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Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 05:08 AM

Maybe this has already been asked, but what's the teaching regarding life after death in your faith?

I'm going to be lazy and cut and paste my original answer from may of 05.. Forgive me.

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This one keeps coming up.

From Judiasm101:

Traditional Judaism firmly believes that death is not the end of human existence. However, because Judaism is primarily focused on life here and now rather than on the afterlife, Judaism does not have much dogma about the afterlife, and leaves a great deal of room for personal opinion. It is possible for an Orthodox Jew to believe that the souls of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven, or that they are reincarnated through many lifetimes, or that they simply wait until the coming of the messiah, when they will be resurrected. Likewise, Orthodox Jews can believe that the souls of the wicked are tormented by demons of their own creation, or that wicked souls are simply destroyed at death, ceasing to exist.

more (http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm)

It has all the info you could want, including how many Jews (myself included) believe in reincarnation and what Heaven/Hell are, and how no one really stays in Hell "forever". All points I've made elsehwere in this thread.
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Jewfaq.org is an awesome site. The catch is you already have to kind of know what you're looking for.

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 05:16 AM

Thoughts on the trendy Kaballah?

Well, in last June I said :

I tell ya, it bothers me somewhat to see it co-opted as a flavor of the month thing. I was raised that someone shouldn't begin to try to understand Kaballah until they've mastered the Talmud. To me, it's like trying to study Qunatum Physics without knowing the laws of thermordynamics. Still, if people are finding peace through it, more power to them.

Although it DOES disturb me seeing so called devotees like Madonna acting in a fashion that is counter to Torah teachings.

Now that I'm learning more and more about the movement, I'm more disturbed. I'm glad to see people suing them for extortion and the like. Not glad because they're suffering, but glad because it puts the hypocracy of some of what they do in the public eye.

I'm still freaked out by seeing celebs in red strings or Kaballah "water".

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 06:50 AM

I was re-reading this thread and came across a comment of mine:

I have to see if there's a Kosher Carvel near me. Doubtful. Found one in Brooklyn though. There used to be one up the block from me.

It turns out there is one and that they actually still make Cookie Puss! This is the first Kosher Carvel I've found that makes it.

We're waiting for a special occasion.

Super Hero Guy

03-17-2006, 09:05 AM

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 09:10 AM

Just a question. Do you know whether it's true that Judaism at first did not believe in any kind of afterlife and thought the LORD rewarded good behaviour with treasure and happiness here on Earth?

Never have I heard of such a concept. The afterlife was always, to my knowledge, part of the Jewish Faith.

On that note, if some Jews like you believe in reincarnation, is it similar to the Hindu believe that if you were bad in a past life you come back in a lower form and have a worst life and if you were good you come back in a good life?

Nope. Human every time, with the exception of Gilguls, which aren't "real" reincarnation.

Tom

03-17-2006, 09:13 AM

Morts, check your PM. I need your Jew-fu.

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 09:18 AM

Morts, check your PM. I need your Jew-fu.

Will do.

And a happy Saint Patrick's to you!

Loren

03-17-2006, 09:34 AM

They censor it on Comedy Central here. They bleep out the N word so the whole "The sheriff's a'near" gag doesn't work.

And it's incomprehensible when everybody's gathered together to build the fake Rock Ridge, and one of the town leaders says "We'll take the...but we won't take the Irish."

Bouncing Boy

03-17-2006, 10:07 AM

Dear Jew,

Have you ever heard of Soy Vay? (http://www.soyvay.com) They make kosher chinese sauces and marinades.

From the label of the bottle:
About Soy Vay: Our company came to be when a Jewish boy and a Chinese girl began talking about a common interest: cooking. We soon realized that by combining the best of our families' cooking secrets, we could create new and unique tastes. The result -- Soy Vey! Our first product, the original Soy Vay Chinese Marinade quickly gained a large following of fans. Next came Soy Vay Veri Veri Teriyaki. It's not like other brands of Teriyaki commercially available. Only Veri Veri Teriyaki contains fresh garlic, ginger, sesame seeds, preservative free soy sauce and expeller pressed oils. As a resuld, Veri Veri Teriyaki has a genuine Tariyaki taste that's out of this world!

It's very good stuff, but I'm not sure if it's available on the east cost. The company works out of California, and I don't remember seeing it at all when I was living in New York.

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 10:20 AM

Fascinating. I did not know of this.

Solaris

03-17-2006, 11:00 AM

Just a question. Do you know whether it's true that Judaism at first did not believe in any kind of afterlife and thought the LORD rewarded good behaviour with treasure and happiness here on Earth?

On that note, if some Jews like you believe in reincarnation, is it similar to the Hindu believe that if you were bad in a past life you come back in a lower form and have a worst life and if you were good you come back in a good life?

Taking time to correct terminology here...

"Reincarnation" involves coming back as a human. No other form.

"Transmigration" involves coming back as various creatures, including but not limited to humans... you could even come back as a rock.

A lot of people think reincarnation's definition is really the one for transmigration. The only thing the two theories have in common is that the person comes back, and that under "transmigration" a person *might* come back as a person, but it's in no way guaranteed.

:)

Solaris

03-17-2006, 11:02 AM

Morts, check your PM. I need your Jew-fu.

Jew-fu. I love that.

*hugs Tom AND Morts*

You two made me smile. :)

Solaris

03-17-2006, 11:04 AM

Never have I heard of such a concept. The afterlife was always, to my knowledge, part of the Jewish Faith.

Nope. Human every time, with the exception of Gilguls, which aren't "real" reincarnation.

What are Gilguls? (And yes, I'm smiling because of the sound similarity to "giggles") :D

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 11:07 AM

What are Gilguls? (And yes, I'm smiling because of the sound similarity to "giggles") :D

A person coming back as an animal or their soul possessing an animal to complete un finished business.

Solaris

03-17-2006, 11:18 AM

I'm going to be lazy and cut and paste my original answer from may of 05.. Forgive me.

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This one keeps coming up.

From Judiasm101:

more (http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm)

It has all the info you could want, including how many Jews (myself included) believe in reincarnation and what Heaven/Hell are, and how no one really stays in Hell "forever". All points I've made elsehwere in this thread.
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Jewfaq.org is an awesome site. The catch is you already have to kind of know what you're looking for.

I love this thought:

The souls of the righteous are reborn in to continue the ongoing process of tikkun olam, mending of the world.

and this

Belief in reincarnation is also one way to explain the traditional Jewish belief that every Jewish soul in history was present at Sinai and agreed to the covenant with G-d. (Another explanation: that the soul exists before the body, and these unborn souls were present in some form at Sinai).

"Mending the world." What a simple phrase to describe such a powerful, ongoing concept, action, and love.

If I were Jewish, I'd ascribe to the latter idea of unborn souls being present in some form at Sinai.

I had no idea that so many of my beliefs were parallel/in common in some way with Jewish beliefs. (I'm also referring to some other parts of his text as well, not just what I quoted above.)

for example...

Do non-Jews have a place in Olam Ha-Ba? ... By the time of Rambam, the belief was firmly entrenched that the righteous of all nations have a share in the Olam Ha-Ba.

Beautiful.

In an aside, I now know where Madeline L'Engle got a character name for a person in her book, "Many Waters"... Oholibamah. (In the book, she was the wife of Japeth (sp?). If you've never read the book, Morts, I think you'd enjoy it---two modern boys accidentally set off a device their superscientist father was working on (for tesseracting) and end up in the time and place of Noah. Wonderful book, and a quick read, since it was written for young readers/teens.

Solaris

03-17-2006, 11:21 AM

A person coming back as an animal or their soul possessing an animal to complete un finished business.

Ah. I've often conceived of this as being a rarity, but a possibility in some cases. For instance, a person coming back as a dog in order to pay a life debt, because at some point it will offer the "dog" the chance to save that person's life. Or a dolphin saving a swimmer, or any number of other things. "Temporary Possession" of an animal to do the same could work as well. Or, maybe, like a family dog "somehow" leading a widow to the spot where her dead husband hid his stock certificates... stuff like that. I see it as being a special exception to the normal route of reincarnation, but that it might happen/be allowed for such special circumstances.

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 11:30 AM

Solaris, that's Gilgul in a nutshell.

You're a very, very wise woman, you know that?

Solaris

03-17-2006, 12:01 PM

Solaris, that's Gilgul in a nutshell.

You're a very, very wise woman, you know that?

*happy grin and hugs*

Well... I think that when one pursues spiritual wisdom with an open mind and open heart... it tends to lead people in the same general direction, whatever their faith nominally is, and/or whatever the specifics of that faith. :D I've been chasing it a long time now, and I've caught a few pieces, here and there. It's very humbling, though, when you realize how much more is out there to learn and make a part of yourself. Makes you realize that you're still just wearing toddler shoes. Heh. When things happen in my life like I described in the "Forgiveness" thread... it reminds me of just how far I have left to go, and how sometimes I still miss things that are right under my nose.

I love you too, Morts---and you are a very wise man. I can safely give you the highest accolade I know of, in terms of wisdom: You keep searching for more of it, and you try to apply it into your life whenever and however you can.

You may not see it, but I'm certain that your portion in Olam Ha-Ba will be a rich one.

:)

Typo Lad

03-17-2006, 12:04 PM

Solaris

03-17-2006, 12:38 PM

Youc annot see it, but I am blushing.

Sadly, I know myself and my deeds well enough to know that my neshama soul will likely not make it to Olam-Habah on this try. My goal now is to aim for Gehenim, although unless I rapidly improve in some areas, I can safely say i'll see you all in the next life.

You know, you gentiles have it easy; seven wee laws.

Well, it may, and it may not... but I think whatever Teachers you have on the other side will be, in the main, very proud of you, and will be gentle in helping you correct your faults.

PS---we all have faults, and sins against our own souls. As I mentioned in another thread here, I have one which I won't state in public that I am *still* trying to forgive myself for... because it was so counter to who and what I am, and believe, and love... and it may take me my whole life and beyond to get to where I can truly forgive myself for it. But in being fair, it's also one thing among the very many things I've done in and with my life. I have several that I have repented of, and wish I could "do over"... and I just have to live with the fact that what is past is past, and all I can do is to try to be better in the future. So, while it and a few other things are aching spots in my soul that still haven't healed... they aren't *all* of me, and I have other spots that shine quite brightly. :)

I think you're ignoring your shining spots, and focusing too much on the aching ones, Morts, in evaluating yourself. But that's okay---if you don't fix that now, I'm sure the Teachers will help you see it, on the other side. :)

Forefinger

03-17-2006, 12:42 PM

Solaris

03-17-2006, 12:58 PM

*continuing to briefly peruse the site before running off to do housework*

[Rabbi] Hillel, on the other hand, converted the gentile by telling him, "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it."

*happy*

I think I would've liked this Rabbi Hillel very much... and some others mentioned on the site as well.

Super Hero Guy

03-17-2006, 03:13 PM

Solaris

03-17-2006, 03:15 PM

Uh sorry, but I think that Morts and Solaris both misinterpreted my question. I can see where I went wrong, using the term "lower form". I was talking about the Hindu chaste (sp?) system where you have the wealthy and priveleged at the top and the poor at the bottom. So, to rephrase my question, if you were bad in a past life, will you be reborn in a really shitty (but human) life?

Ah, the caste system! Hmmm. That's a good question.

Morts probably won't be back on to field this one till tomorrow, since it's after 6pm on Friday now---Sabbath time---but from what I would guess, no, I don't *think* the Jews ascribe to that. I could be wrong, tho'. :D

Typo Lad

03-18-2006, 04:13 PM

Kid Omega

03-18-2006, 04:40 PM

Forgive me if I've asked this already, but...

Why are the Hassidim so awful?

Iangould

03-18-2006, 05:01 PM

Naw, we don't have anything like that to my knowledge.

Didn't one of the leaders of Shas get into trouble for suggesting that Holocaust victims were being punished for their sins in past lifes?

Iangould

03-18-2006, 05:04 PM

Just a question. Do you know whether it's true that Judaism at first did not believe in any kind of afterlife and thought the LORD rewarded good behaviour with treasure and happiness here on Earth?

Not exactly. however I have heard the view expressed that if God is just and loving then you know he'll do the right thing by you when you die so you should concentrate on getting things right here and now (by obeying his laws).

Iangould

03-18-2006, 05:06 PM

New topic: the supermarket near me just started carrying Kosher food - most of it imported from the US or Israel.

What is the one item of kosher food which I should really try?

nubly

03-19-2006, 09:02 AM

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 09:09 AM

What 7 are those eh?
WikiPedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_Laws)has an okay handle on this:

1. Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods.

Typo Sez: Many commentaries translate this as a commandment to be monotheists.

2. Shefichat damim - Do not murder.
3. Gezel - Do not steal (or kidnap).
4.Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (forbidden sexual acts are traditionally interpreted to include incest, bestiality, male homosexual sex acts and adultery.)

Typo Sez: Whoever wrote this wiki never studied Maimondoies, it seems, as he does not include homosexuality.

5. Birkat Hashem - Do not "bless God" euphemistically referring to blasphemy.
6.Ever min ha-chai - Do not eat any flesh that was torn from the body of a living animal (given to Noah and traditionally interpreted as a prohibition of cruelty towards animals)
7.Dinim - Do not permit oppression or anarchy to rule. Set up a system of honest, effective courts, police and laws to uphold the last six laws.

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 09:11 AM

*continuing to briefly peruse the site before running off to do housework*

How very June Cleaver of you!

*happy*

I think I would've liked this Rabbi Hillel very much... and some others mentioned on the site as well.

Rav Hillel's a wonderful sage and the one we all follow these days. I think you may have taken issue with his main "rival" Rav Shammai, who tended to be much strickter. Rav Hiller, as I recall, held that we were not on the level to worship as Beit Shammai wished.

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 09:13 AM

Forgive me if I've asked this already, but...

Why are the Hassidim so awful?

I think you just bring it out in them.

Seriously though, there are scores of Chassidic (note the C at the front there, folks) sects. Some of them, alas, do not encourage interpersonal skills as much as they should. This is also a problem with the current generation of Orthodox Jews, and something I often publicly lament, rather vocally.

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 09:17 AM

Didn't one of the leaders of Shas get into trouble for suggesting that Holocaust victims were being punished for their sins in past lifes?

Politicians, what are you gonna do?

Seriously though, one's past life's affect one's current, but not to the extent of caste systems. Think of it as an experimenter being able to bring back the same white mouse over and over and run the same test, each time noting the things that were to hard and focusing on them the next time.

Not exactly. however I have heard the view expressed that if God is just and loving then you know he'll do the right thing by you when you die so you should concentrate on getting things right here and now (by obeying his laws).

Heard that too. Focus on your own Olam Habah (world to come) by helping others in Olam Hazeh (this world). A great philosophy.

New topic: the supermarket near me just started carrying Kosher food - most of it imported from the US or Israel.

What is the one item of kosher food which I should really try?

Gee wiz, that's a large range to cover.

Still, if we're talking yum factor.... Milkies. Pudding with this whipped topping. Expensive when imported.

Michael P

03-19-2006, 09:18 AM

"Transmigration" involves coming back as various creatures, including but not limited to humans... you could even come back as a rock.

And I'm now imagining the Peanuts gang being transmigrated, with everyone getting great new animal forms: Linus is an eagle, Schroeder is a Nightingale, Lucy is a tiger shark, Peppermint Patty is a coyote...

And poor Charlie Brown is sitting somewhere in the Utah desert saying, "I got a rock."

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 09:21 AM

why do jews think that jesus isnt the son of god. or not the prophet.

Because anthropomorphizing (it's a real word, go look it up) G-d is a major sin, for one thing. G-d isn't "human", He can't have "kids". False Prophecy and being a False Messiah are also heavy sins. In short, Jesus was a fascinating philosopher but very much a blasphemer, though not as much as those who followed him were.

No offense meant to my Christian cousins.

for that matter, why do some christians and catholics say that god, jesus and the holy spirit is the same being yet other christians and catholics say they arent. if its all the same religion and the same god then why cant they all agree?

I have no idea. Quite frankly, it all smacks of retconning. Much like the Romans incorporated religions of conquered nations into their own Pantheon, the Chruch has often shown a tendency to attempt to incorporate bits from other religions to "appeal" to the "pagans". Christmas Trees are an example.

In my eyes, it's like DC buying out Fawcette and suddenly having Superman and Captain marvel on the same Earth. It just doesn't "work" to me.

Michael P

03-19-2006, 09:27 AM

It's like Pre-Crisis Jesus vs. Post-Crisis Jesus!

The Dosadi Experiment

03-19-2006, 09:27 AM

what do you think of homosexuals and homosexuality?

i_mmmchocolate

03-19-2006, 09:29 AM

What's your favorite dinner (for Shabbos or otherwise)?

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 10:05 AM

It's like Pre-Crisis Jesus vs. Post-Crisis Jesus!

Did you read the issue where Pre-Crisis Jesus marries Pre-Crisis Mary Magdeline? Not cannon anymore, obviously...

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 10:08 AM

What's your favorite dinner (for Shabbos or otherwise)?

Depends on my mood.

Fried Chicken with Mashed Potatoes is always a winner, especially if it's my own recipe.

Dairy, Fettucinni Alfedo with a salad on the side is yum, especially with garlic bread.

Suzannah also makes this awesome Garlic Chicken and this amazing beef stew. There were a few Shabbosim in a row where we had Garlic Chicken friday night and the Beef Stew done in a slow-cooker overnight for lunch. YUM!

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 10:18 AM

what do you think of homosexuals and homosexuality?

And so our intrepid hero opens a lovely can of worms

Actually, my views on both are rather well known.

1) The verse in Devarim (Leviticus to the King Jamsers out there) is commonly mis-translated. Toeyvah does not mean "abomination", but "Sin in the eyes of the L-rd". This term is used to refer only to certain sins and all are ones that only G-d has any say in. This also includes cheating in business.

2) The verse only refers to the act, not the orientation. Being a homosexual is not a sin. However, homosexual intercourse is. However, as noted above, it is between a man, his partner, and G-d. No-one else has any right to judge. A homosexualy active Jew can still be an active participant in the Jewish community.

3) The verse in Devarim refers only to Jews. According to many scholars, including the Rambam (aka Maimonodies), Homosexual activities are not a sin for those not of the covenant. This is how I personally hold.

4) Homosexuality is something one is born with. One can repress it if one choses to, much as one can chose to be celibate, but that does not change the fact that one is a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that. Claiming that it is something that needs to be "cured" is a bit sick.

5) Everyone sins in one way or another. I know I do. When we die, our sins are measured against our good deeds. Having homosexual relations is just one sin. I do not doubt that there are homosexual Jews who will get into heaven far, far before I do, for example.

6) I hate discussing this because my words are often taken incorrectly and I either offend or find them twisted to support bigotry. This is nothing new. My own father was horrified to see his name in the "acknowledgments" section of a vile hate book called "The Pink Swastika". Did you know that Homosexuals were behind the holocaust? I didn't either. Maybe that's because we're not delusional...

The Dosadi Experiment

03-19-2006, 10:37 AM

ok... and now a recap of the ultra defensive mode...

It's only bad to be gay when you're a jew?

Solaris

03-19-2006, 11:01 AM

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6) I hate discussing this because my words are often taken incorrectly and I either offend or find them twisted to support bigotry. This is nothing new. My own father was horrified to see his name in the "acknowledgments" section of a vile hate book called "The Pink Swastika". Did you know that Homosexuals were behind the holocaust? I didn't either. Maybe that's because we're not delusional...

Your poor father. That must have been a considerable shock to him, having someone twist what he said, and then attempt to make him a "contributor" in a book like that. Was he able to sue for libel? I hope so. YYYCCHHHK. Yuk. After I got over the shock, I would've been furious.

As to the rest... I think you made things quite clear. :)

Dosadi, if you read Morts's post a bit more carefully, you can clearly see how he is explaining "canon", so to speak. Your statement:

ok... and now a recap of the ultra defensive mode...

It's only bad to be gay when you're a jew?

is misleading and erroneous, all at the same time.

Let me 'splain. No, let me sum up:

According to the Jewish faith as Morts follows it, BEING homosexual is NOT a sin. Homosexual ACTS, for a Jew, ARE a sin... but they are a type of sin that is strictly between God and the homosexuals who engage in the act. It is no one else's business but theirs, and the Jewish community does NOT ostracize these people in any way, because they understand that. Further, there are many *other* sins out there, and there is the belief that both our good deeds and our sins will be taken into account. Morts humbly follows that with the statement that he has no doubt there are homosexual Jews out there who are practicing homosexuality who will still have a "higher place" in the afterlife than he will, because their sins-goodness ratio will end up being higher on the good side than his own ratio.

Which, if you pay attention to what he's saying, means that homosexual ACTS are one of many kinds of sins for a Jew, and that they have no "overwhelming weight" of sin that many other faiths like to *attach* to homosexual activity. Plenty of religions put homosexual activity on a par with murder... that is clearly NOT the case of the Jewish religion.

As for the "not being a Jew" part... apparently Jews of Morts's viewpoint, unlike some from other religions, don't try to apply a standard that was created strictly for their *own* religion to those who follow *other* religions.

Clear now?

Grazzt

03-19-2006, 11:07 AM

Just curious, what's the official Orthodox Jewish stance on evolution vs. creationism?

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 11:21 AM

Your poor father. That must have been a considerable shock to him, having someone twist what he said, and then attempt to make him a "contributor" in a book like that. Was he able to sue for libel? I hope so. YYYCCHHHK. Yuk. After I got over the shock, I would've been furious.

The guy showed up at another of my dad's lectures and it was all my father could do not to choke him.

As it was he had to wait till the person left top identify him to me, as I would have done it.

A temper is one of my greater faults.

It's one of the three reasons he no longer likes to speak about homosexuality in the Jewish community. One was when a person in the audience who clearly came spoiling for a fight accused my father of saying things he really had not (basically, that a "good" gay Jew would stay in the closet). That did get cleared up eventually, but it was tense for a moment. The other was actually worse:

My dad was in a fairly affluent Jewish community as a Scholar in Residence. One think he likes to point out in this particular lecture is that the term Toeyvah is used to refer to cheating in business and yet we see no groups formed to ostracize tax cheats. He then gives several examples from the Talmud and the Navimim (Prophets) of places where it says that someone who commits fraud on another man has no share in the World to Come (something it says about every few other things... and homosexuality is not one of them). At the end someone came up to him and loudly complained that my father had just said that it was fully permissible to engage in homosexual acts. Confused, my father asked how he interpreted the lecture thusly.

"You compared it to what the Torah says about cheating in business! Everyone knows those laws don't apply today!"

My dad actually cried a bit.

As to the rest... I think you made things quite clear. :)

Bless your heart for understanding and for the wonderful interpretation that follows.

and the Jewish community does NOT ostracize these people in any way, because they understand that.

Better to say "informed members of the Jewish community". Sadly, we have our ignorant bigots just like any other faith.

Morts humbly

It's not being humble when you really are a dirty sinner!

Which, if you pay attention to what he's saying, means that homosexual ACTS are one of many kinds of sins for a Jew, and that they have no "overwhelming weight" of sin that many other faiths like to *attach* to homosexual activity. Plenty of religions put homosexual activity on a par with murder... that is clearly NOT the case of the Jewish religion.

Exactly. In fact, we put being Mevazeh someone B'rabim, embarrassing someone publicly on the level of murder. So were a Jew to humiliate someone for being a homosexual, it would be he who would be the sinner, and on a fairly serious level.

I'm proud to say that I spent senior year being openly flirted with by a classmate in my all-male High School and to my knowledge no-one ostracized him in any way.

I feel kind of guilty for turning him down. He just wasn't my type. Too skinny.

As for the "not being a Jew" part... apparently Jews of Morts's viewpoint, unlike some from other religions, don't try to apply a standard that was created strictly for their *own* religion to those who follow *other* religions.

It would be a bit silly if we did.

"G-d chose us to be His people and keep His Torah. However, we want you to do it too, even though it doesn't apply to you."

I mean, what would the point be?

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 11:28 AM

Just curious, what's the official Orthodox Jewish stance on evolution vs. creationism?

Official? Beats me. You have to keep in mind that it's rare that you find a neighborhood, heck, a synagogue, where all the Jews hold the same way on everything. We're hardly an organized religion.

As for myself, obviously as someone who believes that the Torah is the Word of G-d, I believe that He created the world, from Tau o'vauh, nothingness and chaos. However, I do not pretend to understand how. While the Sheva Yomim [seven days] of Bereshit [Genesis] are generally translated as "days", the term "yom" is used for multiple units of time. It is an opinion, and one that I myself hold by, that G-d created the universe in six temporal units of unknown measure, which we commemorate by keeping a six day week with the Shabbos day as a day of Rest.

estee

03-19-2006, 11:35 AM

Three questions...and I hope they haven't been mentioned already and most of all they aren't out of line.

1. If Jews don't have a hell, what motivation is there not to sin?

2. How do you keep the Yamika on?

3. Have you seen the Hebrew Hammer? Loved that flick... ;)

Solaris

03-19-2006, 11:39 AM

Sometimes, when reading about another religion, people unconsiously attribute the same kind of reaction within that religion to a "sin" that they have heard or learned from another faith.

For many Christians, lying, homosexuality, and murder are all sins... but whether they talk about it much or not, most put a light weight on sin on lying, a heavy weight of sin ("wrongness") on murder... and for a very many, a similar weight to that of "murder" onto "homosexuality"---either the act, or both the act and simply *being* homosexual. "Abomination" is a good word to describe this reaction to homosexuality... because it puts an emotional flavor of "unnaturalness and wrongness" on the act very akin to the flavor put onto bestiality.

Many forget that the word "sin" carries with it various connotations of weight, depending on the sin. Few would say a liar should be strung up and hung; many would say a murderer should be treated in that fashion. So when the word "sin" is being used, often people will try to *transfer* the weight they've heard someone from *one* religion put upon it, into discussions of how a *different* religion sees it, without even thinking about it.

I got it, from what you were saying, that in Judaism, homosexuality doesn't carry the same kind of "weight" (damnation, abomination) that it carries in some Christian circles... and "getting" that, makes a whole lot of difference, when you're listening to someone explain the Jewish take on the act of homosexuality. :) I think you made that clear, when pointing out things like the stuff about "cheating in a business" being a "graver" sin (more weight), and how for homosexual acts, it's just between them and God. :) In fact, in some ways I can see it carrying more of a weight like simple lying, because often the person lying hurts the most is the liar himself. I get the feeling that "homosexual acts" falls under a sort of category of "the person harming themselves internally, therefore it's a sin; BUT, it's not something that harms the community, so it's not a GRAVE sin, and it's just between them and God."

Do you think that's fairly accurate?

As for this...
My dad was in a fairly affluent Jewish community as a Scholar in Residence. One think he likes to point out in this particular lecture is that the term Toeyvah is used to refer to cheating in business and yet we see no groups formed to ostracize tax cheats. He then gives several examples from the Talmud and the Navimim (Prophets) of places where it says that someone who commits fraud on another man has no share in the World to Come (something it says about every few other things... and homosexuality is not one of them). At the end someone came up to him and loudly complained that my father had just said that it was fully permissible to engage in homosexual acts. Confused, my father asked how he interpreted the lecture thusly.

"You compared it to what the Torah says about cheating in business! Everyone knows those laws don't apply today!"

My dad actually cried a bit.

I can see why your father would cry. This Jew speaking to him obviously had missed out on something that's a very important thing, and missed it completely. Cheating in business has so very many bad connotations and results, I can see how it would be moved on up the "weight" scale for sins.

I gotta run; we're gonna be late picking up Finn if we don't leave right NOW! :D Back later, and hugs!

Typo Lad

03-19-2006, 11:51 AM

Three questions...and I hope they haven't been mentioned already

Please, there's over 1,050 posts now. Even I'm not sure what's been mentioned and what hasn't.

and most of all they aren't out of line.

I'm faily easy going and hard to offend, or so I like to think. I opened the door, so I will take any questions. I've only gotten offended once this entire thread, and that was a misunderstanding about politics rather than religion.

1. If Jews don't have a hell, what motivation is there not to sin?

The desire to get into Heaven? Because acting in a positive manner is the goal? Because there *is* a Hell, just not eternal damnation?

You pick.

2. How do you keep the Yamika on?

Some use bobby pins. Some use hairclips. My younger brother used to use funky hairclips with designs. In fact, one of the highlights of his concert-going escapades was when he was getting Tracy Bonham's signature and she complimented him on his hairclips and they swapped.

That, getting kissied by Joan Baez and having Dar Williams do a song he requested and say his name on stage may be the top three.

Edit: That said, I myself don't use anything. I wear black velvet kippot that tend to contour themselves to my head. Drives my friends mad.

3. Have you seen the Hebrew Hammer? Loved that flick... ;)

Still haven't caught it.

estee

03-19-2006, 05:25 PM

Hebrew Hammer, if you don't know, is a spoof of the Blacksploitation movies...a sorta Jewsploitation flick. Seems Santa Claus has gone rogue and wants to destroy Hanukkah.

Best line ever..."Shabbat Shalom, mother f*ckers!"

Dennis K

03-19-2006, 05:38 PM

Dear "Ask the Jew"

One of my earliest jobs growing up in South Florida was as a bagboy at Winn-Dixie. There was a stockman at the store who used to take the dried Quaker oatmeal and chew up a big wad of it and then place the gooey mess into a jar of gifilta fish. As far as I know, nobody every returned of the jars. Now that I'm older, I feel kind of bad that this amused me so much at the time. I ask for your forgiveness.

Signed,

A repentant gentile.

Iangould

03-19-2006, 05:46 PM

Just curious, what's the official Orthodox Jewish stance on evolution vs. creationism?

I think the Official Orthodox Jewish Stance on most issues is that there is no Official Orthodox Jewish Stance.

i_mmmchocolate

03-19-2006, 06:43 PM

Share three of your favorite kosher restaurants in the NYC area- and what's so great (ie dish, service) about them (make it a one-liner, if you like).

Citizen V

03-19-2006, 06:52 PM

Ill say "Ask The Hebrew" because it is a bit more respectful,i have a question.I need to refresh my sources..

Are the Jews the "Children Of God" displayed in the bible?Are they the only ones who are truely deserving of god`s forgiveness?Hence "The Chosen Ones"

I just want to know.

StoneGold

03-19-2006, 08:40 PM

Share three of your favorite kosher restaurants in the NYC area- and what's so great (ie dish, service) about them (make it a one-liner, if you like).
Can't do NYC, but in Los Angeles, gotta love Jeff's Kosher Sausages. It's kind of like Jodi Maronis, only kosher, and less crappy. Problem is, all the orthodox types go all batshit, because they can eat sausage and feel all dirty without actually feeling all dirty, so the place can get kind of crowded.

Sandy Hausler

03-20-2006, 04:57 AM

And so our intrepid hero opens a lovely can of worms

Actually, my views on both are rather well known.

1) The verse in Devarim (Leviticus to the King Jamsers out there)

Uh, Leviticus is Vayikra.

Deuteronomy is Devarim.

Sandy Hausler

Solaris

03-20-2006, 05:13 AM

Can't do NYC, but in Los Angeles, gotta love Jeff's Kosher Sausages. It's kind of like Jodi Maronis, only kosher, and less crappy. Problem is, all the orthodox types go all batshit, because they can eat sausage and feel all dirty without actually feeling all dirty, so the place can get kind of crowded.

Kosher sausages? Are they beef? Poultry? or Pork?

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 05:20 AM

Uh, Leviticus is Vayikra.

Deuteronomy is Devarim.

Sandy Hausler

That sound you just heard was me hitting my head on my desk.

Thanks Sandy.

Can't believe I flubbed that.

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 05:21 AM

There was a stockman at the store who used to take the dried Quaker oatmeal and chew up a big wad of it and then place the gooey mess into a jar of gifilta fish. As far as I know, nobody every returned of the jars. Now that I'm older, I feel kind of bad that this amused me so much at the time. I ask for your forgiveness.

They deserved it for eating that nasty food in the first place.

Seriously though, it's not my forgiveness you need to ask.

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 05:27 AM

Share three of your favorite kosher restaurants in the NYC area- and what's so great (ie dish, service) about them (make it a one-liner, if you like).

Oh man, this is hard.

1) Abigail's on Broadway - An upper-class steakhouse, the chef is the owner and the menu's awesome. Always something different. The service is nothing short of excellent. A bit expensive, but worth every penny.
Honorable Mention: Levana's. One of the few places you can get Bison, Venison, Quail, etc. Expensive and a little cramped though.

2) The Pasta Factory - Though the name suggests low class, this Dairy Italian eatery is far from it. Freshly made pasta is served by a patient and professional waitstaff. Every strand of pasta is perfectly cooked and the sauces are not too heavy, but they don't skimp either. The decor and lighting are very good "mood setters". Fitting for a romantic date or a night out with friends. Pricey. Gains bunos points for being two blocks from my house.

I'm having a hard time picking a third, truth be told. The above two are my #1 Dairy and Meat places. Everything else holds steady at #2 except for the really, really nasty places.

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 05:30 AM

Ill say "Ask The Hebrew" because it is a bit more respectful,

How so? Jew is derived from Judah. It comes from the fact that most Jews today are descendant from the Kingdom of Judah. We never called ourselves "Hebrews", that's an outsider's lable.

Are the Jews the "Children Of God" displayed in the bible?

All human's are G-d's children.

Are they the only ones who are truely deserving of god`s forgiveness?Hence "The Chosen Ones"

No. We're the ones who have to work harder to achieve G-d's forgivness.

Think of G-d as a teacher and the nations of the world as children. The Jewish people are the ones the teacher keeps singling out as an example because He "expects more from us".

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 05:31 AM

I think the Official Orthodox Jewish Stance on most issues is that there is no Official Orthodox Jewish Stance.

Quoted for truth.

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 05:32 AM

Kosher sausages? Are they beef? Poultry? or Pork?

Obviously not Pork, Sol.

Beef Sausages, I suspect.

Suzannah makes me buy Chicken hot dogs and/or Turkey. I hate that. Nothing beats an all-beef weiner.

Ands before anyone asks, the best Kosher pre-packaged Hot Dogs are Abe's & Hyneman (A&H). Amazing flavor. They make a nice Keilbasah too.

Solaris

03-20-2006, 05:33 AM

...
No. We're the ones who have to work harder to achieve G-d's forgivness.

Think of G-d as a teacher and the nations of the world as children. The Jewish people are the ones the teacher keeps singling out as an example because He "expects more from us".

LOL! I love that analogy. :D (And having had my mother as my teacher in school once, I certainly sympathize.) ;)

Sandy Hausler

03-20-2006, 08:18 AM

Oh man, this is hard.

1) Abigail's on Broadway - An upper-class steakhouse, the chef is the owner and the menu's awesome. Always something different. The service is nothing short of excellent. A bit expensive, but worth every penny.
Honorable Mention: Levana's. One of the few places you can get Bison, Venison, Quail, etc. Expensive and a little cramped though.

2) The Pasta Factory - Though the name suggests low class, this Dairy Italian eatery is far from it. Freshly made pasta is served by a patient and professional waitstaff. Every strand of pasta is perfectly cooked and the sauces are not too heavy, but they don't skimp either. The decor and lighting are very good "mood setters". Fitting for a romantic date or a night out with friends. Pricey. Gains bunos points for being two blocks from my house.

I'm having a hard time picking a third, truth be told. The above two are my #1 Dairy and Meat places. Everything else holds steady at #2 except for the really, really nasty places.

Gusto Va Mere on East 53rd is a great non-meat restaurant.

And I like the Prime Grill for my meat fix.<g>

Sandy Hausler

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 08:42 AM

Gusto Va Mere on East 53rd is a great non-meat restaurant.

Still haven't been, alas.

Diamond Cafe (I think that's the name) was darn good.

And I like the Prime Grill for my meat fix.<g>

I've been to Wold & Lamb, which has the same owners (as does Kasbah on the Upper West Side) and was underwhelmed. I mean, it was good, but no Abigails.

Maybe we'll do Prime Grill for a special occasion soon.

tricksterpup

03-20-2006, 08:45 AM

Morts,
Why is the pig such bad voodoo? Why can you not eat pork even in this day of age?

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 08:51 AM

Morts,
Why is the pig such bad voodoo? Why can you not eat pork even in this day of age?

Because Kosher has nothing to do with health and is timeless. Pigs do not possess both of the nessecary Kosher signs (Split hooves, yes, but they are not rumminants).

For a fascinating look at Kashrut, I recommend Rabbi Slifkins "The Camel, the Har, and the Hyrax", a study of animals with one Kosher sign from a zoological standpoint.

Also, for those interested I recomend a secular but neat book: Claudine Fabre-Vassas's The Singular Beast (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0231103670/103-4484583-7918242?v=glance&n=283155), a study of the role of the pig in Jewish and Christian culture.

Which I will, one day, finish.

spideyguy0

03-20-2006, 10:01 AM

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 10:06 AM

dude, Duggies!

They asked for resteraunts, not greasepits.

Looks, Dougies is a decent Burger joint, but that's all it is. It's a step up from the Kosher Delights of the world, but it still features:

1) A very limited menu.
2) The same sauce on everything you order.
3) A longer than needed wait time.

tricksterpup

03-20-2006, 10:33 AM

Because Kosher has nothing to do with health and is timeless. Pigs do not possess both of the nessecary Kosher signs (Split hooves, yes, but they are not rumminants).

For a fascinating look at Kashrut, I recommend Rabbi Slifkins "The Camel, the Har, and the Hyrax", a study of animals with one Kosher sign from a zoological standpoint.

Also, for those interested I recomend a secular but neat book: Claudine Fabre-Vassas's The Singular Beast (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0231103670/103-4484583-7918242?v=glance&n=283155), a study of the role of the pig in Jewish and Christian culture.

Which I will, one day, finish.

Morts, Thanks, I will have to pick up those books.
Here is a more personal question, Have you ever strayed from Eating a Non Kosher food? And if you did, did you enjoy it? Do you still crave it?

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 11:00 AM

Morts, Thanks, I will have to pick up those books.

The Slifkin one is a bit... heavy.

Here is a more personal question, Have you ever strayed from Eating a Non Kosher food?

I told this story earlier:

I am so very, very ashamed of this story.

I was a wee lad, I couldn't have been more than 5. Still, I was old enough to know better.

We were staying by some not-as-religious relatives. My folks went somewhere and it was just me and the matrearch of the clan. We went shopping.

In the cereal isle, she asked what I wanted.

I then bought, and later ate as soon as I got back to the house, a bowl of Lucky Charms.

My parents came home and saw it and sweetly explained to me that it was not kosher and I would have to give the rest to a non-Jewish child.

I was horrified.

Now, realistically, I was not old enough for this to be held against me. Still, I kept kicking myself for this one for YEARS.

I also once did not wait the full six hours between eating meat and dairy, but in my defence, I had forgotten that I had had a meat lunch.

That one also scarred me. For years I would not eat meat for lunch. I'd rather go hungry.

Got over that, eventually.

So yes, yes I have.

And if you did, did you enjoy it?

I honestly don't recall.

Do you still crave it?

Nah.

Sandy Hausler

03-20-2006, 01:08 PM

Still haven't been, alas.

Diamond Cafe (I think that's the name) was darn good.

I've been to Wold & Lamb, which has the same owners (as does Kasbah on the Upper West Side) and was underwhelmed. I mean, it was good, but no Abigails.

Maybe we'll do Prime Grill for a special occasion soon.

I don't think Wolf & Lamb is owned by the same people as Prime Grill. I could be wrong. I am not impressed by Wolf & Lamb, I've only been there a couple of times and the service was poor and the food was only so so (which is why I don't think it's owned by the Prime Grill gang). Restaurants owned by the Prime Grill guys are Solo and La Carne Grill (both good, though the latter is bettter than the former (but that could be because I like steak)).

Prime Grill is definitely on par with Abigaels, though which is better is a matter of opinion.

You should try Gusto Va Mere. It's real good.

Sandy Hausler

StoneGold

03-20-2006, 01:58 PM

Kosher sausages? Are they beef? Poultry? or Pork?
Beef, poultry, I think they have some lamb. Keep in mind, the difference between a sausage and a hot dog is in the marketing, and as far as hot dogs go, no one makes em better.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00032I1G0.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Grazzt

03-20-2006, 02:07 PM

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00032I1G0.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

They answer to a higher authority? Isn't it unwise to advertise that they're part of the international Zionist conspiracy? ;) :p

StoneGold

03-20-2006, 02:13 PM

They answer to a higher authority? Isn't it unwise to advertise that they're part of the international Zionist conspiracy? ;) :p
It's their main selling point, actually.

MacQuarrie

03-20-2006, 02:16 PM

why do jews think that jesus isnt the son of god. or not the prophet.

for that matter, why do some christians and catholics say that god, jesus and the holy spirit is the same being yet other christians and catholics say they arent. if its all the same religion and the same god then why cant they all agree?
"We don't yet see things clearly. We're squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won't be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We'll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!" - 1 Corinthians 13:12 ("The Message" contemporary translation).

MacQuarrie

03-20-2006, 02:32 PM

Is it true that giraffe is kosher?

If so, is there any place that sells it?

Solaris

03-20-2006, 02:34 PM

Is it true that giraffe is kosher?

If so, is there any place that sells it?

GIRAFFE???

Hmmm, they do have cloven feet, and I *think* they're ruminants...

???

Matt Algren

03-20-2006, 04:05 PM

("The Message" contemporary translation).
nitpick/thread drift: Message is a paraphrase, not a translation.

Super Hero Guy

03-20-2006, 04:08 PM

Typo Lad

03-20-2006, 04:31 PM

Beef, poultry, I think they have some lamb. Keep in mind, the difference between a sausage and a hot dog is in the marketing, and as far as hot dogs go, no one makes em better.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00032I1G0.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Ironically, Orthodox and "up" Jews don't consider that to be under a reliable supervision.

i_mmmchocolate

03-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Ironically, Orthodox and "up" Jews don't consider that to be under a reliable supervision.

What would they consider a more acceptable brand?

It's been a while since I've been to Wesley Kosher.

tricksterpup

03-20-2006, 05:40 PM

Ironically, Orthodox and "up" Jews don't consider that to be under a reliable supervision.
But I gotta tell you next to Vennia beef hot dogs those are the best things on the market..

Solaris

03-20-2006, 06:33 PM

Dear Jew,

If you HAD to have lunch with one of the following people, who would it be

1)Hitler
2)David Duke
3)The Pope
4)King James
5)Goliath
6)Jesus
7)Santa Claus*

*Assuming of course that those last two actually exist.

As a Pagan, I'd have to go with either Jesus or Santa Claus... not too thrilled with the other choices, and I think those two would be quite interesting... :D

DarkBlade

03-20-2006, 07:00 PM

Ironically, Orthodox and "up" Jews don't consider that to be under a reliable supervision.

Which never fails to amuse the heck out of me.

StoneGold

03-20-2006, 07:02 PM

As a Pagan, I'd have to go with either Jesus or Santa Claus... not too thrilled with the other choices, and I think those two would be quite interesting... :D
I dunno, Goliath could be kind of cool, just to see how big a biblical giant actually is. Bet he's like 5'10".

MacQuarrie

03-20-2006, 09:37 PM

I dunno, Goliath could be kind of cool, just to see how big a biblical giant actually is. Bet he's like 5'10".
According to some manuscripts, he was "six cubits and a span", approximately 3 meters or a little over 9 feet tall; however, some other manuscripts, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, put his height at "four cubits and a span", which would be about 6 foot 6. With the average height of men at around 5 foot, that would be a giant. Especially when you figure in the creepy fact that he had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. eww!

StoneGold

03-20-2006, 09:50 PM

According to some manuscripts, he was "six cubits and a span", approximately 3 meters or a little over 9 feet tall; however, some other manuscripts, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, put his height at "four cubits and a span", which would be about 6 foot 6. With the average height of men at around 5 foot, that would be a giant. Especially when you figure in the creepy fact that he had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. eww!
Yeah, but much like penis size, I'm guessing biblical giant height gets exajurrated.

howyadoin

03-20-2006, 09:56 PM

Especially when you figure in the creepy fact that he had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. eww!A girl I know was born like that. The extra digits were pretty much vestigial, though - no muscle in them, for instance.

They were removed shortly after she was born, if I remember the story correctly. And apparently the same thing happened with her mother and her grandmother.

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 02:20 AM

Is it true that giraffe is kosher?

If so, is there any place that sells it?

While giraffe are technically Kosher, we lack a Mesorah (tradition) on how to shecht (slaughter) them properly. As such, the odds of one day seeing Kosher Giraffe are pretty much nill.

Bison, on the other hand, rocks.

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 02:21 AM

Dear Jew,

If you HAD to have lunch with one of the following people, who would it be

1)Hitler
2)David Duke
3)The Pope
4)King James
5)Goliath
6)Jesus
7)Santa Claus*

*Assuming of course that those last two actually exist.

Honestly? The current Pope. There's a few things I'd like to discuss with him.

I'd rather have dined with the last Pope though. A true friend of the Jewish people.

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 02:22 AM

What would they consider a more acceptable brand?

It's been a while since I've been to Wesley Kosher.

A&H, Empire, Meal Mart (ick)... those are the three biggies.

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 02:23 AM

Especially when you figure in the creepy fact that he had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. eww!

Inbreeding: It's not just for the Ozarks.

Sandy Hausler

03-21-2006, 04:36 AM

Ironically, Orthodox and "up" Jews don't consider that to be under a reliable supervision.

I think I've mentioned that Hebrew National's supervision has changed. It's now under the Triangle K. While I'm sure that won't make a difference to the "Up Jews," it should make a difference to some Orthodox Jews.

Sandy Hausler

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 04:38 AM

I think I've mentioned that Hebrew National's supervision has changed. It's now under the Triangle K. While I'm sure that won't make a difference to the "Up Jews," it should make a difference to some Orthodox Jews.

Sandy Hausler

Really? Because I've yet to meet an Orthodox Jew who holds by Triangle K.

Sandy Hausler

03-21-2006, 04:40 AM

A&H, Empire, Meal Mart (ick)... those are the three biggies.

I think there are big problems with Rabushkin's meats (Aaron's Best and whatever else they market under). I'm sure you've heard of the PETA website.<g>

Sandy Hausler

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 04:47 AM

I think there are big problems with Rabushkin's meats (Aaron's Best and whatever else they market under). I'm sure you've heard of the PETA website.<g>

Notice how I didn't include them?

The OU claims that they were ignorant of the practices as seen in the video... which actually scares me morte than the video itself.

Plus, Aaron's Rubashkin meats are nasty anyway. The beef cuts are either too fatty or too tough, the chicken cuts have an odd texture, and the hot dogs have no flavor.

Michael P

03-21-2006, 04:59 AM

Inbreeding: It's not just for the Ozarks.
Hey!
____

LtMarvel

03-21-2006, 05:15 AM

Hey!
____
He couldn't spell Appalachia.

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 05:22 AM

No offense meant guys.

Perry Holley

03-21-2006, 05:25 AM

Ironically, Orthodox and "up" Jews don't consider that to be under a reliable supervision.But it is, nonetheless, darned tasty.

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 05:28 AM

But it is, nonetheless, darned tasty.

I would not know.

Still, B'teyavone!

Sandy Hausler

03-21-2006, 08:34 AM

Notice how I didn't include them?

The OU claims that they were ignorant of the practices as seen in the video... which actually scares me morte than the video itself.

Plus, Aaron's Rubashkin meats are nasty anyway. The beef cuts are either too fatty or too tough, the chicken cuts have an odd texture, and the hot dogs have no flavor.

I did not intend to suggest that you erred. I was just warning your readers.<g>

Sandy Hausler

Sandy Hausler

03-21-2006, 08:35 AM

Really? Because I've yet to meet an Orthodox Jew who holds by Triangle K.

You live a sheltered life.<g> (And I live in Boro Park.<g>)

Sandy Hausler

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 08:38 AM

You live a sheltered life.<g> (And I live in Boro Park.<g>)

I live in Teaneck. TONS of Jews.

i_mmmchocolate

03-21-2006, 09:06 AM

______double

i_mmmchocolate

03-21-2006, 09:07 AM

There are so many Jews in my area that I'm starting to believe I'm Jewish!

LtMarvel

03-21-2006, 11:04 AM

No offense meant guys.
Likewise, I'm sure.

:)

Typo Lad

03-21-2006, 11:09 AM

There are so many Jews in my area that I'm starting to believe I'm Jewish!

We should be so lucky.

Perry Holley

03-21-2006, 01:34 PM

I would not know.I don't own a gun, but I could hold a knife to your back...

Sandy Hausler

03-22-2006, 04:44 AM

I live in Teaneck. TONS of Jews.

But much lower quality.<g> (My best friend lives there.)

You don't go to Netivot Shalom, do you? (Probably wouldn't set foot in there.<g>)

Sandy Hausler

Typo Lad

03-22-2006, 04:48 AM

But much lower quality.<g> (My best friend lives there.)

Well, what does that say about the aqaulity of your friends, heh?

Actually, Teaneck's good for the eats and has some good people, but the sheer amount of "fakers" here gets to me soemtimes. You know the type: Flashy, showy, wanting everyone to see just how religious I am! Look at me! Look at me!. There's also a ton of little kids here buying everything on credit to keep up with the fakers.

You don't go to Netivot Shalom, do you? (Probably wouldn't set foot in there.<g>)

Haven't heard of it. Where is it? We go to Zichron Mordechai, aka Tzemach Dovid aka Rabbi Taubis's shul. He's a wonderful speaker and the actual services are nice and quiet. There's a lot of kids for Tot to play with, but it's not a massive shul like Rinat or Beth Abraham. It's... cozy.

Awesome accustics too.

Michael P

03-22-2006, 05:05 AM

Actually, Teaneck's good for the eats and has some good people, but the sheer amount of "fakers" here gets to me soemtimes. You know the type: Flashy, showy, wanting everyone to see just how religious I am! Look at me! Look at me!. There's also a ton of little kids here buying everything on credit to keep up with the fakers.

Yeah, we gentiles get those, too. There's an outfit in Houston my dad calls "The Last Baptist Church."

Sandy Hausler

03-22-2006, 08:29 AM

Haven't heard of it. Where is it? We go to Zichron Mordechai, aka Tzemach Dovid aka Rabbi Taubis's shul. He's a wonderful speaker and the actual services are nice and quiet. There's a lot of kids for Tot to play with, but it's not a massive shul like Rinat or Beth Abraham. It's... cozy.

Awesome accustics too.

Netivot Shalom is on the corner of Cedar Lane and Pallisades Avenue (a block from Queen Ann). I don't know Beth Abraham. Do you mean Beth Aaron (my friend's shul -- who, BTW, writes for DC's Looney Toons books, although he is a psychologist and proprieter of Media Kidz as his "real" profession.)

Sandy Hausler

Typo Lad

03-22-2006, 08:38 AM

Netivot Shalom is on the corner of Cedar Lane and Pallisades Avenue (a block from Queen Ann).

I know where QA is, I live right near Glatt Express. So Ceder Lane's a bit out of my walking distance.

I don't know Beth Abraham.

It's over by Bergenfield.

Do you mean Beth Aaron (my friend's shul -- who, BTW, writes for DC's Looney Toons books, although he is a psychologist and proprieter of Media Kidz as his "real" profession.)

Cool.

tricksterpup

03-22-2006, 08:42 AM

What is the one thing that has happened in your life religiously, that made you smile and say, Thank you for allowing me to be a Jew?

hmm.. that might also make a great topic question.

Typo Lad

03-22-2006, 08:51 AM

What is the one thing that has happened in your life religiously, that made you smile and say, Thank you for allowing me to be a Jew?

My wife.

hmm.. that might also make a great topic question.

Aye.

Super Hero Guy

03-29-2006, 04:58 PM

Sorry to ressurect this once again, but I had to ask this.

What do you think of Christians who celebrate sedar meals?

Typo Lad

03-29-2006, 05:29 PM

Loren

03-29-2006, 05:41 PM

While giraffe are technically Kosher, we lack a Mesorah (tradition) on how to shecht (slaughter) them properly. As such, the odds of one day seeing Kosher Giraffe are pretty much nill.

When I presented the giraffe question to my folks last week, my dad did some online research and turned up this (http://www.kashrut.com/articles/giraffe/), which suggests that the shechitah issue is a misconception.

It does, however, point out that at several thousand dollars a pound, giraffe meat isn't likely to show up on anyone's dinner table anyway.

BlairH

03-29-2006, 05:51 PM

It does, however, point out that at several thousand dollars a pound, giraffe meat isn't likely to show up on anyone's dinner table anyway.
I tasted it once at a Masonic function.

Typo Lad

03-29-2006, 06:27 PM

Loren- Mesorah isn't exactly what that guy's talking about, to be fair, but yeah, cost'd be one issue.

But still, Bison used to be almost extinct...now it's just delicious.

Wesley Dodds

03-29-2006, 06:35 PM

Hey, I just read about how when someone dies in a Jewish community they get served a meal by their friends -- to show they're not alone in their bereavement. What an awesome custom.

Typo Lad

03-29-2006, 06:50 PM

Also when babies are born.

One of the points of the Jewish practices in mourning is to assist the mourner in coming to terms with his/her loss and slowly reintroducing them to everyday life.

Wesley Dodds

03-29-2006, 06:58 PM

To me, it's just another example of how awesome jews are.

DarkBlade

03-30-2006, 03:49 AM

Hey, I just read about how when someone dies in a Jewish community they get served a meal by their friends -- to show they're not alone in their bereavement. What an awesome custom.

Do you mean for the family? (As opposed to for the dead person as per Day of the Dead type things.)

Typo Lad

03-30-2006, 04:46 AM

Do you mean for the family? (As opposed to for the dead person as per Day of the Dead type things.)

For the family! For the family!

Bard

03-30-2006, 06:07 AM

The funny thing about your question is yesterday a co-worker popped in to tell me about how his Church had a Seder and how fascinating he found it.

I think if it's being done to emulate Jesus and the Last SUpper, it's fine. If it's just done to do it, then that's odd.

And if it doesn't go till at least 1 AM, it's not really a Seder.

You are better than I am. Although I am Christian, my father was a sephardic jew. An aquaintaince (*shudder*) who was very gentile tried to perform a seder to impress my mother and I. She swore she'd studied up on the proper preparation and refused to allow mother or I to enlighten her on the proper ways to perpare Kosher meals and how to set up and perform everything. We offerred to help and she put on this air that she knew more about Jewish tradition than the jews :rolleyes: . (Sorry Brian C. that rolleyes was really justified.) To say I was insulted and hurt by the way she butched my father's culture is and was an understatement . . . especially since I offerred to teach her a month before.

Btw: Typolad, I finally got my store to carry my Telma seasoning! Score one for persisitence.

Matt Algren

03-30-2006, 06:17 AM

You are better than I am. Although I am Christian, my father was a sephardic jew. An aquaintaince (*shudder*) who was very gentile tried to perform a seder to impress my mother and I. She swore she'd studied up on the proper preparation and refused to allow mother or I to enlighten her on the proper ways to perpare Kosher meals and how to set up and perform everything. We offerred to help and she put on this air that she knew more about Jewish tradition than the jews :rolleyes: . (Sorry Brian C. that rolleyes was really justified.) To say I was insulted and hurt by the way she butched my father's culture is and was an understatement . . . especially since I offerred to teach her a month before.
On the other hand, I'm impressed that she went to the effort to acquaint herself, however clumsily, with your father's culture.

(You know her though, so I'm sure there's more to the story than this.)

Typo Lad

03-30-2006, 06:25 AM

Bard: yay on the Telma. Sorry I haven't been on top of that but the stores here are all Passover-ized already (Passified, as I like to call it).

And sorry about the crappy Seder. I hate know-it-alls.

Bard

03-30-2006, 06:39 AM

(You know her though, so I'm sure there's more to the story than this.)

To give you a hint . . . she swears she knows more about giving birth and neonatal health from watching the Discovery channel, than to accept advice from a nurse practitioner who also has been an L&D, neonatal and postpartum nurse for 7 years. (And she's never had a baby.)

Valmore missed out on her really annoying years.

Matt Algren

03-30-2006, 06:42 AM

To give you a hint . . . she swears she knows more about giving birth and neonatal health from watching the Discovery channel, than to accept advice from a nurse practitioner who also has been an L&D, neonatal and postpartum nurse for 7 years. (And she's never had a baby.)

Valmore missed out on her really annoying years.
Aah. I have an aunt like that. Your restraint is to be envied.

Iangould

04-07-2006, 10:23 PM

So if a pig were genetically modified so it chewed its cud and had cloven hoofs - would its meat be Kosher?

Super Hero Guy

04-07-2006, 10:46 PM

And just to add my Jewish moment of the day, today at work (I work at a supermarket...I know...) someone asked whether we had kosher yogourt. Now, I had no idea that yogourt needed to be kosher. Luckily, the man informed me that some yogourt was made with gelatin, and as soon as he said this my mind came right to this thread. So, hey, I actually learned something here that has value in real life.

Tages

04-08-2006, 01:31 AM

Dear Morts,

Hypothetical scenario for you: Tot's grown up (OK, stop hyperventilating for just a moment) and she's met a guy she thinks is "The one." He treats her with love, dignity and respect, has a good education and a well-paying job, and is generally clean, nice, and likeable with no great character flaws.

The one thing: he's not Jewish. He respects and makes a good attempt to understand the Jewish faith but is not himself Jewish, nor does he want to convert.

How would you and Suzanne react, and how would your relatives and in-laws? Would it make a difference if he wanted to raise any children Jewish?

boolean

04-08-2006, 08:17 AM

Didn't we have this thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=111194) already?

OzBat!

04-08-2006, 08:21 AM

Hey, "Ask The Jew"!

I just finished reading Chaim Potok's "Wanderings", a history of the jews. Have you read it, and what did you think of it?

The history stuff, especially the comparisons between civilisations and where each was up to, comparitively speaking, was brilliantly well done. His overviews on different schools of jewish thought was also good. But I'd have to read some of his other stuff to form a solid opinion, because I'm not sure where he's coming from, the extent of his own beliefs that form the bedrock for his interpretation. So any other POVs are gratefully accepted!

Grazzt

04-08-2006, 12:16 PM

Another question, but this one is slightly more personal. What tenet of the Jewish faith do you find hardest to uphold?

Tages

04-08-2006, 04:38 PM

Didn't we have this thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=111194) already?
Shame I'm not omniscient.

Yet.

Pól Rua

04-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Why does this one Jewish guy keep posting using my log-on?

Iangould

04-08-2006, 05:34 PM

Why does "shechting a Giraffe" sound so dirty?

Typo Lad

04-08-2006, 07:07 PM

So if a pig were genetically modified so it chewed its cud and had cloven hoofs - would its meat be Kosher?

That's way, way beyond me. I'd say ask a Rabbi. One with a background in the biological sciences.

Why does "shechting a Giraffe" sound so dirty?

Doesn't it just?

Typo Lad

04-08-2006, 07:10 PM

DarkBlade

04-08-2006, 07:12 PM

Hnh. The current google banner ad is for this (http://www.chrismukkah.com/) website.

StoneGold

04-08-2006, 07:15 PM

That's not the only thing that can make yoghurt non-Kosher, but good on you for learning something.
Yeah, but the beef jerky flavored yogurt is only in certain test markets.

Typo Lad

04-08-2006, 07:19 PM

Another question, but this one is slightly more personal. What tenet of the Jewish faith do you find hardest to uphold?

Loving my fellow man.

Typo Lad

04-08-2006, 07:24 PM

Hey, "Ask The Jew"!

Aka The Ultimate Thread that Would Not Die.

I just finished reading Chaim Potok's "Wanderings", a history of the jews. Have you read it, and what did you think of it?
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I haven't. Sounds interesting.

DarkBlade

04-10-2006, 01:32 PM

sirgod

04-10-2006, 03:23 PM

MacQuarrie

04-10-2006, 03:37 PM

Please understand, I'm not Trying to Be insesitive at all here when I ask this...

Why must the Third Temple of Solomon be built on that there Musleme rock? Let them Keep there Temple , But why can't you build the Temple elsewhere?

I understand abit about The Temple, But I admit, I'm no where completley Fluent in Jewish Culture, and Religion.

The way I understand IT from a global thingie, is that If we IE. Anti Musleums , where to just topple there temple, It might start WW3. But On the other hand, Isn't Considering a place like that area, Dealing with Idolitry?

I mean IF God ( and I believe this ) God did make us all, the world, etc, Then why wouldn't a Temple , Church, etc, Be just as good as a house for the Lord then any where else?

Like I mentioned, I'm kinda Ignorant about Israel, But IF I don't ask...

Stephen
I'm sure Typo will have more to say about this, but my understanding is this:

1. When the next Temple is built, it will be put there by G-d, not by man, and He can put it wherever He wants.

2. The Temple was there first; the Dome of the Rock was built where it is BECAUSE of the significance of the site.

3. The Dome of the Rock is actually not exactly on the site of the Temple. If they left off the outer courts, they could build the Temple without tearing down the mosque.

4. The Temple has to be built where it was; it is an extremely significant location, and they can't just "build it somewhere else." According to tradition, the Temple site is also where Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac.

And so on.

Typo Lad

04-10-2006, 04:45 PM

What if an orthodox jew were to sincerely f' up and end up in juvie or jail over passover and the place isn't equipped to deal with it? I asked at work and they said currently there aren't any kids in who are, and that they ask at intake if there are religious requirements and tell people if there's special food or something the parents have to bring it. What kind of observance stuff would you do? Or not do? Is it a thing of being SOL cause you broke the law?

This is so a question for a Rabbi.

That said, I actually know that NY Prisons have some form of Pesach menu.

Worse case, the person in question would most likely have to limit himself to fruits and veggies, well washed.

StoneGold

04-10-2006, 04:48 PM

This is so a question for a Rabbi.

He'd probably know.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/05/06/abramoff-inside.jpg

Typo Lad

04-10-2006, 05:40 PM

Please understand, I'm not Trying to Be insesitive at all here when I ask this...

No worries, I have a thick skin. No foreskin, but the rest of it's thick.

Why must the Third Temple of Solomon be built on that there Musleme rock?

Well, for starters, I wouldn't call it a "Muslim rock". It's not very respectful to Muslims. The Shrine of the Rock is one of their most sacred sights, where they believe that Yishmael was going to be offered up to G-d by Father Ibraham.

Let them Keep there Temple , But why can't you build the Temple elsewhere?

We for starters, despite what the Society of the Third Temple crackpots may believe, the Third Beit Hamegdash will not be built by the hands of men. Rather, it will come into being when Moshiach comes.

The only way to build the Temple is to strive to keep G-d's Torah.

As for building it elsewhere, the Samaratins think the Jews have it wrong anyway.

The way I understand IT from a global thingie, is that If we IE. Anti Musleums ,

Please do not refer to me as Anti-Muslim. They are my cousins and it is only due to interference by the West and other outside factors that things are as they are.

where to just topple there temple, It might start WW3. But On the other hand, Isn't Considering a place like that area, Dealing with Idolitry?

The Children of Yishmael are not considered to be idolitors according to most opinions.

I mean IF God ( and I believe this ) God did make us all, the world, etc, Then why wouldn't a Temple , Church, etc, Be just as good as a house for the Lord then any where else?

The Beith Hamegdash is not for G-d, but for us. G-d is everywhere. Since the destruction of the Second Beit Hamegdash the world is His Temple and all shuls are little Beit Migdashim.

Like I mentioned, I'm kinda Ignorant about Israel, But IF I don't ask...

A good attitude.

Super Hero Guy

04-10-2006, 07:17 PM

Dear Jew,

What do you think of the new re-make of "The Ten Commandments". And on an unrelated note, why are there clearly two sets of commandments mentioned in Exodus?

DarkBlade

04-10-2006, 07:27 PM

Didn't one of 'em get busted upon bein chucked down the mountain in a fit of pissedoffness?

OzBat!

04-10-2006, 07:38 PM

Aka The Ultimate Thread that Would Not Die.The Thread Immortus!

Re: Chaim Potok's "Wanderings", a history of the jews.I haven't. Sounds interesting.I found it in a second hand bookstore. If I find another copy, I'll send it your way.

Davideaux

04-30-2006, 01:15 PM

Dear Jew:

Do modern Jews still do that thing the ancient Israelites did where every 7 years they'd forgive people of the debts they owed them?

Typo Lad

04-30-2006, 01:49 PM

Dear Jew:

Do modern Jews still do that thing the ancient Israelites did where every 7 years they'd forgive people of the debts they owed them?

That'd be Smita. It is still obsered to an extent. During Shmita you still can't eat fruits grown in Israel (which is more of a problem than you'd think, Israel exports tons to the states). One workaround is hydroponics, which doesn't "count".

That said, we actually forgive debts every year at Yom Kippur.

Wesley Dodds

04-30-2006, 02:07 PM

That said, we actually forgive debts every year at Yom Kippur.

That explains why people wanted Jews to be the money-lenders.

LtMarvel

04-30-2006, 03:03 PM

My Luthern church had a Passover dinner. How do you guys stay sober enough to drive home after drinking so much wine?

Grazzt

04-30-2006, 03:10 PM

Another question, does the ban on mixed fibres in Leviticus still stand, or is that another faulty translation? If it still applies, have you ever accidentally broken it?

Typo Lad

04-30-2006, 03:11 PM

My Luthern church had a Passover dinner. How do you guys stay sober enough to drive home after drinking so much wine?

Well, I can only speak for my fellow Ortho's, who don't drive on Pesach, so the problem sort of handles itself.

Typo Lad

04-30-2006, 03:13 PM

Another question, does the ban on mixed fibres in Leviticus still stand, or is that another faulty translation? If it still applies, have you ever accidentally broken it?

Shatnes (mixing wool and linen), a form of klayim (forbidden mixtures), does still apply. I currently have a suit I have not yet gotten tested for Shatnes. I really need to.

Shatnes testing is a massive industry, with formal labs. The last time I got some suits tested I went to the guy's apartment and he actually let me look at my suite's fibers myself, which was cool.

Karl J. Barnes

04-30-2006, 03:15 PM

Well, I can only speak for my fellow Ortho's, who don't drive on Pesach, so the problem sort of handles itself.

That's what taxi cabs are for, right?

Iangould

04-30-2006, 05:33 PM

Didn't one of 'em get busted upon bein chucked down the mountain in a fit of pissedoffness?

When Moses returned from Mt Sinai with the tablets of the law he found the Israelites worshipping the Gold Calf and cast down the tablets.

Later he went back and God gave him another set.

Edited to add: y'know that could be the basis for a great Da Vinci code/Indy Jones style story - reassembling the fragments of the original tablets.

DarkBlade

04-30-2006, 05:42 PM

Shatnes (mixing wool and linen), a form of klayim (forbidden mixtures), does still apply. I currently have a suit I have not yet gotten tested for Shatnes. I really need to.

Shatnes testing is a massive industry, with formal labs. The last time I got some suits tested I went to the guy's apartment and he actually let me look at my suite's fibers myself, which was cool.
Had umpteen questions about it, but found this link via google. Everything in there pretty much straight on?

http://www.messianicbureau.org/synagogue/shatnez.htm

DarkBlade

04-30-2006, 05:44 PM

When Moses returned from Mt Sinai with the tablets of the law he found the Israelites worshipping the Gold Calf and cast down the tablets.

Later he went back and God gave him another set.

Edited to add: y'know that could be the basis for a great Da Vinci code/Indy Jones style story - reassembling the fragments of the original tablets.
Right. Didn't the second version differ though? I gotta go back and reread... and what, did he jot them down later figuring it'd be good for posterity's sake to have both sets noted?

MacQuarrie

05-01-2006, 02:01 AM

Right. Didn't the second version differ though? I gotta go back and reread... and what, did he jot them down later figuring it'd be good for posterity's sake to have both sets noted?
The only difference I can see is that when G-d gave Moshe the second stone tablets, He made a covenant with him. Where the first tablets were just "the Law," the second ones were "the Law plus promises."

Typo Lad

05-01-2006, 08:57 AM

The only difference I can see is that when G-d gave Moshe the second stone tablets, He made a covenant with him. Where the first tablets were just "the Law," the second ones were "the Law plus promises."

That's an interesting take.

Typo Lad

05-01-2006, 09:00 AM

Had umpteen questions about it, but found this link via google. Everything in there pretty much straight on?

http://www.messianicbureau.org/synagogue/shatnez.htm

Basically, yes.

tricksterpup

05-01-2006, 09:11 AM

When Moses returned from Mt Sinai with the tablets of the law he found the Israelites worshipping the Gold Calf and cast down the tablets.

Later he went back and God gave him another set.

Edited to add: y'know that could be the basis for a great Da Vinci code/Indy Jones style story - reassembling the fragments of the original tablets.
You mean it wasn't 15 commandments like in History of the World part 1?

MacQuarrie

05-01-2006, 01:51 PM

That's an interesting take.
Just an observation I happened to notice. It seems that there's a significance to it. Maybe the idea that it's impossible to keep the Law without dependence on G-d's promises.

Dennis K

05-01-2006, 02:27 PM

How did Mel Brooks become the master of the parody?

i_mmmchocolate

05-01-2006, 02:29 PM

Any favorite kosher Chinese restaurants?

Also, what do you normally order when you have Chinese?

Typo Lad

05-01-2006, 02:54 PM

Just an observation I happened to notice. It seems that there's a significance to it. Maybe the idea that it's impossible to keep the Law without dependence on G-d's promises.

See, I always understood it that the first time around, Moshe was too angry to give the Oral law. Second time around, they got the whole thing.

How did Mel Brooks become the master of the parody?

It's a Jewish gene many of us have developed for survival. It's the harmless joker gene. It's a good gene, maybe not one you'd take home to meet your mother, but it means well.

Any favorite kosher Chinese restaurants?

Not "Wok in Take Out" by you, that's for sure. Blaaaaand.

Beter than Yossi Peking in Israel though. I'd realize I hadn't eaten there in a while, go there, and a few hours later be sitting in the bathroom remembering why I hadn't eaten there in a while.

The place near us, Chopstix, is pretty darn good. They'll personalize the dish with no fuss.

Also, what do you normally order when you have Chinese?

Pepper steak, hold the peppers or garlic chicken hold the veggies.

MacQuarrie

05-01-2006, 05:01 PM

t's a Jewish gene many of us have developed for survival. It's the harmless joker gene. It's a good gene, maybe not one you'd take home to meet your mother, but it means well.
Mel Brooks explained this himself in an interview years ago.

For every 500 people beating their breast and bemoaning the misery of their lives, there has to be one guy cracking wise and lightening the mood. Otherwise the whole race would commit suicide.

Bouncing Boy

05-01-2006, 11:20 PM

Dear Morts,

Am I correct in thinking that an orthadox jew couldn't be a stage actor unless he opted out of doing Friday night and Saturday matinee performances?

StoneGold

05-01-2006, 11:38 PM

Dear Morts,

Am I correct in thinking that an orthadox jew couldn't be a stage actor unless he opted out of doing Friday night and Saturday matinee performances?
If I'm not mistaken, that's how Matisyahu does it.

Typo Lad

05-02-2006, 01:16 AM

Dear Morts,

Am I correct in thinking that an orthadox jew couldn't be a stage actor unless he opted out of doing Friday night and Saturday matinee performances?

Basically. TV actir Stevean "Mission Impossible" Hill does this.

Dennis K

05-03-2006, 12:50 PM

What was the deal with Sammy Davis Jr.?

Typo Lad

05-03-2006, 02:29 PM

What was the deal with Sammy Davis Jr.?

Short answer?

Quotas.

Iangould

05-03-2006, 02:33 PM

What was the deal with Sammy Davis Jr.?

"...on November 19, 1954, when he almost died in an automobile accident in San Bernardino, California on a return trip from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and lost his left eye. The accident occurred on a bend in U.S. Highway 66 at a railroad bridge. While in the hospital, his friend Eddie Cantor told him about the similarities between the Jewish and black cultures. Davis converted to Judaism after reading a history of the Jews in the hospital.>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Davis_Jr

Super Hero Guy

05-03-2006, 03:31 PM

Dear Jew,

what do you make of the fact that most historians say there were never any Hebrew slaves in Egypt and definately no kind of Exodus?

Davideaux

05-03-2006, 07:04 PM

Dear Jew,

How often do you wear the yarmulke?

Greg Blackman

05-04-2006, 04:43 AM

Since I would have thought it would have been one of the early ones (largely becaues I assume most people are as ill informed as i am) I checked 30 pages of posts before i asked this, and I realise you may have covered it in the Kosher bit, but I gotta ask:

What's the deal with pork? Do all sects and subgroups of the Jewish Faith have to stick to this? And why is it a big deal?

Sorry if i missed the answer to this one earlier.

Sandy Hausler

05-04-2006, 05:04 AM

Dear Jew,

what do you make of the fact that most historians say there were never any Hebrew slaves in Egypt and definately no kind of Exodus?

Damn historical revisionists!<g>

I would challenge you on those facts. I don't know that "most" historians say anything of the sort. I would not deny that some might say that.

Sandy Hausler (not THE Jew, but a Jew)

Typo Lad

05-04-2006, 05:26 AM

What's the deal with pork? Do all sects and subgroups of the Jewish Faith have to stick to this? And why is it a big deal?

Sorry if i missed the answer to this one earlier.

No problem Greg, it's a lot of pages to look through.

Pork is no bigger a deal than any other non-Kosher food. Mind you, that's not to belittle the laws of Kashrut - they are a big deal. Pork just seems to be the one that the Gentiles all notice.

There's nothing "icky" about pork. Pork smells good. If Morningstar Farms Veggie-Protein based "Sausage" links or patties taste anything like the real thing, it tastes awesome. However, part of the deal that was made with G-d was to keep Kosher and that means only eating animals with split hooves that chew their cuds.

Oh, there is one unique thing about the pig. It's the only split-hooved animal that is not a ruminant. What's interesting is that the Torah singles it out and notes that. Fascinating, really. You'd think that, if the Torah were written by man as some think, such a claim would be pretty easy to be erronious.

As for different sects, Kosher Observance levels vary from person-to-person. Most Orthodox and a lot of Conservative Jews are fairly strict, Kosher wise. Some aren't.

Typo Lad

05-04-2006, 05:27 AM

How often do you wear the yarmulke?

From the moment I wake up until I go to bed at night. I take it off to shower and to sleep. That's it.

Oh, and for nookies.

Typo Lad

05-04-2006, 05:35 AM

what do you make of the fact that most historians say there were never any Hebrew slaves in Egypt and definately no kind of Exodus?

Fascinating. Well, I don't know those historians but I just was watching a special on the History channel about "The Science of the Bible" where they got into this for a bit.

The first point they made was a damn good one, and one that people miss a lot. The Jews weren't "slaves" in the modern sense of the word. "Avodim", the Biblical concept of slavery, does not really involve "ownership". The Jewish people had their own land, wore their own distinctive clothing, and had their own priestly caste (Fun fact: the priestly caste -Levi- did not labor. Which means Aaron, Moshe's brother was not a "eved"). Heck the Jews even had a day off. A far cry from even modern slavery.

The second point they made was that if you were the Pharoh and all this had happened to you, would you have recorded it? And mind you, they were saying that from the POV of Moshe being a brilliant military commander rather than a miricle worker.

"Dear Diary. Today we got our asses kicked. Resoundingly. PS: I hate Ptolmy. He's mean."