the X-men forums is that Xavier may have agree with Wanda's decision to depowered most of the Mutant population as it could "end the struggle against Human and mutants."

And while the X-men battle over the new mutant baby, there are those within the New Warriors that may still believe in Xaiver's dream even though they are depowered and they are doing the work that the X-men were made to do. :D

Besides once an X-men always an X-men. :D


Not to mention:

He PAID the Titanium Man to ATTACK him DURING his speech AGAINST the SHRA in DC.

Thereby, inturn PLAYING Parker for the "Friendly Niehborhood Sucker"

[Expletive Deleted]

Burning classified information to a CD is so outdated.The modern alternatives aren't as cool looking.

[Exo]

The modern alternatives aren't as cool looking.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1255/tinfoilstudyku8.jpg

What's not to like about downloading information straight to your brain with a tin-foil on the head?

[Grunty]

Like i stated in the preview i am happy for Stacy Xs living going uphill again. This is clearly better than how she was in Generation M (quite like Chamber).

Also her equickment and costume seem to be quite cool. Omega Red like weapons and wall crawling equickment are quite nice to have.

Also looks like someone reads questions made on the interview since we got a hint by the writer that he hadn't forgot about Beaks and Angels kids and that she used to be broader in the past.

I have the feeling the NW have to keep an eye on Skybolts and Phaser, because former is there for money and powers and the lesser because of his sisters death. Of course to counter clichès they will not become traitors later.

[Yaw]

Ah, so the scumbag who hated his brother and everything he stood for is taking Dwayne's place? Guess i'm dropping this book


He's a depowered mutant. Maybe he had a change of heart about things. By the way he hated Dwayne because he received everything he didn't from their father. Taylor Foundation is gone as well as Dwayne and his dad. Again a change of heart is not out of the question, especially for someone who has played the hero before.

[worstblogever]

The minute Bandit was in a wheelchair I thought... "Keyser Soze? HELLLOOOOO..."

And now my love of Kevin Spacey movies proves me correct.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ah, so the scumbag who hated his brother and everything he stood for is taking Dwayne's place? Guess i'm dropping this book

aye. it would have been so perfect if Dwayne had cheated death/pulled a machiavelli. i just can't stand "Donyell." everything about that guy was a bad stereotype imo. he just didn't have what made the original Thrash unique.

Well think of it htat he may have hated his brother, but he is still family. :o

he took Dwayne's girlfriend too. that's not family.

[drwho]

I really think that the whole idea of using old characters being used here was cool, but so many of them are so far from their original characters. It really gets under your skin. I mean when is Stacy X gonna start being Stacy X? I'd like them to keep their original personalities.

[Monty_Cristo]

I really think that the whole idea of using old characters being used here was cool, but so many of them are so far from their original characters. It really gets under your skin. I mean when is Stacy X gonna start being Stacy X? I'd like them to keep their original personalities.

you want her to start turning tricks? :D

[jawbreaker]

Ill pick this up the same week issue 7 comes out...

so does Jono do/say anything other than be background scenery?

[Expletive Deleted]

so does Jono do/say anything other than be background scenery?He has a couple of lines. Nothing too significant, though.

[XPac]

That sounds kinda weak. I dont see how Tony, being as smart and savvy as he is, can be talked down to like that. No offense, but those detectives are small fries in the Marvel U and how they're going up against Tony now is a bit ridiculous. I don't like these stories where the "regular folk" get all righteous and start mouthing off to the superheroes. It reminds me of Sally's myspace rant in a sense and that was no good. And judging by the character reveals, it seems like this New Warriors team should really be called the ex-X-Men

I don't think there's anything wrong with the "regular folk" necessarily talking down to a super hero as long as the regular fold know what the heck they're talking about.

In the case of Sally Flody, the problem wasn't that she was regular folk. The problem was that she was a complete moron. I didn't read the issue... if the cops talking to Tony are coming off as imbeciles that don't know what they're talking about, then that's annoying. But if they're just doing their job and making sensible accusations, there's nothing wrong with them getting in Starks face simply because he's the high and mighty Tony Stark. The whole point of CW was hero accountability... this is just Stark getting a taste of that. That's not necessarily a bad thing, depending on how the book handles it.

[Faded]

The series is getting better story-wise--though not necessarily dialogue/character-wise, but I'm definitely interested in where this is headed beyond following around past favorites for vaguely defined reasons.

There's a nice mystery about who is funding the New Warriors--and more importantly, why. Or maybe I'm just a bit slow and Bandit is a millionaire. I particularly liked the exchange between the detectives and Stark. Hopefully when things hit the van, the New Warriors will be tied up in some twisted way.

Anyway, I'm glad the "is she or isn't she" game with Sofia has been resolved and she's finally joined the team. I would've loved for her to go back to the New X-Men, but hey--she's got a home. It was nice to see her connect the tragedies of her life into a motivation for joining the team--I felt Sofia for at least a moment there. It was a nice feeling. :)

But, she should never mention anything about "junk in the trunk" ever again, I don't care if she's talking about garbage in the back of a minivan. OMG, let's not put me through that again. LOL.

Despite Sofia's lovely locks of hair cut off, I have confidence that she can pull it off. I won't be mad as long as she retains her femininity. It could actually be a great change for her visually from being a light-skinned Hispanic blondish-brunette into something more recognizable and unique.

Stacy X as Ripcord is...interesting. I thought she was black, though. I'm not feeling Ms. Ripcord and she's kinda in the same pile as complacent housewife Tempest and studly muffin Barry at this point.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8752/stacyripcordrk9.jpg

Phaser's...annoying. I MEAN I KNOW HIS SISTER DIED. Like, I know. I should feel bad, they should feel bad--but I don't know who's more obnoxious in this case. Maybe I'm just a little biased against his scrunched up facial expressions and his weird little Strong Guy goggles. That subplot is just all sorts of confusion on my conscience.

Uhhhh...good art as always. Delays suck, but its nice that its getting back on track and the next issue should be out in like 2 weeks.

I give this issue a solid B!

[Anna]

Just one small point... Didn't Sofia arrive at Xavier's after the riot that sent the Omega Gang to jail? If so, how would she have known Redneck?

[CMBMOOL]

Just one small point... Didn't Sofia arrive at Xavier's after the riot that sent the Omega Gang to jail? If so, how would she have known Redneck?

Maybe from various student rumors about that peticular X-men adventure ?

[Somebody]

Just one small point... Didn't Sofia arrive at Xavier's after the riot that sent the Omega Gang to jail? If so, how would she have known Redneck?
Yes. Laurie was the only one of the NMs who was at the Institute at the time.

But, hey, she barely had time to know Beak before he vanished either. And her powers emerged well before her mum died.

[Faded]

Just one small point... Didn't Sofia arrive at Xavier's after the riot that sent the Omega Gang to jail? If so, how would she have known Redneck?

Speaking of which, it did imply Sofia knew Angel, right? I wasn't entirely positive if Angel was just having a timid reintroduction.

But, hey, she barely had time to know Beak before he vanished either. And her powers emerged well before her mum died.

Do you remember if she had a stepdad? I don't see her describing Mr. Barrett as "poppy", especially not in such an embellished light.

[Somebody]

Do you remember if she had a stepdad? I don't see her describing Mr. Barrett as "poppy", especially not in such an embellished light.
If she did, he died or left before her mum died as well. The only possible alternative is the uncle who sent her to her father rather than put the effort into bringing up a mutant (I paraphrase, but Sofia overheard him say something like that with the listening-from-afar aspect of her powers).

[Vaal]

Aaaaaand I'm done. I got into this because I was promised the return of some depowered mutants and my girl Sophia.

But Sophia sure as hell isn't Sophia in the writing and the mutants that came back were either Morrison's lame creations who will become cannon fodder (the Omegas) or completely stripped of thier unique looks to form The Most Generic Super Team Ever (Beak, Angel, Stacy X). Jubes it the only one that doesn't blow and the art makes her look hi-larious.

I sat through six issues os 'lol, guess the character!' for Bandit? Feh, no thank you. Maybe it'd soften the blow if Tony really was pulling the strings and we continue his slide to villainy, but that's not going to happen either, I'm afraid.

So I'm out. Wake me when Sophia grows a personality again or someone on this book displays some knowledge of continuity that can't be gleaned form wikipedia.

[Tobias Drake]

My continuity sense went off horrendously in this issue.

SOFIA: It was just [my mother] and I until she left to be with God. Then came the winds. Poppy didn't understand. I don't blame him. Neither did I, really.

The winds came before her mother died. She was known for them around her Venezuelan home, and was rather adept at using them. I also notice she makes no mention whatsoever of the butler that was there for her when her father wasn't, until she joined the X-Men, nor of him after she left the Institute to stay with him. This, along with other inconsistencies mostly regarding her personality in general, leads me to suspect that the writer has read a brief summary of her life, little more.

[Monty_Cristo]

they are all skrulls. the real new warriors are lurking in the shadows somewhere. maybe it was a bunch of skrull kids that got killed at Stamford.

[Nate Palm]

So Thrash is Bandit. That's not gonna do it for me. Out.

[Vaal]

they are all skrulls. the real new warriors are lurking in the shadows somewhere. maybe it was a bunch of skrull kids that got killed at Stamford.

Skrulls would do their homework. These are space phantoms.

[podmark]

This is so stupid, parts of my face are getting frostbite and rotting off just from looking at it. "He needs a reason for the Initiative to exist" so he's funding the equvilant of Super-vigilantes and then wanted to bring them into the program???

I.... I'm speachless. This has to be wrong. Marvel editorial promised us tony would stop acting like a *!#$(!P$@^%!!!!! Now he's acting like an Anti-Reg Sympathist @#$%!#$^!!!! If this holds out I'm starting the "Replace Tony Stark as Director of SHEILD and bring in someone who actually has a backbone" club... :evilangry

Haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if this has already been cleared up, but I read the scene as Thrash throwing off the police investigation by making them think it was Tony funding the team.

[worstblogever]

they are all skrulls. the real new warriors are lurking in the shadows somewhere. maybe it was a bunch of skrull kids that got killed at Stamford.

I think Bandit is, yes. The others, maybe. But Bandit is very likely. Honoring his brother THIS way isn't exactly what I'd expect from him. We were told to watch characters coming back from the dead and limbo for skrulls... well?

[Nate Palm]

Haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if this has already been cleared up, but I read the scene as Thrash throwing off the police investigation by making them think it was Tony funding the team.

Indeed. I thought it was a pretty straight forward scene.

Thrash had Stark bugged. Ok that was sweet. Too bad that's really more of a Dwayne thing than Donyell.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Indeed. I thought it was a pretty straight forward scene.

Thrash had Stark bugged. Ok that was sweet. Too bad that's really more of a Dwayne thing than Donyell.

Call me crazy, but until they confirm who Thrash is by his real name, I'm gonna hold out hope that it's Dwayne. For all we know, Dwayne could have altered his appearance to look like his brother.

[Somebody]

Call me crazy, but until they confirm who Thrash is by his real name, I'm gonna hold out hope that it's Dwayne. For all we know, Dwayne could have altered his appearance to look like his brother.
Well, considering that he's using an image inducer as standard to pretend he's got no legs...

Otherwise, note the scene at the start of #3 - only being able to get a 65% DNA match puts it well in the realm of possibility that Bandit was the one who was mortally burned at Stamford, but whose costume protected him from instant death-by-shrapnel.

[Tobias Drake]

Would Stark fund the New Warriors? If he had the right reason. I could see him doing this as a means of providing competition for the Initiative; giving them an illegitimate rival they could run against, so that he could take them up and say "Look at how good those vigilante criminals are doing. They're making you guys look like fools. You need to push harder." Properly done, it could potentially inspire those within the Initiative to train harder, fight stronger, and overall push themselves to excell.

That said, however...I don't think he is. First, if Stark was going to do this, he'd do it right. For the New Warriors to be the rivals he would make them, they wouldn't be dealing with second-hand webshooters and the like; they would have the best engineering money can buy, possibly even Irontech level equipment (nothing that could be traced back to Stark enterprises, but higher-grade firepower than the faux superpowers they're throwing around now). I also have a hard time seeing him delegating something this major; if he was going to do it, I would think he'd want someone that he knows he can trus running the show, IF Tony Stark HIMSELF was not behind the mask. And he certainly wouldn't leave an envelope of incriminating evidence for the police to find; there is no gain for him in any way, shape, or form by doing so.

And finally, we know where Donyell got the money. That was brought up way back at the beginning. We know where he got his funding from, so the suggestion of Stark funding him is pointless except as a red herring to the police, to cause trouble for him and get the police off the trail. Two birds with one stone.

Though I could see him doing it, I can't see him doing it the way it's been done. There's just too much against it.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Would Stark fund the New Warriors? If he had the right reason. I could see him doing this as a means of providing competition for the Initiative; giving them an illegitimate rival they could run against, so that he could take them up and say "Look at how good those vigilante criminals are doing. They're making you guys look like fools. You need to push harder." Properly done, it could potentially inspire those within the Initiative to train harder, fight stronger, and overall push themselves to excell.

That said, however...I don't think he is. First, if Stark was going to do this, he'd do it right. For the New Warriors to be the rivals he would make them, they wouldn't be dealing with second-hand webshooters and the like; they would have the best engineering money can buy, possibly even Irontech level equipment (nothing that could be traced back to Stark enterprises, but higher-grade firepower than the faux superpowers they're throwing around now). I also have a hard time seeing him delegating something this major; if he was going to do it, I would think he'd want someone that he knows he can trus running the show, IF Tony Stark HIMSELF was not behind the mask. And he certainly wouldn't leave an envelope of incriminating evidence for the police to find; there is no gain for him in any way, shape, or form by doing so.

And finally, we know where Donyell got the money. That was brought up way back at the beginning. We know where he got his funding from, so the suggestion of Stark funding him is pointless except as a red herring to the police, to cause trouble for him and get the police off the trail. Two birds with one stone.

Though I could see him doing it, I can't see him doing it the way it's been done. There's just too much against it.

Agreed. I think it's just Thrash throwing out false leads.

Though I have to wonder, what's his angle? I can't see how implicating Stark would make things any easier on the Warriors. It certainly doesn't give Stark a reason to ignore the Warriors and actually encourages him to catch them, to prove that he's not really behind them.

Though that said, it would slow down the local cops considerably. They would distrust any Shield help and wouldn't share their investigation/info with Shield and I don't think either has the time and resources to really find the Warriors.

[Tobias Drake]

Agreed. I think it's just Thrash throwing out false leads.

Though I have to wonder, what's his angle? I can't see how implicating Stark would make things any easier on the Warriors. It certainly doesn't give Stark a reason to ignore the Warriors and actually encourages him to catch them, to prove that he's not really behind them.

Though that said, it would slow down the local cops considerably. They would distrust any Shield help and wouldn't share their investigation/info with Shield and I don't think either has the time and resources to really find the Warriors.

It would also throw them onto the wrong trail, keeping them off Donyell's trail (an important step, since he's the prime suspect for being Night Thrasher).

[Anna]

Or it could be that Dwane survived Stamford, reconciled with Donyell and the two of them are working together.

[mikekerr3]

Carols "Thats why I asked" was beautiful. Read my sons copy he decide to keep reading on his own money. When you are falsley accused of doing something that is in character its hard to get anyone to believe your innocence. She Does know him, she just doesn't trust him far.

[vitruvian]

Haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if this has already been cleared up, but I read the scene as Thrash throwing off the police investigation by making them think it was Tony funding the team.

That's how I read it too. Of course, the package apparently also had all the *other* dirt Urich had dug up on Stark in it, as well, and so far as we know *those* accusations are still all true. This could be trouble for Stark in more ways than just diverting attention from the NW's real funding source, since I don't see anything stopping the cops from ignoring Mr. Ben "Woodward and Bernstein were wrong" Urich's protestations and giving copies of the info to the press and the relevant federal agencies.

"Two agents from the SEC here to see you, Director Stark."

"Yes, what can I do for you gentlemen?"

"Well, sir, our office received this information from an anonymous source, and our forensic accountants have been able to confirm evidence pointing towards securities fraud on your part. We'll have to ask you to come with us."

"But, this is ridiculous! Don't you know I'm the director of SHIELD? Leader of the Avengers and the Initiative? I'm a futurist who took the steps necessary to avert disaster! I invented superhero accountability!"

"As we've heard you're fond of saying, Mr. Stark, the law is the law. One might think as a futurist, you would have been able to foresee this turn of events."

[mikekerr3]

That's how I read it too. Of course, the package apparently also had all the *other* dirt Urich had dug up on Stark in it, as well, and so far as we know *those* accusations are still all true. This could be trouble for Stark in more ways than just diverting attention from the NW's real funding source, since I don't see anything stopping the cops from ignoring Mr. Ben "Woodward and Bernstein were wrong" Urich's protestations and giving copies of the info to the press and the relevant federal agencies.

"Two agents from the SEC here to see you, Director Stark."

"Yes, what can I do for you gentlemen?"

"Well, sir, our office received this information from an anonymous source, and our forensic accountants have been able to confirm evidence pointing towards securities fraud on your part. We'll have to ask you to come with us."

"But, this is ridiculous! Don't you know I'm the director of SHIELD? Leader of the Avengers and the Initiative? I'm a futurist who took the steps necessary to avert disaster! I invented superhero accountability!"

"As we've heard you're fond of saying, Mr. Stark, the law is the law. One might think as a futurist, you would have been able to foresee this turn of events."

In the real world can you think of a futurist whose predictions were even close to right. A futurist is a guy with an agenda and something, usually a book, to sell. When I was 16 they were talking about the coming Ice age as an inevitablity. Read's room was way to small to figure all the variables for prediticing the future, tommorows weather forcast considerers more data and variables than he has room for. Human behavior is still called the X-factor for a reason, small things can change everything.

Abraham Lincoln credited a book for young adults as being a root cause of the outbreak of the US Civil War.

Where is my flying car?

[DarkCrisis]

I dont think Tony is funding them. It's a trick by Thrasher. I thought that seemed obvious at the end.

And Stacy X? Whaaaaaa. I dont see her wanting to be a superhero at all. Same with Angel.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I dont think Tony is funding them. It's a trick by Thrasher. I thought that seemed obvious at the end.

And Stacy X? Whaaaaaa. I dont see her wanting to be a superhero at all. Same with Angel.

I suspect that Stacy X is with the team as a means of support, not ideals. She depended on her powers for the longest time and now no longer has them.

Thrash probably grabbed her because she's among the most skilled depowered mutants he could find (she held her own against Wolverine) and is used to doing dangerous work for room and board.

[DarkCrisis]

She's used to whoring for room and board.

She whored cause she was scaley mutant whos power was to get people off.

Now shes attractive human woman who could probably find a nice job that doesnt involve getting shot at.

It just doesnt seem to be Stacy X to me.

As for Angel, I was glad to see a "normal" looking person for a change and now shes another model turned superhero. Not to mention Beak. What happened to his nose? Guess it wasn't "good-looking" enough.

and whos taking care of thier kids?

[The Cool Thatguy]

She's used to whoring for room and board.

She whored cause she was scaley mutant whos power was to get people off.

Now shes attractive human woman who could probably find a nice job that doesnt involve getting shot at.

It just doesnt seem to be Stacy X to me.

As for Angel, I was glad to see a "normal" looking person for a change and now shes another model turned superhero. Not to mention Beak. What happened to his nose? Guess it wasn't "good-looking" enough.

and whos taking care of thier kids?

Nice job? All she can put down on her past work history is 'was hooker for cash'. She never demonstrated any job skills or education background to support herself beyond menial jobs which she might not even want. I can't see her having an easy time suppoirting herself now that her powers are gone.

Agree about Angel and Beak, though. That's why I'm holding out hope that Thrash is really Dwayne. Ain't like anyone else is looking like their usual self in this book!

[DarkCrisis]

Heck even if she isnt trained for anything else I would think she'd have taken the 200k from Thrasher and bailed.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Heck even if she isnt trained for anything else I would think she'd have taken the 200k from Thrasher and bailed.

Warriors gives her a steady room and board, plus friends. And she's easily one of the most well trained members on the team, so she's not exactly in alot of danger.

[Somebody]

Heck even if she isnt trained for anything else I would think she'd have taken the 200k from Thrasher and bailed.
And how long would that last her? A few years if she's prudent, a few months if not... but either way, she's then back where she started.

[Granted, given the average lifespan of an MU team, she's being a bit genre-blind in not taking the money and running, but that's not the point :)]

[DarkCrisis]

Warriors gives her a steady room and board, plus friends. And she's easily one of the most well trained members on the team, so she's not exactly in alot of danger.


How is she more well trained then Jubilee, or heck Sophia?

Stacy pretty much followed the X-Men home, hung out and then left.

Jubes has had WAY more training and field time. In fact I can't believe shes not leading the team over New Thrasher, whos claim to fame is he's the Old Thrashers brother.

[Arilou]

Actu lly, NT's "inspiring speech" actually made me think Stark actually *is* behind it all.

Because it sounds almost exactly like something Gauntlet would say.

Think about it, he keeps the group under supervision, he gets a band of heroes that also serves as an "attraction" to everyone who is too annoyed with Stark to join the regular Initiative, but he still get sthem training, equipment and so on.

Reminds me of how Vetinari is responsible for most of the conspiracies against him :p

[The Cool Thatguy]

How is she more well trained then Jubilee, or heck Sophia?

Stacy pretty much followed the X-Men home, hung out and then left.

Jubes has had WAY more training and field time. In fact I can't believe shes not leading the team over New Thrasher, whos claim to fame is he's the Old Thrashers brother.

IIRC, Stacy X held off Wolverine in the silent X-Men issue. She had a background in martial arts before joining the team.

As for Jubes, she's clearly second in command, but it's Thrash who founded the team. Why wouldn't he be leading it?

*still holds out hope for Dwayne*

[Tobias Drake]

Actu lly, NT's "inspiring speech" actually made me think Stark actually *is* behind it all.

Because it sounds almost exactly like something Gauntlet would say.

Think about it, he keeps the group under supervision, he gets a band of heroes that also serves as an "attraction" to everyone who is too annoyed with Stark to join the regular Initiative, but he still get sthem training, equipment and so on.

Reminds me of how Vetinari is responsible for most of the conspiracies against him :p

I disagree. I'd just say he's a hardass. Though a case can be made for his sudden readiness to shut everything down as soon as something went wrong; he was just so quick to shut it all down and back off that it feels like he isn't really taking this seriously; like the cause isn't something he really believes in, just something he's doing offhand.

[Kefky]

Well, that's it, then, I give up on this book. The pacing's terrible, the dialog really, really sucks(Sophia's "moving" speech was unintentionally hilarious) and none of the characters here are acting like themselves.


Talk about ruining a great premise.

[Monty_Cristo]

How is she more well trained then Jubilee, or heck Sophia?

Stacy pretty much followed the X-Men home, hung out and then left.

Jubes has had WAY more training and field time. In fact I can't believe shes not leading the team over New Thrasher, whos claim to fame is he's the Old Thrashers brother.


i wish she would lead the team. because i hate Bandit with a passion.

[DeadXMan]

Well think of it htat he may have hated his brother, but he is still family. :o

That what Die Hard 3 was all about.

so morison's redneck and Austian's stacy X are back from limbo?
Joy

and Jubes Mono about We were X-men. We can handle death was cool

[Somebody]

Probably worth noting:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=4865299#post4865299
Guys!

All your comments are GREATLY appreciated! Paco, Axel, Dan K and I are all having a great time with the book!

That said, there is still some level of experimentation going on with a book such as this and trying to find cool situations and proper voices for these characters. We have some really cool things coming up in the future and hopefully people will stick around and enjoy the show.

If you guys have any further comments or questions please feel free and lets have some fun with it! I'll answer all that I can.

Take care!

KG
(I bolded the line, but otherwise the text is as-posted)

[ddqfpluskick]

Read it and...

I think a lot of things are symbolic in a way. I mean most people gripe about the cast being depowered muntants, but I think it fits. I mean the series is called 'New Warriors' and the ex-muntants fit the case. They have the will, but not the strength. That are all lost (rejected by muntant) but at the same time connect. Their problems have been simply forgotten by writer. These are the ones you need fighting. Justice, Rage, and others are split apart so much how is it possible to bring them together right now. Justice, Ultra-girl, Rage, and Slapstick might be able to form a team, but I think the division is too wide for any team to be made.

[mikekerr3]

She's used to whoring for room and board.

She whored cause she was scaley mutant whos power was to get people off.



That's not dagerous work? On which planet. Also the Population of the MU seems to be bigoted againt ex-mutants also if you read X-factor.

[Faded]

Probably worth noting:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=4865299#post4865299

(I bolded the line, but otherwise the text is as-posted)

AWWW...he seems nice.

I really don't know how to word a nice criticism. Don't get me wrong--there's a lot going right for the book, but when it comes Sofia and Angel I'm a little eccentric.

Thanks for the link!

[Shawn Carman]

i wish she would lead the team. because i hate Bandit with a passion.

I've never been a huge Bandit fan, but seeing as how he's the only thing in the ENTIRE BOOK that has ANYTHING to do with the real New Warriors, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

[seeso]

Uh... yeah. This book stinks.

[Orion101]

Hey I was just on Newsarama and the current writer of New Warriors has started answering some questions fans have about the new title. I will post a quote and a link for people to discuss and comment on hope this answers some of your concerns.Hey All!

Here are some of the answers to your questions:

1. As for why there are so many ex-mutants on the team, that's the way Marvel wanted it. They had a good amount of mutant characters who had just been de-powered and wanted to find a cool way to use them again instead of "sitting the bench". The New Warriors provided a perfect opportunity for that.

Now, I know a lot of folks don't like what they call "editorially driven" comics, but the editors are NOT the enemy. In fact, Joe, Axel and Daniel are the heroes of the book and have been supportive of what I've been doing. Guiding me along the way and giving me opportunities to do some cool things and some experimental things. Just like film and working with producers I know that working in comics is a collaborative process. And you know what? IT WORKS. Marvel might've chosen the direction or the characters, but it is up to ME to execute it. And if I'm not doing it well, or you guys disagree with what I've done, feel free to let me have it. That's what I'm here for.

2. As far as the pacing goes, we thought it best to build a slow mystery as to the identity of Night Thrasher and the other cast members, using Sofia as our POV character. We're taking a different approach with this series than the previous incarnations given the fact that the landscape of the Marvel universe is different now because of SHRA.

A lot of people don't like the decompressed storytelling endemic within the industry nowadays. Saying that everything is being written for the trade. But economically it works. Things might move slow, but we try to make the issues as live and as entertaining as possible. We will possibly have some shorter arcs coming up. In fact, the fill-in issues done by the very talented Jon Malin is a two-part arc. In issue 9, Paco Medina returns and we get into our second arc where there is more mystery surrounding Night Thrasher and what he really has planned.

3. As for seeing some old New Warriors and old New Warrior villains make appearances, we have to be careful about writing comics about "old comics". This series has to sink or swim on its own merits and find it's own audience. That said, I actually wanted to bring in Psionex for these next two issues, but we opted to use Silhouette and Midnight's Fire instead in a more personal story. Hopefully you guys will dig it. If not, let me know.

Another thing that I had to learn as a fan making the transition to pro is that you just can't use different Marvel characters just because you think it would be cool, or you think it makes perfect sense. I'm working in a "shared universe". That means that other cats are using different characters and I just can't use them without permission from the character's "home office". Most of the old New Warriors are in the Marvel Heroes office as a good deal of them are part of the Initiative. We can bring in old team members when we get a greenlight and/or if it fits into our plans, but not until. But don't worry. You'll be seeing at least four old members sooner than you think. :-)

4. Personally, I'm enjoying writing my dialogue. But it's also an experiment in writing hyper-realistic teenagers living on there own and trying to make a way for themselves out of no way. I like Grace, the hip hop white girl. She's corny, but that's the point. She's forcing herself to be something that she's not. And she originally adopted that attitude to survive. I'll be dealing with some of their backstories soon.

With Sofia, I really didn't want to write a Venezuelan accent. I felt that being in New York and living on her own, she would try to assimilate the best she could. This was a way for me to do it and have some fun.

As for the cops, Sykes and Givens, we'll see more of them again. I've known a lot of cops and I hear them talk similar to them at times.

Everything is a process and I like where it's taking me. Hopefully, people will be along for the ride. But please, don't stop talking. Keep the comments coming good or bad. I LOVE to hear it all!

KG The link is here http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139445&page=5&highlight=Warriors

[Somebody]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=4866486&postcount=108

Long post, so I'll pick out the one bit of it that relates to what a lot of people (me included) have been complaining about and direct you to click on the link:

With Sofia, I really didn't want to write a Venezuelan accent. I felt that being in New York and living on her own, she would try to assimilate the best she could. This was a way for me to do it and have some fun.

[Tobias Drake]

Now, I know a lot of folks don't like what they call "editorially driven" comics, but the editors are NOT the enemy. In fact, Joe, Axel and Daniel are the heroes of the book and have been supportive of what I've been doing. Guiding me along the way and giving me opportunities to do some cool things and some experimental things. Just like film and working with producers I know that working in comics is a collaborative process. And you know what? IT WORKS. Marvel might've chosen the direction or the characters, but it is up to ME to execute it. And if I'm not doing it well, or you guys disagree with what I've done, feel free to let me have it. That's what I'm here for.

I love this paragraph. Straczynski should take notes.

[jawbreaker]

for a book thats so editorially mandated youd think they would get some of the characters personalities right...unless as in the case with Sofia they purposefully wanted to change them for the new book. I could see how they felt that Stacy X, Beak & Angel in ther previous incarnations just werent very popular so they decided to "pretty them up" & bland out their personalities to make them "new reader friendly". Of course for the long time fans of those characters it completely sucks!

[Pach!]

I reread the first 6 issues. It's a lot better, it is very decompressed and art delays didn't help it. However the changing personalities don't really vary with reading them all together.

[CyberHubbs]

What was Sofia's personality beforehand and how is it different?

I always hear about this drastic change in character and I'm curious.

[Pach!]

What was Sofia's personality beforehand and how is it different?

I always hear about this drastic change in character and I'm curious.

Sofia just had a major vocabulary change. I'd say her personality is still fairly consistent. She's passionate about what she does, she get emotionally attached to new friends quickly and she was the heart of the new X-men, the glue that kept them together.

I personally don't think Old Sofia would have been all "junk in the trunk"

Likewise Jubilee is still pretty much the same. I think biggest changes for me are Angel and maybe Stacy X. They seem rather bland and tame compared to their old versions. The New X-men characters weren't really that developed aside from being drug-addicts and kinda mean.

I don't know about Beak sometimes I feel his personality is off and sometimes I feel like it's still beak. I feel he would have mentioned his kids more.


Physically however Angel,Beak and Stacy X could not look more different.

[CyberHubbs]

Sofia just had a major vocabulary change. I'd say her personality is still fairly consistent. She's passionate about what she does, she get emotionally attached to new friends quickly and she was the heart of the new X-men, the glue that kept them together.

I personally don't think Old Sofia would have been all "junk in the trunk"

Likewise Jubilee is still pretty much the same. I think biggest changes for me are Angel and maybe Stacy X. They seem rather bland and tame compared to their old versions. The New X-men characters weren't really that developed aside from being drug-addicts and kinda mean.

I don't know about Beak sometimes I feel his personality is off and sometimes I feel like it's still beak. I feel he would have mentioned his kids more.


Physically however Angel,Beak and Stacy X could not look more different.

I know I haven't kept up an' all, but I thought Angel was asian in NW. Her actual identity came as a total surprise.

What happened to Angel and Beak's kids?

[Tobias Drake]

What happened to Angel and Beak's kids?

They ran away to the abyss, where Peter Parker's daughter and Ultimate Wasp's nationality disappeared to. :p

Actually, Beak did mention that he didn't want to raise their children in Tony Stark's world.

[CyberHubbs]

They ran away to the abyss, where Peter Parker's daughter and Ultimate Wasp's nationality disappeared to. :p

Actually, Beak did mention that he didn't want to raise their children in Tony Stark's world.

I just imagine a filled bathtub and a lot of futile kicking and screaming.

"It's -- It's for the best..."

[Monty_Cristo]

Read it and...

I think a lot of things are symbolic in a way. I mean most people gripe about the cast being depowered muntants, but I think it fits. I mean the series is called 'New Warriors' and the ex-muntants fit the case.

that part didn't bother me. Dwayne's loser brother taking over did.

I've never been a huge Bandit fan, but seeing as how he's the only thing in the ENTIRE BOOK that has ANYTHING to do with the real New Warriors, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

would you if Night Thrasher had turned out to be Hindsight Lad? he has ties to the team.

[Yaw]

would you if Night Thrasher had turned out to be Hindsight Lad? he has ties to the team.

he also tried to conspired in the physical assault and harrasment of his fellow team members. Also if I can remember, he was a bit of a coward.

[Monty_Cristo]

he also tried to conspired in the physical assault and harrasment of his fellow team members. Also if I can remember, he was a bit of a coward.

Bandit tried to kill Night Thrasher and is a thief.

[Slumber Hulk]

I like that Bandit is the new Thrasher.
Questions:
How are they going to explain his absence and reappearance of legs?
Did he retain his powers after M-Day?
Was the car crash prior to M-Day?
If so, did M-Day remove his powers but restore his legs? (It work for Prof. X!)

[Monty_Cristo]

I like that Bandit is the new Thrasher.
Questions:
How are they going to explain his absence and reappearance of legs?
Did he retain his powers after M-Day?
Was the car crash prior to M-Day?
If so, did M-Day remove his powers but restore his legs? (It work for Prof. X!)

what car crash? his missing legs are a holographic projection. i don't know if he kept his powers. they weren't all that great to begin with.

[ExtraEpidermis]

A lot of people, on the newsarama boards at least, have been complaining that now that the full line up has been revealed that the problem isn't so much that it's a bunch of de-powered mutants but a bunch of de-powered B-Z list mutants. And I kinda agree but that was one of the big problems of the after math of M-Day is no one important or currently on a team got de-powered. Now a New Warriors consisting of Jubilee, Chamber, Stacy X, Beak, and Angel I think would be received better because of their level of exposure compared to the Omega Gang.

[XPac]

A lot of people, on the newsarama boards at least, have been complaining that now that the full line up has been revealed that the problem isn't so much that it's a bunch of de-powered mutants but a bunch of de-powered B-Z list mutants. And I kinda agree but that was one of the big problems of the after math of M-Day is no one important or currently on a team got de-powered. Now a New Warriors consisting of Jubilee, Chamber, Stacy X, Beak, and Angel I think would be received better because of their level of exposure compared to the Omega Gang.

You can have a good book with C listers though... it's just a matter of making them interesting.

The pre-Ellis TBolts was largely made up of C-Z list villains, and while it wasn't a huge commercial sucess it still was a pretty good book overall.

[ExtraEpidermis]

You can have a good book with C listers though... it's just a matter of making them interesting.

Oh I completely agree! Its just that C listers don't have the same drawing power that A listers would. I'm just happy Chamber and Jubilee are back in a book and not in limbo.

[Young Avenger]

So the X-Warriors was editorially mandated. They might not be the New Warriors I was expecting but it's a good thing they are being used. If they kept them in limbo I'm sure they would have been used as cannon folder on New X-Man.

[Vaal]

Ah, the filthy pawprints of the eds. I thought I saw them there, but couldn't be sure. Now I know why this title was so painfully OOC and unapealing. My only lament is that I paid money for five issues.

[Monty_Cristo]

it's Grevioux's book. i wish him the best. it's just not going to be something i can justify keeping on my pull-list. i don't like Donyell. he's missing everything that i identified with in Dwayne. i don't like Chamber's new look (not Grevioux's fault). and i can't identify w/ any of the others. it's really that simple.

[Sean Whitmore]

Just like film and working with producers I know that working in comics is a collaborative process. And you know what? IT WORKS.

Except when it doesn't.


SEAN

[Faded]

Sofia just had a major vocabulary change. I'd say her personality is still fairly consistent. She's passionate about what she does, she get emotionally attached to new friends quickly and she was the heart of the new X-men, the glue that kept them together.

I personally don't think Old Sofia would have been all "junk in the trunk"

Likewise Jubilee is still pretty much the same. I think biggest changes for me are Angel and maybe Stacy X. They seem rather bland and tame compared to their old versions. The New X-men characters weren't really that developed aside from being drug-addicts and kinda mean.

I don't know about Beak sometimes I feel his personality is off and sometimes I feel like it's still beak. I feel he would have mentioned his kids more.


I agree with this all!

Except Beak...he just seems to be brand new (and while he's not exactly an important character, the change kinda misses the point about the character).

[CMBMOOL]

So the X-Warriors was editorially mandated. They might not be the New Warriors I was expecting but it's a good thing they are being used. If they kept them in limbo I'm sure they would have been used as cannon folder on New X-Man.

Yes and it could be tough to create some new characters for the Marvel Universe in a Post Civil WAr world, so let us fans count our blessing for these former heroes are back in action. :D

[CyberHubbs]

That wasn't Luke Cage that appeared in the hospital. It was a black orderly. Jubes, but disguised as a human black male nurse.

[streator]

has chamber done much of anything?

he was supposedly an omega-level threat per his last appearance.

beyond that, has he said why he's in america? as a superhero? last i saw he wanted nothing to do with anyone. especially hero teams.

[ivesaidway2much]

Would Stark fund the New Warriors? If he had the right reason. I could see him doing this as a means of providing competition for the Initiative; giving them an illegitimate rival they could run against, so that he could take them up and say "Look at how good those vigilante criminals are doing. They're making you guys look like fools. You need to push harder." Properly done, it could potentially inspire those within the Initiative to train harder, fight stronger, and overall push themselves to excell.

That said, however...I don't think he is. First, if Stark was going to do this, he'd do it right. For the New Warriors to be the rivals he would make them, they wouldn't be dealing with second-hand webshooters and the like; they would have the best engineering money can buy, possibly even Irontech level equipment (nothing that could be traced back to Stark enterprises, but higher-grade firepower than the faux superpowers they're throwing around now). I also have a hard time seeing him delegating something this major; if he was going to do it, I would think he'd want someone that he knows he can trus running the show, IF Tony Stark HIMSELF was not behind the mask. And he certainly wouldn't leave an envelope of incriminating evidence for the police to find; there is no gain for him in any way, shape, or form by doing so.

And finally, we know where Donyell got the money. That was brought up way back at the beginning. We know where he got his funding from, so the suggestion of Stark funding him is pointless except as a red herring to the police, to cause trouble for him and get the police off the trail. Two birds with one stone.

Though I could see him doing it, I can't see him doing it the way it's been done. There's just too much against it.I'm no Iron Man fan or anything. But didn't he kill like 2 people during Stark Wars to prevent anyone else from getting their hands on his Iron Man tech?

[Stagier]

has chamber done much of anything?

he was supposedly an omega-level threat per his last appearance.

beyond that, has he said why he's in america? as a superhero? last i saw he wanted nothing to do with anyone. especially hero teams.



why is jono wearing a kilt? he's english

[FrogMan]

Who is this Kaz kid? Is he Whiz Kid from the old X-terminator's mini?

[Stagier]

no they've gone on record saying that kaz is just another asian with glasses. taki is elsewhere

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Who is this Kaz kid? Is he Whiz Kid from the old X-terminator's mini?

No indication that he OR Grace are anything, they are new characters. When ALL of the ex-Mutants introduced themselves to Sofia as their real names and former identities they were left out. Taki would be considerably older than Sofia, Beak, or Angel, and at least the same age as Jubilee. He was also paralyzed and in a wheel chair. I don't know if he is depowered or not, but he isn't any more in the running for Kaz than Moira Brandon, the dead honorary Avenger born in the early 1900's is for Grace, because they are both blonde white chicks, and Moira was at one time also young.

[jawbreaker]

has chamber done much of anything?

he was supposedly an omega-level threat per his last appearance.

beyond that, has he said why he's in america? as a superhero? last i saw he wanted nothing to do with anyone. especially hero teams.

he's done nothing but hang around in the background & yell "mate" a couple times. He hasnt had any significant interaction with Jubes either...

[Monty_Cristo]

he's done nothing but hang around in the background & yell "mate" a couple times. He hasnt had any significant interaction with Jubes either...

maybe he's a skrull.

[leebrown1990]

Lots of people I know complained about the quality of this book, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and for the most port enjoyed the earlier issues. But this issue really is making me reconsider having this on my pull list. Not saying it was a bad issue, but some of the writing was cringe worthy. If your going to use new slang speak, either use it seriously, or mock it in its entirety. Not a mixture of both, for me it just makes it seem like an old man trying to act young wrote it. On the other side of the scale, they finally completely revealed all the characters, except the big one NT. Instead they just added more questions. Thats all well and good, but the answer will have to be something great when its revealed and there has to be something to keep me reading in the mean time. Because other than Tina this issue had nothing of the sort.

One thing I've always thought about this book, rather than just having C list mutants, who even if still were powered aren't completely ruled by the MRA. Just have people who have made a new team to fight the MRA, but changed there super human identities or had there abilities confiscated In some way by shield. I think that could make for some good back story for old characters and the principal for new ones.But I suppose that might make it to similar to the new avengers or another anti reg team or whatever.

[Karthak]

This issue was better than I expected. I'll keep it on my pull list. Secondly, I'm amazed that some people can't spot the perfectly obvious, such as that chef joking when he called Jubilee in disguise "Luke Cage", and Stark supposedly funding the NW. Come on! It was ridiculously easy to see that it was Night Thrasher who tricked those cops.:p

[Volk1]

Stacy X? WTF!

I thought it was going to be PREVIEW! Dammit. ##$$%%$#@#

##$%^&^%$#



I might have to drop this. The only thing that saved it was Bandit cuz I like him and I want to know what the f#$% he's up to.

But dammit, how in the world is that Stacy X? They've showed her depowered haven't they, and she still has scales.

How is that not PREVIEW!?

:evilangry




Maybe it's a good thing she's not in this book though.


Skybolt kinda grew on me this issue.

*SIGH*

[Orion101]

Just came up to say that Kevin has showed up again at Newsarama boards and answerd more questions about the book and what will happen in the future.
MORE ANSWERS, GUYS! I hope this clears some more things up!

1. Kaz, as well as Grace are NEW characters. They have interesting backstories that we will be exploring soon.

2. The Zodiac is indeed coming back. We'll find out exactly what they were looking for when they tangled with the Initiative and the New Warriors.

3. Jubilee WILL be using more of her fighting acrobatic skills, but she has a new power set now. So it's a matter of her weaving together her natural abilities with the tech she has.

4. Jono is a powerful character as we will be seeing over the course of the next few months, but remember, Thrash and Jubilee are the leaders of the team. He will defer to them for the most part.

5. As far as us finding out why Donyell became the new Night Thrasher, all, or I should say MOST, will be revealed in issue #7.

6. We have talked about crossovers with other teenaged groups, but nothing has been decided yet.

7. As for when Tony Stark's insidious dealings will be made public, that's not for me to decide. If they are, it will probably be in the IRON MAN book.

Take care!

KG The link is here. http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139445&page=6&highlight=Warriors
So I guess puts the is Kaz Wiz Kid debate to rest, any opinions?

[Alan2099]

A lot of people don't like the decompressed storytelling endemic within the industry nowadays. Saying that everything is being written for the trade. But economically it works.
Anybody that tries to defend writing for the trade loses any support I might have had for them.

[Tobias Drake]

Anybody that tries to defend writing for the trade loses any support I might have had for them.

What about writing for the Omnibus? :p

[Alan2099]

What about writing for the Omnibus? :p

Dave Sim is crazy and has nobody's support. ;)

[jawbreaker]

Jono is a powerful character as we will be seeing over the course of the next few months, but remember, Thrash and Jubilee are the leaders of the team. He will defer to them for the most part.

Im confused... is this his way of saying theyre going to act like they never knew each other as part of Gen X before?:confused: b/c thats what my question was about & I have yet to really get an answer. I just want some Jono-Jubes "remember the old days" interaction dammit! :(

[jawbreaker]

^ a lot of us were expecting Preview. It made a lot more sense than Stacy X. I like Stacy X but this cute gum chewing lil girl is NOT Stacy X!

[The Cool Thatguy]

Anybody that tries to defend writing for the trade loses any support I might have had for them.

And those guys who don't write stories with consideration for the trade, how do you feel about them?

Wait, they don't exist! :D

Honestly, I think Kevin G's been doing a pretty good job given all the directives he's been given and I think he deserves credit for taking flak for what editors have decided. Why were JMS, Hudlin and other 'famous' Hollywood writers given free reign and Kevin G hasn't, I've no idea.

[Tobias March]

And those guys who don't write stories with consideration for the trade, how do you feel about them?

Wait, they don't exist! :D

Honestly, I think Kevin G's been doing a pretty good job given all the directives he's been given and I think he deserves credit for taking flak for what editors have decided. Why were JMS, Hudlin and other 'famous' Hollywood writers given free reign and Kevin G hasn't, I've no idea.

Um.....Underworld?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Um.....Underworld?

It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either. And honestly, I think more people have seen Underworld than anything JMS or Hudlin have done personally, both of whom are given an amazing amount of creative freedom.

[The Cool Thatguy]

^ a lot of us were expecting Preview. It made a lot more sense than Stacy X. I like Stacy X but this cute gum chewing lil girl is NOT Stacy X!

Stacy X was unexpected but why did everyone expect Preview? I barely ever heard of the character.

[Sean Whitmore]

And those guys who don't write stories with consideration for the trade, how do you feel about them?

Wait, they don't exist! :D

Sure they do. It's just that they're all working on good books.


SEAN

[Josef F.]

maybe he's a skrull.

Oh totally.
The real Chamber's off chilling With En Sabah And Ozymandias And the rest of the Clan.

In NW, his eyes aren't red.

He apparently changed to an Omega level mutant
And he's flitting about in a group of depowered mutants who rely on technology.

IT doesn't add up.
He's Chamberskrullalypse

:D

[Anna]

Stacy X was unexpected but why did everyone expect Preview? I barely ever heard of the character.


Preview looks exactly like Ripcord, is a depowered mutant, and was said to have survived the New X-Men bus attack.

[Faded]

Oh totally.
The real Chamber's off chilling With En Sabah And Ozymandias And the rest of the Clan.

In NW, his eyes aren't red.

He apparently changed to an Omega level mutant
And he's flitting about in a group of depowered mutants who rely on technology.

IT doesn't add up.
He's Chamberskrullalypse

:D

I'd much prefer the real Chamber still in a hospital bed than having anything to do with Apocalypse.

Having him related to the blue guy is such an As the World Turns move.

[Josef F.]

I'd much prefer the real Chamber still in a hospital bed than having anything to do with Apocalypse.

Having him related to the blue guy is such an As the World Turns move.

But on the other hand.
It means he's out of limbo.

But i agree.
The apocalypse relation thing has had NO ramifications.
Not a one.

Why do it, If you weren't going anywhere with it
=/

[Monty_Cristo]

Oh totally.
The real Chamber's off chilling With En Sabah And Ozymandias And the rest of the Clan.

In NW, his eyes aren't red.

He apparently changed to an Omega level mutant
And he's flitting about in a group of depowered mutants who rely on technology.

IT doesn't add up.
He's Chamberskrullalypse

:D


and this would be the second time some villain impersonated him (see: Runaways).

[mikekerr3]

That sounds kinda weak. I dont see how Tony, being as smart and savvy as he is, can be talked down to like that. No offense, but those detectives are small fries in the Marvel U and how they're going up against Tony now is a bit ridiculous. I don't like these stories where the "regular folk" get all righteous and start mouthing off to the superheroes. It reminds me of Sally's myspace rant in a sense and that was no good. And judging by the character reveals, it seems like this New Warriors team should really be called the ex-X-Men

They had all the leverage in the sitiation. They were cops they were doing their jobs. There was a witness present. What could he do? Attack them? Try pulling that "I'm too important" stuff with a NY cop and you end up in a cell. MS. Marvel follows the Law and would have had to back up the cops to stay in "hero" mode.

I think Tony is a villain but he's not bad enough to start killing cops.

These are smart cops, do you think he could have stopped the data from going puplic is they wanted it public?

[Tobias March]

It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either. And honestly, I think more people have seen Underworld than anything JMS or Hudlin have done personally, both of whom are given an amazing amount of creative freedom.

In fairness, I think Babylon 5 and yes even House Party had more impact than Underworld....what is that film other than Kate Beckinsale in PVC?

[jawbreaker]

^sweaty Scott Speedman shirtless covered in black bodypaint? mmmm...

[Siddon]

Underworld was a pretty good B movie. Anyways I am happy that New Warriors is written for trades because thats how I plan to read it.

[Anna]

Just came up to say that Kevin has showed up again at Newsarama boards and answerd more questions about the book and what will happen in the future.
The link is here. http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139445&page=6&highlight=Warriors
So I guess puts the is Kaz Wiz Kid debate to rest, any opinions?

Glad to have it clarified, as well as Donyell's status.

Personally, this is rapidly becoming my favorite book. For you naysayers; I'd rather see a new spin on the characters than having them gone forever.

[The Ray]

Don't care about Morrison's New X-Men. Don't care about the old New Warriors.

Liked the title anyhow. Amazing!

[Anna]

PM me for next week's spoilers.

[Faded]

PM me for next week's spoilers.

I just want to know...did my bald Sofia look pretty?

[Anna]

I just want to know...did my bald Sofia look pretty?


Of course.

[Brett P]

Late as always but...

STACY.F*&^ING.X.?!!!

I can't put into words my feelings on this matter, it's almost enough to make me drop the book and tear up all my copies so far. Of all the changes made to characters appearances and/or personalities in this book, this has got to be the worst one yet hands down!!

Stacy X is NOT a teenager! She was a grown woman who worked at a f&*%ing mutant brothel! She had short brown hair! And she wasn't white!! And if there was one thing she really and truly wasn't - she WAS NOT a super hero!!

Her inclusion is the SUCKIEST thing yet! It almost beggars belief!

I honestly don't feel I can read it anymore after this latest reveal. It makes my skin crawl. It makes me feel like screaming that they would get it SO.WRONG. I don't know why this bothers me so much, it's not like I was a fan of Stacy X. But this whole book just feels like such a shambles. Virtually every character is unrecognisable.

And to top it all off, Sofia called Jubes-Cage "Dude". DUDE?! The final nail in the sweet, affected speech of the Sofia I knew and loved. Why did they have to give her this style of speech when that's already Jubilees trademark? Sofia is beyond RUINED!

Oh, oh! And Skybolt tells Sofia she knew him as "Redneck" at the school...but the Omega Gang Riot happened BEFORE Sofia ever went to the Xavier Institute (as shown in the Wallflower/Wolfsbane flashback issue of New Mutans vol 2), meaning that Radian, Redneck and Tatoo were off doing their community service by the time Sofia arrived there and would have never even met her.

Plus I hate how Jubilee keeps saying they were all X-Men for years! Only her and Chamber ever served time with the X-Men - the rest were just students at the institute for a couple of years max! Except for Stacy X who hung around for a while not doing much, tried to seduce Nightcrawler, insulted Husk and left Angel a video tape of her skipping rope naked. And now here she is with random new-found agility and fighting skills.

The book has potential...but there are just far too many mistakes/changes/overlooked details. Just...too many. Yet I can't abandon the book because of my loyalty to Jubilee. Atleast she has been pretty cool so far. I just wish they'd given her powers more reminiscent of her plasmoids.

[Sean Whitmore]

Late as always but...

STACY.F*&^ING.X.?!!!

I can't put into words my feelings on this matter, it's almost enough to make me drop the book and tear up all my copies so far. Of all the changes made to characters appearances and/or personalities in this book, this has got to be the worst one yet hands down!!

Stacy X is NOT a teenager! She was a grown woman who worked at a f&*%ing mutant brothel! She had short brown hair! And she wasn't white!! And if there was one thing she really and truly wasn't - she WAS NOT a super hero!!

Her inclusion is the SUCKIEST thing yet! It almost beggars belief!

I honestly don't feel I can read it anymore after this latest reveal. It makes my skin crawl. It makes me feel like screaming that they would get it SO.WRONG. I don't know why this bothers me so much, it's not like I was a fan of Stacy X. But this whole book just feels like such a shambles. Virtually every character is unrecognisable.

And to top it all off, Sofia called Jubes-Cage "Dude". DUDE?! The final nail in the sweet, affected speech of the Sofia I knew and loved. Why did they have to give her this style of speech when that's already Jubilees trademark? Sofia is beyond RUINED!

Oh, oh! And Skybolt tells Sofia she knew him as "Redneck" at the school...but the Omega Gang Riot happened BEFORE Sofia ever went to the Xavier Institute (as shown in the Wallflower/Wolfsbane flashback issue of New Mutans vol 2), meaning that Radian, Redneck and Tatoo were off doing their community service by the time Sofia arrived there and would have never even met her.

Plus I hate how Jubilee keeps saying they were all X-Men for years! Only her and Chamber ever served time with the X-Men - the rest were just students at the institute for a couple of years max! Except for Stacy X who hung around for a while not doing much, tried to seduce Nightcrawler, insulted Husk and left Angel a video tape of her skipping rope naked. And now here she is with random new-found agility and fighting skills.

The book has potential...but there are just far too many mistakes/changes/overlooked details. Just...too many. Yet I can't abandon the book because of my loyalty to Jubilee. Atleast she has been pretty cool so far. I just wish they'd given her powers more reminiscent of her plasmoids.


"He only hits me because he loves me."

:)


SEAN

[Brett P]

Funny enough, this IS the only book aside from New X-Men that I feel strongly enough about to participate in its thread each time a new issue comes out...