death of the new gods #3 * SPOILERS *

[matt_hatyber]

ok what you guys think of it? Kinda good. I like MIster Miricale in Anti-life equation form. Also the black racer armor got me thinking about things. Also i like how darksied said that the person killing them is more power full then any new god. So maybe he isnt a new god. Maybe Its SUPERMAN PRIME killing off the new gods. Aha that would be funny. AND FINAlly The allmighty Mantis is back.

[ShaggyB]

my prediction is its hirom (sp?)

He was there with Takion and he would be the one who would be double crossing

Also it could be Scott himself perhaps from a parallel earth 3 ish universe.

But like you said it could be Prime. But i doubt it because of the way takion died

[Sean Walsh]

There's only 1 set of New Gods throughout the multiverse; they basically exist outside it in their own dimension. So unless they're preparing for a shocking Final Crisis revelation (there are 52 variations of New Gods) it is not that.


They're clearly trying to convince us it's Himon, but they did too much with him this issue to really make him the killer. He was in the area when Takion died and then made him leader of New Genesis - too much foreshadowing.

Besides, it's open knowledge that BIRDS OF PREY spoiled who the killer was by showing his full (identifiable) shadow when he killed Knockout.

[Kid Kyoto]

There's only 1 set of New Gods throughout the multiverse; they basically exist outside it in their own dimension. So unless they're preparing for a shocking Final Crisis revelation (there are 52 variations of New Gods) it is not that.




I'm not too sure about that. NGs have shown up in several elseworlds (Superman Dark Side, JLA the Nail off the top of my head) in very different versions.

[David Atkins]

There's only 1 set of New Gods throughout the multiverse; they basically exist outside it in their own dimension. So unless they're preparing for a shocking Final Crisis revelation (there are 52 variations of New Gods) it is not that.

That explanation doesn't really work, considering that Kingdom Come was made into one of the 52 universes. That story, which (by the happenings in JSA) seems to have transpired exactly as before (at least up to the nuking of the heroes), had it's own versions of Apokolips, Orion, Mister Miracle, Big Barda... there was even a Batwoman whom was actually a Batman admirer from the Fourth World, if I recall correctly.

[TotalWorldDomination]

That explanation doesn't really work, considering that Kingdom Come was made into one of the 52 universes. That story, which (by the happenings in JSA) seems to have transpired exactly as before (at least up to the nuking of the heroes), had it's own versions of Apokolips, Orion, Mister Miracle, Big Barda... there was even a Batwoman whom was actually a Batman admirer from the Fourth World, if I recall correctly.

DC has been careful in explaining that the Universes of the multiverse are not the same as the stories that inspired them. Hense, the Kingdom Come earth is not EXACTLY the same earth and the one the Kingdom Come story took place on. it was just inspired by that story. So for all we know the KC universe in the 52 had everything take place just as in Kingdom Come except for the Orion/Mr. Miracle/Big Barda thing.

Oh and have they ever mentioned "Project: Soulfire" before?

[botch]

The Killer is someone they know.

And I want to know who it is. And why.

[Sean Walsh]

The Killer is someone they know.

And I want to know who it is. And why.

Infinity Man. Protector of the Forever People and Darkseid's brother.

[berk]

Infinity Man. Protector of the Forever People and Darkseid's brother.Was that always the case? That he was Darkseid's brother, I mean? I don't remember anything about that, for some reason.

[matt_hatyber]

my prediction is its hirom (sp?)

He was there with Takion and he would be the one who would be double crossing

Also it could be Scott himself perhaps from a parallel earth 3 ish universe.

But like you said it could be Prime. But i doubt it because of the way takion died

nah dont think so hirom isnt more powerful than every new god in the universe.

[Paul McEnery]

nah dont think so hirom isnt more powerful than every new god in the universe.

Of course he is! He's the spitting image of Jack Kirby hissoneself!

[Eclips0]

Yeah as cool as this story is, I'm sad to see one of kirby's legacies coming to an end.

[spidervenom]

Has darkseid always referred to himself in the first person?

[Sean Walsh]

Was that always the case? That he was Darkseid's brother, I mean? I don't remember anything about that, for some reason.

Byrne basically created that retcon in a series of backups in JACK KIRBY'S FOURTH WORLD:

Drax (his real name) planned to acquire the Omega Effect in the fire pits of Apokalips, but Uxas (Darkseid) betrayed him and sabotaged his plans, which somehow sent Drax careening beyond the Fourth World to the planet Adon. (Meanwhile, Uxas gets the Omega Effect and transforms into the being we know as Darkseid)

On Adon, Drax met Astorr, the original -------- ---, and after spending years under his tutelege Drax eventually takes over the role of -------- ---. I believe Drax then said he'd get combat his brother (which for years came in the form of helping out the Forever People).

Considering Starlin and others have actually bothered to consult other comics as they adds onto the piles of dead New Gods, perhaps they caught this and will use it for motivation for why he's now killing New Gods.

[spoil]Perhaps the (dreaded) Anti-Life Entity is controlling Infinity Man?[spoil]

[Sean Walsh]

Yeah as cool as this story is, I'm sad to see one of kirby's legacies coming to an end.

I have to admit, it sucks that it's ending in the form of a murder mystery.

Even worse, it's a murder mystery with considerable editorial bunglings and creative miscommunication. :(

[Samuraixsithlord]

Yeah as cool as this story is, I'm sad to see one of kirby's legacies coming to an end.


So they're getting rid of the New Gods completely. Damn i liked the New Gods but not as much as the Green Lantern Corps. I'm glad they came back

[Samuraixsithlord]

Maybe the New Gods will be revamped after Final Crisis? Similar to how Thor came back after Ragnorok

[Slaughter]

After the fourth world, comes the Fiveth World or something, I believe.

And also, I'm beggining to doubt it's Infinity-Man. It's too obvious, everyone's saying "Infinite-Man." I doubt it's him.

[Samuraixsithlord]

After the fourth world, comes the Fiveth World or something, I believe.

And also, I'm beggining to doubt it's Infinity-Man. It's too obvious, everyone's saying "Infinite-Man." I doubt it's him.


I think you need some Spoiler brackets. Anyway the guy who's writing Death of the New Gods said that he hated that BoP gave away the identity of the killer so Infinity Man is the killer.

I think its more interesting to find out why he's killing the New Gods.

[Eclips0]

After the fourth world, comes the Fiveth World or something, I believe.

Yup they've confirmed that. after Final Crisis, theres going to be a series called "The Fifth World", But I don't think it's going to have the same characters in it.

[botch]

I think you need some Spoiler brackets. Anyway the guy who's writing Death of the New Gods said that he hated that BoP gave away the identity of the killer so Infinity Man is the killer.

I think its more interesting to find out why he's killing the New Gods.

I really doubt he would have said it unless he's leading people into a direction that does nowhere and he's not the killer.

[berk]

Byrne basically created that retcon ...Figured it was something like that. Pointless fiddling with the very basic but powerful scenario Kirby set up. You'd think someone in all these years would have tried to actually work with it instead of around or, more accurately, all too often, against it.

[matt_hatyber]

Yup they've confirmed that. after Final Crisis, theres going to be a series called "The Fifth World", But I don't think it's going to have the same characters in it.

show me were it confirmes this please.

[Eclips0]

It's in one of those things they have at the back of the comics. I'll track down the exact week for you and it was in a blurb in Wizards.

[Zero Hunter]

I think that it will turn out to be not as cut and dry as we think. I think what Scott saw on the far side of the 2nd Source Wall is going to be reavelled to be the statues of the 5 Forever People.

[matt_hatyber]

guys we will never get who it is. Because they want it to be some one we will never guess so i bet they look on forums to see who people are saying it is. And when the issue were you figure out who it is they we will just show some one we never guessed.

[botch]

show me were it confirmes this please.

DC nation pages.

[4thHorseman]

show me were it confirmes this please.

I think this is what they were talkin about:

http://www.dccomics.com/news/?nw=8799

to me, it doesn't necessarily confirm a series, just that there is a Fifth World coming due to Final Crisis. But that's just me. Wouldn't be shocked if there was a series though.

[carabas]

I think you need some Spoiler brackets. Anyway the guy who's writing Death of the New Gods said that he hated that BoP gave away the identity of the killer.Meh. It wasn't much of a mystery. Anybody somewhat familiar with the Fourth world knows it's him as soon as the Forver People start popping up. and everybody else is just going to go "Who?" when his identity is revealed.

[sinjun45]

I have a feeling they will throw a curveball and it will be



Mister Miracle



i don't have any facts about this, but when you think about it who else would Barda let slip by her defenses?

[icctrombone]

It it was him, Why kill B barda ?

[the4thpip]

It it was him, Why kill B barda ?

She never put the cap back on the toothpaste tube. :evilangry

[matt_hatyber]

I have a feeling they will throw a curveball and it will be



Mister Miracle



i don't have any facts about this, but when you think about it who else would Barda let slip by her defenses?


to bad you see him like make lunch then walk into a room and see her dead. Unless if he can like duplicate his body.

[carabas]

It didn't slipped by Barda's defenses. Barda's defenses were wholly inadequate to the threath. Not even one killed New God has been shown to even try to fight back.

[icctrombone]

I have a feeling they will throw a curveball and it will be



Mister Miracle



i don't have any facts about this, but when you think about it who else would Barda let slip by her defenses?

Why put a spoiler tag on something that's not true?

[sinjun45]

It it was him, Why kill B barda ?

there are two reasons i can think of.

1. he is not in control of himself and the anti-life equation is.
2. he knows she will not remain dead for long.

i tend to think that it might be 1.

there are a few reasons why i think he's him

spoiler

1. there is supposed to be a survivor at least until the end
2. there is a fifth world coming and likely the survivor might follow
3. who else could escape death and join that same fifth world without dieing than mister miracle the ultimate escape artist
4. it sets up a long story about him finding Barda again and feeling the guilt of being taken over by something else and make amends tale.. even one where he invades that world's apocalypse to save her. >.> well maybe i'm hoping for too much from DC's writers
5. nobody on either side would have expected it meaning Mister miracle could have the chance to kill them with their guard down, and it looks like the victories depend on suprise and speed.
/spoiler

[sinjun45]

Why put a spoiler tag on something that's not true?

becuase it doesn't mean it's not true i just only wanted people who wanted to see it to see it. that plus given DC's record it probably is true.

[sinjun45]

to bad you see him like make lunch then walk into a room and see her dead. Unless if he can like duplicate his body.

who knows what the anti-life equation could do.

[sinjun45]

It didn't slipped by Barda's defenses. Barda's defenses were wholly inadequate to the threath. Not even one killed New God has been shown to even try to fight back.

which could mean a few things.

1. they trusted the person.
2. they did not expect the attack so didn't bother to defend.
3. it was completely out of character for that person to kill (nothing about fighting but the killing part)
4. the anti-life equation is sentient and had a hand in it.

[matt_hatyber]

there are two reasons i can think of.

1. he is not in control of himself and the anti-life equation is.
2. he knows she will not remain dead for long.

i tend to think that it might be 1.

there are a few reasons why i think he's him

spoiler

1. there is supposed to be a survivor at least until the end
2. there is a fifth world coming and likely the survivor might follow
3. who else could escape death and join that same fifth world without dieing than mister miracle the ultimate escape artist
4. it sets up a long story about him finding Barda again and feeling the guilt of being taken over by something else and make amends tale.. even one where he invades that world's apocalypse to save her. >.> well maybe i'm hoping for too much from DC's writers
5. nobody on either side would have expected it meaning Mister miracle could have the chance to kill them with their guard down, and it looks like the victories depend on suprise and speed.
/spoiler


to bad when takion died mister mircale was kinda on apocalypse fighing people.

[matt_hatyber]

becuase it doesn't mean it's not true i just only wanted people who wanted to see it to see it. that plus given DC's record it probably is true.

please explain dcs record on how this will be true?


Oh sorry for posting twice after i posted i saw this and yea,

[sinjun45]

please explain dcs record on how this will be true?


Oh sorry for posting twice after i posted i saw this and yea,

no problem just look at their treatment of their characters sometimes. Identity Crisis brings this up rather nicely to be honest. or the death of spoiler retconning it so they can say there's never ben a female robin. it's more of an impression really. i could be wrong it's likely i am but given the direction they are taking it certainly would be a curveball.

[carabas]

which could mean a few things.

1. they trusted the person.
2. they did not expect the attack so didn't bother to defend.
3. it was completely out of character for that person to kill (nothing about fighting but the killing part)
4. the anti-life equation is sentient and had a hand in it.
5. it happened too fast for them to even react
6. the attack was so overpowereing that any defenses were negligible by comparison

Looking at the wide variety of New Gods that have been killed, 1, 2 and 3 can pretty much be rules out.
The Anti-Life Equation does not actually have anything to do with death and killing people (except for that one time that Starlin thought it was a big, giant juggernaut).

[sinjun45]

5. it happened too fast for them to even react
6. the attack was so overpowereing that any defenses were negligible by comparison

Looking at the wide variety of New Gods that have been killed, 1, 2 and 3 can pretty much be rules out.
The Anti-Life Equation does not actually have anything to do with death and killing people (except for that one time that Starlin thought it was a big, giant juggernaut).


it doesn't make full sense to me either i just have a very bad feeling about this story. It was bad enough that they stated the reason for it was because they couldn't think of any other story. So i think it's badly written already. I just have a feeling they are going to make the story worse. At this point i don't have terribly much faith in the writers, and i'm rather dissapointed. the Amazon story could have and should have been a lot better as well. I just hope that they don't off Orion like the did the others, i might lose all faith whatsoever in the people who run DC. Bad enough Barda dieing like that but if they off Orion like that as well i don't think whoever wrote this story should ever write again.

[TheORKINMan]

I say Himon, they were going on about someone betraying them and he's conveniently now the leader of the New Gods

[marshal99]

Nothing to do with the current storyline but i always liked this splashpage in the pre-crisis JLA/JSA/New gods crossover. :D

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2682/newgenesisrc3.jpg

[Sean Walsh]

I say Himon, they were going on about someone betraying them and he's conveniently now the leader of the New Gods

I believe he's referred to as the "red herring": the one we think is the guilty party because of certain circumstances, but really he isn't.