Exodus

[Magneto X]

Sometimes he's one of the top three telepaths on the planet.
Sometimes he's fooled by Blindfold.
Sometimes he crushes Avengers and X-Men and Genosha combined. Sometimes he's pawned by Nightcrawler.

Is he a skilled warrior? Is he a leader? Both and more? And where's he from?

What are the limits of his non-telepathic powers?

How do we want him?
Able to face Nate Grey?
Able to face Magneto?
Able to face Nightcrawler?

[The Lucky One]

Able to make Nate Grey cry, but able to be pwned by 3 or 4 X-Men working in tandem.

-D

[ExodusCloak]

Able to face Wolverine :p...god that '98 Annual was embarassing. I'm not upset with what happened. I knew this was coming from the day 13 previews on IGN so I've had a while to get over it. I realize that he should be able to teleport back but it's not the first time he has been BFR'd.
I remember on Asteroid M the X-Men removed Exodus from the field by shooting him off in a mini shuttle. He didn't teleport back then for some odd reason. And I think he teleported in that very same arc from Earth to Avalon.
He's still a beast though. The X-Men came prepped for the big guns; Sinister and Exodus. And managed to subdue the other psychic nuisance Lady Mastermind while they were at it.
I wouldn't worry so much, Carey already stated that he's a Beast and has more raw power then Mr. Sinister. Oh well we still have Exodus lingo, that's what makes him IMO. Now if only we could get that damn purple bordered speech bubble back.

[Pro]

My guess is his power is tied to his confidence/fanaticism similarly in a way to Gladiator of the Shi'ar. And since he's expressed his doubts regarding his alliance to Sinister ..

Can't think of another reason why he didn't immediately teleported back after being 'ported out by Nightcrawler. His very name is based on his ability to teleport after all.

[ExodusCloak]

Can't think of another reason why he didn't immediately teleported back after being 'ported out by Nightcrawler. His very name is based on his ability to teleport after all.

Here was me thinking he was named after one of the holy books. :p

[Pro]

Here was me thinking he was named after one of the holy books.

Nah, if his name was solely based on a biblical book without taking his teleportation power into account it would make no sense at all. But you weren't serious anyway :).

[Magneto X]

Or at least he could've taken Nighty out during his kidnapping. He even had advance warning of the fight!

Heck, besides porting, he could've flown back! Nighty can only teleport like 3 miles. :mad:

Maybe he's real forgetful, like Memento. And he needs Sinister, Frenzy or Magneto around to remind him what he can do!

[ExodusCloak]

Nah, if his name was solely based on a biblical book without taking his teleportation power into account it would make no sense at all. But you weren't serious anyway :).

Not necessarily, anytime Exodus talks it's like he's reading out a scripture or something. And he keeps on going on about how following himself and his holy words will lead mutants to a new Eden. I've always saw him as the keeper of the Magneto "religion". I'm not saying the teleporting thing doesn't make sense just what I've been thinking all these years. :D

[Alan2099]

Not necessarily, anytime Exodus talks it's like he's reading out a scripture or something. And he keeps on going on about how following his holy words will lead mutants to a new eden. I've always saw him as the keeper of Magnetos "cult". I'm not saying the teleporting thing doesn't make sense just what I've been thinking all these years. :D

That was my thoughts on it. Plus he's got ties to Apocalypse anyway, so it kinda fits.

[Speed]

I think Exodus is powerful when he is ready for the fight.
When someone takes him by surprise, he isn't as good and always manages to slip up.
Like someone mentioned earlier, maybe its a confidence.

[AnkaleRa]

Or at least he could've taken Nighty out during his kidnapping. He even had advance warning of the fight!

Heck, besides porting, he could've flown back! Nighty can only teleport like 3 miles. :mad:

Maybe he's real forgetful, like Memento. And he needs Sinister, Frenzy or Magneto around to remind him what he can do!

Well, Nightcrawler can definitely teleport farther than 3 miles now. I remember back during "End of Greys" he teleported over 50 miles in one jump. And he was up and fighting in no time. So, I think his limits have changed.

Also, what exactly are Exodus's powers? I know he has telepathy, teleportation, flight... does he have some sort of energy projection and telekinesis?

[jmc247]

Quicksilver on crack was able to wipe the floor with Exodus.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/crack.jpg

[Dizzy D]

Sometimes he's one of the top three telepaths on the planet.
Sometimes he's fooled by Blindfold.
Sometimes he crushes Avengers and X-Men and Genosha combined. Sometimes he's pawned by Nightcrawler.

Is he a skilled warrior? Is he a leader? Both and more? And where's he from?

What are the limits of his non-telepathic powers?

How do we want him?
Able to face Nate Grey?
Able to face Magneto?
Able to face Nightcrawler?

I like the origin we got for him in Black Knight: Exodus, a crusader who has transferred his worship and loyalty to Magneto. I see him as a skilled warrior, but not as leadership material. He;s very loyal and dedicated to Magneto's worldview and capable of leading small groups of Acolytes in missions to promote said worldview, but lacks the vision to bring about those things by himself. The equivalent of a warrent officer, you could say.

Powerwise, I want him to be a bit above the level of the stronger X-Men members (not counting Phoenix), but not at teamkiller levels that he was in the Avengers/X-Men crossover, mostly because I dislike that he just has this collection of random, unrelated powers. Give him the teleportation (his name is based on it after all) and a defensive/offensive power that ties into it. And partly because Exodus fits a role in Magneto's followers that hadn't been filled so far and making him one of those uber-powerful threads just negates that.

[tjarvis]

The guys is powerful and should be one of the top tier psychics/telekinetics out there. His real danger should be in his ability to fuse the two together. In a battle of pure telepathy, he should be lesser than Xavier.

And stronger than Nate Grey would be illogical since Nate was supposed to represent the epitome of psychic potential. Hence his handing Exodus his ass when the two fought each other.

[Dizzy D]

Not necessarily, anytime Exodus talks it's like he's reading out a scripture or something. And he keeps on going on about how following himself and his holy words will lead mutants to a new Eden. I've always saw him as the keeper of the Magneto "religion". I'm not saying the teleporting thing doesn't make sense just what I've been thinking all these years. :D

When he was introduced, his teleportation was the way Magneto could get his mutant race to his new mutant haven, Avalon, facilitating the exodus of the mutant race from Earth that Magneto had planned. So I always saw it as a literal translation, not as a reference to the biblical book.

[LordAllMighty]

IIRC, Exodus abilities are actually linked to his sanity, his craziness and fanatical believes equal level of power.

This is the reason he’s been easily defeat during some battle and damn near unbeatable during others.

[Pro]

When he was introduced, his teleportation was the way Magneto could get his mutant race to his new mutant haven, Avalon, facilitating the exodus of the mutant race from Earth that Magneto had planned. So I always saw it as a literal translation, not as a reference to the biblical book.

Exactly how i saw it.

[Magneto X]

Exactly how i saw it.

I can't help hearing your text in Bob's gentle bureaucrat voice.

[Faded]

Able to make Nate Grey cry, but able to be pwned by 3 or 4 X-Men working in tandem.

-D

That works for me.

Its cool to have a really powerful guy like him around as long as the odds are so impossible that taking him down wouldn't come off as contrived and silly.

BTW is it wrong that I actually really liked the way Larocca drew him during Austen's horrendous "Brotherhood" arc?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sometimes he's one of the top three telepaths on the planet.
Sometimes he's fooled by Blindfold.
Sometimes he crushes Avengers and X-Men and Genosha combined. Sometimes he's pawned by Nightcrawler.

Is he a skilled warrior? Is he a leader? Both and more? And where's he from?

What are the limits of his non-telepathic powers?

How do we want him?
Able to face Nate Grey?
Able to face Magneto?
Able to face Nightcrawler?

He's superior to any X-Man in the X-Universe power wise. Probably the most powerful mutant alive if Wanda has lost her powers and if Magneto is still depowered. He punked out Xavier with ease in Bloodties and the Fall of Avalon. Nate Grey, a guy who never really lost, beat him but that was to be expected. He's invulnerable, has superstrength, has psychokinetic blasts, can block out other powerful TPs, teleporter, and is seemingly intelligent.

He's from Europe...France apparently and has a background with the Black Knight and Apocalypse. Well Apocalypse put him in suspended animation back in the 12th century before Magneto saved his life and gave his life purpose. A purpose he still fights for vehemently today.

Quicksilver on crack was able to wipe the floor with Exodus.

Which is one of the biggest forms of PIS you will ever see from the 90s.

[The Lucky One]

He's superior to any X-Man in the X-Universe power wise. Probably the most powerful mutant alive if Wanda has lost her powers and if Magneto is still depowered.


Nah... Mad Jim Jaspers is alive again, so it's definitely him. Hell, even if Nate Grey comes back to life, it's still him.

-D

[protogarrett]

Thing is, anyone can be beaten by anyone. Heck, Jubilee with a well aimed sniper bullet could end Exodus. You can be all powerful, but unless you're omniscient, you aren't unbeatable.

Now if he teamed up with Spiral... that would be an awesome set of evil.

[ExodusCloak]

Which is one of the biggest forms of PIS you will ever see from the 90s.

Come on Erik it's not that bad. People seem to forget that Exodus was busy fighting the Eternal Thena telepathically during that match while similtaneously trying to get a lock onto Quicksilver. And Thena was floored and losing.

[pariah-1972]

This is weird i didn't know (or forgotten) that he could teleport:confused:
and what is this about being European? didn't someone say he was an american indian? totally confused now ! thanks guys:o

[Magneto X]

Thing is, anyone can be beaten by anyone. Heck, Jubilee with a well aimed sniper bullet could end Exodus. You can be all powerful, but unless you're omniscient, you aren't unbeatable.

I thought he had bullet proof invulnerability and forcefields and telepathy good enough to sense you aiming, so I'm not so sure that would work. But maybe he's lost the invulnerability, or never really had it.

This is weird i didn't know (or forgotten) that he could teleport:confused:
and what is this about being European? didn't someone say he was an american indian? totally confused now ! thanks guys:o

He can certainy teleport, fly and use telepathy (formerly above Xavier's, now around Emma's?) and use telekinesis and/or forcefields. He may also drain mental energies and heal the dead back to life.

In 2099 he was immune to reality manipulation. And presumably neither Apocalypse nor Nate Grey could kill him.

I've also heard he's Egyptian. He's not Native. Warpath just said he looked like he was. He's probably French. Would love if a character of color was that powerful AND that prominent. But alas . . .

[pariah-1972]

I thought he had bullet proof invulnerability and forcefields and telepathy good enough to sense you aiming, so I'm not so sure that would work. But maybe he's lost the invulnerability, or never really had it.



He can certainy teleport, fly and use telepathy (formerly above Xavier's, now around Emma's?) and use telekinesis and/or forcefields. He may also drain mental energies and heal the dead back to life.

In 2099 he was immune to reality manipulation. And presumably neither Apocalypse nor Nate Grey could kill him.

I've also heard he's Egyptian. He's not Native. Warpath just said he looked like he was. He's probably French. Would love if a character of color was that powerful AND that prominent. But alas . . .Does Apocalypse not count as a character of color? he has sometimes been shown to have exaggerated stereotypical african traits even.
Exodus sounds a bit too powerful to me especially since he gets beaten so regularly.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Come on Erik it's not that bad. People seem to forget that Exodus was busy fighting the Eternal Thena telepathically during that match while similtaneously trying to get a lock onto Quicksilver. And Thena was floored and losing.

It had to be something explicable because Pietro Maximoff can't even fight Unuiscone by himself. Exodus? That's insane. He has bested Jean and Xavier with ease. But seeing the majority of the posts about him in here...I see no one really knows him. Some have him confused with Gladiator...some have no concept of PIS(I mean can Ka-Zar really beat Thanos by himself? Wake up)...and apparently are off about his powers even though they are in display on the company website for anyone and everyone to see. Comedy.

Jim Jaspers? Who ON EARTH is this nobody?

[Speed]

It had to be something explicable because Pietro Maximoff can't even fight Unuiscone by himself. Exodus? That's insane. He has bested Jean and Xavier with ease. But seeing the majority of the posts about him in here...I see no one really knows him. Some have him confused with Gladiator...some have no concept of PIS(I mean can Ka-Zar really beat Thanos by himself? Wake up)...and apparently are off about his powers even though they are in display on the company website for anyone and everyone to see. Comedy. Exodus fans have got to stop hanging onto the fact that he was dangerous in Bloodties.
Its not about the power you have, its about the way you use it.
And Exodus hasn't used it efficiently since that storyline.

Why does he always need the Brotherhood or the Acolytes as backup?
If hes that insanely powerful then he wouldn't have any use for them.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

We also have to stop hanging on to the fact that he hasn't been captured or made to answer for anything he's ever done. Why? How is that possible if he's been "defeated" so much?

He has the Brotherhood..which was a Austin miscue storyline that made no kind of sense and the Acolytes because he follows in Magneto's footsteps. Period.

[Richard Bastard]

from wikipedia (yeah yeah, I know):

Exodus possesses vast psionic powers. His psionic powers include powerful telekinesis, teleportation, flight, incredible telepathic powers and the ability to project damaging psionic blasts. He was once able to reverse the memory wipe Professor Xavier performed on Magneto.

Exodus has stated that he can bring the dead back to life. He appears to have done so on several occasions bringing back Acolytes who had been killed.

Exodus is able to use his telekinetic abilities to lift heavy objects, project blasts, and generate highly durable force fields around him, rendering him highly resistant to physical injury. However the Hulk and Apocalypse have been able to effortlessly withstand his powers.

He also acts as a psionic vampire, absorbing and stealing psionic energy from those around him and using it to his own advantage. There is some evidence that the source of his power is influenced by his followers; for example, in the presence of the loyal Acolytes his powers are greatly amplified.[citation needed]

This is not to say that without his followers Exodus is weak. On the contrary, in Avengers #369 he showed himself capable of simultaneously:

Amplifying Genoshan mutates' hatred of humans;
Crushing Genosha via a massive force field;
Immobilising Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch, Crystal and Jean Grey in another force field;
Mentally resisting Professor X's telepathic control;
Protecting himself from physical attacks; and,
Dealing out massive amounts of damage to both the X-Men and the Avengers.

[Speed]

Period nothing.
Screw period.
Lots of supervillains have never been caught or are in jail.
Just because he evades the police does not mean he has never been defeated.

I could name more times that Exodus has lost than won.
You are grasping at short straws as the phrase goes.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Period nothing.
Screw period.
Lots of supervillains have never been caught or are in jail.
Just because he evades the police does not mean he has never been defeated.

I could name more times that Exodus has lost than one.
You are grasping at short straws as the phrase goes.

You said he gets defeated alot. Why didn't he carted away by Shield or the Avengers afterwards? I just need an answer to that. Thank you.

[Speed]

You said he gets defeated alot. Why didn't he carted away by Shield or the Avengers afterwards? I just need an answer to that. Thank you. When have SHIELD or the Avengers been around when Exodus has ben defeated?
He is an X-Men villain.
When have the X-Men ever handed over defeated villains to SHIELD or the Avengers?

[Magneto X]

Does Apocalypse not count as a character of color? he has sometimes been shown to have exaggerated stereotypical african traits even.

True. And, for that reason and his Egyptian roots and affections (he looked particularly African to me in House of M), I have often counted Apocalypse as a powerful and prominent character of color, but I'm starting to find it hard to relate to him as a black man. Besides the fact that his appearance doesn't tell, due to his mutation (a la Darwin), there are other problems that have developed. Instead of clarifying his being a person of color or from people of color, they've gone the other direction. First, I've seen him pictured with long straight hair, and membership, while a child, in a light skinned tribe. And then there is Clan Acaba. Apparently all of Apoc's ancestors, including his last ones,the pale and red-headed Chamber and Blink, are quite caucasion looking to me. Since Apoc prides himself on improving the gene pool, I'm not sure how to take the fact that Chamber and Blink and some old blond guys, now represent his bloodline according to Marvel. I know it is possible, but I doubt Marvel would do the reverse and have prominent modern black characters having an ancient white ancestor. If he was meant to be black ever, or even Arabic, I think Marvel has forgotten it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fredrich_slade_kills_his_brother.JPG

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Image:Apocalypse14.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Clan_akkaba_%281%29.JPG

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/5e/Chamber_04.jpg

when you say he gets defeated

I think people say that too fast. The X-Men needed to take out Exodus and Sinister because they were the most dangerous (and the ones Sinister called team busters). I just think it was poorly thought out. Frickin forgot his #1 talent is teleportation and he's got much better range than Kurt.

[pariah-1972]

True. And, for that reason and his Egyptian roots and affections (he looked particularly African to me in House of M), I have often counted Apocalypse as a powerful and prominent character of color, but I'm starting to find it hard to relate to him as a black man. Besides the fact that his appearance doesn't tell, due to his mutation (a la Darwin), there are other problems that have developed. Instead of clarifying his being a person of color or from people of color, they've gone the other direction. First, I've seen him pictured with long straight hair, and membership, while a child, in a light skinned tribe. And then there is Clan Acaba. Apparently all of Apoc's ancestors, including his last ones,the pale and red-headed Chamber and Blink, are quite caucasion looking to me. Since Apoc prides himself on improving the gene pool, I'm not sure how to take the fact that Chamber and Blink and some old blond guys, now represent his bloodline according to Marvel. I know it is possible, but I doubt Marvel would do the reverse and have prominent modern black characters having an ancient white ancestor. If he was meant to be black ever, or even Arabic, I think Marvel has forgotten it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fredrich_slade_kills_his_brother.JPG

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Image:Apocalypse14.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Clan_akkaba_%281%29.JPG

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/5e/Chamber_04.jpg



I think people say that too fast. The X-Men needed to take out Exodus and Sinister because they were the most dangerous (and the ones Sinister called team busters). I just think it was poorly thought out. Frickin forgot his #1 talent is teleportation and he's got much better range than Kurt.Some people tend to draw him with more stereotypical features while others don't.
the first time it hit men that he was really supposed to be stereotypical African or coloured looking is the picture that was drawn by Salvador Lorroca where he has brown skin and very large lips,
i don't really understand how Chamber is a part of Clan Acaba and i don't think it's really been explained either.
i didn't know Blink is part of that clan either and i'm not sure if you can call her Caucasian tho she has pink and purple skin and strange tatoo's /birthmarks and i don't think its been said where shes from or what race and nationality she is either.

i think a lot of writers are afraid to make a powerful black villain for the x-men cause i'm sure someone would cry racism of some sort.

i'm not sure why you need a villain to relate to in the first place since usually they aren't supposed to be relateable.
i relate to Iceman cause he is a bit of a loser and has really bad luck in relationships and is constantly underestimating himself and his abilities
i don't relate to him because of his class or background or race.

Random seems like he could be powerful if he choose to be,
but he doesn't really have an agenda and he is a mercenary and doesn't really seem to want to explore the full potential of his powers.

[Onslaught Reborn]

Exodus fans have got to stop hanging onto the fact that he was dangerous in Bloodties.

Yes, Exodus fans should clearly cease talking about the Best Exodus Story.

That's unlikely to happen. I'm sure I speak for all of Exodus fandom when I say that sometimes we all just want to threaten to kill a baby, and yell "Behold my mighty hand!"

i think a lot of writers are afraid to make a powerful black villain for the x-men cause i'm sure someone would cry racism of some sort.


It may be that Apocalypse was created as being grey-skinned before anyone actually decided where on Earth he was born, but I'd be unsurprised if you're right there. Look at how the whole debacle over Magneto's ethnicity supposedly happened because Marvel were afraid of negative backlash if they had one of their major villains be Jewish.

Yet you only have to look anywhere amongst online X-Men fandom, and you'd see that Apocalypse has a sizeable following of people who like him because he's Marvel's biggest African villain.

The X-Men needed to take out Exodus and Sinister because they were the most dangerous (and the ones Sinister called team busters). I just think it was poorly thought out. Frickin forgot his #1 talent is teleportation and he's got much better range than Kurt.

The really sad thing about this is that X-Men #201-2 and the annual really made it look like Carey was finally someone who Got It. And then came this, surely the lowest moment in Exodus' career.

[Magneto X]

i don't really understand how Chamber is a part of Clan Acaba and i don't think it's really been explained either.
i didn't know Blink is part of that clan either and i'm not sure if you can call her Caucasian

Chamber is. And Blink too. They, and everyone else, in the clan appears to not be black. That and Apoc's long straight hair appearances make it hard for me to relate to him as black anymore.

[Phil Hunn]

I've also heard he's Egyptian. He's not Native. Warpath just said he looked like he was. He's probably French. Would love if a character of color was that powerful AND that prominent. But alas . . .

Exodus' real name is Bennet du Paris - he was a French knight who took part in the Crusades and got shut in a cave for hundreds of years by Apocalypse.

Jim Jaspers? Who ON EARTH is this nobody?

Mad Jim Jaspers is a significant villain from Alan Moore's fantastic Captain Britain comics from the 1980s - he has reality-warping powers (and he's not called "Mad Jim Jaspers" because he likes the sound of it, either). An alternate-reality, even more insane-in-the-membrane version of Jaspers built the Fury (which slaughtered all of the super-powered beings on that reality's Earth, except for Captain UK - that reality's Captain Britain, surprisingly - and Jaspers himself). He also showed up in Claremont & Davis' Excalibur vol. I.

Exodus fans have got to stop hanging onto the fact that he was dangerous in Bloodties.

Why? Are Jean Grey fans not allowed to talk about how powerful she was in the first Phoenix story now?

Why does he always need the Brotherhood or the Acolytes as backup?
If hes that insanely powerful then he wouldn't have any use for them.

By that logic, Magneto isn't very powerful either, and neither is MODOK...

[Speed]

By that logic, Magneto isn't very powerful either, and neither is MODOK... How many times has Magneto fought alongside the Acolytes??
Once off the top of my head.

[Arilou]

True. And, for that reason and his Egyptian roots and affections (he looked particularly African to me in House of M), I have often counted Apocalypse as a powerful and prominent character of color, but I'm starting to find it hard to relate to him as a black man. Besides the fact that his appearance doesn't tell, due to his mutation (a la Darwin), there are other problems that have developed. Instead of clarifying his being a person of color or from people of color, they've gone the other direction. First, I've seen him pictured with long straight hair, and membership, while a child, in a light skinned tribe. And then there is Clan Acaba. Apparently all of Apoc's ancestors, including his last ones,the pale and red-headed Chamber and Blink, are quite caucasion looking to me. Since Apoc prides himself on improving the gene pool, I'm not sure how to take the fact that Chamber and Blink and some old blond guys, now represent his bloodline according to Marvel. I know it is possible, but I doubt Marvel would do the reverse and have prominent modern black characters having an ancient white ancestor. If he was meant to be black ever, or even Arabic, I think Marvel has forgotten it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fredrich_slade_kills_his_brother.JPG

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Image:Apocalypse14.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Clan_akkaba_%281%29.JPG

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/5e/Chamber_04.jpg



I think people say that too fast. The X-Men needed to take out Exodus and Sinister because they were the most dangerous (and the ones Sinister called team busters). I just think it was poorly thought out. Frickin forgot his #1 talent is teleportation and he's got much better range than Kurt.

Wasn't there a middle-eastern looking man with Clan Aqqaba?

At any rate, it's 5000 years later. That's, give or take, 1000 generations, at least.

Heck, given "regular" stuff I bet Apoc would by now be the ancestor of a significant portion of the human race, in some fashion. (Assuming he didn't try to control the breeding habits of his descendants, which is eminently possible)

Genghis Khan is assumed to be the ancestor of something like 1/3 of the population of Asia, and that was "only" 700 years ago :p

[Pro]

Heck, given "regular" stuff I bet Apoc would by now be the ancestor of a significant portion of the human race, in some fashion. (Assuming he didn't try to control the breeding habits of his descendants, which is eminently possible)

For all we know all the known mutants are somehow related to Apocalypse.Not likely, but given the amount of time and Apocalypse's agenda of mutant prolifiration it wouldn't be too shocking a surprise. It may be clan Akaba is the only bloodline he actively traced.

[Magneto X]

That's fine. But if Marvel only bothers to trace his white ancestors (letting us assume he's got no known black ones), that kind of takes away from his prominance as a black character for me, especially given his appearance with straight hair.

[Magneto X]

Exodus fans have got to stop hanging onto the fact that he was dangerous


This is BS. Villains lose not because they aren't dangerous, but because they are the villains in a hero's story, and if the heroes die the comic they title ends. Dr. Doom is dangerous. Dr. Doom is usually defeated. Apocalypse is dangerous. Apocalyse will usually be defeated. Magneto is dangerous. Magneto is usually defeated. Exodus is dangerous. He will usually be defeated. :rolleyes: So what? Exodus will survive, be uncapturable, and be dangerous again.

[Pro]

That's fine. But if Marvel only bothers to trace his white ancestors (letting us assume he's got no known black ones), that kind of takes away from his prominance as a black character for me, especially given his appearance with straight hair.

Oh for sure, i wouldn't have minded seeing more than one bloodline scattered across the globe actually, tracing their bloodline to the ancient egyptian mutant. Perhaps we will some day. It would make sense though if clan akaba would have a little more pigmentation given that they are actually named after an egyptian village.
Biologically speaking it depends entirely on which ancestor moved to what country and mingled with the locals.
But i do see your point.

[Phil Hunn]

How many times has Magneto fought alongside the Acolytes??
Once off the top of my head.

The point remains the same: villains having henchmen to do their bidding doesn't make them weak.

For instance, Sinister uses the Marauders (and the Nasty Boys) to do his dirty work when he's powerful enough to kick the crap out of X-Force AND Nate Grey at the same time, to wander through Maddie Pryor's mind extinguishing memories, to survive getting hit by a full-strength optic blast from Cyclops and I don't know what else.

He can do all that, yet he leaves all the rough stuff to Scalphunter's crew. You know what that is? That's delegation of responsibility.

[Pro]

This is BS.

To a certain point. It is clear he was very powerfull when he appeared in Bloodties, but you can't deny that in every appearance after that he seemed significantly less powerfull. If we forget for a moment that writers have different ideas on how powerfull he might be and that villains usually lose and instead focus on storycontent alone then it stands to reason there is some factor to Exodus that makes his power fluctuate.

[jmc247]

To a certain point. It is clear he was very powerfull when he appeared in Bloodties, but you can't deny that in every appearance after that he seemed significantly less powerfull. If we forget for a moment that writers have different ideas on how powerfull he might be and that villains usually lose and instead focus on storycontent alone then it stands to reason there is some factor to Exodus that makes his power fluctuate.

Gladiator has suffered the same problem over time.

[Magneto X]

Gladiator has suffered the same problem over time.

He is not Gladiator.

To a certain point. It is clear he was very powerfull when he appeared in Bloodties, but you can't deny that in every appearance after that he seemed significantly less powerfull. If we forget for a moment that writers have different ideas on how powerfull he might be and that villains usually lose and instead focus on storycontent alone then it stands to reason there is some factor to Exodus that makes his power fluctuate.

Possibly. But defeats that are blitzes, where he's teleported out of the battlefield, are not a real test. Being BFR'd by teleportation (by a writer who forgets he can teleport right back) or a black hole in Xorn's head do not present a great test, but rather a plot necessity to get rid of him because the writer couldn't think of another plausible defeat.

[jmc247]

Possibly. But defeats that are blitzes, where he's teleported out of the battlefield, are not a real test. Being BFR'd by teleportation (by a writer who forgets he can teleport right back) or a black hole in Xorn's head do not present a great test, but rather a plot necessity to get rid of him because the writer couldn't think of another plausible defeat.

Didn't Wolverine beat him in the late 90s?

[Phil Hunn]

Didn't Wolverine beat him in the late 90s?

The annual that had him running from Wolverine like a scared child, you mean?

Didn't happen. You all imagined it.

YOU ALL IMAGINED IT.

[ExodusCloak]

Didn't Wolverine beat him in the late 90s?

Wolverine embarassed him by getting close to him and slashing him. He didn't beat him. Exodus wasn't defeated, Exodus' Magneto illusion was dropped after that attack in that annual. After that the battle took a hiatus.
Exodus forced Genoshian mutants and humans to get a long...after Forge destroyed his machine they started killing each other and Exodus felt like he failed so he gave up and felt sad.

His First Appearance during that Cable/X-Factor/X-Force thing was a high-ish showing.
His Bloodties showing was a high showing.
His Avalon showing was a high showing as well.
His Quicksilver showing wasn't a bad showing since he was similtaneously fighting the Eternal Thena telepathically and winning while similtaneosly fighting a Quicksilver on Isotope E.
Xorn(Mindee punked him telepathically, Havok blasted him) and Nightcrawler(While his powers were being blocked by Emma) BFR'd him it could have been worse.
Joseph beat him that was a pretty crap showing IMO though since he didn't use half of his powers.
Exodus/Black Knight - Not sure what to say, he punked Sersi but then got beaten by Apocalypse
A weakened Exodus took on Nate Grey and Cable...that was pretty good showing since he was severly weakened after his fight with Holocaust.

[Karli]

At any rate, it's 5000 years later. That's, give or take, 1000 generations, at least.


Just a quick little fun fact y'all, but the generational gap -roughly the time it takes for one generation to mature and have children- is officially 17 years. But even at 15 or 14 (possible???) due to greatly shortened life spans back then, that's still just around 350 generations.

Meh, end quibble. Carry on. :)

[Magneto X]

Exodus is M on steroids.

[tipo4thesoul]

I think the guy is holding back for the return of Apocolypse, that is if the Celestrial stop kicking his ass.

[Magneto X]

I think the guy is holding back for the return of Apocolypse, that is if the Celestrial stop kicking his ass.

Maybe it's just an initiation hazing. When he comes back, Apoc will BE a Celestial!

[Green Goblin 4]

That's fine. But if Marvel only bothers to trace his white ancestors (letting us assume he's got no known black ones), that kind of takes away from his prominance as a black character for me, especially given his appearance with straight hair.

Victorian Clan Akkaba
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Akkaba_2nd.JPG

Current Clan Akkaba
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Clan_akkaba.JPG

They trace his non-white ancestors also, so be filled with joy knowing he does have black descendants. :D

P.S. The X-Men know Exodus could kick their @$$, that's why they got rid of him stat.

[Archsilver]

I am by no means an expert on Exodus. And similar to another poster I forgot he could teleport! Maybe his teleportaion does not work like Nightcrawlers. Nightcrawler's abilty to teleport is more suited for combat ans shorter distances unlike say Lila Chenney (sp?). Maybe Exodus can only teleport over long distances like Lila? I could be wrong. Lie I said I didn't even remember he had that power!

Another idea is that he didn't know his way back so he couldn't teleport back. Nightcrawler mentioned where he was telporting him but maybe he lied? :) Exodus tried to get back but since he thought he was somewhere else he had the wrong point of reference.

I think Exodus is pretty cool as a villian but I think his power set is a bit wonky. It seems his power set is "I am buff" instead of a logical set of powers that make sense together.

[The Lucky One]

Jim Jaspers? Who ON EARTH is this nobody?

Joking, of course.

The most powerful mutant who ever lived. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Jim_Jaspers)

-D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I am by no means an expert on Exodus. And similar to another poster I forgot he could teleport! Maybe his teleportaion does not work like Nightcrawlers. Nightcrawler's abilty to teleport is more suited for combat ans shorter distances unlike say Lila Chenney (sp?). Maybe Exodus can only teleport over long distances like Lila? I could be wrong. Lie I said I didn't even remember he had that power!

Another idea is that he didn't know his way back so he couldn't teleport back. Nightcrawler mentioned where he was telporting him but maybe he lied? :) Exodus tried to get back but since he thought he was somewhere else he had the wrong point of reference.

I think Exodus is pretty cool as a villian but I think his power set is a bit wonky. It seems his power set is "I am buff" instead of a logical set of powers that make sense together.

Exodus was teleporting back and forth from Avalon to earth during Fatal Attractions and Bloodties. And like I said, his power set is on marvel.com like it's ALWAYS been.

Jim Jaspers? When he rewrites a universe like Franklin Richards, or alters reality like Wanda did where the world's history is in the palm of her hand and mutants no longer have x-genes, when he's able to break dimensional barriers to alternate worlds like Nate Grey....we can talk about Jaspers.

[tipo4thesoul]

Exodus was teleporting back and forth from Avalon to earth during Fatal Attractions and Bloodties. And like I said, his power set is on marvel.com like it's ALWAYS been.

Jim Jaspers? When he rewrites a universe like Franklin Richards, or alters reality like Wanda did where the world's history is in the palm of her hand and mutants no longer have x-genes, when he's able to break dimensional barriers to alternate worlds like Nate Grey....we can talk about Jaspers.

A version of Jim Jaspers basically destroyed an entire universe.

[The Lucky One]

Jim Jaspers? When he rewrites a universe like Franklin Richards, or alters reality like Wanda did where the world's history is in the palm of her hand and mutants no longer have x-genes, when he's able to break dimensional barriers to alternate worlds like Nate Grey....we can talk about Jaspers.

Uh... he's done all of those things. The difference is, it takes effort and concentration for Frankie and Wanda and Grey to do them -- Jaspers does it effortlessly, on a whim. He warped reality so badly it threatened the omniverse... not one universe, all of them. He doesn't just travese dimensional barriers, he can travel to Unspace, a place where there literally IS no dimension. He rewrites people's genetic codes instantly, casually, with a wave of the hand, and the effects linger on even after he's dead (with the Warpies).

Let me just ask this, honestly: did you actually read the link, or do you just like the idea of dismissing the notion that there's a character you've never read about who vastly outclasses Nate Grey in power?

-D

[Magneto X]

My Exodus:

teleportation - almost unlimited, orbit and back with Acolytes is easy
skill - he was an old school warrior, so Kurt get's smacked down quick
attitude - principled but fanatical, fine with killing but not relishing it, loyal to the survival of mutant-kind
lifeforce vampire - i like this. explains how he brought dead Acolytes back to life.
telekinesis - uber
telepathy - more powerful but less skilled than Emma
strength & durability - i could go either way, i had assumed class 100 but sometimes now he seems to have none, maybe he used telekinesis to fake it.

[Nyssane]

I think Exodus would be more popular if he came out of the closet already.

[jarrod]

skill - he was an old school warrior, so Kurt get's smacked down quick
Kurt's a master fencer, martial artist and acrobat. Him taking down Exodus is certainly questionable, but not in terms of pure hand-to-hand combat experience or ability... if both were powerless, he'd wipe the floor with Exxy no question.

[Swashbuckler]

Yeah, i'm under the impression that a lot of Exodus's powers derive from his mind powers. His durability and strength, even possibly his teleportation in a molecular movement sort of way. I think Emma's combined static, the suprise of Nightcrawler's attack and the extra static of Kurt jaunt, which is known to disorient foes, would be enough to get him out of the fray for a little bit.

[Phil Hunn]

Let me just ask this, honestly: did you actually read the link, or do you just like the idea of dismissing the notion that there's a character you've never read about who vastly outclasses Nate Grey in power?

I'm going to take a wild guess and choose the latter option.

Kurt's a master fencer, martial artist and acrobat. Him taking down Exodus is certainly questionable, but not in terms of pure hand-to-hand combat experience or ability... if both were powerless, he'd wipe the floor with Exxy no question.

Exodus was a Crusading knight for quite some time before he actually became Exodus. I suspect he could kick the crap out of Kurt with no problems whatsoever.

[jarrod]

Exodus was a Crusading knight for quite some time before he actually became Exodus. I suspect he could kick the crap out of Kurt with no problems whatsoever.
Sure, but when was the last time Exy had to actually fight with his hands? Kurt can go hand to hand with Logan or even Claremont Sagebot and not get outright embarrassed... Exodus wouldn't stand a chance. Flawless victoly!

[Magneto X]

Kurt's a master fencer, martial artist and acrobat. Him taking down Exodus is certainly questionable, but not in terms of pure hand-to-hand combat experience or ability... if both were powerless, he'd wipe the floor with Exxy no question.

Depends on what he's trying to do. Kurt has all that but he has no durability. And he wasn't just trying to get a surprise punch in on Exodus, but instead Kurt had to announce himself, leap onto the man, grab him, and teleport twice. Exodus couldn't punch him?

[jarrod]

Depends on what he's trying to do. Kurt has all that but he has no durability. And he wasn't just trying to get a surprise punch in on Exodus, but instead Kurt had to announce himself, leap onto the man, grab him, and teleport twice. Exodus couldn't punch him?
I'm not arguing the the circumstances of that really... but let's be honest, Kurt's taken punches from better men than Exodus. In a hypothetically hand-to-hand match up (sans powers) he wins unquestionably. He's just faster, tougher, smarter and more experienced when it comes to that.

For the scene in question to work though, I think we need a few variables falling exactly in line (the surprise attack circumstances, Emma's interference, Kurt's ports being rough on the system, head slam into ice, etc). It's a stretch I'd say, unlikely even to really pull off, but it's not impossible.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Uh... he's done all of those things. The difference is, it takes effort and concentration for Frankie and Wanda and Grey to do them -- Jaspers does it effortlessly, on a whim. He warped reality so badly it threatened the omniverse... not one universe, all of them. He doesn't just travese dimensional barriers, he can travel to Unspace, a place where there literally IS no dimension. He rewrites people's genetic codes instantly, casually, with a wave of the hand, and the effects linger on even after he's dead (with the Warpies).

Let me just ask this, honestly: did you actually read the link, or do you just like the idea of dismissing the notion that there's a character you've never read about who vastly outclasses Nate Grey in power?

-D

Jim Jaspers did all of those things in the 616 universe? What year? And this Captain Britain villian is impressive to you? WTF? Like I said, he's a nobody in history. Never spoken of. Didn't take much to deal with him. He's a plot device character if I EVER SAW ONE. Hyperstorm>Jim Jaspers the Great.

I'm not arguing the the circumstances of that really... but let's be honest, Kurt's taken punches from better men than Exodus. In a hypothetically hand-to-hand match up (sans powers) he wins unquestionably. He's just faster, tougher, smarter and more experienced when it comes to that.

For the scene in question to work though, I think we need a few variables falling exactly in line (the surprise attack circumstances, Emma's interference, Kurt's ports being rough on the system, head slam into ice, etc). It's a stretch I'd say, unlikely even to really pull off, but it's not impossible.

Better fighter? Do you know were talking about Paris Bennett? You need to read Black Knight: Exodus and the like. Crawler can't even harm Exodus in any sort of physical standing. Carey explained the deal as to keep Exodus saved for another big fight. That's acceptable for now.

[4sake]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/258260-183786-exodus_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/183786-exodus/105-258260/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7511/352260-136992-exodus_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/136992-exodus/105-352260/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/120844-10579-exodus_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/10579-exodus/105-120844/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6799/167943-84274-exodus_large.JPG (http://www.comicvine.com/84274-exodus/105-167943/)

[Aquarius74]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/258260-183786-exodus_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/183786-exodus/105-258260/)


I don't think that the panel with the sword ceremony (Bennet du Paris becoming a knight) is historically correct. During the Third Crusade (from 1189 to 1192), France wasn't ruled by a queen, but by king Philippe II "Auguste". And women, even a queen, didn't have the right to preside at such ceremonies.

That woman (presented like a queen) is also penciled like a Walt Disney fairy. She's nice, anyway, but that wasn't quite the way women were dressed back then. You can check here (http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/argouges/PEDAGOGI/Costume/Moyenage.html). Sorry it's a french page :redface:

[KiplingKat]

I don't think that the panel with the sword ceremony (Bennet du Paris becoming a knight) is historically correct. During the Third Crusade (from 1189 to 1192), France wasn't ruled by a queen, but by king Philippe II "Auguste". And women, even a queen, didn't have the right to preside at such ceremonies.

That woman (presented like a queen) is also penciled like a Walt Disney fairy. She's nice, anyway, but that wasn't quite the way women were dressed back then. You can check here. Sorry it's a french page

Yes, her dress is wildly out of date as well. Nice call on the Disney-ification. I don't think his armor is right either.

But who could make a knight? Well it depended on the queen. I'm trying to find if Elanor of Aquitaine ever presided at the knighthood ceremony (since she kept her own court in Pointers around that time), but later Elizabeth I did take that right onto herself. She saw her sister Mary put that symbol of power in another's hands, a man's hands, and how much it cost Mary's authority to do so, and so at her own coronation wore the sword of state on a baldric and did preside at knight hood ceremonies throughout her reign.

[4sake]

I don't think that the panel with the sword ceremony (Bennet du Paris becoming a knight) is historically correct. During the Third Crusade (from 1189 to 1192), France wasn't ruled by a queen, but by king Philippe II "Auguste". And women, even a queen, didn't have the right to preside at such ceremonies.

That woman (presented like a queen) is also penciled like a Walt Disney fairy. She's nice, anyway, but that wasn't quite the way women were dressed back then. You can check here (http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/argouges/PEDAGOGI/Costume/Moyenage.html). Sorry it's a french page :redface:

Interesting thanks for the info..

[ExodusCloak]

Should he join Wolverine's side during the shism? Might give their side more telepathic power.