The Superboy(man)-Prime War Strategy

[Ultraman Zoffy]

First time posting, so if this isn't in the right area, my bad... But, after reading all of the issues in which he appears in since COIE and given all that we've seen of his power level so far, the same thought kept occurring to me and I thought I'd throw it out:
If it does end up that Superman-Prime turns out to be the biggest threat the Post IC earth has ever faced, what are some of the strategies some of you would employ in defeating him? For example, if you were leading a force of any and all possible combinations of super powered characters on the Post IC earth at your disposal, what strategy would you employ in taking this insanely powerful maniac out? Keeping in mind all of the power level limitations on the current earth's heroes and villains, of course... and no teleporting characters from other earths or bringing back dead people. Just the resources at hand.
Personally, I keep thinking of how the strategy would have to be almost psychological in nature, with sheer power not being the biggest factor...
Just wanted to see what people on this forum would come up with (^_^)V

[Shellhead]

First, have Jericho (of the Teen Titans) take over the body of the hottest woman on DC Earth and have her (his) go on television to announce her love for Superboy-Prime. Once SBP shows up to meet her, have Jericho take over SBP's body and punch himself until unconscious, while making him shout out "Why are you hitting yourself?" over and over again. Then have Green Lantern wipe out his post-Crisis memories, all of them, until SBP is reduced to his old nice boy personality. Then have Zatanna use magic to strip SBP of his powers.

[matt_hatyber]

First, have Jericho (of the Teen Titans) take over the body of the hottest woman on DC Earth and have her (his) go on television to announce her love for Superboy-Prime. Once SBP shows up to meet her, have Jericho take over SBP's body and punch himself until unconscious, while making him shout out "Why are you hitting yourself?" over and over again. Then have Green Lantern wipe out his post-Crisis memories, all of them, until SBP is reduced to his old nice boy personality. Then have Zatanna use magic to strip SBP of his powers.

first of, welcome to the forum ultraman zoffy:P.

and secondly shellhead i like that is the sickest idea ever. Dc should actually do that. Just seeing Smp punching him self would be soo funny. I would also would like to see who they would pick as the hottest girl in the dc universe.

[Captain Smith]

Is it canon that Prime is immune to Z's magic? Can Jericho take over a PC Kryptonian - they have been pretty strong against mental tricks before?

Here's my strategy - have Darkseid suck up power across the universe as he did in the Great Darkness Saga. Then he can kick the butt of a PC Kryptonian.

[Shellhead]

Is it canon that Prime is immune to Z's magic? Can Jericho take over a PC Kryptonian - they have been pretty strong against mental tricks before?

Here's my strategy - have Darkseid suck up power across the universe as he did in the Great Darkness Saga. Then he can kick the butt of a PC Kryptonian.

The usual problem with Zatanna is that she's too slow to deal with a speedblitz. Anybody faster than the speed of sound can take her down. I don't know if Jericho can take over a PC Kryptonian, but SBP is human, not kryptonian, and Jericho has taken over Match, who is a clone of Connor Kent, who was a clone of Superman.

Your Darkseid solution seems like a good example of the cure being worse than the disease.

[Shellhead]

I wonder if SBP could retcon-punch himself out of existence? That would be nice.

[Ultraman Zoffy]

Thanks for the welcome... I'd been reading the forums for a while, but only registered to throw this topic out.
I was thinking that since there is so much speculation about how powerful SMP is, that a strategy would have to utilize the weakness that IS known: namely, somehow removing or cutting him off from the sun. He no longer has his armor storing the energy for him, and when the other Supermen flew him through the red sun in IC, he powered down fairly quickly. So, victory over this nut job might center around these key things:

1) Someone that can cause an "eclipse" type effect that can cut off sunlight? (I believe there are a couple of characters in the DCU capable of something like it, right? Can't remember their names though...)

2) Pre-occupying SMP so he can't lightspeed his ass out from under the eclipse (Super speedsters, or the Superman/Supergirl trio maybe?)

3) Have another speedster of some sort (might be running out of those, though, since Jay and Wally are the only available ones? Maybe Sodom Yot? Do Daxamites have super speed as well?) grab a powered up Red Star and speed blitz SMP, surrounding him with makeshift red solar energy

4) Whale on him and knock him the hell out when he's sufficiently powered down...

5) Let Risk kick SMP while he's unconscious (had to throw that in... the poor guy should be thrown a bone for losing both his arms, right?)

6) Then have Wonder Woman, Power Girl, or any other DCU character that will understand the necessity of ending the menace of SMP put him down permanently...

... Well, it's a possible strategy, but I also liked the Jericho/Hot Chick solution too... Keep the creative war plans coming in! lol...

[Ian J.N.]

First time posting, so if this isn't in the right area, my bad... But, after reading all of the issues in which he appears in since COIE and given all that we've seen of his power level so far, the same thought kept occurring to me and I thought I'd throw it out:
If it does end up that Superman-Prime turns out to be the biggest threat the Post IC earth has ever faced, what are some of the strategies some of you would employ in defeating him? For example, if you were leading a force of any and all possible combinations of super powered characters on the Post IC earth at your disposal, what strategy would you employ in taking this insanely powerful maniac out? Keeping in mind all of the power level limitations on the current earth's heroes and villains, of course... and no teleporting characters from other earths or bringing back dead people. Just the resources at hand.
Personally, I keep thinking of how the strategy would have to be almost psychological in nature, with sheer power not being the biggest factor...
Just wanted to see what people on this forum would come up with (^_^)V

The Atom. Physiologically, Prime is indestructible, but on the subatomic level he's nothing but protons, neutrons and electrons. Therein lies the key to his defeat. First, the heroes collect a blood sample from Prime's bloody battle with Sodam Yat. Then, Dr. Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific compare his DNA with Superman's and devise a re-sequencing strategy that will strip Prime of his powers, or at least put him on the same level as Superman (i.e. make him susceptible to kryptonite). Finally, the Atom, marshaling the residents of the Microverse, launches a full-scale invasion. They knock out certain base-pair sequences, rearrange others, and the battle is essentially won.

See? Easy. :)

[Ultraman Zoffy]

The Atom. Physiologically, Prime is indestructible, but on the subatomic level he's nothing but protons, neutrons and electrons. Therein lies the key to his defeat. First, the heroes collect a blood sample from Prime's bloody battle with Sodam Yat. Then, Dr. Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific compare his DNA with Superman's and devise a re-sequencing strategy that will strip Prime of his powers, or at least put him on the same level as Superman (i.e. make him susceptible to kryptonite). Finally, the Atom, marshaling the residents of the Microverse, launches a full-scale invasion. They knock out certain base-pair sequences, rearrange others, and the battle is essentially won.

See? Easy. :)

Wow... and there's also all the talk about Finding Ray Palmer, and him being the key to averting the crisis. Good one!

[davros42]

I don't know if Jericho can take over a PC Kryptonian, but SBP is human, not kryptonian, and Jericho has taken over Match, who is a clone of Connor Kent, who was a clone of Superman.

Superboyman-Prime is a Kryptonian, from Krypton-Prime.

[Shellhead]

Superboyman-Prime is a Kryptonian, from Krypton-Prime.

I keep forgetting that SBP didn't get his powers from that comet. Anyway, Jericho has possessed Connor and Match, who were kryptonian clones, so he should be able to use his power on SBP.

[Choppa]

Anyone can go into the paradise and retcon punch him out. There was nothing unique about SPB that allowed him to do it. Other than that he whined that is.

[Slaughter]

Call a green lantern that knew that the boy should've been killed. Then, ask him to travel backwards through time, when the boy was imprisioned. It's very easy to do the rest: (namely: Beat the **** outta him)

Find someone with extense time and universal traveling capabilities and travel through time and the multiverse. Then, make a army of Supermen composed of Red Son Superman, Kingdown Come Superman, Nazi Ubersmench, Ultraman, Superman One Millio, Magic Superman and The Dark Knight Superman. Then you just beat the **** outta him.

Call Warp and make Prime shoot a heat vision beam. When his eyes are red, have Warp open two portals: One in the way of the heat vision blast, the other is a micro-portal inside Prime's brain. There, instant self-lobotomy.

Pin him in some celestial body, say, Eris. Then have Superman, the Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman and some green lanterns HURL Dysnomia (Eris's moon) at five times the speed of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. There, ULTRA-BIG kiler explosion all right. NOTHING IN THE UNIVERSE could survive it.

[Captain Smith]

Another Great Darkness strategy - teleport Daxam to a yellow sun. When the population is charged up, launch the billions of them at Prime.

That's what Darkseid did and then have the tables turned on him.

Also about the Spectre, his powers - are they magical? They are really channeling the Almighty. Is that magic? If not, then he can vaporize Prime as he once did Darkseid.

[marshal99]

Have Pre-crisis Ultraa the first super being from Earth-prime come back and beat this snot-nosed punk. Considering Earth Prime Ultraa is even stronger than PC superman , it would be a easy task for him to spank the boy for disgracing earth prime and sully its name. ;)

[Slaughter]

I think any "Super-oid" can be took down by a green lantern beam through the ears. You just need to hit his brain.

[Surtur]

Green Lantern beams aren't doing squat to Prime. Sodom Yat flat out tried to kill Prime with his ring and failed.

The question isn't what strategy to use to beat Prime, the real question is how can they beat him without PIS and have it actually make sense?


Hell, don't they have anyone capable of time travel? Take Superman back 100 years, and let him sit in the middle of the sun for the next century, then when Prime shows up he'll finger flick him into space. 100 years in the core of a yellow star should put clark well past Primes level.

Oh, and god help them all if Prime figures out what will happen to his powers if he flies through the core of a yellow star..

[BoosterBronze]

New Earth Kryptonite doesnt do squat to SBP.

Have they said anything about his weakness to magic? Could Captain Marvel deal him up a butt whooping?

[Shellhead]

New Earth Kryptonite doesnt do squat to SBP.

Have they said anything about his weakness to magic? Could Captain Marvel deal him up a butt whooping?

SBP is supposedly immune to magic.

[Eclips0]

Whatever they do I really hope they get rid of this bad plot device.

[Rik Sunn]

I would also would like to see who they would pick as the hottest girl in the dc universe.

It should be Lois. Not that she's ACTUALLY the hottest woman in the universe, but she could appeal to his sense of destiny ("WAH! I'm going to be SUPERMAN! WAH!") and go on TV telling him how he's the only Superman she'll ever need, blahblahblah.

[Shellhead]

Good pick with Lois, though I personally only find the All-Star Superman version to be even somewhat pretty.

I'm concerned that Final Crisis might turn out to be a re-run of that odious 52 sidebar mini known as World War III. Hopefully the heroes will come up with a more interesting plan of action than trying to gang up on a guy they can't beat.

Hmm. Come to think of it, the Martian Manhunter may play a pivotal role in this fight. SBP doesn't have any mental defenses, does he?

[Slaughter]

I don't think Prime is immune to magic, he's just more resistant to it than the New Earth Superman (I mean, c'mon, he LAUGHED OFF a punch from BLACK ADAM, BLACK ADAM).

Yeah, the Martian Manhunter was able to read his mind during the Infinite Crisis. Prime possesses few to no mental defenses.

And Prime, for some reason, has a strange fear of shadows and possibly darkness, as during the Multiverse Tower Fight, Nightshade engulfed Prime in shadows and scared him. Maybe they could use shadows to defeat him, if they explore it right.

[Angelo2113]

I don't think Prime is immune to magic, he's just more resistant to it than the New Earth Superman (I mean, c'mon, he LAUGHED OFF a punch from BLACK ADAM, BLACK ADAM).

Yeah, the Martian Manhunter was able to read his mind during the Infinite Crisis. Prime possesses few to no mental defenses.

And Prime, for some reason, has a strange fear of shadows and possibly darkness, as during the Multiverse Tower Fight, Nightshade engulfed Prime in shadows and scared him. Maybe they could use shadows to defeat him, if they explore it right.

I'd really like to see Obsidian take Prime apart if he's afraid of the dark. I wonder why Prime is afraid of the dark though, they never really covered that.

[Buried Alien]

Locate old Silver/Bronze Age Earth-One and get that universe's Superman pronto.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Angelo2113]

Locate old Silver/Bronze Age Earth-One and get that universe's Superman pronto.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Only bad thing about that would be that Prime could be able to get Kryptonite from that Earth

[Angelo2113]

Obsidian would be a good match against Prime because he wouldn't be able to get hit, and Obisidian has some pretty awesome powers where he can make people see their evil-side and make them go insane. Might not be a good idea to make Prime become even more insane, but at least a distraction for another hero to take him down

[Buried Alien]

Earth-Prime was home to DC Comics writers, correct? If it can be located, why not have Prime taken down by his creators, Elliot S. Maggin and Curt Swan? Mr. Swan passed on some years ago here on Earth-Reality, but that might not be the case on Earth-Prime.

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[Angelo2113]

Earth-Prime was home to DC Comics writers, correct? If it can be located, why not have Prime taken down by his creators, Elliot S. Maggin and Curt Swan? Mr. Swan passed on some years ago here on Earth-Reality, but that might not be the case on Earth-Prime.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I don't think they created Prime though, I thought it was just a coincidence there was a "real" Superman on that planet.

[Buried Alien]

I don't think they created Prime though, I thought it was just a coincidence there was a "real" Superman on that planet.

According to Wikipedia, Maggin and Swan were Superboy Prime's creators.

It'd be a metatextual type thing, like Grant Morrison did with ANIMAL MAN back in the late 1980s...or what Maggin, Julius Schwartz, and others did back in the Silver/Bronze Age

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[Angelo2113]

According to Wikipedia, Maggin and Swan were Superboy Prime's creators.

It'd be a metatextual type thing, like Grant Morrison did with ANIMAL MAN back in the late 1980s...or what Maggin, Julius Schwartz, and others did back in the Silver/Bronze Age

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I thought they wouldn't know who Prime is because all the new Earths were created with new histories.

[Buried Alien]

I thought they wouldn't know who Prime is because all the new Earths were created with new histories.

They might or might not. The 52 Multiverse's parallel universes are not identical to the classic DC Multiverse's, but they are generally similar.

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[Angelo2113]

It would be interesting to see if Earth - 1 is actually the Earth that Alexander Luthor was trying to create with Earth Prime and a couple of old Earths merged into one. So there might not even be an ACTUAL Earth Prime.

And since there were an infinite number of Earths I wonder if the original Earth - 1 was merged with New Earth and Kal-El is slowly evolving Silver-Age powers, that would explain why Superman remembers the L.O.S.

[marshal99]

As i recall ,the alternate reality Walter West who took over from Wally as the flash a while back , after going back to hypertime , ended up on an earth where superheroes only exist in comic books so that could have been earth prime. God knows what happened to him after infinite crisis.

[Walter West]

As i recall ,the alternate reality Walter West who took over from Wally as the flash a while back , after going back to hypertime , ended up on an earth where superheroes only exist in comic books so that could have been earth prime. God knows what happened to him after infinite crisis.

Good point and that would be a great card to pull out in Final Crisis. :evilsmile

[Malachi]

I think Superboy Prime is too much hype.. In the battle with him in Crisis.. nobody could stop him and there were 2 Supermans and 2 Supermagilr and a Martian..... and one of them could fight him to a stand still .. we see that from the last issue of Green Latern Corps and the new Daxamite Sodom Vat.

[Shellhead]

Maybe some Flash could re-create that feat from The Nail... just vibrate through SBP and come out the other side holding his brain.