Let's Play "Ask The Jew"!

[MichaelNetzer]

Source please? That seems a bit odd.

I'll look it up and get back to you. Might have been in Me'Am Loez.

I know what you mean (http://chaverai.blogspot.com/2006/05/ive-been-thinking-about-what-i-posted.html)...



...but man not 100% sure I agree with that part (http://chaverai.blogspot.com/2006/05/i-went-to-work-naked-today.html).

I should have shown you my blog a while ago...

Good reading material for tonight.

In that case, unless you've changed a lot since I last saw you, you should be okay.

I don't feel I've changed at all, people say they see me differently though.

[MichaelNetzer]

I like him. He's silly!

Just came back from a wedding in the family. A little tipsy, perhaps, but having fun.

[Typo Lad]

I'll look it up and get back to you. Might have been in Me'Am Loez.

I'd appreciate it.

Good reading material for tonight.

The tipsy will help.

I don't feel I've changed at all, people say they see me differently though.

That sounds... creepy.

Hey, that night at Center1 you were telling me about a new paperless, tablet only art technique you were playing with. Did you ever do anything with that?

It's not off topic! He's a Jew and I'm asking him something!

[Gilda Dent]

This will probably sound dumb, but are dairy substitutes like margarine or cheese made from vegetable oil considered dairy for the purpose of mixing meat and dairy?

Would it be like being able to eat veggie protein sausage substitute?

Gilda

[Typo Lad]

It's not dumb at all Gilda.

Basically, no milk, no foul. That's why I like to bakes mah cookies with Crisco.

Or I did, before we became a trans-fat free household.

Curses!

[Wesley Dodds]

The purpose of the Yarmulke is really just to hide bald patches, right?

[Typo Lad]

If it is, it's not doing the job for me...

[Citizen V]

Dear Typo Lad,The Friendly Jew.

What do you think of Marvel`s Civil War.Is it another try to get back at DC?

Do you think America is corrupt?

What do you think of America`s so called "war" on terror?

[Typo Lad]

Dear Typo Lad,The Friendly Jew.

Typo, the friendly Jew, the friendliest Jew I knowww

Right. I just utterly dated myself.

What do you think of Marvel`s Civil War.

I find it amusing that the killing of a bunch of schoolkid bystanders is the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean,why didn't Xorneto's siege of Manhattan do it? Or any of the numerous alien invasions?

It seems odd that this is happening so "late in the game".

That said, it's an interesting story idea, from what I've read. Better than Infinite Crisis, anyway.

Is it another try to get back at DC?

If by "get back" you mean steal marketshare, sure. That's the whole point.

Comics is business.

Do you think America is corrupt?

I think America is a lovely idea. Someone should try it sometime.

What do you think of America`s so called "war" on terror?

A catch-all phrase to justify whatever action those using it want to justify.

[Super Hero Guy]

Dear Mr Jew,

I understand that you're an Orthorodox jew. What's your opinion on Reform Jews? Conservatives? Recontructionists? Hasidics?

[Typo Lad]

I think everyone is free to worship G-d in whatever way they wish as long as that worship does not cause harm to other. It's not my place to judge anyone.

And it's Chasidic, not Hasidics. The "Ch" is guttural, like in Loch.

[Jeff Brady]

What on earth are you doing up so early?

My excuse is that I'm up late. And still at work.

[Typo Lad]

I got up to use the bathroom and the computer beckoned me. I'm going back to bed for a last hour of sleep now.

Mom.

[Jeff Brady]

I got up to use the bathroom and the computer beckoned me. I'm going back to bed for a last hour of sleep now.

That's one hell of a beckoning. I'm lucky if I can make it back to my room without passing out.

Mom.

I worry because I love.

[MichaelNetzer]

I'd appreciate it.

Spent some time looking for the source but not found it yet. I'll keep looking but for now, it's rumor.

We know though, that wearing a headcovering was only custom in times past but later became institutionalized into Talmudic law. The story offered an accounting of an incident which purports to be a turning point contributing towards the custom turning into law. Me'am Loez, btw, is a collection of opinions and stories, many of which are noted with words such as: "It's said that..." or "Some say..." which offer no emprirical source for the story. So, I'd say that even finding it may not cast any more substantial light on its source.

I'd leave it for now, though it offered a reasonable explanation of how the custom eventually became law. It's reasonable given the socio-religious dynamics of the time - but it's probably not too important.

That sounds... creepy.

It's not, really. Some people don't easily accept change in others. The reality on the ground here in Israel, especially within the religious settlements has caused me to take an active interest in questioning why it is we appear to be willing to bring about a civil war for the sake of holding onto the land. The bloody events at Ammona last January (the settlement I live in, my children were there) are a good example. I'm asking our community to reflect on what it means to speak in H's name, and not simply to settle for declarations which lead to destructive action. Some people see such behaviour as odd.


Hey, that night at Center1 you were telling me about a new paperless, tablet only art technique you were playing with. Did you ever do anything with that?

It's not off topic! He's a Jew and I'm asking him something!

I've been drawing with a computer since 1995, roughly. All of these were completely paperless. No actual original art whatsover, not even a sketch, using a Wacom tablet and drawing on the monitor:

A-Z Superheroes. (http://www.flamingsword.biz/flamingsword/shop_azposter.htm)
Portraits of the Creators (http://www.flamingsword.biz/flamingsword/shop_portraits.htm)
Heroes & Villains and other Celebrities (http://www.flamingsword.biz/flamingsword/shop_hvc.htm)

I'm working on a strip I intend to propose to a major Israeli newspaper. It's fresh off the drawing monitor. Haven't shown it around yet but here's a peek. It reads from right to left, btw.

HereHeComes_01 (http://www.michaelnetzer.com/herehecomes_01_sm.jpg)

It's loose and fast as a drawing style, as Israeli strips are, but compeleley drawn by computer.

[Typo Lad]

I'd leave it for now, though it offered a reasonable explanation of how the custom eventually became law. It's reasonable given the socio-religious dynamics of the time - but it's probably not too important.

It's interesting though.

It's not, really. Some people don't easily accept change in others. The reality on the ground here in Israel, especially within the religious settlements has caused me to take an active interest in questioning why it is we appear to be willing to bring about a civil war for the sake of holding onto the land. The bloody events at Ammona last January (the settlement I live in, my children were there) are a good example. I'm asking our community to reflect on what it means to speak in H's name, and not simply to settle for declarations which lead to destructive action. Some people see such behaviour as odd.

There's a great vort I heard on Yerushalayim. Where does the name come from? The first part comes from Yera, fear, as in Har HaShem Yirah, which is what Avrohom called it.

The second part comes from Malketzedek, king of Salem. What's interesting is that depending on where you put the nekudot, Shin Lamed Mem either spells "Shalom" (peace) or "Shalaim" (Whole).

The problem is people are so busy arguing about Shalom and Shalaim that they sometimes forget the Yirat Hashem.


I've been drawing with a computer since 1995, roughly.


So about a year before Center1. Okay.

All of these were completely paperless. No actual original art whatsover, not even a sketch, using a Wacom tablet and drawing on the monitor:

A-Z Superheroes. (http://www.flamingsword.biz/flamingsword/shop_azposter.htm)
Portraits of the Creators (http://www.flamingsword.biz/flamingsword/shop_portraits.htm)
Heroes & Villains and other Celebrities (http://www.flamingsword.biz/flamingsword/shop_hvc.htm)

You've still got it.

I'm working on a strip I intend to propose to a major Israeli newspaper. It's fresh off the drawing monitor. Haven't shown it around yet but here's a peek. It reads from right to left, btw.

HereHeComes_01 (http://www.michaelnetzer.com/herehecomes_01_sm.jpg)

It's loose and fast as a drawing style, as Israeli strips are, but compeleley drawn by computer.

I'll read it at work, slowly. My ivrit skills are not what they should be.

The images are nice though.

If I thought I could afford you, I'd show you my comic about Bechirah and Malkachim and ask if you wee interested.

I call it "Typo Lad's Attempt at Excommunication"

[MichaelNetzer]

I know what you mean (http://chaverai.blogspot.com/2006/05/ive-been-thinking-about-what-i-posted.html)...

...but man not 100% sure I agree with that part (http://chaverai.blogspot.com/2006/05/i-went-to-work-naked-today.html).

I should have shown you my blog a while ago...

Nice blog, Mor... eh, TL. (are real private names taboo here?)

The words pouring from the heart show integrity. I feel much the same way about outward appearance. I often find myself in situations that a certain appearance causes discomfort. I wonder about that and would prefer not to cause it. On the other hand, it's a way to cause thought about it as you try to do in your blog. I've come to conclusions through my experiences though.

Modesty in His ways is a paramount principle and spirit we must excercise. the symbols are of little significance next to the actual behavior and what comes from the heart. I'm willing to forsesake the symbols in order to nourish a cleaner spirit. Many people who demand we put the symbols up front, do so with undue pride which doesn't conform to the humility we should have. H' knows who we are. Each person's relationship with their maker is a private issue, not intended for public display.

Michael

[Typo Lad]

Almost everyone here knows my real name Michael (did I ever ask your reshut to call you by your first name? if not, may I?). It's only a secret at my blog.

Glad you liked it.

I respect and agree with much you just said on how one should approach HaShem his or her own way.

[MichaelNetzer]

(did I ever ask your reshut to call you by your first name? if not, may I?).

No reshut needed, Mordechai. I usually sign with first name only so others feel comfortable using it.

If I thought I could afford you, I'd show you my comic about Bechirah and Malkachim and ask if you wee interested.

I call it "Typo Lad's Attempt at Excommunication"

I'd be interested in seeing it. But it's often not a matter of affording the work. It's usually the stability of being able to produce the work. I could be within a commitment and find myself in a situation where I can't continue working for a time. So, I've become more careful about taking on purlonged things. Single drawings or such are a little safer. The "affording it" usually isn't a hindrance.

I spent the last three months crossing the Judea Desert with a group of people. Everything I was working on before came to a halt and I'm starting over again now. That's a rough example of how things are for me.

[Typo Lad]

Thank you Michael.

I'll have to show it to you some time then. It's a fun idea. I and a British co-writer have actually done the entire series already. Then it all fell apart because neither of us can draw.

We've been working, on and off, on different projects for a decade now. Each time, he takes my plots of straw and spins them into scripts of gold... and then the artist half of the equation vanishes.

I'm starting to think it's my breath.

Edit: And way cool on the desert crossing.

[Rallura]

Dear Morts,

Where, exactly, is the chullent recipe?

[Typo Lad]

Dear Morts,

Where, exactly, is the chullent recipe?

Do you want a Sephardic one? (http://www.jewish-food.org/recipes/chiccho2.htm)

One that uses chicken instead of beef? (http://www.jewish-food.org/recipes/chicchol.htm)

Or do you want to try different types every now and then and see what you like? (http://www.jewish-food.org/recipes/choindex.htm)

[Rallura]

Depends if those are the recipes that Susannah uses.

[Typo Lad]

Many of them are from Spice & Spirit, which is (I believe) the recepie she uses.

Were I a better friend I'd buy you a copy of that book.

I am, alas, lousy.

(Plus the latest revisiosn are kinda lame)

[Rallura]

As long as I have the resicpe, I will be happy. Except for the utter lack of challah.

[Typo Lad]

Have you tried mail-order?

Also, pretty sure that website has a Challah recepie.

And I love you for spelling it properly

[Rallura]

Have you tried mail-order?

Also, pretty sure that website has a Challah recepie.

And I love you for spelling it properly

I should, shouldn't I? Making bread myself seems beyond me these days though.

And of course I can spell Challah. Which reminds me, I need to tell you about how I pissed off some old people at the Holy Cross Lutheran Church Sedar Dinner. Later though, cause BB needs the computer.

I love you too.

[Typo Lad]

I should, shouldn't I? Making bread myself seems beyond me these days though.

Woot.com is a site that sells a different product every day. It's a bit of a contest in that there's x amount of stock and they don't tell you how much.

I mention it because they quite frequently have breadmakers. Many of which can make Challah.

I'm just saying.

I miss Sizannah's homeade Challah. The store near us is amazing, but it's not the same.

And of course I can spell Challah. Which reminds me, I need to tell you about how I pissed off some old people at the Holy Cross Lutheran Church Sedar Dinner.

Do tell! Do tell!

Later though, cause BB needs the computer.

Darn it! You're leaving me hanging?

That reminds me... I should E-mail BB about something...

I love you too.

We miss you guys.

[Bouncing Boy]

Making bread myself seems beyond me these days though.

You could...oh I don't know...ASK YOUR HUSBAND TO MAKE IT FOR YOU!!!

Oh and so I'm not responsable for thread drift, a question for the jew:

Is it as hard as I think it would to get kosher mexican food? I mean there's generally alot of mixing of meat and cheese and flour tortillas generally have lard in them. Have you ever had any Mexican food (or at least close proximity there of)?

[Typo Lad]

You could...oh I don't know...ASK YOUR HUSBAND TO MAKE IT FOR YOU!!!

Don't be silly. Boys don't bake.


Is it as hard as I think it would to get kosher mexican food? I mean there's generally alot of mixing of meat and cheese and flour tortillas generally have lard in them. Have you ever had any Mexican food (or at least close proximity there of)?

For a year or so there was a Kosher Mexican place on the Upper West Side. As you can imagine, the menue was limited. There was also a resteraunt there called Joseph's which had a wide variety of very tasty mock-meats. They had a large and popular Mexican menue. They also made an awesome "sausage" Pizza.

As for Tortillas, I made "steal" tortillas last night. There doesn't have to be lard in it.

[Sandy Hausler]

Just to spice things up (and make trouble), what do you think about sheine meydel Kitty Pryde, one of the few Jewish super heroes, doing the wild thing with Collosus?

Sandy Hausler

[Dreadstar]

Don't be silly. Boys don't bake.

Howy does. "Wake-and-bake" he told me.

[Typo Lad]

Just to spice things up (and make trouble), what do you think about sheine meydel Kitty Pryde, one of the few Jewish super heroes, doing the wild thing with Collosus?

Sandy Hausler

I think that:

1) They're fictional characters, so I can't get worked up about it.
2) Kitty has never been shown to have much of a religious identity outside of the fact that she wears a magen david (star of David). Beyond that she could be any WASP.
3) My first experiance online with anti-semitism came from a guy in AOL's Wizard chat saying that no-one should read X-Men because Kitty Pryde was in it and was Jewish and Jews killed Jesus, so reading it was sinful.

[Bouncing Boy]

Don't be silly. Boys don't bake.



For a year or so there was a Kosher Mexican place on the Upper West Side. As you can imagine, the menue was limited. There was also a resteraunt there called Joseph's which had a wide variety of very tasty mock-meats. They had a large and popular Mexican menue. They also made an awesome "sausage" Pizza.

As for Tortillas, I made "steal" tortillas last night. There doesn't have to be lard in it.

Oh I know that there doesn't have to be lard in it, but store bought ones usually do. I've made them with crisco. I was going to mention that, but you said earlier in the thread that your house is now a trans-fat free household. What's a "steal" tortilla?

[Typo Lad]

Oh I know that there doesn't have to be lard in it, but store bought ones usually do. I've made them with crisco. I was going to mention that, but you said earlier in the thread that your house is now a trans-fat free household.

I hate it so much. I want to bake! I don't care if it's unnatural!

What's a "steal" tortilla?

It's what happens when you think you hit the "k" but you were one letter too far to the right.

MorningStar Farms Mealstarters are a Kosher gourmand's best friend.

[Bouncing Boy]

Don't be silly. Boys don't bake.


I forgot to comment on this part. I actually do alot of baking. Though I've been slack for the last month or so. Oh and I find the comment interesting because earlier...

That's why I like to bakes mah cookies with Crisco.

[Typo Lad]

I was trying to be silly, BB.

Man, marriage has made you all boring and stuff. It's like I don't even know you.

[Bouncing Boy]

I was trying to be silly, BB.

Man, marriage has made you all boring and stuff. It's like I don't even know you.

Oh yeah! Well I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. (hmmm Bouncing Boy vs. Paste Pot Pete, there's a DC vs. Marvel crossover I'd like to see)

[Typo Lad]

Paste Pot Pete's ability to fire a white, sticky substance makes Wertham's corpse quiver with barely restrained lust.

The Crockum and Grell LoSH costumes would probably make it combust.

[Sandy Hausler]

I think that:

1) They're fictional characters, so I can't get worked up about it.

But she's real to us. (I don't mean in the we're deranged sense, but you know what I mean.)


2) Kitty has never been shown to have much of a religious identity outside of the fact that she wears a magen david (star of David). Beyond that she could be any WASP.

Thank you. I had an argument on some other thread with a guy who insisted that Kitty was a religious Jew.


3) My first experiance online with anti-semitism came from a guy in AOL's Wizard chat saying that no-one should read X-Men because Kitty Pryde was in it and was Jewish and Jews killed Jesus, so reading it was sinful.

Interesting, but irrelevant to the question at issue.<g>

Sandy Hausler

[Rallura]

That's why I like to bakes mah cookies with Crisco.

Don't be silly. Boys don't bake.

Hrm.......

[Paul McEnery]

Thank you. I had an argument on some other thread with a guy who insisted that Kitty was a religious Jew.

Sandy Hausler
Aw, c'mon.
For Claremont, that's massive theological characterization.

Peter says "bojemoi", Kurt says "unglaublich", Kitty wears a star. See? They're multicultural!

[Davideaux]

Will "Ask the Jew" ever make it to Toys R Us? I want to play it at home.

[DarkBlade]

Dear Jew,

Did you know that Crisco now has a version with no trans-fat (http://www.crisco.com/about/0_grams.asp)? I have no idea what it's kashrut status is. I think it is still pareve, but do not currently have any and so cannot tell you what the symbols on the packaging are. If I recall correctly, it's also a tetch more expensive than regular Crisco. It comes in a green can, not blue.

P.S. I can spell Challah! I just can't pronounce it..

[Typo Lad]

Thank you. I had an argument on some other thread with a guy who insisted that Kitty was a religious Jew.


Really? What were the other person's counter-arguments?

She does not appear to keep any Jewish traditions.

Aw, c'mon.
For Claremont, that's massive theological characterization.

Peter says "bojemoi", Kurt says "unglaublich", Kitty wears a star. See? They're multicultural!

Brilliant.

"It's not tokenism, it's Claremontism!"

Will "Ask the Jew" ever make it to Toys R Us? I want to play it at home.

We're working on the prototype. Please note that the Jew is not included.


Did you know that Crisco now has a version with no trans-fat (http://www.crisco.com/about/0_grams.asp)?

I do now. I love you.

I have no idea what it's kashrut status is.

I love you more knowing the word "kashrut"

I think it is still pareve,

Seriously. Let's run away together.

I can spell Challah! I just can't pronounce it..

It's like the CH in "Loch".

[Sandy Hausler]

[QUOTE=Typo Lad]Really? What were the other person's counter-arguments?

She does not appear to keep any Jewish traditions. [QUOTE]


I know, but evidently in one story somewhere, she lit the Chanukkah menorah, which evidently makes her religious. If only I knew it were so easy. I'll try to find the thread for your amusement.

Sandy Hausler

[MichaelNetzer]

Really? What were the other person's counter-arguments?

She does not appear to keep any Jewish traditions.


About 2/3 of the Jews in the world don't appear to keep any Jewish traditions but remain Jews. Does that make 2/3 of the Jewish people as if non-Jews? This is the source of rigourous debate in my neck of the woods.


It's almost Shabbat here but you have some time. So I'd like to throw out a question but may not be able to discuss it at length until Motzei Shabbat:

Were Adam and Eve commanded to be fruitful and multiply?

I've found this to also be a source or good debate and has implications on Evolution and Darwinism.

[Joe Bullseye]

I just started reading this thread and out of nowhere I realized "this is a f...ing long thread. So I skipped to the end.

And now for my question, and please do not get offended.

Was Hitler the anti-christ or just meeting his desinty?

[Typo Lad]

I just started reading this thread and out of nowhere I realized "this is a f...ing long thread. So I skipped to the end.

And now for my question, and please do not get offended.

Was Hitler the anti-christ or just meeting his desinty?
Joe-

Jews don't believe in an antichrist, for what should be obvious resons. Hitler was a man. An evil man. A charismatic man. A man who took advantage of millenia of judiaphobia.

He did not have special powers. He was just a man.

He should be held up as an example of the fact that anyone can be evil.

[Typo Lad]

About 2/3 of the Jews in the world don't appear to keep any Jewish traditions but remain Jews. Does that make 2/3 of the Jewish people as if non-Jews? This is the source of rigourous debate in my neck of the woods.

Good point Michael. No, it does not remove her Jewishness. However, the issue was that the poster Sandy refers to was arguing that Kitty was a religious Jew. I simply don't see the evidence. Kitty certainly has been show to identify herself as a Jew ethnically, but I have seen little evidence of her engaging in any of the cultural or religious aspects of Judiasm.

Although one writer wrote a great flashback scene in Excalibur that had Wolverine teaching Kitty a form of Martial Arts used by the Mossad and basically having Logan say "Pay attention, this is part of your heritiage". It was nice.

It's almost Shabbat here

I hope you have a peacful Shabbos enjoying your family and friends.

but you have some time.

It never feels like enough though.

Were Adam and Eve commanded to be fruitful and multiply?

I've found this to also be a source or good debate and has implications on Evolution and Darwinism.

I personally do not recally any such specific commandment. However, my M'Sadar Kiddushin (that's the Rabbi who officitates at your wedding, for the gentiles in the audiance), gave me a great vort on B'Reshit (Genisis).

You know there's an opinion that the entire tale of the Aitz Hads (Fruit of Knowledge) is alagory, right? Well, in that cas,e what does G-d's commandment to "taste every fruit" mean.

It's sex. G-d's telling them to have sex.

It raises interesting questions about what the Aitz Hadas was though....

[Joe Bullseye]

I am catholic so I say anti-christ but I mean the devil.

I just want to know if a man is following his destiny and it is what God knew he would do, is he truly evil or doing Gods plan? I have talked to priest about this because it is a drastic example. Can a man burn in hell if he was doing Gods plan? That is my real question. I have never asked a jewish person this because it is border line bringing up Hitler. But if you beleave in destiny how can anyone be evil? I have been stuggling to understand fate or freewill my whole life. What is the Jewish view on this?

[Typo Lad]

Ah! THe Classic "Why does G-d let bad things happen," then? With a sprinkling of "If G-d knows everything, then how can we say we have free-will,"?

I have a really, really long answer to this. Are you sure you want to hear it?

[Joe Bullseye]

Well, I would like to hear from a different side so I will read your reply even if it equal the length of this whole thread. I have this really yearning to really know if we can truly be free if it is already writen. "So, let it be writen, So, let it be done!" UGH

[Typo Lad]

Free Will vs Predestination: The Nature of Reality – A Judaic view.
By Typo O’Lad
This is all Joe Bullseye’s fault

Being a religious Jew isn’t easy. Aside from the restrictions and requirements, there are what seem to be some very large contradictions in some of the most basic teachings. Taking the Torah at face value often leads to confusion. It is for this reason that it is important to keep in mind two things:

1) There were, in fact, two sets of law given at Sini: the Written Tradition which would become the Torah; and the Oral Tradition, which would become the Mishnah and Gemara, collectively known as the Talmud. Without study of the Oral Law, the Torah is incomplete (with all respect to the Karrite Jews, who believe otherwise).

2) It is often hard to understand portions of the Torah because of temporal context. Simply put, either we don’t understand things because they were written to compare with other societies of that time (women’s rights issues, for one thing – the Torah is actually fairly liberal) or we don’t understand things because of the old saying “any science sufficiently advanced would be indistinguishable from magic,” (Golems seem like high magic until we start thinking in terms of cloning).

What does this have to do with the nature of reality?

There is a seeming conflict between two basic tenants of the Jewish faith. On the one hand, we are taught that we were gifted with Free Will, which is what is supposed to make us unique in all creation, including even angels. On the other hand we are told that G-d knows everything and that he knows what we will do. For example we’re taught that everyone has a “perfect mate” chosen at the moment of birth.

This is contradictory. If everything is predestined, then how can I have Free Will? This is a very, very strong conflict here!

And it gets a little worse when you read some portions of the Torah. For example, it says that G-d hardened Pharoh’s heart against the Jews. If this is the case, and it was G-d’s will, then why it Pharoh punished?

We’ll get back to Pharoh; I promise.

The way to reconcile these contradictions is fairly simple, actually, thanks to new understandings about the nature of time and space. Or at least, my understanding. It is important to keep in mind that I am not a physicist, either quantum or otherwise, nor am I a Rabbi or a Philosopher. I am merely a layman who has gleaned these ideas from numerous sources.

The conflict exists because we make an automatic assumption that G-d is limited to the same 3-dimensional space that we are. In fact, this seems presumptuous. By the very act of creating the Universe, would it not seem obvious that G-d exists outside that Universe? By that token he is not bound by those laws.

Now before you say “that’s a cop-out,” let’s get a little more specific and scientific.

Being part of the universe, we are bound by the laws of time. We can only look at the past. When we make a decision, we are, in effect, forking temporal space. In the moment of choice, both choice A and B are potential futures. Once we chose A, B is no longer an option. We do not know what would have happened had we chosen B and how it would have effected the rest of the world (Butterfly effect, don’t you know). That’s all part of being Linear.

G-d is not Linear. He sees all of reality. He knows what will happen because he’s experiencing it all in what we would consider “at once”. Part of that trans-temporal experience is being able to see choices A & B and running those scenarios to their conclusion in full, taking into account all the various other choices all the other millions of people would make.

Heavy, no?

“Okay,” you say, “but then you’re saying we don’t have Free Will, aren’t you? G-d sees all, knows all, has planned it all and it’s all a sucker bet.”

No.

As I noted, G-d sees all possibilities. That means there are possibilities to see. Meaning we have Free Will. We can chose A or B. We deal with those repercussions as seen within linear space.

I believe that the universe is, essentially, a giant laboratory. We are the test animals. What sort of experiment G-d is running I do not know. All we can see are the maze walls. G-d sees the maze and the exit. He may, on occasion, send the spiritual equivalent of a mild electrical shock on the floors or perhaps let us smell the cheese at the end of the maze. It is, however, up to us to get to the end of the maze.

I do so hope that made sense.

Back to Pharoh now, our loose end.

Like I mentioned, G-d might give us a push forward or backwards. Pharoh was already engaging in cruelty to the Hebrew people. When Moshe came forward, G-d strengthened an already existing emotion (I also heard on fascinating opinion that the hardening of the heart refers to G-d making it possible for Pharoh to ignore the fact that Moshe was his adoptive grandson). Pharoh still had the choice to ignore the emotions and act based on logic. He chose emotion and that led to the rest.

Getting back to Hitler… he chose to do what he did. His actions led to consequences. We, unfortunately, only see the consequences in the hear and now. We cannot know what happened when Hitler went before the Divine Throne. As Judaism does not believe in Eternal Damnation and rather believes in a Hell that cleanses your soul so you may go to heaven, I don’t believe he made it to Hell. Rather, I believe in the tradition that those who are not ready to be “cleansed” in Hell are sent back to Earth to try again in another life. I like to believe that if there is a sort of Karma, Hitler is now a Jewish child, possibly handicapped, and feels victimized by Anti-Semitism.
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Wow. Almost three pages.

Was I any help at all Joe?

[MichaelNetzer]

I just started reading this thread and out of nowhere I realized "this is a f...ing long thread. So I skipped to the end.

And now for my question, and please do not get offended.

Was Hitler the anti-christ or just meeting his desinty?

Just meeting his destiny.

[Lubichev]

And meeting Stalin in Hell.

[MichaelNetzer]

I personally do not recally any such specific commandment. However, my M'Sadar Kiddushin (that's the Rabbi who officitates at your wedding, for the gentiles in the audiance), gave me a great vort on B'Reshit (Genisis).

You know there's an opinion that the entire tale of the Aitz Hads (Fruit of Knowledge) is alagory, right? Well, in that cas,e what does G-d's commandment to "taste every fruit" mean.

It's sex. G-d's telling them to have sex.

It raises interesting questions about what the Aitz Hadas was though....


All the indications in the Torah point to that Adam and Eve weren't the first man and woman in the world. That the world was full of people and they were mostly still in the animal state, not much awareness of the world environs they're in and still with no developed human intelligence. They were people nonetheless. These were the people created on the sixth day and filled the world. Sexual activity was a function of this animal state.

With Adam and Eve, it was different. They were born into this world full of these people in this state and were the first to devolop an awareness of everything around them and human intelligence. Their purpose for attaining it was to raise this awareness in all the others. But something happened and they failed.

The accounting in Genesis points to all this and the Zohar hints of it, but it's time to go. Back tomorrow.

[Typo Lad]

Fascinating. I've never heard of such a take. Nor do I exactly understand how someone sees that from the account.

I wonder, ahve you read any of Rabbi Slifkin's books.

[Joe Bullseye]

OK, here is the flaw. If you put a mouse in a maze and he can only see the walls and you put cheese in two spots, one on a trap one in a safe place, the mouse has the choice to go to the cheese in either place. Fine.
Now what you are asking me to beleave is that god knows the choice the mouse is going to make because he can see the whole maze. This doesn't make sence because how do you know 100% the choice before it is chosen unless it is already writen.

If there are say 1,000,000,000 distinies to choose from how does God know which one you will choose unless it is already chose for you? Like in the Catholic bible it says God knew that the slaves would be free by the hand of Moses 400 years before the people were even slaves. How do you 100% get free will 400 years in advance if it is known to God that it will happen. It once again says is the a 1 true destiny or free will. I can't see them both happening at the same time.

[Typo Lad]

You're still thinking Linearly. G-d knows it happened because, to His perception, [i]it already did[/b]. All of time, at once.

It's a hard concept to get, I know. I'd advise reading some good Quunatum Physics for Layman books.

[Michael P]

It's sort of like Schrodinger's Box, then, with the box open from God's point of view, and the box closed from ours.

[Typo Lad]

Thank you Michael. I owe you yet another drink.

[Lubichev]

It's sort of like Schrodinger's Box, then, with the box open from God's point of view, and the box closed from ours.
Or Schrodenger's "Cat" that is alive and dead at the same time?

[Super Hero Guy]

Okay, here's another question I wanted to ask. You say some Jews believe reincarnation, right? Well, here's what I don't get. Jews are God's chosen people, the descendants of Abraham. So, what I'm wondering, will you always be reborn as a descendant of Abraham? Because if your soul is immortal and has lived countless lives, what does the heritage of one particular life matter? And how do converts or people who leave the faith factor into this? DO you even understand what I'm asking?

[Sam]

It's sort of like Schrodinger's Box, then, with the box open from God's point of view, and the box closed from ours.

That raises the question I was wondering, reading Typo Lad's conception -- how would that work if the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics turns out to be valid?

The interaction of quantum mechanics and free will is one that has fascinated me since I first heard about the possibility. It seems to all but annihilate the concept of free will as it is traditionally understood, because although it doesn't seem like it to you and I, if that view of reality is accurate then we do not actually make choices. Or rather, we make every possible choice. We don't pick A or B, we pick A and B. We go down both paths in the maze simultaneously.

What that means for free will, I'm not sure.

(And, of course, it may be a completely incorrect view of the universe.)

[Michael P]

Or Schrodenger's "Cat" that is alive and dead at the same time?
That's what I was referencing.

[Typo Lad]

Okay, here's another question I wanted to ask. You say some Jews believe reincarnation, right? Well, here's what I don't get. Jews are God's chosen people, the descendants of Abraham. So, what I'm wondering, will you always be reborn as a descendant of Abraham?

Actually, one does not have to be a biological descendant of Avraham. The fact is that Avraham had a large camp of followers, all converts, and was himself a "convert". We are his children in spirit, not flesh.

Because if your soul is immortal and has lived countless lives,

Not "countless". Just until a certain "level" of spirituality is attained. Upon that you ascend.

what does the heritage of one particular life matter?

Each life is a test, be you Jewish or Non-Jewish in that life. Every life brings something to the soul.

And how do converts or people who leave the faith factor into this?

As I said above, we're all converts. My wife, who is an actual convert, often talks about how she always felt "drawn" to Judiasm, evne before she knew conversion was an option. I always tell her that's because she had a Jewish Soul to begin with.

As for people who "leave"... well, you don't, really. You might not practice, but you never can leave. Hitler, in his own horrific fashion, taught us that.

DO you even understand what I'm asking?

I'd like to think so. Did I?

[Michael P]

The interaction of quantum mechanics and free will is one that has fascinated me since I first heard about the possibility. It seems to all but annihilate the concept of free will as it is traditionally understood, because although it doesn't seem like it to you and I, if that view of reality is accurate then we do not actually make choices. Or rather, we make every possible choice. We don't pick A or B, we pick A and B. We go down both paths in the maze simultaneously.

Only if you consider the you from this quantum path and the you from all the others to be the same person.

Me, I consider them to be other people, similar to me but not identical, because they made different choices when exercising their free will.

[Dreadstar]

Only if you consider the you from this quantum path and the you from all the others to be the same person.

Me, I consider them to be other people, similar to me but not identical, because they made different choices when exercising their free will.

(Sorry, didn't mean the "not") Exactly. They ARE you until they reach the point where they finally make a different choice than you have. Then they branch off into their own existence.

[Typo Lad]

Sam -

It would mean that we had risen to a level of technology to access the alternate realities that previously G-d only could.

As for what it means for Free Will, it means it's more free than we'd ever thought.

[fly on the wall]

Dear Jew,

Are reformed Jews the ones that had to go to reform school?

[Typo Lad]

(Sorry, didn't mean the "not") Exactly. They ARE you until they reach the point where they finally make a different choice than you have. Then they branch off into their own existence.
That works for me.

Of course, it raises some interesting questions about the quantum nature of souls.

[Sam]

Only if you consider the you from this quantum path and the you from all the others to be the same person.

Me, I consider them to be other people, similar to me but not identical, because they made different choices when exercising their free will.

That's looking at it after a choice is made, though. But think about it in terms of a decision you'll make tomorrow. In the traditional conception of free will, you'll choose A or B tomorrow, and your life will go down one of two paths. In traditional religious terms, either to salvation or not.

If the Many Worlds interpretation is correct, that isn't the case. Tomorrow you will pick both A and B, and a version of you will travel down each path. You will be both saved and damned, simultaneously.

[Michael P]

That's looking at it after a choice is made, though. But think about it in terms of a decision you'll make tomorrow. In the traditional conception of free will, you'll choose A or B tomorrow, and your life will go down one of two paths. In traditional religious terms, either to salvation or not.

If the Many Worlds interpretation is correct, that isn't the case. Tomorrow you will pick both A and B, and a version of you will travel down each path. You will be both saved and damned, simultaneously.
No, tomorrow I will pick A or B, and at that moment there will come into existence another me who picks B or A. But I will not be him, and he won't be me, because we will have made different choices.

[Sam]

No, tomorrow I will pick A or B, and at that moment there will come into existence another me who picks B or A. But I will not be him, and he won't be me, because we will have made different choices.

That's not how it works (according to the theory, which may of course be completely wrong). It's not that you pick A, and in then a new universe spontaneously comes into existence where you picked B. This universe splits into two new ones -- you yourself split into two different beings.

After the split, you are indeed two different people. But each of them has an equal claim to having been you before the split; neither universe just 'came into existence'. And from your point of view today regarding a decision tomorrow, each potential future version of yourself -- both of which will come into existence -- is equally you.

[Typo Lad]

Well, that's not my understanding Sam, nor the understanding of anyone I've asked about this concept. We are the sum of our experiances. Typo LadA and Typo LadB have had different life tracks.

[Dreadstar]

Guys, you're saying the same thing, you know?

[Lubichev]

Methinks so too.

[jessecuster]

Dear Jew,

Are reformed Jews the ones that had to go to reform school?


I think its actually Reform Hebrew School.... not much better but I went for like 6 years

[curefreak]

Were there any famous jewish cowboys?

Mark B.
i guess you've never heard of kinky freidmann?(not sure i spelled his name right)
i dont know if anyone else has answered that since this thread has gotten way ahead of itself but he was in a country group for a while that specialized in sardonic humor now i think hes mayor of austin or some place in texas and will probably run for office someday .

[curefreak]

i aslo have some jewish related questions mr typo lad if you would be so kind :
1. what is a shiska exactly ? (i love seinfeld)
2.can you explain to me this folk hero named ubermensch i read that siegel and shuster used a lot of his story for there superman mythos.
3. why are theyre so many jewish comedians out there? what makes jewish people so funny? do you think its inhererited or possibley genetic??
3.are jewish people considered "white" or "non white" this always confuses me cause jerusalem and its people live in the middle east but as far as skin tone youre white :confused:

[Typo Lad]

I resent the implication that this thread has gotten ahead of itself.

It implies that this thread had potential to begin with.

Seriously, the endless facination with my people fascinates me.

[curefreak]

I resent the implication that this thread has gotten ahead of itself.

It implies that this thread had potential to begin with.

Seriously, the endless facination with my people fascinates me.
answer my questions oh soothsayer of jewishness.:evilsmile

[Typo Lad]

i aslo have some jewish related questions mr typo lad if you would be so kind :
1. what is a shiska exactly ? (i love seinfeld)

I hate it.

Shiksa is yiddish. Originally it meant a young Jewish girl who acted loose. More recently it has morphed to mean a non-Jewish girl or just a plain ordinary slut.

2.can you explain to me this folk hero named ubermensch i read that siegel and shuster used a lot of his story for there superman mythos.

Ubermensch is not a Jewish folkhero. Rather, it is the concept of the Overman as postulated by Nietzsche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubermensch).

why are theyre so many jewish comedians out there? what makes jewish people so funny? do you think its inhererited or possibley genetic??

Hereditery defense mechinism. If you make the guy with the gun laugh he might keep it holstered.

That said, there are some damn unfunny Jews. You all are lucky you don't get to deal with 'em for the most part.

Except Joe Leiberman. Nice guy but not Mr. Funny, you know?

3.are jewish people considered "white" or "non white" this always confuses me cause jerusalem and its people live in the middle east but as far as skin tone youre white :confused:

Oy.

Calling Jews "white" is a pet peeve of mine because "white", to me, means Anglo-Saxon. "White" Jews are a fairly recent "invention", on a historical scale, and for the most part we (I'm fricking Casper) still possess certain Semetic features (Hence the nose).

It's important to keep in mind that Judiasm is a race and a religion. There are Jews of every skin-tone you can imagine. The Beta-Israel of Africa and the B'Nai Mnashe of India and the Sephardic Jews of Span or the Yemminite Jews of Yemin (dur) all look vastly different. Yet at our core, we are all Jews.

[Typo Lad]

answer my questions oh soothsayer of jewishness.:evilsmile

Give a man a chance to type, oh person I've just met online but think I'm going to enjoy chatting with.

[curefreak]

Give a man a chance to type, oh person I've just met online but think I'm going to enjoy chatting with.
thank you for saying that it was very nice of you and also thank you for answering my questions (tho im reading ubermensch now im very confused on this whole thing :o )

[Typo Lad]

Hey that's okay, it's not the easiest thing in the world to get. I'm still defining it for myself.

[curefreak]

i could have swore that the ubermensch was a jewish folk hero that went around saving jews from the slaughterhouses :confused: now im wondering where i got that from :confused:

[curefreak]

Hey that's okay, it's not the easiest thing in the world to get. I'm still defining it for myself.
when i first came across the word nihilsm it seemed that they were implying a philosphical degree of hatred of all things .

[Grazzt]

i could have swore that the ubermensch was a jewish folk hero that went around saving jews from the slaughterhouses :confused: now im wondering where i got that from :confused:

Maybe you're thinking of the Golem.

[curefreak]

Maybe you're thinking of the Golem.
i thought that was just a character from lord of the rings:confused:

[BoosterBronze]

This is a tricky question but its something I've wondered about since it came up in conversation with some ofmy fellow history faculty the other day.

What if Judaism rather than the Catholic church had somehow caught on with the Romans and become the state religion, thus shaping the whole of Western Civilization for the next few millenia.

How would that have shaped the world, and how would it have affected the Jewish people (as an ethnic group) and the Jewish religion?

(obviously this is a real big question with no right answer, so Typ, no pressure :) )

[i_mmmchocolate]

I'm at work right now. At the library with a large Jewish population. You know the one.

OK, so I'm at the desk and a young Jewish boy (13 years old or so) asks me, "Is Sue in today? If not, when will she be in"

"No, but she'll be here Saturday---and Tuesday."

I know that they don't come in on Saturday, but it's been a long day and I did add in that Sue would be here Tuesday.

Anyway, this Jewish woman overheard as she was looking through the new book section and said, "That is truly depressing" without looking at me.

There's really no reason to feel bad because I did say "and Tuesday", but I still feel sort of yucky.

I guess I'm just wondering if it was truly offensive that I included Saturday.

[Typo Lad]

Cure - Different spelling and pronunciation and concepts. check Wiki.

Lena, the disapointing part is the woman's reaction. Please accept my apologies. clearly she was raised wrong.

Booster - yours is gonna have to wait till after Shabbos. Hpe thatls okay.

[DarkBlade]

Free Will vs Predestination: The Nature of Reality – A Judaic view.
By Typo O’Lad
This is all Joe Bullseye’s fault

Oh good, I wanted to hear this.

Being a religious Jew isn’t easy. Aside from the restrictions and requirements, there are what seem to be some very large contradictions in some of the most basic teachings. Taking the Torah at face value often leads to confusion. It is for this reason that it is important to keep in mind two things:

1) There were, in fact, two sets of law given at Sini: the Written Tradition which would become the Torah; and the Oral Tradition, which would become the Mishnah and Gemara, collectively known as the Talmud. Without study of the Oral Law, the Torah is incomplete (with all respect to the Karrite Jews, who believe otherwise).

So.. why do Christians study the Old Testament, but not the Talmud? Were the Karrites around at the time of the schism? (I used the phrase Old Testament because referring to Christianity.)

2) It is often hard to understand portions of the Torah because of temporal context. Simply put, either we don’t understand things because they were written to compare with other societies of that time (women’s rights issues, for one thing – the Torah is actually fairly liberal) or we don’t understand things because of the old saying “any science sufficiently advanced would be indistinguishable from magic,” (Golems seem like high magic until we start thinking in terms of cloning).

What does this have to do with the nature of reality?

There is a seeming conflict between two basic tenants of the Jewish faith. On the one hand, we are taught that we were gifted with Free Will, which is what is supposed to make us unique in all creation, including even angels. On the other hand we are told that G-d knows everything and that he knows what we will do. For example we’re taught that everyone has a “perfect mate” chosen at the moment of birth.

This is contradictory. If everything is predestined, then how can I have Free Will? This is a very, very strong conflict here!

And it gets a little worse when you read some portions of the Torah. For example, it says that G-d hardened Pharoh’s heart against the Jews. If this is the case, and it was G-d’s will, then why it Pharoh punished?

That's what I wanna know! I always thought the Pharoh got shafted there.. he almost gave in, but Jehova went and messed with him to prove a grand point? Hey lookie here, I can beat out the Pharoh's gods. CHECK IT! Believe it! See it!

That probably sounds irreverant and impertinent as all get out. I'm not trying to antagonize you there, it's just how I see that particular bit.

We’ll get back to Pharoh; I promise.

Ok.

The way to reconcile these contradictions is fairly simple, actually, thanks to new understandings about the nature of time and space. Or at least, my understanding. It is important to keep in mind that I am not a physicist, either quantum or otherwise, nor am I a Rabbi or a Philosopher. I am merely a layman who has gleaned these ideas from numerous sources.

Noted! You still seem considerably ahead of the game compared to the average person.

The conflict exists because we make an automatic assumption that G-d is limited to the same 3-dimensional space that we are. In fact, this seems presumptuous. By the very act of creating the Universe, would it not seem obvious that G-d exists outside that Universe? By that token he is not bound by those laws.

On the other hand, it's possible that in doing so, he bound himself into the creation and became subject to the laws he had decreed. Which may or may not be in line with current understanding of such laws.

Now before you say “that’s a cop-out,” let’s get a little more specific and scientific.

Being part of the universe, we are bound by the laws of time. We can only look at the past. When we make a decision, we are, in effect, forking temporal space. In the moment of choice, both choice A and B are potential futures. Once we chose A, B is no longer an option. We do not know what would have happened had we chosen B and how it would have effected the rest of the world (Butterfly effect, don’t you know). That’s all part of being Linear.

Ever try to work in non-linear logic? And I don't mean getting stuck in circular logic in attempt at/in an argument. Frustratingly, it's a good way to get a bad headache.

G-d is not Linear. He sees all of reality. He knows what will happen because he’s experiencing it all in what we would consider “at once”. Part of that trans-temporal experience is being able to see choices A & B and running those scenarios to their conclusion in full, taking into account all the various other choices all the other millions of people would make.

Makes sense.

Heavy, no?

“Okay,” you say, “but then you’re saying we don’t have Free Will, aren’t you? G-d sees all, knows all, has planned it all and it’s all a sucker bet.”

Nuh uh. Going from this, it's more like.. a multiple choice test. Or perhaps an online quiz where there isn't a wrong answer. If you answer A, C, B, A, F, D, A, and F, you end up at 3. If you answer A, C, B, A, F, D, A, and C, you end up at solution 27. Going with your religions framework, he created the whole thing, so he knows where the possibilites lead to. Not neccessarily which you'll chose. Yes? Kind of like the creator of those Pick A Path or Choose Your Own Adventure books.

No.

As I noted, G-d sees all possibilities. That means there are possibilities to see. Meaning we have Free Will. We can chose A or B. We deal with those repercussions as seen within linear space.

W00t! I'm on track.

I believe that the universe is, essentially, a giant laboratory. We are the test animals. What sort of experiment G-d is running I do not know. All we can see are the maze walls. G-d sees the maze and the exit. He may, on occasion, send the spiritual equivalent of a mild electrical shock on the floors or perhaps let us smell the cheese at the end of the maze. It is, however, up to us to get to the end of the maze.

Well, that's rather less than amusing... but then, I'm not particularly fond of electrical shocks in mouse mazes either.

I do so hope that made sense.

Seems to.

Back to Pharoh now, our loose end.

Like I mentioned, G-d might give us a push forward or backwards. Pharoh was already engaging in cruelty to the Hebrew people. When Moshe came forward, G-d strengthened an already existing emotion (I also heard on fascinating opinion that the hardening of the heart refers to G-d making it possible for Pharoh to ignore the fact that Moshe was his adoptive grandson). Pharoh still had the choice to ignore the emotions and act based on logic. He chose emotion and that led to the rest.

Hrm. I've read it that he was gonna do it, (and possibly even that he SAID he was gonna do it, memory is a tetch rusty) but The Lord hardened his heart, and Pharoh then said no.

Getting back to Hitler… he chose to do what he did. His actions led to consequences. We, unfortunately, only see the consequences in the hear and now. We cannot know what happened when Hitler went before the Divine Throne. As Judaism does not believe in Eternal Damnation and rather believes in a Hell that cleanses your soul so you may go to heaven, I don’t believe he made it to Hell. Rather, I believe in the tradition that those who are not ready to be “cleansed” in Hell are sent back to Earth to try again in another life. I like to believe that if there is a sort of Karma, Hitler is now a Jewish child, possibly handicapped, and feels victimized by Anti-Semitism.


Makes sense.

P.S. I'm aware that it's possible my reading of Jehova might be based off of wonkified translation or missing some other important thing. If you happen to know what that might be, please point it out.

[DarkBlade]

All the indications in the Torah point to that Adam and Eve weren't the first man and woman in the world. That the world was full of people and they were mostly still in the animal state, not much awareness of the world environs they're in and still with no developed human intelligence. They were people nonetheless. These were the people created on the sixth day and filled the world. Sexual activity was a function of this animal state.

With Adam and Eve, it was different. They were born into this world full of these people in this state and were the first to devolop an awareness of everything around them and human intelligence. Their purpose for attaining it was to raise this awareness in all the others. But something happened and they failed.

The accounting in Genesis points to all this and the Zohar hints of it, but it's time to go. Back tomorrow.

This is intersting... when you get back, could you point me to a source? I'd like too look into it.

[Paul McEnery]

It's sort of like Schrodinger's Box, then, with the box open from God's point of view, and the box closed from ours.
Of course, that doesn't actually make sense. An observer is an observer is an observer.

Me, I reckon the universe shifts its configuration from time to time, retrospectively picking different tracks. All the Time Wars stories we have are intimations of this.

[Jeff Brady]

i thought that was just a character from lord of the rings:confused:

Gollum: wantses the precious, yes he does. Wicked tricksey hobbitses...

Golem: very basically, a man made of clay (made by men, not in the way God created Adam & Eve). As Typo suggested, here's the Wiki article. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem)

[Iangould]

As for people who "leave"... well, you don't, really. You might not practice, but you never can leave. Hitler, in his own horrific fashion, taught us that.


For me personally, it was the bombing of the Jewish cultural centre in Buenos Aires that really brought that home.

[Iangould]

Dear Jew,

Are reformed Jews the ones that had to go to reform school?

A certain poster who will not be named thought Liberal Judaism was a political movement.

[Iangould]

Seriously, the endless facination with my people fascinates me.

Nah, it's an endless fascination with YOU.

[Iangould]

Dear Jew,

Given your comments on Hitler and reincarnation, is it possible that Hitler has been (or will be) reincarnated as a Jew?

[Typo Lad]

Dear Jew,

Given your comments on Hitler and reincarnation, is it possible that Hitler has been (or will be) reincarnated as a Jew?

Wouldn't that just be delicious? I hope he was.

[Iangould]

I have this vision of him being reincarnated repeatedly as a Jewish victim of antisemitism. So, for example, he'd be one of the victims of the Buenos aires boming; a child killed in a PLO attack; that guy in France recently who was kidnapped and tortured then murdered even after the ransom was paid...

[Typo Lad]

Is... is it wrong that the thought warms my heart?

Bad Typo. BAD!

[Iangould]

Well, you just need to remember it's for his own ultimate good.

[MichaelNetzer]

This is intersting... when you get back, could you point me to a source? I'd like too look into it.

The main source for the statement I made is within the accounting of creation itself in the book of Genesis.

The first step to understanding it is in realizing that the people created on the Sixth day of creation weren't Adam and Eve. How can we know this?

Although most sages say that the story of Adam and Eve is a retelling in detail of the general creation of mankind on the Sixth day, this opinion is not strictly unanimous. There's clear and evident reason to consider an alternative. The sages cite the use of the term "Toldot" (generations) as a vehicle of retelling prior instances in the Torah. BUT every time "Toldot" appears in the Torah, only the first one or two verses re-cap the past instances. What follows is always a telling of new events. Applying this to the story of Adam and Eve, which begins well after the first several verses of the second chapter, would indicate that the story of Adam and Eve occured after the first Creation Sabbath, and not on the Sixth day of creation, as is generally presumed.

The compelling evidence, however, is in the nature of the people created on the Sixth day and the difference between them and Adam and Eve. These first, created on the same day as the animals, were commanded to be fruitful and multiply. Adam and Eve were clearly not commnaded with this. One might say that it's implied that this is the reason Eve was created for Adam. The text however shows the opposite of this to be true.

When G-d saw that it wasn't good for the man to be alone, He said, I shall make a "help meet" for him. This term "Ezer Ca'Negdo" actually means "a helper who challenges him", implying that Adam needed intellectual/spiritual stimulation. BUT the next thing that happens is that G-d brings all the animals to Adam to see what he'll call them and whatever he called them, that was their name. THEN the text says "...but he found NO help meet for him." And so then, G-d not finding a stimulating partner for Adam with the animals, goes on to create the woman, Eve.

The clear implication here is that Eve WAS NOT created for the purpose of procreation - rather as a partner who would help Adam by challenging him spiritually and intellectually. Would G-d bring the animals to Adam for procreation? certainly not. This incident is very different from the one told previously where the people created on the Sixth day were clearly commanded to be fruitful and multiply. This clearly points to the idea that the linear story told here and the progressive series of events hold true. That these two incidents are separate and came through a gradual development where one situation was the prelude to the other.

The story of Adam and Eve begins by saying "...there was not a man to till the ground." This doesn't mean that there weren't any people around, rather that all the people present then, still in an animal state, were not yet creative partners with G-d in the world he's creating.

The Zohar explains the verse "in our image" as being the physical attribute to mankind, not the spiritual/intellectual. Meaning that the people created on the Sixth day were still without the broader awareness of the world around them - and the spiritual awareness/connection to G-d.

Darwin's theory of the development of man from the animal state begins to gain support when understanding Genesis this way.

The question was often asked, why would G-d create man on the same day as the animals who were created first on that Sixth day. The common answer given is to remind people to be humble because even a mosquito preceeded us. Well, this doesn't quite answer the question. Fishes and foul were created on the Fifth day and it would make sense to create the animals with them and create Mankind alone on the Sixth day. The animals would still preceed us and the edict would still hold. There's a deeper, underlying reason for the creation of mankind and the animals on the same day.

Interstingly, while the fishes and fouls were commanded with procreation on the Fifth day, the animals WERE NOT! One would wonder why not and the sages rarely touch on this point. The answer may well be that procreation is an animal state of being. This is why the animals receive this commandment from the one given to mankind on the same day. Adam and Eve, being in the perfect state of mankind, before their fall, would be above this state of being. Before the fall, they knew not about death and were intended to have everlasting life. Death came into the picture only after the fall. This would mean that not having an awareness of death, they would also not have an awareness of procreation.

This is the beginning of the idea but there's more and I'll follow up with it soon.

[MichaelNetzer]

Well, you just need to remember it's for his own ultimate good.

I wanted to say earlier but didn't get around to it. Comparing Hitler to the Anti-Christ is quite disingenuous to the AC. The Anti-Christ, according to legend, is quite the good chap, actually. Let's consider the legend and prophecy for a moment.

The Anti-Christ is to be revealed in the world as a man who plays the role of the Messiah but is in reality Satan. Well, prophecy and legend, based on the dreams of Daniel the prophet which inspired the Book or Revelations, tell of his rise on the world stage and bringing an age of peace and prosperity to the world. Then, when his mission is accomplished, he will be killed because he deceived the world into believing he's the Messiah. After he's killed, the true Messiah is then to be revealed to the world.

I would say that any madman claiming this role today must be one heckuva good guy, if he knows that he'll ultimately get killed for trying to bring peace and prosperity to a world as troubled with wars and poverty as ours is. The blood-thirsty attitude expressed towards the killing of the Anti-Christ, on the part of some religious zealots, is a little bewildering considering the piety they often profess.

So, I'm all for this guy and resent having him compared to Hitler, who had no sentiment of peace and prosperity for anyone actually, let alone his own people whom he purported to represent.

[Super Hero Guy]

Dear Jew,

what's the deal with that Messianic Connections thing?

[Typo Lad]

The who with the what now?

[Valmore]

Dear Mr. Practitioner of Judiasm -

How long was your wife in labor with your first child? Mine's been having actual contractions since last Wednesday and I'm dying of anticipation of the child finally arriving.

Sincerely,

Me.

[Erebus]

Dear Jew,

Can I borrow some of your Jew-gold? I need to buy a new oven.

[StoneGold]

Hey, Jew Watch is no longer then #1 Jew topic on Google.


Course, now it's Wikipedia, which might be worse.

[Typo Lad]

How long was your wife in labor with your first child? Mine's been having actual contractions since last Wednesday and I'm dying of anticipation of the child finally arriving.



From water-break to crowning, about 14 hours.

Sorry, not much help here.

[Davideaux]

Dear Jew,

Is there a question that we haven't asked that you want to answer?

[Iangould]

Dear Jew,

What is your opinion of Reconstructionist Judaism?

[Iangould]

Dear Jew,

Any comment on the following?

As genetic techniques have advanced, it has become possible to look directly into the question of the ancestry of the Palestinians. In recent years, many genetic surveys have suggested that — at least paternally — the various Jewish ethnic divisions and Palestinians, (and in some cases other Levantines) are genetically closer to each other than either is to the Arabs (of Arabia) or non-Jewish Europeans. [16] [17] [18] [19]([20] contains more links to genetic studies of Jewish and Middle Eastern populations). These studies look at the prevalence of specific inherited genetic differences (polymorphism) among populations, which then allow the relatedness of these populations to be determined, and their ancestry to be traced back (see population genetics). These differences can be the cause of genetic disease or be completely neutral (see Single nucleotide polymorphism) ; they can be inherited maternally (mitochondrial DNA), paternally (Y chromosome), or as a mixture from both parents ; the results obtained may vary from polymorphism to polymorphism. One study [21]on congenital deafness identified an allele only found in Palestinian and Ashkenazi communities, suggesting a common origin ; an investigation [22] of a Y-chromosome polymorphism found Lebanese, Palestinian, and Sephardic populations to be particularly closely related ; a third study [23], looking at Human leukocyte antigen differences among a broad range of populations, found Palestinians to be particularly closely related to Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews, as well as Middle-Eastern and Mediterranean populations....If this close relatedness is true, it would confirm both Jews' and Palestinians' historical claims, suggesting a common Northwest Semitic ancestry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

[Typo Lad]

Dear Jew,

What is your opinion of Reconstructionist Judaism?

The same opinion I have of every other denomination of any religion: It's not my place to tell others how to worship. If that's what works for them, awesome.

[Iangould]

The same opinion I have of every other denomination of any religion: It's not my place to tell others how to worship. If that's what works for them, awesome.

I almost knew you'd say that.

So if I asked the same question about Jewish Wicca, for example, I'd get the same response?

I'm just endlessly amazed at the Jewish ability to maintain a separate and unifying Jewish identity will disagreeing amongst themselves on virtually everything.

[Sandy Hausler]

I almost knew you'd say that.

So if I asked the same question about Jewish Wicca, for example, I'd get the same response?

I'm just endlessly amazed at the Jewish ability to maintain a separate and unifying Jewish identity will disagreeing amongst themselves on virtually everything.

Well, we are awesome, although we wouldn't all agree on that.

Sandy Hausler

[Iangould]

Well, we are awesome, although we wouldn't all agree on that.

Sandy Hausler

Yes, we would.

[Typo Lad]

I think that's the only thing we all agree on.

[Sandy Hausler]

Yes, we would.

No, we wouldn't.<g>

Sandy Hausler

[Paul McEnery]

Dear Jew,

Can I borrow some of your Jew-gold? I need to buy a new oven.
Ooh, you might want to consider the tactfulness of that question.

And flang some apologies at the board PDQ.

[Erebus]

Ooh, you might want to consider the tactfulness of that question.

And flang some apologies at the board PDQ.
It's a joke. If you want, you could say that I have a small penis, or that I do a bad job doing your dry-cleaning (being Asian and all).

[DarkBlade]

Well the level of appropriateness depends on whether you were referencing the holocaust regarding your oven comment there. If you were, incredibly bad form.

[Jack Tango]

I think someone stiffed a very mouthy delivery boy on a tip once.

Seriously? Slander. There are no more cheap Jews than there are cheap anything else.

Coming in late on this one, sorry.

I work in a hotel, and I can say that, in all honesty, this is absolutely true.

However, there are umpteen cultures and peoples that are not shy in their desire to barter on prices. Most people in North American find this jarring outside of a car lot.

I can, still, say that of the guests we get that tend to barter on the rates, the majority of them tend to be Hasidic Jews; I find, however, this is due to the fact that they represent a higher proporition of the previously mentioned "unshy bartering" cultures to visit my city than the others. It doesn't mean in any way that they are "cheap" compared to anyone else.

[Typo Lad]

Semetic cultures are bargain cultures. Has nothing to o with "cheap".

[Typo Lad]

You could always chose to ignore it if it was not your sense of humor. I found it to be a cute attempt at humor.

[StoneGold]

You could always chose to ignore it if it was not your sense of humor. I found it to be a cute attempt at humor.
Especially since it was a pretty obvious swipe from South Park.



And I saw this as someone who has made his share of obvious swipes.

[Typo Lad]

Re: Genetics of Palestinians and Jews.

Unsurprising. After all, if they're the children of Yishmael (Ishamel) and we the children of Yitzchack (Issac), then we're just different branches of the same family tree.

The whole Middle Eastern struggle used to basically just be us squabling over who grandad left the good silver to.

Then our spouses (England, Christianity, the USSR, the US etc) got involved and thigns escalated.

Family reunions are awkward.

[Iangould]

Semetic cultures are bargain cultures. Has nothing to o with "cheap".

Same for the Hakka/Fujianese/Cantonese culture which most overseas Chinese communities derive from.

Singaporean customers, for example, will almost reflexively ask "discount for cash?" in my shop.

Of course, when I say "no" they'll happily drop several hundred dollars anyway.

[Iangould]

Re: Genetics of Palestinians and Jews.

Unsurprising. After all, if they're the children of Yishmael (Ishamel) and we the children of Yitzchack (Issac), then we're just different branches of the same family tree.

The whole Middle Eastern struggle used to basically just be us squabling over who grandad left the good silver to.

Then our spouses (England, Christianity, the USSR, the US etc) got involved and thigns escalated.

Family reunions are awkward.

See I think it also says that many of the Palestinians are the descendants (in part anyway) of Jews who converted to Christianity in the pre-muslim era (remember than Christianity started as a Jewish heresy) or who apostosized after the wars of 69 AD and 120 AD to avoid the ban on Jews living in the former land of Israel.

Which rather tends to undercut the whole "The Jews are just reclaiming the land stolen off them by the arabs" line of rhetoric (which I know you've never subscribed to).

[Bouncing Boy]

Dear Jew,

Have you seen the new movie of the Producers yet (I own it on DVD), and if you have, what did you think of it?

[Bouncing Boy]

Did I kill this thread?

[Typo Lad]

No, sorry, the Holiday of Shavuot did.

I haven't seen the original movie or the play or the movie on the play.

I keep meaning to, but never find the time.

[Grazzt]

Hey Jew!

Can you take a sad song and make it better?

[Typo Lad]

No, nor do i hate him because he's pieces of me.

[Super Hero Guy]

I have it on good authority that a prostitute thinks Jewish men are the best lovers. Thoughts?

[Typo Lad]

Goodness I don't know. I'd like to think so.

[Gilda Dent]

Semetic cultures are bargain cultures. Has nothing to o with "cheap".

Bah. You guys have nothing on a Filipina in a Filipino market.

Gilda

[jessecuster]

I have it on good authority that a prostitute thinks Jewish men are the best lovers. Thoughts?


Its all about the Girth... ask anyone !

[Iangould]

Dear Jew,

Have you heard the joke that starts out: "why are little Jewish boys circumcised on the third day?"

[MichaelNetzer]

I have it on good authority that a prostitute thinks Jewish men are the best lovers. Thoughts?

I don't know about best lovers, but most discriminate when making payment arrangements, perhaps.

The joke tells of an Italian, Frenchman and a Jew going to a brothel which charges $10/inch.

After the Italian went in and returned, the Frenchman and Jew asked him how much he paid. His answer was $70. His friends were very impressed.

After the Frenchman went in and returned, the Italian and Jew asked him how much he paid. His answer was $80. His friends were even more impressed.

After the Jew went in and returned, the Italian and Frenchman asked him how much he paid. His answer was $20.

Oh, you poor man, they exclaimed.

Not at all, replied the Jew. I paid on the way out.

[Iangould]

So this Jewish busienssman is travelling on business and calls up an escort agency and hires a prostitute.

She shows up at his hotel room and she waits while he takes a shower.

He finishes the shower and she waits some more but he doesn't come out of the bathroom.

She goes over and looks in the bathroom to check he's okay and he's sittign on the toilet masturbating.

"What? For 150 bucks you expect me to make this easy for you?"

[Typo Lad]

Dear Jew,

Have you heard the joke that starts out: "why are little Jewish boys circumcised on the third day?"

Um, no, but Jews circumcize on the 8th, so i already don't get it.

[MichaelNetzer]

Um, no, but Jews circumcize on the 8th, so i already don't get it.

The suspense will destroy us Ian. How does the Joke continue?

[MichaelNetzer]

Is there no way to delete a double post caused by a flippant server?

[Iangould]

"So they know what to expect."

[Typo Lad]

I don't get it.

[Dreadstar]

I don't get it.

Me either.

[MichaelNetzer]

"So they know what to expect."

I believe he means like in "The Life of Brian".

[Iangould]

THe implication is that the rest of their life isn't going to get much better.

[Typo Lad]

But why three days instead of 8?

[MichaelNetzer]

THe implication is that the rest of their life isn't going to get much better.

In that case the joke should be "why are little Jewish boys circumcised on the EIGHTH day?"

By saying the 3rd, you draw significant attention to a Christian day, which is now clear that wasn't your intention.

Still cute.

[Iangould]

Because it's 4.45 AM here and I'm posting drunk.

[MichaelNetzer]

But why three days instead of 8?

It was a long time ago and he's probably forgotten.

[Typo Lad]

It's hard to forget.

[MichaelNetzer]

It's hard to forget.

I have this vivid memory of the moment I was born, emerging head first and immediately noticing an image which I later realized was a prominent sign over the door of the delivery room with the letters "C-3". When this memory nudged me later in life, I investigated the hospital and discovered that this was the number of the delivery room in which I was born.

And to this day, no one believes me, but I enjoy telling the story anyway.

Now, could Ian be even more drunk than this?

[Typo Lad]

I missed you Michael. I missed you lots.

[Grazzt]

A catholic priest and a rabbi are put together in a railroad car and start talking. They both discover that they have much in common and an instant friendship begins.

As they continue talking, their respective religions eventually become the topic of discussion (though in a light and respectful manner). The priest, almost teasingly, asks the rabbi if he's ever eaten pork.

The rabbi is thoroughly embarassed and admits that he did eat pork once, but it was a long time ago when he was younger and hadn't felt his connection with his religion yet.

After making this admission, the rabbi decides to counter by asking the priest if he's ever had sex. It is the priests turn to blush as he admits that, yes, he did have sex, but that it was long before he realised his calling to the church.

A rather awkward silence followed these twin confessions. It was broken by the rabbi, who said, quite simply: "Its better than pork, huh?"

[Typo Lad]

Again, I don't get it.

[Iangould]

Again, I don't get it.

Which would you choose to renounce if you had a choice?

[Puma]

just not getting the funny with that one

[LtMarvel]

Again, I don't get it.
HA! I did actually get that one!

[Typo Lad]

Which would you choose to renounce if you had a choice?
But it's different. With Priest's they're the only ones in their religion who give it up; no Jew (well, no religious Jew) eats pork.

[Solaris]

Okay. So, Troy didn't want to do the Tavern when we picked him up this evening, and nothing else seemed appealing to me... so I said, "Hey, why don't we go ahead and check out that Broadway Cafe?" So we did.

While we were there, we asked a few questions. Yes, they're not only kosher, the restaurant is *physically* divided: the left restaurant is meat (I forget what rating he said, throw some words at me here), and the right is dairy. We ate on the meat side. They're open from 5 am to 9 pm, Sunday through Thursday.

The food was very good. I loved the salad I had, especially their citrus vinigrette dressing. The bread was great too. Troy said the meatloaf he had was good, and I enjoyed the grilled eggplant I had (wrapped around mushrooms and spinach, with a marinara type sauce). Finn had a burger and fries---and those were some of the best fries I've ever had (I stole a few). ;)

I recall mentioning the hand washing facilities; got a good look at them tonight. It's a sink, with a couple of black plastic pitchers.

Now for the really fun stuff:

Shortly after we got our food, a party of seven came in (middle aged on up). Finn had to go to the restroom *again*, so Troy took him this time. On his way back, Finn was moving faster than Troy, and the older gentleman at the end of their table snagged Finn, and said "Caught ya!" Introductions and conversation ensued, and at one point the man was playing with Finn on the floor, with his trains. Finn made a friend. His name (I remember it, and that's something for *me*) was Herb Mendel. Very kind, friendly fellow---reminded me a lot of the store owner from my hometown, whom I've mentioned to you before, Joe Stock. He was a very sweet gentleman (Mr. Mendel), and brought back a lot of fond memories of visits to Mr. Stock's store when I was a kid.

Anyway, it was delightful. :) (Also, I was happy to note that all the gentlemen at the table were wearing their yamulkes (sp?). I read the blog about "going out naked in public," heh.) :D

So, if you guys ever come down, I know where we'd like to take you. The Broadway has also been added to our list of "good places to eat," in general.

Just had to share; we had a wonderful time.

By the way, I know your dad lectures, but what does he *do*? Is he an official lecturer, a professor, or what? And where is it that Suzannah works again? I remember it's a religious college, but never caught the name.

[Typo Lad]

That sounds like a fun place Solaris. Restaurants with a meat and dairy "side" are becoming more and more common it seems. We never had them when I was a kid. A restaurant was either meat or dairy. The term he may have used with you is "flieshig", which means "meat".

The food sounds good. I'm a sucker for good fries.

I love the story about the older gentleman and the yarmulkas (spell it however you like dahlink).

As for my dad, he used to be the Senior Assistant to Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, with his specialty being the Middle East. When the late Senator retired, he worked for the State Controller long enough to earn his pension. He's currently co-chair of the political science department of the a women's college, where he used to be an associate Dean of Students as well. He still gets to use the title "Dean", as he is a founding Dean. My grandfather taught there as well for a bit, which is fun. Why? Because I worked there in tech support (that was the awful job I kept talking about - IT for all the colleges in this university). Three generations of my family have worked there.

As for Suzannah, she's currently Assistant to the Dean of the Graduate School of Judaic Studies at the same school. He's an amazing man.

Note that I never say the school's name? That's because I don't want to tarnish it with the bad stories I have told of my experiences working there. It really is a wonderful place, especially the Women's College.

[Justin Davis]

Hey, Morts, did you get my PM the other day? I had an Israel food section to complete in a textbook and asked for your help. Thanks a lot, jerk!

Of course, I immediately had to go to lunch after reading all of the recipes. Holy crap, some of that sounded delicious.

[Typo Lad]

Sorry, I've been busy at work.

And you should make the food. I bet you'll like it.

[Justin Davis]

Sorry, I've been busy at work.

And you should make the food. I bet you'll like it.

I’ve actually had some, or variations, at restaurants with Greek, Mediterranean, and Lebanese food. Here are three of the links I’m using in case you’re interested or want to try a few new recipes yourself.

Beyond Milk and Honey (http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/mfa/facts%20about%20israel/israeli%20cuisine/beyond%20milk%20and%20honey%20-%20israeli%20recipes%20-%20jan-95)

Diverse Ethnic Input (http://www.stratsplace.com/rogov/israel/ethnic_input.htm)

Middle Eastern Recipes (http://www.ummah.net/family/recipes.html)

[LtMarvel]

So, Mr. Lad, how's the family?

[Typo Lad]

Very good, thanks for asking. Yours?

[Bouncing Boy]

No, sorry, the Holiday of Shavuot did.

I haven't seen the original movie or the play or the movie on the play.

I keep meaning to, but never find the time.
I can't help you with the play, but if you want to borrow the original movie and the remake movie I can mail them to you as long as you promise to mail them back when you're done watching them. It may be a while because I promised my mom I'd let her borrow the new version after she watches her mother's day gift (the DVD of the movie To Kill A Mockingbird).

[Iangould]

I’ve actually had some, or variations, at restaurants with Greek, Mediterranean, and Lebanese food. [/URL]

I can't remember where I heard it but supposedly there's a Kosher restaurant somewhere run by an African-American Jew and his Korean wife called "Seoul Food".

[LtMarvel]

Very good, thanks for asking. Yours?
Good, good. My little girl is going to pre-K this summer (she gets $100 for going...where were these kind of offers when I was a kid?). I'm on the teaching end of summer school. Then I rest and relax with the wife and kid...

[Super Hero Guy]

Dear Jew,

what do y'all do on Christmas?

[Typo Lad]

Go to work like any other day.

[Sandy Hausler]

Go to work like any other day.

No, we don't. We go to the movies.<g>

Sandy Hausler

[Mike Smash!]

Morts,

What are you favorite/least favorite portrayals of a Jewish character in fiction?

Favorite Jewish superhero?

[Typo Lad]

You know, I've never really given it any thought. Really.

[Solaris]

Dear Jew,

what do y'all do on Christmas?


Well, I know a lot of our local Jews here in Atlanta volunteer to take the work shifts on Christmas (hospital staffs, police, etc.) so that their Christian co-workers can have the day with their family. I don't know if the Christians do the same for the Jews, for Jewish holy days, but if they don't, they damn well OUGHT to.

I just think it's a really nice thing, that they do. :)

[Paul McEnery]

Well, I know a lot of our local Jews here in Atlanta volunteer to take the work shifts on Christmas (hospital staffs, police, etc.) so that their Christian co-workers can have the day with their family. I don't know if the Christians do the same for the Jews, for Jewish holy days, but if they don't, they damn well OUGHT to.

I just think it's a really nice thing, that they do. :)
That's really cool.

Answers some of those questions that came up a few months back about needing to take Sundays off.

Answer: Hire a Jew! They can trade off!

[DarkBlade]

Conversely, mom, I know a few pagans who are well fed up with scheduling treatment because it's known that they aren't Jewish or Christian and don't need either of those holidays off for personal reasons, regardless of the fact that often times a lot of their family is, and they still like to get together with them around the holidays. (Said folks have also reported difficulty getting off for sabbats and the like.)

~DB
Tangential!

[StoneGold]

Conversely, mom, I know a few pagans who are well fed up with scheduling treatment because it's known that they aren't Jewish or Christian and don't need either of those holidays off for personal reasons, regardless of the fact that often times a lot of their family is, and they still like to get together with them around the holidays. (Said folks have also reported difficulty getting off for sabbats and the like.)

~DB
Tangential!
Tell them you need off for the Feast of Maximum Occupancy.

[Mike Smash!]

You know, I've never really given it any thought. Really.Well, give it a thought.

I certainly know that I've never grown out of the "it's sort of cool to have a superhero like me."

A few Jewish superheroes I can think of are the Thing, Shadowcat and Atom Smasher.

[Typo Lad]

Well that stinks.

[Mike Smash!]

Well that stinks.But isn't Shabbas on Saturday? It seems like that would work out for both Jews and Christians each getting a weekend day off.

Atheists like me end up working both days. :(

[Typo Lad]

Eh. Kitty Pryde isn't all that "Jewish". Her Judaism is as token as Nightcrawler's being German or Pioter being Russian - except she doesn't even get any catch-phrases.

Now, favorite Jewish comic book creators...

[Typo Lad]

But isn't Shabbas on Saturday? It seems like that would work out for both Jews and Christians each getting a weekend day off.

As I understand, a Sabbath and Shabbat are not exactly the same thing.

Right Rindalicious?

Atheists like me end up working both days. :(

That's why I love the company i work for. You can chose to take a "special" day out of a set of days based on how many years you've worked there. It can be a religious holiday (assuming it's on the list). It's really nice.

[Gaz]

Eh. Kitty Pryde isn't all that "Jewish". Her Judaism is as token as Nightcrawler's being German or Pioter being Russian - except she doesn't even get any catch-phrases.

Now, favorite Jewish comic book creators...
I can think of at least one or two stories where Kitty is most definitely Jewish, more so than Daredevil's Catholic anyway. Whether you'd consider her so is of course your opinion.:)

(I'm thinking particularly post Piotr's death and her dad's...)

[Typo Lad]

Post her dads? I only saw in Ellis's run, where I didn't see it.

Can you cite issues?

[Gaz]

Post her dads? I only saw in Ellis's run, where I didn't see it.

Can you cite issues?
Actually, now that I really think, I'm not that sure of it. It would almost certainly be the Mekanix set-up, though, which says Unlimited to me.

[StoneGold]

Eh. Kitty Pryde isn't all that "Jewish". Her Judaism is as token as Nightcrawler's being German or Pioter being Russian - except she doesn't even get any catch-phrases.

Now, favorite Jewish comic book creators...
She's Jewish, she's just not very religious.

[Typo Lad]

It's not just the "religious" think StoneGold. it's the "Unless someone came out and said it, you'd never know" aspect.

She's the perfect representative of the Assimilated Jew, on a cult