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Gotham

12-01-2007, 11:30 AM

I've heard a lot of people put the Hush GN's down. Are these not worth buying?

Secondly, this is one of my most favorite sites to just troll around and read. Hardly do I ever contribute because I don't read the Batman monthlies. The reasons for that are in another thread. Keep up the great work! All of you!

Choppa

12-01-2007, 12:23 PM

If you're new to Batman you will probably love it. Otherwise there are better choices.

Gotham

12-01-2007, 04:08 PM

Nope, not new to Batman. Just RETURNING back to Batman for the first time in awhile. It's too late anyway! Haha. I went and bought Hush 1 and 2 and Batman and the Outsiders 1.

Jim Lee. Drooooooooooool.

Choppa

12-01-2007, 04:27 PM

What's the last thing you read?

king911

12-01-2007, 04:44 PM

its a good story, read it ~~!!

bennyblanko

12-01-2007, 05:03 PM

spoiler (kind of)

-> am i the only one who can't stand krypto??? he totally ruined hush for me. i mean a super-powered dog???? brutal. maybe in a goofy superman story but in a batman story??? terrible just terrible. its like mixing the worst aspect of 60's era comics right in the middle of a gritty modern batman story. I HATE KRYPTO!! ARRAAAAAGGAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! <punching wall continuously>

time to settle down. i'm sorry you all had to witness that.

i'm ok now... time to bandage my fists.

rwe1138

12-01-2007, 05:23 PM

It wasn't perfect, but it was enjoyable.

Johnny_Luck

12-01-2007, 06:08 PM

The art is what made me choose this over the Long Halloween, the art in this is super amazing, the art in TLH not so much.

mattx110

12-01-2007, 06:40 PM

It's a batman story with lots of the supporting cast and villians showing up. No reason not to enjoy it.

Gotham

12-01-2007, 07:17 PM

What's the last thing you read?

Legends somewhere around 1999. It's been such a long time. I'm overwhelmed. :(

Choppa

12-01-2007, 08:32 PM

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

12-01-2007, 08:47 PM

I still to this day maintain it took Ed Brubaker's "Dead Reckoning" half the time to tell a mystery/thriller starring Batman & his rogues than "Hush," and that it also did so more effectively in that time.

It's essentially "Hush" with meatier installments and less fanfic.

The art could've been better, though (Patrick Zircher rather than Tommy Castillo, maybe?).

matthewaos

12-02-2007, 05:33 AM

Choppa

12-02-2007, 09:12 AM

CassandraL

12-02-2007, 03:05 PM

Well I personally really loved HUSH, to me the writing, and the art were both dazzling.

Captain Jim

12-02-2007, 03:55 PM

The art is what made me choose this over the Long Halloween, the art in this is super amazing, the art in TLH not so much.

That's a matter of opinion.

Captain Jim

12-02-2007, 04:00 PM

Hush has excellent art and an okay story. Personally, I still think The Long Halloween is better, though.

There's certainly no reason to avoid the two Hush trades (Loeb & Lee). But avoid Hush Returns (Lieberman, et. al.) at all costs.

4thHorseman

12-02-2007, 04:18 PM

The art was great especially if you like Lee's stuff. Loeb has a tendency to throw in as many characters as possible, and that kind of holds back the story somewhat. Behind this wall of characters (some that served next to no purpose ultimately), we get a bland villain with a lame reason for wanting to kill Batman, plus, his identity was hardly difficult to unravel. Add on a death of a beloved Bat character, and a lot of people tend to have issues with this story.

I still enjoyed it though.

mattx110

12-02-2007, 04:20 PM

The whole story was just fanboy wish list tied together with a sorry excuse for a "mystery."

The reason that new fans probably like it so much is because it reads more like a who's who and what's what in the bat-universe than an actual engaging story. New fans come out of it filled in on a lot of the Batman mythos.
Yes. And? I hadn't read much comics in a while, and I see the Jim Lee Croc cover, and went "Wait!!!!! That's not who I think it is?!!??!"

If it's good enough to pull Jim Lee into a monthly title, it's good enough for me.

Choppa

12-02-2007, 05:22 PM

Yes. And? I hadn't read much comics in a while, and I see the Jim Lee Croc cover, and went "Wait!!!!! That's not who I think it is?!!??!"

If it's good enough to pull Jim Lee into a monthly title, it's good enough for me.

That's kind of my point isnt' it? If all you care about is who is drawing it, then more power to you. But it's not fair for HUSH to be credited as something that it's not while other better lesser known stories are ignored.

Lord Trigon

12-02-2007, 05:34 PM

Hush Returns was kinda bad it messed up his story.

also I like city of crime although it was quite twisted.

mattx110

12-02-2007, 05:35 PM

That's kind of my point isnt' it? If all you care about is who is drawing it, then more power to you. But it's not fair for HUSH to be credited as something that it's not while other better lesser known stories are ignored.
Ummm.... I like Loeb too. But getting a Jim Lee batman for a kid who grew up in the '90s is NOT to be confused with getting comics for the art and ignoring the story. It's a bit nostalgic, but mostly "thank god he's drawing again". I'm massively selective of what comics I will buy based on who is writing them, and who the artists are. Based on Long Halloween and Dark Victory, I didn't go in expecting "this is going to be a mediocre story with awesome art".

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

12-02-2007, 07:09 PM

Which one is 'dead reckoning'? I don't remember it.

It was in Detective #777-782. The arc with The Charlatan/Paul Sloane supposedly stalking Batman's rogues (and having a particular interest in Two-Face most of all).

Gotham

12-02-2007, 08:25 PM

That's a matter of opinion.

Of course it's opinion. 80% of this forum is opinion. Discussions, small debates, arguments and counter-arguments.

dancj

12-03-2007, 06:36 AM

The art is what made me choose this over the Long Halloween, the art in this is super amazing, the art in TLH not so much.
I'd say the art in Hush is passable and the story is mediocre. The story in TLH is passable, but the art is absolutely fantastic!

Captain Jim

12-03-2007, 07:11 AM

Of course it's opinion. 80% of this forum is opinion. Discussions, small debates, arguments and counter-arguments.

I still prefer opinion to be clearly labeled as such. Particularly when someone puts down a highly regarded artist on a thread giving recommendations to newbies.

Choppa

12-03-2007, 09:36 AM

Ummm.... I like Loeb too. But getting a Jim Lee batman for a kid who grew up in the '90s is NOT to be confused with getting comics for the art and ignoring the story. It's a bit nostalgic, but mostly "thank god he's drawing again". I'm massively selective of what comics I will buy based on who is writing them, and who the artists are. Based on Long Halloween and Dark Victory, I didn't go in expecting "this is going to be a mediocre story with awesome art".

I think I misunderstood your original response. It sounded like you were saying that you only liked HUSH because of Lee. It's not clear to me what you meant.

Johnny_Luck

12-03-2007, 09:54 AM

I still prefer opinion to be clearly labeled as such. Particularly when someone puts down a highly regarded artist on a thread giving recommendations to newbies.

I also prefer to not have to go preschool on people on a board about opinions and thus shouldn't have to label everything I have to say.

Like he said If someones going to post facts on a message board used for opinions they'll quote the evidence or say FACT IS or FACT of the Matter before saying what they say. Having to say IMHO or IMO before every post is tiresome and retarded.

If You like Old School, basic artwork with more of a vibe of how things were done years ago, than of actually trying to pull off artwork that looks good on the page than the artwork in the Long Halloween is definately good artwork.

If You like flashy, with lots of colors, pretty on the page, good designs and action shots Lees Hush was much better art wise than TLH was.

Not to say Tim Sale is a bad artist by any means but hes proven he can do way way better than he did with TLH.

Gotham

12-03-2007, 10:47 AM

I still prefer opinion to be clearly labeled as such. Particularly when someone puts down a highly regarded artist on a thread giving recommendations to newbies.

Well, thanks, but I'm not really a newbie. I've been into Bats since I was a kid and stopped reading the monthlies probably back in '99. Hush was always something I wanted to read but not really buy. I finally gave in and just wanted to know what some of the people here thought about it because I've heard some people label it as 'too obvious'.

But I know where you are coming from.

Captain Jim

12-03-2007, 03:03 PM

Well, thanks, but I'm not really a newbie. I've been into Bats since I was a kid and stopped reading the monthlies probably back in '99. Hush was always something I wanted to read but not really buy. I finally gave in and just wanted to know what some of the people here thought about it because I've heard some people label it as 'too obvious'.

But I know where you are coming from.

No offense intended. But you made it clear you'd been gone so long, I thought it was pretty much the same situation.

Captain Jim

12-03-2007, 03:08 PM

I also prefer to not have to go preschool on people on a board about opinions and thus shouldn't have to label everything I have to say.

Like he said If someones going to post facts on a message board used for opinions they'll quote the evidence or say FACT IS or FACT of the Matter before saying what they say. Having to say IMHO or IMO before every post is tiresome and retarded.

If You like Old School, basic artwork with more of a vibe of how things were done years ago, than of actually trying to pull off artwork that looks good on the page than the artwork in the Long Halloween is definately good artwork.

If You like flashy, with lots of colors, pretty on the page, good designs and action shots Lees Hush was much better art wise than TLH was.

Not to say Tim Sale is a bad artist by any means but hes proven he can do way way better than he did with TLH.

Well, again, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're clearly in the minority when it comes to Sale. If you can't be bothered to do a little thing like say IMO when you state it, maybe you should just stay away from this forum.

mattx110

12-03-2007, 03:19 PM

I think I misunderstood your original response. It sounded like you were saying that you only liked HUSH because of Lee. It's not clear to me what you meant.
Seeing Jim Lee on Batman was what signed me up. And if Sale was the artist, or another regular Loeb cohort, I wouldn't have gone "holy crap" and picked it up instantly. I might have gotten around to the trade or 6 issue hardcover things (I have the trade of Dark Victory, and it seems like it's more fun to read that way than single issues).

There aren't many artists I'm that glad to see working. When Mazzuchelli releases whatever it is he's working on, he's one of I dunno, 5 artists that I'd get if it were written by a pigeon.

Loeb's mysteries aren't always mysteries... but there was still some good moments with Superman and Jim Gordon, and with Joker being creepy without showing up alot.

And I'm not sure how I'd characterize Sale, but it's not really old-fashioned... it's pretty modern, but sort of, only certain pieces of the 80s and 90s comic art movements touched him. When he cuts loose a bit, some figures get unruly. Kinda early twentieth century maybe (non-comic art style-wise).

Gotham

12-03-2007, 03:27 PM

No offense intended. But you made it clear you'd been gone so long, I thought it was pretty much the same situation.

I still bought trades for the most part.

Gotham

12-03-2007, 03:28 PM

Well, again, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're clearly in the minority when it comes to Sale. If you can't be bothered to do a little thing like say IMO when you state it, maybe you should just stay away from this forum.

You're only entitled to your opinion if you state CLEARLY that it's an opinion!

/bonk!

Every reply in this topic is an opinion. Yes I liked Hush here is why. No I didn't like Hush and here is why.

Captain Jim

12-03-2007, 03:37 PM

Gotham, that wasn't directed to you, but to Johnny Luck, who appeared to have an attitude problem.

Gotham

12-03-2007, 03:39 PM

Gotham, that wasn't directed to you, but to Johnny Luck, who appeared to have an attitude problem.

Well, this thread can die anyway! I already went out and bought Hush 30 minutes after I made the topic the other night. Haha.

Paul Dee

12-03-2007, 03:47 PM

If you can't be bothered to do a little thing like say IMO when you state it, maybe you should just stay away from this forum.

In all fairness though that's a bit harsh. As everyone else have already said, every statement about the quality of a books art, writing etc is an opinion and everyone should go into these forums fully aware of that. When does someone ever remark about the quality of a book with it not being an opinion?

wordnerd

12-03-2007, 04:30 PM

Not to say Tim Sale is a bad artist by any means but hes proven he can do way way better than he did with TLH.
i think you're forgetting that TLH was still relatively early in sale's career. each artist develops over time and improves their technique. personally, i love TLH, it's my favourite comic book. and i love it because of the art. tim sale was the first comic book artist whose work i fell in love with. i compare LTH with Catwoman: When in Rome and i see his growth as an artist. doesn't lessen my love of TLH. there's something about sale's style that appeals to me so strongly. there's emotional depth to his work.

i see hush and i marvel at the competence but for me it feels a little cold. yes, it's beautiful and catwoman looks amazing (still prefer sale's version) but it feels like it's all about the style and artistic mastery. i don't have the same emotional response to it.

Gotham

12-03-2007, 04:53 PM

. i don't have the same emotional response to it.

The Dark Knight Returns ruined me ever having any kind of emotional response to a Batman piece ever again.

Choppa

12-03-2007, 07:56 PM

Seeing Jim Lee on Batman was what signed me up. And if Sale was the artist, or another regular Loeb cohort, I wouldn't have gone "holy crap" and picked it up instantly. I might have gotten around to the trade or 6 issue hardcover things (I have the trade of Dark Victory, and it seems like it's more fun to read that way than single issues).

There aren't many artists I'm that glad to see working. When Mazzuchelli releases whatever it is he's working on, he's one of I dunno, 5 artists that I'd get if it were written by a pigeon.

Loeb's mysteries aren't always mysteries... but there was still some good moments with Superman and Jim Gordon, and with Joker being creepy without showing up alot.

And I'm not sure how I'd characterize Sale, but it's not really old-fashioned... it's pretty modern, but sort of, only certain pieces of the 80s and 90s comic art movements touched him. When he cuts loose a bit, some figures get unruly. Kinda early twentieth century maybe (non-comic art style-wise).

So then you are saying that you bought it for Lee's art?

dancj

12-07-2007, 07:00 AM

If You like Old School, basic artwork with more of a vibe of how things were done years ago, than of actually trying to pull off artwork that looks good on the page than the artwork in the Long Halloween is definately good artwork.
Oookaaaayy.... I'm hard pushed to think of art that looks better on the page that Tim Sales in The Long Halloween.

If You like flashy, with lots of colors, pretty on the page, good designs and action shots Lees Hush was much better art wise than TLH was.
I'll grant you flashy and lots of colours, but Jim Lee's designs for Hush were notoriously bad and his action is really stiff.

foxley

12-07-2007, 03:55 PM

I quite enjoyed Hush when it was first coming out, but got irritated towards the end, especially when they added yet another character who knows Batman's secret identity. And I didn't enjoy the attempt to make Hush a top tier villain from the get go. Saying he was so much better than all theses established villains we've known and loved for years was irritating. The plot would have worked just as well with, say, Hugo Strange as the mastermind.

I enjoyed some of Lee's art. I loved his Catwoman (or more particularly his Selina Kyle) and Riddler, but loathed his Killer Croc (does no-one remember Croc started his comics career as a schemer with enough brains and moxie to attempt to unify Gotham's gangs?).

And Hush Returns pretty destroyed any chance Hush ever had of being a credible villain.

mattx110

12-07-2007, 04:25 PM

So then you are saying that you bought it for Lee's art?
Yes. My first instinct was "Hey, Jim Lee on Batman? WTF, here's 3 bucks!" If it were written a writer I don't like, I would have been a bit more cautious. But it was more of a "hey cool, Jeph Loeb is there too".

This might be the only case where a cover has made me buy a book though. It's just, I'm rather offended by the assumption that I must be satisfied by picture books with crappy writing because I noticed Jim Lee first. At the time, I was used to seeing Loeb's name on covers, but Jim Lee on Batman was unusual.