Who dies in Giant Size Astonshing?

[BIG-X-FAN]

The solicitations say one of the X-Men won't walk away from this fight. So, who is it? If this story takes place before Messiah Complex, then we know it's not Cyclops, Beast, Emma, or Colossus. So far I don't recall seeing Shadowcat in any of the x-over issues. But after all of the work Whedon has put into making Kitty kick ass, would he throw it all away by killing her? I really don't know who it would be.

[rZi]

Personaly i hope none of them do, it's such a waste. All the characters in astonishing bring something great to the team, and wheedon has made great developments on the cyke and katya front. It's my faviroute X-book for years.

[worstblogever]

It could just be as simple as somebody getting a leg cramp and being helped off, you realize. Misleading solicits are a Marvel staple.

[GoingGreen]

It's obviously Kitty.

[Phil Hunn]

Clearly, Kitty's going to get put to sleep.

[ProfeZZor X]

The solicitations say one of the X-Men won't walk away from this fight. So, who is it? If this story takes place before Messiah Complex, then we know it's not Cyclops, Beast, Emma, or Colossus. So far I don't recall seeing Shadowcat in any of the x-over issues. But after all of the work Whedon has put into making Kitty kick ass, would he throw it all away by killing her? I really don't know who it would be.

There lies the trick statement.... It doesn't necessarily say that someone will die. It say that someone won't WALK AWAY from the fight. They did the same thing with Bobby and Sam when they were ambushed by the Marauders.

So I believe that someone will be severely injured, but not killed.

[Cayman]

It pretty much has to be Kitty.

Poor Kitty.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

There lies the trick statement.... It doesn't necessarily say that someone will die. It say that someone won't WALK AWAY from the fight. They did the same thing with Bobby and Sam when they were ambushed by the Marauders.

Did they?

I seem to recall mention of a deadly ambush (or something real close) and the strong possibility of someone not walking away/

And Kitty's so dying.

[Harlock]

Whedon loves to build up then tear down. I suspect Kitty gets put down. Plus, in the Marvel Previews that came out today there is a cover for Uncanny X-Men #495 that shows Logan packed up and leaving (I assume for X-Force) and Colussus also has a backpack and is heading out the door (actually a gaping hole in the mansion wall) in his short shorts.

I seriously doubt Colussus would leave were Kitty alive and well.

[GoingGreen]

Whedon loves to build up then tear down. I suspect Kitty gets put down. Plus, in the Marvel Previews that came out today there is a cover for Uncanny X-Men #495 that shows Logan packed up and leaving (I assume for X-Force) and Colussus also has a backpack and is heading out the door (actually a gaping hole in the mansion wall) in his short shorts.

I seriously doubt Colussus would leave were Kitty alive and well.

Not to mention Kitty and Lockeheed's noticable absence on that cover, in additon to the variant of Astonishing 24, the last issue before Giant Sized, which only features Kitty and Lockeheed.

[Kid Icarus]

Not to mention Kitty and Lockeheed's noticable absence on that cover, in additon to the variant of Astonishing 24, the last issue before Giant Sized, which only features Kitty and Lockeheed.

HOw does the varient prove anything?
Each of the characters in the book have had
a varient in this last arc...

[Pro]

So Kitty dies somewhere between Blinded by the Light (where she is very much alive to give Emma the location of Destiny's diaries) and Messiah Complex without anyone referencing it? Seems kinda ludicrous. Scott and his team fly off into space between the first Marauder attack and the new mutant baby being born to combat aliens who resurrected Collosus ages ago?

It would really be best if the whole Whedon run was placed out of continuity because it makes no sense at all if it is set in continuity the way it is playing out now.

[Kid Icarus]

Maybe Lockheed ends up in a wheelchair?

[GoingGreen]

HOw does the varient prove anything?
Each of the characters in the book have had
a varient in this last arc...

True - but based on meticulous planning, it only adds to the speculation. Why would Kitty be the FINAL variant before Giant Sized, is what I'm saying.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

HOw does the varient prove anything?
Each of the characters in the book have had
a varient in this last arc...

It's more of a "in addition to, oh, everything else" motif, really.

[Kid Icarus]

Well I'll just use it to add to my Lockheed theory
Cripple lockheed and hilarity ensues!

[ibrakeforchinwe]

They say this person won't walk away....how much do you wanna bet Xavier gets paralyzed again....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

How about killing him and no one but Kitty's ghost caring?

[Kid Icarus]

or maybe kitty will turn all ghosty again
and only be able to float
thereby not...walking.. away
huh? huh?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I gotta ask.

Do you *really* want her to not die that bad or are you just doing it for s**ts and giggles.

Hard to say on which side members of the Kitty Pro-Life Squad really stand.

[Jake V]

They say this person won't walk away....how much do you wanna bet Xavier gets paralyzed again....

Quite a bit, seeing as how he isn't in the story.

It's Kitty. The worst kept secret in comics.

[GoingGreen]

I'm pro-death Kitty, personality. It's not like she'll be dead forever.

[Kid Icarus]

I'm a prolifer
:(
is that frowned upon?

[GoingGreen]

Quite a bit, seeing as how he isn't in the story.

It's Kitty. The worst kept secret in comics.

I have to disagree. Worst kept secret is a tossup between: Cable's death and Cyclops' death.

[Jake V]

I have to disagree. Worst kept secret is a tossup between: Cable's death and Cyclops' death.

Are they hard to "keep" because neither actually happened?

I'm not seeing your reasoning here.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm a prolifer
:(
is that frowned upon?

Just comes off as somewhat delusional in Kitty's case.

Sometimes, when everything points at someone dying... that person actually dies.

It's not as if the editors wanted every other team member (well, maybe not Colossus) around a lot more than Kitty or anything.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Are they hard to "keep" because neither actually happened?

I'm not seeing your reasoning here.

Rather that no one actually bought it from day... two?

[Kid Icarus]

I know, but when Kitty dies, I hope it is for a good reason
and not just for some not so fun shock value.

[Sentinel K]

Are they hard to "keep" because neither actually happened?

I'm not seeing your reasoning here.

Neither am I.

Jesus, I remember hearing about Kitty dying about 8 months ago.

I just wish it would hurry up and happen already.

[Jake V]

I know, but when Kitty dies, I hope it is for a good reason
and not just for some not so fun shock value.

Kitty dying, in any form, is my definition of fun.

[GoingGreen]

Are they hard to "keep" because neither actually happened?

I'm not seeing your reasoning here.

Mmm, I half ignored the "kept" part. Yeah, okay.

But I'm willing to bet "Mutant Zero" is going to be up there when she's revealed in the year 2045. When are they revealing her? Never. That's when.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I know, but when Kitty dies, I hope it is for a good reason
and not just for some not so fun shock value.

Huh huh. What cracks me up is that you've got an NXM-related avvy.

You weren't too thrilled about the kids' death, right? Cause Kitty kicking it solo and you not blinking at the NXM slaughter would be quite something.

[Sentinel K]

Mmm, I half ignored the "kept" part. Yeah, okay.

But I'm willing to bet "Mutant Zero" is going to be up there when she's revealed in the year 2045. When are they revealing her? Never. That's when.

Wuh? She was only introduced, what, 2 issues ago? 3?

Jeez.

[Toboe]

Everything seems to indicate Kitty Pryde is the one who dies or something else happens to her on Whedon's finale. A shame really, since when he took over it's the first time I've enjoyed the character and has become one of my favourites, and now he's tearing it all appart. Also disturbing is that she's going down with a plot as lame as the Breakworld aliens...

I hope it's Lockheed or Danger...

Or... is Cassandra Nova still possessing someone? Torn's conclusionwas so vague. That may come into the mix when the time comes.

[MakeshiftHero]

Usualy Joss has the tendency to "emo/goth up" happy characters or kill off characters that are more happy and comic relief, just take a look at his work on Buffy, Angel (Angel's half demon friend Doyel(?) on the first season...he was my favorite) and Firefly/Serenity (Wedge)

So I think if it's not Kitty, then maybe Armor?

And they don't have to die, they could just get left behind.

[Kid Icarus]

It was tolerable, because it brought Anole to the forefront!
No I actually hated that massacre, but I am now really
pleased with how it all turned out in the end. I think it made the book flow much better.

[Sentinel K]

Usualy Joss has the tendency to "emo/goth up" happy characters or kill off characters that are more happy and comic relief, just take a look at his work on Buffy, Angel (Angel's half demon friend Doyel(?) on the first season...he was my favorite) and Firefly/Serenity (Wedge)

So I think if it's not Kitty, then maybe Armor?

And they don't have to die, they could just get left behind.

Armour is in MC.

Which Kitty is mysteriously absent from.

[Jake V]

Armour is in MC.

Which Kitty is mysteriously absent from.

The word "Kitty" is mentioned nowhere in any of the books so far.

How much more obvious can it be?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Refer to the somewhat delusional thingy I referred to.

[Pro]

Armour is in MC.

Which Kitty is mysteriously absent from.

But she is in Blinded by the Light which is just days away from MC, meaning the breakworld story is set between the marauder attack on the mansion and the birth of the new mutant baby if Kitty dying is the reason she isn't featured in MC. Makes no sense at all.

[Jake V]

But she is in Blinded by the Light which is just days away from MC, meaning the breakworld story is set between the marauder attack on the mansion and the birth of the new mutant baby if Kitty dying is the reason she isn't featured in MC. Makes no sense at all.

Well, it'll have to. Because that's how it happens.

[GoingGreen]

Maybe Kitty's the baby.

[Jake V]

Maybe Kitty's the baby.

If that's the case, I hope Sinister kills it.

[Harlock]

I know, but when Kitty dies, I hope it is for a good reason
and not just for some not so fun shock value.

I take it you haven't seen Serenity?

"Woohoo, we landed and are alive!"
*THUNK*

[Sentinel K]

Maybe Kitty's the baby.

Maybe I took a dump on the moon.

[GoingGreen]

It was just a joke.

But I'm sure you would if you had the opportunity. :)

[CmX]

Kitty dies.

[Sentinel K]

http://a2.vox.com/6a00d41430d1e33c7f00d09e7cbf22be2b-320pi

[Kid Icarus]

I take it you haven't seen Serenity?

"Woohoo, we landed and are alive!"
*THUNK*

I just jumped on the Whedon band wagon last week
I wasnt going to watch firefly until
I finished Buffy and Angel
hmpf ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It was just a joke.

It was a good one, no need to worry.

Oh, what the hell...

MAJOR props for laughing at those Jean/Kitty theories in so little words.

[Kid Icarus]

It was a good one, no need to worry.

Oh, what the hell...

MAJOR props for laughing at those Jean/Kitty theories in so little words.

hahah
wait
I thought the baby was cassandra nova???:D

[Samuraixsithlord]

Ok did everyone just not read the past few issues of X-men? Kitty was at the mansion when it was attacked by the Acolytes which happened like a week before Messiah Complex. Quill was shown alive in Astonishing and then he died in New X-men. So its a safe bet that all the X-men will live but one will get hurt and have to be carried away, because he/she can't walk away

[Kid Icarus]

Ok did everyone just not read the past few issues of X-men? Kitty was at the mansion when it was attacked by the Acolytes which happened like a week before Messiah Complex. Quill was shown alive in Astonishing and then he died in New X-men. So its a safe bet that all the X-men will live but one will get hurt and have to be carried away, because he/she can't walk away

yaya
I like your detective skills!
If only continuity was followed that closely...

[Sentinel K]

Ok did everyone just not read the past few issues of X-men? Kitty was at the mansion when it was attacked by the Acolytes which happened like a week before Messiah Complex. Quill was shown alive in Astonishing and then he died in New X-men. So its a safe bet that all the X-men will live but one will get hurt and have to be carried away, because he/she can't walk away

Issues 13 to 24 of Astonishing happen in, like, a day.

That day is just before MC starts.

[Jake V]

Ok did everyone just not read the past few issues of X-men? Kitty was at the mansion when it was attacked by the Acolytes which happened like a week before Messiah Complex. Quill was shown alive in Astonishing and then he died in New X-men. So its a safe bet that all the X-men will live but one will get hurt and have to be carried away, because he/she can't walk away

Try reading the whole thread before you make proclamations to "everyone".

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...You guys (not Sentinel and Jake) do know we've seen EVERY other AXM member so far, right?

The only active adult team members (from all books, mind you) we haven't seen on one single pic so far (released already or preview) are... wait, there's no one.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Besides why would Whedon kill of his favorite character? if i'm not mistaken he'd a pretty big Kitty fan

[Kid Icarus]

Well, from my new found Buffy knowledge of last week
He killed off his main character in the first season...
but I guess it was with the intent of bringing her back right away

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So not having this discussion yet again.

I will say this one thing, though: EDITORS.

Off to the store to pick up 205. Later.

[Sentinel K]

Besides why would Whedon kill of his favorite character? if i'm not mistaken he'd a pretty big Kitty fan

That's the exact reason Vaughn killed off Gert in Runaways...

[Jake V]

Besides why would Whedon kill of his favorite character? if i'm not mistaken he'd a pretty big Kitty fan

Probably the same reason he killed his other "favorites" in his TV and movie work.

[GoingGreen]

Poor: Wash, Book, Buffy (3xs), Anya, Tara, Spike, Cordie, etc. etc.

[Kid Icarus]

BAH
BAH
BAH
i read that on accident
and i just stared Buffy last week
BAH

[Sentinel K]

Yeah dude you should spoiler tag that stuff.

Not cool.

[GoingGreen]

Sorry. Things from years ago don't generally need spoiler warnings. You might want to fix the quote, Sentinel K.

[Slung]

Kitty dying, in any form, is my definition of fun.
Do you hate Kitty because of some sense of honor for Emma's good name, or is it something else? I personally have always liked Kitty since her early days in X-Men to Excaliber and back to X-Men. Not sure where all the hate is coming from. She's a good character. Just because she doesn't like Emma (who Kitty saw kill her own men, torture various X-Men and manipulate her parents all in her first introduction to her) shouldn't mean you hate her.

[Slung]

Sorry. Things from years ago don't generally need spoiler warnings. You might want to fix the quote, Sentinel K.

Rosebud is SPOILERS a sled
Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt) is SPOILERS a multiple personality
Dr. Malcom Crowe (Bruce Willis) is SPOILERS really dead
Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins) SPOILERS kills people dressed as his mother
Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey) is actually SPOILERS Keyser Soze

[kate-pryde]

Probably the same reason he killed his other "favorites" in his TV and movie work.

If that was true, he would have killed off Buffy at the end of Season 7. Or killed Willow.

Joss kills characters because of the impact it would have on other characters - i.e. Tara died because of what it would do to Willow, Wash for what it would to do Zoe, and Buffy's mom for how it would impact Buffy & Dawn. Those deaths lead to bigger story arcs.

Joss didn't kill off any character at the end of Season 7 that he thought would continue on in a spinoff. Emma Caufield wasn't all that interested in being in a spinoff, so Anya got killed, mainly because characters had to die in the Buffy finale to show that people die senseless deaths in war.

But Joss wanted to leave the characters he loved around to use them again.

There isn't enough time in Astonishing for Joss to really show the impact of anyone's death. It would simply be a death for the sake of killing someone and shock value.

Fox Network execs desperately wanted Joss to kill off a member of the Firefly cast (because they thought the cast was too big, but also for a big shock death episode). And Joss refused because he couldn't bare to part with any of the characters. Firefly might have gotten a couple more episodes if Joss had agreed to do a big death episode. But still Joss wouldn't kill anyone off. He won't do cheap, shock value deaths.

So unless Joss has plotted with Warren Ellis a story arc coming out of the death of a character from the GS Astonishing, it doesn't fit what his usual pattern.

The only way Joss would want to kill off his favorite character is for the story that would follow. With Messiah Complex, what's the point? Kitty's death would likely have no ramifications. Everything is changing as a result of Messiah Complex, not Kitty's death.

Also, Joss is all about feminism and girl power. He's built up Kitty into the predominant female superhero. Kitty has won Wizards Female Superhero of the Year award multiple times since he's take over Astonishing. At this point, Joss is most likely to be considering what he leaves as his legacy. And what would be better - killing his favorite character or leaving her for other writers he respects to use?

And he'll never hear the end of it from his fans.

[GoingGreen]

Hey, hey, hey! I just got a snarl because I didn't hide and tag my spoilers! You should too, Kate-Pryde lady.

[Omega Alpha]

Kitty is as alive as Black Goliath.

[Bart Simpson]

I wouldn't mind if Kitty kicked the bucket.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Well, from my new found Buffy knowledge of last week
He killed off his main character in the first season...
but I guess it was with the intent of bringing her back right away


who'd he kill off?

[Kid Icarus]

Buffy died
for a little while
like 5 minutes...

[GoingGreen]

who'd he kill off?

**Laughs**

[Samuraixsithlord]

**Laughs**


Sorry not a big Buffy fan. Any thing before 3rd season and my memory gets fuzzy

[Kid Icarus]

Sorry not a big Buffy fan. Any thing before 3rd season and my memory gets fuzzy

yeah
I just started watching last week
because I only caught a few episodes
on FX

[GoingGreen]

Yeah, but "...he killed off his main character in Buffy..." is pretty indicative of just who was killed off. That's why I laugh. ;)

[jarrod]

It's Kitty... too bad though, such an amazing character really deserves to go out in a worthwhile story at least.

I'm guessing her true love goes with her though at least. ;)

[BIG-X-FAN]

Alright, so not only does the solicitation say something about an X-Man not walking away; but the cover to Marvel Previews says, "Say goodbye to Joss Whedon and one of the X-Men." I am going to be so pissed if it is Kitty. Not because she's my favorite character or anything. Just because it would show the complete stupidity of the editors of the X-books. I am loving Messiah Complex, and Astonishing has been one of my favorite books despite the lateness. But it would totally screw up continuity. Before all of this, I placed the events of Torn and Unstoppable before Civil War. But now I am not so sure. I really hope they don't screw it up.

[40yearoldnovafan]

Remember, in the giant sized book other X-men will be involved in the fight. It takes place on Earth. It may be a member from a different team.

[Go Go]

And just when I finally got to liking her again!

It's funny, I read the X-Men back when Kitty hadn't quit and gone to Excaliber. Well, I fell out of comics for a few years, and when I came back, Kitty and other members were no longer in the book, nor was she or the others mentioned, so I thought they'd been killed off! I was especially sad thinking about poor Kitty being dead!

But once I started reading stories with her in them, none of them really clicked for me and Kitty quickly became a character I wished was dead.

Oh, and how I especially hated what Claremont did to her personality and what not in that Mechanix mini. Oh, pure shit.

I didn't like hearing that Kitty was going to be a part of the team in Astonishing. But after the first issue, I enjoyed her character more than I ever had before.

So if she is dying, well, Claremont will find a way to bring her back, younger than ever. Of course, with her powers, any writer could easily find a way to bring her back a la Apparition from Legion (physical body destroyed but her love bonded her to her indestructable boyfriend who was caught in the same explosion that killed her<--- Kind of wrecked the character, btw) But frankly, sometimes it is best for a character to go out while still on top.

Before I hit post though, I do have to say I do have my doubts about Kitty dying though. We'll see.

[xmanson]

Mekanix was great. Kitty was finally moving on with her life.

The Astonishing crapped all over that. But I disgress...

[BIG-X-FAN]

Remember, in the giant sized book other X-men will be involved in the fight. It takes place on Earth. It may be a member from a different team.

We have seen every one in the Messiah Complex issues except Kitty and Cannonball. And Cannonball is in a coma after the Marauders attack.

Like I said, if it's Kitty I'm pissed.

[MakeshiftHero]

We have seen every one in the Messiah Complex issues except Kitty and Cannonball. And Cannonball is in a coma after the Marauders attack.

Like I said, if it's Kitty I'm pissed.

Cannonball has been shown standing around with the X-Men (and some X-Factor members) in the preview pages of New X-Men #45.

[CMBMOOL]

Ok did everyone just not read the past few issues of X-men? Kitty was at the mansion when it was attacked by the Acolytes which happened like a week before Messiah Complex. Quill was shown alive in Astonishing and then he died in New X-men. So its a safe bet that all the X-men will live but one will get hurt and have to be carried away, because he/she can't walk away

That got to be the only possible way for Whendon to avoid another Fan rampage. :(

[CMBMOOL]

Wouldn't Kitty's death help motivate Colossus ? :(

[Pro]

That got to be the only possible way for Whendon to avoid another Fan rampage. :(

Yea, the thing is if it hadn't been known for almost a whole year in advance and had been published on schedule it would have been a shocking death and people would have gone like:"OMG, she dead".
But taking almost a year to finish the story with everyone almost certain Kitty will croak they'll go:"Gah did you really have to do that!?"

[Tobias March]

Mekanix was great. Kitty was finally moving on with her life.

The Astonishing crapped all over that. But I disgress...

achem....Ellis' Excalibur...which was duly retconned :p

But I don't know if they'd kill Kitty. She might the team altogether - seems cliched for Whedon, the killer of Buffy/Tara/Wash to do away with yet another character on a book he's writing.

Then again...

[DeniseXfrost]

Kitti dies.
Do you hate Kitty because of some sense of honor for Emma's good name, or is it something else? I personally have always liked Kitty since her early days in X-Men to Excaliber and back to X-Men. Not sure where all the hate is coming from. She's a good character. Just because she doesn't like Emma (who Kitty saw kill her own men, torture various X-Men and manipulate her parents all in her first introduction to her) shouldn't mean you hate her.
He can hate her for whatever reason he wants.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So if she is dying, well, Claremont will find a way to bring her back, younger than ever.

No he won't.

He's busy with Kitty Roge... I mean, Pryde over in Exiles.

[Joe Franklin]

All of the Messiah Complex evidence leads to Kitty being dead, since she is the only Astonishing cast member who is not appearing in the crossover. But this does not make it a fact that Whedon kills her off in Astonishing. The evidence supports it, but we won't find out until February for sure.

[Jake V]

Do you hate Kitty because of some sense of honor for Emma's good name, or is it something else? I personally have always liked Kitty since her early days in X-Men to Excaliber and back to X-Men. Not sure where all the hate is coming from. She's a good character. Just because she doesn't like Emma (who Kitty saw kill her own men, torture various X-Men and manipulate her parents all in her first introduction to her) shouldn't mean you hate her.

It has nothing to do with Emma.

I find her boring and little more than a mouthpiece for old school X-fans.

Plus, she has sex with retarded people. And I think that's illegal.

[Joe Franklin]

Plus, she has sex with retarded people.

:eek:

She does?

It looks like I have a chance then.:D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It has nothing to do with Emma.

I find her boring and little more than a mouthpiece for old school X-fans.

Funny, I rather see her as the *death* of old school.


Plus, she has sex with retarded people. And I think that's illegal.

LMAO. First time I heard that one. :D

[frog]

And what on earth is wrong with old school, you whippersnappers?

[rZi]

And what on earth is wrong with old school, you whippersnappers?

lol, old school reprezent!

Seriously the cast is too good to kill off, i could understand if some were maybe B-lister but none of them are. It'll only be met by a birrage of fanboys complaining they lost their faviroute character and will be undone within a year...i don't see the point.

[frog]

lol, old school reprezent!

Seriously the cast is too good to kill off, i could understand if some were maybe B-lister but none of them are. It'll only be met by a birrage of fanboys complaining they lost their faviroute character and will be undone within a year...i don't see the point.

I'm with you. I don't enjoy watching characters die just to make a big splash.

[CyberHubbs]

I never understood why anyone finds Kitty boring. Might be the lack of slutty wear, I think. C'mon, she's a Jewish Ninja that walks through walls! You really can't go wrong with that kind of combination.

I've said it before, but her death would be pretty stupid as far as continuity. She's in New X-Men right before the Purifiers hit Alaska, so that's a matter of days, IF THAT. I think she's still around, just not in all of the action.

Danger will probably become an X-Man, then be the one that dies.

[Harlock]

I never understood why anyone finds Kitty boring. Might be the lack of slutty wear, I think. C'mon, she's a Jewish Ninja that walks through walls! You really can't go wrong with that kind of combination.

I've said it before, but her death would be pretty stupid as far as continuity. She's in New X-Men right before the Purifiers hit Alaska, so that's a matter of days, IF THAT. I think she's still around, just not in all of the action.

Danger will probably become an X-Man, then be the one that dies.

I don't think Danger is a choice. Here's the deal: The Marvel Previews that hit the shelf yesterday has some X-Men on the cover and has a blurb at the bottom...

"Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men
Say goodbye to Joss Whedon, John Cassaday and one of these mutants! An era ends this February"

Pictured on the cover are Colossus, Beast, Kitty, Emma, Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Angel and Nightcrawler (Shield is shown on the interior of the magazine from the same shot).

I think the whole "say goodbye" thing also disproves the crippling theories based upon the "will not walk away" line.

Also, given the Uncanny X-Men #495 cover (also in Marvel Previews) that shows Emma, Scott, Angel, Nightcrawler, Logan (with a duffle bag heading away from the mansion, presumably to join X-Force) and Peter (who has a backpack and is walking away from the mansion as well) I think the choices are narrowed down quite a bit.

We're looking at Kitty, Shield (maybe, she wasn't on the front cover at all, just the interior shot of the cover) Storm or Beast. Well, Storm is all tied up in Black Panther right now and I doubt she's the one. Shield is iffy. Beast or Kitty seem most likely and given Whedon's penchant for offing his favorites, I am going with Kitty.

[frog]

I don't think Danger is a choice. Here's the deal: The Marvel Previews that hit the shelf yesterday has some X-Men on the cover and has a blurb at the bottom...

"Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men
Say goodbye to Joss Whedon, John Cassaday and one of these mutants! An era ends this February"

Pictured on the cover are Colossus, Beast, Kitty, Emma, Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Angel and Nightcrawler (Shield is shown on the interior of the magazine from the same shot).

I think the whole "say goodbye" thing also disproves the crippling theories based upon the "will not walk away" line.

Also, given the Uncanny X-Men #495 cover (also in Marvel Previews) that shows Emma, Scott, Angel, Nightcrawler, Logan (with a duffle bag heading away from the mansion, presumably to join X-Force) and Peter (who has a backpack and is walking away from the mansion as well) I think the choices are narrowed down quite a bit.

We're looking at Kitty, Shield (maybe, she wasn't on the front cover at all, just the interior shot of the cover) Storm or Beast. Well, Storm is all tied up in Black Panther right now and I doubt she's the one. Shield is iffy. Beast or Kitty seem most likely and given Whedon's penchant for offing his favorites, I am going with Kitty.

Well now that's interesting.

I think that it's really odd that Marvel is trying to throw Storm, Angel and Nightcrawler into the (death)pool at this point.

[protogarrett]

I still say Lockheed.

[frog]

By the way, does the preview mean that it will actually come out in February?!? :eek:

[Harlock]

By the way, does the preview mean that it will actually come out in February?!? :eek:

They are listing Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men #1 as available for sale on February 27 in fact. So, late as heck February.

[CyberHubbs]

So, Messiah Complex will be mostly done by the time Whedon finishes his run? Are you serious?

[frog]

They are listing Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men #1 as available for sale on February 27 in fact. So, late as heck February.

Wow!

Oh, is the art new or something we've seen before?

[Harlock]

Wow!

Oh, is the art new or something we've seen before?

It's the team jumping off of or over some cliff or other rocky object.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well now that's interesting.

I think that it's really odd that Marvel is trying to throw Storm, Angel and Nightcrawler into the (death)pool at this point.

They haven't really done so, actually.

[frog]

It's the team jumping off of or over some cliff or other rocky object.

That sounds like the cover we've seen.

[jarrod]

I still say Lockheed.
It'll be Kitty and Lockheed. Who'd have thought 4 years ago Whedon's run would whimper out this predictably. :/

[tunasammiches]

http://a2.vox.com/6a00d41430d1e33c7f00d09e7cbf22be2b-320pi

Bwaahahahahaha.

[Swashbuckler]

They are listing Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men #1 as available for sale on February 27 in fact. So, late as heck February.

It would be awesome if they had it listed for February 30th. lol.

[Phil Hunn]

It'll be Kitty and Lockheed. Who'd have thought 4 years ago Whedon's run would whimper out this predictably. :/

I'd been thinking that since the "shock reveal" of the new Hellfire Club as figments of Emma's own imagination, actually...

[d newton]

achem....Ellis' Excalibur...which was duly retconned.
How was it retconned? ;)

[Siddon]

Just posting this twist ... one of the X-men "dies" but its a Skrull who is then brought back to life. Don't assume that this issue won't tie into Secret Invasion

1. It has got Nick Fury

2. It has a shadow group of Shield

3. It has alien resurection technology

4. We have confirmation that Skrulls are going to be popping up in Jan-March

[xmanson]

Is Whedon even aware of it? They may use it as an excuse to bring a person back, but not coming from Whedon.

[Phil Hunn]

Is Whedon even aware of it? They may use it as an excuse to bring a person back, but not coming from Whedon.

I doubt Whedon's factored that in at all, considering all his scripts were (supposedly) handed in when dinosaurs still walked the Earth...

[DeadXMan]

it dose not bowled well for our favorite Purple X-dragon. IMO:( :(

[Siddon]

Is Whedon even aware of it? They may use it as an excuse to bring a person back, but not coming from Whedon.

Actually the official plans started (April 2004) Secret War 1 right when they signed Whedon Avengers 500 (September 2004) and Astonshing X-men 1 came out the around the same time (July 2004), which is why you really need to look at books from that Reload period of time on foward. Those are when the clues started popping up.

Wanda wouldn't have been able to depower skrulls.

The pieces are all there for a twist, and I am calling/praying for a big one.

[Tobias March]

How was it retconned? ;)

Kitty de-aged again.....Kurt returning to background character from pro-active leader....Brian allowed to be a scientist again besides some muscle guy in a suit...just off the top of my head here.

Anyway. I'm sure the previews might be exaggerating. Or one of the X-Men has been dead all this time and was replaced with a Skrull. Whedon hasn't played with the Skrulls yet and he might want to jump on that before he leaves the title.

Or you know, it's some put upon nobody in the team that hasn't been seen for a while and will reappear for a panel or two before incidental death, like.....Lila Cheney.

[Slyfer]

I personally don't think anyone is going to Die, I think kitty is going to stay behind to send the team to Earth to save it.

[Quarterwolf]

I still say Lockheed.
Lockheed the brave nobel dragon who befriended Kitty during the brood saga wil sacrifice himself in a hopes to get back on her good graces while Kitty herself is so distraut that she leaves the X-Mansion and Colossus to go to Excalibur to be with the hard edged Pete Wisdom. Thus, he lack of presence in the new books.

Well that or they call Danger a X-Men and then she gets blasted to the four winds and they all shrug and go home where Kitty then goes to Excalibur because she needs to think about where she wants to go with her life and she cannot do it with Colossus there.

[Peeps]

doesnt it say an xman will not walk away?


maybe lockheed is made an official member?

[Quarterwolf]

doesnt it say an xman will not walk away?


maybe lockheed is made an official member?

Lockheed always was/is a member. He was a memeber of any team Kitty was on the since that was who he traveled and bonded with.

Same way Jubilee was on the X-Men when she grafted herself to Wolverine.

[eurazn]

I hope it's not Kitty. That scene where she goes into the depths of the earth to retrieve Emma and addresses her as a "b!tch" is classic. She should stick around solely for the reason of calling Emma out for what she is instead of kowtowing to her like the rest of the X-Men ...

[Phil Hunn]

I hope it's not Kitty. That scene where she goes into the depths of the earth to retrieve Emma and addresses her as a "b!tch" is classic. She should stick around solely for the reason of calling Emma out for what she is instead of kowtowing to her like the rest of the X-Men ...

Well, perhaps she should stick around for more reasons than that, but it's certainly a significant one. We need at least one X-Man who'll keep sticking two fingers up at Emma... I mean, when even Wolverine is shrugging his shoulders and going "Okay, Emma, whatever you say," you know something's not right...

[xmanson]

Lockheed? Someone who has barely been on panel for the last 10 years?

Heh, I remeber when he was not supposed to show up in Mekanix so we were supposed to pretend he was off panel.

Well, Whedon shitted all over him, may as well kill him.

[Harlock]

Well, perhaps she should stick around for more reasons than that, but it's certainly a significant one. We need at least one X-Man who'll keep sticking two fingers up at Emma... I mean, when even Wolverine is shrugging his shoulders and going "Okay, Emma, whatever you say," you know something's not right...

Hey, when you're right, you're right. Like whenever Wolvie decides to put a couple of claws through some grey matter rather than incapacitate someone.

OK, yeah, Emma is still a bitch, but so far, near as I can tell, she has only been wrong about trusting the cuckoos and in seducing Scott (Unless she is still a villain in which case it makes total sense, and yes, I still think she'll turn back.)

[Phil Hunn]

Hey, when you're right, you're right. Like whenever Wolvie decides to put a couple of claws through some grey matter rather than incapacitate someone.

What can I say, it's a skill :)

OK, yeah, Emma is still a bitch, but so far, near as I can tell, she has only been wrong about trusting the cuckoos and in seducing Scott (Unless she is still a villain in which case it makes total sense, and yes, I still think she'll turn back.)

Y'know, as much as I'd like to see Emma thrown out of the mansion on her ear, it's not going to happen - not while Joe "Emma Frost is soooooooo kewl and Jean Grey is a stoopid poopy-head" Quesada is in charge, anyway, and even when he's gone, it'll still be a very unlikely event.

See, Marvel has realised that Emma = $$$, and will thus not want her to be doing anything except making regular appearances in a core title. Why would they exchange the steady flow of cash-money provided by her presence on an X-Team for sales spikes whenever she shows up as a member/the leader of some anonymous band of mutant thugs?

Emma's not going anywhere. And somewhere, an angel is weeping because of it.

[Harlock]

What can I say, it's a skill :)



Y'know, as much as I'd like to see Emma thrown out of the mansion on her ear, it's not going to happen - not while Joe "Emma Frost is soooooooo kewl and Jean Grey is a stoopid poopy-head" Quesada is in charge, anyway, and even when he's gone, it'll still be a very unlikely event.

See, Marvel has realised that Emma = $$$, and will thus not want her to be doing anything except making regular appearances in a core title. Why would they exchange the steady flow of cash-money provided by her presence on an X-Team for sales spikes whenever she shows up as a member/the leader of some anonymous band of mutant thugs?

Emma's not going anywhere. And somewhere, an angel is weeping because of it.

Preaching to the choir. Joe Q. has ruined Spider-Man. I felt his influence was felt less in every other title. Perhaps I was wrong. Do you have any links or comments from Mr. Quesada regarding the X-Titles to back your statements up? For some reason, I always felt Joey was disconnected from the X-Office. No real reason why, It just seems he was really interested in screwing Peter Parker over and cared less about other titles.