Let's Play "Ask The Jew"!

[Gilda Dent]

To clarify, I meant that the cultures of the time tended to view women as less than men (and we still have some cultural artifacts from that remaining), not that this was necessarily the one Christian view of things.

Gilda

[Winslow]

To clarify, I meant that the cultures of the time tended to view women as less than men (and we still have some cultural artifacts from that remaining), not that this was necessarily the one Christian view of things.

Gilda

I apologize for the sidetrack.

I actually did read your post to say that. I was attempting to clarify, and probably none was needed.

[DarkBlade]

I come with yet another pesky question! Bwahahahaha!

The interwebs say that you cannot have grape products made by non-jews. Does this include things like mead and ciders that are made by fermentation but do not have grapes, being based from honey or apples etc?

Hm. Is beer off limits during passover because of the yeast?

[Typo Lad]

Beer is off limits because of the hops, as far as I know.

I don't know about meads. Good question. Doubt it's a problem though. Assuming the tools used to make it are Kosher (example - whisky is Kosher unless made in casks used to make non-Kosher wine)

[Iangould]

Beer is off limits because of the hops, as far as I know.


No wonder there are so few orthodox Jews in Australia.

[DarkBlade]

No wonder there are so few orthodox Jews in Australia.
Just over passover! Doesn't last all year :p

[Iangould]

Just over passover! Doesn't last all year :p

You really don't understand Australians.

[Paradox]

Really! It's like saying you can't have beer before noon! Utter blasphemy! :)

[TheTen-EyedMan]

You really don't understand Australians.

Nobody understands Australians.

[Typo Lad]

Nobody understands Australians.
Their chief wepon is suprise and fear. No, wait...

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Their chief wepon is suprise and fear. No, wait...

I thought their chief weapon was Kevin Rudd.

But that would be a damp squib.

And if that makes no sense to you...ask Ian, Jag and the others.

[Tages]

You really don't understand Australians.
Marge: "I'll just have coffee."
Aussie: "Beer it is then."
Marge: "No, coffee."
Aussie: "Beer."
Marge: "COFF-EE."
Aussie: "BEE-ER."
Marge: "C-O-..."
Aussie: "B-E..."

[Sparda]

I was just curious that before Mel Gibson made his rascist remarks that if there were any Jews who was a fan of him but after what he said, do they still watch his movies?

[Iangould]

Beer is off limits because of the hops, as far as I know.


I would have thought it was the mixture of grain and yeast.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

I thought their chief weapon was Kevin Rudd.

But that would be a damp squib.

And if that makes no sense to you...ask Ian, Jag and the others.

Makes no sense to me.

I would happily throw him at someone though.
Preferably from on high.

[StoneGold]

I was just curious that before Mel Gibson made his rascist remarks that if there were any Jews who was a fan of him but after what he said, do they still watch his movies?
Problem with figuring that out exactly is inbetween the remarks and any other movies he might have made was Passion of the Christ. So if it did happen, it's more of a one-two punch, rather than a single event.

[Typo Lad]

I was just curious that before Mel Gibson made his rascist remarks that if there were any Jews who was a fan of him but after what he said, do they still watch his movies?

No idea. I haven't seem amy of his films in forever, myself.

[Super Hero Guy]

Dear Jew,

what's the deal with Jephthah sacrificing his daughter?

[Stellar]

Wait, I want this one.

It was his own fault. He's the one who was all "whoever is the first to come through the doors of my house will be given to God."

A vow is a vow.

[Typo Lad]

Who, Yiftach?

Differing opinions, one being that it's to show how evil making an oath can be. However, I always learned that although she was considered a Nadava (something one Swears to be consecrated to G-d or the Temple), she could no more be considered a valid sacrifice than a pig. Rather, she had to forgo traditional life and remain a virgin and never marry, as she 'belonged to G-d".

[Slaysh219]

Heya TL,

I've been reading that sex is for procreation purposes and it is forbidden for Jews to waste sperm. Does that mean that you can't receive Oral sex or perform Anal sex?

[Typo Lad]

First post and it's to "ATJ"? I'm honored.

Firstly, while the purpose of intercourse is mainly procreation, that doesn't mean it cannot be enjoyable. Indeed, a Jewish woman can get a divorce if her husband does not fulfill his duties properly.

As to the alternative forms of intercourse which you mention, please keep in mind that I am not a Rabbi, but I have heard it said that as long as the end product ends up in the proper area, then you can stop and see the sights along the way.

If you um, catch my meaning.

[SOGG]

You know, I counted and you've answered that question three times in this thread. That and kosher seem to be the most popular topics.

[Typo Lad]

You know, I counted and you've answered that question three times in this thread. That and kosher seem to be the most popular topics.
Am I at least consistent?

[Ontir]

Hey Typo,

A friend told me that in Borat, when he's talking with his manager, the two of them are actually speaking Hebrew. Is this true?

[Typo Lad]

I'll let you know after I see it Saturday night.

[jessecuster3]

Hey Typo,

A friend told me that in Borat, when he's talking with his manager, the two of them are actually speaking Hebrew. Is this true?


I have yet to see it myself, but as the actor who plays Borat is Jewish, I bet it really was.

[SOGG]

Am I at least consistent?
Very.
Esp. about the 'waste not' bit. It's fun seeing you try and evade saying naughty things.

[Typo Lad]

I'm at work. I feel wierd saying... those sort of words.

[Athena Bast]

This is less about asking the Jew but telling the Jew :D

I saw book on Jewish Origami the other day. :o

[Typo Lad]

Oooo.

temptress.

[SOGG]

This is less about asking the Jew but telling the Jew :D

I saw book on Jewish Origami the other day. :o

Hmm. What distinguishes this from normal origami?

[Typo Lad]

You have to tear a tiny bit off the tip?

[Mike Smash!]

From what I've read, Borat speaks and writes his notes in Hebrew (he's fluent), but his manager speaks Polish and they really bank on their "victims" not knowing how to speak either.

[Athena Bast]

Oooo.

temptress.

I figured it would be a cute thing for "Tot" to learn to do. It was pretty darn cool.

Linkie (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-2198168-5815153?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Jewish+Origami&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go) from Amazon. The first book was the one I saw.

[Forefinger]

What is so depressing about the black and latino Jews in prison?

[Typo Lad]

It shows that Jewish society is failing these people.

[Sandy Hausler]

This is less about asking the Jew but telling the Jew :D

I saw book on Jewish Origami the other day. :o

Well, of course. We invented it.

Sandy Hausler

[Winslow]

It shows that Jewish society is failing these people.

Really? Why?

Curiously, I don't feel that way when a Christian goes to jail. It's possible he or she didn't get the support from the church, but it's more likely it was a personal failure rather than the community's fault.

[Typo Lad]

Really? Why?

Curiously, I don't feel that way when a Christian goes to jail. It's possible he or she didn't get the support from the church, but it's more likely it was a personal failure rather than the community's fault.
I suppose it depends why he's in there, but even if he did it himself, it was due to his upbringing. Be it parents, educators, or the community, we all impact someone's upbringing. Obviously we failed with this person.

There are a staggering number of Jews who think it's perfectly okay to steal from non-Jews, for example.

[Kid Omega]

-how much gold is in the hidden pouch?

-why won't the hassidim just admit that they use a sheet with a hole in it?

-who hates jews more? anti-semites, or other jews?

[Typo Lad]

You asked all these questions before in the thread. I'm not answering them again!

[RubinCompServ]

-how much gold is in the hidden pouch?

-why won't the hassidim just admit that they use a sheet with a hole in it?

-who hates jews more? anti-semites, or other jews?

-Why do you assume that there is only one hidden pouch?

-Why doesn't Hillary Clinton just admit she's a Nigerian scammer?

-Your question has a logical fallacy in it. You are working from the mistaken assumption that no jews are anti-semitic, and that is not necessarily true.

[Ontir]

-Why doesn't Hillary Clinton just admit she's a Nigerian scammer?

Call for relevance, and sources.

[Typo Lad]

The Elders told us, so it must be true.

[RubinCompServ]

Call for relevance, and sources.

Relevance: It is just as ridiculous a claim as the one about Jews using sheets with holes.

Sources: None. That's the point.

It was a tongue-in-cheek reply. I'm sorry it wasn't taken that way.

[Typo Lad]

Rubin, you can put your tongue in my cheek any time.

[RubinCompServ]

Rubin, you can put your tongue in my cheek any time.

I would, but TypoLass might hit me.

hmm...let me think about that...

[DarkBlade]

I would, but TypoLass might hit me.

hmm...let me think about that...
Win-win, yes?

[RubinCompServ]

Win-win, yes?

I don't think that Typo is willing to share.

[Paradox]

And call her TypoLass and you may be in for a RADICAL "circumcision". :eek:

[Typo Lad]

And he's had opportunity to say it to her face, too.

[RubinCompServ]

Hey Typo,

What's your outlook on the American holiday of Thanksgiving?

[Typo Lad]

I think, as a concept, it's kinda sucky.

Let my favortite web comics explain!

http://www.somethingpositive.net/arch/thankless.gif

See what I mean?

That said, we "observe" it, in the sense that we get together with family and break bread. Partially because that's just what both our families did, partially because it's fun, and also because it's a nice, secualr holiday we can enjoy.

[Bouncing Boy]

Win-win, yes?
Not quite a win-win. He'd have to kiss Morts...and Morts slobbers and uses his tounge too much...er...I'd imagine


ZING!

[Bouncing Boy]

Dear Jew,

Would you be offended if I, a gentile, got cast as the old jewish shopkeeper in Cabaret?

[Typo Lad]

Dear actor,

Would you be offended if I said I never saw Cabaret?

[Bouncing Boy]

Dear actor,

Would you be offended if I said I never saw Cabaret?
Dear Jew,

Not at all. Basically, the character is an old jewish shopkeeper in Berlin, he becomes engaged to the landlady of the bording house where most of the characters live, then when the Nazis come to power, he has to break the engagment and quickly get out of dodge...so to speak.

Oh and I'll have to recind my offer to change those jpegs into gifs for you because I have to go to bed (darn this graveyard shift I work now).

[Typo Lad]

Hey, you have the last name for it. Take it with my blessing, my child.

And thanks anyway about the gifs.

[ChadtheH]

Uh, I gots some Jewish questions. Well, actually they're questions are for an observant Jew -- not questions that are Jewish. Anyway...

1. What do Jews believe will happen to the souls of goyim when they die?

2. You implied earlier that you feel the Jewish community has failed or let down various Jews who end up in prison, as though it's the responsibility of Jewry to prevent that. Is this your personal view, or is there a kind of teaching or understanding among Jews that they must look out for each other, keep each other from desperation and needing to resort to crime and all that? And how far does that obligation extend?

[Typo Lad]

Uh, I gots some Jewish questions. Well, actually they're questions are for an observant Jew -- not questions that are Jewish. Anyway...

I've hoid of coicumspect questions, but never coicumsizerd ones

1. What do Jews believe will happen to the souls of goyim when they die?

Goyim have souls...?

Seriously though; non-Jews (we don't like the word "goyim" in our house), have seven laws. Keep 'em and you're in.

2. You implied earlier that you feel the Jewish community has failed or let down various Jews who end up in prison, as though it's the responsibility of Jewry to prevent that. Is this your personal view, or is there a kind of teaching or understanding among Jews that they must look out for each other, keep each other from desperation and needing to resort to crime and all that? And how far does that obligation extend?

It's more of a personal thing, but there's a halachig (law) basis to it. There's a positive commandment of "pidyun svhuin", redemption of prisoners. I parse that to mean it's our job to keep them OUT of there in the first place.

otherwise, big philosophical debate.

[Rob on the Job]

My Hassidim:

One thing I've always wanted to know ...

if I convert from Catholicism to Judaism, will I get wealthy instantly or will it take, you know, a week or two for the money to roll in?

[Typo Lad]

My Hassidim:

One thing I've always wanted to know ...

if I convert from Catholicism to Judaism, will I get wealthy instantly or will it take, you know, a week or two for the money to roll in?
How can I put this?

Do not be holding your breath.

[Rob on the Job]

How can I put this?

Do not be holding your breath.

D'oh!

Boy, the priests hit the nail right on the head when they told us how stingy you guys were ...

[Bouncing Boy]

Hey, you have the last name for it. Take it with my blessing, my child.


Correction, I used to have the last name for it. I took Rally's last name when I married her. So now I have the last name for accepting the role of an ittalian character. heh. Callbacks for the show are tonight, so I should find out within the next couple days if I got the part.

[Tages]

Goyim have souls...?

Seriously though; non-Jews (we don't like the word "goyim" in our house), have seven laws. Keep 'em and you're in.
But that "no other gods" thing is a little tricky if you're a Christian with that whole Trinity business.

[Kan-Man]

As a fellow Jew who just discovered this thread, I have a couple of questions...

1) Why are we so good looking and don't you find it to be a burden at times?

2) What is the accepted spelling of Chanukah? Even at my 3 year old's Jewish nursery school I've seen a couple of different spellings.

[Davideaux]

Dear Jew,

Thanks for keeping this thread alive. I know you want it to die sometimes. But it's a fun and informative thing you've got going on. Good job!

[DarkBlade]

But that "no other gods" thing is a little tricky if you're a Christian with that whole Trinity business.
Yes and no. Trinity are all part of the same divinity. Checkout a three leaf clover. Three leaves, but still the same plant.

[Tages]

Yes and no. Trinity are all part of the same divinity. Checkout a three leaf clover. Three leaves, but still the same plant.
I try and interpret that particular Noahide Law as a command to be monotheistic. That way I'm in the clear!

[MacQuarrie]

Yes and no. Trinity are all part of the same divinity. Checkout a three leaf clover. Three leaves, but still the same plant.
My personal take on it is that "the trinity" describes three different relationships between God and Man.

God the Father has expectations and standards that we aspire to live up to. The Son is also subject to those expectations and standards and shows us how we should go about living up to them. The Spirit empowers us and helps us to not only achieve those goals, but also inspires us to want to try. But they're all the same entity. It's just that He's interacting with us in different ways, and we have to slap labels on things so we can understand them.

I'm one person, but I am also a father, husband, son, brother, and friend to various people. Jim the Father is a very different relationship than Jim the Son, and both are very different from Jim the Husband. I'm the same guy, but the issues involved and the dynamics surrounding the relationships are not the same.

[Typo Lad]

As a fellow Jew who just discovered this thread, I have a couple of questions...

Nice to meetcha!

1) Why are we so good looking and don't you find it to be a burden at times?

Oh yes.

Did you know there are women with black hat fetishes? And talit fetishes?

Wooie

2) What is the accepted spelling of Chanukah? Even at my 3 year old's Jewish nursery school I've seen a couple of different spellings.[/quote]

The proper spelling is in Hebrew. Transliterations are a big guessing game.

[Typo Lad]

I try and interpret that particular Noahide Law as a command to be monotheistic. That way I'm in the clear!
Many prominant sages agree with you.

[MichaelNetzer]

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[MichaelNetzer]

My personal take on it is that "the trinity" describes three different relationships between God and Man.

This is a very good way for Jews to understand the Trinity. Otherwise, we'd fall under the same criticism ourselves for the many names and attributes of H', described by the sages, as indicating a number of different dieties, instead of one.

Interestingly, the Rambam's only criticism of Christianity is the statues and images placed in the church and becoming objects of worship indicating signs of idol worship.

BUT... In a censored letter, the Rambam differentiated between Christianity and Islam by indicating that the fact that Christians believe in the authenticity of the Torah (while the Moslems don't) allows for Jews and Christians to discuss the Bible together, which he forbids to do with Moslems for this reason.

The letter was brought to Israel by Rabbi Yoseph Kapach at the turn of the century from Yemen and has been added to Rambam Le'Am, Sefer Shoftim, Hilchot Malachim, Chapter 11, section Daled. The issue mentioned above was an answer to a question about discussing the Bible with non-Jews found in the Q/A section at the end of this book.

I spoke with Rabbi Kapach's son, who lives in Ofra, and asked why this has been censored for so long, whether it was in fear of the Moslems or Christians. He replied: "No, it was in fear of the Jews who didn't want to hear it at the time, because of the persecution of the church."

Seems to me that to blame Jesus for the acts of the Church is similar to blaming Abraham and Moses for the corruption of the first and second kindoms which led to the fall of the Temples.

The primary reason this letter was censored appears to be in that the Rambam hints there at divine guidance of the rise of Jesus and Chrisianity, in preparation for the Ge'ula or Redemption of the world in the end of days.

Although most observant Jews do not yet incorporate the Rambam's idea in this censored letter to their Torah learning curriculum, there's little doubt that it calls, and sets the stage, for more tolerance and understanding between the two faiths as a neccassary pre-condition for the process of the healing of the world, longed for by both.

[Charles RB]

I found out one of my great-grandfather's was Jewish (and that's why the family moved here from Austria) but his wife wasn't; I'm wondering how ethnically Jewish that would make my grandmother.

[Iangould]

I found out one of my great-grandfather's was Jewish (and that's why the family moved here from Austria) but his wife wasn't; I'm wondering how ethnically Jewish that would make my grandmother.

Ethnically it makes her Jewish.

Theologically, it makes no matter because descent is traced through the maternal line.

If you wished to become an observant Jew, you'd have to go through a Mikvah, religious instruction; circumcision etc. If your great-gandmother had been Jewish there'd be fewer requirements.

[MichaelNetzer]

If you wished to become an observant Jew...

This is true, halachicly, according to the law of the sages. However it raises a question about non-observant Jews also being considered as 100% Jews, even halachicly.

If non-observant Jews are also Jews, then one could conceivably also choose to convert to being a non-observant Jew.. and they must also be considered a Jew. The issue has been in heated debate within the Jewish world since the rise of the state of Israel as the efforts materialized by reform and conservative Jews, to allow for their more lax conversion process to be accepted by the state, allowing for such convertees to come to Israel under the Law of Return.

Before the Halachic doctrine was written, it appears that conversion was a much simpler process than any performed today. Ruth the Moabite, for example, became a Jew by simply declaring to Naomi, her mother in law, that "Your people are my people and your God is my God."

There are still many groups and individuals whose ancestors were Jewish and have expressed such alliegance to the Jewish people, but are not considered Jews because they haven't undergone the observant conversion process.

[StoneGold]

If non-observant Jews are also Jews, then one could conceivably also choose to convert to being a non-observant Jew.. and they must also be considered a Jew.
And why would someone do that? For the jokes. Watley!!!

[MichaelNetzer]

And why would someone do that? For the jokes. Watley!!!

Or to boost Seinfeld's ratings.

Or for the same reason non-observant Jews wish to remain Jews.

Go figure... but it happens.

[Iangould]

And why would someone do that? For the jokes. Watley!!!


Serious answer:

Example One; A Russian Christian (for example) has a child married to a Jew; their grandchildren are Jews; they took advantage of the "right of return" to migrate to Israel with their family; the gfrandparent wants to be classified as Jews.

Example two: a women converts to Judaism; has children with her Jewish husband; divorces him and returns to her previous faith but agrees to continue to raise the children Jewish;

Example three: an Israeli-born Jew who speaks Hebrew as his first language; served in the IDF; lived on a kibbutz et cetera has a religious conversion and becomrs a Christian - but still regards himself as a Jew.

Example four: Jews do get some special treatment under Israeli law - for example in regard to immigration and to state housing assistance in the Occupied Territories so a committed secular Zionist might want to be regarded as a Jew for that reason.

[Rampaging Rabbit]

Anyone seen the news story about those Russian neo nazis living in Israel?

I'll find a link...

[Rampaging Rabbit]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/4038859.stm

Scroll down to the bottom, might not be true but I wouldnt be surprised.

[Matt Algren]

My personal take on it is that "the trinity" describes three different relationships between God and Man.
This can be such a confusing subject. Here's what CS Lewis had to say about it, from Mere Christianity.
God is a Being which contains three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube contains six squares while remaining one body. But as soon as I begin trying to explain how these Persons are connected, I have to use words which make it sound as if one of them was there before the others. The First Person is called the Father and the Second the Son. We say that the First begets or produces the Second; we call it begetting, not making, because what he produces is of the same kind as Himself. In that way the word Father is the only one to use. But unfortunately it suggests that He is there first--just as a human father exists before his son. But that is not so. There is no before and after about it... The Son exists because the Father exists: but there never was a time before the Father produced the Son.

We must think of the Son always, so to speak, streaming forth from the Father, like light from a lamp, or heat from a fire, or thoughts from a mind. He is the self-expression of the Father--what the Father has to say. And there never was a time when He was not saying it... All these pictures of light or heat are making it sound as if the Father and the Son are two things instead of two Persons. So that, after all, the New Testament picture of a Father and a Son turns out to be much more accurate than anything we try to substitute for it... Naturally God knows how to describe Himself much better than we know how to describe Him. He knows that Father and Son is more like the relation between the First and Second Persons than anything else we can think of. Much the most important thing to know is that it is a relation of love. The Father delights in His Son; the Son looks up to His Father...

The union between the Father and Son is such a live concrete thing that this union itself is a Person. I know this is almost inconceivable but look at it thus. You know that among human beings, when they get together in a family, or a club, or a trade union, people talk about the "spirit" of that family, or club, or trade union. They talk about its "spirit" because the individual members, when they are together, do really develop particular ways of talking and behaving, which they would not have if they were apart. It is as if a sort of communal personality came into existence. Of course, it is not a real person: it is only rather like a person. But that is just one of the difference between God and us. What grows out of the joint life of the Father and Son is a real Person, is in fact the Third of the three Persons who are God.

This third Person is called, in technical language, the Holy Ghost or the "spirit" of God. Do not be worried or surprised if you find it (or Him) rather vaguer or more shadowy in your mind than the other two... Perhaps some people might find it easier to begin with the third Person and work backward. God is love, and that love works through men--especially through the whole community of Christians. But this spirit of love is, from all eternity, a love going on between the Father and the Son.

We now return you to you regularly scheduled Jewish programming, already in progress.

[Typo Lad]

This is true, halachicly, according to the law of the sages. However it raises a question about non-observant Jews also being considered as 100% Jews, even halachicly.

You wouldn't, by chance, be refering to the likes of Rabbai Amar (http://chaverai.blogspot.com/2006/11/im-very-offended-right-now.html), would you?

Before the Halachic doctrine was written, it appears that conversion was a much simpler process than any performed today. Ruth the Moabite, for example, became a Jew by simply declaring to Naomi, her mother in law, that "Your people are my people and your God is my God."


Actually, I've heard at least one opinion that Rush and her sister had converted in Moab, just for the sake of things, and Naomi was giving them an out, but only Ruth's sister took it.

There are still many groups and individuals whose ancestors were Jewish and have expressed such alliegance to the Jewish people, but are not considered Jews because they haven't undergone the observant conversion process.

And now the B'nai Menashe can't even do that, because India has outlawed it!

[MichaelNetzer]

This can be such a confusing subject. Here's what CS Lewis had to say about it, from Mere Christianity.
...

We now return you to you regularly scheduled Jewish programming, already in progress.

This is actually a fundemental Jewish premise, passed down from father to son, throughout Jewish history. A truly practiced premise and not a mere idology, whose results we see today throughout the world and are even reflected within Christianity in the concept of the trinity.

[MichaelNetzer]

Serious answer:

Serious response:

Example One; A Russian Christian (for example) has a child married to a Jew; their grandchildren are Jews; they took advantage of the "right of return" to migrate to Israel with their family; the gfrandparent wants to be classified as Jews.

Whether they'll be classified as Jews should be dependant upon their intent regarding their intimation to the Jewish people and not on the expense this would become to the Israeli state under the law of return. If they truly feel they belong with the Jewish people, as Jews, this should be the prevailing consideration and they should be allowed to demonstrate this.

The halachic conversion is not providing an answer for the true intent of the convertees, as many have declared they'll live an observant life and showed othewise after the conversion.

A Hassidic looking man, appearing to be very Jewish, walked unto a bus in Jerusalem several years ago and blew himself up killing more than 20 people and injuring many more.

It's easy for anyone to put on an act which satisfies Halachic criteria for an extended period of time. The question is whether we can allow to throw out the baby with the bathwater because of this. Shouldn't the criteria become more focussed on allowing for peoples serious feeling of belonging to the Jewish people to become the prevalent factor in the issue of who is a Jew?

Example two: a women converts to Judaism; has children with her Jewish husband; divorces him and returns to her previous faith but agrees to continue to raise the children Jewish;

Once a Jew, a Jew remains a Jew within the eyes of G-D and the Jewish people, regardless of how many conversions they make to other faiths. This is an undisputable tenent of Judaism. So it shouldn't matter if they were a convertee or not. It's a situation we live with and may not fully understand the positive reprucussions it has in the long-range role of the Jewish people among the nations.

Another premise of Judaism is that we are forbidden to even remind a convertee that they once converted. Once converted to Judaism, there should be no difference (except in the case of a Cohen, a priestly function and not one of being Jewish)

Example three: an Israeli-born Jew who speaks Hebrew as his first language; served in the IDF; lived on a kibbutz et cetera has a religious conversion and becomrs a Christian - but still regards himself as a Jew.

Not only he regards himself as Jew, but so does the Halacha continue to regard him as a Jew, regarless. There should be no problem with this. It happens and we live with it. It appears to even serve the function of being a light unto the nations by bringing a positive influence into the ways of the nations.

Example four: Jews do get some special treatment under Israeli law - for example in regard to immigration and to state housing assistance in the Occupied Territories so a committed secular Zionist might want to be regarded as a Jew for that reason.

A Jewish committed secular zionist is no less a Jew than the greatest Chacham in Israel or Mashiach himself. Being Jewish is not graded by a degree of religious observance, nor by the economic needs of the State of Israel. Being Jewish is an unalienable right of a Jew and cannot become defined by religious heirachy or for the purpose of economic gain.

[MichaelNetzer]

You wouldn't, by chance, be refering to the likes of Rabbai Amar (http://chaverai.blogspot.com/2006/11/im-very-offended-right-now.html), would you?

This is a terrible law which comes to alienate convertees for the sake of economic gain. It is a complete and outrageous violation of a basic principle of the Torah. The worst thing is that it comes from a Chief Rabbi in Israel.

Actually, I've heard at least one opinion that Rush and her sister had converted in Moab, just for the sake of things, and Naomi was giving them an out, but only Ruth's sister took it.

True, but it shows that Ruth didn't convert "just for the sake of things" and that we must be careful in how we judge such issues.

And now the B'nai Menashe can't even do that, because India has outlawed it!

Bnei Menashe have stood the test of their Jewish identity under far more difficult conditions than most of the other Jews of the diaspora. They are an amazing realization of the gathering of the dispersed.

Israel has recently brought over a large community from India but their status remains in dispute here, Halachicly. Still, the gathering continues, regardless of the folly of our political-religious institutes. An inspiring phenomenon, indeed.

[Iangould]

"The halachic conversion is not providing an answer for the true intent of the convertees, as many have declared they'll live an observant life and showed othewise after the conversion."

Not just convertees either.

Isaac Asimov was an atheist but still lived and socialised mostly in Jewish circles in New York.

He has a great anecdote about a guy who Isaac met while on holidays in the Catskills. They hit it off and so did their wives.

A week or so after he gets back to New York Isaac rings up and invites the other couple out to dinner the next day.

The guy is very forsty and points out that its one of the High holy Days (I forget which) and suggests they meet after the holiday.

They meet for lunch and the guy gives Isaac a lecture about respecting his culture - then the waiter shows up and he orders a ham and cheese sandwich.

[Typo Lad]

This is a terrible law which comes to alienate convertees for the sake of economic gain. It is a complete and outrageous violation of a basic principle of the Torah. The worst thing is that it comes from a Chief Rabbi in Israel.

Amen.

I thought his predeccesor's comments about Hurrican Katrina were ill-thought out, but Rabbi Amar's take the cake- esspecially as they fly in the face of his predeccesor's policies.

True, but it shows that Ruth didn't convert "just for the sake of things" and that we must be careful in how we judge such issues.

I could not agree more.

Bnei Menashe have stood the test of their Jewish identity under far more difficult conditions than most of the other Jews of the diaspora. They are an amazing realization of the gathering of the dispersed.

It's just a fascinating story. When you sit and think how we're finding actual Lost Tribes, you just can't help but feel that we live in Interesting Times.

Pity not everyone can see that.

Israel has recently brought over a large community from India but their status remains in dispute here, Halachicly. Still, the gathering continues, regardless of the folly of our political-religious institutes. An inspiring phenomenon, indeed.

The other issue is back in India, where they won't let anymore come in.

Meanwhile, Ethiopian Jews still starve and wait in Africa, waiting for Right of Return, only to come Home and be treated like less than human.

I get very saddned by things like this.

Oh and, nice to see you posting again, sir.

[Typo Lad]

Another premise of Judaism is that we are forbidden to even remind a convertee that they once converted. Once converted to Judaism, there should be no difference (except in the case of a Cohen, a priestly function and not one of being Jewish)

Don't forget, converts also get to marry mamzerim. This used to bother certain converts of my aquantance to no end until someone gave them a decent explination. It's not a "punishment" for the convert, but an easing of strife for the mamzerim. As someone with no forbearers, legally, a mamzerim can normally only marry another mamzerim. As a convert also technically has no forbearers, the Torah allows that union as well.

A Jewish committed secular zionist is no less a Jew than the greatest Chacham in Israel or Mashiach himself. Being Jewish is not graded by a degree of religious observance, nor by the economic needs of the State of Israel. Being Jewish is an unalienable right of a Jew and cannot become defined by religious heirachy or for the purpose of economic gain.

You can't see it, but I'm applauding.

[Dennis K]

Dear Jew,

Why is it that so many people don't seem to realize that the Borat movie is anti anti-Semetic amongst other things?

Sincerely,
Dennis K.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Dear Jew,

Why is it that so many people don't seem to realize that the Borat movie is anti anti-Semetic amongst other things?

Sincerely,
Dennis K.

Sascha Baron Cohen is Jewish, N'est Pa?

[Dennis K]

Sascha Baron Cohen is Jewish, N'est Pa?


Indeed he is, devoutly so, if the recent Rolling Stone interview with him is accurate.

[Cam63]

Dear Jew,

Why is it that so many people don't seem to realize that the Borat movie is anti anti-Semetic amongst other things?

Sincerely,
Dennis K.

It's a satire. Don't take it seriously.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Indeed he is, devoutly so, if the recent Rolling Stone interview with him is accurate.

Okay...going on that logic, how can any "attack" on his faith be anything but pro-semetic in its bent?

[Typo Lad]

I dunno if I'd call him "devout", although he has a strong Jewish identity, yes.

That said, people don't realize it's a paradoy of anti-Semetic talking points becaause, well, they want it to be anti-semetic. Either to agree with it or to fight it.

[Ilash]

Amen.

I thought his predeccesor's comments about Hurrican Katrina were ill-thought out, but Rabbi Amar's take the cake- esspecially as they fly in the face of his predeccesor's policies.



Out of curiosity, what did he say about Hurricane Katrina? I remember receiving an e-mail that quoted what the Sfardi Chief Rabbi of Israel apparently said about the disaster but it was so thoughtless and insensitive, not to mention strangely illogical that I was sure it was a hoax or a misprint at the very least. Please tell me that that was all it was.

[Typo Lad]

Out of curiosity, what did he say about Hurricane Katrina? I remember receiving an e-mail that quoted what the Sfardi Chief Rabbi of Israel apparently said about the disaster but it was so thoughtless and insensitive, not to mention strangely illogical that I was sure it was a hoax or a misprint at the very least. Please tell me that that was all it was.
A lot of people are saying it was out of context and a mistranslation but it was pretty bad.

And yes, illogical.

I'd rather not mention it publically.

[Ilash]

A lot of people are saying it was out of context and a mistranslation but it was pretty bad.

And yes, illogical.

I'd rather not mention it publically.

So that is what you were talking about. Then yeah, I'm definitely with you not wanting to talk about it publically.

[Grazzt]

Dear Jew,

After reading this (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2706393.html), I was wondering, do you have a favourite retelling of the story of Chanukah?

[Sparda]

Dear Jew,

If I wanted to convert to being of the Jewish faith, what steps must one take? Is it hard to convert to jewish faith?

Does sterotype jewish jokes piss you off?

Can you kick Mel Gibson's ass in hand to hand combat?

Just those questions.

[MichaelNetzer]

They meet for lunch and the guy gives Isaac a lecture about respecting his culture - then the waiter shows up and he orders a ham and cheese sandwich.

Seems to me, Ian, that this is where religious zeal begins to distort its own fundementals and paints an awkward picture of its intentions.

I don't believe this guy had any reason to be offended at Isaac's request to meet on a holy day or at having a ham and cheese sandwich while dining with him at a public restaurant. If he was offended, it shows a very fundemental misunderstanding he has of the intent of the law.

Isaac may or may not have been aware of the holiday. Either way, the guy could've just explained why he can't meet on that day WITHOUT taking offense.

But the ham and cheese is a different story. Isaac most likely knew exactly the implications of doing it and was making a statement. It's one thing to inform a friend about a cultural or religious edict you hold to as an observant Jew, when there's reason to believe your friend isn't aware of it. In this case, however, to impose one's own sensitivity on another, crosses a line that the Torah doesn't really condone. "Graceful ways come before the law." or "Derech Eretz Kadma La'Torah."

To try to impose a Halachic behaviour on other Jews who are aware of the law but choose, for whatever reason, not to observe it... is akin to taking away each person't G-d given freedom of choice. This is a big problem within the religious idology. G-d gives the law but gives us the free choice to follow it or not. We don't have the right to take away this freedom of choice from anyone, regarding what's between G-d and man, any more than G-d would... and He doesn't.

Regarding issues that are between man and G-d, the graceful conduct and respect for others' freedom of choice supercedes our intrusion into their relationship with G-d. Isaac chooses to eat a ham and cheese in presence of an observant Jew. If the observant Jew is right in his ways, he shouldn't take offense but rather simply understand that this issue is between Isaac and his maker.

The guy would have reason to rebuke Isaac on issues between Isaac and his fellow man, such as if Isaac was insulting or opressing others around him. But on issues between Isaac and G-d, it's not any man's jurisdiction to judge, only G-d's alone.

Who knows what credit Isaac has with his maker and how he'll be judged for doing it? And who knows how this guy will be judged for intruding with his judgemental attitude on an issue which isn't his to judge... namely what's between Isaac and G-d.

The problem with observant people taking offense at the behaviour of the non-observant, is a bigger tresspass before G-d than the non-observant behaviour itself... Because it's a tresspass against your fellow man.

[MichaelNetzer]

Amen. I thought his predeccesor's comments about Hurrican Katrina were ill-thought out, but Rabbi Amar's take the cake- esspecially as they fly in the face of his predeccesor's policies.

I read your blog from time to time and am in admiration of your efforts to bring peace and understanding between the divided sectors of the people. What you wrote about this issue is true and courageous, Mordecai.

It's just a fascinating story. When you sit and think how we're finding actual Lost Tribes, you just can't help but feel that we live in Interesting Times. Pity not everyone can see that.

Seeing they see but don't perceive, hearing they hear but don't understand. It's the way of the world but a big change is coming.

Meanwhile, Ethiopian Jews still starve and wait in Africa, waiting for Right of Return, only to come Home and be treated like less than human. I get very saddned by things like this.

Don't be any more saddened than R. Akiva who laughed at seeing the fox in the burnt temple because he knew it was a sign of the coming redemption. We're on our way to a glorious new time and a healing of the world. In that, there's reason to rejoice.

Oh and, nice to see you posting again, sir.

It's always an inspiration to be in your presence with this fine group and the thought provoking discussion, good sir.

[Iangould]

Seems to me, Ian, that this is where religious zeal begins to distort its own fundementals and paints an awkward picture of its intentions.

I don't believe this guy had any reason to be offended at Isaac's request to meet on a holy day or at having a ham and cheese sandwich while dining with him at a public restaurant. If he was offended, it shows a very fundemental misunderstanding he has of the intent of the law.

Sorry mike, I was unclear - it was the guy lecturing Isaac who ordered the ham sandwich.

[Ilash]

Sorry mike, I was unclear - it was the guy lecturing Isaac who ordered the ham sandwich.

Yup but it doesn't make anything Michael said anything less than a hundred percent true.

[Typo Lad]

Dear Jew,

After reading this (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2706393.html), I was wondering, do you have a favourite retelling of the story of Chanukah?

That's actually it!

Followed closely by the SmallWonder Puppet Theater version.

Ahhhh memories.

[Typo Lad]

If I wanted to convert to being of the Jewish faith, what steps must one take?

There's a great article (http://soyouwanna.com/site/syws/judaism/judaism.html) about this online, and a [url=http://www.jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm#Conversion]more general one worth reading too[/quote].

Read those and if you still have any more questions, let me know.

Is it hard to convert to jewish faith?

As the spouse of a convert I would have to say "yes". One of the most basic issues converts run into is family rejection. My wife's family has been great about her conversion, respecting our faith. However, there's one relative who drinks and one night called my sister-in-law (who also converted) and left a drunken rant about her leaving her people for a bunch of Christ-killers. That was fun.

There's also a tremendous issue with acceptance. While someone is converting, we're supposed to dissuade them. I honestly think this policy is good, and may be part of why Jews were tollerated in so many countries (the non-missionary nature and all). However, some people continue this post-conversion, ignorantly. Some say stupid things out of ignorance. For example, at our own wedding, someone offered to walk my wife down. i told them her parents would. They flipped out, saying that they were gentiles and could not. I had prepared for this and had a p'sak from Rav Aaron Solvechick that not only could they, but they must. Still, people do that all the time.

Then there's the lifestyle changes. I grew up with no TV, Radio, etc on Shabbos. My Saturdays involved laying on the couch and reading or visiting friends. Some weekends this is still difficult for my wife.

Does sterotype jewish jokes piss you off?

Only if they're poorly told.

"When you Wish upon a Wienstien" is my favorite Family Guy episode. The uncut version.

Can you kick Mel Gibson's ass in hand to hand combat?

Do I get prep time?

[Bouncing Boy]

Can you kick Mel Gibson's ass in hand to hand combat?
Do I get prep time?

BEST. ANSWER. EVER!

Seriously, I litterally laughed out loud at this.

[Typo Lad]

I read your blog from time to time and am in admiration of your efforts to bring peace and understanding between the divided sectors of the people. What you wrote about this issue is true and courageous, Mordecai.

Thank you Michael. You honestly made me blush a little.

Seeing they see but don't perceive, hearing they hear but don't understand. It's the way of the world but a big change is coming.

We can only hope for the better.


Don't be any more saddened than R. Akiva who laughed at seeing the fox in the burnt temple because he knew it was a sign of the coming redemption. We're on our way to a glorious new time and a healing of the world. In that, there's reason to rejoice.

Not only is my cup half empty, this isn't even what I ordered.

It's always an inspiration to be in your presence with this fine group and the thought provoking discussion, good sir.

Again with the blushing!

[Sparda]

Yes you have a day of prep time to beat MEL GIBSON!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for the info btw. So on sunday's, you can't use electricity at all or is it just for the very religious folks?

And which day is best to attend service at the Jewish temple, friday or saturday?

[Typo Lad]

BEST. ANSWER. EVER!

Seriously, I litterally laughed out loud at this.
Bows head in thanks

I'll be here all week. Try the faux-veal.

[Typo Lad]

Yes you have a day of prep time to beat MEL GIBSON!!!!!!!!!

Hand to hand? Hmmm...

On the one hand, he's old. On the other hand, I have a heart condition.

Still, with prep I could take him.

Thanks for the info btw. So on sunday's, you can't use electricity at all or is it just for the very religious folks?

The Jewish Sabbath (Shabbos or Shabbat, depending if you use the Ashkenazik or Sephardic customs) is actually Saturday. To be more specific from sundown Friday night until the stars come out on Saturday night (the Hebriac day starts at sunset).

Several denomonations won't use electronic devices, with different levels of severity. For example, some will set timers and others will not. Modern Orthodox Jews and those of more stringent sects all keep this, and some Convervative Jews do as well.

And which day is best to attend service at the Jewish temple, friday or saturday?

Depends. Some shuls have very involved Friday Night services, especially now when Shabbos starts so early. If you were in New York I would heartily recomnd the Spanish-Portugese Shul on the Upper West Side on a Friday Night. Amazing Chior. Shabbos Day services are longer and generally include a drasha(speech) and can be very interesting, especially with a good Chazan (cantor).

[Gilda Dent]

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[Typo Lad]

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Brian, if you're reading this, that's gotta be worth at least ten coolpoints.

[DarkBlade]

.. Huh?

~DB

[Typo Lad]

They sly fox edited it.

You shouldn't have Gilda. it was hilarious.

[Gilda Dent]

I made a somewhat tasteless joke, was concerned that maybe I'd offend someone, and deleted it a few minutes later.

[Winslow]

I made a somewhat tasteless joke, was concerned that maybe I'd end of offending someone, and deleted it a few minutes later.

If I did this, at least half my posts would be self-edited.

[RubinCompServ]

How do you feel about people wishing you a Merry Xmas?

[Sgt. Preston]

There's also a tremendous issue with acceptance. While someone is converting, we're supposed to dissuade them. I honestly think this policy is good, and may be part of why Jews were tollerated in so many countries (the non-missionary nature and all). However, some people continue this post-conversion, ignorantly. Some say stupid things out of ignorance. For example, at our own wedding, someone offered to walk my wife down. i told them her parents would. They flipped out, saying that they were gentiles and could not. I had prepared for this and had a p'sak from Rav Aaron Solvechick that not only could they, but they must. Still, people do that all the time.

Some great points here. My mom converted to judaism when she married my dad. I was born jewish, did the bar mitzvah, etc, yet when I tried to attend an orthodox service one year I was prevented from entering and advised that I was not considered a jew since my mother was originally a gentile. It's this type of exclusionary behaviour that tarnishes religion and turned me off to it completely. And yes, the irony of telling this story with a Santa avatar has not escaped me.:)

[MichaelNetzer]

How do you feel about people wishing you a Merry Xmas?

http://www.michaelnetzer.com/rEvolution/images/stories/sitenews/hg.jpg

[Ilash]

Some great points here. My mom converted to judaism when she married my dad. I was born jewish, did the bar mitzvah, etc, yet when I tried to attend an orthodox service one year I was prevented from entering and advised that I was not considered a jew since my mother was originally a gentile. It's this type of exclusionary behaviour that tarnishes religion and turned me off to it completely. And yes, the irony of telling this story with a Santa avatar has not escaped me.:)

Sorry to jump in here before Typo gets to this but was your mom converted orthodox or reform because if it was the latter, there is a chance that it might be a case of an orthodox synagogue not recognizing a reform conversion?

[Sgt. Preston]

Sorry to jump in here before Typo gets to this but was your mom converted orthodox or reform because if it was the latter, there is a chance that it might be a case of an orthodox synagogue not recognizing a reform conversion?

Mom was converted to reform which is what Dad is, but they didn't have a problem with that. Others that were reform were allowed in, but we were advised that converts of any type were not considered jews and since I was the son of a convert that I was not jewish either. They told my Dad that he could enter, but I could not.

[Ilash]

Mom was converted to reform which is what Dad is, but they didn't have a problem with that. Others that were reform were allowed in, but we were advised that converts of any type were not considered jews and since I was the son of a convert that I was not jewish either. They told my Dad that he could enter, but I could not.

Wow, then frankly, they do seem to be quite misguided. There's simply no basis for their belief and as typo noted, it is quite contrary to what Jewish law states in that converts are considered to be every bit as Jewish as someone born a Jew.

[Ilash]

Typo, I have a question for you. I admit that this question could be quite contentious and if you feel that this is not an appropriate place to deal with this then tell me and I will end the discussion here (or alternatively we could carry it on through private messages). I also want to state that I am questioning a thought system and not in any way trying to belittle any of those who follow it. My question is this: What is your opinion on Reform Judaism and other streams of Judaism that are similar to it?

I ask this because as an Orthodox Jew in a country (or at least city) where the VAST majority of jews - indeed, whether they are "religious"/"frum" or not - are Orthodox, I am curious to hear what another Orthodox Jew living in a country where Reform is the largest stream of Judaism has to say on the subject. Do you, for example, view the whole stream as being ultimately harmful to Judaism or is it just another way, valid on its own terms, for a jew to practice his religion?

[Typo Lad]

How do you feel about people wishing you a Merry Xmas?

I simply say "Thank you" if it is a stranger and "Many returns of the season" if the are someone I barely know. Friends get "A good CHanukah to you!"

We're in Exile. No need to be snarky.

[Typo Lad]

http://www.michaelnetzer.com/rEvolution/images/stories/sitenews/hg.jpg

Fun story...

The grandchildren of the late Kussina Rebbe were having Shabbos lunch one December. As one of the kids reached for the coke bottle, his eyes went wide.

"Ema? Why is Zaidie on the coke bottle?"

[Typo Lad]

Mom was converted to reform which is what Dad is, but they didn't have a problem with that. Others that were reform were allowed in, but we were advised that converts of any type were not considered jews and since I was the son of a convert that I was not jewish either. They told my Dad that he could enter, but I could not.

Thats completely and utterly assur (forbidden). If they were going to say they don't accept reform conversions, that's one thing. Fine, so they should not count you for the minyan and be careful not to let you lead the service. Fine.

However, you simply can't bar someone from entering a shul! It's just not allowed.

[Typo Lad]

Typo, I have a question for you. I admit that this question could be quite contentious and if you feel that this is not an appropriate place to deal with this then tell me and I will end the discussion here (or alternatively we could carry it on through private messages).

Hey, this thread could use a littel contraversy!

I also want to state that I am questioning a thought system and not in any way trying to belittle any of those who follow it.

Understood and respected.

I ask this because as an Orthodox Jew in a country (or at least city) where the VAST majority of jews - indeed, whether they are "religious"/"frum" or not - are Orthodox,

So you have fakers too, eh?

Damn fakers.

I am curious to hear what another Orthodox Jew living in a country where Reform is the largest stream of Judaism has to say on the subject. Do you, for example, view the whole stream as being ultimately harmful to Judaism or is it just another way, valid on its own terms, for a jew to practice his religion?

Well, as Rav Aaron Solveitchick z'l said : "If you are secure in your Judaism, you don't insult other religions. If you are secure in your Orthodoxy, you don't look down on other Jews."

I look at it this way – The Conservative and Reform movements are maintaining Jewish identity for thousands of people who might otherwise have none. Although I may not agree with many of the views that they have, that does not negate the fact that they are Jews trying to be the best Jew they can be. That is to be commended.

On a personal level, it gets trickier. See, my sister-in-law is also a convert to Judaism, like my wife (it's a family thing. An aunt is thinking of it too). However, my SIL converted with a Reform Rabbi.

Now, in my view and the view of my wife, her conversion was not valid. That doesn't mean we belittle her in any way. In fact, we were proud of her when she first moved to New York and was teaching Bar/Bat Mitzvah. One of our biggest issues with her current relationship is that despite the fact that he's Jewish from birth, he's slowly made her less and less religious – to the point that they are wedding without him having a get (Religious divorce).\

Getting back on topic…

There are many schools of Judaism I don't agree with: Chabad, Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist, Naturai Karta, Kach… that does not mean that they're "bad" (although the last two skirt pretty close), just that they aren't for me. If someone gets something out of those that I do not, bully for them.

I would much rather meet a Jew of a different school than meet a Jew who has thrown off Torah completely.

[DarkBlade]

Fun story...

The grandchildren of the late Kussina Rebbe were having Shabbos lunch one December. As one of the kids reached for the coke bottle, his eyes went wide.

"Ema? Why is Zaidie on the coke bottle?"

Google has failed me. Who?

[Winslow]

We're in Exile. No need to be snarky.

In Exile? Is that tongue in cheek, or do you really view yourselves that way?

[Typo Lad]

Google has failed me. Who?

You won't find anything about him online. Rabbi Rottenberg, Z'll. Great, great man. Wonderful Chassidic dynasty. When he passed, his son in Monsey began calling his brother in Boro Park "The Rebbe" and the son in Boro Park did the same in reverse. Very touching. Sweet, amazing, brilliant men all, and amazing women.

Rebbetzin Rottenberg once told my mother that her mind-boggling amount of children and grandchildren was her revenge on Hitler.

In Exile? Is that tongue in cheek, or do you really view yourselves that way?

Not tongue in cheek. Until Moshiach comes we are in Exile.

[Winslow]

Not tongue in cheek. Until Moshiach comes we are in Exile.

Exile in what way?

[DarkBlade]

You won't find anything about him online. Rabbi Rottenberg, Z'll. Great, great man. Wonderful Chassidic dynasty. When he passed, his son in Monsey began calling his brother in Boro Park "The Rebbe" and the son in Boro Park did the same in reverse. Very touching. Sweet, amazing, brilliant men all, and amazing women.

Cool. :)

Rebbetzin Rottenberg once told my mother that her mind-boggling amount of children and grandchildren was her revenge on Hitler.

*giggles* I like that. :)

[Typo Lad]

Exile in what way?

This is harder to answer than I thought.

The most basic answer is "Exile from Eretz Yisroel". Of course, your average Secular Zionist will respond "But we have the State of Israel!"

It's not the same thing. Don't get me wrong! I'm grateful that Israel exists and it holds a special place in my part, but it's a Secular state that happens to be on Holy Ground. It's just another nation.

(I hope I haven't offended any of the other Jewish posters, especially the Israeli ones)

Essentially, the Jewish people have been in Exile since the destruction of the Second Temple. That Exile will end with the coming of Moshiach, which will result in the establishment of the 3rd and Final Temple and the re-establishment of the Davidic Dynasty and the Sanhedrin.

Please note that Exile is not meant as a pejorative comment on the prevalent culture. Rather, it is an observation that we are apart from said culture and are supposed to remain so.




I hope that made sense.

[Typo Lad]

*giggles* I like that. :)

One time when we went to visit, one of his six year old great-grandchildren walked up to me holding an infant.

"Zis is mine unkle! You want to hold him?"

[Winslow]

I hope that made sense.

Yes and no.

So the Orthodox Jewish concept of the seperation of church and state is based upon being in exile?

In other words it a pragmatic outworking rather than a theological concept?

And this:
Essentially, the Jewish people have been in Exile since the destruction of the Second Temple. That Exile will end with the coming of Moshiach, which will result in the establishment of the 3rd and Final Temple and the re-establishment of the Davidic Dynasty and the Sanhedrin.

. . . is very close to Christian dispensational belief.

[Typo Lad]

Yes and no.

So the Orthodox Jewish concept of the seperation of church and state is based upon being in exile?

In other words it a pragmatic outworking rather than a theological concept?

Well, according to Jewish law you can't have a King without Hashem's will, so in a way, yes.

However, there is a form of seperation in that there are checks and balances built into the system. There are also seperate laws for dealing with Non-Jews (generally the law is much, much harsher for Jews).

And this:


. . . is very close to Christian dispensational belief.

In what sense?

[Winslow]

In what sense?

They (I'm not dispensationalist) believe in the restoration of nation-state of ancient Israel (with a Davidic King). Dispensationalists also believe the temple will be restored with the retrun of Moshiach.

Now they believe Moshiach is Christ on his second return - which is a huge theological difference - I know - but everything else is the exactly the same.

[Davideaux]

Is Ariel Sharon a boy-jew or a girl-jew? Because both of that person's names are pretty feminine.

[Typo Lad]

Ari-el means "Lion of G-d" and is very much a masculin name.

The problem is that the English name Arie-el is spelled the same.

They're pronounced very differently.

And it's Sha-rone, not Charon.

[Winslow]

And it's Sha-rone, not Charon.

HA!

Did you mean that as double entendre?

[Davideaux]

It's just that when I hear Ariel I think of Kitty Pryde. (tongue in cheek)

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Exile on Mensch Street.

Damn fine album by the Doodletown Piper's

[Typo Lad]

HA!

Did you mean that as double entendre?
No, but it SHOULD be.

[Sgt. Preston]

Thats completely and utterly assur (forbidden). If they were going to say they don't accept reform conversions, that's one thing. Fine, so they should not count you for the minyan and be careful not to let you lead the service. Fine.

However, you simply can't bar someone from entering a shul! It's just not allowed.

Yeah, I was not impressed by the experience. Unfortunately some people take things too far by distorting rules that are in place for other reasons. You'd think we would have been welcome with open arms since we came there with a genuine curiosity and an open mind.

[Typo Lad]

Sgt, if you're ever in the Teaneck NJ area, you're welcome to join us for a Shabbos meal.

Same goes for anyone, honestly.

[Rob on the Job]

ASK THE JEW:

Rabboni, please forgive me if this question has been asked previously because I do not have the Talmudic patience to scroll through 160 freaking pages, but --

as you know, I am pondering a conversion to Judaism in order to up my financial status. You previously warned me that converting to Judaism does not automatically mean I will become wealthy.

Very well. That does not dissuade me.

So ... here's another query: If I do indeed become a Jew, because I am already circumcised, do I have to have my putz reattached so that it can be ceremonially sawed-off again for a bris?

Your prompt reply is appreciated.

Sincerely,

Rob FNAC [for now a Catholic]

[Rob on the Job]

Ahem.

Rabboni ...

It has been more than three hours since I made my urgent inquiry to you regarding my putz and the bris.

I am waiting here patiently, hoping the Krazy Glue® I have on standby does not harden while waiting for your response.

Please expedite your wisdom.

Sincerely,

Rob CLMTJ [Catholicism Less Messy Than Judaism]

[Jeff-E]

Hey, quick question that may have been anwsered but there is over 100+ pages to go through so I just figured I'd ask, and I'm sure I'll have more questions later, so here goes:

In the Jewish faith is there a Heaven and Hell?

Might be a dumb question but I didn't know. Thanks.

[Typo Lad]

Answered it a lot and really tired, so I'm cutting and pastng.

[quote=me]Okay, so it works like this - reincarnation is a core concept of Judaism, but not one that many laypeople know about. It's not heavily studied. Hell in the Christian sense of eternal hellfire does not exist. However, there is a maximum 12-month stay in a place where our souls are cleansed of remaining sin. However, to get into this, one must already be "good enough" Those who aren't are reincarnated to try again.

How'd I do?

Heaven is... more complex. Argued about. Too tired to remember exact opinions. Sorry.[/quote

And I'm STILL Tired!

Michael, Ian, Jesse or Ilash, feel free to chime in!

[Ilash]

Well, as I recall from going through Derech Hashem a while back, there's a concept of sort of a blissful storage place for souls (whatever on earth that means) before they come back down to earth to join again with our resurrected bodies in the time of mashiah. Or something like that. Honestly, as you say, the Jewish concept of heaven is so conflicted and so complex it's hard to give anything like a straight answer.

[Mike Smash!]

Morts,

Of the three Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Islam, Judaism), Judaism is easily the smallest in number of adherents.

Any theories on why that might be? Could it be that it's less overtly evangelical than the other two or is it likely some other reason?

[Ilash]

Hey, this thread could use a littel contraversy!



Understood and respected.



So you have fakers too, eh?

Damn fakers.



Actually, I'm not really referring to "fakers" here (though we certainly have some of those too) but I'll get to that in a moment.



Well, as Rav Aaron Solveitchick z'l said : "If you are secure in your Judaism, you don't insult other religions. If you are secure in your Orthodoxy, you don't look down on other Jews."


Agreed. Which is why I'm challenging Reform Judaism, not Reform Jews.


I look at it this way – The Conservative and Reform movements are maintaining Jewish identity for thousands of people who might otherwise have none. Although I may not agree with many of the views that they have, that does not negate the fact that they are Jews trying to be the best Jew they can be. That is to be commended.


That's perfectly fair except that I'm not entirely sure that Conservative and reform have to be in place for this to happen. I say this because of my experience from the community I live in. As I said, Reform is a small fringe movement here and the reason that is is simply because it's not really needed. As an example, my parents go to a shul that is probably seventy percent irreligious but it's still entirely Orthodox, which means that it does pretty much all of what you say Reform or Conservative does but does so according to actual halacha. As I say, it's not really seen as much of a paradox for a person to be "irreligious" and "Orthodox" at the same time.


On a personal level, it gets trickier. See, my sister-in-law is also a convert to Judaism, like my wife (it's a family thing. An aunt is thinking of it too). However, my SIL converted with a Reform Rabbi.

Now, in my view and the view of my wife, her conversion was not valid. That doesn't mean we belittle her in any way. In fact, we were proud of her when she first moved to New York and was teaching Bar/Bat Mitzvah. One of our biggest issues with her current relationship is that despite the fact that he's Jewish from birth, he's slowly made her less and less religious – to the point that they are wedding without him having a get (Religious divorce).\


Now this is where I really start having problems with "Progressive Jewry". While there are plenty of arguments between the various Jewish sects like Lubavitch, Charedi, Sphardi, Ashkenzi, none of these result in conflicts as to whether a person is Jewish or not. I personally find the idea that a person can be seen a Jewish by some Jews and not by others to be extremely troubling as it results both in a confusion of Jewish Identity and brings up plenty of problems with regards to inter-marriage.


Getting back on topic…

There are many schools of Judaism I don't agree with: Chabad, Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist, Naturai Karta, Kach… that does not mean that they're "bad" (although the last two skirt pretty close), just that they aren't for me. If someone gets something out of those that I do not, bully for them.

I would much rather meet a Jew of a different school than meet a Jew who has thrown off Torah completely.

I do largely agree but as I'm sure you can see from above, not entirely. Though yes, that last line is hard to argue with at all.

[Typo Lad]

Morts,

Of the three Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Islam, Judaism), Judaism is easily the smallest in number of adherents.

Any theories on why that might be? Could it be that it's less overtly evangelical than the other two or is it likely some other reason?

I think it's a combination of that and the tendancy for assimilation.

[Typo Lad]

Actually, I'm not really referring to "fakers" here (though we certainly have some of those too) but I'll get to that in a moment.

When Rav Zev Leff was a young boy, he was having trouble with Judasim, mainly because of fakers. When a big Rabbi came to speak at his school, he asked:

"Rebbe, what do we, as Orthodox Jews, do about Orthodox Jews who cheat and steal?"

The Rabbi looked at him and responded "Let me ask you a quesion, what do we, as Orthodox Jews, do about Orthodox Jews who eat porkchops with chocolate milk on Yom Kippur?"

"Those aren't Orthodox Jews!"

"Niether are the first sort. More people need to realize that."

Agreed. Which is why I'm challenging Reform Judaism, not Reform Jews.

Does it require challenging?

That's perfectly fair except that I'm not entirely sure that Conservative and reform have to be in place for this to happen. I say this because of my experience from the community I live in.

Ah. Annecdotal evidence.

As I said, Reform is a small fringe movement here and the reason that is is simply because it's not really needed.

Im Yertza HaShem it should not be needed anywhere else. However, for now it is.

As I say, it's not really seen as much of a paradox for a person to be "irreligious" and "Orthodox" at the same time.

See above comment.

Now this is where I really start having problems with "Progressive Jewry". While there are plenty of arguments between the various Jewish sects like Lubavitch, Charedi, Sphardi, Ashkenzi, none of these result in conflicts as to whether a person is Jewish or not.

Untrue. As my wife points out yesterday, some Sephardic communities do not recognize conversions of any kind. Further, some Jews no longer consider Lubavitch Jews to be truly Jewish and consider them idolitors.

I personally find the idea that a person can be seen a Jewish by some Jews and not by others to be extremely troubling as it results both in a confusion of Jewish Identity and brings up plenty of problems with regards to inter-marriage.

Oh it's insanly troubling. I have both a paternal and maternal intermarried uncle, and it's very hard to deal with.

[jessecuster3]

Ok Reform Jew here. Did I choose to be reform, no. My parents were, and their parents were. When I went to Hebrew school and religious school and had my bar mitzvah, it was at teh temple my parents chose for us. But, contrary to your experience, everyone I grew up with were Reform or Conservative, I knew noone who was Frum, unless Dad took me down to Maxwell Street in Chicago.

[Typo Lad]

Jesse,

Thanks. Everyone's view is gonna be different, because every community is different.

[jessecuster3]

Jesse,

Thanks. Everyone's view is gonna be different, because every community is different.


Well, at some points it sounded like he was saying we are not Jews because we are not Orthodox.
Might as well question if I am a man or not.

[Typo Lad]

I want to be dan l'kav z'chut (give the benifit of the doubt) that he did not mean that, and was instead remarking on the lack of a consistant standard.

[Mike Smash!]

I think it's a combination of that and the tendancy for assimilation.

Tendency for assimilation? What do you mean?

[Mike Smash!]

The Rabbi looked at him and responded "Let me ask you a quesion, what do we, as Orthodox Jews, do about Orthodox Jews who eat porkchops with chocolate milk on Yom Kippur?.

Wait, you're not allowed to drink chocolate milk? But isn't that a dairy/dairy mix and therefore cool?

[DarkBlade]

With porkchops, Mike.

[Mike Smash!]

With porkchops, Mike.

The porkchops part I got, but the chocolate milk thing seemed so specific that it sounded like it was off-limits too.

[Typo Lad]

The porkchops part I got, but the chocolate milk thing seemed so specific that it sounded like it was off-limits too.
Naw. it was the milk/meat thing.

Rin am smart.

As for assimilation, Jews have a higher marrying-out rate than most religions.

[Mike Smash!]

So, milk and meat isn't good in the same meal? I thought it couldn't touch.

*confused*

[Typo Lad]

No milk and meat at the same meal, yes.

[Mike Smash!]

No milk and meat at the same meal, yes.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as obsessing on Judaic dietary law, but what about tofu-based meat and milk? Or is it the thought that counts?

Or tofu based pork?

[Jeff Brady]

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as obsessing on Judaic dietary law, but what about tofu-based meat and milk? Or is it the thought that counts?

Or tofu based pork?

Tofu is fine. Morts' family uses a lot of veggie substitues to have cheese "burgers".

[Athena Bast]

TYPO!

Heard 2 really cool versions of some holiday songs for you by The Barenaked Ladies. They do the Dreidel song and "Oh Chanukah" I believe. It's on their Christmas album and we've been listening to it all day at work.

[Ilash]

Well, at some points it sounded like he was saying we are not Jews because we are not Orthodox.
Might as well question if I am a man or not.

Woah! Sorry, I really did not mean anything of the sort. Far from it. I really doapologize if you thought that that was what I was implying. As I say, my problems lie purely with the Reform ideology, not with those who practice it - and honestly, not even those who preach it.

[Ilash]

When Rav Zev Leff was a young boy, he was having trouble with Judasim, mainly because of fakers. When a big Rabbi came to speak at his school, he asked:

"Rebbe, what do we, as Orthodox Jews, do about Orthodox Jews who cheat and steal?"

The Rabbi looked at him and responded "Let me ask you a quesion, what do we, as Orthodox Jews, do about Orthodox Jews who eat porkchops with chocolate milk on Yom Kippur?"

"Those aren't Orthodox Jews!"

"Niether are the first sort. More people need to realize that."


Oh make no mistake, I agree with everything you say here. I'm just saying that there is perhaps a line to be drawn between people who acknowledge that "traditional" Judaism is correct but don't follow everything for personal reasons (after all how many Orthodox Jews, even the most "frum", can claim that they follow the Torah absolutely - I, personally, am very far from being able to make such a claim) and following a school of thought that challenges the very relevance and eternalness of the Torah.



Does it require challenging?


It can be argued (but yes, only argued) that yes, it does. Most of its philosophies from what I can tell, are based on standing up and refuting the relevance and truth of parts of the Torah. Surely, such ideologies need to be challenged and questioned?


Ah. Annecdotal evidence.



Im Yertza HaShem it should not be needed anywhere else. However, for now it is.


Fair enough because that does seem to be the case in America but I'm just saying from my own experience, there are perhaps less damaging alternatives. And hypothetically, could Jewish identity not be preserved through means other than the radical, well, reformation of Reform. I bring up my community not as definite proof but just as way of showing an example of such an alternative.




Untrue. As my wife points out yesterday, some Sephardic communities do not recognize conversions of any kind. Further, some Jews no longer consider Lubavitch Jews to be truly Jewish and consider them idolitors.


Really? I didn't realize that (the first part, I mean) so I stand corrected. And I thought that only a tiny minority of Lubavitch was treated as such.

[DarkBlade]

So, milk and meat isn't good in the same meal? I thought it couldn't touch.

*confused*
Right! But it'd be all touchin in your stomach and stuff, which is why various (groups? denominations? sects?) say you have to wait X hours between having meat and dairy.

[Stellar]

TYPO!

Heard 2 really cool versions of some holiday songs for you by The Barenaked Ladies. They do the Dreidel song and "Oh Chanukah" I believe. It's on their Christmas album and we've been listening to it all day at work.

'Sup, Athena. Long time no see.

[Athena Bast]

'Sup, Athena. Long time no see.

I'm around.. here and there... ya know.. same shite different throne.

[Typo Lad]

Tofu is fine. Morts' family uses a lot of veggie substitues to have cheese "burgers".

Kain (yes).

In fact, now I'm craving "Bacon" cheese "burgers".

[Grazzt]

Out of curiousity, do you ever use cheese substitutes instead of meat substitutes. Like maybe a "bacon" "cheese" burger?

[Typo Lad]

Out of curiousity, do you ever use cheese substitutes instead of meat substitutes. Like maybe a "bacon" "cheese" burger?
I have. I was underwhlemed.

[Typo Lad]

TYPO!

Heard 2 really cool versions of some holiday songs for you by The Barenaked Ladies. They do the Dreidel song and "Oh Chanukah" I believe. It's on their Christmas album and we've been listening to it all day at work.
Heard 'em Thena. Tot loves them.

[Mike Smash!]

Kain (yes).

In fact, now I'm craving "Bacon" cheese "burgers".

I'm curious, since I enjoy real meat and cheese...

which is better, "cheese" burgers or cheese "burgers"?

[Typo Lad]

I'm curious, since I enjoy real meat and cheese...

which is better, "cheese" burgers or cheese "burgers"?

The cheese tends to taste like solid margerine. The meat can be very good, depending on the brand. Morningstar Farms products taste like real beef and chicken (and I'm assured the pork is legit as well). There are a couple of other okay brands, mostly Israeli imports.

[Typo Lad]

Oh make no mistake, I agree with everything you say here. I'm just saying that there is perhaps a line to be drawn between people who acknowledge that "traditional" Judaism is correct but don't follow everything for personal reasons (after all how many Orthodox Jews, even the most "frum", can claim that they follow the Torah absolutely - I, personally, am very far from being able to make such a claim) and following a school of thought that challenges the very relevance and eternalness of the Torah.

I find the latter sort of person top be far, far more intellectually honest than the first.

It can be argued (but yes, only argued) that yes, it does. Most of its philosophies from what I can tell, are based on standing up and refuting the relevance and truth of parts of the Torah. Surely, such ideologies need to be challenged and questioned?

I see no reason why. Just because It's not right for you and I doesn't mean we need to "challenge" it.

Fair enough because that does seem to be the case in America but I'm just saying from my own experience, there are perhaps less damaging alternatives. And hypothetically, could Jewish identity not be preserved through means other than the radical, well, reformation of Reform. I bring up my community not as definite proof but just as way of showing an example of such an alternative.

It can and it is. There are many movements. However, those that are attracted to the conservative or reformed movements are no less serious about their yidishkite than the those who go to Aish Hatorah.

It's the message, not the medium.


Really? I didn't realize that (the first part, I mean) so I stand corrected. And I thought that only a tiny minority of Lubavitch was treated as such.

They're the part witht he bank accounts and that sets policy though, so it causes problems.

[Typo Lad]

Right! But it'd be all touchin in your stomach and stuff, which is why various (groups? denominations? sects?) say you have to wait X hours between having meat and dairy.

We'll make Jewsess of you yet, Rindalicious!

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

How come Douglas Rashkoff sticks to Jewish traditions, yet on Jewcy.com is arguing there is no god?

And how come he's oppenent doesn't write god like you do (g-d)?

[Typo Lad]

Not familiar with the site or the dude.

[Davideaux]

Is OK to have emergency surgery on the Sabbath?

[Typo Lad]

I'm going to over-simplify and say yes, and it's also okay to perform it.

[Ilash]

I find the latter sort of person top be far, far more intellectually honest than the first.



I see no reason why. Just because It's not right for you and I doesn't mean we need to "challenge" it.



It can and it is. There are many movements. However, those that are attracted to the conservative or reformed movements are no less serious about their yidishkite than the those who go to Aish Hatorah.

It's the message, not the medium.




They're the part witht he bank accounts and that sets policy though, so it causes problems.

Hmmm... some valid points. I'll have to think about it. I have to admit though that the attitude to Reform that I have come into contact with is significantly less forgiving than yours - indeed, it's all too often significantly harsher than mine. Some people go as far as to say that Reform leaders are pretty much apikorsim, which I don't agree with at all.

[Typo Lad]

Well, one has to keep in mind that in order to be an Apikores you have to basically know Torah cold....

[Paul McEnery]

Not familiar with the site or the dude.

Sure you are, Morts.

Douglas Rushkoff, the liberal (indeed radical) rabbi, author of Nothing Sacred, Testament, and a monthly column in The Arthur.

[Typo Lad]

Doesn't ring a bell, Paul. Haven't crossed paths with the man.

[Paul McEnery]

Doesn't ring a bell, Paul. Haven't crossed paths with the man.

I brought him up -- because I have crossed paths with the man, particularly at the Disinfo.con -- because he's running a basically Morrisonesque approach to Judaism that makes sense to me from my perspective, but I can't tell how he comes across within Judaism.

In the Jewcy.com articles, he's debating with Rabbi Andy Bachman on the subject of Is God Still Necessary? (http://www.jewcy.com/dialogue/is_god_still_necessary)

Here's one of Douglas's lines that speaks to me:

I believe that Judaism and Jews will be healthier when we get over our more primitive attachment to God the Creator. As I see it, the character {of God in the Bible} actually gets in the way of our sense of connection to something greater than ourselves. “I and Thou” doesn’t even broach the subject of “us.” From where I stand, the self is an illusion, worthy of annihilation. Developing a “personal” relationship with a character deity may be comforting, but only concretizes the illusion of a personal existence.

[Valmore]

Dear Jew,

Did you have a nice Chanukah? Is that an accepted spelling and even the same as Hanukkah?

I hope you did.

Sincerely,

Me.

[Ilash]

Well, one has to keep in mind that in order to be an Apikores you have to basically know Torah cold....

Absolutely, which is why I've always had trouble understanding how they could even think of saying such a thing.

[Ilash]

Sure you are, Morts.

Douglas Rushkoff, the liberal (indeed radical) rabbi, author of Nothing Sacred, Testament, and a monthly column in The Arthur.

Wait, Testament, the Vertigo series? That's written by a so-called rabbi? Huh, who knew? Not that I'm actually reading it mind you, I figured that the subject matter would land up annoying me.

EDIT: Just read through that article and well, that's a rather strange look at things. It also seems to be, for all intents and purposes, not based at all in Jewish thought but is just a single man's own view on life. Of course, people are well within their rights to think precisely whatever they want - and I have heard worse theories than this - but for a man to say this as a rabbi and to think that his opinion has any basis or application to Judaism strikes me as a bit, well, ridiculous.

Incidentally, Typo, here's another, perhaps less controversial question for you: How do you personally feel about art that deals with religious themes - specifically religious themes that are against your beliefs. Will you watch/ listen to/ read such a thing or do you prefer to just avoid it outright? Testament is a good example. What about something like George Harrison's song My Sweet Lord or Kevin Smith's film Dogma?

[Typo Lad]

Dear Jew,

Did you have a nice Chanukah? Is that an accepted spelling and even the same as Hanukkah?

I hope you did.

Sincerely,

Me.

I did, in fact! Thank you/

The proper spelling of Chanukah is in Hebrew. Everything else is guesswork.

Did your better-half's family celebrate?

[Tages]

Dear Jew,

Any plans for "The Gentiles Are All At Home, The City is Ours!" Day tomorrow?

[Typo Lad]

Doing an in-school birthday party for the Tot and helping a friend move.

[Mike Smash!]

Dear Morts,

Please facilitate my laziness. What is the difference between Orthodox and Reform Judaism and where do you fit in theologically and ideologically? Why and what's your take on the other?

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Douglas Rushkoff, the liberal (indeed radical) rabbi, author of Nothing Sacred, Testament, and a monthly column in The Arthur.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/21/fondue_arthur2_wideweb__430x315.jpg


Is falling in love really the best that you can do

[Cam63]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/21/fondue_arthur2_wideweb__430x315.jpg


Is falling in love really the best that you can do

What's more, that's not a jacuzzi.

[Alex Scott]

I'm going to over-simplify and say yes, and it's also okay to perform it.
That reminds me of this question I meant to ask a while back, but I never got around to it. I've noticed in reading Leviticus that there's a particular emphasis on purity and sanitation, which suggests that health would be very important in Judaism, both in ancient and modern times. That led me to wonder if there are any Jewish traditions that affect or regulate medical or dental appointments, whether on the doctor's side or the patient's.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Wait, Testament, the Vertigo series? That's written by a so-called rabbi? Huh, who knew? Not that I'm actually reading it mind you, I figured that the subject matter would land up annoying me.


It's actually quite good, and the reworkings/retellings of the biblical stories aren't as bad as you probably imagine.
I got the first trade and felt it only really clicked with issue 5, but it was enough to make me want to stick with it.

It has the intresting technique in that the gods (when they appear) sit around the panels, and if they try to reach in and interact with the characters, their arms will take a different form in the panel.
I'm not making it sound as intresting as it is, but flick through an issue and you'll see what I mean.

[Jeff Brady]

Doing an in-school birthday party for the Tot and helping a friend move.

I like how the first thing J did (after I wished her a Happy Chewbacca...yes, going to a hell I don't believe in) was lay a guilt trip on me for not being able to help them. She's really good at that. It wasn't even intentional, "I understand you have plans and can't make it, but thanks for considering it."

Oh, I've PMed Rubin, but tell him I owe him lunch for the ride home. We got a little lost on the way, and it was my fault.

[Typo Lad]

Dear Morts,

Please facilitate my laziness. What is the difference between Orthodox and Reform Judaism and where do you fit in theologically and ideologically? Why and what's your take on the other?

This is harder to answer than I thought!

Reformed Judaism basically started as a different way to view the Torah (through literary analysis, for one thing), and a "simplification" of Torah. They declared all the chockim (Laws man cannot understand) to be null and void (including circumcision, which was a big deal).

Early Reform Judaism also changed the definition of "who is a Jew", dumping the racial definition and redefining it s