Owen Deathstalker vs Cassandra Cain

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

This is Owen with just his Boost ability (pre-madness maze) and a sword.

Who wins?

[Sharpandpointies]

This is Owen with just his Boost ability (pre-madness maze) and a sword.

Who wins?

Owen probably operates at Comic Peak Human strength under boost, and likely bullet-time speed. His skill with a sword is probably the equal of one of the high-tier comic fighters.

It isn't enough. Batgirl has equal or greater speed, hitting power on the same level, better equipment, and the Body-Read. She takes this, though it's a surprisingly hard fight and Owen probably grabs one or two in ten.

Madness Maze Owen boosts then curbstomps her.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Owen probably operates at Comic Peak Human strength under boost, and likely bullet-time speed. His skill with a sword is probably the equal of one of the high-tier comic fighters.

It isn't enough. Batgirl has equal or greater speed, hitting power on the same level, better equipment, and the Body-Read. She takes this, though it's a surprisingly hard fight and Owen probably grabs one or two in ten.

Madness Maze Owen boosts then curbstomps her.

I'm not so sure he isn't as fast, actually. The second time he uses Boost in the series he moves so fast that two, IIRC, guards are blitzed and he crosses the hanger of his spaceship so fast that no one sees him.


Again, later on when he's on Mistworld, he fights an enraged mob of people (literally, at least 50 all mind controlled essentially) and holds them all off, including a blatant Met-Human being (a Wampyr) before he became too tired and Tobias Moon then saves him.


Oz also gives him enhanced reaction time and senses.

[Crouch]

I'm not so sure he isn't as fast, actually.
I wouldnt be surprised if he isnt faster and stronger. As CoHB mentioned he was capable of running faster than the eye can see and bending steel with his bear hands, and this was when he was limiting the effect of the Boost on his body. He also has a limited healing factor and all round enhanced senses while boosted.

Oh and what standard equipment are you giving Owen? You mention the sword but then also Oz. Does Oz come with the yacht? How about the grenades and dagger and gun he carried around?

If its only the sword then the best bet to take him on is to play keep away and let the Boost burn itself out his system.

I would say Batgirl could take maybe 3 out of 10 simply because of the the limited Boost time available to Owen


including a blatant Met-Human being (a Wampyr)
It was fairly clear that the Wampyr were superior to Owen in pretty much every way. Owen just got lucky when he killed that one on Mistworld.

Its seemed that most of the augmentations that feature in the Deathstalker universe were attempts to recreate the Boost ability that the Deathstalkers pioneered. However, everytime a Boosted person comes up against a regular human who had been augmented they still seem to come out on top. Considering the crazy things (taking on groups of 10-50 people at the same time) those other people (Valentine, Kid Death, Razor) were capable of, the Boost was a pretty formidable ability.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

I wouldnt be surprised if he isnt faster and stronger. As CoHB mentioned he was capable of running faster than the eye can see and bending steel with his bear hands, and this was when he was limiting the effect of the Boost on his body. He also has a limited healing factor and all round enhanced senses while boosted.

Oh and what standard equipment are you giving Owen? You mention the sword but then also Oz. Does Oz come with the yacht? How about the grenades and dagger and gun he carried around?

If its only the sword then the best bet to take him on is to play keep away and let the Boost burn itself out his system.

I would say Batgirl could take maybe 3 out of 10 simply because of the the limited Boost time available to Owen


It was fairly clear that the Wampyr were superior to Owen in pretty much every way. Owen just got lucky when he killed that one on Mistworld.

Its seemed that most of the augmentations that feature in the Deathstalker universe were attempts to recreate the Boost ability that the Deathstalkers pioneered. However, everytime a Boosted person comes up against a regular human who had been augmented they still seem to come out on top. Considering the crazy things (taking on groups of 10-50 people at the same time) those other people (Valentine, Kid Death, Razor) were capable of, the Boost was a pretty formidable ability.



Just his mind link to Oz (since it was standard for so long) and his sword.


Also, good point on the rest. Nice to finally see someoen else who has read Green's stuff.:)

[Sharpandpointies]

Batgirl manages the moving quicker than the eye can track as well - done it in her own mag. So at the very most, their speed is on par.

Then again, Comic Book Peak Humans have come close to moving quicker than the eye tracks.

While Batgirl doesn't bend steel, her striking power gives her a similar level of oomph, given the sorts of things she has broken through (weapon-grade steel with fingertip spearhand strikes, for example). Some of them casually. And throw in her precise strikes and nerve-hits.

So I see it like this -

1. Speed - Batgirl possibly faster, possibly equal.
2. Striking power - equal, each fully capable of taking the other one out with a solid hit.
3. Weapons - Sword versus blades and Batbelt stuff - Batgirl for the gear.
4. Endurance - Batgirl all the way - the boost burns Owen out, and Cass trains for hours at a time.
5. Special Powers - Limited Healing Factor versus Body Read. Call that one as you see it, but I'd put 'extra defense' over 'something that doesn't really heal me enough to seriously matter in the middle of a fight'.

If we're talking about mobs of humans, Batgirl does stuff like put down more than a dozen pistol armed agents waiting in ambush for her in the same amount of time it takes a man to hurry up three stairs and turn a corner (ie, about 1-2 seconds), before any of them gets a shot off. With her empty hands, no gear.

She also KO's a crowd of at least a dozen (Robin says 'about fifty', but he's exaggerating) with precise nerve strikes (attested to by Batman) in the amount of time it takes Robin to shake off a punch in the face...and he doesn't even see who does it. He takes the hit, goes down with stars around his head (but still conscious), there's a 'whooshthudthudthud' for a second, he gets up, and the crowd is completely out.

Crowds of lunatics or ambushes of large groups black ops agents armed with firearms, these things don't mean much at all to her.

This is why I'm giving it to Cass, against non-Madness Maze Owen. Specifically non-Madness Maze Owen.

Milage, as always, may vary.

[Crouch]

Well the point I was trying to make regarding Owen's speed is that he was doing all of the following whilst deliberately limiting his Boosted abilities.

So he is faced with three guards and
a) shoots one of them
b) ran across a space ship launch pad faster than the other two could see him
c) beheads the second one and impales the third, before they can even react to the first guard being killed and before the first body reaches the ground

As for strength and durability/healing, he can lift a Hadenman which puts him at around Class 0.5-2 and he was bending the steel of the spaceship that was shot to pieces and crashed into the ground with him inside of it, using the Boost to keep him alive and moving despite the injuries he had just received.

He also was capable of grappling with a Grendel, he is definately not as strong as it, but the Grendel had to apply some effort to overpower him.

As for skill with a sword, he was far above Ruby, the Mistworld bounty hunter, and that was without using the Boost. And he had a fair amount of unarmed martial arts training as well.

Cassandra has him in terms of equipment and endurance, but I see him as being a fair bit faster and stronger which in turn limits the usefulness of her body reading.

Also bear in mind that I maintain that she takes 3 out of 10 simply because of the endurance factor. The speed factor, depending on who you see has the advantage, could change that considerably.

And of course Madness Maze anyone is on an entirely different level.