X-Men #205 (Messiah CompleX chapter 5): (not)Sexy Summary, Spoilers, Discussion!

[claimtosubclaim]

How freaking hard is it to understand that the baby is just a damn mutant baby?

Most of us understand just fine. Well, those of us who have read the interviews, anyway. As w/ ProfeZZor X's post, hypothetical circumstance and making actual assumptions are not one and the same. People should be free to bring up hypothetical circumstances regarding a fictional franchise.

[Omega Alpha]

Something that left me al WTF is why wasn't Emma on Cerebra helping the team?

Because Cerebra is broken?

How freaking hard is it to understand that the baby is just a damn mutant baby?

Forget it, people will still say it regardless of knowing otherwise, and then will complain because Marvel tricked them into thinking it was the rebirth of Jean Grey.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Because Cerebra is broken?

Now would be the good the time to make an ADD joke or something, right?


Forget it, people will still say it regardless of knowing otherwise, and then will complain because Marvel tricked them into thinking it was the rebirth of Jean Grey.

Although they haven't in any of the interviews.

"Interesting theory but I can't comment on it, eh." isn't quite "OMG, you figured it all out!!! YAY!!!"

[Charybdis4]

Fabulous issue - loved, loved, loved the art. Thank the lord Ramos wasn't here, what with his wonky-chinned men & hip replacement women.

Nice to see the X-Men actually being pro-active. Loved it when Nightcrawler took Exodus out of the picture, but Warren.......great idea trying to talk Sinister into surrendering. Perhaps he could have got his wallet out & offered him a cheque to leave the baby alone & to give them back Rogue.

All credit to Carey for actually making me start to like Cable. I've hated that guy for years & in the last couple of months (or however long its been) I've changed my opinion.

Great issue.

[RickyD410]

If that group shot w/ Bobby, Sam, Warren, Theresa, and Monet gets some good beats in 206, then I will be one happy camper.
I think they must. Cus Ramos does the art for the ish before 206, and it looked like the team was just being set up. Which means we'll actually see them in action in 206!

[Sentou Ryoku]

Hi-Fiii, what did you think of hot ass Unuscione and Frenzy DPing Colossus?

They're gonna have a better chance to double team Colossus now that he's held captive...haha

[ZNOP]

Loved it when Nightcrawler took Exodus out of the picture.

And, just how the hell did he do that?!?

[RickyD410]

And, just how the hell did he do that?!?

Teleported him to a mountain somewhere.

[Jarath]

I wish Bachelo could draw all the x-men comics, I absolutely LOVED the art in this issue. Annoyingly I didn't manage to get to the comic shop last week and today the shop was sold out of New X-Men so I have a whole in the first 5 issues of this crossover :( I'll get it next week with issue 6 though.

In all I really liked this issue, the fight with the marauders was all over the place, but in a good way. The sentinel thing is interesting, want to know what is going on there.

I knew there was something about what cable said when he died and I was right, Cable has not always seen eye to eye with the methods of the x-men since he thinks he knows more than they do so it will be fun to see what will happen with they collide on the baby issue.

Another great Carey and Bachelo team-up imho.

[Toboe]

Because Cerebra is broken?

Damn, I had totally forgotten about that. It makes sense now...

Carey has also made me sort of like Cable. That bastard.

[ZNOP]

Teleported him to a mountain somewhere.


Hmmmm? And, Exodus being a telepath and a teleporter, didn't know it was comming and or didn't just teleport right back? That's odd.

[creaky]

Carey has also made me sort of like Cable. That bastard.

There's just something about a grizzled guy with a huge gun in one hand and a baby in the other. :)
I guess now a lot of pouches come in handy. Diapers, baby powder, baby bottle...

[Sentou Ryoku]

I'm still wondering how Scalphunter missed the back of Kurt's head...

[claimtosubclaim]

Hmmmm? And, Exodus being a telepath and a teleporter, didn't know it was comming and or didn't just teleport right back? That's odd.

Telepathy? Emma's blocking it. As for teleportation, the writers are probably ignoring that aspect of his powers in the same way Warpath's flight powers are being ignored.

[Faded]

I agree, the art was stunning

Mind if I use one of those Nightcrawler avatars Faded?

Of course not!

You guys don't have to ask! :)

[creaky]

I'm still wondering how Scalphunter missed the back of Kurt's head...

I assumed Kurt just got lucky (well, relatively so at least) and moved just in time?

[ZNOP]

Telepathy? Emma's blocking it. As for teleportation, the writers are probably ignoring that aspect of his powers in the same way Warpath's flight powers are being ignored.

Well, Wikipedia states... "Writer Ed Brubaker has said that he chose not to depict Warpath's flight power because he didn't understand how Warpath's speed and strength would allow it."

Abilities: Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, durability, senses, and Flight. Trained in armed and unarmed combat.

I, think someone said. "Awww, hell no! All he's missing is Heat/X-Ray vision and Super breath" Heh:D

[Pro]

As for teleportation, the writers are probably ignoring that aspect of his powers in the same way Warpath's flight powers are being ignored.

That's kinda like ignoring Flyboy's powers of flight. Exodus' name is largely based on his ability to teleport people to the promised land so to speak.
It wasn't the best part of the story and i think it was just forgotten that he can teleport.

[claimtosubclaim]

That's kinda like ignoring Flyboy's powers of flight. Exodus' name is largely based on his ability to teleport people to the promised land so to speak.
It wasn't the best part of the story and i think it was just forgotten that he can teleport.

Touche. Still, I think it's better that they ignore some aspects of his powers (same w/ anyone else who just has a gargantuan plethora of A-grade powers like Sinister and Monet), otherwise every fight would end within a few seconds.

[CmX]

Hmmmm? And, Exodus being a telepath and a teleporter, didn't know it was comming and or didn't just teleport right back? That's odd.

Yeah it was kinda generic how easily Kurt took out Exodus. But maybe it was just a lucky shot. ;)

Besides there was a lot of turmoil at the time of the battle and the X-Men were being protected against psionic assaults courtesy of Emma.

[CmX]

Damn, I had totally forgotten about that. It makes sense now...

Carey has also made me sort of like Cable. That bastard.

Carey made a lot of characters likeable. Lady Mastermind, Karima, Cable, Gambit.

I love how he writes Gambit's dialogue it's so smooth and cool.

[ZNOP]

Touche. Still, I think it's better that they ignore some aspects of his powers (same w/ anyone else who just has a gargantuan plethora of A-grade powers like Sinister and Monet), otherwise every fight would end within a few seconds.

LMAO. I had to read Monet's Bio again... She's Marvel's version of Supergirl now

[Zombienorthstar]

Haha, the one time the X-Men are sensible enough to leave a squad at home to protect the mansion and kids, and the kids run away!

Brilliant.

[Post-It]

You guys think that maybe Exodus wasnt "taken" out, but chose not go all out?

This is the guy who tried to wipe out the High Evolutionary and his Knights for being what he considered abominations as they were not pure mutants, he would prob lump Sinister in the same category. The only reason he teamed with Sinister was that Sinister said he could help. What if now that the baby is born Exodus feels that he no longer needs his help and is now merely pretending to follow Sinister for the time being? Maybe he has some other motive.

It would be what Sinister did to Apoc for so many years. Karma is a bitch after all.

[CyberHubbs]

I figured that Kurt's teleportation left Exodus disoriented and then a quick punch stunned him. The battle probably took just a few minutes, if even that much, but that gave the X-Men an opportunity to exploit it.

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if this is how it plays out: During his brief "death", Cable realizes that there are two possible futures that can come from the baby's birth. If it ends up in the hands of the X-Men then, yes, the mutant population recovers BUT eighty years down the road they're all in the internment camps that Layla and Madrox's dupe discovered. The reason that the other dupe hasn't been shown yet, though, is that he discovers a future utopia that came about because, say, maybe the Purifiers and/or Sinister took the baby.

Cable is trying to stall the future from coming about. Either one.

[Slung]

LMAO. I had to read Monet's Bio again... She's Marvel's version of Supergirl now

She's always had all those powers. Her mutation is perfection. So she is beautiful, genius-level girl with all of her human faculties dialed up to then nth degree. I don't like her being a full-blown telepath. I liked it better when Lobdell wrote her as having vague psychic abilities.

[Affinity]

I wish Ann Nichols could remind me what 9MM fluter hollowpoint was.

[Pro]

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if this is how it plays out: During his brief "death", Cable realizes that there are two possible futures that can come from the baby's birth. If it ends up in the hands of the X-Men then, yes, the mutant population recovers BUT eighty years down the road they're all in the internment camps that Layla and Madrox's dupe discovered. The reason that the other dupe hasn't been shown yet, though, is that he discovers a future utopia that came about because, say, maybe the Purifiers and/or Sinister took the baby.

Cable is trying to stall the future from coming about. Either one.

I mentioned this before but i think something similar is going on, albeit slightly different from your view.
I think the two futures we'll see are:

1.Mutant race saved but in internment camps. Controlled growth of mutant race but at least saved from extinction.
2.Mutant race saved but growing too fast in numbers and wiping human society out in the process. Mutant utopia yes, but a dystopia for the remaining humans.

In both cases it is the result of a mutant-human war. I think what will tear the x-men apart post-MC is the choice between those two futures: are they willing to let their race prosper over the backs of the humans or choose the road that will lead to their incarceration in mutant internment camps? Which side of the war will they be on?

I think Madrox and Layla will run into the person who ensured future 1 would come true and he will explain why he/she did what he did.

[DeniseXfrost]

Haha, the one time the X-Men are sensible enough to leave a squad at home to protect the mansion and kids, and the kids run away!

Brilliant.
OMG this post make laughed so hard :D

[CyberHubbs]

I mentioned this before but i think something similar is going on, albeit slightly different from your view.
I think the two futures we'll see are:

1.Mutant race saved but in internment camps. Controlled growth of mutant race but at least saved from extinction.
2.Mutant race saved but growing too fast in numbers and wiping human society out in the process. Mutant utopia yes, but a dystopia for the remaining humans.

In both cases it is the result of a mutant-human war. I think what will tear the x-men apart post-MC is the choice between those two futures: are they willing to let their race prosper over the backs of the humans or choose the road that will lead to their incarceration in mutant internment camps? Which side of the war will they be on?

I think Madrox and Layla will run into the person who ensured future 1 would come true and he will explain why he/she did what he did.

The only problem I see with a mutant-human war is that it would have to crossover into the rest of the MU. World War M. Cyclops says hell with it, takes the baby and leads the charge into a mutant dominated future. It isn't quite evil, but rather a bold attempt at salvaging their race that IS seen as dastardly by the Avengers and whatnot. At the same time, its all coming true that mutants would eventually become the dominant species and the humans do have something to fear, their own extinction. Everyone is fighting for their own survival, no more middle ground to hope for. Just preservation.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Thank god Bachalo was back to provide the best art yet seen on MC.

I still hate Cable, tho!

[rwsmith]

It's okay. Cable hates you too.

[Fatguy]

OMG great issue, best MC issue yet.

I love you Bachalo....I love you.

[tipo4thesoul]

Haha, the one time the X-Men are sensible enough to leave a squad at home to protect the mansion and kids, and the kids run away!

Brilliant.

Don't forget, the mansion is smashed also.

The X-Men failed hard in this issue, on all fronts.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I haven't seen Bishop in a while, but did anyone else notice that he was wearing the costume Joe Mad designed way back around Uncanny #340?(This may be old news- haven't read the entire thread)



i bet they are going to use him and throw him away like they used quicksilver in house of m and subsequently into x-factor, a second tier x-men team at worst

fixed. :D
X-Factor rules.


People already mentioned the issue here, just look for it, can't remember the page, though.


X-Men #200, right? If I remember correctly, either Gambit or Sunfire said it to Cable right before they "killed" him.

[Post-It]

Don't forget, the mansion is smashed also.

The X-Men failed hard in this issue, on all fronts.

I just wanna know were they get the money to constantly rebuild the mansion? Do they have a mansion building fund the way some churches have church building fund? Bake sales? I mean I know Warren is rich but can he afford to constantly rebuild it?

[Slung]

I just wanna know were they get the money to constantly rebuild the mansion? Do they have a mansion building fund the way some churches have church building fund? Bake sales? I mean I know Warren is rich but can he afford to constantly rebuild it?

They have supervillian insurance. No, really - its an insurance policy in the MU. Sally Ford talks about it in Frontline.

[CyberHubbs]

I just wanna know were they get the money to constantly rebuild the mansion? Do they have a mansion building fund the way some churches have church building fund? Bake sales? I mean I know Warren is rich but can he afford to constantly rebuild it?

Xavier has a lot of private backers also, I think. He's got money and resources all over the place.

[Slung]

Xavier has a lot of private backers also, I think. He's got money and resources all over the place.

And Emma gets a lot of money from her tricks...

Ermm...Investments. I meant investments!!

*Emma fans begin sharpening their diamond weapons, pulling out their Butter Rum riding crop whips, and putting their underwear on top of their outerwear in preparation for retribution*

[claimtosubclaim]

Through businesses, patents, and inheritance, several of the X-Men are wealthy enough to consistently invest in the institute.

[tunasammiches]

I think Bishop is the traitor. Or well, maybe not the traitor there's definitely SOMETHING going on with him. I just re-read X-Men #202: Endangered Species. The scene were Sinister is having an internal meeting with his Marauders an dhere's the dialog:

Sinister: "I told you at the outset, my Marauders, that a partial success in this matter counted as a failure. So how do you account for yourselves?"

Mystique: "Well, apart from Bishop, who still hasn't surfaced, we've taken out all the live targets. We've also completely neutralized at least one of the X-Men's combat teams and damaged their inrastructure badly enough to cripple them."

And then in this Messiah Complex story, Bishop all of a sudden shows up at the mansion and Cyclops even calls him out on being late in the game, having to send out a strike team without him. His excuse of being in Mutant Town or whatever was weak.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I want a canon book where it says Monet's powers are "perfection". I remember her having flight, superstrength, invulnerability, super intelligence, and telepathy. She would slip into deep sleeps as well in the middle of conversations.

Touche. Still, I think it's better that they ignore some aspects of his powers (same w/ anyone else who just has a gargantuan plethora of A-grade powers like Sinister and Monet), otherwise every fight would end within a few seconds.

WTF? How about the writer LEARN ABOUT THE POWERS that were displayed throughout their careers? It's not that damn hard.

[xmanson]

Yeah it was kinda generic how easily Kurt took out Exodus. But maybe it was just a lucky shot. ;)

Besides there was a lot of turmoil at the time of the battle and the X-Men were being protected against psionic assaults courtesy of Emma.

Emma seemed very strong to be protecting them from so far and still managing to resist someone like Exodus.

I wished for an astral plane battle too... i loved those.

[Slung]

I want a canon book where it says Monet's powers are "perfection". I remember her having flight, superstrength, invulnerability, super intelligence, and telepathy. She would slip into deep sleeps as well in the middle of conversations.
In GenX 1 it lists beauty and intelligence as part of her spectrum of mutant powers. We have examples of almost all of her senses as heightened (including a sixth sense) and she posseses superhuman abilities associated with the perfect hero. As for canon, probably nothing is stated concretely - but all those little blurbs on her by Lobdell would often list perfection as a word to describe her. Jubilee herself comments (this is obviously hyperbole coming from someone who has no freakin' idea what she's talking about) that Monet's powers are to be "Miss Perfect." Its just Jubes talking out of her butt, but it seems to nicely foreshadow revelations that were to come.

[pryde15]

I finally got my issue and this issue was... FANTASTIC! I haven't seen Bachalo's art so decisive in years, it is visually beautiful! and Carey's writing was very good as well (except Hellion's name was spelled wrong, Julian), I loved the entire Marauder fight and the New X-Men and The Sentinel scenes. Sadly I must say... I really liked Emma in this issue.

Storm was written very well, but so was everyone else :D

[ExodusCloak]

(except Hellion's name was spelled wrong, Julian)

That's good to know, I thought I was spelling it wrong when I saw it in the issue. Didn't bother to go and check my older issues to see if I was right or not. :p

[Post-It]

I think Bishop is the traitor. Or well, maybe not the traitor there's definitely SOMETHING going on with him. I just re-read X-Men #202: Endangered Species. The scene were Sinister is having an internal meeting with his Marauders an dhere's the dialog:

Sinister: "I told you at the outset, my Marauders, that a partial success in this matter counted as a failure. So how do you account for yourselves?"

Mystique: "Well, apart from Bishop, who still hasn't surfaced, we've taken out all the live targets. We've also completely neutralized at least one of the X-Men's combat teams and damaged their inrastructure badly enough to cripple them."

And then in this Messiah Complex story, Bishop all of a sudden shows up at the mansion and Cyclops even calls him out on being late in the game, having to send out a strike team without him. His excuse of being in Mutant Town or whatever was weak.


I dont think he is the traitor but at the same time I don't think Cyclops trust him anymore since he punked him out and backed Tony. As we all know the only X-Man who Cyclops allows to disobey orders and embarass him is Logan.

Bishop needs to be pried away from the X-Universe and join the Mighty Avengers. Please make this happen Bendis.
Why?
1. He is one the most powerful/skilled mutants alive and the most prominent mutant to back the Pro-Regs.
2. He is no longer trusted by the X-Men since he works for "the man"
3. It would expand the character to being something more than the average mutant time traveler trying to save the future for mutants. (arent we all tired of this?)

[pryde15]

That's good to know, I thought I was spelling it wrong when I saw it in the issue. Didn't bother to go and check my older issues to see if I was right or not. :p

lol I hate when that happened, like when in the Extremist he spelled Magneto's name Eric, and I was like are you serious I have been spelling it Erik for years! lol turns out I was right :P

[rwsmith]

I dont think he is the traitor but at the same time I don't think Cyclops trust him anymore since he punked him out and backed Tony. As we all know the only X-Man who Cyclops allows to disobey orders and embarass him is Logan.

Bishop needs to be pried away from the X-Universe and join the Mighty Avengers. Please make this happen Bendis.
Why?
1. He is one the most powerful/skilled mutants alive and the most prominent mutant to back the Pro-Regs.
2. He is no longer trusted by the X-Men since he works for "the man"
3. It would expand the character to being something more than the average mutant time traveler trying to save the future for mutants. (arent we all tired of this?)

I actually think this is a great idea. In fact, I wanted to see Bishop on the Mighty Avengers and Cable and Deadpool replace Wolverine and Spider-man on the New Avengers. It would definitely up the status of all three characters and pull them beyond just being extraneous X-characters, plus it would make perfect sense because Bishop sided with Tony during Civil War and Cable sided with Cap and the Secret Avengers (and Deadpool could just follow his pal, Nate, over to the NA).

IMO that would've been something really cool that Marvel could've done with all three of those characters.

[Callisto]

Grabbing a discarded weapon to help in a battle is beyond ridiculous?? I could see that if we're talking Batman and the weapon is something like a gun. But a blunt weapon with non lethal capabilities - I could see anyone using that given the situation.

As for Storm specifically I can't think of any moment she's grabbed a weapon, but it's not like I've read all her appearances. Didn't she use Callisto's knife against her in the Morlock fight?

she can hurl lightning from her hands and summon tornadoes? WTF would she need a staff for? all it would do is limit her, since she would have to hold it,while if she didnt have to hold it her hands would be free to hurl lightning bolts.

[rwsmith]

Well, they were in an enclosed space, so perhaps she felt that her powers might not be at their peak. Or maybe she just thought it would look cool. Who cares? Relax and roll with the story, man.:D

[CyberHubbs]

Cage can then call Bishop an 'Unca' Tom'. An entire storyline then centers around them trying to out-Shaft each other.

Hm. Has there been mention of a traitor in the comics, or is it something to be mentioned in the near future? 'Cause I'll say Jamie's lost dupe that went to the second future.

[BulletSpeed]

Yeah, I like the staff. Maybe Black Panther has been training her with weapons, and she felt it was time to test her skills in real combat.

[CyberHubbs]

she can hurl lightning from her hands and summon tornadoes? WTF would she need a staff for? all it would do is limit her, since she would have to hold it,while if she didnt have to hold it her hands would be free to hurl lightning bolts.

Ranged attacks suck in enclosed places when your fighters are all melee and engaged.

[BulletSpeed]

Cage can then call Bishop an 'Unca' Tom'. An entire storyline then centers around them trying to out-Shaft each other.

Hm. Has there been mention of a traitor in the comics, or is it something to be mentioned in the near future? 'Cause I'll say Jamie's lost dupe that went to the second future.

That could be a good call out right there. Im wondering what the hell that second dupes up to.

[CyberHubbs]

That could be a good call out right there. Im wondering what the hell that second dupes up to.

Since there's been no mention, it most be pretty important to the outcome of the story.

[Tobias Drake]

Oh, it's obvious. The second dupe is a Skrull and he's reporting to his Skrull masters. :p

[CyberHubbs]

Future Skrulls! In their future, all hamburgers have been outlawed. :rolleyes: Figure that one out.

I was thinking, though. What if the traitor is Cannonball? Sinister promised him to bring back any dead siblings. Sam would make an interesting Marauder.

[claimtosubclaim]

That could be a good call out right there. Im wondering what the hell that second dupes up to.

Maybe whoever edited the content in the library either killed or put the second dupe into a coma moments after he entered the future.

[claimtosubclaim]

Future Skrulls! In their future, all hamburgers have been outlawed. :rolleyes: Figure that one out.

I was thinking, though. What if the traitor is Cannonball? Sinister promised him to bring back any dead siblings. Sam would make an interesting Marauder.

Sam isn't the kind of guy who makes deals w/ the devil. In any case, he's more likely to join Cable's side.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Regarding the Sam theory...

One word: nope.

[CyberHubbs]

Bah.

It can't be a high ranking member, 'cause it's been done with Xavier. The traitor has to be one of the people you least expect. Total left field.

[claimtosubclaim]

Bah.

It can't be a high ranking member, 'cause it's been done with Xavier. The traitor has to be one of the people you least expect. Total left field.

High ranking members are the ones the X-Men would least expect, because they have had a much longer history of loyalty. I'm not saying that it will be one of them, but I don't think the traitor will come from totally left field. There've probably been hints seeded at his/her identity already. For my money, I think it's someone who cares more about the preservation of mutantkind than Cyclops' more morally-sound "having the baby in the X-Men's hands is the best outcome just because we're the good guys." Bishop and Beast both fit this type, but Bishop is too by-the-books to join Sinister, and Hank has realized that making a deal with the devil bears consequences (aka his whole ordeal w/ Dark Beast and the Guthrie family). Still, we don't know exactly where either of them stand, and it's important to remember that Sinister and Exodus *are* actually out to save mutantkind.

[frog]

she can hurl lightning from her hands and summon tornadoes? WTF would she need a staff for? all it would do is limit her, since she would have to hold it,while if she didnt have to hold it her hands would be free to hurl lightning bolts.

It makes the point "We just took your guards weapon right out of his hands."
She doesn't really need it but brandishing one of the opposition's tools at them is intimidating.

[Alex A Sanchez]

she can hurl lightning from her hands and summon tornadoes? WTF would she need a staff for? all it would do is limit her, since she would have to hold it,while if she didnt have to hold it her hands would be free to hurl lightning bolts.

It looks to me like she's channeling her power through the spear. Even if she isn't, it looks frickin cool! I can't ever remember enjoying watching Storm in action, and for the first time here she actually seemed threatening. Storm + spear = friggin cool.

I actually think this is a great idea. In fact, I wanted to see Bishop on the Mighty Avengers and Cable and Deadpool replace Wolverine and Spider-man on the New Avengers. It would definitely up the status of all three characters and pull them beyond just being extraneous X-characters, plus it would make perfect sense because Bishop sided with Tony during Civil War and Cable sided with Cap and the Secret Avengers (and Deadpool could just follow his pal, Nate, over to the NA).

Think about what you just said dude: DEADPOOL ON THE AVENGERS. Has the world gone crazy? Wade's a quasi hero at best with questionable sanity. What bussiness does he have standing with Earth's Mightiest Heros? He thinks he's in a comic book, for cryin out loud!
He needs a funky rebel team to run with.

[Sentou Ryoku]

'Storm-with-a-spear' is simply Bachalo playing up on his aesthetics...the same way Jim Lee made Rogue rock a staff during her Savage Land days. Both equally looked cool.

[rwsmith]

Think about what you just said dude: DEADPOOL ON THE AVENGERS. Has the world gone crazy? Wade's a quasi hero at best with questionable sanity. What bussiness does he have standing with Earth's Mightiest Heros? He thinks he's in a comic book, for cryin out loud!
He needs a funky rebel team to run with.

But the New Avengers are a funky rebel team! And it's not like they don't have questionable members of their own right now. Wolverine has killed far more people than Deadpool, and Echo used to be a hitman for the Kingpin. Seems like the Merc with a Mouth would be a perfect fit for this squad.

But now I'm going way off topic here...so, who else thinks Bishop is the traitor?

[Pro]

But now I'm going way off topic here...so, who else thinks Bishop is the traitor?

Seems to me there have been enough traitors to fill the position already ..

Regan, Mystique, Gambit, Sunfire, Cable.

Do we know at which point this traitor is supposed to be known or are we looking for trees and missing the forrest in front of us?

If there is still supposed to be a traitor i'm guesing it Cable and his betrayal will become clearer as the story progresses. He stole the baby, didn't return it to his very own dad. He clearly has his own plans that make him run away from everyone else who wants the baby. I don't think Cable is a traitor in the sense that he is evil but i do think his plans may betray the ideals of the x-men. I'm not yet sure though whether this means he wants to save the mutant race over the backs of the humans or whether it's the opposite.

I do feel that perhaps he wants to prevent Cyclops frommaking a decision that will push Scott in a decidedly darker path. Scott's already showing a deteriorating morality, sending out an assassins squad, and his fanaticism to save the mutant race seems to be growing by the minute. Cable might try to stop him from going over the edge.

I'm still thinking the two futures we'll see are a)slow mutant growth resulting in internment camp because mutants lose the human-mutant war, or b)mutants are all repowered and destroy human civilisation in their quest for domination. I think Cable will "betray" the x-men by making future A happen because he's seen the consequences of future B in the future he grew up in.

[BulletSpeed]

I'm still thinking the two futures we'll see are a)slow mutant growth resulting in internment camp because mutants lose the human-mutant war, or b)mutants are all repowered and destroy human civilisation in their quest for domination. I think Cable will "betray" the x-men by making future A happen because he's seen the consequences of future B in the future he grew up in.

This sounds like it could be right.

[chemicalx]

I think its funny that some of the decisions that scott is making are right in line with the ones that he is angry at the professor for... I think they really need to stop giving charlie such a hard time

[Nubian]

Cage can then call Bishop an 'Unca' Tom'. An entire storyline then centers around them trying to out-Shaft each other.

When has Bishop ever acted like Shaft?

[tunasammiches]

When has Bishop ever acted like Shaft?

That one time he bitch slapped Storm and told her to 'shut yo' mouth!'

[jarrod]

Telepathy? Emma's blocking it. As for teleportation, the writers are probably ignoring that aspect of his powers in the same way Warpath's flight powers are being ignored.
I don't see them being outright ignored... more Kurt's headslam looks like it incapacitated Exy. When he wakes up, he'll port back.



Well, Wikipedia states... "Writer Ed Brubaker has said that he chose not to depict Warpath's flight power because he didn't understand how Warpath's speed and strength would allow it."

Abilities: Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, durability, senses, and Flight. Trained in armed and unarmed combat.

I, think someone said. "Awww, hell no! All he's missing is Heat/X-Ray vision and Super breath" Heh:D
Being fair, same could be said of Brian, Monet, Rogue (once upon a time) and others. That said, I always hated how Ellis introduced flight into James's powerset... maybe we can retcon it somehow as Wisdom faking the whole experience with tech?

[tunasammiches]

Wait...does Sinister have telepathy? What exactly are his powers?

[chemicalx]

Wait...does Sinister have telepathy? What exactly are his powers?

Honestly it depends on the story. He has always been shown to have at least some Psi ability though

[jarrod]

Wait...does Sinister have telepathy? What exactly are his powers?
Well, he's displayed superhuman strength, endurance, flight, invulnerability, shapeshifting, telepathy, energy blasts, teleportation and is suppossedly immortal... anything I missed?

[Nubian]

That one time he bitch slapped Storm and told her to 'shut yo' mouth!'

:rolleyes:

Seems to me a lot of you people think Black = Shaft.

[chemicalx]

:rolleyes:

Seems to me a lot of you people think Black = Shaft.

god i hope not I look bad in an afro:(

[Fatguy]

:rolleyes:

Seems to me a lot of you people think Black = Shaft.

"You people"?

Kidding! Say no to race war!

[Magneto X]

Well, he's displayed superhuman strength, endurance, flight, invulnerability, shapeshifting, telepathy, energy blasts, teleportation and is suppossedly immortal... anything I missed?

Apoc gave him: longevity and durability
Courier gave him: molecular shapeshifting (too much like Apoc IMO)

The rest he gave himself (strength, TP, TK) from unknown genetic sources.
He's recently been upgraded to alpha level telepathy for some reason. To use cerebro I guess.

I don't know about the teleportation. I say that's mechanical.

[HotRod_Tim]

Messiah Complex is really heating up. Cable's gonna have do some major ass kicking if he's not gonna team back up with the X-Men, cuz he'll also have the Marauders, the Reavers, and the Purifiers lookin for the kid too. Can't wait for the next installment in this story, MC is definitely turning out to be an X-Event that I've been missing for so long. Solid writing by Carey this ish, and as for the art, well, I love Chris Bachalo's art so it was a real treat for me.

[Brian M.]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=138330

[Pro]

There are some connections between some of the antagonists; and, specifically, you will be able to find out more about what’s happening with the Sentinels surrounding the mansion at the end of this week’s issue.

I take it whatever took over the sentinels works with the purifiers. Sinister mentioned that the x-men had fallen low on his agenda to kill, not so the purifiers's agenda methinks. But what was it that took over the sentinels? Nimrod technology perhaps? Or maybe Stephen Lang stil with remnant of phalanx technology? They're pulling a lot of characters from everywhere. given the purifiers agenda i wouldn't be surprised to see either one having a role to play.

[Bodyslide]

Maybe the Person who came back is not Cable and is Stryfe........Makes you Wonder....

[Omega Alpha]

Wait...does Sinister have telepathy? What exactly are his powers?

He always had telepathy.

[Brian M.]

Maybe the Person who came back is not Cable and is Stryfe........Makes you Wonder....

Why complicate it. It's Cable.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Nah..if it was Stryfe, they would of left doubt. BTW, I have never seen Sinister fly in 20 years of appearances.

[Bodyslide]

Why complicate it. It's Cable.


Not trying to complicate anything..Just throwing it out, if it was Styrfe.

Could that make him the Traitor?.....

[ExodusCloak]

Nah..if it was Stryfe, they would of left doubt. BTW, I have never seen Sinister fly in 20 years of appearances.

Fly? Niether have I. I know he has Telekinesis though so he could use that to levitate.

[Red Lotus]

I have never seen Sinister fly in 20 years of appearances.

FLY did I miss something.:confused:

[Brian M.]

FLY did I miss something.:confused:

Not as much as Erik is missing...

[rpv20042002]

where is jamie's other dupe in all of this?, they only show what layla and jamie have seen

[claimtosubclaim]

where is jamie's other dupe in all of this?, they only show what layla and jamie have seen

Either dead, or a traitor. Whatever happened to him is probably the reason why Madrox Prime is in a coma.

[rpv20042002]

does not seem to fit though, because layla and the other jamie know that the library files were tamperd with, the other dupe must know something

[CyberHubbs]

When has Bishop ever acted like Shaft?

He's one bad mutha'?

Same way stern, gun-toting white men are like Dirty Harry.

[Slyfer]

Mike Carey gave some sweet insight. He also said things are about to get really DARK, really DARK MUAHAHAHAHAHAHa

[Callisto]

Ranged attacks suck in enclosed places when your fighters are all melee and engaged.

PLZ! if storm had any sense she would have handed the weapon over to warren or nightcrawler. they could do some real damage with that weapon unlike storm.

[rpv20042002]

PLZ! if storm had any sense she would have handed the weapon over to warren or nightcrawler. they could do some real damage with that weapon unlike storm.

but most like it's what she ends up stabing exodus with, since he read was going to happen with the destiny diaries

[Victorious]

so, what or who do you think it will be cyclops' secret weapon?
it can't be nezhno... a student? and plus, nezhno kills himself a little everytime he uses his powers...

[Pach!]

so, what or who do you think it will be cyclops' secret weapon?
it can't be nezhno... a student? and plus, nezhno kills himself a little everytime he uses his powers...

The cover of X-factor 26. At least that's my guess.

[Joe Franklin]

so, what or who do you think it will be cyclops' secret weapon?


X-Force.:cool:

[Post-It]

so, what or who do you think it will be cyclops' secret weapon?
it can't be nezhno... a student? and plus, nezhno kills himself a little everytime he uses his powers...

1. Unless that was a lie so he could go under the radar.
2. Or maybe they will find a way to prevent his powers from killing him the same way they did for Firestar.

[DeniseXfrost]

The secret weapon is :the xforce.

[ProfeZZor X]

1. Unless that was a lie so he could go under the radar.
2. Or maybe they will find a way to prevent his powers from killing him the same way they did for Firestar.

On an evolutionary scale, it almost makes no sense that Gentle's own powers would kill him. I can understand if they were amped up to uncontrollable levels by an outside source, but there are generally failsafe metabolisms in the human body that prevent such things... Like a person sweating after running really hard, or bones mending after being broken. Even muscle tissue heals itself when fibers are stressed enough. Hence the reason why body builders gain mass.

[Pach!]

On an evolutionary scale, it almost makes no sense that his own powers should kill him. I can understand if they were amped up to uncontrollable levels, but there are generally failsafe metabolisms in the human body that prevent such things... Like a person sweating after running really hard, or bones mending after being broken. Even muscle tissue heals itself when stresses and torn. Hence the reason why body builders gain mass.

Real life rules don't really apply to fictitious comics.

[Joe Franklin]

Real life rules don't really apply to fictitious comics.

They don't?:(

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

Cable is such a baby snagging bad ass.

But the X-Men wouldn't have got spanked if Deadpool was apart of the team. Wade would have chopped a head or two and shot a face or three.

And Wolverine gettin pooned was classic, lol he looked like a wrotten boiled hot dog before his death to come. He was super pooned. Hopefully Nightcrawler survives though, that was a wicked bamf side-kick he put on that girls chin, that was awesome.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

The secret weapon is :

A new plasma beam that he fires from his ass

[ProfeZZor X]

Real life rules don't really apply to fictitious comics.

I know, but if writers are going to incorporate real life science into comic books from time to time and with the powers of some characters, then it should be applied to most of them and not just a select few.

[Joe Franklin]

And Wolverine gettin pooned was classic, lol he looked like a wrotten boiled hot dog before his death to come.

:confused:

What death to come?

[Pach!]

I know, but if writers are going to incorporate real life science into comic books from time to time and with the powers of some characters, then it should be applied to most of them and not just a select few.

Too late for that.

[DeniseXfrost]

A new plasma beam that he fires from his ass
LOL LOL........but what I said is true.

[CyberHubbs]

I heard Scott's secret weapon is the Leviathan.

[Joe Franklin]

I heard Scott's secret weapon is the Leviathan.

That's the Legion Of Superheroes secret weapon.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

:confused:

What death to come?

That chick was gonna fry him or let him die of adamantium poisoning, it was his death to come, Nightcrawler saved the day and everything...But Wolvie was about to die while lookin like he had body herpes. Super Pooned.

[rwsmith]

I thought getting pooned was a good thing? Because in my mind Wolverine getting pooned by Lady Mastermind and Karima takes on a whole different meaning...

...I'm just saying.

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

lol Gettin poon and getting pooned are two different things

[rwsmith]

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.;)

[Wade_Wilsons_Tailor]

No problem :cool:

[Alex A Sanchez]

BTW, I have never seen Sinister fly in 20 years of appearances.

X-Factor (vol. 1) #75

On an evolutionary scale, it almost makes no sense that Gentle's own powers would kill him...

Not true, actually. Gentle's own power killing him makes perfect evolutionary sense:

Random variations in the genetic code (read: accidents) result in mutants. Mutations that kill off the mutant (i.e. Gentle) generally do not show up again. Mutations that are helpful to the organism's survival are seen in the mutant's children, and in their children's children, etc.

Now if lots of people had Gentle's mutation, then it would not make evolutionary sense.

Why complicate it. It's Cable.

Or maybe X-Man grew up?

But he died...right?

So maybe X-Man grew up in an alternate timeline.

But wouldn't that make him just Cable from another timeline? I'm confused. :confused:




"You people"?

Kidding! Say no to race war!

heh heh heh- if you reverse BLACK = SHAFT into SHAFT = BLACK then all of a sudden we have a true statement and all political correctness argument goes out the window :D

[steve2275]

X-Force.:cool:

a force to b reckoned with :p :cool:

[DeniseXfrost]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1286/omegasentinelmi4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I can't get over how kick ass omega/malice was. "pfff, the look on your face...how overrated it is"

[tunasammiches]

:rolleyes:

Seems to me a lot of you people think Black = Shaft.

Actually I just think Richard Roundtree = Shaft. I think Samuel L. Jackson was a pale charicature of that brilliance.

[Callisto]

the baby is jean grey ressurected in skanky infant form.

[Magneto X]

On an evolutionary scale, it almost makes no sense that Gentle's own powers would kill him.

Mutations don't make sense individually. The ones that kill don't get passed on. The ones that don't do. The ones that encourage life spread. But for an individual mutation, there is no expection it will be a benefit.

That's why I miss the morlocks. I liked having at least half the mutants be de-formed and not very useful.

[Brian M.]

the baby is jean grey ressurected in skanky infant form.

You seem like an educated individual

[Slung]

You seem like an educated individual

You forgot classy and socially well-adjusted.

[drwho]

The only bad thing I can say about this issue was the art. Everything else was top notch. Loved that it progressed the plot while giving some good action scenes and confrontations.

[Slung]

The only bad thing I can say about this issue was the art. Everything else was top notch. Loved that it progressed the plot while giving some good action scenes and confrontations.
The only bad thing I can say is that Bachalo isn't doing EVERY issue of the crossover. The art was amazing. LOVED IT!

[SincereAgape]

Not sure if this has been touched upon in this massive thread but here are a few more pennies being thrown into the mix. They have probably been touched upon but here goes.

1. Gambit gets beat my Wolverine - Yes I believe that Wolverine can beat Gambit very easily, but there is a part of me that believes that Gambit does not want to hurt the X-men and thus did the "Job" and did not attack Logan because of this.

2. He obviously is working both sides of the fence. This can easily be explained by the fact that he wants to help Rogue. Carey has pretty much shown and stated that Rogue is unstable right now and is in a very bad place because of her powers. Seeing this, Gambit believes that Sinster is one of the people that can help her. Thus because of his previous affiliation with Sinster decides to go back to his serogate father and work for him, and in exchange help Rogue, even if it means that she would hate him from the rest of her life.