Hey Storm Fans

[bluedmighty]

What do you guys think about the "Spear" ?

I liked it. I think that it adds a little something to her preasance and I'd like to see the look/weapon stick around.


Where did she get it?

Is it Vibranium?

Is it Mystical?

It "looked" like she could chanel power through it.

Does the spear hold some significance, or is it just an accesory?


What do y'all think.

[Speed]

Funnily enough, it was a harpoon she stole from Harpoon.

[worstblogever]

What do you guys think about the "Spear" ?

I liked it. I think that it adds a little something to her preasance and I'd like to see the look/weapon stick around.


Where did she get it?

Is it Vibranium?

Is it Mystical?

It "looked" like she could chanel power through it.

Does the spear hold some significance, or is it just an accesory?


What do y'all think.

You might as well merge this into the X-Men 205 thread, where it's already been discussed. The big "reveal" of Storm having a spear is that she lifted it off of Harpoon off panel when the strike team threw him through the wall last issue.

[frog]

What do you guys think about the "Spear" ?

I liked it. I think that it adds a little something to her preasance and I'd like to see the look/weapon stick around.


Where did she get it?

Is it Vibranium?

Is it Mystical?

It "looked" like she could chanel power through it.

Does the spear hold some significance, or is it just an accesory?


What do y'all think.

Um, I'm pretty sure that's just the harpoon she took from Harpoon. It was handy.


Edit: wow you guys are fast!

[bluedmighty]

Um, I'm pretty sure that's just the harpoon she took from Harpoon. It was handy.


Edit: wow you guys are fast!

Thanx didn't know it had already been discussed.

You guys ARE fast. :D

Why would she do that?

She looked good with it, shoud she keep it?

[Christopher O]

She definitely shouldn't keep it. It's a bit lame.

[worstblogever]

Thanx didn't know it had already been discussed.

You guys ARE fast. :D

Why would she do that?

She looked good with it, shoud she keep it?

Harpoon can charge objects up with energy, that's why he wields it. It's probably tailor made to be a lightning rod for Storm to wield.

That and Bachalo probably wanted her to have it because she looks bad*ss when he draws her with it.

Just don't make it into a racist reason, please.

[Harlock]

Storm needs no weapons. Storm is a weapon.

[ExodusCloak]

I like it although, I think she should modify the design so that the blade a little more curved and thicker.

[jarrod]

She can keep it, but only when Bachalo draws her. <3 <3

[rZi]

I didn't really think it had any importance....plus she looks cooler in the sky waving her arms when manipulating the weater, ELITE.

[LordAllMighty]

Storm needs no weapons. Storm is a weapon.

True.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8858/205scan6iz0.jpg

Other then adding dramatic effect (which it does nicely), there no real reason for her to have a spear.

[mr2core]

It added a dramatic effect to those few scenes, nothing more. I do not think she should keep it. If she did, wouldnt hurt my feelings at all.

[Brian M.]

For a girl who can control the weather...a spear is a little lame.

[Tobias Drake]

BUFFY: Do we really need weapons for this?
SPIKE: I just like them. They make me feel all manly.
~Buffy, School Hard

Whoever said you need a reason to carry a weapon? Storm looks cool with it; if she feels cool with it, she should keep it.

[Agent_Torpor]

Funnily enough, it was a harpoon she stole from Harpoon.

She should really give it back, then.

[jester1436]

The spear reminds me of the X-Men arcade game. Didn't she carry around some baton thong for her physical attacks in the game?

[Harlock]

She should really give it back, then.

I agree. It's not right for super heroes to steal. Storm is a total jerk now in my eyes.

[Novaya Havoc]

For a girl who can control the weather...a spear is a little lame.

It's a great idea! Just like when a superhero who can shoot lasers and a superhero telekinetic make swords to fight with!

... Oh. Wait.

[Harlock]

It's a great idea! Just like when a superhero who can shoot lasers and a superhero telekinetic make swords to fight with!

... Oh. Wait.

You know, All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder (as terrible as that series is) touched on that. Batman was totally dissing Green Lantern for having the most powerful weapon in the universe in his super duper ring. He said the guy was an idiot because he would make a green vacuum to suck up bad guys and stuff. I LOLed at that. Your post reminded me of it.

[Brian M.]

It's a great idea! Just like when a superhero who can shoot lasers and a superhero telekinetic make swords to fight with!

... Oh. Wait.

Well it's much safer fighting close up, hand to hand instead of zapping them from a distance.

[Alphaxman]

I voted for to keep it but looking back she really doesn’t need it. She just looked so bad ass in those few panels.

[Novaya Havoc]

Well it's much safer fighting close up, hand to hand instead of zapping them from a distance.

As next week's Die by the Sword proves for Dazzler.

*groan*

[jarrod]

Didn't she have a spear (and tigers lol) when she went to Africa in Uncanny near the end of Claremont's run? Bachalo must like the visual or something?

[AntiChappy]

I don't think the spear does much for her really. A dramatic hand gesture works just as well; then again, she does have experience with one, and it could work, I guess. I'm just thinking that it'd be a pain, and would be forgotten about inevitably.

[Kal]

She should keep it. I love it!

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I got no problem with it. It's just for visual effect anyway.

[Faded]

I think it looks great on her, but I've always thought weapons were a tad silly in a super-powered world.

[DeniseXfrost]

Keep it keep it!

[pryde15]

I thought the spear was ok, but she shouldn't keep it. I think I might've just liked the way Bachalo drew it.

[sinjection]

mighty mighty, I would like to render my opinion on this matter and then ask you a question or two if I may :)

What I'd like to know is this. Which is the true Storm? Is it

a) The Storm who crumbled and wept when Forge retracted his proposal of marriage to her mumbling weakly, "I was going to say yes."

b) The Storm who, when T'Challa told her that now "he was the man she deserved" during his marriage proposal to her, responded in a state of some emotional upset; "You.... fool! Where were you when I needed you? You left me alone, a child in love for the first time." T'Challa tells her that he was a child too and that as a child, he made a childish mistake when they parted. Ororo replies, "I would have done anything for you! We could have had it all! It would have been perfect!"

c) Are both incidents indicative of how the true Storm would have reacted? Is Storm consistent in her response and true to her character in both situations?

I have very definite ideas regarding this query, but will wait for your response before I give my opinion.

One last question. Are you reading x-men: messiah complex? If so, has Storm made ANY mention....Any mention AT ALL about her husband and the nation they rule together?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I thought it was kinda random...but it was very cool nonetheless. Maybe she picked it up from the Savage Land, since they are in Antarctica.

I say keep it.

[Arilou]

I don't care either way. Having a big stick of some sort to wave looks cool, but I don't see the reason for it :p

[frog]

I thought it was kinda random...but it was very cool nonetheless. Maybe she picked it up from the Savage Land, since they are in Antarctica.

I say keep it.

Once again, Storm took it from Harpoon right before one of the X-Men tossed him through the wall of the Maurauder's hide out. The harpoon didn't come from nowhere. It was just handy and that's why it's there. No great significance, other than that Harpoon just got pwned.

It's nice to see Storm being a strong woman again.

[steve2275]

better storm than harpoon

[Jackob]

it would be cool to see some hand to hand action with the spear insted of just lighting

[Schuimend Mormel]

She doesn't need to keep the spear. Her mutant powers are her weapon. That being said, she is a skilled fighter when she wields a knife. I think the knife suits her; she fights fast and sneaky. And when she had lost her powers, she was able to defeat a gang of street thugs using only a wooden plank, not to mention her unarmed combat skills.

[Magneto X]

If Maurauders are cloned, why not have multiples. If there were twenty Scramblers, at least one would hit his mark. Or maybe Sinister should stop hogging all the powers and give his weakest a boost.

[chemicalx]

I think the spear looked cool. Sure storm doesnt need it but it just underscores her versitility as a character. She is a good hand to hand fighter which i think sometimes gets lost in all her godlike weather fury. Its good to see her combine different elements of her personality in this way.

Plus storm knows better than most x-men that you cant just rely on your powers to get you out of a situation so again good to have practice with other fighting methods.

All in all i wouldnt want to see it all the time but its something cool for her to breakout every once and awhile.

[Schuimend Mormel]

If Maurauders are cloned, why not have multiples. If there were twenty Scramblers, at least one would hit his mark.

Here we go again...

I asked this question myself some months ago. This is what I got as an answer:

I have a question about the Marauders: if Sinister can clone any of them, then why doesn't he clone them all ten times or so? He would have an army with which to combat the X-Men. Ten Scramblers to wipe away their powers, ten Harpoons throwing their harpoons, a row of ten Scalphunters gunning at them, and so on.

So why not do that?

the clones may kill each other so that one "true" version of each of the Marauders stands tall. These aren't blank automatons, they are people who have been killed and reborn in their clones. They still need their sense of "self". Look at Spidey and his clone, see what happened with that fiasco.

It comes down to control. Mister Sinister wants to be able to control his shock troops. Too many clones at once may be Sinister's undoing. Supposedly, Sinister has the original Marauders in suspended animation in his lab while he decants new clones at will when any of them die in battle.

As at least three people have wondered about this now afaik, it could probably be discussed in another thread, but it would be off topic in this thread.

[Fatguy]

I chose "Bang it", because I'm immature and I thought it was funny.

[xgeek52]

*ponder sinjections queries*

okay here's the deal ororo was a reluntant x-man in the beginning...she was a character (and i emphasize the word character) who grew more than any other character...her relationship with forge and t'calla and her friendship with gambit is part of who she is a woman...but she is also a warrior, a thief and an x-man...that fact no one can ignore...

i have never have objected to the wedding or the marriage...my objection has alway been creatively...as a reader i didn't like the way it was done...just like i didn't like the way they killed scott summer, brought him back and killed jean grey AGAIN...

but it is as fact...but there is also the fact that she is a mutant and an x-man...marriage or no, her relutance in the beginning and the changes she went through over the years, ororo, as a character, has believed in the dream...

though i've been away from the books for several months, given the character i know she would have been part of the key events over the last year or so...

maybe with my hiatus, i may be off the mark...

but i know this for me ororo has been a strong black woman...but she is also a mutant and marvel has done her an injustice...

and sinjection i'm not talking about her relationship with t'calla or the marriage...i'm talking about the character as I know her...

[Lobsterdom]

With Mr. Bachalo's slight anime-ish style, it really reminded me of her:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd313/Lobsterdom/ifuritawstaff.jpg

Power-wise too. So, no.
Anyway, its just like Wolverine using that Muramasa blade...

[Shade101]

Hey Blue. Hey everyone. How's everyone doin'?

Storm has always been a versatile woman in my opinion. Whether it be with her powers, her personality, or battle tactics. Seeing her do one thing over and over again gets tiresome. So it was a welcome and exciting change for the writers to introduce her to a new weapon. A spear. I felt she used the spear in a crafty manner. Channeling lightning through a spear is clever and very resourceful for her to do. I haven't read the issue yet, but judging from scans I've seen, it seems as though she makes good use of it. Though I do agree that she is a weapon all in herself, it wouldn't hurt her to experiment with different things sometimes.

Well that's my two cents. Peace out.

[sinjection]

*ponder sinjections queries*

I'm happy you overlooked my oversight. I carelessly forgot to add your name to the list of those whose response I'd be most interested in. I'm happy you realized my error and didn't hold it against me :)

okay here's the deal ororo was a reluntant x-man in the beginning...she was a character (and i emphasize the word character) who grew more than any other character...her relationship with forge and t'calla and her friendship with gambit is part of who she is a woman...but she is also a warrior, a thief and an x-man...that fact no one can ignore...

Acknowledged. However, Ororo has recently become a married lady and a Queen of a very powerful nation. It occurs to me that x-writers have chosen to ignore that fact.

i have never have objected to the wedding or the marriage...my objection has alway been creatively...as a reader i didn't like the way it was done...

I understand and accept as valid your observations and your reserve with respect to the WEDDING OF THE CENTURY. But that wedding is now a fact. Most fans have no problem with the pairing now that it exists. I believe that Ororo deserves the opportunity to move forward into the exciting story possibilities awaiting her in Wakanda and not be used to prop up what looks very much like a dying x-franchise to me.

but it is as fact...but there is also the fact that she is a mutant and an x-man...marriage or no, her relutance in the beginning and the changes she went through over the years, ororo, as a character, has believed in the dream...

Agree with all you've said here. However, I've become irked by Prof. X's so-called "dream". I won't go into the reason(s) why this is the case in mighty mighty's thread.

but i know this for me ororo has been a strong black woman...

I have to differ with you on this point. Ororo hasn't always been depicted as strong and because of the nature of how she's been portrayed and the types of characters with whom she was primarily associated, even her race has been disputed. Yes, Ororo is an x-man. The x-men are supposed to be "family". Forge seemed to forget or ignore that fact when he treated Ororo like dirt when she attempted to defend the x-man from the future, Bishop, from an ancient enemy of the x-men, Mystique. Forge wanted to hurt Ororo because he was jealous of the presence of Bishop. Why is it only Ororo is required to remember the x-men are supposedly "family" when the rest of them can't even respect the families they've formed within the x-men through marriage?

I thank you for your reponses xgeek52. But I still didn't see the specific answers to the questions I put forward.

1) Was the characterization of Ororo consistent in her responses manifested during the emotional periods of Forge's retraction of his marriage proposal and her anger at T'Challa for believing he had to become worthy of her before he could love her and expect her to love him, thereby deferring the happiness that should have been theirs from the beginning?

2) I imagine you - being the loyal x-fanatic that you are - are probably reading the messiah complex. If so, I'd like to know if Storm has EVER mentioned her marriage, her husband or spoken of her Queenly obligations to that powerful nation during the course of that story, or has the writer of that story decided to ignore altogether that Ororo is now a married lady and Queen of Almighty Wakanda?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Pach!]

She's not going to be keeping the harpoon. It was great to see that splash where she was used her powers to the max. Lovely. That's the Storm I enjoy.

[Faded]

She's not going to be keeping the harpoon. It was great to see that splash where she was used her powers to the max. Lovely. That's the Storm I enjoy.

Right? I just love seeing her back with the X-Men and being drawn by Bachalo--though there was one page where somebody left her a little exposed. But its okay though, it was still gorgeous! ;)

[xgeek52]

okay maybe i didn't answer the questions the way you wanted...

but being a long time x-man reader, i don't see ororo a JUST the queen...i recognize her as such beause it is now part of who she is and i acknowledge that it can open avenues for her as a character...i got problems with the way it was done and yes a part of me hopes they fix it...

but as a long time reader, i cannot ignore the other aspects...she the queen of an african nation and you rejoice in the posibilities for future stories and to be honest so do i...but i don't think it so much the x-writers as marvel itself...correct me if i'm wrong but the entire purpose of marrying her to t'calla (at the marvel editors table) was to help the black panther book...okay, nothing wrong with that but as a writer do it smart...

they didn't do it smart...if i'm wrong then, i'm wrong...

good or ill ororo was/is a key figure in the mutant universe...the x-men are not a dying franchise...stagnant yes, which is part of the reason for my recent hiatus and part of the reason for the current event...but i've been down this road before...but a balance needs to be found between the character that was and the character now...

ororo and t'calla may be all you want them to be...and i can't really argue that point...matter of fact i really respect it...

but at this point marvel ain't got there --creatively speaking...yeah i wanna see it...be some interesting stories even if it screws with some of the continuity...but like i said, a balance needs to be found...

like i told ya, that just me...

*grins*

and i still think i didn't give you the answers you wanted...but as for messiah, financially ain't in my budget...but no i don't think she probably would...

given the character she would be foccused on the current mutant crisis...after all she still leads the morlocks (i think)...

[sinjection]

okay maybe i didn't answer the questions the way you wanted...

but being a long time x-man reader, i don't see ororo a JUST the queen...i recognize her as such beause it is now part of who she is and i acknowledge that it can open avenues for her as a character...i got problems with the way it was done and yes a part of me hopes they fix it...

I'm not going to presume to tell you how you should answer my questions, x. I just noted that your previous post didn't seem to address those questions asked. Nevertheless, I do appreciate and respect your answers and opinion, even as I am directly opposed to both :)

Storm isn't "just" a Queen. But her being a Queen makes her MORE than an x-man and MORE than she could have EVER BECOME as a member of the x-men. We don't need to get into a discussion of whatever problems you might have with the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY and my counterpoints because I know we both have no desire to derail this thread launched by my brother, mighty mighty.


but as a long time reader, i cannot ignore the other aspects...she the queen of an african nation and you rejoice in the posibilities for future stories and to be honest so do i...

COMMON GROUND! You see? I know we had it in us to reach such a place :D


but i don't think it so much the x-writers as marvel itself...correct me if i'm wrong but the entire purpose of marrying her to t'calla (at the marvel editors table) was to help the black panther book...okay, nothing wrong with that but as a writer do it smart...

I'm not going to try to speak to why the Marvel editors decided it would be a good idea to marry Storm to the Black Panther. I'll only say that the MARRIAGE is a strong positive for both characters. They make a dazzling couple and the stories awaiting them are many and and bound to be compelling. Storm deserves to move apart from and beyond the limiting constraints of the x-men. Making her a Queen of a powerful nation trumps making her the "leader of the blue team" of a dying species of characters.


good or ill ororo was/is a key figure in the mutant universe...the x-men are not a dying franchise...stagnant yes,

They have cut their own throat. Why kill off the very type of character your entire franchise is based upon? Why make coexistence between mutants and humans such a big deal when there are now only 198 mutants left on the entire planet? That doesn't make any sense. The x-franchise relies on cheap, tawdry, sex-drenched gimmicks to remain afloat. In the Black Panther, Ororo is always drawn in a full-form costume covering her lovely body. The white male x-writer chooses to portray Storm in skimpy costumes, making her more of a "sex-man" than an x-man. But again x, we must agree to disagree here as well. I don't want to go too far astray from the topic of the thread.

which is part of the reason for my recent hiatus and part of the reason for the current event...but i've been down this road before...but a balance needs to be found between the character that was and the character now...

"Hiatus"? I was once a fan of the x-men myself. I haven't taken a "hiatus" as you have x. I have dumped the x-franchise altogether. As a black comicbook fan, I can no longer countenance how black characters are treated by the editors and writers of this specific genre of Marvel's comicbook properties. I'll leave that comment where it is. This is mighty mighty's thread. The topic is Storm and that harpoon - I believe she should slang it and exchange it for a Wakandan war spear myself - but I am also interested in your opinion regarding Storm's portrayal with respect to the specific questions I've asked.

ororo and t'calla may be all you want them to be...and i can't really argue that point...matter of fact i really respect it...

I thank you x. As you know, you have my respect as an intelligent, engaging and informative poster. I enjoy reading your posts even if I don't always agree with what you post.

I will accept that you choose not to answer the questions addressing how Storm was depicted during her marriage proposal dramas, but do you think you could answer the question regarding Storm's portrayal in the messiah complex or would it be a spoiler of some kind?

I want to know if the writer has allowed Storm to remember that she is a married lady and is now Queen of a powerful nation. Has Storm ever mentioned her marriage, her husband or spoken of her Queenly obligations to Almighty Wakanda during the course of the messiah complex?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

This whole thing is about a spear? She'll just drop it next issue. And really, given her power level she doesn't need it. What she needs is pants.

[Slung]

This whole thing is about a spear? She'll just drop it next issue. And really, given her power level she doesn't need it. What she needs is pants.

Give the man a coookie - he is right. Spear is inconsequential: pants are a must.

[Fatguy]

I want to know if the writer has allowed Storm to remember that she is a married lady and is now Queen of a powerful nation. Has Storm ever mentioned her marriage, her husband or spoken of her Queenly obligations to Almighty Wakanda during the course of the messiah complex?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Nope, she hasnt mentioned it yet. But, to be fair, there's a lot going on and she hasnt been prominent in Messiah Complex up until this latest issue.

Chances are it wont be touched upon really until the crossover is winding down, and its revealed whether or not she will remain with an X-team or head back for Wakanda.

[DaeJi]

How did something about Storm and a spear turn into her being a queen? Chances are it won't be dealt with because there's nothing deal with; at the end she'll go home. She helped out the X-Men with this because they are her family and this is important to her series, and when it's over she'll just go home to T'Challa. It's boring.

[bluedmighty]

mighty mighty, I would like to render my opinion on this matter and then ask you a question or two if I may :)

As to your question: I believe Ororo should start slanging harpoons, slanging x-men and start hanging out in Wakanda where she belongs :D

Now I would like your learned opinion on the following question. It will be your opinion and ONLY your opinion that will matter to me with respect to any response this question may receive. That is unless someone else like Yaw, magneto x, blade x, Alphaxman, zebop, even RG - someone whose opinion I can trust won't be biased who chooses to weign in. I will disregard all other responses because I know in advance what those responses will be.


Thanx I'll do my best.


What I'd like to know is this. Which is the true Storm? Is it


a) The Storm who crumbled and wept when Forge retracted his proposal of marriage to her mumbling weakly, "I was going to say yes."

b) The Storm who, when T'Challa told her that now "he was the man she deserved" during his marriage proposal to her, responded in a state of some emotional upset; "You.... fool! Where were you when I needed you? You left me alone, a child in love for the first time." T'Challa tells her that he was a child too and that as a child, he made a childish mistake when they parted. Ororo replies, "I would have done anything for you! We could have had it all! It would have been perfect!"

c) Are both incidents indicative of how the true Storm would have reacted? Is Storm consistent in her response and true to her character in both situations?

I have very definite ideas regarding this query, but will wait for your response before I give my opinion.

GOOD question, and one that I think cuts to the heart of the "Storm is a Skrull" theory.

My Answer to your question is both. This is not a copout as I will explain.

I beleive that both incidents are indicative of how "A REAL" Storm would have reacted.

Forge: Up until this time the character Storm had never really been "Emotionally vulnerable", and her "Godess" demenor seemed to make it hard for the average reader to relate to her. I can see the writers puting her in a relationship in the first place an attempt to "Huminize" the character. in doing that they had to create a kind of tension that would have resulted in exactly the same kind of "real world" break down: Succesful, strong, proud, leader, fast paced adventures, life threatening situatuions,working woman; turned down by the one person she thought understood her (not to mention that jeleousey propmted his proposal). It was a lot like Lucy telling Chuck to kick the ball. She was stressed out and lonely. Honetly for a long time she kicked ass in everything BUT love.


Black Panther: I can see this from her persective. As she was in love and forced into a "HLF" position. She reacted back then by being cool and forging her own way. NOW, years latter you want to mary me fool? I can see that. I can also see the Panther being honest when he said he was done "sewing his royal oas". Not to mention, that at the time he proposed she seemed to be doing some soul searching as a character.




One last question. Are you reading x-men: messiah complex? If so, has Storm made ANY mention....Any mention AT ALL about her husband and the nation they rule together?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Yes I am. No she hasn't.

Which is why I would like it if it turned out that she brought the Spear from Wakanda. It would be a nice nod to her new position.

[kate-pryde]

Storm doesn't need a weapon.

I'm so glad Storm's marriage hasn't been mentioned in Messiah Complex. It's not relevant to the story. I hope it's completely ignored in all future X-books.

[bluedmighty]

Storm doesn't need a weapon.

To be honest, I don't know why she didn't do something like this sooner.

Although to be honest, if it is not a Wakandan spear, I think she should lose it as the sybolism would then be lost.

I don't know why she hasn't done something like this before.
Other characters create power based interpritations and constructs of weapons. I don't see why Storm has never attempted to create a "Wind" sword or blade. Or use her Lightning or other abilities as more effective weapons in the feild.

Query:

When was the last time Storm's lightning K.O'ed anybody on panel?

[Schuimend Mormel]

I'm so glad Storm's marriage hasn't been mentioned in Messiah Complex. It's not relevant to the story. I hope it's completely ignored in all future X-books.

Kate, you're a Rachel fan, like me. And if I'm not mistaken, we were both disappointed that in the 'Rise and Fall' storyarc, no mention was made that Corsair was Rachel's grandfather. Or that, afterward, Cyclops wasn't shown reacting to Corsair's death. Corsair's death was relevant to the story, but his relation to Rachel wasn't THAT important, nor were they ever very close. Isn't this just a little similar?


Other characters create power based interpritations and constructs of weapons. I don't see why Storm has never attempted to create a "Wind" sword or blade. Or use her Lightning or other abilities as more effective weapons in the feild.

Query:

When was the last time Storm's lightning K.O'ed anybody on panel?

Those constructs aren't very popular, though, unless they are introduced very early on after the character's first appearance, or are repeatedly used (think Psylocke's psychic knife). But when Dazzler uses a light sword, or other characters use telekinetic weapon constructs, it usually looks contrived or artificial.

I'd feel the same about Storm. She uses -or rather, guides- the forces of nature in their raw form. She's like the conductor of an orchestra. If she'd use wind swords or lightning swords, it would feel artificial, at least imo. And she already uses the weather quite effectively.

But I don't know when was the last time Storm KO'd someone with lightning. I thought she did that frequently.

[worstblogever]

Kate, you're a Rachel fan, like me. And if I'm not mistaken, we were both disappointed that in the 'Rise and Fall' storyarc, no mention was made that Corsair was Rachel's grandfather. Or that, afterward, Cyclops wasn't shown reacting to Corsair's death. Corsair's death was relevant to the story, but his relation to Rachel wasn't THAT important, nor were they ever very close. Isn't this just a little similar?



Those constructs aren't very popular, though, unless they are introduced very early on after the character's first appearance, or are repeatedly used (think Psylocke's psychic knife). But when Dazzler uses a light sword, or other characters use telekinetic weapon constructs, it usually looks contrived or artificial.

I'd feel the same about Storm. She uses -or rather, guides- the forces of nature in their raw form. She's like the conductor of an orchestra. If she'd use wind swords or lightning swords, it would feel artificial, at least imo. And she already uses the weather quite effectively.

But I don't know when was the last time Storm KO'd someone with lightning. I thought she did that frequently.

Well, she didn't KO Thor with Lightning, but apparently she softened him up for Hercules to finish off. That's her last electro-fantastic moment.

[xmanson]

I don't know why she hasn't done something like this before.
Other characters create power based interpritations and constructs of weapons. I don't see why Storm has never attempted to create a "Wind" sword or blade. Or use her Lightning or other abilities as more effective weapons in the feild.

Why would she use that? She can hit all her enemies from far away, without risking being hurt. Which would not be the case if she had weapons.

What some writers forget is that she can summon lightining form her own body, not only form clouds like we mostly see nowadays.

She used a spear when powerless in Africa waaaaaaaay back in the mid 80's.

She's one of the most powerful members of the team, she doesn't need sticks or wind swords to do damage. And it would be kinda crappy for her to carry it when flying and stuff.

[sinjection]

Thanx I'll do my best.

I know you will. That's why I asked a master - that's you brother. Try not to blush :) - and listed those few others whose opinion would actually matter to me.

And I thank you for your forebearance. It is not my intention to make your thread about Storm and that harpoon (which she should discard and replace with a Wakandan War spear as soon as she returns to Wakanda where she belongs), into a discussion of something totally unrelated, but these questions occured to me and I didn't want to create yet another Storm thread - especially in this forum, brother - to ask those questions. So again, I say thank you.

GOOD question, and one that I think cuts to the heart of the "Storm is a Skrull" theory.

hmmmm....and "ouch" as well. As far as that "Storm is a Skrull theory" goes, it "cuts like a knife" and it doesn't "feel right". :D

My Answer to your question is both. This is not a copout as I will explain.

No need to explain yourself mighty mighty. You see, I knew I was asking the RIGHT person all along. I agree with you 100%. Storm was not depicted any differently when Forge was acting like a jealous little punk breaking up with his girlfriend because the "new kid in town" happened to be the same race as his girlfriend and a damned sight better-looking, than she was when she reacted in anger at T'Challa's statement that now that he had become "the man she deserved" that he could be worthy of her love. T'Challa was Ororo's FIRST and MOST INTENSE LOVE. Had the story been written correctly from the start, and the relationship between T'Challa and Ororo a reality even before Xavier came seeking her out for his x-men, Ororo would have been so much in love with T'Challa that even if she did join the x-men, mutants such as Forge and that mutant whose name I refuse to type in a public forum, would have had NO CHANCE of a romantic relationship with Ororo.

I beleive that both incidents are indicative of how "A REAL" Storm would have reacted.

And I believe you are exactly right, mighty mighty. Hudlin portrayed Storm consistently when she joked with that mutant whose name I refuse to type in a public forum about "watching her back" AND when he penned her reaction to T'Challa's "now I am the man you deserve" statement. The x-men are steeped in sexual innuendo. It's the only thing in my opinion keeping their line of rags afloat - boring as hell publications, they are and incredibly hard on any black character, black male characters specifically, appearing in those boring as hell publications.

When Storm asked that mutant whose...you all know the drill ;) ...why he was in Africa and he responded it was to "watch" her "back", Storm quipped, "I bet you are." Ororo knows her "x-family" are all sexually-perverted and it showed in that exchange with her "x-brother" who wanted nothing more than to get in her panties.

Yes I am. No she hasn't.

Thank you brother. I thought as much might be the case. Writing the story I believe, is the same writer who believed it would make for a better story to have the Patriot seek out Winter Soldier than consult the Falcon about his "feelings" about Captain America. Writing the story I believe, is the same writer who created a black male character designed to look like a gray "Play-Doh" man instead of like a black man. That he would choose to ignore Storm's marriage while having her romping in a publication in a costume barely covering her body's intimate parts, does not come as any surprise to me, mighty mighty.

Which is why I would like it if it turned out that she brought the Spear from Wakanda. It would be a nice nod to her new position.

Again, I believe Storm should exchange the harpoon for a Wakandan War Spear when she returns to Almighty Wakanda. That way, she would have a spear representing the feminine seat of co-Rulership of Wakanda. Her war spear would be the compliment of T'Challa's War Spear. I can't remember, but I think the spear descended from King Bashenga and has been passed through the line of Black Panthers ever since.

Once again mighty mighty, I thank you for your outstanding answers to my questions. Satisfied, I will now sit back in comfort and enjoy the course of your thread. Great thread. Job well done.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Pro]

Her war spear would be the compliment of T'Challa's War Spear.

Freud would have a field day with this sentence ..

[worstblogever]

Again, I believe Storm should exchange the harpoon for a Wakandan War Spear when she returns to Almighty Wakanda. That way, she would have a spear representing the feminine seat of co-Rulership of Wakanda. Her war spear would be the compliment of T'Challa's War Spear. I can't remember, but I think the spear descended from King Bashenga and has been passed through the line of Black Panthers ever since.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

See that above? That's brief and to the point. Try it, people might like it.

Honestly, if she's going to have a Wakandan War Spear, she'd need to be trained how to fight with it. Ororo's good with a switchblade, but if they go that route, it'd be nice to see T'Challa train her how to use it himself, or at least have his crack bodyguards do so with him in audience.

[Pro]

Thank you brother. I thought as much might be the case.

Black Panther's a dick. Here's Storm's fighting to save her own race and Black Panther is nowhere in sight. He's got an entire nation worth of resources, not to mention he is such a genius he can cure cancer, but he doesn't help her out. No surprise for someone who withholds the cure for cancer from the entire world. Such a nice guy.

he responded it was to "watch" her "back", Storm quipped, "I bet you are."

Sounds like Storm was the one who made the sexual innuendo there. Apparently it's okay when it's a black writer who has her make sexual innuendos but not when he's white.

T'Challa's statement that now that he had become "the man she deserved".

Wow:"I'm so great and wonderfull now i can allow you to marry me".
Storm should have kicked his tiny feline nuts.

I didn't want to create yet another Storm thread - especially in this forum, brother

Oh go ahead, we haven't heard the same ranting for the 14th time yet!

[sinjection]

Here's Storm's fighting to save her own race

The foregoing is just another example of the type of ignorance which causes so many differences of opinion that make for interesting and often spirited debate.

Simply put, Storm isn't fighting to "save her own race" in the mc publication. Storm returned to Africa to protect and to help tribes when those tribes, who once had mutants there to do that job, were depowered by Wanda's spell.

When Ororo returned to Africa, it was THEN she was helping people of "her own race" when their protectors, a member of Ororo's "SPECIES" was rendered unable to do so by a spell which removed their powers.

Storm's "own race" is black. Storm is a member of the BLACK race.

Storm is a member of a rapidly-dying SPECIES homo-superior, an offshoot of the homo-sapien species. What is happening in the HoM Avengers is not a "racial war". What is happening in the HoM Avengers is a war between the what, brothers? .... it is a war BETWEEN THE SPECIES.

If the mutants were a separate "race" and Marvel was publishing a book about a story of a "racial war", there would be a backlash of marked proportions. The homo-sapien/homo-superior "war" isn't unlike a war between humans and Martians.

Now, suggest that Storm lead a team of mutants consisting of Nezhno, Cloak, Bling!, M (yes, I don't care what they say. I'm including M in with the brothers and sisters), and let's say Bishop for good measure. That would be an example of Ororo leading a team of mutant SPECIES, but of the BLACK RACE.

The so-called "messiah baby" is a mutant, but it's a white infant mutant. Had the messiah baby been a black infant, I suspect there might have been something of an outcry among x-fan folk - just my honest opinion on the matter.

So no. Ororo isn't fighting to save her own race. Ororo is of the species of mutant, but a member of the BLACK race. Ororo is married to a man of the BLACK race and Queen of a nation of people of the BLACK race.

Just a little "sinjection correction" for you on a cold and wintry Sunday morning :)

Peace,

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[sinjection]

mighty mighty, please indulge me just this one final time.

...fact remains Black Panther is standing by while Storm helps her species survive,...

This statement appears to blame a comicbook character for something overwhich it has no control :)

It isn't the fault of the Black Panther that his wife is fighting alone to preserve the existence of her species. The fault lies with the x-writers.

The same x-writers who depict Storm in an obscene costume in their publications while in the Black Panther publication, only T'Challa is blessed to see those parts of Ororo other men can only dream and fantasize about.

The fault lies with the same x-writers who allow a white punk male mutant to harrass a black male mutant over the course of multiple issues, allowing that black male mutant - only after much long-suffering - to kick the a$$ of the aggressive mutant, and then suggests that he sees the two mutants as being "best friends".

The fault lies with the same x-writers who created a black male mutant whose hair styled in cornrows and dubbed "Slick" of course, is bested by some pipsqueak of a white male mutant, totally humbled, revealed to be a little brown troll of a character (cornrow hairstyle intact), while that pipsqueak of a white male mutant makes time with that "black mutant's" girlfriend.

The fault lies with the same x-writers who kill off black male mutants as if the practice were going out of style. The fault lies with the same x-writers who killed Synch - who was just beginning a love affair with the lovely M - only to have M become involved with a freak of a white male mutant and become possibly impregnated by the duplicate version of that freak of a white male mutant.

I'm happy the Black Panther isn't appearing in this messiah complex story. If such were the case, I've no doubt that the white male x-writer would somehow devise a means by which a difference of opinion on the battlefield would introduce strain into the Wakandan royal marriage which would lead to its eventual collapse, or those writers might have found a way to somehow kill T'Challa during the course of the story.

To paraphrase the great Malcolm X - you x-fans might better recognize Malcolm X by his mutant imitator, Magneto - as long as the white male x-writer has been killing black male mutant characters, they've become EXPERT at it.

The Panther needs to stay miles and miles away from the x-men and he should recall Nezhno to Wakanda as well. The white male x-writer is busily working out the means of Nezhno's demise at this very moment.

Okay mighty mighty, I'm out ;)

Just to keep the post on topic: As far as a possible weapon to focus Storm's energies is concerned, Wakandan War Spear > harpoon. :)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[ExodusCloak]

Just to keep the post on topic: As far as a possible weapon to focus Storm's energies is concerned, Wakandan War Spear > harpoon. :)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Personally if she dropped the Harpoon and got a Wakandan War Spear that's built to channel her energies through I'd still think its cool either way. She looks badass with it. The spear would need to have a nice design and a bigger more curved blade IMO. I'm not sure what the colour of the blade should be, I really like the design and colour of the blade of Buffy's Scythe from the BtVS. The spear would also need to be practical meaning it should be able to be used in conjunction with her powers.

[LordAllMighty]

Thanks for the correction. And fact remains Black Panther is standing by while Storm helps her species survive, just like he's standing by while people die of cancer.

If so, he's not the only one. If Black Panther has the cure for cancer then you know Reed and Doom have it too.:p

[sinjection]

Personally if she dropped the Harpoon and got a Wakandan War Spear that's built to channel her energies through I'd still think its cool either way.

I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

I'm certain that the Wakandan techs could fashion a war spear for Storm which would be structurally sound, effective and relevant to the nature of her powers. I'm sure it would also look even more impressive than that harpoon thing people are talking about.

originally posted by LordAllMighty: If so, he's not the only one. If Black Panther has the cure for cancer then you know Reed and Doom have it too.

As many messages as I've read posted by our fellow comicbook fans expressive of their opinion that Reed Richards, Dr. Doom and Tony Stark are all far more intelligent than is T'Challa, you'd better know that if the Panther's Wakanda has a cure for cancer, Reed Richard should have had it long before Wakandans discovered the cure.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[worstblogever]

mighty mighty, please indulge me just this one final time.

on topic, As far as a possible weapon to focus Storm's energies is concerned, Wakandan War Spear > harpoon.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

You're right about one thing. This last part was the only thing that was on topic.

As far as Wakandan War Spears being better at focusing energy that Harpoon's harpoon? Doubtful. Harpoon's whole power is designed around charging objects full of energy. That thing has been engineered by Essex just for that purpose. No Wakandan War spear has been engineered yet to do it. Maybe if you give T'Challa a couple months, sure. But by your claims, he should make Storm a pair of pants first, and the King of Wakanda has his priorities.

[Pach!]

You're right about one thing. This last part was the only thing that was on topic.

As far as Wakandan War Spears being better at focusing energy that Harpoon's harpoon? Doubtful. Harpoon's whole power is designed around charging objects full of energy. That thing has been engineered by Essex just for that purpose. No Wakandan War spear has been engineered yet to do it. Maybe if you give T'Challa a couple months, sure. But by your claims, he should make Storm a pair of pants first, and the King of Wakanda has his priorities.

Plus there is the fact that Storm probably would not want to carry around a huge spear when she can just zap anyone as it is.

[worstblogever]

Plus there is the fact that Storm probably would not want to carry around a huge spear when she can just zap anyone as it is.

And then there's that.

[Jackob]

You're right about one thing. This last part was the only thing that was on topic.

As far as Wakandan War Spears being better at focusing energy that Harpoon's harpoon? Doubtful. Harpoon's whole power is designed around charging objects full of energy. That thing has been engineered by Essex just for that purpose. No Wakandan War spear has been engineered yet to do it. Maybe if you give T'Challa a couple months, sure. But by your claims, he should make Storm a pair of pants first, and the King of Wakanda has his priorities.

doesnt vibranium absorbe energy? that would make it not work for her, but it is badass to steal your foes weapon and use it on them. like cage did to the wrecker

[worstblogever]

doesnt vibranium absorbe energy? that would make it not work for her, but it is badass to steal your foes weapon and use it on them. like cage did to the wrecker

Vibranium does, yeah. Rechannelling the lightning out would be the problem.

[Pro]

The fault lies with the x-writers.

Nah the fault lies with Reggie Hudlin who pushed for Storm to be in his book simply because her skincolor matched that of T'challa so now writers have to ignore an african despot who can cure cancer, has two golden frogs that teleport him through space and time and has an entire army at his disposal yet doesn't help out his wife rescue her own species.

Reggie Hudlin is a hack writer and his salesfigures clearly underline this. The only reason why the book even remains afloat is because of guest appearances.

[worstblogever]

Way back earlier in this thread, I didn't go into the details of why I thought it would be a bad idea, but that there were reasons that Marvel would have to worry about. I didn't want to go there, but I gotta.

Back in the day, WWF wrestling decided they wanted to have a wrestler that was a guy who would portray a proud African warrior named Saba Simba, and he would come to the ring with a big war spear, and Zulu shield as his ring garb. Immediately, calls and complaints from the NAACP poured in about the character, calling for his immediate ban from the wrestling program. Why?

Several said that seeing an African portrayed stereotypically as a jungle warrior with a spear and war paint was racist by the WWF.

Storm's one of the most marketable African characters in comics, if not the most marketable. If suddenly, she's shown to embrace her newfound role as an African queen by wielding a spear? Well, hate to say it, but Marvel's PR department is going to have to work overtime on damage control.

Oh yeah, that and the fact that she can throw lightning up your hoo-hah means it's pretty irrelevant anyway.

[Novaya Havoc]

I chose "Bang it", because I'm immature and I thought it was funny.

LOL!

I don't know what bang it or slang it MEANS. I need the options to say "Fabulous" or "Phoebe Price." Those are options that speak to me.

[pryde15]

LOL!

I don't know what bang it or slang it MEANS. I need the options to say "Fabulous" or "Phoebe Price." Those are options that speak to me.

I didn't know what it meant either lol. I didn't chose, I thought slang it meant to throw it, but then I was stumped at bang it, since it is just awkward for Storm to "bang" the harpoon. BTW your avatar is awesome, I like that is changes colors :D

[Kevin D.]

I liked the spear. It looked cool.

[Daouda]

I saw the scan LordAllMighty posted. Nice art.

The picture may look good but I think generally Storm with a weapon looks silly.

Storm doesn't need a spear.

Storm shouldn't have a spear.

As for other issues:

I didn't regularly read the X-men during the "forge" era having been turned off when Ororo got a mohawk. I liked certain scenes with Storm before the mohawk, but after...Well I've always been more of an FF fan.

I didn't like Priest's writing in general either.

She didn't seem like a whole person to me until her appearance in the latest Black Panther series. Love her now.:)

Read the Messiah Complex One Shot and the art sucked. Storywise, maybe it'll make sense when it is completed but I must say Marvel's "big" crossovers have not left me too satisfied.

I'm not buying the series.

What up BlueD, Sin!


Excelsior!

Daoud

[Gene M.]

What's the difference between "banging it" and "slanging it?" I'm not sure what to vote for. :confused:

[bluedmighty]

Way back earlier in this thread, I didn't go into the details of why I thought it would be a bad idea, but that there were reasons that Marvel would have to worry about. I didn't want to go there, but I gotta.

Back in the day, WWF wrestling decided they wanted to have a wrestler that was a guy who would portray a proud African warrior named Saba Simba, and he would come to the ring with a big war spear, and Zulu shield as his ring garb. Immediately, calls and complaints from the NAACP poured in about the character, calling for his immediate ban from the wrestling program. Why?

Several said that seeing an African portrayed stereotypically as a jungle warrior with a spear and war paint was racist by the WWF.

Storm's one of the most marketable African characters in comics, if not the most marketable. If suddenly, she's shown to embrace her newfound role as an African queen by wielding a spear? Well, hate to say it, but Marvel's PR department is going to have to work overtime on damage control.

Oh yeah, that and the fact that she can throw lightning up your hoo-hah means it's pretty irrelevant anyway.

I REMEMBER SABA SIMBA. :D
Thre great Khamla, Superfly Jimmy, and Ahmed Jonhson are also some of my "Where are they now" WWF'ers.

But,

The spear and it's use have been a "misunderstood" by alot of people (that's another topic).

But, I will go so far as to say, that we are starting to challenge, correct, and change much of what we THOUGHT Africa meant to us as African Americans.

This is an article I found on line describing the importance of the Spear to one culture in Africa:



African spear: The use of African spears for militaristic purpose has been evident for centuries. That usage though, only scratches the surface of its total tribal-social significance. In the culture of the Maasai, tribe of the legendary warriors, the spear is used offensively and defensively; to serve and to protect. It is a tremendous source of tribal pride and persoanl prestige. Crafted in a wide variety of forms it functions in political, religious, ritual and ceremonial activities that are important to the entire village. The physical appearance of a Maasai spear can indicate the age-graded status of male youth (a series of complex initiations of which there are many levels to master) and the position of junior and trial elders who politically govern and defend the village. Each grade completed garners the graduate increased tribal respect and responsibility. Like the religio-magical fetishes of the Congo, Maasai spears are not complete without supernatural empowerment. Magical spells are cast, they are embellished with charms, symbolic design and have magical substances applied, all during special ritual ceremony with much pomp and circumstance. The Maasai ceremonial spears are used and carried by village elders during numerous tribal affairs. The spear head is shortened and heart-shaped and dressed in a leather thong for ceremony sake. The weapon is a three piece configuration of wood and metal. The spear head and the metal end of the butt are attached by hardened wax and socketing to the opposite ends of the third section, the wooden grip. The spear offered here is indicative of those used ceremonially today. The entire piece was hand crafted in Africa. This long selection is well balanced and exhibits expert metal working techniques.

[bluedmighty]

Personally if she dropped the Harpoon and got a Wakandan War Spear that's built to channel her energies through I'd still think its cool either way. She looks badass with it. The spear would need to have a nice design and a bigger more curved blade IMO. I'm not sure what the colour of the blade should be, I really like the design and colour of the blade of Buffy's Scythe from the BtVS. The spear would also need to be practical meaning it should be able to be used in conjunction with her powers.


This is what, I hope, is the case. It would be a nice way to show the King and Wakanda's support of the Queen. This is so people that would prefer the Panther not show up in the series can be accomidated, while at the same time acknowleging her status as the Queen of a foriegn nation.

To the delight of, well.......

Me :D

[Fatguy]

What's the difference between "banging it" and "slanging it?" I'm not sure what to vote for. :confused:

You're OBVIOUSLY not a real Storm fan, then.

[bluedmighty]

I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

I'm certain that the Wakandan techs could fashion a war spear for Storm which would be structurally sound, effective and relevant to the nature of her powers. I'm sure it would also look even more impressive than that harpoon thing people are talking about.



EXACTLY.

This was my "default" position once I saw her weild the Spear.

[Gene M.]

I think the image of Storm with a spear makes for a very strong visual, which is incredibly important in a medium so dependent on the visual. It could definitely bring a regal touch to the character. Also, the connection that could be made between the visual and her ancestry would make for a nice addition to the character's overall design. I like the idea of the spear. I'm still not sure whether that means I want to "bang it" or "slang it," though.

[bluedmighty]

As far as Wakandan War Spears being better at focusing energy that Harpoon's harpoon? Doubtful. Harpoon's whole power is designed around charging objects full of energy. That thing has been engineered by Essex just for that purpose. No Wakandan War spear has been engineered yet to do it. Maybe if you give T'Challa a couple months, sure. But by your claims, he should make Storm a pair of pants first, and the King of Wakanda has his priorities.


I might be wrong, but I thought Harpoon could charge any meatal object with electricty or concussive force, and his weapon of choice was a harpoon.

That being said, Wakanda has been working with Vibranium for years. They've got a lot of money, and could also possibly have weapons grade Antarctic Vibranium somewhere. Thier technology was enough to make Reed rub his chin, so I wouldn't put it past them to combine elements to make a War spear specifically for Storm.

[bluedmighty]

What's the difference between "banging it" and "slanging it?" I'm not sure what to vote for. :confused:


It's a Radio term used to describe new music.

"Pump it" or "dump it"

"Rock it" or "drop it"

"Play it" or "slay it"

in other words,

Keep it or leave it


Daouda

What it is

:D

[Gene M.]

It's a Radio term used to describe new music.

"Pump it" or "dump it"

"Rock it" or "drop it"

"Play it" or "slay it"

in other words,

Keep it or leave it



:D
Thank you, sir. I say "bang it," then. :D

Wow. If there's a Corrie for "whitest post ever," I probably just won it.

[bluedmighty]

I think the image of Storm with a spear makes for a very strong visual, which is incredibly important in a medium so dependent on the visual. It could definitely bring a regal touch to the character. Also, the connection that could be made between the visual and her ancestry would make for a nice addition to the character's overall design. I like the idea of the spear. I'm still not sure whether that means I want to "bang it" or "slang it," though.

I think so too.


Welcome to the "Bang it" crowd

:D

[Jackob]

i know storm doent need a weapon because she is a weapon, but to see her mix up the lightning barage with a little hand to hand asskickery is always nice.

[LordAllMighty]

It never hurts to take another look.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3345/205scan6iz0tv6.jpg

[Brian M.]

I just don't see how the spear helps...she's an experienced hand to hand fighter anyway...and her powers are among the strongest around...what's a spear gonna do?

[DaeJi]

I just don't see how the spear helps...she's an experienced hand to hand fighter anyway...and her powers are among the strongest around...what's a spear gonna do?

It makes her look cool.

[Harlock]

I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

I'm certain that the Wakandan techs could fashion a war spear for Storm which would be structurally sound, effective and relevant to the nature of her powers. I'm sure it would also look even more impressive than that harpoon thing people are talking about.

I respectfully disagree.

While the scientists/techs in Wakanda could undoubtedly fashion a spear that accentuated or perhaps even amplified the powers of Ororo, I feel it is simply unnessecary and perhaps, in a way, insulting.

Ororo Munroe needs no assistance to be a supremely powerful woman in her own right. Giving her some permanent fetish for visual appeal is simply unnecessary and insulting, given how powerful she is.

[DaeJi]

I respectfully disagree.

While the scientists/techs in Wakanda could undoubtedly fashion a spear that accentuated or perhaps even amplified the powers of Ororo, I feel it is simply unnessecary and perhaps, in a way, insulting.

Ororo Munroe needs no assistance to be a supremely powerful woman in her own right. Giving her some permanent fetish for visual appeal is simply unnecessary and insulting, given how powerful she is.

Not to mention where the Hell would she keep it. She's not really known for a practical wardrobe and carrying around a spear all the time would tire her out a bit; spears aren't light and she only has normal strength levels.

[Harlock]

Not to mention where the Hell would she keep it. She's actually known for a practical wardrobe and carrying around a spear all the time would tire her out a bit; spears aren't light and she only has normal strength levels.

To be fair... In history, most front line soldiers were spear carriers. Spears can be used to slash, thrust, block, parry, etc. While spears are not light, they do not require the use of a shield, which even a short sword would. Also, they were cheap in that you only had to pay for a metal head vs. a metal sword which was, even at their shortest, longer.

History bears me out here. Spears were your disposable heroes. A spear and wooden shaft was not as heavy as a medium length sword, which was all bronze or iron. Spears are actually supremely effective if you know your limitations and how to effectively use your weapon of choice (or circumstance).

[Shade101]

Well I agree with a lot of what everyone has to say. I can actually sympathize with you all. Because in a way Storm really doesn't need a spear or any other melee weapon for that matter because it would be almost in a way useless. Seeing as though close quarters combat wouldn't prove very beneficial to her, because she doesn't have to be up close and personal. She has great range, and that's a big plus. But in a way the spear could be used as a tactic for her. For one, her enemies won't expect her to be in possession of a weapon. Let alone an energy channeling lightning spear. She would undoubtedly throw them off guard if she were to start whippin' out spears all of a sudden. But maybe a retractable spear would be pretty cool. Maybe a spear she can charge with electricity and hurl with hurricane force winds so that it would be able to puncture through metallic substances.

[Affinity]

As a recent Storm fan, I must say that Bachalo's the only one to make this current crotch-tastic costume look decent. She totally rocked it in X-Men #205 without having to DIG DIG DIG.

He draws her wonderfully!

[DaeJi]

To be fair... In history, most front line soldiers were spear carriers. Spears can be used to slash, thrust, block, parry, etc. While spears are not light, they do not require the use of a shield, which even a short sword would. Also, they were cheap in that you only had to pay for a metal head vs. a metal sword which was, even at their shortest, longer.

History bears me out here. Spears were your disposable heroes. A spear and wooden shaft was not as heavy as a medium length sword, which was all bronze or iron. Spears are actually supremely effective if you know your limitations and how to effectively use your weapon of choice (or circumstance).

All of which had nothing to do with my comment. I was asking where would she store it when she was in costume up not using it.

[pryde15]

As a recent Storm fan, I must say that Bachalo's the only one to make this current crotch-tastic costume look decent. She totally rocked it in X-Men #205 without having to DIG DIG DIG.

He draws her wonderfully!


I know I love Storm with bangs, the costume did look amazing also. Bachalo definetly is alot higher on my list of favorite artist :D

[Harlock]

All of which had nothing to do with my comment. I was asking where would she store it when she was in costume up not using it.

Which is simple. A Cloth cord can secure a spear. Sorry that was not self-explanatory. Not that she needed it since she grabbed the thing from Harpoon in the first place and subsequently, should she ever need a spear (which she does not) she could simply sling it with mundane cloth. I thought wearing a spear was relatively self-explanatory too.

[bluedmighty]

All of which had nothing to do with my comment. I was asking where would she store it when she was in costume up not using it.

To be honest, she could cary it on her back "sword" style.

She could keep it nearby for emergencies (in the Black Bird, over her throne, in a locker, etc.).

Teh y could also disect the "space" frog, and discover a way to store things in pocket dimensions.

Why not?

Also, I just realised that they draw Strom with tights on in BP and draw her in a Bathing Suit for MC.

Also,

With her ability to change the unstable molecules of her outfit into whatever she wants, couldn't the Wakandan Scientests make a spear out of unstable molecules?

[Harlock]

To be honest, she could cary it on her back "sword" style.

She could keep it nearby for emergencies (in the Black Bird, over her throne, in a locker, etc.).

Teh y could also disect the "space" frog, and discover a way to store things in pocket dimensions.

Why not?

Also, I just realised that they draw Strom with tights on in BP and draw her in a Bathing Suit for MC.

Also,

With her ability to change the unstable molecules of her outfit into whatever she wants, couldn't the Wakandan Scientests make a spear out of unstable molecules?

Why bother with making reasons for the "back pocket" rule? Sling it if she needs it. Which, she really does not. As I said first in this thread, Ororo Munroe does not need a weapon, she is a weapon. The spear is stupid, given what she is and what she can do.

[bluedmighty]

Maybe a spear she can charge with electricity and hurl with hurricane force winds so that it would be able to puncture through metallic substances.

This is also along the lines of what I was thinking, and the image of her pinning Emma to a wall and threatening her with a Steal rod leaps to mind.

A great way for her to increase her range and effectivness would be to Hurl a lightning spear with Gale Force.

How cool would that set up look if drawn right? :D

[Shade101]

As a recent Storm fan, I must say that Bachalo's the only one to make this current crotch-tastic costume look decent. She totally rocked it in X-Men #205 without having to DIG DIG DIG.

He draws her wonderfully!

:eek: Ahahahahahaha! That's is way too funny! Lol Crotch-tastic! I know what you mean though! LaRocca does seem to draw bikini style bottoms with vajayjay's hangin' out! And I did like the costume Bachalo drew from the scans I've seen. It's almost as if it's a different take on the one she currently wears. It almost looked as if the top half was styled after a corset or something.

And Pryde I also like Storm with bangs. Makes her look younger or something. Plus it brings out her face a little more I think.

[Shade101]

This is also along the lines of what I was thinking, and the image of her pinning Emma to a wall and threatening her with a Steal rod leaps to mind.

A great way for her to increase her range and effectivness would be to Hurl a lightning spear with Gale Force.

How cool would that set up look if drawn right? :D

EXACTLY!:D

[mr2core]

I know I love Storm with bangs, the costume did look amazing also. Bachalo definetly is alot higher on my list of favorite artist :D

Yesss, the bangs are a nice addition to her "look". This thread should be totally about the bangs intead of the spear:D

[Affinity]

I think it was great that Storm used Harpoon's, uh, harpoon. To me, that's just smart, innovative writing.

For them to permanently adapt it for her to use would just be contrived. Big hair +5, permanent harpoon -5.

Edit: And yes, Bachalo rocks them bangs as well. Storm's face was a lot clearer and more memorable than I seem to remember in the past few weeks!

Gorgeous Brian Reber coloring as well.

[Shade101]

As a matter of fact, I like how he drew my avatar!

[bluedmighty]

Why bother with making reasons for the "back pocket" rule? Sling it if she needs it. Which, she really does not. As I said first in this thread, Ororo Munroe does not need a weapon, she is a weapon. The spear is stupid, given what she is and what she can do.

I threw the "Back poket" thing in there for measure.

I agree with you for the most part, but I have to disagree with the Spear being stupid in the context of happening.

If I were going into a situation like that I would want all the edge I could get. A weapon that enhances my other abilities and skills could only help.

Also I would say that:

While Storm is an excellent hand to hand fighter, and has an AWESOME power set, currently she is illequiped for close quarters combat.

A spear that augments her abilities and can also be used for deffense would be, IMO, an intellegent addition to her characters costume and design.

[Harlock]

This is also along the lines of what I was thinking, and the image of her pinning Emma to a wall and threatening her with a Steal rod leaps to mind.

A great way for her to increase her range and effectivness would be to Hurl a lightning spear with Gale Force.

How cool would that set up look if drawn right? :D

Dumb. Psi will always dominate raw power. Emma can simply revert Ororo into a huddling mass of insecurity from range. What can Storm do? Even with a lame ass spear? That's right. Nothing.

Not that I agree with how powerful Psi is in the Marvel universe (I mean Geeze, Emma can touch minds all over earth and even into other worlds [lame!]!)!

If you want to make Storm a spear that protects her from Psi-damage, please do. So far, that crutch is not there.

[bluedmighty]

Dumb. Psi will always dominate raw power. Emma can simply revert Ororo into a huddling mass of insecurity from range. What can Storm do? Even with a lame ass spear? That's right. Nothing.

Not that I agree with how powerful Psi is in the Marvel universe (I mean Geeze, Emma can touch minds all over earth and even into other worlds [lame!]!)!

If you want to make Storm a spear that protects her from Psi-damage, please do. So far, that crutch is not there.

When she pinned AE#mma to the wall Emma was in her diamond form (back when she could use one or the other).

Also, Storm has been shown to persevere through mental based attacks, and still gain the upper hand. EM feilds seem to disrupt Psi energy. Storm can generate one of these on her own, I just think the spear adds a lot to her visually and COULD even be made into a serious weapon.

Cable had a Psimatar?

[Harlock]

currently she is illequiped for close quarters combat.

I will blame that on lack of imagination. Storm is excellent at close quarters combat. She is a hand-to-hand specialist given the books as they are. And, who is to say her powers can only be limited to longer range?

Show me a close range, extreme power dust-devil! (So, I live in West Texas and have seen smaller tornadoes. Storm should be able to make them!) Show me a close range lightning bolt (only requires her precision, which she has shown she can do!) Show me Ororo picking up dust through wind and rain and then a hard wind storm that converts the raining mud (Dude, it rained mud in my hometown once, wind + Dust + rain clouds = raining freaking mud!) into a hard shell case for the enemy...

Ororo Munroe needs no weapon. Even for close quarters combat. She can make anyone look like a fool.

[Fatguy]

Edit: And yes, Bachalo rocks them bangs as well. Storm's face was a lot clearer and more memorable than I seem to remember in the past few weeks!

Yea, I liked Bachalo's Storm quite a bit. And he made the outfit less "cheeky" than Salvadore tended towards.

[sinjection]

What up BlueD, Sin!

Daoud! I'd say that the profile of this forum just went WAY up with the presence of one of your posts! It's always a pleasure to see from you :)


The picture may look good but I think generally Storm with a weapon looks silly.

Storm doesn't need a spear.

Storm shouldn't have a spear.

Agreed. A spear, harpoon, or weapon of any sort doesn't make sense where Ororo and the true nature of her powers are concerned. While an illustration of her wielding such an instrument may be impressive, it shouldn't follow that she should always be seen with one or ever need to use one in battle. She would be encumbered by it. Now, I could see Ororo with a ceremonial Wakandan War Spear that she would carry during Wakandan affairs of state. Wakanda is a warrior nation. Wakandans are a proud warrior people. Ceremonial Wakandan War Spears would be more appropriate than sceptres where the Wakandan Royals are concerned.


As for other issues:

I didn't regularly read the X-men during the "forge" era having been turned off when Ororo got a mohawk. I liked certain scenes with Storm before the mohawk, but after...Well I've always been more of an FF fan.

I was turned off by Storm's "mohawk" hairstyle and "biker chick" look myself. Talk about depicting Storm out of character. If ever Storm was written in a way that totally misrepresented her true nature, that was the time it happened. Supporters of the look and Ororo's mental state during that period would hail it as a time of personal growth for Ororo. I see it as a sign of great distress and a manifestation of her feelings of disquiet due to her sense of disconnection from the Earth and from Mother Africa. The x-men were driving her crazy. Fortunately for Ororo, she now has the best alternative imaginable to the x-men. It's known as Wakanda and her MARRIAGE to her perfect mate.

I didn't like Priest's writing in general either.

While I'd give Priest credit for being a talented writer, I can't say that I always appreciated the way he's written characters I've been interested in. That said, I'd say if I had the choice of reading a story written by Brubaker, Yost, Claremont or Priest, I'd be reading the Priest-written story. No question about it.

She didn't seem like a whole person to me until her appearance in the latest Black Panther series. Love her now.:)

I'll definitely co sign! I can't wait for Storm and the Black Panther to return to Wakanda and begin their adventures there and on the African continent.

Read the Messiah Complex One Shot and the art sucked. Storywise, maybe it'll make sense when it is completed but I must say Marvel's "big" crossovers have not left me too satisfied.

I'm not buying the series.

I'm not buying the mc series or ANYTHING related to the x-franchise these days. I'm probably missing some good Larocca artwork but it's worth the sacrifice. One thing that would have definitely turned me off is the way the x-writers insist on depicting Storm. In the BLACK PANTHER series, Storm is respected and as my sig says, "EXALTED". She is always written and illustrated in a manner that respects her regal elegance and power. The x-writer wants to have her as the scantily-clad sex pot. Almost everything about the x-franchise disgusts me these days.

A Daoud post in the x-men forum! You have made my day!

Excelsior!

Daoud

A true sign of excellence to be sure.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[bluedmighty]

I will blame that on lack of imagination. Storm is excellent at close quarters combat. She is a hand-to-hand specialist given the books as they are. And, who is to say her powers can only be limited to longer range?

Show me a close range, extreme power dust-devil! (So, I live in West Texas and have seen smaller tornadoes. Storm should be able to make them!) Show me a close range lightning bolt (only requires her precision, which she has shown she can do!) Show me Ororo picking up dust through wind and rain and then a hard wind storm that converts the raining mud (Dude, it rained mud in my hometown once, wind + Dust + rain clouds = raining freaking mud!) into a hard shell case for the enemy...

Ororo Munroe needs no weapon. Even for close quarters combat. She can make anyone look like a fool.


I agree.

Imagination is another can of worms.

What ever happened to her Preasure Domes and Jovian Spheres?

with her powerset alot can be done, I just think the spear looks cool and could be written as something interesting.

[Harlock]

I agree.

Imagination is another can of worms.

What ever happened to her Preasure Domes and Jovian Spheres?

with her powerset alot can be done, I just think the spear looks cool and could be written as something interesting.

We agree on some parts. I think the spear is simply, completely unnecessary. In fact, I think handing her a weapon demeans her natural power.

[bluedmighty]

While I'd give Priest credit for being a talented writer, I can't say that I always appreciated the way he's written characters I've been interested in. That said, I'd say if I had the choice of reading a story written by Brubaker, Yost, Claremont or Priest, I'd be reading the Priest-written story. No question about it.

Yeeeaaaaahhhh,

I Ross made my eyebrow jump at first.



I'll definitely co sign! I can't wait for Storm and the Black Panther to return to Wakanda and begin their adventures there and on the African continent.




I'm not buying the mc series or ANYTHING related to the x-franchise these days. I'm probably missing some good Larocca artwork but it's worth the sacrifice. One thing that would have definitely turned me off is the way the x-writers insist on depicting Storm. In the BLACK PANTHER series, Storm is respected and as my sig says, "EXALTED". She is always written and illustrated in a manner that respects her regal elegance and power. The x-writer wants to have her as the scantily-clad sex pot. Almost everything about the x-franchise disgusts me these days.


yeeeeaaaahhhhh?

She sure IS wearing tights/pants in Black Panther.

[Harlock]

Storm needs no weapons. Storm is a weapon.

Yo Sin, I said that on page one, WAY before anyone else. Why credit him instead of me?

[bluedmighty]

We agree on some parts. I think the spear is simply, completely unnecessary. In fact, I think handing her a weapon demeans her natural power.


So then what would you think if it's revealed that she DID lift it from Harpoon?

[BabeBro]

I don't think she should have a spear at all. Why carry a senseless spear when you can call upon huge lightning bolts :D

[sinjection]

Yo Sin, I said that on page one, WAY before anyone else. Why credit him instead of me?

Beg pardon!

I'm trying to catch up :D ...reading posts in reverse. I did see your fine post and am meaning to respond to it.

mighty mighty pasted an interesting comment about the significance of the spear in African culture, how its ceremonial use has a place of honorable significance.

I agree with your position and note it :)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[DaeJi]

As a recent Storm fan, I must say that Bachalo's the only one to make this current crotch-tastic costume look decent. She totally rocked it in X-Men #205 without having to DIG DIG DIG.

He draws her wonderfully!

Good call, she is rocking the hot meter in Messiah CompleX. Too bad she doesn't dress that way around T'Challa :p.

[Shade101]

Ok, now I like both Emma and Storm, but Storm is more resistant to telepathy than you think Harlock. Emma has assaulted Storm with psionic attacks several times. And the majority of the attacks have proven to be unsuccessful. But Emma vs. Storm isn't the subject of this thread so let me move on to say that I still think that the spear can prove to be beneficial to her. Do I want her to weild a spear at all times...no. But maybe she can find some use for it. Now she is an extremely powerful character on her own, and doesn't need a spear at all. Like you said, if need be she can and will use her elemental powers to keep enemies at bay. I'm sort of at a 50/50 here. I kind of like the idea of her having the spear, but I kinda don't. I don't know. She should just use the spear that once, and then ditch it afterwards.

[sinjection]

I don't think she should have a spear at all. Why carry a senseless spear when you can call upon huge lightning bolts :D

Your avatar is indescribably beautiful! What a magnificent illustration.

I agree with your comments about Storm. Ororo's power doesn't make "like" a force of nature. Ororo IS the force of nature. Ororo isn't Hawkeye. She doesn't need to wield a weapon to get the job done.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[bluedmighty]

mighty mighty pasted an interesting comment about the significance of the spear in African culture, how its ceremonial use has a place of honorable significance.

I agree with your position and note it :)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X


Thank you. Sin.

Did anybody else read it?

[DaeJi]

Thank you. Sin.

Did anybody else read it?

Did it involve anything I'm interested in, like sandwiches?

[Shade101]

Did it involve anything I'm interested in, like sandwiches?


Lol, if it makes you feel any better I just had meatloaf with macaroni and cheese and green beans!

[DaeJi]

Lol, if it makes you feel any better I just had meatloaf with macaroni and cheese and green beans!

Put that between two slices of wheat bread and you have a fan! :D

[caney]

I thought the harpoon was a great visual during the fight. There was so much going on during the big mêlée that I'd love to see Carey's script to know how much of the fight scenes he actually scripts versus what he leaves for Bachalo to decide.

[lockerogue]

I don't get why alot people are making a big deal out of this. The spear was used for dramatic effect and it was used to as a lightenting rod to make her attack even more stronger than it already is.

[Fatguy]

Storm needs Thunder charged Nunchaku.

[bluedmighty]

Ok, now I like both Emma and Storm, but Storm is more resistant to telepathy than you think Harlock. Emma has assaulted Storm with psionic attacks several times. And the majority of the attacks have proven to be unsuccessful. But Emma vs. Storm isn't the subject of this thread so let me move on to say that I still think that the spear can prove to be beneficial to her. Do I want her to weild a spear at all times...no. But maybe she can find some use for it. Now she is an extremely powerful character on her own, and doesn't need a spear at all. Like you said, if need be she can and will use her elemental powers to keep enemies at bay. I'm sort of at a 50/50 here. I kind of like the idea of her having the spear, but I kinda don't. I don't know. She should just use the spear that once, and then ditch it afterwards.


To be clear, I don't think that she should carry it all the time either.

However, it would be a nice "go to" (when the big gunz can't doit, use a L.A.W. :D )

I would see it in the same light as a "Truth" lasso, bullet proof bracelets or a Psimatar.

[Harlock]

Hey, Harlock:

So what would you think of Storm as a character if it is revealed that she DID lift it from Harpoon?

There;s no need for a reveal. If you read the comic and look at the art you can see she took the spear. That was obvious to me on the first read. It meant nothing in the grand scheme. She disarmed an enemy. Simple as that. Yeah, she looked cool wielding a spear, but that should hardly define her character.

You ammended, let me. Angel does need something else. Hell, I am all for him going back to being Death, and I am on record as saying so. Read the recent poll.

[DaeJi]

Hey, Harlock:

So what would you think of Storm as a character if it is revealed that she DID lift it from Harpoon?

Didn't she? And if she keeps it, so what? Maybe she could use it to keep T'Challa off her while she's playing with Yuiko :p

[sinjection]

Yeeeaaaaahhhh,
I Ross made my eyebrow jump at first.

I'll definitely co sign! I can't wait for Storm and the Black Panther to return to Wakanda and begin their adventures there and on the African continent.

Same here. E. Ross was a major reason why I simply had to jump ship and abandon Priest's Black Panther. I never believed there would come a time I'd ever not buy an issue of the Black Panther.

I have to take that back. Jack Kirby's Black Panther almost made me want to turn myself inside out. It was just that awful. I have to think Hudlin is using the "Golden Frogs" stories to develop the type of stories he intends to tell when the Wakandan Royals return to their homeland. I expect big things from the Panther publication. If Ross pops up again, I hope he gets possessed by the Cannibal and is done away with :D

yeeeeaaaahhhhh?

She sure IS wearing tights/pants in Black Panther.

That she is, mighty mighty. That she is. Of course you can't fault a sista's pants from hittin' her where those "red beans and rice ain't been missin' her".

Storm is drawn in an appealing way. She is a young and sexy female. She should be depicted as such. The x-writers and x-illustrators have a way of going overboard where Storm's sensuality is concerned. It reminds me of comments I read by posters who became disgusted by the way Chaykin drew Hawkgirl and how Ed Benes (one of my favorites), illustrates his female characters....pants in their crotches and buttocks hanging out.

There's sexy and then, there's tasteless.

In my always humble opinion, the entire x-franchise has become tasteless.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Shade101]

Didn't she? And if she keeps it, so what? Maybe she could use it to keep T'Challa off her while she's playing with Yuiko :p


...oh...so lemme guess. You're one of those people that thinks Storm is bisexual huh? Well I had a debate on a couple other boards about that issue, and I don't really wanna get into that again, lol. But anyways, Storm and Yukio are just friends. Affectionate friends, but friends nonetheless, lol.

[Brian M.]

...oh...so lemme guess. You're one of those people that thinks Storm is bisexual huh? Well I had a debate on a couple other boards about that issue, and I don't really wanna get into that again, lol. But anyways, Storm and Yukio are just friends. Affectionate friends, but friends nonetheless, lol.

Lemme guess, your one of those people that thinks Storm isn't biseuxal huh? Well we read the issues. She's like both the clam trap and Vienna sausage.

[DaeJi]

...oh...so lemme guess. You're one of those people that thinks Storm is bisexual huh? Well I had a debate on a couple other boards about that issue, and I don't really wanna get into that again, lol. But anyways, Storm and Yukio are just friends. Affectionate friends, but friends nonetheless, lol.

I did say "playing", didn't I? It's not I said "sexing." "Playing" could be any number of things, now couldn't? The fact that you jumped right to that makes me wonder about YOU...

[bluedmighty]

Angel does need something else. Hell, I am all for him going back to being Death, and I am on record as saying so. Read the recent poll.


Here, Here!!!!!!

Who ever heard of a willfull down grade?

Bring back DEATH

OK

Back on topic :)

[Shade101]

So, it's a double standard, when you choose the time at which you can decide its offensive?

Well just look at it like this Daeji and Brian M. Of all the characters in Marvel that has been outed as homosexual or bisexual, wouldn't you think Storm would've been too if she were?

[sinjection]

Well just look at it like this Daeji and Brian M. Of all the characters in Marvel that has been outed as homosexual or bisexual, wouldn't you think Storm would've been too if she were?

Yikes. You HAD to go THERE.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[worstblogever]

Well just look at it like this Daeji and Brian M. Of all the characters in Marvel that has been outed as homosexual or bisexual, wouldn't you think Storm would've been too if she were?

Not necessarily. They still want Storm marketed to children on animated cartoons on TV, so they wouldn't champion her as such, to not offend the conservative demographics. When Northstar guest starred on X-Men TAS, you didn't see him saying he liked dudes. Readers of the comic that know their stuff though, they know.

[Shade101]

Not necessarily. They still want Storm marketed to children on animated cartoons on TV, so they wouldn't champion her as such, to not offend the conservative demographics. When Northstar guest starred on X-Men TAS, you didn't see him saying he liked dudes. Readers of the comic that know their stuff though, they know.


I know the comics series too. And believe me, basically every female in the X-Men series has been rumored to be so. Storm and Yukio, like I've said, are just affectionate friends. I'm not denying that I didn't get a certain "vibe" about their relationship either, but seriously. By now, after 20 plus years, they would've outted her by now.

[Daouda]

...

The spear and it's use have been a "misunderstood" by alot of people (that's another topic).

But, I will go so far as to say, that we are starting to challenge, correct, and change much of what we THOUGHT Africa meant to us as African Americans.

This is an article I found on line describing the importance of the Spear to one culture in Africa:


African spear: The use of African spears for militaristic purpose has been evident for centuries. That usage though, only scratches the surface of its total tribal-social significance. In the culture of the Maasai, tribe of the legendary warriors, the spear is used offensively and defensively; to serve and to protect. It is a tremendous source of tribal pride and persoanl prestige. Crafted in a wide variety of forms it functions in political, religious, ritual and ceremonial activities that are important to the entire village. The physical appearance of a Maasai spear can indicate the age-graded status of male youth (a series of complex initiations of which there are many levels to master) and the position of junior and trial elders who politically govern and defend the village. Each grade completed garners the graduate increased tribal respect and responsibility. Like the religio-magical fetishes of the Congo, Maasai spears are not complete without supernatural empowerment. Magical spells are cast, they are embellished with charms, symbolic design and have magical substances applied, all during special ritual ceremony with much pomp and circumstance. The Maasai ceremonial spears are used and carried by village elders during numerous tribal affairs. The spear head is shortened and heart-shaped and dressed in a leather thong for ceremony sake. The weapon is a three piece configuration of wood and metal. The spear head and the metal end of the butt are attached by hardened wax and socketing to the opposite ends of the third section, the wooden grip. The spear offered here is indicative of those used ceremonially today. The entire piece was hand crafted in Africa. This long selection is well balanced and exhibits expert metal working techniques.

Good article BlueD.:)

I like that it stesses the cultural status of the spear as opposed to its mere utilitarian purpose as a weapon. It's an excellent and important observation.

I still don't think Storm should wield a spear.

Her power is awesome enough as it is but, more importantly, her social strentgh comes from the ability to bring rain and life much more than the ability to bring lightening death.

She was and, has been shown, still is is worshipped as a goddess by people who love her for her life giving acts and not out of fear of destruction.

She is a warrior but not a war goddess and arming her like Wonder Woman would be a diservice to the best parts of her character.

I wouldn't mind a Wakandan totem of some sort to indicate her royal and politcal status that maybe could ave some other purpose however.:)


Excelsior!

Daoud

[Brian M.]

Well just look at it like this Daeji and Brian M. Of all the characters in Marvel that has been outed as homosexual or bisexual, wouldn't you think Storm would've been too if she were?

I think she choose, but I think there is still that side of her that experienced something w/ Yukio that is a little like what she has w/ King T'Challa.

[DaeJi]

Having Storm with a spear makes me think Iceman needs a morningstar, Surge needs a battleaxe, and Cyclops needs a big spiked gauntlet, just to keep things equal.

And why not give all of the X-Men pointless battle weapons? :p

[Shade101]

I think she choose, but I think there is still that side of her that experienced something w/ Yukio that is a little like what she has w/ King T'Challa.

...Ok, have it your way, lol. I still think differently, and there has been some really great arguments that I've heard that are in favor of my views. But it's evident that Chris Claremont had a thing for "bi" girls, and/or lesbians. That's why nearly every X-Woman has been accused of being either bi, or lesbian.

[pryde15]

...Ok, have it your way, lol. I still think differently, and there has been some really great arguments that I've heard that are in favor of my views. But it's evident that Chris Claremont had a thing for "bi" girls, and/or lesbians. That's why nearly every X-Woman has been accused of being either bi, or lesbian.

That is true, I never really even thought about that! Btw are you shade from the marvel boards?

[Brian M.]

...Ok, have it your way, lol. I still think differently, and there has been some really great arguments that I've heard that are in favor of my views. But it's evident that Chris Claremont had a thing for "bi" girls, and/or lesbians. That's why nearly every X-Woman has been accused of being either bi, or lesbian.

And it's becuase of Claremont and the amount of time he wrote Storm that you can't simply ignore that part of her life. I think one of the only women he didn't make "bi" was Jean Grey and under his pen she was always looking at Scott but thinking about Logan. Any kind of romantic relations under Claremont are a completely different discussion...troubling one too.

[Shade101]

That is true, I never really even thought about that! Btw are you shade from the marvel boards?


Why yes I am, lol. Who might you be?

[pryde15]

Why yes I am, lol. Who might you be?


its cpsm1092, I thought it was you lol, I remember you from that Storm vs. Magneto thread, you were one of the posters that wasn't crazy!

[sinjection]

Good article BlueD.:)
I wouldn't mind a Wakandan totem of some sort to indicate her royal and politcal status that maybe could ave some other purpose however.:)


Excelsior!

Daoud

There you go.

Seeing a well-rendered illustration of T'Challa and Ororo, clad in their Wakandan Royal raiments and wielding ceremonial Wakandan War Spears while receiving guests on an official business trip to their nation would be very impressive. T'Challa and Ororo look great together in any case. But seeing them as I describe them above would be a powerful African image.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[worstblogever]

And why not give all of the X-Men pointless battle weapons? :p

Because saying Storm's the only one that needs a weapon would be racist, naturally. ;)

[DaeJi]

All this talk that came out of Storm picking up Harpoon's spear... it's not even a spear, it's a harpoon. She looks hot though.

[Harlock]

"shine"

I've never heard that one?! Is that a Northern thing? I am in Texas and I thought I had heard them all. Just curious.

[Shade101]

Because saying Storm's the only one that needs a weapon would be racist, naturally. ;)

While I don't mean to be rude, I can't really say I appreciate your "lightheartedness" and joking manner towards racism. It's a serious thing that even goes on in today's society. I guess it's maybe because I'm black and I have to deal with racism on a daily basis, but I really would like to move on from this topic.

[Harlock]

All this talk that came out of Storm picking up Harpoon's spear... it's not even a spear, it's a harpoon. She looks hot though.

It is an awesome visual, I agree. Just not a necessary one, in my opinion. Heck, I'd love to see Sam Guthrie grab a katana and then just hypersonic his booty through tons of enemies, disemboweling them by the score. Of course, then, he'd be all villain-like.

[Shade101]

its cpsm1092, I thought it was you lol, I remember you from that Storm vs. Magneto thread, you were one of the posters that wasn't crazy!


Lol, well hola amiga, or amigo. I don't know which one, sorry! Lol. But yeah, I'm not crazy...not all the time.:D

[Jackob]

There you go.

Seeing a well-rendered illustration of T'Challa and Ororo, clad in their Wakandan Royal raiments and wielding ceremonial Wakandan War Spears while receiving guests on an official business trip to their nation would be very impressive. T'Challa and Ororo look great together in any case. But seeing them as I describe them above would be a powerful African image.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

dont you think that would be rude to great heads of state with weapons in hand?

[Daouda]

Daoud! I'd say that the profile of this forum just went WAY up with the presence of one of your posts! It's always a pleasure to see from you :)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Thanks man.
I don't normally post on this forum but this was a good topic by Bluedmighty about Ororo that I wanted to address.


What I do is render my honest opinions on matters of concern and interest to me. Nothing more.
____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Throw in more more spear chucker jokes and you'll be alright.

I have seen much unreasoned vitriol aimed toward you Sin and am inspired by equanimity.

I might have to start notifying the mods on this board myself.


Excelsior!

Daoud

[Shade101]

I've never heard that one?! Is that a Northern thing? I am in Texas and I thought I had heard them all. Just curious.


I haven't heard that one either. But did you know that Marvel has even made a morlock character named Tar-Baby.

[worstblogever]

While I don't mean to be rude, I can't really say I appreciate your "lightheartedness" and joking manner towards racism. It's a serious thing that even goes on in today's society. I guess it's maybe because I'm black and I have to deal with racism on a daily basis, but I really would like to move on from this topic.

The point is, if you give Storm a spear, it can be contrived as racist because of the past connotation. If you give Storm a spear, it could be contrived as racist because she needs in, in spite of her massive array of powers, a weapon to make her stronger when a white guy with wings doesn't need a weapon, despite his limited ones.

It could be contrived that it's racist that she doesn't have a spear, because white writers wouldn't go out of their way to give Storm a traditional mighty African weapon to try to make her seem more Anglocized. It could be contrived it's racist she doesn't have one because the imagery of a strong black woman would scare the white reader.

You can pick your poison on this one.

[sinjection]

dont you think that would be rude to great heads of state with weapons in hand?

Well of course not, Jackob. Why would such be the case? The weapons I am speaking of are ceremonial in nature. Yes, it's conceivable the weapons could be dangerous if intended to be so, but that's the point. The weapons aren't intended to be used in that fashion.

Besides which, T'Challa and Ororo would look magnificent as I have described them in previous posts, each wielding a ceremonial Wakandan War Spear. Namor has his ceremonial trident. He's been seen sitting his throne trident in hand. If Namor were to greet you to Atlantis with trident in hand, would you think it rude, Jackob?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Brian M.]

The point is, if you give Storm a spear, it can be contrived as racist because of the past connotation. If you give Storm a spear, it could be contrived as racist because she needs in, in spite of her massive array of powers, a weapon to make her stronger when a white guy with wings doesn't need a weapon, despite his limited ones.

It could be contrived that it's racist that she doesn't have a spear, because white writers wouldn't go out of their way to give Storm a traditional mighty African weapon to try to make her seem more Anglocized. It could be contrived it's racist she doesn't have one because the imagery of a strong black woman would scare the white reader.

You can pick your poison on this one.

Exactly. Bloggy Bloggy you inspire even the feeblest of minds.

[Jackob]

Throw in more more spear chucker jokes and you'll be alright.

I have seen much unreasoned vitriol aimed toward you Sin and am inspired by equanimity.

I might have to start notifying the mods on this board myself.


Excelsior!

Daoud

well to be fair she was holding a spear

[worstblogever]

Having said what I said in that post, I am now finished with that issue. As far as this thread is concerned, I am all about Storm, the manner in how she wields her ceremonial Wakandan War Spear.

#6. Is there anything else in this post that was about the topic and new?

[Brian M.]

well to be fair she was holding a spear

Actually it was a Harpoon she STOLE from Harpoon the Marauder. ;) Anything else that is taken from it...is looking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to deep into it.

[Joe Acro]

well to be fair she was holding a spear
And this has lead to several pages of posts?

It's Storm. With a harpoon. In a really fancy image.

Yay, Clue.

[pryde15]

Lol, well hola amiga, or amigo. I don't know which one, sorry! Lol. But yeah, I'm not crazy...not all the time.:D

amigo, I get this question since I switch between men & female avatars often :(

Don't worry, Marvel hates black people so it'll be dead soon.

I'm pretty sure he is already dead.

[Shade101]

The point is, if you give Storm a spear, it can be contrived as racist because of the past connotation. If you give Storm a spear, it could be contrived as racist because she needs in, in spite of her massive array of powers, a weapon to make her stronger when a white guy with wings doesn't need a weapon, despite his limited ones.

It could be contrived that it's racist that she doesn't have a spear, because white writers wouldn't go out of their way to give Storm a traditional mighty African weapon to try to make her seem more Anglocized. It could be contrived it's racist she doesn't have one because the imagery of a strong black woman would scare the white reader.

You can pick your poison on this one.

I don't have a problem with her carrying a spear at all. I would be just as comfortable with her carrying a spear if she were carrying a sniper rifle. Or throwing knives. Or even sai. In my opinion, it wasn't racist to give her a spear. A spear is a spear. Nothing more and nothing less.

[worstblogever]

Actually it was a Harpoon she STOLE from Harpoon the Marauder. ;) Anything else that is taken from it...is looking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to deep into it.

Storm's just getting set up for who new nemesis that Hudlin wants to write. Storm vs... the great WHITE WHALE, MOBY DICK!

Oh. Why did it have to be a white whale?

[Jackob]

Well of course not, Jackob. Why would such be the case? The weapons I am speaking of are ceremonial in nature. Yes, it's conceivable the weapons could be dangerous if intended to be so, but that's the point. The weapons aren't intended to be used in that fashion.

Besides which, T'Challa and Ororo would look magnificent as I have described them in previous posts, each wielding a ceremonial Wakandan War Spear. Namor has his ceremonial trident. He's been seen sitting his throne trident in hand. If Namor were to greet you to Atlantis with trident in hand, would you think it rude, Jackob?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X
well seeing as namor is a scary already i would be scared a little bit and think it rude.
i just think that when you are talking to diplomats you shoulndt be armed, i do think that is rude.
if it is a ceremony then it is ok but for visitors creepy. and it would be tacky if they both had one.
it is not like a cerimonyal sword hanging on your hip, they would be activley holding wepons.

[pryde15]

could anyone explain the difference between slang it and bang it? my idea of what they meant really did not make sense.

[Slung]

Welcome Shade! Sorry you had to come into the middle of one of our "debates". There are a few of us that can be a bit argumentative and take it a little too far sometimes. And of course a little baiting here and there. Some people are just really passionate about things (or like to make fun of others' reactions on other boards). Usually, we just have a good time though. Hope you survive the experience! :) Oh, and I'm a dude!

[Faded]

could anyone explain the difference between slang it and bang it? my idea of what they meant really did not make sense.

Whatever it is, it sounds perverse and sinful.
(JK bluedmighty!)

[Brian M.]

could anyone explain the difference between slang it and bang it? my idea of what they meant really did not make sense.

I'm white...therefore whatever I say is gonna be partially wrong but I'm assuming bang it is yes and slang it is no.

[Jackob]

could anyone explain the difference between slang it and bang it? my idea of what they meant really did not make sense.

i think bang means keep
and slang means get rid of it

[Brian M.]

Whatever it is, it sounds perverse and sinful.

You wanna find out w/ me?

[pryde15]

i think bang means keep
and slang means get rid of it

oh ok, that makes alot more sense.

[pryde15]

Whatever it is, it sounds perverse and sinful.

yeah thats what I thought also :o

[RoguishGurl]

So back to Storm's spear. It makes her look awesome on panel! But she might not really need it since she can control the weather!

[Jackob]

So back to Storm's spear. It makes her look awesome on panel! But she might not really need it sense she can control the weather!

well it is like one of those things where it is ok sometimes but not all the time, like wolvie and the katana.

ps congrats on the sooners big 12 title, but i give fair waring now that nebraska has a good coach they might have competition in the north.:D

[RoguishGurl]

And, RG, love, I agree. Storm looked bad ass but it was really just not necessary. Storm rocks in her own right. Putting a weapon in her hand is simply adding to her already more than adequate arsenal. Storm needs no such weapon on a permanent basis.
Yeah not permanent, but it should most def show up from time to time because it looks so cool. But since she can kill a person by just directing a large bolt of lightning at there heart, I'm sure she doesn't really need it. Oh, but it makes her look so bad ass. But it would probably annoy my if she used it in every issue.

[sinjection]

i doubt that any head of state goes any where without armed gaurds.

Anwar Sadat was assassinated by soldiers under his command and possibly by members of his own honor guard. Those armed guards didn't do the head of state any good in that instance, and they would not have been able to do so had the Israeli honor guard decided to do what Sadat's own people did to him.

But as usual, you are twisting my posts out of context. I don't know if you do that on purpose or if there is some sort of disconnect between what your eyeballs read and your brain's ability to correctly comprehend what the eyeballs have conveyed to it.

What is a scepter, Jackob? A scepter is a ceremonial staff often wielded by heads of state often topped with what appears to be the stylized head of a mace. Many royal heads of state have received visitors holding such an object in hand. In the case of the Wakandan Royals, instead of a scepter, they would have in hand ceremonial war spears designed to expressed the culture of their people, but not intended to insult and certainly not to harm any visiting guests. As I said, there is no difference between the Wakandan War Spear and Namor's scepter. I suggest that if you would be intimidated or frightened if you were received in a non-threatening manner by any of those characters, that you are something of a wimp. Don't take that as an insult. It's not intended to be so. However, it accurately describes your reaction to a rather benign and ceremonial circumstance.


and i wouldnt be freaked out by guards with guns, that is there job, if i was i coulnt go into a bank or airport. but if i am in peace talks the guy im talking to should not be holding a mace.

Did I say that any visitors to Wakanda would be there talking "peace" Jackob? I said that the Wakandan Royals could receive visitors to their nation on official visits, wearing their regal Wakandan raiments and wielding their ceremonial Wakandan War Spears, as befits their regal status as rulers of an African nation.

think about it it makes perfect sense.

Nothing you've posted regarding this issue makes sense yet.



and i am not as boring as repating the same "catchphrases" all the time about the blue big foot, and the mutant whose name i refuse to type, or after anyone you like posts you spend like 12 lines saying the same thing. or bringing up friday night lights, or how elvis stole his music, or how the x-writers are out to get black mutants or "Ship set sail" or complain about saggy baggy ma guthrie. or missqouting writers.
i think that sums up your retoric.

And since it's all true, you will no doubt be seeing those fine phrases appearing in future posts. And guess what? Knowing you, you'll be reading and responding to most of them.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Jackob]

Anwar Sadat was assassinated by soldiers under his command and possibly by members of his own honor guard. Those armed guards didn't do the head of state any good in that instance, and they would not have been able to do so had the Israeli honor guard decided to do what Sadat's own people did to him.

But as usual, you are twisting my posts out of context. I don't know if you do that on purpose or if there is some sort of disconnect between what your eyeballs read and your brain's inability to correctly comprehend what the eyeballs have conveyed to it.

What is a scepter, Jackob? A scepter is a ceremonial staff often wielded by heads of state often topped with what appears to be the stylized head of a mace. Many royal heads of state have received visitors holding such an object in hand. In the case of the Wakandan Royals, instead of a scepter, they would have in hand ceremonial war spears designed to expressed the culture of their people, but not intended to insult and certainly not to harm any visiting guests. As I said, there is no difference between the Wakandan War Spear and Namor's scepter. I suggest that if you would be intimidated or frightened if you were received in a non-threatening manner by any of those characters, that you are something of a wimp. Don't take that as an insult. It's not intended to be so. However, it accurately describes your reaction to a rather benign and ceremonial circumstance.




Did I say that any visitors to Wakanda would be there talking "peace" Jackob? I said that the Wakandan Royals could receive visitors to their nation on official visits, wearing their regal Wakandan raiments and wielding their ceremonial Wakandan War Spears, as befits their regal status as rulers of an African nation.



Nothing you've posted regarding this issue makes sense yet.




And since it's all true, you will no doubt be seeing those fine phrases appearing in future posts. And guess what? Knowing you, you'll be reading and responding to most of them.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

yes a spear is a weapon
a scepter is jewlrey
if you get killed by the queen of england and a frial golden sceptar.
and yes namor probly holds the trident to atempt to intimidate.

but the thing is HEADS OF STATE dont carry WEAPONS.
there guards DO

and yes i am a wimp for not likeing to negotiate with armed people. whoops my bad

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

A ceremonial Wakandan War Spear :)

She and T'Challa would look magnificent, each with their ceremonial spear, greeting foreign dignitaries.

Wait, are you advocating a spear for ceremonial use only? Cause that would make tons more sense than swinging the freaking thing around.

[Jackob]

A ceremonial Wakandan War Spear :)

She and T'Challa would look magnificent, each with their ceremonial spear, greeting foreign dignitaries.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

the idea of a spear for stricktly cerimonial use is dumb
she is a superhero she should use it for kicking ass

they shouldnt show boring made up aspects of the wakandan buracracy that no one wants to see.
War spears are not for peace they are for war

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

the idea of a spear for stricktly cerimonial use is dumb
she is a superhero she should use it for kicking ass

But here's the catch.

A spear is actually a *really* tough weapon to wield efficiently. There's a reason Darth Maul got killed. :D

[Jackob]

But here's the catch.

A spear is actually a *really* tough weapon to wield efficiently. There's a reason Darth Maul got killed. :D

but if he was in a jam he couldnt hurl a tornado at the foe

[sinjection]

What part of CEREMONIAL did you NOT get when I mentioned the War Spears would be ceremonial? Do you not know the meaning of the word ceremonial? Are you not aware of the nature of the functions the word ceremonial describes? It's likely you do know and are only posting your silliness by way of confrontation and not conversation....as usual :)

yes a spear is a weapon

Policemen give talks to school children, sometimes as young as 7 or 8 years old, Jackob, warning them against the dangers of drugs and gangs. The talks are positive and intended to steer them from harm. Those policemen, while in uniform, are armed with LOADED weapons. The purpose of those weapons are not to intimidate the children and even today, parents teach their children that if they are ever in trouble and there happens to be a policeman or policewoman nearby, go to that person.

Namor's intent is not to harm his guests when he appears with his royal trident. It would not be T'Challa's or Ororo's intent to harm any visitors they might receive with their CEREMONIAL Wakandan War Spears.

a scepter is jewlrey

JEWELRY is something a person WEARS for purposes of adorning their bodies, Jackob. An earring is jewelry. A nose-ring, nipple ring, finger ring are examples of jewelry. I've never heard of jewelry a person CARRIES, Jackob. One wears a necklace. One does not CARRY a necklace. A scepter is a stylized MACE in many cases. It is wielded, not worn by royal persons.

but the thing is HEADS OF STATE dont carry WEAPONS.
there guards DO

Fidel Castro carried a pistol. Sadaam Hussein carried a pistol. Moammar Khadafy of Libya carried a pistol. Idi Amin carried a pistol.

End of conversation, Jackob. Good night.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[sinjection]

Wait, are you advocating a spear for ceremonial use only? Cause that would make tons more sense than swinging the freaking thing around.

That is EXACTLY what I am suggesting. T'Challa and Ororo greeting foreign dignitaries to Wakanda, looking resplendent in fine Wakandan royal raiments and each carrying a CEREMONIAL Wakandan War Spear.

At least one person has it in his mind that at anytime, T'Challa and/or Ororo could experience a fit of madness and begin "swinging the freaking thing around". He finds the whole idea of being greeted by royals wielding ceremonial weapons intimidating.

I don't know what to make of it. But it's Jackob. It's rare I ever know what to make of what he sometimes posts.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[frog]

500 posts about a harpoon. That's just a little "pointless" if you'll pardon the pun. :D

We won't be seeing Storm carry the harpoon much longer. It's served it's purpose as a bit of intimidation against the Mauraders. I don't expect to see her picking up a spear anytime soon either, that would just be silly.

That's all I have to say. :)

[sinjection]

500 posts about a harpoon.

Closer to 300 posts actually.

That's just a little "pointless" if you'll pardon the pun. :D

That "pun" almost qualifies as an unpardonable sin. You're slipping, Cassidy.

We won't be seeing Storm carry the harpoon much longer.

But fans of the BLACK PANTHER could very well be seeing Storm carrying a cool Ceremonial Wakandan War Spear when she and T'Challa begin receiving guests to the royal palace.


Storm is an interesting and important character. The discussion about Storm and her "harpoon" is infinitely more interesting than a conversation exploring the reasons why Emma Frost prefers sexual activity with the visorless Scott Summers.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Brian Cronin]

That's why I can't even let the little innocuous stuff get by - because then that leads to ANOTHER one and another one, and soon, the thread is waaay off-topic.

So just stick to the topic, please. And do not do silly things like taunt other posters over the sales/lack thereof of Black Panther.

-Brian

[Alex A Sanchez]

I chose "Bang it", because I'm immature and I thought it was funny.

HA HA HA HA!!!

I thought the same thing.

But seriously, does "banging" it or "slanging" it mean keeping it? Cuz I like it!!

Sure, she doesn't need it, but it looks cool when people shoot lighting out of a staff.

[worstblogever]

I suppose if you want her going whaling, than sure, she should keep it.

[sinjection]

The harpoon does not fit Ororo's character or her culture: Slang it.

Ororo and T'Challa sporting royal Ceremonial Wakandan War Spears while receiving foreign dignitaries to the Wakandan capital: Bang it.

Wakanda is a warrior nation. T'Challa is the warrior king of a warrior people. Ororo was a warrior before she married T'Challa and she is a warrior now. This is the reason why Ramonda, Queen Mother of Wakanda, was hoping T'Challa would bring Ororo home as his bride and not the lovely, but Americanized Jazz singer, Monica Lynne. T'Challa tried that once.

Ramonda and Monica Lynne talked about the qualities a Wakandan Queen should have. Ramonda reminded Monica that the Wakandans are a warrior people and then asked Monica if she had ever in her life killed anything...even killing a goat would have gotten Monica some few points for effort. Monica Lynne was beautiful, but unsuitable. Could Monica have withstood the Panther God's judgement declaring as honorable and valid the WEDDING OF THE CENTURY? Of course she couldn't have done so.

Therefore, as warrior rulers of a warrior nation, it would not be at all inappropriate if the Wakandan Rulers were to appear at the opening of official/royal Wakandan functions adorned in regal Wakandan raiments and each wielding a cool Ceremonial Wakandan War Spear.

Consider the Official Seal of the President of the United States. It features the national bird, the bald eagle which is a fierce bird of prey. In it's right talon, the eagle clutches an olive branch for peace. The eagle's head is directed to the right symbolizing that the U.S. favors peace. However, in the eagle's left talon, he holds not one, but THIRTEEN arrows. I don't believe anyone needs to be told what the significance of those arrows are. Every visiting foreign dignitary sees the Presidential Seal when he conducts affairs of state with the President.

The panther itself is a predator, but it isn't a "thrill hunter". It only kills when hungry. One of the reasons why the founders of the Black Panther Party chose as its symbol a leaping black panther - besides the obvious fact that it is a magnificent black animal - is because of the nature of the panther. The panther avoids contact with other animals. It avoids confrontation. However, if a panther is provoked, then it will spring to the attack, and once it has attacked, it will not quit the fight until it is vanquished or victorious.

Such is the nature of Almighty Wakanda and magnificently represented by its splendid rulers, King T'Challa and Queen Ororo.

:)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

[Jackob]

The harpoon does not fit Ororo's character or her culture: Slang it.

Ororo and T'Challa sporting royal Ceremonial Wakandan War Spears while receiving foreign dignitaries to the Wakandan capital: Bang it.

Wakanda is a warrior nation. T'Challa is the warrior king of a warrior people. Ororo was a warrior before she married T'Challa and she is a warrior now. This is the reason why Ramonda, Queen Mother of Wakanda, was hoping T'Challa would bring Ororo home as his bride and not the lovely, but Americanized Jazz singer, Monica Lynne. T'Challa tried that once.

Ramonda and Monica Lynne talked about the qualities a Wakandan Queen should have. Ramonda reminded Monica that the Wakandans are a warrior people and then asked Monica if she had ever in her life killed anything...even killing a goat would have gotten Monica some few points for effort. Monica Lynne was beautiful, but unsuitable. Could Monica have withstood the Panther God's judgement declaring as honorable and valid the WEDDING OF THE CENTURY? Of course she couldn't have done so.

Therefore, as warrior rulers of a warrior nation, it would not be at all inappropriate if the Wakandan Rulers were to appear at the opening of official/royal Wakandan functions adorned in regal Wakandan raiments and each wielding a cool Ceremonial Wakandan War Spear.

Consider the Official Seal of the President of the United States. It features the national bird, the bald eagle which is a fierce bird of prey. In it's right talon, the eagle clutches an olive branch for peace. The eagle's head is directed to the right symbolizing that the U.S. favors peace. However, in the eagle's left talon, he holds not one, but THIRTEEN arrows. I don't believe anyone needs to be told what the significance of those arrows are. Every visiting foreign dignitary sees the Presidential Seal when he conducts affairs of state with the President.

The panther itself is a predator, but it isn't a "thrill hunter". It only kills when hungry. One of the reasons why the founders of the Black Panther Party chose as its symbol a leaping black panther - besides the obvious fact that it is a magnificent black animal - is because of the nature of the panther. The panther avoids contact with other animals. It avoids confrontation. However, if a panther is provoked, then it will spring to the attack, and once it has attacked, it will not quit the fight until it is vanquished or victorious.

Such is the nature of Almighty Wakanda and magnificently represented by its splendid rulers, King T'Challa and Queen Ororo.

:)

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

but that is the thing america shows its warrior spirit with the seal, bush doesnt carry a m-16 anround when he is greating forien dignitaries (even though he probably wants to:D ) it is inapropriate to be armed during diplomatic functions. it is a sign of disrespct to the visiting heads of state. it would apear to be an atempt at intimidation and that in and of its self is rude and in deplomacy respecting other diplomats is important.
if the ceremonial spear is for ceremony that is a fine use for it but it is inaproriate for diplomacy

when storm does use the war spear it should be for war, she should not use it all the time because that would take away the specialness of it but break it out when she is letting loose the juice! it doesnt make sense to carry it at all times except for battle.

[sinjection]

but that is the thing america shows its warrior spirit with the seal, bush doesnt carry a m-16 anround when he is greating forien dignitaries (even though he probably wants to:D )

The U.S. is not Wakanda and vice versa. Although the U.S. slaughtered its indigenous people to almost nothing and throughout her history, has shown itself to be imperalisitic, the nation presents the "face" of a nation of peaceful people. Wakanda is honest about and proud of its warrior heritage. They are a warrior people. This does not mean Wakanda is an expansionist, aggressive power intending to subjugate all other nations....although T'Challa did joke with Ororo at one time that if the world feared them as a couple and tried to hinder and hamper them, that they would have to take over the world.

Our President probably couldn't even lift an M-16 without tipping over from the weight. He talks tough, but depends upon others to back up his tough talk.


it is inapropriate to be armed during diplomatic functions. it is a sign of disrespct to the visiting heads of state.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think it is highly appropriate for the Wakandan Royals, rulers of a warrior nation, to dress the part when greeting foreign dignitaries. Dressing in a way that reflects the culture and history of their nation in no way threatens any visitors to their nation. It isn't as if T'Challa or Ororo will be pointing their Ceremonial Wakandan War Spears at the throats of their guests. After the royal reception, the Ceremonial Spears would be put in their places not to appear until the Wakandan Royals bid their guests a fond farewell. No, I don't mean in THAT way either.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the traditional Zulu Chieftans in South Africa will greet visitors to their territory dressed in authentic Zulu apparel. This includes shield, war club and assegai. Traditional Zulu weddings are much the same. The families of the bride and groom come together dressed in traditional Zulu apparel and perform a very exciting and vigorous dance which the uninitiated might mistake for a war dance. The bride and the groom are both armed with shields and assegai.


when storm does use the war spear it should be for war, she should not use it all the time because that would take away the specialness of it but break it out when she is letting loose the juice! it doesnt make sense to carry it at all times except for battle.

It's already been established that Storm doesn't need any weapon. Her powers will suffice. It makes better sense that her spear be a Ceremonial Wakandan War Spear used for ceremonial purposes only.

My last words on the subject :)

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[bluedmighty]

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The point is, if you give Storm a spear, it can be contrived as racist because of the past connotation. If you give Storm a spear, it could be contrived as racist because she needs in, in spite of her massive array of powers, a weapon to make her stronger when a white guy with wings doesn't need a weapon, despite his limited ones.

About that:

Let's remember that while these characters are fictional, they are scripted and drawn by real people with real world experiences.

That said, why wouldn't they have Warren (weaponless) pick up the harpoon?

Why not Night Crawler who is experienced with malee combat?

I just don't see Storm saying:

"Yo!!!!! That Harpoon is TIGHT son!!!!!!"

"Run that $#!+ YA MEAN"

:D

There is no right and wrong to this position.

It's opinion based whether you think she looks good with and they should make more of it or not.

However, while agreeing with everyone that she does not "Need" the Harpoon/Spear, it just doesn't seem like she's the type to "gank" weapons in the heat of battle.

And then not distribute them to who needs them most.

[chemicalx]

I just don't see Storm saying:

"Yo!!!!! That Harpoon is TIGHT son!!!!!!"

"Run that $#!+ YA MEAN"

:D

And my world is made brighter because of that...

I still say the spear is ok. As a black person it doesnt really offend me because i know it isnt meant to be anything other than a cool visual. The first thing i thought honestly was hmm where did she get that followed by damn thats cool!!!

I dont want it around all the time but the idea of Ororo with a weapon (spear, long sword, etc) is very interesting especially in conjuntion with her powers. Makes for some interesting visuals.

[Jackob]

And my world is made brighter because of that...

I still say the spear is ok. As a black person it doesnt really offend me because i know it isnt meant to be anything other than a cool visual. The first thing i thought honestly was hmm where did she get that followed by damn thats cool!!!

I dont want it around all the time but the idea of Ororo with a weapon (spear, long sword, etc) is very interesting especially in conjuntion with her powers. Makes for some interesting visuals.

that is true, at the end of the day, what realy counts in comics is does it look cool. and storm with spear looks cool.
it doesnt mater if she needs it or not, it maters if it looks good.

[jarrod]

I dunno, I sort of like the visual of Storm focusing electricity or wind with a weapon. Thor does it, why can't she? Maybe she can pick up Cable's old Psimitar or something?

[Affinity]

Adults should not speak slang.

Leave that to us.

That is all.

[Fatguy]

Adults should not speak slang.

Leave that to us.

That is all.

Gasp, ageism!

[bluedmighty]

Adults should not speak slang.

Leave that to us.

That is all.

AGEIST

:D

[Brian M.]

AGEIST

:D

White people too...honestly, we sound so stupid.

[Slant]

Thor does it, why can't she?

If anything, thats a reason why she shouldn't use a weapon. Originality and all that.

[Jackob]

If anything, thats a reason why she shouldn't use a weapon. Originality and all that.

no originality is overated they should just have 2 characters that are merged into Thorm

[pryde15]

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About that:

Let's remember that while these characters are fictional, they are scripted and drawn by real people with real world experiences.

That said, why wouldn't they have Warren (weaponless) pick up the harpoon?

Why not Night Crawler who is experienced with malee combat?

I just don't see Storm saying:

"Yo!!!!! That Harpoon is TIGHT son!!!!!!"

"Run that $#!+ YA MEAN"

:D

There is no right and wrong to this position.

It's opinion based whether you think she looks good with and they should make more of it or not.

However, while agreeing with everyone that she does not "Need" the Harpoon/Spear, it just doesn't seem like she's the type to "gank" weapons in the heat of battle.

And then not distribute them to who needs them most.

I liked it solely for the fact that it looked very cool, but I am not sure that other artist could pull that off. For instance Salvadora Larroca is an artist who I cannot see portraying Storm using a harpoon.

[bluedmighty]

Adults should not speak slang.

Leave that to us.

That is all.

8o's baby.

That is all.

:D

[chemicalx]

I liked it solely for the fact that it looked very cool, but I am not sure that other artist could pull that off. For instance Salvadora Larroca is an artist who I cannot see portraying Storm using a harpoon.

Hmm now that you mention it i cant really see sal doing it either but he did do some pretty good work on her power displays so who knows.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Did Storm steal the spear from one of the Reavers? If you notice one of Deathstyke's reavers has the exact same spear....

[pryde15]

Did Storm steal the spear from one of the Reavers? If you notice one of Deathstyke's reavers has the exact same spear....

Storm hasn't even come in contact with the Reavers yet, they are in Washington D.C fighting the New X-Men, while Storm is in Antartica. She got it from Harpoon, in one of the first panels it even shows Storm holding the spear while she is standing over Harpoon.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Storm hasn't even come in contact with the Reavers yet, they are in Washington D.C fighting the New X-Men, while Storm is in Antartica. She got it from Harpoon, in one of the first panels it even shows Storm holding the spear while she is standing over Harpoon.

Damn....maybe he stole it from the reavers? :o

[DaeJi]

Damn....maybe he stole it from the reavers? :o

No. She took it from Harpoon, and it's not a spear, it's a harpoon.

[pryde15]

Damn....maybe he stole it from the reavers? :o

:p

that is all I need to say :D