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claimtosubclaim

11-28-2007, 04:51 PM

Is there a core X-book that did well without a whiff of his presence or influence?
Just wondering.

Uncanny did just fine sales-wise with his brother and Xavier leading the pack, though I would argue that this is more so due to the attachment of Brubaker to the project than anything else.

1WEBHEAD

11-28-2007, 04:53 PM

I think it's time for Scott Summers to get a solo series and or to go to a team without an X in front of it. I am not a big fan of the character but I would like to see him away from the Xmen to see if he can make me a fan.

Honestly I don't see what a writer can do with Cyclops without his X-men. . . What will it be about?

I think it'd be unneccessary since AXM and Carey's X-men are doing a pretty good job with making Cyke the badass we all know and love.

Toboe

11-28-2007, 04:54 PM

Right now, Cyclops is the X-Men.

thronzeblast

11-28-2007, 04:56 PM

I dont think he needs to get away from the x-men hell in all the time he was with the X-men the only time i have liked him or really "noticed" him much is now.

Faded

11-28-2007, 05:13 PM

Before MC, I really didn't think Cyclops would exist without the X-Men (or have any reason to leave them), but with hints of him doing a lot of things people wouldn't approve of, he could move into the greater MU if he gets as alienated as Professor X is getting right now.

It would be an interesting exercise if there was an good premise behind it.

Cypocalypse_Complex

11-28-2007, 05:58 PM

In my opinion, mini-series stories are just fanservice stories that don't really matter in the grander scheme of things.

At best they can only be used for minor things such as added side stories to a character or untangling twisted plots that he's involved in.

In my opinion, this setting would only work on Logan because he has a 100 years of a lifetime for writers to explore, he's solitary by nature, and he has a solid fan base no doubt.

Other renegade type heroes don't have that much sustainability in having their own solo series as much as him.

Cyke's case is a bit different, he's an A-lister no doubt (while Wolverine has his own separate God level-list level). Add a couple of characters like Jean Grey, etc. to that A-list, and we realize that everyone else becomes a B-lister, hence not that feasible in having a long term solo series.

Cyke is hardly known to brood around, leave the team for vacation, and go somewhere else to introspect, hence it's kinda hard making side stories for him.

He doesn't need solo issues either just to have fanservice badass moments because he does them normally on any core issue, even major crossovers.

Also, if we disregard the other Summerses, his history is pretty much clean and not that convoluted. He doesn't have that much dangling histories that need resolutions.

Shameless Fanboy

11-28-2007, 06:24 PM

I don't really hate Cyclops, but he really isn't my favorite X-Man and I wouldn't touch a solo book featuring him with an optic blast the way he's been depicted lately.

As a leader within the X-Men, he's definitely the man and his command and combat skills are unmatched, but otherwise I find him a bit too self-centered and somewhat spoiled these days. Jean seemed to bring a sense of balance to him, but Emma seems to let him do whatever he wants, including sulk like a baby when things don't go his way.

To me, Cyclops is at his best when he's partnered with someone very different from him--like Wolverine--who not only won't take no mess from him, but can also get him to loosen up.

Oh, I got it now!
"Cyclops & Deadpool", baby, yeah!
:D

Joe Franklin

11-28-2007, 06:28 PM

I think it's time for Scott Summers to get a solo series .

It won't sell well enough for Marvel to publish it.

cyko

11-28-2007, 06:48 PM

Cyke actually had a "icons" 4 issue mini series.

I wouldn`t mind him having another one but I doubt it that it would attract the broader masses.

twilight

11-28-2007, 07:39 PM

Cyclops is the X-Men.

No Cyclops,no X-Men.

-Twi

Brian M.

11-28-2007, 07:40 PM

Cyclops is the X-Men.

No Cyclops,no X-Men.

-Twi

I was coming in to write that.

Twi is right.

Listen.

Brian M aka ___Bynch X telling it like is whether whitey wants to hear it or not.

podmark

11-28-2007, 07:52 PM

Cyclops is the X-Men.

No Cyclops,no X-Men.

-Twi

I must concur.

Monty_Cristo

11-28-2007, 08:02 PM

Cyclops is the X-Men.

No Cyclops,no X-Men.

-Twi

wow you actually said exactly what i wanted to. dammit!

Will.S

11-28-2007, 08:04 PM

Yeah I have a hard time seeing Cyclops as anything but an X-Man the same way Reed can't be anything but a FF character and Cap an Avenger.

xgeek52

11-28-2007, 09:52 PM

he did leave for a bit...it was right after dark phoenix and when ororo defeated him for leadership of the x-men...that was when he met lee forrester and ended up in alaska and met madelyne...

but he is and always will be an x-men and the heir apparent...scott is destined to lead the x-men and run the institute...

and after messiah i think, he'll play a much stronger role...

1WEBHEAD

11-29-2007, 12:27 AM

Yeah I have a hard time seeing Cyclops as anything but an X-Man the same way Reed can't be anything but a FF character and Cap an Avenger.

You have been reading Brubaker's Captain America, right?

Ed was writing an awesome Captain America before #25 and barely even touched anything Avenger-y.

DeniseXfrost

11-29-2007, 02:05 AM

What do you want him to do? Go breed the entire MU and have alternate timelines kids?

worstblogever

11-29-2007, 02:33 AM

Erik Lehnsherr

11-29-2007, 03:21 AM

He's a boring character but I think they got it right with pushing Storm to the top in the other Marvel books. Cyclops can stay stagnant and get this push in MC to see what becomes of him.

Papa Moai

11-29-2007, 07:22 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing him outside the X-Men for a while, but I can't imagine it as a permanent thing. Cyke's theme as a character is the burden of leadership. So unless he was given another team to play overprotective/overbearing big brother to, I doubt that he'd stay away from X-Men for long. Of course since going solo would be such a drastic change to his normal institutionalized life, I would probably enjoy it if it was done well.

jarrod

11-29-2007, 07:36 AM

Uncanny did just fine sales-wise with his brother and Xavier leading the pack, though I would argue that this is more so due to the attachment of Brubaker to the project than anything else.
Uncanny sold the same under Austin and Claremont as with Brubaker, so it seems his prestiege and name is doing little to nothing for sales. If anything, I'd say Brubaker's more dedicated/vocal fanbase seems perfectly happy to just ignore the title by large, probably because it's been somewhat subpar/dissapointing.

That said, the X-Men have done just fine commerically without Scott (under Claremont/Silvestri/Lee for a long stretch in the late 1980s and again under Davis/Claremont/Kubert for awhile in the late 1990s). Satellite books like Excalibur, X-Factor, New Mutants, Generation X, X-Force and others have done pretty well commercially with little to no Scott action contained within, severmind solos for more popular characters like Wolverine or Cable. Really, Cyclops needs the X-Men more than the X-Men need Cyclops imo... he's one of the specific X-Men I can't really see making a place for himself outside the X-books.

LordAllMighty

11-29-2007, 09:34 AM

Really, Cyclops needs the X-Men more than the X-Men need Cyclops imo... he's one of the specific X-Men I can't really see making a place for himself outside the X-books.

I agree with that. Cyke is so ingrained in X-History; I really can't see him not being an X-Man.

Yoshi

11-29-2007, 10:42 AM

I was coming in to write that.

Twi is right.

Listen.

Brian M aka ___Bynch X telling it like is whether whitey wants to hear it or not.

Haha, that was a good one!

rZi

11-29-2007, 11:27 AM

Right now, Cyclops is the X-Men.

Amen!

I can't understand how cyke isn't more popular, i find him really interesting in the choices that he makes and tactics. He really has alot of pressure on his shoulders constantly, kinda like peter parker in some respects. I don't want him to leave the X-books....maybe run a team of non-X characters in a mini, might work well.

all cyked up

11-29-2007, 11:59 AM

The poster who joked about Cyclops and Deadpool actually isn't very far from being onto something. Scott is a great character but he needs someone different to bounce off of. The "Icons" mini-series was SO badly written and drawn it was frightening.
One or two of Morrison's stories that paired Scott and Logan were excellent. A mini-series with just the two of them, exploring their mutual dislike/respect could be a classic in the right hands..

Dagger

11-29-2007, 12:02 PM

I could do without him in the x-men. He's probably one of the most boring characters in the books right now, along with Beast.

Tobias March

11-29-2007, 12:11 PM

To give him a solo book, you'd have to have him spend enough time adventuring alone. Cyke isn't doing that right now. Cable, while in X-Force, was spending time away from the team. Wolvie, in (name team book featuring Wolverine here) still has his loner moments. To let Cyclops do so, he'd have to probably be single (or else he looks bad for not calling to check in with Jean or Emma, depending), and not trying to be the equivalent of a wartime commander.

He's got the chops, but his plate's full enough at the moment.

One narrative possibility could well be Cyclops taking on an important undercover mission away from the X-Men. After all he is recognized as the guy with the vizor - all a writer has to do is acknowledge Whedon's AXM, the vizor comes off and perhaps a haircut later - Mr. InCognito!

Scott putting himself on the line, as a warrior general taking the burden of responsibility for the coming conflicts upon himself, is an interesting direction for the character. There would always be the niggling doubt as to whether he can trust the X-Men to Emma and the increasingly withdrawn Beast as well.

Certainly a change from the other successful solo X-Man, Wolverine, who can leave the Mansion whenever the plot demands by leaving in a huff. I would see a Cyclops series ideally being more like Mystique or Domino's - based around a single mission that takes him on a world tour of sorts.

LordAllMighty

11-29-2007, 12:50 PM

There would always be the niggling doubt as to whether he can trust the X-Men to Emma and the increasingly withdrawn Beast as well.

I highly doubt he would leave Emma in charge of the X-Men.;)

Tobias March

11-29-2007, 12:54 PM

I highly doubt he would leave Emma in charge of the X-Men.;)

Ah, but you see there is narrative conflict! We are talking about the man who married his dead girlfriend's doppelganger after all....

LordAllMighty

11-29-2007, 01:08 PM

Ah, but you see there is narrative conflict! We are talking about the man who married his dead girlfriend's doppelganger after all....

Now see that's just wrong.:D

Phil Hunn

11-29-2007, 03:03 PM

Amen!

I can't understand how cyke isn't more popular, i find him really interesting in the choices that he makes and tactics.

I'm thinking that Cyclops isn't more popular because he's a pretty by-the-book kinda guy, as opposed to a rule-breaking loner type like Wolverine or Gambit. Those guys work because they have Cyclops to bounce off - making Cyclops into a badass sort would miss the point of the character, but it also means that his boy-scout attitude doesn't win him many fans.

Agent_Torpor

11-29-2007, 03:06 PM

He's the "square" of the X-universe. Even Xavier is more of a bad-ass (hot piece of arse like Moira Mactaggart, that's prime game, son) than Scotty.

Anodyne

11-30-2007, 10:36 AM

he did leave for a bit...it was right after dark phoenix and when ororo defeated him for leadership of the x-men...that was when he met lee forrester and ended up in alaska and met madelyne...
Timeline correction. Scott met Lee, then Maddie, after the Dark Phoenix Saga; but his and Ororo's duel came later, after his and Madelyne's son was born. That's why Maddie wanted him to leave the team: so her baby's father would be there for his family.

That was the first time Maddie asked Scott to leave the X-Men. When she met Scott, as far as she knew he'd already left the team. He brought her back with him to attend Logan's wedding, not to rejoin the X-Men. When Maddie accepted his proposal, she was willing to accompany him into deep space if that was what he wanted. It was Scott, not Maddie, who decided--on their honeymoon--that he wanted to settle in Alaska instead of joining the Starjammers. "I want a life, a family--all the things I never had before the X-Men. I want you, Madelyne."

rZi

11-30-2007, 11:09 AM

frog

11-30-2007, 11:26 AM

I'm thinking that Cyclops isn't more popular because he's a pretty by-the-book kinda guy, as opposed to a rule-breaking loner type like Wolverine or Gambit. Those guys work because they have Cyclops to bounce off - making Cyclops into a badass sort would miss the point of the character, but it also means that his boy-scout attitude doesn't win him many fans.

People that play by the rules tend to be viewed as less interesting because they are supposedly rigid and stifling. However, how interesting would it be if everyone is a maverick? There has to be steady dependable characters in the books to ground the others. I have sympathy for those that have to be the ones to keep everything from becoming chaos.

Plus, how much more interesting when the ever-predictable person ends up doing the unexpected!

frog

11-30-2007, 11:26 AM

He's the "square" of the X-universe. Even Xavier is more of a bad-ass (hot piece of arse like Moira Mactaggart, that's prime game, son) than Scotty.

It's hip to be square.

Brian M.

11-30-2007, 11:40 AM

He's dependable.

Omega Alpha

11-30-2007, 11:58 AM

Scott doesn't need lines to scream at other people or kill villains to be badass. He is the best there at what he does. Did you read X-men: First Class this week? He is more badass there, in a Marvel Adventures type of book, than any of the "too cool for school" types, and it's not even his coolest moment of the year. :cool: Heck, not even his most badass moment of the month.

He's the "square" of the X-universe. Even Xavier is more of a bad-ass (hot piece of arse like Moira Mactaggart, that's prime game, son) than Scotty.

Yeah, Scott is known for not having incredibly hot chicks throwing themselves at him, specially when they are telepaths.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

11-30-2007, 12:26 PM

Square ain't a bad way to sum Cyke up, but I'd rather go for "Hardcore Librarian" if you must throw in a somewhat depreciative word in it.

Old school hardass still is my fav, but oh well.

frog

11-30-2007, 12:27 PM

Square ain't a bad way to sum Cyke up, but I'd rather go for "Hardcore Librarian" if you must throw in a somewhat depreciative word in it.

Okay, now you're in trouble. Go to the back of the class.

Layla knows the truth. Librarians rule.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

11-30-2007, 12:30 PM

Now, what? :D

I don't actually think little of librarians. Some people just make the word association with 'boring', eh.

jarrod

11-30-2007, 12:32 PM

Karma is like a thousand times more hardcore than Cyclops. <3 <3

frog

11-30-2007, 12:34 PM

Some people just make the word association with 'boring', eh.

Yes, I'm aware of that unfortunate association. However, the perception is usually held by the same sort of people that hold pride in being uninformed. :evilsmile

DarthCyclopsRLZ

11-30-2007, 12:40 PM

Yes, I'm aware of that unfortunate association. However, the perception is usually held by the same sort of people that hold pride in being uninformed. :evilsmile

Eh. Don't worry, I don't have much respect for the "books are boring" motif.

frog

11-30-2007, 12:48 PM

Eh. Don't worry, I don't have much respect for the "books are boring" motif.

Cool.

(character limit compensation)

xgeek52

11-30-2007, 01:07 PM

you're right anodyne...i stand corrected...

acutally i remembered when i re-read my post...

and omega has point...scott has always been the best at what he does -- he's a leader and whenever it comes time to leveling a mountain (and he has) he'll level a mountain...

there are some who think scott summers ain't a bad ass...

but who leads the x-men...