JSA #11 *****Spoilers*****

[Mr.50]

*****Spoilers******* (maybe)


Hey who hear read JSA #11?? I couldn't wait to get it home and read it.

Did anyone else get the feeling the KC Superman may not have been lying about who he was and where he was from but maybe he was lying about what happened to his world and that it was destroyed? After they finished testing him to determine if he was telling the trust about who he was and where he was from, he said that he could not return to his world because it was destroyed. Does it seem like he just believed it was destroyed becuase the explosion was so powerful or that he know his world is still there but he would just rather stay on New Earth????


Mr.50

[EZMOHR]

What I found shakey was his look towards Power Girl. I know different worlds, but still cousins.

I think this Superman is gonna be Magog. I at least think it is not KC Superman.

[Ramiel]

What I found shakey was his look towards Power Girl. I know different worlds, but still cousins.

I think this Superman is gonna be Magog. I at least think it is not KC Superman.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may very well be, not being sarcastic or anything) but didn't Ross or someone confirm this was the KC Superman, no strings attached?

[EZMOHR]

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may very well be, not being sarcastic or anything) but didn't Ross or someone confirm this was the KC Superman, no strings attached?

I don't know, I just know that he isn't KC Superman. Just a hunch.

[Mr.50]

This issue seemed to confirm that this was Superman and all he said was true. BUT after the lasso came off and New Earth Supes was convinced then KC Supes started veering off the history of Earth-22 as we know it. Now of course earth-22's history could have changed since IC but at least in KC Earth-22 was not destroyed. So either KC Supes was mistaken or he was lying.

Mr.50

[Dr.Geekibus]

This issue seemed like sort of non-event to me. We're introduced to the new Judomaster, who seems like sort of Cassie Cain ripoff (super fighter, doesn't speak). And then we're introduced to a whole bunch of Japanese superbaddies who've never been seen before.

And in the middle of it all is the ho-hum mystery of kc superman. I don't agree that he's Magog, but I just am not caring enough to figure out precisely who he is.

I am a big fan of the JSA and I plan to stick with it for a while, but so far I haven't found the storylines all that engaging or interesting. And while I loved Kingdom Come I just don't care to see KC supes on Earth 1, or earth prime or whatever the heck it's being called these days.

My two cents. ;-)

[ultramandingo]

......so judo masters weakness is being coverd in fat guy guts .mine too

[Rio_de_Janeiro]

earth 22 is not KC earth, but a reality which is extremely similar to KC earth, give and take some things...

can someone more informed confirm or deny this?

cheers

rio

[Fatguy]

......so judo masters weakness is being coverd in fat guy guts .mine too

My guts are powerful.

[Mr.50]

earth 22 is not KC earth, but a reality which is extremely similar to KC earth, give and take some things...

can someone more informed confirm or deny this?

cheers

rio

I don't have a post for you Rio but I am sure that is correct. It has been stated (somewhere but the link escapes me) that Earth-22 is the KC-Earth in almost all ways but their could be the possibility that there are some differences.

With that in mind I still have the feeling that E22-Supes (formerly KC-Supes) is still lying because he would rather stay on new earth then goe back to his. I really hope thats not true because I hate the idea of other Supermen lying besides that idiot Prime.

Mr.50

[MaxofSteel]

I lol'd at Star Man breaking the fourth wall. Has he done this before? Or is this the first time?

And as far as KC Supes being legit is concerned, I have no doubt he is. So far, there's been no substantial evidence which hints at KC Supes not being who he claims he is. So until more proofs arises, this is KC Supes.

[Mr.50]

I lol'd at Star Man breaking the fourth wall. Has he done this before? Or is this the first time?

And as far as KC Supes being legit is concerned, I have no doubt he is. So far, there's been no substantial evidence which hints at KC Supes not being who he claims he is. So until more proofs arises, this is KC Supes.

OK but do you get the impression he was lying about Earth-22 being destroyed?

Mr.50

[Dr.Geekibus]

OK but do you get the impression he was lying about Earth-22 being destroyed?

Mr.50

I get the impression there's more going on than he's saying but I don't think even the kc supes could lie under the Lasso of Truth. I do believe he's hiding something substantial that makes him not want to go back. Perhaps somehow he was responsible for the destruction of the planet. Tried to do something to make things better and it went horribly awry? ;-)

[MaxofSteel]

OK but do you get the impression he was lying about Earth-22 being destroyed?

Mr.50

If he really is Superman, he wouldn't lie. Especially about something like that. And if I'm wrong... I'll be really sad. :(

However:

I get the impression there's more going on than he's saying

I'm seconding this. We'll see if there's anything else KC Supes might be holding back I suppose.

[Infra-Man]

This issue seemed like sort of non-event to me. We're introduced to the new Judomaster, who seems like sort of Cassie Cain ripoff (super fighter, doesn't speak). And then we're introduced to a whole bunch of Japanese superbaddies who've never been seen before.

And in the middle of it all is the ho-hum mystery of kc superman. I don't agree that he's Magog, but I just am not caring enough to figure out precisely who he is.

I am a big fan of the JSA and I plan to stick with it for a while, but so far I haven't found the storylines all that engaging or interesting. And while I loved Kingdom Come I just don't care to see KC supes on Earth 1, or earth prime or whatever the heck it's being called these days.

My two cents. ;-)

I actually agree about this new JSA series not being quite as engaging as I'd have hoped. I remember the first arc or two of the previous JSA series being totally awesome and was hooked. Heck, the first 50 issues of that series totally ruled. This time around, not so much.

Something seems to be missing in these stories, and it might be that the JSA has yet to work as a complete team in order to deal with major global threat. It just doesn't seem like anything is at stake in the title, which is kind of like my problem with the inaugural McDuffie arc on JLA.

[Angelo2113]

I think the black hole that Starman created that Kingdom Come Superman came out of was maybe before Captain Marvel destroyed the bomb, because it would explain why he thinks his Earth is destroyed and it would explain how he survived the bomb.

Maybe after Final Crisis he'll be brought back right after the bomb detonated. Would explain his rage at the end of Kingdom Come towards the United Nations.

Just a possible theory.

[Christopher Cross Is God]

I've been enjoying this run of JSA quite a lot, and look forward to reading more.

[Karl O'Neill]

I've been enjoying this run of JSA quite a lot, and look forward to reading more.

me too,

The villains are getting cooler,

[Sean Walsh]

It does kinda seem that they're preparing some switch-a-roo regarding KC Superman, because it looks like they're being TOO respectful to his character.

That said, I really hope it's him so that this reverence he's getting is legit.

Plus if Alex Ross says it's him and there's no sham at hand, then I'd like to think Geoff Johns is sticking to that. In fact, I'm confident Geoff will.

[Buried Alien]

Some thoughts on this issue:

1. Jay and Wally clearly know of the previous existence of old Earth-Two, even though they still don't remember having experienced it themselves. They are cognizant that there was once an Earth-Two universe in the old Multiverse, where Kal-L (and also, Jay and the rest of the original JSA) once came from. When they visited the Earth-Two vibrational frequency at the beginning of this issue, however, they found much the same thing they found in COIE # 11: a void. The 52 Multiverse, therefore, might have its own Earth-2 universe, but it doesn't occupy the same vibrational frequency of the old, Pre-COIE Earth-Two universe, which is still non-existent.

Even so, Wally and Jay briefly glimpsed the old Earth-Two Robin and Huntress before they encountered the void, so just what's going on here?

2. It was kind of creepy and sad how Power Girl used her X-Ray vision to view Kal-L and Earth-Two Lois Lane's rotting corpses in their graves in New Earth Metropolis. It's been at least a year since Kal-L and Lois-Two died, however, and I'm surprised their corpses are still (relatively) whole. That said, Kal-L, being Kryptonian...would his corpse even rot? His body remains superpowered even after death, doesn't it? That means the invulnerability should still be there (he'd lost it after going through Krypton's red sun during the final battle against Superboy Prime, but I'm assuming that once removed from the red sun, Kal-L's body would begin regaining its naturally invulnerable attributes).

3. The above scene, while touching in some ways, is disturbing at the same time. Should this be the pitiable fate of the Golden Age Superman?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Stressfactor]

A few thoughts of my own...

1) I like the slight redesign of the Mr. America costume -- they keep it basically intact but adding the hessian boots gets rid of the pantaloon look of the previous cotume which was just a touch too old fashioned.

2) I don't think what is going on with the Kingdom Come Superman is *quite* as convoluted as people are seeing it. We've been told, repeatedly, that the KC Supes blames what happened to his world on "heroes" who acted more like villains.

3) The JSA keeps reiterating that they want to train the next generation to be better heroes and yet here we see the new Judomaster apparently refusing to play ball with the JSA. We also have the new Mr. America who seems to have a violent streak -- judging my his claims of repeatedly throwing a criminal down a flight of stairs to the point where said criminal is now crippled for life.

4) Johns has said in interviews that the next story arc will introduce some new legacy heroes whose methods and mission outlook will clash with the JSA's.

5) I think, in the end, we're going to see some heroes take some harsh measures and KC Supes decide that the JSA isn't doing a good enough job and then take matters into his own hands. This will lead to the JSA having to fight KC Supes over the issue of free will. The JSA can offer to guide heroes but they are not going to force them. They will ENFORCE the LAW if the other heroes go to the bad but they will not make a preemptive strike.

6) The bit with Damage, Liberty Belle and Hourman in this issue was, perhaps, a bit too twee.

So those are my thoughts, take them as you will

[Laughing Mask]

the new mr. america has 2 whips!


and will the new judo master join?

[Shellhead]

I hate to say it, but this new JSA series seems to be veering off in the wrong direction after the very good opening arc. The last thing in the world that this overly large team needs is a recruiting drive next issue. The whole Judomaster incident not only seemed pointless, but basically consisted of a few dramatic poses and a gigantic chunk of clunky exposition. And although I've been enjoying the Dale Eaglesham artwork so far, it looked really off this issue. New inker(s)?

The scene with the JLA was decent, aside from more lame crazy talk from Starman. The Flashes on the Cosmic Treadmill was a neat interlude, and the graveyard visit was interesting and spooky. But mostly this issue felt really scattered, with too many characters getting too little attention.

[CYOTI]

3) The JSA keeps reiterating that they want to train the next generation to be better heroes and yet here we see the new Judomaster apparently refusing to play ball with the JSA. We also have the new Mr. America who seems to have a violent streak -- judging my his claims of repeatedly throwing a criminal down a flight of stairs to the point where said criminal is now crippled for life.

Something that he clearly inherited from his predecessor given how in the very first JSA issue, his internal monologue was about beating up a murderer and knocking out all his teeth to force him to confess.

[Babylon23]

The last thing in the world that this overly large team needs is a recruiting drive next issue.

According to Johns, not all of the new characters will actually be joining the JSA, so the numbers may not get all that larger.

Having said that, Johns also stated at the beginning of the series that the new JSA would be an actual society with a fairly large cast. Maybe he's aiming for something more like the Legion in sctructure and members.

As for this issue, I really liked it.

[BoosterBronze]

Seppuku? Kamikaze? Samurai?

Seriously, do people just think of all the Japanese words they know and then build characters around them? I'm surprised their wasn't a Sushi or Karaoke on the team.

As much as I could live without another Judomaster (horrible name) that team of one-note villains might just be the low point of the new JSA for me.

... althought I admit I shouldn't be surprised since Captain Nazi showed up with a team of Blitzkrieg and Reichsmark.

[Shellhead]

According to Johns, not all of the new characters will actually be joining the JSA, so the numbers may not get all that larger.

Having said that, Johns also stated at the beginning of the series that the new JSA would be an actual society with a fairly large cast. Maybe he's aiming for something more like the Legion in sctructure and members.

As for this issue, I really liked it.

At the rate things are going, eventually each issue of JSA will read like one of those mega-crossover events. Fifty characters will be shown standing around at the JSA brownstone. Then Power Girl or whoever the chairman is will stand up and deliver some exposition. The big group will split up into several smaller groups, and it will be different groupings every story, just so we can get tiny glimpses of interaction between varying combinations of teammates. One character will be the star of each issue, meaning they get a couple of pages of focus instead of one-liners in the crowd scenes. That will be the formula for JSA stories for an even larger team.

I've been a fan of the JSA since I first laid eyes on them in JLA #100 (original series). Geoff Johns did a great job on the previous JSA series, at least for the first 40 issues or so. Even after that, he still delivered the occasional great story arc, mixed in with less interesting shorter stories. But this big team is slipping out of his control. Maxine Hunkle and a couple of other new characters really impressed me in issue #1, but with the exception of Wildcat Junior, they have gotten very little attention since then.

[CYOTI]

Seppuku? Kamikaze? Samurai?

Seriously, do people just think of all the Japanese words they know and then build characters around them? I'm surprised their wasn't a Sushi or Karaoke on the team.
How is this any different from Marvel where apparently Japan is overrun by ninjas and samurai and is really nothing, but a feudal society brought into the modern day.

[BoosterBronze]

How is this any different from Marvel where apparently Japan is overrun by ninjas and samurai and is really nothing, but a feudal society brought into the modern day.

Yeah, that bugs too, but these names and designs are just so monumentally boring (and perhaps 'dumb') that they annoy me more than Marvel's endless ninjas.

[Ramiel]

How is this any different from Marvel where apparently Japan is overrun by ninjas and samurai and is really nothing, but a feudal society brought into the modern day.

When did he say it was any different from Marvel:confused:

[Infra-Man]

I've been a fan of the JSA since I first laid eyes on them in JLA #100 (original series). Geoff Johns did a great job on the previous JSA series, at least for the first 40 issues or so. Even after that, he still delivered the occasional great story arc, mixed in with less interesting shorter stories. But this big team is slipping out of his control. Maxine Hunkle and a couple of other new characters really impressed me in issue #1, but with the exception of Wildcat Junior, they have gotten very little attention since then.

I really think that the problem is the fact that there was no strong second arc after the opening arc of this new JSA series. Instead it got derailed for two issues because of The Lightning Saga and has been pretty much a bunch of one-and-done stories since. Nothing wrong with that in general, but I feel like this book is not at the level it should be; it's a book that still needs to establish its identity.

imo, this series needs to do a solid four-issue or five-issue arc that A) does not crossover with another book, B) does not tie into Countdown, Final Crisis, or any other story tangential to the JSA, C) develops the large roster that the team currently consists of, and D) does not introduce new potential members. Get a one and done or two-issue arc after the four/five-issue arc and then do another four-issue arc. And, ideally, it'd be nice to see a point of culmination for these aggregate arcs, as if all of the stories (one-and-dones or longer) build up to a much bigger picture.

But with Final Crisis coming up, there'll probably be tie-ins that derail this series again, so the idea of having longer arcs as mentioned above is probably just wishful thinking.

[DoctorDoom]

Some thoughts on this issue:

1. Jay and Wally clearly know of the previous existence of old Earth-Two, even though they still don't remember having experienced it themselves. They are cognizant that there was once an Earth-Two universe in the old Multiverse, where Kal-L (and also, Jay and the rest of the original JSA) once came from. When they visited the Earth-Two vibrational frequency at the beginning of this issue, however, they found much the same thing they found in COIE # 11: a void. The 52 Multiverse, therefore, might have its own Earth-2 universe, but it doesn't occupy the same vibrational frequency of the old, Pre-COIE Earth-Two universe, which is still non-existent.

Even so, Wally and Jay briefly glimpsed the old Earth-Two Robin and Huntress before they encountered the void, so just what's going on here?

2. It was kind of creepy and sad how Power Girl used her X-Ray vision to view Kal-L and Earth-Two Lois Lane's rotting corpses in their graves in New Earth Metropolis. It's been at least a year since Kal-L and Lois-Two died, however, and I'm surprised their corpses are still (relatively) whole. That said, Kal-L, being Kryptonian...would his corpse even rot? His body remains superpowered even after death, doesn't it? That means the invulnerability should still be there (he'd lost it after going through Krypton's red sun during the final battle against Superboy Prime, but I'm assuming that once removed from the red sun, Kal-L's body would begin regaining its naturally invulnerable attributes).

3. The above scene, while touching in some ways, is disturbing at the same time. Should this be the pitiable fate of the Golden Age Superman?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Thanls you for point 2. I was thinking the same thing.

[BoosterBronze]

3. The above scene, while touching in some ways, is disturbing at the same time. Should this be the pitiable fate of the Golden Age Superman?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

What's so pitable of dying saving the multiverse, and being buried next to the woman you love, who had herself peacefully accepted death a short time earlier?

[Zacharius]

1.Why did they arrest Judomaster? Vigilante battles happen all the time and they rarely get arrested.

2. Why it bothers Superman so much that Magog killed Joker ?

Can´t he see that code vs killing is a bad idea.

[Iroquois]

It's also what's been defining Superman for the last forty years, at least. And in KC, it was presented pretty damn well why.

The whole Judomaster thing was basically set (as I see it, anyway) to contrast the vigilante battles in Earth-22.

[SemiNerd]

Seppuku? Kamikaze? Samurai?

Seriously, do people just think of all the Japanese words they know and then build characters around them? I'm surprised their wasn't a Sushi or Karaoke on the team.

As much as I could live without another Judomaster (horrible name) that team of one-note villains might just be the low point of the new JSA for me.

... althought I admit I shouldn't be surprised since Captain Nazi showed up with a team of Blitzkrieg and Reichsmark.

LOL, this is even funnier to me since I live in Germany

And I love reading Buried Allen's posts, he is a true comic head and has to have been regularly reading comics for at least 15 years

[AllisterH]

You know, if I was KC Superman, shouldn't I be EXTREMELY concerned that
the Marvel family is out of sorts.

a) Mary Marvel has ghone BAD.
b) Black Adam just wiped out a country and seems intent on wiping out another?
c) There's a good chance that the new Captain Marvel will not be Freddy Freeman but a woman who has no intention of being a hero.

Its not like it wasn't Captain Marvel himself who caused the jailbreak and prevented him (KC Supes) from stopping it becoming a full scale riot which caused the bomb to be dropped.

Screw the others, focus on the Marvels first.

[crimson red]

Some thoughts on this issue:

That said, Kal-L, being Kryptonian...would his corpse even rot? His body remains superpowered even after death, doesn't it? That means the invulnerability should still be there (he'd lost it after going through Krypton's red sun during the final battle against Superboy Prime, but I'm assuming that once removed from the red sun, Kal-L's body would begin regaining its naturally invulnerable attributes).



Why would you assume that a heap of DEAD cells would retain the properties that it showed when it was alive. Just like DEAD green plant cells do not photosynthesis (zombie plants?) any dell cell is a dead cell. It has no life.

[MutoMikey]

Hey guys, didn't the KC Earth get destroyed in some form or another in Waid's sequel, THE KINGDOM? I haven't read THE KINGDOM since it first came out so I may be wrong. So, yeah, maybe this is the Supes from THE KINGDOM and not Kingdom Come. Or even from an alternate KC where Marvel DIDN'T stop the bomb.

I also like the theory about him being ripped right from before Marvel destroys the bomb.

I'm really concerned about what happened with the Flashes. Why was there a void where Earth-2's supposed to be? Prime hasn't destroyed it too has he?

Oh, and I see a Starman/Deadpool crossover in the future.:D

[Iroquois]

SPOILERS:


KC Superman survived the bomb, re-established his friendship with Bruce and he's expecting a child with Diana.



/SPOILERS

There wasn't a void where Earth-2 was supposed to be. I think you read it the other way around. It was a void at first, then the Flashes got the glimpse of Earth-2 and made sure that the Multiverse still exists (and so KC Superman probably wasn't lying about where he came from).

[Ramiel]

Hey guys, didn't the KC Earth get destroyed in some form or another in Waid's sequel, THE KINGDOM? I haven't read THE KINGDOM since it first came out so I may be wrong. So, yeah, maybe this is the Supes from THE KINGDOM and not Kingdom Come. Or even from an alternate KC where Marvel DIDN'T stop the bomb.

Nope, he lived through The Kingdom, but most people like to pretend that never existed anyway

[ScarletStorm]

Seppuku? Kamikaze? Samurai?

Seriously, do people just think of all the Japanese words they know and then build characters around them? I'm surprised their wasn't a Sushi or Karaoke on the team.

As much as I could live without another Judomaster (horrible name) that team of one-note villains might just be the low point of the new JSA for me.

... althought I admit I shouldn't be surprised since Captain Nazi showed up with a team of Blitzkrieg and Reichsmark.

this so made me laugh out loud! ohmigod thanks so much....thing is, i totally agree with you...reading the names of Kamikaze, Samarai, etc. took me out of the story. and i'm having a hard time reading about Judomaster when i really want more time with Stargirl, Midnite, Green Lantern, etc...and her costume is a bit much. the exploding breast sun motif is not cute.

[Spiffy]

I lol'd at Star Man breaking the fourth wall. Has he done this before? Or is this the first time?
"52!"

Yes. He has.

[the4thpip]

Some thoughts on this issue:



2. It was kind of creepy and sad how Power Girl used her X-Ray vision to view Kal-L and Earth-Two Lois Lane's rotting corpses in their graves in New Earth Metropolis. It's been at least a year since Kal-L and Lois-Two died, however, and I'm surprised their corpses are still (relatively) whole. That said, Kal-L, being Kryptonian...would his corpse even rot? His body remains superpowered even after death, doesn't it? That means the invulnerability should still be there (he'd lost it after going through Krypton's red sun during the final battle against Superboy Prime, but I'm assuming that once removed from the red sun, Kal-L's body would begin regaining its naturally invulnerable attributes).

I would assume that the "solar battery" effect of Kryptonian cells is something that stops when they die, like photosynthesis stops when a plant dies or all those processes in human cells.

[Mr.50]

/SPOILERS

There wasn't a void where Earth-2 was supposed to be. I think you read it the other way around. It was a void at first, then the Flashes got the glimpse of Earth-2 and made sure that the Multiverse still exists (and so KC Superman probably wasn't lying about where he came from).[/QUOTE]








That is not accurate. If you re-read the issue Jay and Wally are on the treadmill, see a flash of Robin and Huntress from old Earth-2 (or maybe they are the same on the new Earth-2) then everything turns into the void and it is all blackness. So it is unclear what happend exactly except that there is a void....


Mr.50

[DeadXMan]

I would assume that the "solar battery" effect of Kryptonian cells is something that stops when they die, like photosynthesis stops when a plant dies or all those processes in human cells.

yes but there is still cell activity after the body dies

BTW

wasn't Conner buried next to them as well?

[Rattlehead]

There's no substance to this arc so far. In issue 9, KC Supes shows up. In 10, the JSA sits around and talks, and now they call in the JLA to confirm his identity and fight some static villians. While KC Supes walks around and muses about the contrasts between his world and New Earth, has a weird creepy uncle moment with Power Girl, and Starman gets more annoying by the issue. Nothing has really happened so far, and I've breezed through the past 2 issues in about 15 minutes each. I love the team, and Dale Eaglesham is fantastic, but this book is sorely lacking in characterization so far. You have a nice dynamic between Star Girl and Cyclone, Ted Grant and Son have been good, and of course we know that Hour Man and Liberty Belle are married. That's it. Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, and Dr. Mid-Nite have been sorely marginalized, Citizen Steel just kind of hangs around in between baby-sitting, and Power Girl shows up from time to time to bark out some orders. I'm not feeling a connection to a lot of the characters, which is imperative to an ensemble book.

[BoosterBronze]

There's no substance to this arc so far. In issue 9, KC Supes shows up. In 10, the JSA sits around and talks, and now they call in the JLA to confirm his identity and fight some static villians. While KC Supes walks around and muses about the contrasts between his world and New Earth, has a weird creepy uncle moment with Power Girl, and Starman gets more annoying by the issue. Nothing has really happened so far, and I've breezed through the past 2 issues in about 15 minutes each. I love the team, and Dale Eaglesham is fantastic, but this book is sorely lacking in characterization so far. You have a nice dynamic between Star Girl and Cyclone, Ted Grant and Son have been good, and of course we know that Hour Man and Liberty Belle are married. That's it. Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, and Dr. Mid-Nite have been sorely marginalized, Citizen Steel just kind of hangs around in between baby-sitting, and Power Girl shows up from time to time to bark out some orders. I'm not feeling a connection to a lot of the characters, which is imperative to an ensemble book.

I think you sum it up nicely. And I think the problem will only get worse with any more new characters. Soon it will be titled "Justice City of America" and it will mainly deal with the logistics of feeding that many heroes.

[HotRod_Tim]

It seems like we just got to know to main JSA roster and now Johns just keeps piling on more characters to the team. When is that gonna end and great characterization moments begin?

I like KC Supes being on the team cuz it really does add something (if you ask me), but I don't think he's gotta lie about his Earth being destroyed to stay there.

[Shellhead]

I think you sum it up nicely. And I think the problem will only get worse with any more new characters. Soon it will be titled "Justice City of America" and it will mainly deal with the logistics of feeding that many heroes.

And the next time they team up with the JLA, there won't be any room for villains to fit in the panels, so the whole crossover will consist of idle banter in small discussion groups. Kind of like that Lightning Saga fiasco, only worse.