GLC #18 Yat vs. PRIME (Spoilers ahoy)

[General Grievous]

Here goes.

They Fight in the sky
intense
They fight in the water
intense
They fight in a nuclear reactor(lead) (a weakness to daxamites)
intense
They fight in catacombs of some sort
intense

Lots of Flashbacks to sodam yat's childhood which leads up to him getting a GL ring.

He pokes Prime in the mouth with a spike, PRIME says yum and keeps pounding on Yat.

Prime just doesn't get tired and keeps battering and punching yat,

Yat gets a goood few hits in, but Prime wins.

John and guy fly towards Prime while Prime has Yat in his arms, and says *who's next*?

Prime is bloody badass. that's all

jamal igles flashback art was nice,

Gleason knocked this issue out of the park

[General Grievous]

In this weeks Teen titans,

supergirl see's an explosion in the orbit,

sean mckeever just confirmed that it's a leftfield tie in nod to the sinestro corps war:)

cool

[Samuraixsithlord]

damn they really weakened the Ion entity didn't they. As long as Yot isn't dead he could come back in the next issue and beat Prime. Just like Rocky 2

[General Grievous]

damn they really weakened the Ion entity didn't they. As long as Yot isn't dead he could come back in the next issue and beat Prime. Just like Rocky 2

Yat was never gonna win,

it's PRIME we are talking about here:D

[slapstickinitiative]

Geeze for all the harping here on how potent the green lantern energy is...sure as hell didn't do anything against a superman type.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Did they just like forget how powerful the Ion Entity is? If i'm not mistaken the Ion and Parallax entities are nearly on par with the Spectre. It sounds like Yot didn't use his new abilities to the fullest and just rushed in and started pounding on Prime.

Hopefully they'll fight again in the next issue and Yot will kick butt

[Raker616]

Boy for the first time it sounds like this was a bad issue of Sin Corps War that is not good, Yat should have wiped the floor with Prime in this issue I hope that something big is going down in GL #25 to save this.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Boy for the first time it sounds like this was a bad issue of Sin Corps War that is not good, Yat should have wiped the floor with Prime in this issue I hope that something big is going down in GL #25 to save this.


me to. It sounds like Yot wasn't using all his powers and just went in swinging.

[ShaggyB]

Did they just like forget how powerful the Ion Entity is? If i'm not mistaken the Ion and Parallax entities are nearly on par with the Spectre. It sounds like Yot didn't use his new abilities to the fullest and just rushed in and started pounding on Prime.

Hopefully they'll fight again in the next issue and Yot will kick butt

ION/PARALAX arent on par with Spectre. They may have been back before IC... but not now. Paralax feats before IC were basically time travel through hypertime and near omnipotence. He then relights the sun and dies. Then in Rebirth Specter basically cast Paralax and Hal off himself and hal then splits from paralax. Paralax is then promptly beat by hal and his little buddies.

Ion is shown when kyle basically over exerts himself and taps into the power. He aparently can do the same things that paralax could but instead relights the lantern battery and revives the gaurdians. (as babies)

He then is not seen until near the end of IC when jade dies and the powers ion gave her return to kyle thus causing him to become ion again. (see his feats in ION mini) (never got the impression he was as powerful as ion before IC, he doesnt do much)

Paralax Kyle. Notice he does barely anything to prove he has power in the Sinestro corps war.

So to me i'd say Paralax/Ion are the best a sinestro corps/Green lantern can be. Ie all the power of the S.corps/GL.corps respectfully. So basically all the will power in the GL created ?Ion the whale and now Yat has that as his power. So a one man army as it were.

Superboy Prime just spanks him because its not enough.

But again Pre Infinite Crisis Ion / Paralax powers have not been shown to still exist. The closest thing was Kyle reanimated his dead mom. But she was glowing green in that if he stopped trying to shed just die, she tells him to let go, he does and she passes on.

Sorry to say this but Ion & Paralax arent near the level of Spectre any more. Id like to see Prime vs Spectre because i dont know if Spectres "magic" would effect him.

[BYC]

Has everybody forgotten how ridiculous PC-Kryptonians are? I know this isn't Rumbles, but they tend to slaughter just about everything using speed blitz, insane strength, insane durability, and insane power overall. They juggle planets and solar systems with ease. It's really no contest. We're basically talking about a character who was created before Crisis reset everybody's power levels. In a matter of speaking, Prime is basically born a cheat code. To beat him, you need to know the code :D

[livin_target]

ION/PARALAX arent on par with Spectre. They may have been back before IC... but not now. Paralax feats before IC were basically time travel through hypertime and near omnipotence. He then relights the sun and dies. Then in Rebirth Specter basically cast Paralax and Hal off himself and hal then splits from paralax. Paralax is then promptly beat by hal and his little buddies.

Ion is shown when kyle basically over exerts himself and taps into the power. He aparently can do the same things that paralax could but instead relights the lantern battery and revives the gaurdians. (as babies)

He then is not seen until near the end of IC when jade dies and the powers ion gave her return to kyle thus causing him to become ion again. (see his feats in ION mini) (never got the impression he was as powerful as ion before IC, he doesnt do much)

Paralax Kyle. Notice he does barely anything to prove he has power in the Sinestro corps war.

So to me i'd say Paralax/Ion are the best a sinestro corps/Green lantern can be. Ie all the power of the S.corps/GL.corps respectfully. So basically all the will power in the GL created ?Ion the whale and now Yat has that as his power. So a one man army as it were.

Superboy Prime just spanks him because its not enough.

But again Pre Infinite Crisis Ion / Paralax powers have not been shown to still exist. The closest thing was Kyle reanimated his dead mom. But she was glowing green in that if he stopped trying to shed just die, she tells him to let go, he does and she passes on.

Sorry to say this but Ion & Paralax arent near the level of Spectre any more. Id like to see Prime vs Spectre because i dont know if Spectres "magic" would effect him.

I thought it had more to do with the amount of energy that parallax/ion had absorbed. When parallax was doing stuff like rewriting the universe, he had absorbed pretty much the whole of the central battery on Oa, and when Kyle got the power of Ion for the first time, he also got whatever energy was remaining of that and ultimately decided to recreate the battery. What we're seeing now is the power level of parallax/ion without the power of the central battery.

[Will.S]

Did they just like forget how powerful the Ion Entity is? If i'm not mistaken the Ion and Parallax entities are nearly on par with the Spectre. It sounds like Yot didn't use his new abilities to the fullest and just rushed in and started pounding on Prime.

Hopefully they'll fight again in the next issue and Yot will kick butt
While I think this thread is premature considering new releases come out tomorrow, it definitely looks like a case of inexperience vs raw power.

DC writers haven't really done a good job with making the Ion entity out to be a powerful power source whatsoever. It's almost a non-factor and that's a little sad compared to the old Kyle Ion which I think was a different Ion from the entity we saw extracted from Kyle in the Sinestro Corps special.

[superion]

I thought it had more to do with the amount of energy that parallax/ion had absorbed. When parallax was doing stuff like rewriting the universe, he had absorbed pretty much the whole of the central battery on Oa, and when Kyle got the power of Ion for the first time, he also got whatever energy was remaining of that and ultimately decided to recreate the battery. What we're seeing now is the power level of parallax/ion without the power of the central battery.

Yep Ion and Parallax were as powerful as they were because they pretty much had all the Gl/Guardian energy. Also Parallax increased his power even more by going into the time stream and absorbing chronal energy prior to zero hour.

By themselves Parallax and Ion are not that powerful.

[ShaggyB]

I thought it had more to do with the amount of energy that parallax/ion had absorbed. When parallax was doing stuff like rewriting the universe, he had absorbed pretty much the whole of the central battery on Oa, and when Kyle got the power of Ion for the first time, he also got whatever energy was remaining of that and ultimately decided to recreate the battery. What we're seeing now is the power level of parallax/ion without the power of the central battery.



DC writers haven't really done a good job with making the Ion entity out to be a powerful power source whatsoever. It's almost a non-factor and that's a little sad compared to the old Kyle Ion which I think was a different Ion from the entity we saw extracted from Kyle in the Sinestro Corps special.


Yep Ion and Parallax were as powerful as they were because they pretty much had all the Gl/Guardian energy. Also Parallax increased his power even more by going into the time stream and absorbing chronal energy prior to zero hour.

By themselves Parallax and Ion are not that powerful.


Thats why when i saw Prime stare at Yat i went "man i wonder how long he will last because prime just shrugged off all the jla/jsa/Titans/outsiders and just about every DC Earth based hero". It wasnt a question of would Ion Yat beat Prime it was a question of how long would he last. He cant beat Prime. Its not gonna happen in a one on one. Perhaps if he had showed up about 10 minutes before Prime got fully powered hew could have helped. Now hes just a fly that Prime gets to swat. (hes a big fly though lol)

[gunz]

wow, you gotta give it to dc, having prime escape the ultraverse and join the S-corps was genious........;)

in all seriousness, i wasn't expecting prime to win, so how they end this war is reallyup in the air for me and i'm really excited to see the conclusion. johns and morrison are seriously the only ones that should right a d.c comics right now (and dini when he dosen't have to crossover with anything)

[Will.S]

in all seriousness, i wasn't expecting prime to win, so how they end this war is reallyup in the air for me and i'm really excited to see the conclusion. johns and morrison are seriously the only ones that should right a d.c comics right now (and dini when he dosen't have to crossover with anything)
I don't think we'll ever see a DC character take him on by themselves and win unless they were on his level. Especially with him and Alex being the main enemies behind the last Crisis. Usually it takes either some extreme plot device (going through a red sun) or some actual honest to goodness team work from everyone to take him out.

The Green Lantern Corps have that in spades so given that it's a GLC event they'll most likely have Hal, Kyle, John, Guy, Kilowag, The Guardians, and Ion/Sodom Yat combine forces to beat Superman Prime.

[marshal99]

Yep Ion and Parallax were as powerful as they were because they pretty much had all the Gl/Guardian energy. Also Parallax increased his power even more by going into the time stream and absorbing chronal energy prior to zero hour.

By themselves Parallax and Ion are not that powerful.

All it comes down is the dumb concept of yellow fear monster & the green energy whale is stupid. By themselves , they are not powerful and yet previously they were all powerful because they were energies themselves with the GL/guardian energy when Hal/Kyle absorbed them ?!

[Carter Hall]

So hang on, is this week's GL Corps issue going to be the Prime/Yat Ion fight? I thought that was going to take place in a new Tales of the Sinestro Corps issue and this week's GL Corps was going to be a Sinestro Corps epilogue (released this week because Green Lantern 25 was delayed). So has this week's issue been adjusted to be the next part of the Sinestro Corps War story?

[Carter Hall]

Oh, just saw the content of the other thread. Nevermind.

[MaxofSteel]

I really want to see KC Supes throw down with Superman-Prime. What do you folks think are the chances of this happening? Does the current JSA arc even coincide with the Sinestro Corps war at all? :confused:

[ShaggyB]

I really want to see KC Supes throw down with Superman-Prime. What do you folks think are the chances of this happening? Does the current JSA arc even coincide with the Sinestro Corps war at all? :confused:

id say the chances are very high that youll see Prime vs Kingdom Come Supes. Although i predict Prime kills his third Superman........

KC supes is strong but hes not E2 strong and Prime took him down.

I predict Prime finds his "Perfect Earth" and once he does he discovers himself but grown up the way he should have. Enraged he fights himself and wins because Earth Prime post COIE isnt the same as Pre COIE and therefor Prime good isnt as strong. During this battle a way to stop him is devised and Prime is taken down after killing himself.

although itd be more likely he kills his good self then enraged sets out to destroy the multiverse again and is defeated just before he destroys it all.

[Samuraixsithlord]

KC supes is strong but hes not E2 strong and Prime took him down.


Earth-2 is probably the weakest superman so far. He had to be like 60 before his body absorbed enough solar energy to fight the modern age superman who's like half his age. KC Superman is stronger the both of them, JSA Flash even said he was as fast as Wally.

[Eclips0]

THis fight was a PIS nightmare. Ion is on par with Parallax, Parallax knocked out Superman in one punch. Add to that the fact that Sodom is a daxamite and on par with a normal superman. This really shoudl've been a one page fight. It's seems like they are trying to make Superboy Prime into PC Supes as far as powerlevel. Even then Ion Sodom should make short work of him.

[Angelo2113]

I'd kind of like to see Barry Allen come back to defeat Prime. Prime might actually be afraid of Barry since he has a Flash-phobia. Only disadvantage would be that if he read the comics about the Flash, Prime will know how Barry thinks.

[Captain Smith]

Parallax (Hal) had absorbed most of the Guardian's power. Sodam-Ion hadn't - the Guardians are up and around. Not the same power level.

Prime may or may not be vulnerable to the major magic users (I'm not clear on that). Thus, Mxy, the Spectre, Earth-2 (Nabu-original Kent) Dr. Fate could take him if he has a magic vulnerability. Remember that the Spectre laughed off PC Supes at full power.

[ShaggyB]

THis fight was a PIS nightmare. Ion is on par with Parallax, Parallax knocked out Superman in one punch. Add to that the fact that Sodom is a daxamite and on par with a normal superman. This really shoudl've been a one page fight. It's seems like they are trying to make Superboy Prime into PC Supes as far as powerlevel. Even then Ion Sodom should make short work of him.

Let me ask you this then. When did Paralax punchout superman in one shot (Im pretty sure that was pre Infinite Crisis and wasnt on the current "New Earth" DCU)

Hal paralax of old was a completely different paralax than fear monster paralax that we see now (in that the power levels are way different)

[ShaggyB]

Prime may or may not be vulnerable to the major magic users (I'm not clear on that). Thus, Mxy, the Spectre, Earth-2 (Nabu-original Kent) Dr. Fate could take him if he has a magic vulnerability. Remember that the Spectre laughed off PC Supes at full power.

Prime is immune to Magic from any Universe besides Earth Primes, he also has no Kryptonite weakness accept to Earth Prime Universes Kryptonite.

Hes basically superman gone nuts with no weaknesses accept red sun light wont power him and can drain him. Oh yeah and hes at the power level that superman was pre COIE. Ie moves planets with ease, fastest most powerful thing in the galaxy.

[Eclips0]

Let me ask you this then. When did Paralax punchout superman in one shot (Im pretty sure that was pre Infinite Crisis and wasnt on the current "New Earth" DCU)

Hal paralax of old was a completely different paralax than fear monster paralax that we see now (in that the power levels are way different)

Ion has access to the full powers of the Guardians and the Green Lantern Corps.

He IS what pre-IC Parallax was. Add to that his power as a daxamite and he should be able to take out Superboy Prime.

[crimson red]

id say the chances are very high that youll see Prime vs Kingdom Come Supes. Although i predict Prime kills his third Superman........

KC supes is strong but hes not E2 strong and Prime took him down.



Actually, the ONLY reason Prime beat E2 Superman was because both of them were powerless after flying through a red-sun. It was like a teenager beating up a 60 old man. Then the mid 30s dude clocked the teenager.

[ShaggyB]

Actually, the ONLY reason Prime beat E2 Superman was because both of them were powerless after flying through a red-sun. It was like a teenager beating up a 60 old man. Then the mid 30s dude clocked the teenager.

lol funny and true

[ShaggyB]

Ion has access to the full powers of the Guardians and the Green Lantern Corps.

He IS what pre-IC Parallax was. Add to that his power as a daxamite and he should be able to take out Superboy Prime.

No he doesnt. The gaurdians were dead before which is why hal/kyle had access to there powers. last i checked they are all still alive

[Captain Smith]

If Prime is immune to all magic, why then did Mxy say if he had his act together, he could take on Prime? One could argue that Myx is pan-universal and thus could have been in the Earth-Prime universe - although never seen there.

Also, how can Yat have all the powers of the Guardians if they are functional and the GLs have power, that wasn't true of the old Parallax?

What does that stupid whale do anyway?

[Eclips0]

No he doesnt. The gaurdians were dead before which is why hal/kyle had access to there powers. last i checked they are all still alive

Yes but as they told kyle when he was Ion, he has the ability to access all of their power if need be.

Also if Kyle is no longer Ion, what happened to the Starheart power he absorbed from Jade?

[Samuraixsithlord]

Finally read it. I'm not to worried about Yot, he'll be up and kicking in #25. If he spent enough time fighting instead of reflecting on his past he'll stand a chance

[Samuraixsithlord]

I mean he didn't even use his Ion abilities. All i saw was him using his Ring and His Daxamite abilities

[NotSuper]

Earth-2 is probably the weakest superman so far. He had to be like 60 before his body absorbed enough solar energy to fight the modern age superman who's like half his age. KC Superman is stronger the both of them, JSA Flash even said he was as fast as Wally.
Actually, by the time of the first the first Crisis, the Earth-2 Superman was almost as powerful as the pre-Crisis Earth-1 version. He could move planets and everything. He probably struggled against the post-Crisis Superman because of the whole mind-melding deal they went through.

But regardless, Kal-L is stronger than the post-Crisis Superman (who, technically, no longer exists, since New Earth replaced post-Crisis). Even Power Girl seems to be back to her Earth-2 power levels, as she didn't even need air to survive in Brave and the Bold (Earth-2 Kryptonians, once they tapped into their solar powers, didn't need oxygen to survive).

[HotRod_Tim]

The entire issue is just this one, intense battle (as well as flashbacks to Yat's origins) that went everywhere. Air, sea, land, and below ground even, Prime and Yat fought everywhere possible. Although Ion was played down a bit this ish, most likely considering Yat's newbieness, he showcased why he should wear that title.

I loved the way Tomasi handled this issue by the way. For coming in and having the start of your run on GL Corps be the epic battle between Superman-Prime and Sodam Yat, Peter Tomasi knocked it outta the park. He had each of the main players on lock and made their battle not only intense, but made you feel it personally also. Excellent start and I can't wait to see how he does with the rest of the Corps.

And last but definitely not least, Patrick Gleason, who has been blowing me away with his Sinestro Corps work continues to deliver page after page of pure awesomeness.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Actually, by the time of the first the first Crisis, the Earth-2 Superman was almost as powerful as the pre-Crisis Earth-1 version. He could move planets and everything. He probably struggled against the post-Crisis Superman because of the whole mind-melding deal they went through.

But regardless, Kal-L is stronger than the post-Crisis Superman (who, technically, no longer exists, since New Earth replaced post-Crisis). Even Power Girl seems to be back to her Earth-2 power levels, as she didn't even need air to survive in Brave and the Bold (Earth-2 Kryptonians, once they tapped into their solar powers, didn't need oxygen to survive).


They didn't seem to have a mind-meld prblem from what i read. KC Superman was able to throw off Power Girl and a bunch of other JSA member while Starman increased his gravity by 100x and then was able to move as fast as Wally

[Eclips0]

Also if Kyle is no longer Ion, what happened to the Starheart power he absorbed from Jade?

[NotSuper]

They didn't seem to have a mind-meld prblem from what i read. KC Superman was able to throw off Power Girl and a bunch of other JSA member while Starman increased his gravity by 100x and then was able to move as fast as Wally
They did mind-meld in the Superman titles. Both Kal-L and Kal-El lived a version of the other's life in their heads. Basically, Kal-L was put in the post-Crisis world while Kal-El was put on Earth-2. They both did things differently and both suffered bad outcomes in their dual delusions.

[CYOTI]

They didn't seem to have a mind-meld prblem from what i read.
Yes they did, the three issue Kal-L vs Kal-El fight in Superman, Action Comics and Adventures Infinite Crisis Tie-In had them experiencing each other lives through their individual schemas. It apparently happens when two similar individuals from different universes meet, which is why Power Girl's powers went out of control when she was in contact with Supergirl, why Luthor went insane when Alex first emerged from his exile since the first crisis.

[Tazirai]

Has everybody forgotten how ridiculous PC-Kryptonians are? I know this isn't Rumbles, but they tend to slaughter just about everything using speed blitz, insane strength, insane durability, and insane power overall. They juggle planets and solar systems with ease. It's really no contest. We're basically talking about a character who was created before Crisis reset everybody's power levels. In a matter of speaking, Prime is basically born a cheat code. To beat him, you need to know the code :D

Basically. Im ready for super/boy/man/lad/kid or whatever he is to go. He isnt badass cuz he beats everybody up. He's Just Pre-crisis cheat coded. Kal-L shoulda been able to solo whup that ass, seeing as how he was pre-crisis also. But Superboy is the sephiroth of comics I guess.

[Eclips0]

No way is he as cool as Sephiroth.

[BlackCalvinist]

.....waiting for Sodam Yat to revive.

Everyone forgets....the reason Superman-Lite wiped the floor with him up to the last page is because he got ran through with lead. That took a lot of his ring's power away to keep the lead poisoning from progressing.

[Tazirai]

No way is he as cool as Sephiroth.

I never said seph was cool.

[Eclips0]

Hopefully the ring gets the poison out of his system, cause Lead kills Daxamites very very fast.

[Eclips0]

And Sephiroth is extremely cool for the record.

[ShaggyB]

Also if Kyle is no longer Ion, what happened to the Starheart power he absorbed from Jade?

Well that would be the Whale itself apparently. Kyle only got Ion back when he absorbed jades powers. Remember the starheart was essentially an internal green lantern ring.

Thats just my theory though, truthfully it hasnt been said what exactly the link between getting jades powers and ion the whale have to do with each other.

[Slyfer]

Superman Prime is such a badmother...damn

[Lex]

This was a decent issue. The fight was... well... a fight. I was more interested in the characterization that Tomasi built up in those flashbacks. I liked how deep he got into Sodam's character. It was interesting how he characterized Daxam as a planet whose society is based on fear and how Sodam is the only person on the planet who overcame it and deserved a GL ring.

[Ender]

Well that would be the Whale itself apparently. Kyle only got Ion back when he absorbed jades powers. Remember the starheart was essentially an internal green lantern ring.

Thats just my theory though, truthfully it hasnt been said what exactly the link between getting jades powers and ion the whale have to do with each other.


I alway's theorized that the Ion entity came into being because when the Starheart met the GL power the two were reunited since the Starheart was the magic of Oa banished. When they were brought together again the power was whole.

Also Yat never stood a chance against to SMP, never. Why anyone ever thought he did is beyond me.

[Mike Smash!]

This was a decent issue. The fight was... well... a fight. I was more interested in the characterization that Tomasi built up in those flashbacks. I liked how deep he got into Sodam's character. It was interesting how he characterized Daxam as a planet whose society is based on fear and how Sodam is the only person on the planet who overcame it and deserved a GL ring.I hadn't made that connection, but that's an excellent observation!

[Mike Smash!]

Superman Prime is such a badmother...damnShut yo' mouth!

[Captain Smith]

Prime remembers the Silver Age Supes - that's why he seems to regard everyone else as fake.

Wonder if SilverS might be waiting in the wings. He could reappear and take him to some pocket dimension where they could live ...

Oh, NO!

[botch]

damn they really weakened the Ion entity didn't they. As long as Yot isn't dead he could come back in the next issue and beat Prime. Just like Rocky 2

why do you keep calling him Yot. It's Sodam 'Yat'.

[botch]

Has everybody forgotten how ridiculous PC-Kryptonians are? I know this isn't Rumbles, but they tend to slaughter just about everything using speed blitz, insane strength, insane durability, and insane power overall. They juggle planets and solar systems with ease. It's really no contest. We're basically talking about a character who was created before Crisis reset everybody's power levels. In a matter of speaking, Prime is basically born a cheat code. To beat him, you need to know the code :D

They should use Noob Saibot from Mortal Kombat. he's cool.

[botch]

Earth-2 is probably the weakest superman so far. He had to be like 60 before his body absorbed enough solar energy to fight the modern age superman who's like half his age. KC Superman is stronger the both of them, JSA Flash even said he was as fast as Wally.

KC Superman is just the older Modern Superman, he's old enough that he's absorbed more solar energy.

Then again they always made it seem like Supes wouldn't age.

[botch]

THis fight was a PIS nightmare. Ion is on par with Parallax, Parallax knocked out Superman in one punch. Add to that the fact that Sodom is a daxamite and on par with a normal superman. This really shoudl've been a one page fight. It's seems like they are trying to make Superboy Prime into PC Supes as far as powerlevel. Even then Ion Sodom should make short work of him.

do you even read the comics man? Superboy Prime HAS pre crisis powers. meaning he can move planets, far more powerful than the normal modern superman.

[TuPeT]

do you even read the comics man? Superboy Prime HAS pre crisis powers. meaning he can move planets, far more powerful than the normal modern superman.

I think even a Pre-Crisis Superman couldn't beat Hal Parallax, but for what that matter, Ion is not in the same level of Parallax. Hal had all the power of Oa and everything, like all lanterns in one (that's what I've been reading, and there's a good chance of me being wrong), Ion is a great force entity but not as powerfull as was Jordan Parallax.

And Yat hasn't developed his full power yet. But damn that Prime is strong, It's a great character, dispite some acts like "What, boys can't cry?". :D

2007 was the year of the Lanterns, 2008 is the year of Superman and Batman. It will be a hell of a year!!! DC is on fire!

[Slaughter]

I think even a Pre-Crisis Superman couldn't beat Hal Parallax, but for what that matter, Ion is not in the same level of Parallax. Hal had all the power of Oa and everything, like all lanterns in one (that's what I've been reading, and there's a good chance of me being wrong), Ion is a great force entity but not as powerfull as was Jordan Parallax.

And Yat hasn't developed his full power yet. But damn that Prime is strong, It's a great character, dispite some acts like "What, boys can't cry?". :D

2007 was the year of the Lanterns, 2008 is the year of Superman and Batman. It will be a hell of a year!!! DC is on fire!


I disagree. PC Superman could move planets, LOTS OF PLANETS. Sure, Hal Parallax was VERY powerful (destroyed and remade the universe) but let's not forget that Ollie took him out because the dumba$$ forgot to put a shield up. Yeah, he decked Superman with one punch, but that's PC Superman we're talking about, it's another level. And Superman was weaker around that time, nowdays he would put a good fight against Hal.

I believe Yat was defeated due to his rookieness and impulsive actions. Going melee on Prime without FULLY-POWERED Kryptonian powers is stupid. Even Superman can't deck Prime, why Mr. Superman-Wannabe thinks he can do that? He should've used his powers to kill Prime instead of going Rocky on him. I believe Superman with the Ion power could've done it.

[botch]

They did mind-meld in the Superman titles. Both Kal-L and Kal-El lived a version of the other's life in their heads. Basically, Kal-L was put in the post-Crisis world while Kal-El was put on Earth-2. They both did things differently and both suffered bad outcomes in their dual delusions.

i dont think post crisis supes in the golden age world was a bad delusion, his intentions were fine. he was not wrong at all.

[Ender]

No way. Yat never ever stood a chance, it waas false hope and a total inability to learn from the past for the Guardians.

SBP as mentioned is PC powered and has used that power to defeat the entire Corp, another PC powered character, plus our Superman, plus Powergirl, Martian Manhunter..at the same time. He was only subdued after a very elaborate plan that included a living planet traveling to another star system and in order to weaken him he needed to be pushed through a sun. On top of that when not even at full power he defeated 3 Kryptonians and two Martians along with a collection of earth best heroes. Yat when not even equal to one Kryptonian then challenged him with the aid of the Ion power. And Ion power that is that in name only, it is not the Ion of old. This Ion power is not godlike its really just, as used, a Lantern with a limitless power supply.

The only player on the field right now with a chance to take SBP is the Anti-Monitor, assuming he's at his old PC levels which he very well may not. He could be an entirely new entity.

[Surtur]

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Ion-power get owned, and owned hard. If I was those other GL's watching Prime fly up with Yat's battered body in my hand, I'd be crapping my pants. Dude carved a frickin tombstone for the guy while he was still fighting him.

Favorite part was "yumm..uranium" you know Prime has lost it when you see him chewing uranium.

[Ender]

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Ion-power get owned, and owned hard. If I was those other GL's watching Prime fly up with Yat's battered body in my hand, I'd be crapping my pants. Dude carved a frickin tombstone for the guy while he was still fighting him.

Favorite part was "yumm..uranium" you know Prime has lost it when you see him chewing uranium.

What everyone should take from the issue is that Prime is a grade "A" butt kicker and that he not only can talk the talk but he can walk the walk, with authority.

[Eclips0]

I really hope Superboy Prime gets offed in Final Crisis.

[Ender]

I really hope Superboy Prime gets offed in Final Crisis.

Hallmark of a great villain.

[Tazirai]

I really hope Superboy Prime gets offed in Final Crisis.

same.. kinda tired of that kid.

[Eclips0]

I don't see him as a great villian, he's like a big spoiled brat with lots of power. Maybe if they didn't make him so whiny.

[Corrina]

What everyone should take from the issue is that Prime is a grade "A" butt kicker and that he not only can talk the talk but he can walk the walk, with authority.

Well, if you're not snickering at his Sidney Whiplash dialogue, that is.

[Ender]

Well, if you're not snickering at his Sidney Whiplash dialogue, that is.

Me, I let his words shape my opinion and his power shape my respect his actions shape my desire to see him blown into a million tiny parts. Nothing is more satisfying then seeing a total jerk baby like him go down I enjoy everything I don't like about him.

[botch]

No way. Yat never ever stood a chance, it waas false hope and a total inability to learn from the past for the Guardians.

SBP as mentioned is PC powered and has used that power to defeat the entire Corp, another PC powered character, plus our Superman, plus Powergirl, Martian Manhunter..at the same time. He was only subdued after a very elaborate plan that included a living planet traveling to another star system and in order to weaken him he needed to be pushed through a sun. On top of that when not even at full power he defeated 3 Kryptonians and two Martians along with a collection of earth best heroes. Yat when not even equal to one Kryptonian then challenged him with the aid of the Ion power. And Ion power that is that in name only, it is not the Ion of old. This Ion power is not godlike its really just, as used, a Lantern with a limitless power supply.

The only player on the field right now with a chance to take SBP is the Anti-Monitor, assuming he's at his old PC levels which he very well may not. He could be an entirely new entity.

Batman can take on Superman-Prime. Batman has a plan for everything. Noob Saibot can beat him too.

[botch]

What everyone should take from the issue is that Prime is a grade "A" butt kicker and that he not only can talk the talk but he can walk the walk, with authority.

you can say 'asskicker' here, we are all adults. they say ti in the comics too.

[botch]

I just hope Yat doesn't die.

Obviously the four earthmen will be the downfall of Superboy Prime.

I just hope Kyle gets to destroy something.

[crimson red]

Man I really wish I can read this issue. Sucks living in Germany with no access to good "timely" comics after the "incident"...

[Ender]

you can say 'asskicker' here, we are all adults. they say ti in the comics too.

I'm just so used to filters and rules at the other places that I post more frequently.

[stealthwise]

I hate Superman Prime, but not in a "love to hate" kind of way. I guess that's the intent here, as everyone really seems to want him to just die. Kind of like a bad pro wrestling heel, you see him take out some jobbers, some old vets, and a few mid-carders-to-main eventers, and you can't wait until he's taken down and then goes away, hopefully forever.

This issue was ok, given that it was just a big stupid brawl that was mixed in with trying to give Yat some kind of motivation or personality that he lacked previously. Personally, I'd love to see John Stewart and Guy Gardner take down Superman Prime, but I know that's unlikely to happen.

On another note: Anyone notice that if you say his name altogether, Sodam Yat is somewhat like "sodomite"?

[Jack Zodiac]

This was the worst issue of Green Lantern Corps I've read since it was launched. I didn't care about Sodom Yat when he was just some faceless name in a great story by Alan Moore, and I was barely interested in him when they started tossing his name around issues and issues ago while they were building up to this realization of the Empire of Tears prophecy. When he finally showed his face and started barking orders at vets like he knew something, I was expecting him to be some incredible Daxamite general who really deserved a Green Lantern ring, but all he turned out to be was some punk kid who "overcame great fear" by pretending he was as mindless and afraid as the rest of his people while he built some Radio Flyer spaceship to escape his mean parents.

I could see him being the most fearless person on his planet like that, but in all of his space sector? I'm sure there was some sentient fungus with some kind of rebellious attitude who deserved a Green Lantern ring more than him. And then they bestowed upon him the powers of Ion! This great, magical willpower beast that made an artistic genius like Kyle a demi-god among the Corps, and all he does with it is punch and kick Super!@#$-Prime until he finally gets his worthless ass beaten.

They could've done something with the character, but at this point, if he's dead, great. If he's not, even better, they can give him a standard uniform and shuffle him back to the newbie section and save him for the next time they need to kill off some "important" Corpsmen; but the last thing he deserved to be was Ion, and hopefully they'll either give it back to Kyle or lock it away in the Battery with Parallax come the end of this.

Yeah, this was, by far, the weakest issue of the series and the weakest part of the "Sinestro Corps War" crossover.

[Ian J.N.]

When he finally showed his face and started barking orders at vets like he knew something, I was expecting him to be some incredible Daxamite general who really deserved a Green Lantern ring, but all he turned out to be was some punk kid who "overcame great fear" by pretending he was as mindless and afraid as the rest of his people while he built some Radio Flyer spaceship to escape his mean parents.
I have to agree. I liked the origin in and of itself, but thus far Yat has been portrayed as a tactician, soldier and leader of men. He's been depicted as an alpha male, a veritable hurricane of courage and will. Suburbanite kid with a telescope wistfully dreaming of the stars? Man, that's seven brands of awful. The purpose of an origin story is to reinforce the themes of the character while explaining why he is the way he is. Except for explaining why Sodam got a ring, this origin does nothing. They should have saved this story for a character better suited to a xenophobia/tolerance theme.

[spidervenom]

I agree that sodam yat just went in just throwing blows. He didnt use his ion powers, which let to his defeat since a fullly powered daxamite cant win against superman prime. If he mixed and matched his ion and daxam powers, he could have won.

[botch]

Man I really wish I can read this issue. Sucks living in Germany with no access to good "timely" comics after the "incident"...

you mean the one starting with D and ending with emonoid.

[botch]

I have to agree. I liked the origin in and of itself, but thus far Yat has been portrayed as a tactician, soldier and leader of men. He's been depicted as an alpha male, a veritable hurricane of courage and will. Suburbanite kid with a telescope wistfully dreaming of the stars? Man, that's seven brands of awful. The purpose of an origin story is to reinforce the themes of the character while explaining why he is the way he is. Except for explaining why Sodam got a ring, this origin does nothing. They should have saved this story for a character better suited to a xenophobia/tolerance theme.

I disagree, the first pages of the issue show he is a hardcore Soldier, doing what's right, basically the Optimus Prime of Green Lanterns. And how he rose above the xenophobia of his own planet and family to do what's right, that justice and righteousness were above family, blood etc.

[MaxofSteel]

id say the chances are very high that youll see Prime vs Kingdom Come Supes. Although i predict Prime kills his third Superman........

All I really want to see is an epic scene where "Supermanboy"-Prime celebrates his victory as the jerk of all jerks, only to turn around and see KC Supes coming right at him:

Superman-Prime: :eek: !? Kal... KAL-L!?!?

KC Supes: NO...:evilangry

*POW*

KC Supes: GET OFF THIS UNIVERSE.

:D

(Except, I'm not sure how that dialogue would work in a verbal sense seeing as how "Kal-L" sounds exactly like "Kal-El" :p)

[Jack Zodiac]

I disagree, the first pages of the issue show he is a hardcore Soldier, doing what's right, basically the Optimus Prime of Green Lanterns. And how he rose above the xenophobia of his own planet and family to do what's right, that justice and righteousness were above family, blood etc.

But why? And how? Why is he such a good soldier and how did he get this good if his entire life consisted of wide-eyed dreaming, mental conditioning, and minor rebellion before becoming a Green Lantern less than a year ago? And how did he go from such a great tactician a few issues ago, leading vets around Ranx to stop the Sinestro Corps from destroying Mogo, to slobberknocking with Superboy-Prime instead of using his brain and his ring to beat the schmuck? It's disappointing.

[stealthwise]

But why? And how? Why is he such a good soldier and how did he get this good if his entire life consisted of wide-eyed dreaming, mental conditioning, and minor rebellion before becoming a Green Lantern less than a year ago? And how did he go from such a great tactician a few issues ago, leading vets around Ranx to stop the Sinestro Corps from destroying Mogo, to slobberknocking with Superboy-Prime instead of using his brain and his ring to beat the schmuck? It's disappointing.

Yeah, there's definitely some gaps in the story there that we're not privy to, and I hope that he can pull it together and redeem himself. Well, not him, but hopefully Gibbons can do it and have it all come together and make sense.

[Jack Zodiac]

Isn't Gibbons off the book, now? I thought Tomasi was taking over.

[MaxofSteel]

But why? And how? Why is he such a good soldier and how did he get this good if his entire life consisted of wide-eyed dreaming, mental conditioning, and minor rebellion before becoming a Green Lantern less than a year ago?

I always assumed Yat was just a natural at the gig. He was born with the ability to be good at what he does. It isn't impossible for a person in any trade or task to be exceptional at it from the get-go.

That's just my reasoning for it. :/

[Jack Zodiac]

And that'd be great, if it was an integral part of his character, but it was completely thrown away here. So now the one thing he had before they gave him a developed backstory and reasoning for his personality is gone, and the backstory we got instead isn't really all that interesting.

[stealthwise]

Isn't Gibbons off the book, now? I thought Tomasi was taking over.

What? Damn, no wonder this issue was kind of a shit sandwich. If it continues like this, I'll be dropping it soon.

[Jack Zodiac]

What I'm holding out hope on is that it'll feel completely different once the crossover's finished.

[stealthwise]

Champagne should be writing it, that Corpse story was tight, and had a fresh feel and tone to it. Not that I want all of the GLC stories to be that dark, but I really liked the style he brought to it.

[Smokeyjay]

I don't see him as a great villian, he's like a big spoiled brat with lots of power. Maybe if they didn't make him so whiny.

I like how he's like a spoiled kid...its something new.

He's got the mentality of a 7 year old kid with Pre-crisis powers. Thats kind of scary.

Theres no control with him.

[Jack Zodiac]

Well, I think most of Gibbons' stories have been pretty dark, too. This series has been pretty graphically violent, but for some reason it fits more than crazy stupid violence does in Justice Society. But yeah, the "Corpse" story was awesome, and I hope they let Keith do something with that again sometime.

[Angelo2113]

Well now since we know that the Anti-Monitor couldn't defeat Yot when he wasn't even Ion pretty much tells us Prime is gonna make the Anti-Monitor bow to him. I can't wait to see that.

[Ian J.N.]

I always assumed Yat was just a natural at the gig. He was born with the ability to be good at what he does. It isn't impossible for a person in any trade or task to be exceptional at it from the get-go.
No, but you'd expect to see related attributes and skills, and some causal agent of the talent, be it environmental, cultural or genetic. An idealistic dreamer, science-oriented, with no apparent social connections, raised in an excessively peaceful society--that's as far removed from tactically-minded combat leader as you can get. They could've at least made the alien a military expert and done an Abbé Faria (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/montecristo/characters.html) kind of thing.

Sorry to rant. It's just that I thought Sodam Yat was awesome, and now he is not.

[Will.S]

But why? And how? Why is he such a good soldier and how did he get this good if his entire life consisted of wide-eyed dreaming, mental conditioning, and minor rebellion before becoming a Green Lantern less than a year ago? And how did he go from such a great tactician a few issues ago, leading vets around Ranx to stop the Sinestro Corps from destroying Mogo, to slobberknocking with Superboy-Prime instead of using his brain and his ring to beat the schmuck? It's disappointing.
He's not that great of a tactician.

He got a couple of GL's killed in GLC when they were up against the Anti-Monitor because he was being so cocky and careless. All this issue shows as well as the other previous ones is that he shows promise and that he's confident in his abilities but he doesn't come off as being experienced right off the bat so there's a learning curve that he has to go through.

Now I don't know why he didn't use the Ion power all that much when he had lots of things going for him but he put up a fight better than anyone has so far, especially on his own.

[ShaggyB]

I just hope Yat doesn't die.

Obviously the four earthmen will be the downfall of Superboy Prime.

I just hope Kyle gets to destroy something.

Nah im betting prime gets super charged somehow and just goes "ehhh this is boren i have better things to do"

[Bob-el]

Sorry to rant. It's just that I thought Sodam Yat was awesome, and now he is not.

That covers the whole thing in one sentence.

My reaction was a Daxamite with a power ring was an awesome idea. Now in the first real test of the character, the Guardians let him get blind-sided by the lead weakness and Prime beats the crap out of him. Now he's just another second tier powerhouse.

And that's a shame because the GLC could use a character that generates enthusiasm. Hal is my favorite but they ran out of new things to do with him ages ago which is why we got Kyle. Kyle is clearly the most imaginative of the Corps but has a self-doubt quality that always limited my ability to embrace him. Stewart is okay but lacks that extra something and the less I say about Guy the better. That leaves only Kilowog as a real standout among the GLs. All the rest are at the same level of okay but not exciting. Yat had the potential but this issue squanders it.

They will need to do something tremendous with him to restore what they wasted. Almost any resolution to the Sinestro Wars at this point is going to seem rushed and contrived. Instead of looking forward to it, I'm expecting to be disappointed.

[4thHorseman]

Thought this issue was pretty much crap. The fight was pretty one sided for the most part. What a shame, I was expecting so much, and Superman Prime pretty much wiped the floor with Ion.

[NotSuper]

Nah im betting prime gets super charged somehow and just goes "ehhh this is boren i have better things to do"
Yep. Prime doesn't care about Sinestro or his mission, he's just using them to achieve his own goals. When Prime shed his Sinestro Corps outfit and revealed his Superman costume underneath, that was basically him saying that "this is who I really am."

One of the things I like about Prime is how he destroys people's expectations of him. People thought Deus Ex Ion had his number, but Prime instead owned him in every way possible.

[ShaggyB]

I'm really shocked so many people thought Prime would loose to Ion. Ion is just a one man army version of a green lantern. Even in the last Ion trade, with kyle as ion, he didnt do anything overly impressive and it was what a 12 issue arc.... Id think they had the time to define his power set and he wasnt much more than an over powered GL.

So Yat is a Superman who also an over powered GL. Prime is an overpowered superman from pre crisis that could wipe the floor with all the Gls, Superman, Earth 2 supes, And both Martians Man hunters at the same time. I think he can take Ion in a one on one.

[marshal99]

The fact that we have seen Prime after his involvement in the sinestro war would suggest that he won't be defeated and captured. He will probably escaped at the end of it since DC apparently have big plans for him in final crisis.

[ShaggyB]

The fact that we have seen Prime after his involvement in the sinestro war would suggest that he won't be defeated and captured. He will probably escaped at the end of it since DC apparently have big plans for him in final crisis.

like i said earlier, i think hes just gonna get board of kicking the hell out of the Green Lantern Corps or they will causes him to get into his overpowered state then he'll just leave because he has better stuff to do

[JoeCool]

I thought this was a great issue and do not understand all the Superman-Prime hate on here.

Yeah, he is a whiny kid, but that is life. People in life whine, take a look around and look at some of your own posts.. they are whiny!!

SP is a REAL and BELIEVABLE super-villan. Not a mad scientist or a arch villan looking for world (universe domination). Not some crazy leader looking to rule the masses....

Just a MESSED up kid who got screwed over (lost his world, everything he loves) and went BESERK because of it.

What is wrong with that??

[Alex L]

That covers the whole thing in one sentence.

My reaction was a Daxamite with a power ring was an awesome idea. Now in the first real test of the character, the Guardians let him get blind-sided by the lead weakness and Prime beats the crap out of him. Now he's just another second tier powerhouse.

And that's a shame because the GLC could use a character that generates enthusiasm. Hal is my favorite but they ran out of new things to do with him ages ago which is why we got Kyle. Kyle is clearly the most imaginative of the Corps but has a self-doubt quality that always limited my ability to embrace him. Stewart is okay but lacks that extra something and the less I say about Guy the better. That leaves only Kilowog as a real standout among the GLs. All the rest are at the same level of okay but not exciting. Yat had the potential but this issue squanders it.

They will need to do something tremendous with him to restore what they wasted. Almost any resolution to the Sinestro Wars at this point is going to seem rushed and contrived. Instead of looking forward to it, I'm expecting to be disappointed.

I'm rather partial to Sorarik Natu, myself.

But yeah, for the Sinestro War to conclude in the next issue -- man, that's gonna take some doing and not have it feel rushed.

[Jack Zodiac]

I thought this was a great issue and do not understand all the Superman-Prime hate on here.

Yeah, he is a whiny kid, but that is life. People in life whine, take a look around and look at some of your own posts.. they are whiny!!

SP is a REAL and BELIEVABLE super-villan. Not a mad scientist or a arch villan looking for world (universe domination). Not some crazy leader looking to rule the masses....

Just a MESSED up kid who got screwed over (lost his world, everything he loves) and went BESERK because of it.

What is wrong with that??

It's a sucky idea that sounds even suckier when it's explained like that? "Hey, let's turn a metatextual angry comic nerd into a supervillain and have him deconstruct our universe in a totally lame and unfun way while making some sort of stupid ass point about fans being responsible for the way comics are written because we can't own up to our own creative failures! How post-modern!"

[NotSuper]

I thought this was a great issue and do not understand all the Superman-Prime hate on here.

Yeah, he is a whiny kid, but that is life. People in life whine, take a look around and look at some of your own posts.. they are whiny!!
It IS kind of funny how fans call Prime a "whiner' and then proceed to whine about him. But what's even more funny is when they develop brutal ways for him to die, not realizing that they sound just like Prime himself.

It's almost like fanboys are in love with their own outrage.

[Eclips0]

Part of my outrage comes form the fact that Superboy P is at the power level Darkseid should be at. And he's not even half as interesting a villian as DS.

[Smokeyjay]

Part of my outrage comes form the fact that Superboy P is at the power level Darkseid should be at. And he's not even half as interesting a villian as DS.

Maybe not, but most ppl don't want Darkseid to be beaten.

The majority of people can't wait for SBP to be beaten up.

[enediol]

Didn't really do much for me other than prove that a Green Lantern can't hang with a Superman. I don't think I needed an issue of some unknown Ion getting his ass kicked.

Glad to see Superman Prime winning again though!

[Will.S]

It's a sucky idea that sounds even suckier when it's explained like that? "Hey, let's turn a metatextual angry comic nerd into a supervillain and have him deconstruct our universe in a totally lame and unfun way while making some sort of stupid ass point about fans being responsible for the way comics are written because we can't own up to our own creative failures! How post-modern!"
Heh, I can't say that the idea of Superboy/Superman Prime ever cut me that deep.

[Exslade ZX]

Hmm...one thing that stuck out to me is that the lead didn't kill Sodam. (I don't really know my Daxamite history, but from the Superman issue a few months ago with Mon-el in the phantom zone, that suggests the smallest contact with lead will kill one)

The green Lantern ring protected him. so this leads me to the question, or statement, Superman could just get Mon-el a Green Lantern Ring...

He wouldn't even have to give him one, just get somebody else to remove the lead poisoning from him or something. I know this really has nothing to do with the issue, but when the lead was first mentioned, that was the first thing I thought of.

[Samuraixsithlord]

I'm really shocked so many people thought Prime would loose to Ion. Ion is just a one man army version of a green lantern. Even in the last Ion trade, with kyle as ion, he didnt do anything overly impressive and it was what a 12 issue arc.... Id think they had the time to define his power set and he wasnt much more than an over powered GL.

So Yat is a Superman who also an over powered GL. Prime is an overpowered superman from pre crisis that could wipe the floor with all the Gls, Superman, Earth 2 supes, And both Martians Man hunters at the same time. I think he can take Ion in a one on one.


People thought that Ion would beat Prime because he'd use his Ion gifted abilities. The Ion entity allows the bearer to call on and channel all the powers of the Central Power Battery as well as the Green Lantern Corps and the Starheart if i'm not mistaken. I read Green Lantern Corps #18 three times and not once did Yat use his abilities to full potential. He just used his Power Ring and Daxamite abilities.

[Mon-el]

Hmm...one thing that stuck out to me is that the lead didn't kill Sodam. (I don't really know my Daxamite history, but from the Superman issue a few months ago with Mon-el in the phantom zone, that suggests the smallest contact with lead will kill one)

The green Lantern ring protected him. so this leads me to the question, or statement, Superman could just get Mon-el a Green Lantern Ring...

He wouldn't even have to give him one, just get somebody else to remove the lead poisoning from him or something. I know this really has nothing to do with the issue, but when the lead was first mentioned, that was the first thing I thought of.

Thats an interesting Theory. One I've heard questioned before.

For example like this: Since Superboy travels to the future and has Brainy discover a anti-lead serum that finally breaks down in the future, and has to be put back into the Phantom Zone, and then gets free again.

Simply put, Why didnt Superboy take the serum back in time to free Mon-El then, when he was a boy?

I think it's a more of a tragic backstory for Mon-El if he spent 1,000 years in the Phantom Zone, observing.

Anotehr Note: Matthew E has an interesting theory as well over at Legion Abstract. Since their are apparently 2 Mon-El's running around the Dc Universe at the moment.

http://legionabstract.blogspot.com/2007_08_28_archive.html

Theirs the one from WAK's Legion that has met Supergirl while once freed from the Mekt Ranzz Wanderer's to help be the link in the Dominator's Destruction that was supposedly from the Action Comics #11 Annual. Because he obviously states that he met Kara before and Superman too. Again this serum didn't work and he's once again stuck in the Phantom Zone.

but............

Their's also Mon-El from the preboot that's reappeared (due to the Statue at the Fortress being with the Legion) since the Lightning Saga and appearing in the Action Comics arc now "Whatever Happened to the Legion of Super-Heroes." I'm really not trying to debate the topic "originals" or not, it's not a topic I really want to discuss. I'm really excited about what happened in the Lightning Saga and in the Action arc right now. (And yes it's been a story I've been wanting to read for over 20 year's).

I'm sure everything will be cleared up after the Action arc and in time for the Legion's 50th Anniversary.

[Samuraixsithlord]

I'm really shocked so many people thought Prime would loose to Ion. Ion is just a one man army version of a green lantern. Even in the last Ion trade, with kyle as ion, he didnt do anything overly impressive and it was what a 12 issue arc.... Id think they had the time to define his power set and he wasnt much more than an over powered GL.

So Yat is a Superman who also an over powered GL. Prime is an overpowered superman from pre crisis that could wipe the floor with all the Gls, Superman, Earth 2 supes, And both Martians Man hunters at the same time. I think he can take Ion in a one on one.


People thought Ion would win because Ion has the ability to channel and control the powers of the Central Power Battary and the Starheart, This coupled with Yats Daxamite abilities should have made him Very powerful. I don't remember right off hand but i'm pretty sure the central power battary alone has alot of energy. All Yat did was use his Ring and Daxamite abilities

[rZi]

Being a superboy-prime fanboy i can't believe my issue only arrived today!

My thoughts;

The battle kinda played out the way i thought it would but the use of the graveyard was a nice creepy touch.

Although i knew this issue was going to touch on sodam's past i didn't like that aspect...it was men to be a reflection to the tales of the sinestro crops: Super-man prime special in the sense that it brought us the background of origin and what has happend to them upto the curret issue.

Seriously...how awesome does prime look in the final panel? Ive fell in love with the way he has dressed now. The emblem on his chest looks so much more darker than his frankly disasterous black suit he's sporting in countdown, yuck.

Bring on GL #25

[Taskmaster]

I just couldn't have cared less about this fight, bring on John and Guy!

[BoosterBronze]

Seriously...how awesome does prime look in the final panel? Ive fell in love with the way he has dressed now. The emblem on his chest looks so much more darker than his frankly disasterous black suit he's sporting in countdown, yuck.

Bring on GL #25

Except that Prime's emblem is a SCAR, not a perfectly drawn superman logo taped to his chest. I can't see him sitting in his cell at the center of the sun carefully making all of the corners perfect.

It needs to look nastier.

[rZi]

Except that Prime's emblem is a SCAR, not a perfectly drawn superman logo taped to his chest. I can't see him sitting in his cell at the center of the sun carefully making all of the corners perfect.

It needs to look nastier.

By dressed i ment the lower half of the superman outfit, obviously a scar isn't what i class as a form of dress. And different artisists draw thes S symbol differently...some do look alot more ruggered as it was in sinestro corps war one-shot, but i do agree that it should never look neat altough looking back at the scene in which it took place it is drawn rather neatly by jiminez.

[drwho]

What a misleading cover on this book? Too bad Super Whine didn't get his butt handed to him. I did like seeing Sodam's background and dc going into some of the practices of the Daxam culture. Hopefully there will be bigger things for Sodam in the future. He seems like a pretty resourceful character with a good head on his shoulders and strong mind. The battle scenes were decent just wish the artist was better.

[snoopafly]

I also found it interesting that Sodam didn't die from the lead poisoning. But i bet this is DC's way of solidifying him as Ion, since the poisoning is probably permanent and Ion is the only thing that is keeping him from ultimately dying - so now he HAS to stay as Ion in order to stay alive.

But i think the only reason he lost was because all of a sudden he was equipped with all this brand new power and just didn't know how to use it effectively. Like some people have said..inexperience versus raw power/anger.

Also, I think if Prime didn't talk so much he would be a MUCH more menacing villain. If he just acted as a cold blooded and efficient killer...he would be such an awesome villain.

[Alex L]

People thought Ion would win because Ion has the ability to channel and control the powers of the Central Power Battary and the Starheart, This coupled with Yats Daxamite abilities should have made him Very powerful. I don't remember right off hand but i'm pretty sure the central power battary alone has alot of energy. All Yat did was use his Ring and Daxamite abilities

True... but with Kyle-Ion, he was still the last Green Lantern and could tap 100% of the power.

Now, the GLC is back and the power is split 7200+ ways. He can probably still tap into a significant chunk of the energy, but hardly 100% of it.

And like everyone's saying, he's still a rookie. We've seen GL's do all sorts of stuff with rings -- he likely isn't able to think of much yet beyond energy blast.

[BoosterBronze]

I just now realized that I really like Yat's Ion costume. The simple reversed color scheme made it seem fresh and exciting, yet classic.

I still dislike Yat, but the costume is pretty sharp.

[Samuraixsithlord]

True... but with Kyle-Ion, he was still the last Green Lantern and could tap 100% of the power.

Now, the GLC is back and the power is split 7200+ ways. He can probably still tap into a significant chunk of the energy, but hardly 100% of it.

And like everyone's saying, he's still a rookie. We've seen GL's do all sorts of stuff with rings -- he likely isn't able to think of much yet beyond energy blast.


I'm pretty sure he can tap into all of it, but the Green Lanterns wouldn't be able to charge their rings. Remember the rings only have a finite energy source and the power battaries are connections to the central power battary. So the Central Power Battary doesn't "split" its power between Lanterns like the Nova Corps in Marvel and since the power of the green lantern corps is pretty much limitless based on the willpower of the person channelling it.

If Yat had focused and not acted like a rookie he may have made things hard for Prime.

[Mike Smash!]

Also to give Yat some credit, he was totally unused to having either the Ion power or his Daxamite power when he fought Prime. He couldn't focus as well and used a lot of powers like heat vision reflexively rather than intelligently.

Had he been more experienced with both, I think he could have defeated him. Remember that even with his loss, he still bloodied Prime badly. That's a feat in itself.

[NotSuper]

Had he been more experienced with both, I think he could have defeated him. Remember that even with his loss, he still bloodied Prime badly. That's a feat in itself.
I don't think he could've won no matter what he did--and I think the Guardians knew this. It's my theory that the Guardians just used Yat to buy the GLC some more time. This would be in-character for such pragmatic beings, no matter how immoral it might seem to some of us.

To be honest, Prime could just push the Earth into the sun if he wanted to. There's no way Yat by himself could do anything equal to that. I also doubt he's as fast as Prime, who has the same level of speed as the Flashes.

[SemiNerd]

haha this was great. SBP wiped his ASS with Ion, I am very pleased.

[The Joker]

I don't think he could've won no matter what he did--and I think the Guardians knew this. It's my theory that the Guardians just used Yat to buy the GLC some more time. This would be in-character for such pragmatic beings, no matter how immoral it might seem to some of us.

To be honest, Prime could just push the Earth into the sun if he wanted to. There's no way Yat by himself could do anything equal to that. I also doubt he's as fast as Prime, who has the same level of speed as the Flashes.
I can buy that.

I think Prime in some ways, underestimated Yat to a certain extent. But nothing that would have swayed the fight in more towards Yat's favor. Prime is simply too powerful of a character (Pre-Crisis powers and all) for Yat/Ion to defeat single handedly. Sorry, that's just wasnt going to happen. The theory of the guardians buying the GLC some time, and likely some attack plan as well, by sending their new Ion in battle with Prime does make sense in the grand scheme of things.