Strange Love

[Monty_Cristo]

no, this isn't a thread about Shortpack, Bendis, or Ant-Man. i'm just highlighting some of the more prominent examples of unrequited love and obsession(s) between marvel characters. who are Marvel's creepiest lovesick weirdos?
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tip: if this character would sound perfectly natural saying, "If i can't have you, nobody will!" -- they probably meet the thread qualifications


examples:

Whirlwind - Dave Cannon is well known for his infatuation with the Wasp; having taken to raping and murdering call-girls dressed like her

Living Laser - Arthur Parks, before he became a being of living light, was best known for turning to villainy to impress a girl who had rejected him (because she was a golddigger). not soon after, Janet Van Dyne (friend of said-golddigger) became the object of that creepy affection.

Yellowjacket - Henry Pym was so obsessed with banging the Wasp, that he formed a completely new personality to murder himself and romance her at gunpoint.

Moonstone - Lloyd Bloch became the stalker of the woman who stole his powers (Karla Sofen).

Kathy Dare - her attraction to Tony Stark ended with her shooting him in the back and taking her own life; on live television.


who are some others you can think of?

[DaeJi]

Wouldn't Bendis and Luke Cage count? :p Also, Moondragon chased Quasar (Wendell) around for a bit, though it wasn't all that creepy or obsessive.

[Pwood]

The Vision always seemed pretty attached to Scarlet Witch. That's primarily due to his programming I suppose, but still fairly obsessed nonetheless...

[Monty_Cristo]

Wouldn't Bendis and Luke Cage count :p

no, but nice try. i'm only talking about denizens of the Marvel Universe for now. ;)

The Vision always seemed pretty attached to Scarlet Witch. That's primarily due to his programming I suppose, but still fairly obsessed nonetheless...

hmmm. that one's iffy. i couldn't imagine him going the murder-suicide route with Wanda. i think he'd step aside if she were really in love with someone else. i'm talking more about the unhealthy one-sided relationships.

[DaeJi]

Thanos and Death. He killed half the universe to bang her.

[Expletive Deleted]

Also, Moondragon chased Quasar (Wendell) around for a bit, though it wasn't all that creepy or obsessive.Kismet was waaaaaay creepier.

[Monty_Cristo]

Thanos and Death. He killed half the universe to bang her.

that counts. Thanos has gone way way out of his way for that ****tease. i'm nominating Quicksilver because he's one of the more possessive superheroes around.

[DaeJi]

Kismet was waaaaaay creepier.

Yeah, but I don't know her story as well, only from the odd issues of Quasar I read.

I also think there was a story with the Black Panther where someone kidnapped his mother and raped her repeatedly in an attempt to get her to love him. And Namor and Sue Richards is a classic.

[Monty_Cristo]

ooo ooo, here's one. Black Tom Cassidy. they guy's basically let unrequited love twist him into a villain. he was so obsessed with Maeve Rourke (Banshee's deceased wife) that he kidnapped and raised her daughter.

another would be Mystique. Raven has been willingly to kill complete strangers simply because she considers Rogue to be her 'property.'

[sinjection]

Yeah, but I don't know her story as well, only from the odd issues of Quasar I read.

I also think there was a story with the Black Panther where someone kidnapped his mother and raped her repeatedly in an attempt to get her to love him. And Namor and Sue Richards is a classic.

Anton Pretorious was his name. He abducted, imprisoned and raped Ramonda for years, sending pictures of himself doing so to King T'Chaka in an attempt to make the King believe Ramonda had run off with another man. "Panther's Quest" was the sick story. That's as sick as it gets. Thank goodness Hudlin has seemingly retconned that disturbing tale out of existence.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Monty_Cristo]

that reminds me...Namor's crush on Sue Richards is kind of inappropriate (not as inappropriate as Johnny's crush, though).

[DaeJi]

Ultimate Wolverine once tried to kill Cyclops so that he could score Jean on the rebound. That's pretty twisted.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ultimate Wolverine once tried to kill Cyclops so that he could score Jean on the rebound. That's pretty twisted.

reading Ultimate titles is twisted. :p j/k

[Mississippienne]

Damn, this many comments and nobody's mentioned Ultron's Oedipal obsession with Wasp? Poor Wasp. She attracts crazies.

Namor isn't so much "If I can't have you, no one will!" as he's "look, that douchebag you married simply isn't worthy of you. Run away with me and be my queen." Or, alternatively: "Why are you not begging me to pleasure you?"

[Laughing Mask]

i didn't know so many bad guys wanted to get with the wasp.

[BeastieRunner]

Everyone wants to tap that.

I'd hit that.

Does that make me a villain!?

[Mississippienne]

Everyone wants to tap that.

I'd hit that.

Does that make me a villain!?

In the MU, yes. Wasp's lovers/wannabee lovers include:

1. Hank Pym. His crazy is like whoa.
2. Paladin. If he isn't a villain, he's at least morally grey.
3. Whirlwind.
4. Living Laser.
5. ULTRON! Holy Oedipal Complex, Batman!

[Hatut Zeraze]

i didn't know so many bad guys wanted to get with the wasp.

I'm struck by a vision! (No, dummy, not THE Vision,.....A vision!)

The Wasp stars in her own ongoing series: "Everybody wants to do Janet."

Every issue, the Wasp fights off another villain who wants to put the make on her. For the first issue attention-grabber, she is stalked by Swarm. The notion of him getting affectionate is uber-creepy, and therefore, a mega-selling comic.

[marshal99]

In the MU, yes. Wasp's lovers/wannabee lovers include:

1. Hank Pym. His crazy is like whoa.
2. Paladin. If he isn't a villain, he's at least morally grey.
3. Whirlwind.
4. Living Laser.
5. ULTRON! Holy Oedipal Complex, Batman!

That sleeze Tony Stark tried to make a move for Jan when Hank was in Jail.

The Vision always seemed pretty attached to Scarlet Witch. That's primarily due to his programming I suppose, but still fairly obsessed nonetheless...

Probably due to the Simon Williams brainwave patterns that was programmed into vision. Simon & Vision always had similiar tastes due to that.

[StoneGold]

Doom turned his ex's skin into leather flesh armor.

[sinjection]

I'm not sure you'd call this "love", but "alternate universe" Deathbird became so obsessed if you will, with Bishop that she convinced him he was paralyzed by an injury he'd sustained so that he would have to remain with her. Later, Bishop discovered that Deathbird had her scientists put him in some kind of "stasis field" that mimicked paralysis.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[TotalWorldDomination]

I'm not sure you'd call this "love", but "alternate universe" Deathbird became so obsessed if you will, with Bishop that she convinced him he was paralyzed by an injury he'd sustained so that he would have to remain with her. Later, Bishop discovered that Deathbird had her scientists put him in some kind of "stasis field" that mimicked paralysis.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X
And lets not forget Deathbird's current husband, the 15 year old Vulcan. Now THAT is a weird relationship. He's a quarter of your age (though physicaly he's a fully matured adult), he killed your brother, and he's clearly a psychopath, but the ****ing is good so you stick around.

[sinjection]

And lets not forget Deathbird's current husband, the 15 year old Vulcan. Now THAT is a weird relationship. He's a quarter of your age (though physicaly he's a fully matured adult), he killed your brother, and he's clearly a psychopath, but the ****ing is good so you stick around.

And some people scoff at a Cecilia Reyes/Nezhno hookup....

I would have no idea of what the conjugal boudoir relationship is like between that odd couple, nor would I care to make that discovery. However, knowing the "sex-men" and their writers, it probably won't be made a secret.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[TotalWorldDomination]

And some people scoff at a Cecilia Reyes/Nezhno hookup....

I would have no idea of what the conjugal boudoir relationship is like between that odd couple, nor would I care to make that discovery. However, knowing the "sex-men" and their writers, it probably won't be made a secret.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X
To be fair, I don't think deathbird knows he's 15, but that dosn't make it any less creepy. As for there relations there's a lovely issue of Uncanny where they do nothing but screw around for a few weeks while waiting to find the planet D'Ken is on. Yes, it's that creepy.

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm not sure you'd call this "love", but "alternate universe" Deathbird became so obsessed if you will, with Bishop that she convinced him he was paralyzed by an injury he'd sustained so that he would have to remain with her. Later, Bishop discovered that Deathbird had her scientists put him in some kind of "stasis field" that mimicked paralysis.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

yeah, then she definately counts. same with Viper and her weird marriage to Wolverine.

i didn't know so many bad guys wanted to get with the wasp.

she's single, good-looking, not disease-ridden like Tigra, can change sizes, and rich. i don't blame them. :D

[overcomebyfumes]

In the MU, yes. Wasp's lovers/wannabee lovers include:

1. Hank Pym. His crazy is like whoa.
2. Paladin. If he isn't a villain, he's at least morally grey.
3. Whirlwind.
4. Living Laser.
5. ULTRON! Holy Oedipal Complex, Batman!

Didn't the Wasp and Hawkeye also have a one-night fling? I seem to remember that from somewhere.

pax.

[overcomebyfumes]

Doom turned his ex's skin into leather flesh armor.

I always thought Victor's obsession with his dead mother was a little on the disturbing side.

...and his obsession with Reed Richards, come to think of it now. Brrrrr-rrr. there's a mental image I wish I hadn't thunk.

pax.

[Mississippienne]

I always thought Victor's obsession with his dead mother was a little on the disturbing side.

...and his obsession with Reed Richards, come to think of it now. Brrrrr-rrr. there's a mental image I wish I hadn't thunk.

As far as subtext goes, Doom/Reed has NOTHING on Doom/Namor. NOTHING.

Didn't the Wasp and Hawkeye also have a one-night fling?

Yeah, but I was mostly including guys on the crazy/evil scale.

[Monty_Cristo]

Doom/Namor? :confused:

[Mississippienne]

Doom/Namor? :confused:

All the Doom/Namor subtext could be a thread of its own, but here's a brief rundown.

Emperor Doom (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4431289.html#cutid1)-- Doom enslaves Namor by giving him a giant purple diamond necklace. He then keeps Namor as his personal bodyguard/slave. Fortunately, the Avengers wreck Doom's plans and free Namor from his evil bling.

In the Submariner (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4052729.html#cutid1) series, Doom proposes to make Namor his queen--er, ally so they can rule the world together. We discover that Doom fantasizes about having the FF shackled and helpless, while Namor rules at his side. When Namor refuses, Doom sic's his tentacle weapon on him.

A standard Super-Villain Team-Up plot had Doom clamping some sort of mind-control collar on Namor to make him Doom's fawning slave. In this particular story arc (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4593229.html#cutid1), Attuma and Tiger Shark have jumped Namor, so Doom shows up to save the day. He kidnaps Namor and tries to make him his ally -- "Victor Von Doom will not tolerate rejection!" Namor throws down with him, and they wail on each other, all while Doom is shouting about how Namor will "kneel before the might of Doctor Doom!" and "Come, Prince of Atlantis! Face he who is your master! Face Doom and kneel, Namor!

The S&M sub/dom subtext between them is so thick you could choke on it. There's something about Namor that just drives Doom crazy, makes him want to have Namor chained and subservient to his will. He doesn't act like this with anyone else (even with "accursed Richards" he just wants to show up Reed once and for all, not rule the world hand-in-hand with him). Namor's like the male Wonder Woman, though. Everyone wants to chain him up and break his spirit.

Of course, from time to time, Doctor Doom will weary of conquering the world and making Namor his fawning slave. Instead, he'll conquer the world and make Magneto his fawning slave (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4220650.html#cutid1). Y'know, to spice things up a bit.

[Monty_Cristo]

All the Doom/Namor subtext could be a thread of its own, but here's a brief rundown.

Emperor Doom (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4431289.html#cutid1)-- Doom enslaves Namor by giving him a giant purple diamond necklace. He then keeps Namor as his personal bodyguard/slave. Fortunately, the Avengers wreck Doom's plans and free Namor from his evil bling.

In the Submariner (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4052729.html#cutid1) series, Doom proposes to make Namor his queen--er, ally so they can rule the world together. We discover that Doom fantasizes about having the FF shackled and helpless, while Namor rules at his side. When Namor refuses, Doom sic's his tentacle weapon on him.

A standard Super-Villain Team-Up plot had Doom clamping some sort of mind-control collar on Namor to make him Doom's fawning slave. In this particular story arc (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4593229.html#cutid1), Attuma and Tiger Shark have jumped Namor, so Doom shows up to save the day. He kidnaps Namor and tries to make him his ally -- "Victor Von Doom will not tolerate rejection!" Namor throws down with him, and they wail on each other, all while Doom is shouting about how Namor will "kneel before the might of Doctor Doom!" and "Come, Prince of Atlantis! Face he who is your master! Face Doom and kneel, Namor!

The S&M sub/dom subtext between them is so thick you could choke on it. There's something about Namor that just drives Doom crazy, makes him want to have Namor chained and subservient to his will. He doesn't act like this with anyone else (even with "accursed Richards" he just wants to show up Reed once and for all, not rule the world hand-in-hand with him). Namor's like the male Wonder Woman, though. Everyone wants to chain him up and break his spirit.

Of course, from time to time, Doctor Doom will weary of conquering the world and making Namor his fawning slave. Instead, he'll conquer the world and make Magneto his fawning slave (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4220650.html#cutid1). Y'know, to spice things up a bit.

yeah, but Doom has done the same thing to Magneto; at one point. i think it's just how he relates to other guys.

[Mississippienne]

yeah, but Doom has done the same thing to Magneto; at one point. i think it's just how he relates to other guys.

I linked to scans of that story. Note that Doom never offers to make Magneto his ally or share power with him, he's just bored and wants to play with somebody. He tries again and again to get Namor to be his ally or even friend. It's telling that in Doom's fantasy about conquering the world, he doesn't fantasize about a harem of beautiful superwomen, but... Namor ruling at his side. Damn, Doom. You are so MESSED UP.

The Doctor Doom Unhealthy Obsession Scale seems to be like so:

First: Accursed Richards.
Second: Namor.
Distant Third: Magneto.

Everyone else is just a minor annoyance or doesn't even rate a mention. The only thing these three people have in common is that they're all very powerful, confident men. It says something about Doom's twisted psyche that he has this compulsion to dominate very powerful men. What it says, I don't dare speculate, but it says something.

[StarLord88]

Just want to throw out Purple Man. I mean Killgrave is all around messed up

[sinjection]

To be fair, I don't think deathbird knows he's 15, but that dosn't make it any less creepy. As for there relations there's a lovely issue of Uncanny where they do nothing but screw around for a few weeks while waiting to find the planet D'Ken is on. Yes, it's that creepy.

It isn't so much about Deathbird not knowing Vulcan's age. Brubaker - he is the writer responsible for this story of what certainly appears to me, a statutory rape isn't he? - knew that Vulcan was 15.

I'm not surprised that the creepy element has made its way into what was a crappy story to begin with. Yes, I did purchase two or three copies of the book because I liked the artwork. No, I didn't like the story. And like so many others, when I first beheld Darwin, I had NO IDEA he was of black American/Puerto Rican heritage.

D-Ken is no saint either. If I remember correctly, he might have molested Corsair's wife (Vulcan's mother), before killing her. I thought D-Ken was already dead. If Vulcan killed him, then that must have been the best part of a terrible story.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

It isn't so much about Deathbird not knowing Vulcan's age. Brubaker - he is the writer responsible for this story of what certainly appears to me, a statutory rape isn't he? - knew that Vulcan was 15.


Yeah, he doesn't shy away from stuff like that. Creepy is good reading, and fitting for villainous characters. Although, Rise and Fall.. wasn't really that good; I mean, it wasn't bad, it was just kinda... mediocre.

[sinjection]

Yeah, he doesn't shy away from stuff like that. Creepy is good reading, and fitting for villainous characters. Although, Rise and Fall.. wasn't really that good; I mean, it wasn't bad, it was just kinda... mediocre.

I'm betting he would have shied away from it had the principles been Cecilia Reyes and Nezhno.

The more I read of Bendis and Brubaker, the more I'm convinced that Hudlin and McDuffie are just as good if not better than they are.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

I'm betting he would have shied away from it had the principles been Cecilia Reyes and Nezhno.

The more I read of Bendis and Brubaker, the more I'm convinced that Hudlin and McDuffie are just as good if not better than they are.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

McDuffie is probably as good as Bendis, Hudlin is probably lower than Judd Winnick on the totem pole, and Brubaker is better than all of them. But away from that...

Lop-sided, creepy romances work well for villains because we are supposed to root against them and find them creepy and unnatural. Heroes, however, are supposed to be rooted for and not have lop-sided and creepy romances. Hence, why it works for Vulcan and Deathbird, but wouldn't work as well for Nez and Reyes. Plus, they have nothing in common. Friends, maybe, lovers, no.

[sinjection]

McDuffie is probably as good as Bendis, Hudlin is probably lower than Judd Winnick on the totem pole, and Brubaker is better than all of them. But away from that...

Lop-sided, creepy romances work well for villains because we are supposed to root against them and find them creepy and unnatural. Heroes, however, are supposed to be rooted for and not have lop-sided and creepy romances. Hence, why it works for Vulcan and Deathbird, but wouldn't work as well for Nez and Reyes. Plus, they have nothing in common. Friends, maybe, lovers, no.

Lots of characters have nothing in common with each other until some writer invents that "something" for them to have in common. And what are lovers before they become lovers? They're usually friends first are they not?

I'd rather see Cecilia with a brother of her generation anyway. The Deathbird/Vulcan thing reminded me of the Cecilia/Nezhno pairing I'd suggested some time ago, because of the age difference thing. Again - villain or not - what seems "good" for some characters isn't good for others.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

. Again - villain or not - what seems "good" for some characters isn't good for others.


NOW you're getting it.

[overcomebyfumes]

Stardust killed his entire race out of his love for Galactus. That's a level of obsession that's so extreme as to be unique.

Speaking of Galactus, has the big G ever expressed affection for or fallen in love with another person/entity? Has this guy never, in the last 12 billion years, hooked up? How about a "Galactus falls in love" story arc, Marvel? Let Galactus get some!

One last thing - I've finally gotten to read some of the old Silver Age stuff, thanks to the Marvel Masterworks. Stan Lee's obsession with sticky white fliud is ... unsettleling. You've got Spider-Man's web-shooters, naturally. Then there's Paste-Pot Pete, Baron Zemo's unfortunate forays into adhesive technology, the very first Masters of Evil's master plan to conquer the earth by covering the cities in glue... every comic hero that Stan Lee wrote had some sort of glue-based villian. When someone explained to me what this meant in Freudian terms, I was disturbed, to say the least.

eeeeewwww. I feel dirty now.

pax.

[Jackob]

Lots of characters have nothing in common with each other until some writer invents that "something" for them to have in common. And what are lovers before they become lovers? They're usually friends first are they not?

I'd rather see Cecilia with a brother of her generation anyway. The Deathbird/Vulcan thing reminded me of the Cecilia/Nezhno pairing I'd suggested some time ago, because of the age difference thing. Again - villain or not - what seems "good" for some characters isn't good for others.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

but here is the thing with DB and vulcan for them creepy is good because it inhances the creepyness of the pair. they are not ment to be a nice stable couple, they both did it for power. they are 2 bad guys and they do bad things. and with Vulcan being aged up to adult hood it makes it less creepy than him being physicaly 15. plus he spent like 10 years orbitings space on karakoa

now nez and cecilia they are good guys and it would be bad to have an illigal relationship. and i dont think that it would work between them even if they were both of leagle age. she is much more suited for the big blue teddy bear beast.

[The Confessor]

What about Dr. Miles Warren and Gwen Stacy in the Spider-Man comics?

Warren obsessed over Gwen while she was a student in his class and when she died he was so distraught that he went ahead and created a clone of her!! :eek:

That guy was seriously messed up, he couldn't bare to live without her so he actually cloned her and after a few failed attempts at killing Spider-Man (who he blamed for her death) he settled down into a comfy suburban husband/wife relationship with the clone. And if memory serves me correctly, he had her dress up like this...

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4062/gwenstacy7735ug0.jpg

So, between Prof. Miles Warren being at least twice Gwen's age, being her school teacher and then the whole cloning episode, I'd say that was a pretty creepy relationship.

[Mississippienne]

The Gwen Clone (Gwen2) married a Miles Warren clone. Yeah, pretty creepy, especially when you recall that she had all of original Gwen's memories, so she would've remembered original Miles being her teacher. But it's not like either one had anyone else to cling to. Her husband died of clone degeneration and she tangled with the Jackal before spliting for parts unknown. I always wondered how Gwen2 managed to survive without, y'know, a birth certificate or anything. Yeah, she could've found original Gwen's papers, but Gwen's legally DEAD.

[Monty_Cristo]

I linked to scans of that story. Note that Doom never offers to make Magneto his ally or share power with him, he's just bored and wants to play with somebody. He tries again and again to get Namor to be his ally or even friend. It's telling that in Doom's fantasy about conquering the world, he doesn't fantasize about a harem of beautiful superwomen, but... Namor ruling at his side. Damn, Doom. You are so MESSED UP.

The Doctor Doom Unhealthy Obsession Scale seems to be like so:

First: Accursed Richards.
Second: Namor.
Distant Third: Magneto.

Everyone else is just a minor annoyance or doesn't even rate a mention. The only thing these three people have in common is that they're all very powerful, confident men. It says something about Doom's twisted psyche that he has this compulsion to dominate very powerful men. What it says, I don't dare speculate, but it says something.

you're forgetting about Secret Wars when Doom tried to woo Magneto over to his side. or the time he had him put on that memory helmet to test their wills. or the time he saved him (Joseph) from the Sentinel. he has directly challenged Magneto just as much as he has Namor, i'd say.

[Young Avenger]

Ultimate Quicksilver and Wanda. nuff said.

[icctrombone]

Just to add to the Wasp /Villian concept: Magneto was attempting to tap that in Secret wars.

[Monty_Cristo]

Just to add to the Wasp /Villian concept: Magneto was attempting to tap that in Secret wars.

yeah, that was pretty creepy. i wonder if Jan is leaking some kind of pheremone that attracts guys to her a la Spider-woman. she does have partial insect dna. and everyone says that blondes have more fun.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Yeah, he doesn't shy away from stuff like that. Creepy is good reading, and fitting for villainous characters. Although, Rise and Fall.. wasn't really that good; I mean, it wasn't bad, it was just kinda... mediocre.

I read it as a trade, and I liked it quite a bit. I thought it was far from the traditional X-Story, but I enjoyed it none the less.

I'm betting he would have shied away from it had the principles been Cecilia Reyes and Nezhno.

The more I read of Bendis and Brubaker, the more I'm convinced that Hudlin and McDuffie are just as good if not better than they are.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

McDuffie is clearly in the arena of the Bendis and Bru. The more he writes the happier I am. Hudlin... not so much. Small parts of my soul die every time he puts pen to paper.

but here is the thing with DB and vulcan for them creepy is good because it inhances the creepyness of the pair. they are not ment to be a nice stable couple, they both did it for power. they are 2 bad guys and they do bad things. and with Vulcan being aged up to adult hood it makes it less creepy than him being physicaly 15. plus he spent like 10 years orbitings space on karakoa

now nez and cecilia they are good guys and it would be bad to have an illigal relationship. and i dont think that it would work between them even if they were both of leagle age. she is much more suited for the big blue teddy bear beast.

I think that's the key- Bad guys who engage in creepy things can get away with it cause, well, they're bad guys. But what do I know. I still have not forgiven Cyclops for having a psychic affair with emma frost... ;)

So, between Prof. Miles Warren being at least twice Gwen's age, being her school teacher and then the whole cloning episode, I'd say that was a pretty creepy relationship.

Good catch, Jackal and Gwen had a creepy relationship. Then again, so did (via retcon) gwen and Norman Osborn. Sins Past... eww...

[icctrombone]

My guess is that since the Wasp is an important founding marvel character, she will get more storylines than the lesser female heroes. Having Tigra turn into a female Ultron doesn't have the same kick.

[Monty_Cristo]

My guess is that since the Wasp is an important founding marvel character, she will get more storylines than the lesser female heroes. Having Tigra turn into a female Ultron doesn't have the same kick.

is she important? it always seemed like she was just along for the ride in those early Avengers days.

[Mississippienne]

Wasp/Magneto! Aha, I almost forgot that! Good catch. Although I always thought that not only did Erik want to tap that, he in fact DID tap that, and Jan wasn't fighting him off, either. So far we have:

1. Hank Pym
2. Whirlwind
3. Living Laser
4. Ultron
5. Magneto

Young Avengers' Cassie Lang might give Wasp some competition, since her two boyfriends to date have been Kristoff Vernard (Doom Jr.) and Iron Lad (Kang Jr.). She's only fifteen, and has plenty of time to catch up to Wasp.

As far as subtext goes, damn Magneto and Scarlet Witch's relationship in those early X-Men/Avengers issues is creepy in hindsight. He mind-controlled her while shouting, "Dance my blank-eyed beauty!" In the early Polaris-in-Genosha stories, before it was revealed she was his daughter, it came across to me that Polaris and Magneto had something going on. Everyone talks about Pietro and Wanda, but Magneto and his daughters have always had weird, creepy subtext.

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[Monty_Cristo]

Wasp/Magneto! Aha, I almost forgot that! Good catch. Although I always thought that not only did Erik want to tap that, he in fact DID tap that, and Jan wasn't fighting him off, either. So far we have:

1. Hank Pym
2. Whirlwind
3. Living Laser
4. Ultron
5. Magneto

Young Avengers' Cassie Lang might give Wasp some competition, since her two boyfriends to date have been Kristoff Vernard (Doom Jr.) and Iron Lad (Kang Jr.). She's only fifteen, and has plenty of time to catch up to Wasp.

As far as subtext goes, damn Magneto and Scarlet Witch's relationship in those early X-Men/Avengers issues is creepy in hindsight. He mind-controlled her while shouting, "Dance my blank-eyed beauty!" In the early Polaris-in-Genosha stories, before it was revealed she was his daughter, it came across to me that Polaris and Magneto had something going on. Everyone talks about Pietro and Wanda, but Magneto and his daughters have always had weird, creepy subtext.

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if you're just counting dates, then you should add Paladin, Tony Stark, and Clint Barton to Jan's list. there wasn't anything "creepy" about Cassie's crushs on Kristoff or Vision, imo. :)

[Josef F.]

Anyomne Remember Rahne's Weird thing For Havok?
And Ultimate Nightcrawler/Dazzler,

and not Forgetting Kitty Pryde.
EVERY X BADDIE AT SOME POINT HAS TRIED SOMETHING.
It's weird.
If you look it up
It's there.
It's wrong and it's there.

[overcomebyfumes]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/overcomebyfumes/auntmay4az.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/overcomebyfumes/hulk103vsoneeyedmonster.jpg

pax.

[icctrombone]

You want strange Love ? How did the Hulk and betty " do it " ?

[Jackob]

You want strange Love ? How did the Hulk and betty " do it " ?

very carefuly

[sinjection]

NOW you're getting it.

How old was Slipstream when he and Storm were romantically involved?

I suspect Storm was older.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

How old was Slipstream when he and Storm were romantically involved?

I suspect Storm was older.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

So? He wasn't a minor.

[sinjection]

So? He wasn't a minor.

Lifeguard didn't look much older than 20 or so to me and she is Slipstream's older sister is she not? How old is Slipstream?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

Lifeguard didn't look much older than 20 or so to me and she is Slipstream's older sister is she not? How old is Slipstream?


Actually, I'm not too sure. I don't remember much from that book; mostly because it sucked eggs. Slipstream and Storm though wasn't creepy, not like Nez and Storm would be. Don't get me wrong, the relationship did suck, but it wasn't creepy. Anyway, let's not make this thread about this.

[sinjection]

Actually, I'm not too sure. I don't remember much from that book; mostly because it sucked eggs. Slipstream and Storm though wasn't creepy, not like Nez and Storm would be. Don't get me wrong, the relationship did suck, but it wasn't creepy.

Well, you're certainly welcome to your opinion. However, I see the relationship between Slipstream and Storm as being extremely creepy, inappropriate and yet another "out of character" depiction of Storm. It's gratifying to see her where she is now - the wife of T'Challa and Queen of Almighty Wakanda - considering from whence she came.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Jackob]

Well, you're certainly welcome to your opinion. However, I see the relationship between Slipstream and Storm as being extremely creepy, inappropriate and yet another "out of character" depiction of Storm. It's gratifying to see her where she is now - the wife of T'Challa and Queen of Almighty Wakanda - considering from whence she came.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

how is this creepy, when you want Nez and Cecila to hook up?
and he was overage so it is not illigal, how old do you think storm is?
i dont see her much older than 27 so if slipstream is 20 that is not that bad