X-Men #205 (Messiah CompleX chapter 5): (not)Sexy Summary, Spoilers, Discussion!

[Speed]

Defeat him? He got teleported away so the X-Men didn't get squashed in two panels. I mean..some SERIOUS punk outs are coming. It's only going to get more hilarious. Exodus has lost miserably in the past? The Austen book and that Uncanny annual? If he lost so bad, why isn' the in prison for his terrorist crimes? Come on...it doesn't work and it will never work.

Deeply unstable? When did Exodus' name change to Cyclops or Chamber? And Exodus in Bloodties is a bigger display than anyone in this crossover. The one thing Sinister does have on him is he outsmarted Nate Grey with ease. You keep quoting Exodus's feats from 15 year ago yet ignoring everything recently.
And so what if he isn't in jail?
Neither is Random.

Exodus's name has never changed to Chamber. Chamber is a Generation X character.
He has nothing on Sinister. Nothing.

[Callisto]

agreed this issue was beyond shameful. dreadful battle scenes with outcomes that were not all really true to the characters involved. i swear i've seen exodus display telepathy aswell which means he should have sensed nightscrawlers attack coming. AND WAT IS UP WITH STORM CARRYING THAT WALKING STICK? she throws lightning bolts out of her hands and controls the weather, wtf does she need a staff for? i bet it was bachalo adding in his usual goofieness with characters changing there entire looks and hairstyles to suit his own hideous "artistic" style.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

You keep quoting Exodus's feats from 15 year ago yet ignoring everything recently.
And so what if he isn't in jail?
Neither is Random.

Exodus's name has never changed to Chamber. Chamber is a Generation X character.
He has nothing on Sinister. Nothing.

WHO HAS MADE HIM PAY RECENTLY. He punked out the X-men with ease in when he attackedthe Mansion looking for the diaries and in the X-Men Annual, he basically made Rogue and Cable back down like cowards. I'm surprised Carey would write a display like what happened this week but the X-Men just can't be squashed completely. After all, they're being set up to be proven wrong by the end of this thing.

[Pro]

There's a term for this and the Rumblers' would, of course, agree...P I S + C I S=X-Men #205 goofiness.

You can whine all you want but it's right there on panel. Uber Exodus got owned by Nightcrawler, end of story. Makes no sense but it highly amuses me that it affects your bloodpressure in such an obvious way.

[Speed]

WHO HAS MADE HIM PAY RECENTLY. He punked out the X-men with ease in when he attackedthe Mansion looking for the diaries and in the X-Men Annual, he basically made Rogue and Cable back down like cowards. I'm surprised Carey would write a display like what happened this week but the X-Men just can't be squashed completely. After all, they're being set up to be proven wrong by the end of this thing. Colossus & Shadowcat do not count as "The X-Men".
Exodus has walked away unscathed recently because he has threatened to kill humans. (S.H.I.E.L.D, the Sentinel pilots) A weak act of cowardice.
The X-Men cannot put human lives in danger.

[Red Lotus]

You can whine all you want but it's right there on panel. Uber Exodus got owned by Nightcrawler, end of story. Makes no sense but it highly amuses me that it affects your bloodpressure in such an obvious way.

You think this is bad just wait until Squirrel Girl beats Magneto down. :D

[worstblogever]

agreed this issue was beyond shameful. dreadful battle scenes with outcomes that were not all really true to the characters involved. i swear i've seen exodus display telepathy aswell which means he should have sensed nightscrawlers attack coming. AND WAT IS UP WITH STORM CARRYING THAT WALKING STICK? she throws lightning bolts out of her hands and controls the weather, wtf does she need a staff for? i bet it was bachalo adding in his usual goofieness with characters changing there entire looks and hairstyles to suit his own hideous "artistic" style.

The "walking stick" is Harpoon's spear. She must've stolen it off him off panel before one of those 5 X-Men (most likely Colossus) threw him threw the wall last issue.

[Jake V]

There's a term for this and the Rumblers' would, of course, agree...P I S + C I S=X-Men #205 goofiness.
It's a good thing no one ever takes a rumbler seriously.

[podmark]

AND WAT IS UP WITH STORM CARRYING THAT WALKING STICK?

It's Harpoon's harpoon. The spoils of war.

[Pro]

You think this is bad just wait until Squirrel Girl beats Magneto down. :D

*snickers* I'd buy that book!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

There's a term for this and the Rumblers' would, of course, agree...P I S + C I S=X-Men #205 goofiness.

No idea what the hell this means. Anyone?

[CmX]

This issue was awesome! I loved it, Bachalo did a great job too IMO.

The kids were really cute and poor Pixie! Is it just me or does it look like her wings are either ripped off or hanging by a thread?

It was a matter of time before Cable showed up, but I didn't imagine he'd be the one carrying the baby. Yeah it's SO Jean.

What I don't understand is, if mutants are to be extinct why in the future do they have an ecampment for them still? Or is it something that's yet to be revealed? I feel like I missed something with that subplot.

[Alphaxman]

I made avatars for anyone who wants them in anticipation for tomorrow, when I (hopefully) can pick up the issue.

Thanks Faded. I'll take the Storm one. She was just Fierce in this issue.

[Pro]

What I don't understand is, if mutants are to be extinct why in the future do they have an ecampment for them still? Or is it something that's yet to be revealed? I feel like I missed something with that subplot.

As i mentioned before my guess is we'll see two futures. one where mutants are the minority who live in mutant ghettoes. We've seen that one. and if that's an indication mutants will be repowered at least partially.

And the other future will likely be more like the one shown in X-factor a while back when old man Tryp showed X-factor a future in which mutants were all repowered and tore down human society.

Somehow the baby makes both futures possible because two futures appeared again on Forge's future scanner when it was born, but how and why i'm not sure at all.

If the baby doesn't somehow repower mutants then those camps we saw in the future were way too big and too many for 198 mutants who would no doubt all be dead 80 years in the future.

Maybe the baby's mutant power is to repower mutants ... ?

[CmX]

I made avatars for anyone who wants them in anticipation for tomorrow, when I (hopefully) can pick up the issue.

Claim Pixie!

Thanks Faded, how majah are you!

<333

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It was a matter of time before Cable showed up, but I didn't imagine he'd be the one carrying the baby. Yeah it's SO Jean.

Cause he'd refer to the woman who raised him for 12 years as 'KID'...?

[CmX]

Cause he'd refer to the woman who raised him for 12 years as 'KID'...?

I'm not too thrilled about Jean coming back to life, but it just screams Jean IMO. And what's he going to say "mom" to the baby? Not only would that be corny as hell, it would give the whole plot away.

[Callisto]

It's Harpoon's harpoon. The spoils of war.

beyond ridiculous since when has storm been such a cleptomaniac to start stealing peoples weapons during battle?

[Speed]

And what's he going to say "mom" to the baby? Not only would that be corny as hell, it would give the whole plot away. Jean Grey is not Cable's mother.

[Callisto]

Thanks Faded. I'll take the Storm one. She was just Fierce in this issue.

fierce? PLz all she did was pose up with her walking stick and hurl lightning at everything BUT her targets.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm not too thrilled about Jean coming back to life, but it just screams Jean IMO. And what's he going to say "mom" to the baby? Not only would that be corny as hell, it would give the whole plot away.

But Jean can ERADICATE a planet. Billions and all.

Good guys and bad guys are currently freakin out over a war between humans and mutants.

That kid ain't in the same league. Just saying.

[CmX]

Jean Grey is not Cable's mother.

Oops you're right. It's Maddie right? I'm not too keen on the Summers bloodline. And for good reason.

[podmark]

beyond ridiculous since when has storm been such a cleptomaniac to start stealing peoples weapons during battle?

Grabbing a discarded weapon to help in a battle is beyond ridiculous?? I could see that if we're talking Batman and the weapon is something like a gun. But a blunt weapon with non lethal capabilities - I could see anyone using that given the situation.

As for Storm specifically I can't think of any moment she's grabbed a weapon, but it's not like I've read all her appearances. Didn't she use Callisto's knife against her in the Morlock fight?

[Kid Icarus]

Grabbing a discarded weapon to help in a battle is beyond ridiculous?? I could see that if we're talking Batman and the weapon is something like a gun. But a blunt weapon with non lethal capabilities - I could see anyone using that given the situation.

As for Storm specifically I can't think of any moment she's grabbed a weapon, but it's not like I've read all her appearances. Didn't she use Callisto's knife against her in the Morlock fight?

I'm really confused.
were you being sarcastic?

[Jake V]

beyond ridiculous since when has storm been such a cleptomaniac to start stealing peoples weapons during battle?

It all started when she was a thieving street urchin...

[CmX]

It all started when she was a thieving street urchin...

I was fixin to say..

[podmark]

I'm really confused.
were you being sarcastic?

Nope. In the issue Storm uses Harpoon's weapon, Callisto said her using it was ridiculous and I guess not in character for Storm. I'm arguing against that opinion.

[Kid Icarus]

Ah ok
I didnt even think about it twice.
It made sense to me that she was wise enough
to channel her lightening through a metal object

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, I'll have to semi-agree with Callisto here.

Wielding a small weapon? Sure.

But a harpoon? Pretty bad freakin choice for someone of 'Ro's build.

[Kid Icarus]

Was she like actually using it as a weapon?
I need to go get this...but i dont want to drive
for half an hour
and its cold
hmpf

[claimtosubclaim]

Well, I'll have to semi-agree with Callisto here.

Wielding a small weapon? Sure.

But a harpoon? Pretty bad freakin choice for someone of 'Ro's build.

She's a strong black woman.

I haven't read this issue yet, just the preview parts and daily scans. Does Angel actually do any fighting? It looks like he flies out of the battle the very moment it begins, and you don't see him again until he confronts Sinister.

[CmX]

She's a strong black woman.

I haven't read this issue yet, just the preview parts and daily scans. Does Angel actually do any fighting? It looks like he flies out of the battle the very moment it begins, and you don't see him again until he confronts Sinister.

No he doesn't. lol

[Kid Icarus]

he flies around some at least.
You know
with his mighty
flying powers

[Speed]

Does Angel actually do any fighting? It looks like he flies out of the battle the very moment it begins, and you don't see him again until he confronts Sinister. Angel may heal the others when the dust settles.

[claimtosubclaim]

No he doesn't. lol

Damn it, haha. You think Mike Carey of all people would bother to make him useful on the offensive line, but I suppose he's never shown any enthusiasm for writing Warren. He could've at least gave an explanation, such as Warren went off to look for Rogue, and Sinister gets in his way. That would follow up w/ the continuity of Warren being worried for her in UXM 492, and the fact that the X-Men announced in NXM 44 that they were there to get Rogue back.

[CmX]

Angel may heal the others when the dust settles.

When's the last time he displayed this power? I wonder if they plan on retconning it.

[Brian M.]

Folks...seriously...the baby isn't Jean...how many damn times does it have to be said? It's not a known mutant reborn.

[podmark]

Folks...seriously...the baby isn't Jean...how many damn times does it have to be said? It's not a known mutant reborn.

You'd look pretty silly if you turned out to be wrong :P

Not saying I disagree with you though. Marvel did initially imply that it wouldn't be anyone we know or related to anyone we know. But later they did tease at the possibility of it being Phoenix. I won't really be surprised either way.

[Bart Simpson]

I think it would make sense to be Jean but I don't want to get my hopes hope.

That before dawn statement reminds me of the Here Comes Tomorrow Arc, when Jean came and Tito thought it was dawn but it was her energy signature.

NO more mutants = no more evolution. Jean fixes what doesn't work... this case stagnation. It'd be a perfect time for her to be reborn.

But Marvel doesn't usually make sense like that so I doubt it's her. :(

[Post-It]

I really can't see it being storm either. Her fanbase is too huge and although marvel do make some idiotic decissions over the years that seem like "nah...they aren't stupid enough to do that." and then go and do it, i don't think this will be one of them.

Kill off bishop, would anyone really care?

I would. Bishop isn't a bad character he has just had crappy writting. In some ways he faces the same prob as all time travelers in that they base everything on changing the future and not living. They have not given him a life outside of fighting except for when he was lost in space with Deathbird. I see him as Samuel Jackson in a Time to Kill. He a fighter whose entire life has been about the job and that doesnt pan out well in comics. They need to give him something more

[podmark]

Bishop's one of my favorites actually, but I won't be too bothered if he died.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

So is Crawler gonna live or what and what's this about Bishop having to die now?

[Brian M.]

You'd look pretty silly if you turned out to be wrong :P

Not saying I disagree with you though. Marvel did initially imply that it wouldn't be anyone we know or related to anyone we know. But later they did tease at the possibility of it being Phoenix. I won't really be surprised either way.

So is Crawler gonna live or what and what's this about Bishop having to die now?

Doesn't matter b/c Cable is back. HAHAHAHA

[rwsmith]

WHO HAS MADE HIM PAY RECENTLY. He punked out the X-men with ease in when he attackedthe Mansion looking for the diaries and in the X-Men Annual, he basically made Rogue and Cable back down like cowards. I'm surprised Carey would write a display like what happened this week but the X-Men just can't be squashed completely. After all, they're being set up to be proven wrong by the end of this thing.

Exodus is a sh!t-weak generic "powerhouse" villain. He's basically just a lamer version of Magneto. Face it, he got owned this issue, just like pretty much everyone else at some point or another (X-men and Acolyte/Marauder alike).

And Cable's back, baby, so suck on that for awhile!:evilsmile

EDIT---Damn. Brian beat me to it.

[CmX]

So is Crawler gonna live or what and what's this about Bishop having to die now?

I don't think so. Kurt is on the cover to the Feb issue of Uncanny.

[creaky]

I finally got the issue.

Yay:
- The panel with Storm creating a diversion. Lovely.
- "Man, isn't anyone gonna invade today?"
- Pixie. You'll get there, honey. We can't all be super soldiers.>MWA<
- The fact that Surge's little escapade ended up trashing not only her group and Rictor's cover, but also the group in Antarctica. If that doesn't sober her up, nothing will. Man, I feel for her.
- Nightcrawler being shot is the most interesting thing to happen to the character since Excalibur.
- Deep-fried Logan sans healing factor looks like Bill the Cat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_the_Cat). :D
- Kurt kicking Lady M in the face. But I would prefer if the sound effect was "Krak" instead of "Fwap".
- Bachalo's Bishop! With bullet holes in his armor and cute little skulls on the grenades in his belt! <33

Boo:
- Bachalo still draws fingers that look like sausages on a potato. For shame.
- Who decides what words in the dialogue should be emphasized? Are they picked out at random by a machine? Because lines like "I'll get you out of here" and "Can you hear me" makes me wonder if the person responsible has ever heard people talk.
- Art is so messy.
- Bachalo's Nightcrawler looks like a monkey.
- "Fwap"...geez.
- Nightcrawler being shot is the most interesting thing to happen to the character since Excalibur.
- So...his best buddy, who just saved his life, has been shot and is bleeding out in the snow a few feet away, calls for help and what does Logan do? Calls the mansion up to tell about who has the baby. Prick. Dump him, Kurt! He only wants you for your body anyway.

Whu?:
- Without even getting into the debate about Exodus' power level (seeing as how I know very little about the character), why would you choose to teleport away with the one enemy on the team who can actually teleport?
- What are those wire tentacle things and where did they come from? Were they even there at the end of the previous issue?

[CmX]

- What are those wire tentacle things and where did they come from? Were they even there at the end of the previous issue?

They came out of one of the Reavers, I guess one of them has that capability? Haha

It reminded me of Dr. Octopus.

[creaky]

They came out of one of the Reavers, I guess one of them has that capability? Haha

It reminded me of Dr. Octopus.

I should have been more specific, sorry. I actually meant the ones surrounding Sinister.

Also, mutant power: Tentacle rape! <3

[Pro]

- What are those wire tentacle things and where did they come from? Were they even there at the end of the previous issue?

They're part of Sinister's own Cerebro-like telepathy enhancer i think.

[Michael P]

- Deep-fried Logan sans healing factor looks like Bill the Cat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_the_Cat). :D

My God, you're right. That's awesome.

[CmX]

I should have been more specific, sorry. I actually meant the ones surrounding Sinister.

Also, mutant power: Tentacle rape! <3

I think that was Mr. Sinister's bootleg version of Cerebra.

[Gaveedra 6]

I thought the harpoon worked for Storm. She likes to do something with her hands in situations like this. She's got no pockets.

Most disturbing was seeing Cyclops calmly sipping his cinnamon latte with whipped cream and caramel drizzle while his friends (plus his gf's astral form) fight to the death in the arctic. Shouldn't he at least be in the "war room" or something with a big holographic globe being projected with dots on it? How icy IS this guy??

But seriously - did anybody notice Hank tinkering with the Xorn helmet? It's probably just a nice Bachalo background touch, but if they can work Xorn madness into this I'd be very impressed and excited.

[creaky]

I think that was Mr. Sinister's bootleg version of Cerebra.

He wasn't in it when the X-men burst through the wall in the previous issue, though. But oh well.

[ClanAskani]

is it me, or does Cable have two organic arms in that shot?

It does look like his elbow is skin-colored. It's probably a coloring mistake. On the cover for the next issue Cable has his metal arm.


Jean Grey is not Cable's mother.

Technically, she’s his step-mother and adoptive-mother, and was called his mom in every way that truly matters. That pretty much means Jean is Nathan’s mom.

[caney]

I thought this issue was just awesome. The crossover is a big hit with me so far! Bachalo's art is mystifyingly good this issue. The amount of detail he puts into each panel is incredible.

Other stray thoughts:

Storm took charge in the field. She had two very cool moments. First, whacking Sinister with the harpoon and then taking one for the team to buy time for their escape. I can't wait to see how she gets out of there.

It was kinda funny to see Bobby just staring at Emma while she was helping out the others. He's just kind of sitting next to her watching her do her thing. A little creepy maybe.

The New X-Men really screwed up this time. Even more than the realize right now. Kids will be kids, I guess.

I really enjoyed how well everyone's powers were used in the fight scenes of this issue. Carey does some great stuff writing the action sequences and this issue was pure action from start to finish.

I have no clue what's going on with the Sentinels, but I love the way this issue ended. No one is safe right now whether they're retreating from the Marauders, battling the Sentinels, laying scattered across the northeast, or running away with a baby. There's a real sense of danger that's been created.

[SnakeEater]

this storyline has me completely devoted to comics again. After seeing ultimate spiderman and the one more day crap i bought today - this issue was a godsend.
holy cow this is what xmen is all about i just dont know what to say

[Lobsterdom]

YES!!! CABLE IS BACK!!!
Sweet dreams, me.

I won't be able to read the actual issue until next week but the summaries(thankyou for posting them...!!! ::bows low toward the west:: ) gave me the impression that MAYBE everything is flowing according to Sinister's plan...it kind of struck me odd that BOTH of the men who attacked Cable spilled valid information so easily and quickly. Sinister might have sent Gambit and Sunfire, specifically instructed them to mention the "before dawn" quote, and saw to it that Cable will access the Professor, and get away with the info of the baby...
As for Sinister's intention of letting go only one man related to the future(after getting rid of all the other aspects), maybe he assumed that the X-Men will have a better chance of reaching Cable and let his guard down...making them both easy targets for Sinister and his soldiers, thus leading him to claim the baby.

Anyhow...can't wait to get my copy! Messiah CompleX FTW! CAAAAABLE!!!!!!

[Henry T.]

Technically, she’s his step-mother and adoptive-mother, and was called his mom in every way that truly matters. That pretty much means Jean is Nathan’s mom.

Yeah and not only was Maddie, Jean's clone but she was brought to life by a spark of Jean/Phoenix. So she was more than just a clone of Jean. Even her soul/consciousness was derived from Jean.

And Jean ended up absorbing Maddie and gaining her memories.

And Jean raised Cable in the future in Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix.

Jean and Cable also had great interaction during the Phalanx, Revolution, and Search for Cyclops. Fans of either characters should definitely read those if they haven't.

[DeniseXfrost]

Yay just read it. Once again, Em proves to be the most defensive team member. She's like the main obstacle for the marauders and Exodus.
It was kinda funny to see Bobby just staring at Emma while she was helping out the others. He's just kind of sitting next to her watching her do her thing. A little creepy maybe.
My only problem is why didn't they send him instead of Angel? I mean what fricking Angel can do?!

[claimtosubclaim]

It was kinda funny to see Bobby just staring at Emma while she was helping out the others. He's just kind of sitting next to her watching her do her thing. A little creepy maybe.


He's probably reliving this moment:
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/001c7cpf.jpg

[creaky]

My only problem is why didn't they send him instead of Angel? I mean what fricking Angel can do?!

Isn't Iceman still recovering from his and Cannonball's rumble with Sinister?

[DeniseXfrost]

Okay then anyone's better than Angel.

[claimtosubclaim]

Isn't Iceman still recovering from his and Cannonball's rumble with Sinister?

Iceman heals instantly. He was shot in the gut while in human form in 200, and just fine on the blackbird in 201.

[creaky]

Okay then anyone's better than Angel.

Awwww, give the guy a break. He...can fly! And he talked to Sinister and...peh. I'm sure he COULD have done more than they had him do.

[creaky]

Iceman heals instantly. He was shot in the gut while in human form in 200, and just fine on the blackbird in 201.

Then I'm stumped.

[DeniseXfrost]

Awwww, give the guy a break. He...can fly! And he talked to Sinister and...peh. I'm sure he COULD have done more than they had him do.
right he can heal.

[Omega Alpha]

Mike Carey writers the best issue of the crossover so far. Not a surprise.

Iceman heals instantly. He was shot in the gut while in human form in 200, and just fine on the blackbird in 201.

Scott didn't wanted to waste all the big guns, and the team had Storm and Colossus already.

They've all ready explicitly said that the baby is not Jean. They've all ready explicitly said that the baby has no pedigree at all. It's not related to any established characters. How do I know this?

Well, they explicitly said it.

Forget it. Don't try to use logic with the "Jean is the baby" folks.

For some reason, it never occurred to the great strategist Summers to send Monet -- a mutant with superhuman strength, speed, agility, endurance, accelerated healing factor; supersonic flight, and telepathy -- to take on the Marauders. Shame.


Take a look at the previews for New X-men #45. And sending all their big guns for something that was uncertain and could kill them all would be a waste. Specially considering they didn't have time for it. If they wasted a few more minutes, Sinister would have been gone already.

I suppose it was on the writers' behalf so the plot point remains that the X-Men lose the battle. The strike team should have just shown up with Iceman, Monet, Siryn, Strong Guy, Warpath, Rahne, Bishop, and Xavier('s mind) in tow and killed the entire Marauders/Acolytes team for good. Then they would save about 80% of the grief they're going to get in Messiah Complex Chapters 6-13. But that would shorten the story and make the X-Men pseudo-villains...

It's impossible to kill the Marauders for good.

[claimtosubclaim]

Mike Carey writers the best issue of the crossover so far. Not a surprise.
It's impossible to kill the Marauders for good.

Yes, Mike has definitely written the best issue of the crossover. Can't wait for 208.

It's impossible to kill anyone for good, thanks to editorial mandate and time-traveling.

[Omega Alpha]

Yes, Mike has definitely written the best issue of the crossover. Can't wait for 208.

It's impossible to kill anyone for good, thanks to editorial mandate and time-traveling.

With the Marauders, you don't need any of it. They can be as dead as Ultron, the Vision, the Phalanx, etc.

[claimtosubclaim]

Awwww, give the guy a break. He...can fly! And he talked to Sinister and...peh. I'm sure he COULD have done more than they had him do.

Easily. He is an excellent enough hand-to-hand combatant, and knows how to use his wings offensively. I just don't think any of the writers have an agenda to make Angel badass. Though he does talk a good game in this issue, ordering death threats and whatnot.

[Omega Alpha]

Easily. He is an excellent enough hand-to-hand combatant

He just has the standard hand to hand X-men training.

[claimtosubclaim]

He just has the standard hand to hand X-men training.

He also has combat training from Black Widow and Hercules. That's excellent enough to not just fly away when the battle begins.

[Michael Sean]

Forget it. Don't try to use logic with the "Jean is the baby" folks.



The baby probably isn't Jean.

But I wish it was. I think it would be cool. In a previous issue Scott kept thinking about when Cable told them that he knew that they raised him in the future. In the memory Cable and Jean embrace. It could have been foreshadowing.

And if the baby was a reincarnated character then they would have a new genetic family anyways.

[RoguishGurl]

The baby probably isn't Jean.

But I wish it was. I think it would be cool. In a previous issue Scott kept thinking about when Cable told them that he knew that they raised him in the future. In the memory Cable and Jean embrace. It could have been foreshadowing.

And if the baby was a reincarnated character then they would have a new genetic family anyways.

If that happened there would be a lot of upset Scott/Jean fans. I mean, he couldn't be with her and then he would mos def have to stay with Emma. I just came up with a thought, what if Scott and Emma raised a baby Jean!?!?! :eek:

But I still think that the baby is just a random mutant.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

If that happened there would be a lot of upset Scott/Jean fans. I mean, he couldn't be with her and then he would mos def have to stay with Emma. I just came up with a thought, what if Scott and Emma raised a baby Jean!?!?! :eek:

Two words: NO. Creepy. ;)

[Post-It]

He also has combat training from Black Widow and Hercules. That's excellent enough to not just fly away when the battle begins.

True, although I wished they would give him some long range weapons. Cable has to have some guns that he doesnt use and wouldnt mind sharing.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

True, although I wished they would give him some long range weapons. Cable has to have some guns that he doesnt use and wouldnt mind sharing.

The whole point of having big guns is to not share them.

[Brian M.]

How is it Marvel says the baby isn't anyone famous or known and yet we still waste time on this discussion?

[tunasammiches]

Great issue. The whole issues was one continuous fight scene [except for Scott's quiet tea-sipping moment]

Nightcrawler rocked in this ish. Putting him up against Exodus? Ballsy move. It was really refreshing to see him kick some ass [and Lady Mastermind in the face] rather than just write him teleporting around and rescuing people, like every other writer seems to be doing lately.

It was nice to see Colossus pound on multiple baddies. Just goes to show how tough he is. Although, why was he just fighting against girls that whole time???

Storm. No way do I buy that she picked up that harpoon off-panel. Last chapter, they busted through a wall and this ish picks up right after that. That was just some random Bachalo shite or something. Either that, or the visuals poorly explained it. And what's she need that for anyways? She coulda used wind to knock Vertigo into whatshisface and has never needed anything to channel lightning.

Angel. WTF??? When are the writers and his fans gonna realize that he sucks without the metal wings? He gets knocked out in EVERY fight he's in. What was he gonna do, slap Sinister with his softy, downy feathers? I know lots of people hated his mettle wings [I have no idea why] by at least give him the light wings back so he's MARGINALLY useful.

I love the X-kids. Pixie's my new favorite. I hope she gets her purty wings back....I can't wait for Nori to get reamed out. It was nice to see Bachalo's rendition of the New X-Men.

Sinister. I think those wires on his head might've had something to do with what happened to the Sentinels. Or maybe that was Cable...

There better be a good rationale why characters like M, Guido [I refuse to sall him Strong Guy] and Siryn weren't utilized in this fight. Madrox and Rictor got called in but no one else? Nice oversight.

Xavier's gonna do SOMETHING in this story, right?

Dear Marvel,
Can you include Rachel Summers in just ONE majorly important X-Men crossover? Why must she be left out of such a cool storyline??? [as well as Joss's final double-sized Astonishing!] Lame-oh.

On that note, this whole "Jean's the baby" theory, I better NOT see that damn Phoenix anywhere around this story or else I'm gonna vomit. Violently.

[Trey]

How is it Marvel says the baby isn't anyone famous or known and yet we still waste time on this discussion?

Lies! Its all Lies! the baby is Jean, if you look at the ruins of the hospital, you can see the broken egg shells.


And to all the Cable haters: Shut it. He's always been a kick-ass character.

[Joe Franklin]

Lies!, if you look at the ruins of the hospital, you can see the broken egg shells.


:eek:

Is the baby a chicken?

[ProfeZZor X]

How is it Marvel says the baby isn't anyone famous or known and yet we still waste time on this discussion?

Looks like you didn't have a problem joining in on the festivities. :rolleyes:

[creaky]

Storm. No way do I buy that she picked up that harpoon off-panel. Last chapter, they busted through a wall and this ish picks up right after that. That was just some random Bachalo shite or something. Either that, or the visuals poorly explained it. And what's she need that for anyways? She coulda used wind to knock Vertigo into whatshisface and has never needed anything to channel lightning.

Well, they knocked an unconscious Harpoon through the wall BEFORE busting through it, so I thought that was pretty well established. But I'm not sure why she needed the harpoon, either.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

To be fair, Brian was rather going for a "so one-sided it's not even funny" motif.

You two need to marry or something. :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, they knocked an unconscious Harpoon through the wall BEFORE busting through it, so I thought that was pretty well established. But I'm not sure why she needed the harpoon, either.

Cool visuals. That's about it, really.

Harpoons/Polearms are a nightmare to wield.

[Faded]

Thanks Faded. I'll take the Storm one. She was just Fierce in this issue.

Claim Pixie!

Thanks Faded, how majah are you!

<333

They look gorgeous on you!

How is it Marvel says the baby isn't anyone famous or known and yet we still waste time on this discussion?

Dead is dead now STFU. <3

[mythog]

I don't think Xavier will be doing anything in this arc. Marvel has stated that this is Cyclops show. If he does do something it might be to leave the X-men since they do not want him there hell all they seem to do to him is yell at him.

[dellicious]

How is it Marvel says the baby isn't anyone famous or known and yet we still waste time on this discussion?

i'm not into this whole baby discussion, but let people throw out there conjectures. no one is forcing you to read it, and its no skin off your back

the people at marvel also said cable was truly dead, suggested x-men would end, magneto was dead is dead, same for psylocke, thor was gone, etc etc

i wouldn't trust everything that comes out of their mouths
it's not like even if it was that they would admit it in an interview

jeeze

[creaky]

What happened to Mystique? She just...disappeared when the fight started.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What happened to Mystique? She just...disappeared when the fight started.

Gonna be fun when Sinister rallies what's left of his troops and assess wtf went wrong.

Just, what, Blue will be saying "I was too busy kicking a$$ for you to notice" and wave her hand a la Star Wars? :D

[podmark]

True, although I wished they would give him some long range weapons. Cable has to have some guns that he doesnt use and wouldnt mind sharing.

I miss his Soul Sword. Did he ever actually lose it is just one of those things writers ignore?

[creaky]

Gonna be fun when Sinister rallies what's left of his troops and assess wtf went wrong.

Just, what, Blue will be saying "I was too busy kicking a$$ for you to notice" and wave her hand a la Star Wars? :D

I'm just amazed that they managed to have Kurt and Mystique in the same room without even acknowledging each other.

...or wait a minute, no, I'm not.

[Sentou Ryoku]

Hi-Fi, if you're reading this (and provided that you're in the know): How much longer must we endure Rogue's non-involvement? Issue 205 was great, but an ass-kicking Rogue included would've made it all the more sweeter. Are readers supposed to assume she's sleeping all this ruckus out?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm just amazed that they managed to have Kurt and Mystique in the same room without even acknowledging each other.

...or wait a minute, no, I'm not.

Elf was too busy with that "Guten Tag" bit.

Hugh. I liked the issue, but that bit was just f****n awful. Preemptive one-liner (well, sort of) at freakin Exodus? :eek:

[Canemacar]

Elf was too busy with that "Guten Tag" bit.

Hugh. I liked the issue, but that bit was just f****n awful. Preemptive one-liner (well, sort of) at freakin Exodus? :eek:

Woulda been funnier if Kurt took a TK punch to face because of that.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Woulda been funnier if Kurt took a TK punch to face because of that.

Eh. Just, what, we're to assume Emma's interference confused him so much he just stood there...?

[Canemacar]

Eh. Just, what, we're to assume Emma's interference confused him so much he just stood there...?

Well she *is* one of the most powerful psychics ever!


:rolleyes:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I love Emma, but, really, both Sins and Exodus being in the same actual room and not able to do a thing is pushing it.

[creaky]

Elf was too busy with that "Guten Tag" bit.

Hugh. I liked the issue, but that bit was just f****n awful. Preemptive one-liner (well, sort of) at freakin Exodus? :eek:

Try to forgive poor Kurt, he hasn't had much practice at one-liners lately. :(

And since he is currently bleeding out in the snow while his POS boyfriend, whose hairy *** he just saved, is too busy informing his latte-sipping boss about the whereabouts of the ************* baby to crawl a few feet to lend him a hand, I know where I will place most of my sympathies.

Must...think...happy...mature...composed...objecti ve...thoughts. Must...

[ibrakeforchinwe]

They couldn't have even hidden Cable just a little bit??? Its like oooo I wonder who that is?!

[steve2275]

beyond ridiculous since when has storm been such a cleptomaniac to start stealing peoples weapons during battle?these are desperate times
and desperate times calll for desperate measures:p

[SOBO]

Colossus will always be my favorite character, but damn is Rockslide flying up the charts in recent months.

C & C took a totally generic character and given him a great personality and uniqueness to him.

Have to say that my favorite panel in the book is where he is just smashing Reavers. I would LOVE to get my hands on a scan of that panel.

Bachelo + New Xmen reverted me back to the glory days of a Generation of X. Ahhhhhhh I miss those days. Y'know before they were all dead, depowered, or had dozens of very bad stories written about them.

[Post-It]

I miss his Soul Sword. Did he ever actually lose it is just one of those things writers ignore?

I was thinking the same. I think they just forgot it when the shipped him to New Excalibur for a bit. But didnt Kurt also have it in his mini a year or so ago? Im confused.

[creaky]

I was thinking the same. I think they just forgot it when the shipped him to New Excalibur for a bit. But didnt Kurt also have it in his mini a year or so ago? Im confused.

I don't think it's the same Soul Sword? Kurt currently has Illyana's.

[mar420x]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

What was he gonna do, slap Sinister with his softy, downy feathers?

The strength in his natural wings can easily break a man's arm or leg, or even project someone through a wall. He's also an accomplished hand-to-hand fighter. He was trained in hand-to-hand combat at Xavier's school, and received further training from the Black Widow and Hercules during his days with the Champions.

[Will.S]

Great image of Cable there.

[RoguishGurl]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

OMG, I love that!

[Yoshi]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

So...so...so... ICONIC.

[podmark]

I don't think it's the same Soul Sword? Kurt currently has Illyana's.

Kurt has our Illyana's, Warren has (had?) an alternate Illyana's sword. He got it during an Exiles crossover.

[Wind-Breaker]

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[Wind-Breaker]

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[Wind-Breaker]

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[Wind-Breaker]

What went wrong? The New X-Men screwing up again.


Them dang on kids, messing up the rescue mission.:p
God I'm hating the kids more and more!

The New X-Men really screwed up this time. Even more than the realize right now. Kids will be kids, I guess.

GI can't wait for Nori to get reamed out.

- The fact that Surge's little escapade ended up trashing not only her group and Rictor's cover, but also the group in Antarctica. If that doesn't sober her up, nothing will. Man, I feel for her.


And picture the reaming that Nori's going to get for f***ing up Scott's battle plan because they distracted Emma, and the Antarctic team's backup had to go save the students.
I'd guess they were thinking that Emma was enough to keep the upper hand until the New X-Men distracted her. Spankings and time-out for all the kids!

Considering how badly the New X-Men screwed up, I wouldn't be surprized if Scott and Emma would threaten to disband them. Maybe after MC thats how they're going to end the series IF they end the series. But based on some the solicits I've heard about, with the action they're set to be involved in they'll probably just get a slap on the wrist due the lack of manpower. But if one the people on that strike force end up dieing due to the error, man... :mad:

[DeniseXfrost]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg
OMG I love his watch.

[Mitsaso]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

That's...that's... ADORABLE!!!:D

[Pach!]

OMG I love his watch.

LOL. It has a little pouch.

[SnakeEater]

its funny how for so long people were saying Cable was the one who DIDNT have the baby, now look. lol. Marvel throws too many curve balls at us to the point where we dont know whats real or fake anymore.
Well Quesada is beating the crap out of us - he's ending the marriage and it seems as though he has won killing off all mutants. So yar we are buying right into his scheme - that mad doctor grr loving xmen too much to want to drop it

[Slyfer]

its funny how for so long people were saying Cable was the one who DIDNT have the baby, now look. lol. Marvel throws too many curve balls at us to the point where we dont know whats real or fake anymore.
Well Quesada is beating the crap out of us - he's ending the marriage and it seems as though he has won killing off all mutants. So yar we are buying right into his scheme - that mad doctor grr loving xmen too much to want to drop it

I will admit , I got owned and I got owned hard. I was adamant that Cable would not be the one to have the child, but when I saw that he was the one that did, I was excited out of my mind


One minute before dawn Kid. Now its just you and me





PRICELSS :cool:

[frog]

Has anyone considered that since the mission of the X-Team was to recover the baby and Rogue that it would certainly be useful to have a member to teleport one out (Kurt) and a member to fly the other out (Angel) quickly while the fighting is going down?

Angel has never been my pick as one of the more exciting characters but he's certainly not useless.

[frog]

I will admit , I got owned and I got owned hard. I was adamant that Cable would not be the one to have the child, but when I saw that he was the one that did, I was excited out of my mind

Thank you for setting an example. It's refreshing to see someone with the courage to admit they don't know everything!

[frog]

I don't really think that it's so odd for Storm to be holding the harpoon - she's using it to make a point that the X-team are there to take names. She showing that she is bad enough to take your weapon from your hands and then use it against you. I liked it.

[Charybdis4]

The strength in his natural wings can easily break a man's arm or leg, or even project someone through a wall. He's also an accomplished hand-to-hand fighter. He was trained in hand-to-hand combat at Xavier's school, and received further training from the Black Widow and Hercules during his days with the Champions.

Yes I'm sure Sinister is crapping his pants at the thought of taken on Warren...........:o

If it came to a choice, he'd probably chose Magneto or Dark Phoenix to go up against, what them being not as scary as Angel.

[Teh m0nk3y]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6730/x23protectsjulianyd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That was so cute of X-23 standing up for her man. :)

[Gaveedra 6]

I was counting on Angel being able to heal Kurt of his wounds, but then I remembered that due to Kurt's "demonic" heritage, Angel's blood is poison to him, right? Oh noes!

Another thing - Warren shouldn't have been nearly as hands-off in a melee fight like that. Considering how a couple key villans were essentially taken out by getting whomped in the head, he should have been able to take down a few. Those wings are STRONG and could have quickly clocked Tempo or anyone else who didn't really get to be featured in the fight. I was also hoping that when he confronted Sinister, some "Horseman of Death" programming would surface and be all kickass. Didn't that happen to Caliban once? O well. He got to do some talking...

[frog]

I was counting on Angel being able to heal Kurt of his wounds, but then I remembered that due to Kurt's "demonic" heritage, Angel's blood is poison to him, right? Oh noes!

Another thing - Warren shouldn't have been nearly as hands-off in a melee fight like that. Considering how a couple key villans were essentially taken out by getting whomped in the head, he should have been able to take down a few. Those wings are STRONG and could have quickly clocked Tempo or anyone else who didn't really get to be featured in the fight. I was also hoping that when he confronted Sinister, some "Horseman of Death" programming would surface and be all kickass. Didn't that happen to Caliban once? O well. He got to do some talking...

I still think his primary purpose in being there was probably for the rescue and recovery rather than the beat down.

[RoguishGurl]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6730/x23protectsjulianyd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That was so cute of X-23 standing up for her man. :)

I know!!! I can't wait until I read this issue.

[Deal Wit' This]

The whole theme of the X-Men(Cable, Jean, Cyclops) are that they are sheep and you're condemning someone who takes action like Exodus? Yeah right. And you have NO IDEA how his powers work..you're completely confusing him with Shiar Imperial Guard Gladiator.

I assume you are reffering to Cable, Jean, and Cyclops being Prof. X's sheep. If so you are only right on one out of three. Cable and Xavior never got along, though sometimes an allie, Cable was certainly never one of Xavior's sheep. Jean was a studant and a friend, but often vocally disagreed with the Prof. Not to mention she was always to wraped up in her own crazy to be anyones sheep. Ok Cyclops is pretty much a sheep. Or at least he was until recent history. Now not so much.

And it is true that Exodus' power does not work like Gladiator, but it is psychicly based. It is possible that it was being blocked by Ema as well. He may also have to be aware of both where he is and where he is going to teleport. Or it could just be as simple as he was knocked out by having his face slammed into the ground.

[Pro]

The strength in his natural wings can easily break a man's arm or leg

A swan's wings are powerfull enough to do that. Angel can likely crack a person's ribs if he finally would use his wings more offensively. They're strong enough to lift a full grown man in the air and keep him aloft for hours on end. Unfortunately writers rarely use this aspect of his powers.

[rwsmith]

If Angel starts taking people out by beating them up with his wings...:rolleyes:

[frog]

Angel can certainly take out some people simply by picking them up and then dropping them from a height.

[rwsmith]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

Great cover (though Cable looks a bit too pencil-necked in that image due to his high collar).

So, who does everyone think the traitor is? Can't be Gambit, as he's already working with Sinister (though I think he may be a plant by either the X-men or Cable). Cable seems like the obvious choice based on the conversation between Emma and Scott at the end of this issue, but that's why I think it's not him. Plus he's getting his own series, and I doubt they'd build a series around a guy who is a traitor to his species (not to mention his friends). Unless of course there's a good reason for it.

No, if Cable wanted to kill the baby he'd have done it by now. My thinking is that he didn't go to the X-men right away because he knows that there's someone in their ranks who would try to kill the child. My guess? Bishop.

I'm thinking that perhaps Bishop has a different idea for how the future ought to turn out than Cable, and thus wants to kill the child. Kind of reminds me of the old X-men the Animated Series episode where Bishop came back to prevent an outbreak of the Legacy Virus because it kills millions of people, but Cable was trying to stop him because without those millions dying in Bishop's time there were no antibodies to the virus in his time, and thus billions died. This may turn out to be something like that, which could be cool IMO.

It would probably set Bishop up to be the major antagonist of Cable's new series. And we all know that Bishop has been on the outs with the X-men since Civil War anyway, so it wouldn't be a stretch to see him become a full-on villain. Another thing that makes me think he's up to something is what he said to Cyclops about why he was late in getting to the X-mansion this issue. He was shaking down some of his old contacts in the mutant underground!? What? Yeah, right. That man is up to something.

I'm sure this will drive sinjection nuts, as Bishop is obviously one of the few black X-men who actually looks black, but he does make the most sense to me as the traitor right now.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I loved this issue and everything about it. Messiah CompleX is turning out better then I possibly imagined.

as for the Traitor issue, my money is on good ol' Professor X. They make a point to show how "on the outs" he feels, and it seems like every 30 pages he's getting slapped around verbaly by someone. seems like the Proff is the perfect person to betray the team and go join cable.

[Pro]

I doubt they'd build a series around a guy who is a traitor to his species

He doesn't have to betray his species to be a traitor, just the dream of peacefull human-mutant co-existence. More likely he is willing to make a future happen that will end in a human-mutant war just to save his species. Without the future that the baby somehow makes possible the mutant race is doomed, but it is doubtfull the x-men would go so far as to save their species over the backs of humanity.
Cable might. His entire life has been about saving the mutant race. He was fairly recently seen to be fanatical enough in uniting the remnants of the mutant race by resurrecting the monster he's spend his entire life fighting who subsequently tried to exterminate 90% of the human race without Cable interfering. Stands to reason he is willing to risk the human-mutant war we saw in the future if it means saving the mutant race from extinction.

[CmX]

I'm sure this will drive sinjection nuts, as Bishop is obviously one of the few black X-men who actually looks black, but he does make the most sense to me as the traitor right now.

OMG Sinjection would go postal on this forum if this happens.

Which it is. ;)

[frog]

Great cover (though Cable looks a bit too pencil-necked in that image due to his high collar).

So, who does everyone think the traitor is? Can't be Gambit, as he's already working with Sinister (though I think he may be a plant by either the X-men or Cable). Cable seems like the obvious choice based on the conversation between Emma and Scott at the end of this issue, but that's why I think it's not him. Plus he's getting his own series, and I doubt they'd build a series around a guy who is a traitor to his species (not to mention his friends). Unless of course there's a good reason for it.

No, if Cable wanted to kill the baby he'd have done it by now. My thinking is that he didn't go to the X-men right away because he knows that there's someone in their ranks who would try to kill the child. My guess? Bishop.

I'm thinking that perhaps Bishop has a different idea for how the future ought to turn out than Cable, and thus wants to kill the child. Kind of reminds me of the old X-men the Animated Series episode where Bishop came back to prevent an outbreak of the Legacy Virus because it kills millions of people, but Cable was trying to stop him because without those millions dying in Bishop's time there were no antibodies to the virus in his time, and thus billions died. This may turn out to be something like that, which could be cool IMO.

It would probably set Bishop up to be the major antagonist of Cable's new series. And we all know that Bishop has been on the outs with the X-men since Civil War anyway, so it wouldn't be a stretch to see him become a full-on villain. Another thing that makes me think he's up to something is what he said to Cyclops about why he was late in getting to the X-mansion this issue. He was shaking down some of his old contacts in the mutant underground!? What? Yeah, right. That man is up to something.



I also have been suspicious of Bishop, especially after his seeming unconcern about the M-Day situation when he discusses it with Beast in Endangered Species. His timing of showing up at the mansion right before the Sentinels attack is also interesting.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he turns out to be the traitor. I wouldn't be too surprised if he dies in this event as well.

[steve2275]

isnt bishop from 80 years from now?

[Pro]

isnt bishop from 80 years from now?

Somewhere around that era yes, and the mutant internment camp looks a lot like the mutant ghettoes he used to play cop in.
he also mentioned how unconcerned he was because he is from the future and it almost seemed like he was saying he knew these events would play out some day. He's not off the hook with regards to being the traitor. Guess we'll see how it plays out.
Starting to enjoy the crossover but still a bit carefull with saying i love it.
Still it's better than the past 3 years of mutant history.

[frog]

Somewhere around that era yes, and the mutant internment camp looks a lot like the mutant ghettoes he used to play cop in.
he also mentioned how unconcerned he was because he is from the future and it almost seemed like he was saying he knew these events would play out some day. He's not off the hook with regards to being the traitor. Guess we'll see how it plays out.
Starting to enjoy the crossover but still a bit carefull with saying i love it.
Still it's better than the past 3 years of mutant history.

Yes, I'm thinking Bishop might be the one that somehow was expecting Layla and the Dupe to show up at that relocation camp and hid information from them.

[Brian M.]

I still think the traitor might be Surge.

That would be rock bottom for her.

[frog]

I still think the traitor might be Surge.

That would be rock bottom for her.

I hadn't really considered her but I could see her going to Sinister if she thought he'd do in the Purifiers.

And there is all the foreshadowing surrounding David taking a dark turn too . . .


I love speculating!

[BulletSpeed]

Where is Jamies other dupe? So far we have only seen the dupe thats with Lyla 80 years from now in New York. Whats up with the first dupe that they sent out? Oh and Im new here :D

[Sheldon]

I like it when things go from bad to worse. It wouldn't be a cross over if the x-men didn't get their asses kicked a bit.

With the sentinel attack I wonder what other threat can they throw in for this crossover. We've had marauders, purifiers, reavers, acolytes, and sentinels.

What's next the MLF and the Nasty Boys with a sprinkling of some of mojo's warwolves?

But do you know what this issue needed?

A battle on the astral plane btw Sinister and Emma....We don't get astral plane battles anymore...

[Red Lotus]

Where is Jamies other dupe? So far we have only seen the dupe thats with Lyla 80 years from now in New York. Whats up with the first dupe that they sent out? Oh and Im new here :D

For some reason I think that is the reason why Jamie is out of it. Maybe the backlash from his Dupe killing himself/getting killed hit him.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Is the traitor definately one of the good guys?

Cos I was expecting Gambit to be the traitior, but a traitor to Sinister.

He still counts as an X Man?

[rage6839]

Bishop is a fave of mine and although he worked with the O*N*E, he is still a mutant first. I believe the main reason he joined them is because he figured mutants could do a better job. It is nice to see him back and just have to read and see how it plays out.

[Teh m0nk3y]

Isn't Bishop an Aboriginal Australian?
Though they have adopted aspects of black American and Afro-Caribbean culture...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Cable or Bishop.

Beast was a contender too months ago, but ES' ending and him giving a s**t about saving (I assume) Julian puts him in the clear.

[frog]

Could Cable possibly know that there is a traitor among the X-Men and be avoiding them for that reason?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Could Cable possibly know that there is a traitor among the X-Men and be avoiding them for that reason?

Yes.

But I rather have the feeling he merely knows things will go awfully wrong long term if the baby is in the wrong (Marauders, X-Men, whatever) hands.

Cable's obviously out to save or destroy something much bigger than the X-Men's immediate safety.

Am saying he's probably not losing sleep over some traitor, I guess. He didn't see Gambit's part coming, did he?

[Wind-Breaker]

My guess is Xavier. Maybe he has his own agenda with the child like Cable does. Maybe from being jilted by Scott for not givening him any authority in the matter. Otherwise the cop out guess would be Gambit

[Anodyne]

Yeah and not only was Maddie, Jean's clone but she was brought to life by a spark of Jean/Phoenix. So she was more than just a clone of Jean. Even her soul/consciousness was derived from Jean.

And Jean ended up absorbing Maddie and gaining her memories.
I disagree. IMHO the Jean/Phoenix spark only jump-started Madelyne's consciousness. From that moment on, she became her own individual self. Jean may have absorbed Maddie's memories, but that doesn't mean they were rightfully hers.

[Rick Summers]

Does Cable , having lived in the future, know who this baby is and is trying to protect him/her at all costs because they are needed to do something major in days to come?

http://www.thephoenixforce.com/banner-mc.jpg

[kate-pryde]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

This is my favorite Uncanny cover since 468. So adorably cute!



OMG I love his watch.

Maybe it's a reference to one minute til dawn?





No, if Cable wanted to kill the baby he'd have done it by now. My thinking is that he didn't go to the X-men right away because he knows that there's someone in their ranks who would try to kill the child. My guess? Bishop.


I agree. Cable's being painted as a traitor, but there's someone else who's the real traitor. I'm not sure about Bishop, since hasn't had a lot of contact with the others. Cable might not know that, but he's not in the inner core.

Xavier would be the other candidate, but he wasn't involved in the planning of the missions.

Or it might not have anything to do with a traitor and Cable has other plans for the baby. If he knows what the baby's future is, he may want to use her in a way the others wouldn't approve of.

[Red Lotus]

Yes.

But I rather have the feeling he merely knows things will go awfully wrong long term if the baby is in the wrong (Marauders, X-Men, whatever) hands.

Cable's obviously out to save or destroy something much bigger than the X-Men's immediate safety.

Am saying he's probably not losing sleep over some traitor, I guess. He didn't see Gambit's part coming, did he?

Soon the son will learn he is no match for the father.

[CmX]

Maybe it's a reference to one minute til dawn?


Nope! It's just the exact design used by Bachalo. He hada big ol'timex looking watch on.

[frog]

My guess is Xavier. Maybe he has his own agenda with the child like Cable does. Maybe from being jilted by Scott for not givening him any authority in the matter. Otherwise the cop out guess would be Gambit

I don't see Xavier doing something out of spite. He has made mistakes but he has always thought what he does is for the good of mutantkind. He wouldn't betray the X-Men unless there was more cause than his loss of status.

[mythog]

The only I see Xavier being a traitor is to protect the child from all sides both Good and bad.

[rZi]

The only I see Xavier being a traitor is to protect the child from all sides both Good and bad.

Yeah me too, otherwise it would be a "'wtf' moment for the character?

[Red Lotus]

Yeah me too, otherwise it would be a "'wtf' moment for the character?

Still this is a guy who for the good of mutant kind basically kept a sentient being hostage for years because it severed his purpose of training his students.

[LordAllMighty]

Isn't Bishop an Aboriginal Australian?
Though they have adopted aspects of black American and Afro-Caribbean culture...

IIRC, his grandfather "Gateway" is from Australia but Bishop was born in New York.

[Slyfer]

Still this is a guy who for the good of mutant kind basically kept a sentient being hostage for years because it severed his purpose of training his students.

Thats true not to mention The whole Vulcan Mess, Makes you wonder why Charles has been friends with Magnus so long, they are both the same.

As Namor said.

I don't Trust any of you

[Pro]

Thats true not to mention The whole Vulcan Mess, Makes you wonder why Charles has been friends with Magnus so long, they are both the same.

Yes because hiding the memory of someone's brother to prevent a young man from losing his mind due to survivor guilt and keeping a sentient robot designed to kill mutants from getting loose is exactly the same thing as trying to instigate a mutant-human war for racist reasons and blanketing the earth with an EMP pulse twice killing thousands in the process to pressure the UN into handing you over an island you can lord over as a dictator.
Brilliant reasoning.

[Askani's Flame]

This was a great issue. Does anyone know what's going on with the Sentinels? What was the silver liquid that wrapped up the guys and took over the system?

[frog]

Yes because hiding the memory of someone's brother to prevent a young man from losing his mind due to survivor guilt and keeping a sentient robot designed to kill mutants from getting loose is exactly the same thing as trying to instigate a mutant-human war for racist reasons and blanketing the earth with an EMP pulse twice killing thousands in the process to pressure the UN into handing you over an island you can lord over as a dictator.
Brilliant reasoning.

I can't agree with you about Danger. When he first became aware of the Danger Room's sentience I don't believe she had an agenda at that time.

[Pro]

When he first became aware of the Danger Room's sentience I don't believe she had an agenda at that time.

It can be reasonably assumed that she would pose a danger seeing how the danger room was specifically designed to test mutants and has a lethal setting.

Even if it was the friendliest computer in the world i still don't see how it measures up against trying to instigate a human-mutant war for racist reasons and killing thousands to pressure the UN into giving you an isle to play dictator on.

But that might just be me.

[Pro]

This was a great issue. Does anyone know what's going on with the Sentinels? What was the silver liquid that wrapped up the guys and took over the system?

At first i thought it was Random but Random was with Sinister at the time so not sure.

[frog]

It can be reasonably assumed that she would pose a danger seeing how the danger room was specifically designed to test mutants and has a lethal setting.

Even if it was the friendliest computer in the world i still don't see how it measures up against trying to instigate a human-mutant war for racist reasons and killing thousands to pressure the UN into giving you an isle to play dictator on.

But that might just be me.

No, I don't think Magneto and Xavier compare.

However, I don't think what Xavier did was right at all. He isn't beyond reproach and it's coming back to him now.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What Chuck did was either wrong or highly questionable.

Still not in the same league as Mags.

[Pro]

No, I don't think Magneto and Xavier compare.

However, I don't think what Xavier did was right at all. He isn't beyond repproach and it's coming back to him now.

Sure that's obvious, i just find it funny when people compare Xavier to Magneto and say they're the same morally speaking.

[frog]

The irony in the Xavier situation is that it looks like his protege is about to go right down the same path.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sure that's obvious, i just find it funny when people compare Xavier to Magneto and say they're the same morally speaking.

Rather this than the "Who was right" debate, come to think of it.

I'll take "Chuck is as bad as Mags" over "Mags was right" any day.

Gotta love it when the lesser of two evils doesn't make any sense, eh. :eek:

[jarrod]

Magnus has the benefit of being mentally unstable though, as a result of the use of his abilities. People might think insanity to be something of a cop out defense (unless it's Jean for some reason) but it still lends a greater degree of innocence than what we've seen from Xaiver.

It's like comparing apples to oranges... even if they're both rotten, it's still a tough comparison.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The irony in the Xavier situation is that it looks like his protege is about to go right down the same path.

Only better in the ruthless/homicidal department.

And yes, that's me saying a Black Ops *MURDEROUS* team PWNZ.

You people didn't think I chose that nick solely for the Star Wars reference, right? :D

[frog]

Magnus has the benefit of being mentally unstable though, as a result of the use of his abilities. People might think insanity to be something of a cop out defense (unless it's Jean for some reason) but it still lends a greater degree of innocence than what we've seen from Xaiver.

It's like comparing apples to oranges... even if they're both rotten, it's still a tough comparison.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Xavier and any telepath wasn't at least a little mentally skewed. Hearing the thoughts of others has to affect your mind somehow. I sure wouldn't want to hear what everyone is thinking most of the time!

[Pro]

Never bought into the insanity cop out.

[ScarletStorm]

I loved this issue....haven't been this excited about an X-Men storyline in I don't know when! Storm rocked the house, and the New X-Men kids are Kuh-razee! Poor Pixie, she so had me rooting for her...and Nightcrawler getting shot was so sad:(

Looking forward to what hauptman Summers has up his sleeve (I think it's Nezhno) next ish..and I really what a confrontation between Cable and Predator X!

Where is Kitty in all of this?

Faded, thanks for the avatars! (i heart the Storm one so much)

I'm so loving seeing all the teams mixed up together like this! Hope Siryn gets to shine some soon!

[ExodusCloak]

I sure wouldn't want to hear what everyone is thinking most of the time!

If I could eventually control it then I would. :p

[mythog]

I just find it hard to understand how people seem to be able to forgive the likes of Mystique, Emma, sabertooth,and so on but can't seem to forgive Xavier who has done some really goods things as well as stupid things in his past.

[jarrod]

Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Xavier and any telepath wasn't at least a little mentally skewed. Hearing the thoughts of others has to affect your mind somehow. I sure wouldn't want to hear what everyone is thinking most of the time!
I can see that too honestly. I'd say it's definitely shaped those who had to make their own way at least (Farouk, Xaiver, Emma, etc) versus those who had more nurturing or guidance (Jean, Nathan, Rachel, etc).


Never bought into the insanity cop out.
Yeah, I agree... Jean's clearly a stone cold mass murderer. :P


IWhere is Kitty in all of this?
*weeps*

[frog]

I just find it hard to understand how people seem to be able to forgive the likes of Mystique, Emma, sabertooth,and so on but can't seem to forgive Xavier who has done some really goods things as well as stupid things in his past.

It's always a worse betrayal when it's someone you've looked up too. They expected such things of the others you mentioned.

[ZNOP]

Isn't Bishop an Aboriginal Australian?
Though they have adopted aspects of black American and Afro-Caribbean culture...

That is how he was eventually re-introduced.

F.Y.I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians

[tunasammiches]

The strength in his natural wings can easily break a man's arm or leg, or even project someone through a wall. He's also an accomplished hand-to-hand fighter. He was trained in hand-to-hand combat at Xavier's school, and received further training from the Black Widow and Hercules during his days with the Champions.

Yeah, then why is he constantly getting his nads handed to him? Pit him against someone like Tempo or Lady Mastermind, then maybe. But up against someone like Sinister? Shyeah right. Even someone with passive powers like Callisto was able to pwn his winged-ass.

He's got the same hand-to-hand combat training as everyone else who went to Xavier's school, his "powerful" wings don't seem to stand up against ANYONE who else who has powers, and the writers should probably enhance his mutations, his fighting skills OR arm him a bazooka to fly around with... or at least write him better.

Where is Kitty in all of this?

*Sad face*. Anyone else wanna field this one?

I just find it hard to understand how people seem to be able to forgive the likes of Mystique, Emma, sabertooth,and so on but can't seem to forgive Xavier who has done some really goods things as well as stupid things in his past.

I think it might be harder in this case, because Xavier is someone they gave their ABSOLUTE trust to for years. That's a bigger betrayal when it comes from within.

I like it when things go from bad to worse. It wouldn't be a cross over if the x-men didn't get their asses kicked a bit.

With the sentinel attack I wonder what other threat can they throw in for this crossover. We've had marauders, purifiers, reavers, acolytes, and sentinels.

What's next the MLF and the Nasty Boys with a sprinkling of some of mojo's warwolves?

But do you know what this issue needed?

A battle on the astral plane btw Sinister and Emma....We don't get astral plane battles anymore...

And the return of the X-BABIES!!! Happiness.

[ScarletStorm]

I can see that too honestly. I'd say it's definitely shaped those who had to make their own way at least (Farouk, Xaiver, Emma, etc) versus those who had more nurturing or guidance (Jean, Nathan, Rachel, etc).



Yeah, I agree... Jean's clearly a stone cold mass murderer. :P



*weeps*

There, there, jarrod, she's gotta be okay....we'll just need to stay strong!

[Pro]

Yeah, I agree...

Racism is not a mental disorder. I can see his megalomania as insanity and it may well be a result of power instability but that's not the basis for his attitude towards humans.

[tipo4thesoul]

Racism is not a mental disorder. I can see his megalomania as insanity and it may well be a result of power instability but that's not the basis for his attitude towards humans.

In Mag's defense, he was in the concentration camps. He witnessed first had how far hatred could take humanity. He is just willing to push back.

He sort of reminds me of a older Malcolm X before his trip to Mecca. Set in his idea and beliefs and willing to fight for them.

Xavier just has a need to be the one making all the right moves. He is like a superman, taking the burden of all mutants on his shoulders. There is no excuse for some of the things he does.

[frog]

In Mag's defense, he was in the concentration camps. He witnessed first had how far hatred could take humanity. He is just willing to push back.



That's what makes it so bad, though. He's doing what was done to him and he knows it's wrong and won't solve anything.

[ZNOP]

Yeah, then why is he constantly getting his nads handed to him? Pit him against someone like Tempo or Lady Mastermind, then maybe. But up against someone like Sinister? Shyeah right. Even someone with passive powers like Callisto was able to pwn his winged-ass.

He's got the same hand-to-hand combat training as everyone else who went to Xavier's school, his "powerful" wings don't seem to stand up against ANYONE who else who has powers, and the writers should probably enhance his mutations, his fighting skills OR arm him a bazooka to fly around with... or at least write him better.

Been there, done that when Apocalypse gave him razor sharp, metal wings. Why that was taken away is beyond me. That upgrade should have been a keeper.

[tunasammiches]

Been there, done that when Apocalypse gave him razor sharp, metal wings. Why that was taken away is beyond me. That upgrade should have been a keeper.

Yeah, or at least the light wings. Those were cool as hell.

Or...er...heaven?

[Pro]

In Mag's defense, he was in the concentration camps. He witnessed first had how far hatred could take humanity. He is just willing to push back.

Exactly, so no insanity plea.

[Omega Alpha]

Where is Kitty in all of this?


Six feet under.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Sorry I'm late to the game. Here's my review of X-Men #205:

http://www.alexsanchez.net/host/cbr/REVIEW-xmen205.gif

[ChemicalReaction]

a) The x-men vs the acolytes was idiotic. They should never have gone in there
b) they should have done anywhere near as well as they did
c) why the hell wasn't Emma in Cerebra/ using Charles to help? and cyclops was just having tea? wtf?
d) the new x-men are so effing annoying.

I dunno. This issue was weird. There are too many "huh?" moments for me.

[Tobias Drake]

Man, I like the New X-Men, but wow, they have screwed up biblically on this one.

[KidNewWave]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2075903187_1cb2d48542_b.jpg
This panel screams Gambit covering for Mystique and Rogue's gettaway!

[Red Lotus]

Sorry I'm late to the game. Here's my review of X-Men #205:

http://www.alexsanchez.net/host/cbr/REVIEW-xmen205.gif

Is it wrong that 1. I'm enjoying the fact that Sinister and the Marauders keep stomping the X-men. 2. I want them to stomp the X-men again and again and again. and again::evilsmile

[caney]

Sorry I'm late to the game. Here's my review of X-Men #205:


Very cute! :)

[Ultrawolf]

He doesn't have to betray his species to be a traitor, just the dream of peacefull human-mutant co-existence. More likely he is willing to make a future happen that will end in a human-mutant war just to save his species. Without the future that the baby somehow makes possible the mutant race is doomed, but it is doubtfull the x-men would go so far as to save their species over the backs of humanity.


I disagree. I think Cable is the last person to betray humanity or mutant-kind. Remember that whole Messiah Complex he had with Providence? It wasn't Genosha, it was for humans AND mutants. Cable believes in the dream, just not the same means as Charlie. I think if he would betray them over anything, it would be to prevent any war from happening. It's the problem with coming from the future, time takes on a completely different perspective.

[Michael Sean]

I disagree. IMHO the Jean/Phoenix spark only jump-started Madelyne's consciousness. From that moment on, she became her own individual self. Jean may have absorbed Maddie's memories, but that doesn't mean they were rightfully hers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeaninfern.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanext.jpg

[Brian M.]

I love everytime someone asks "Where's Kitty?"

[Red Lotus]

I love everytime someone asks "Where's Kitty?"

Who cares about Kitty. Where is Husk?

[Pro]

I disagree. I think Cable is the last person to betray humanity or mutant-kind.

How do you explain resurrecting Apocalypse so Apoc could attempt to wipe out 90% of humanity without Cable doing a damn thing to stop him then?
And don't start with:"But he didn't succeed" because that's a cop out if i ever saw one. It's like resurrecting Hitler and giving him the keys to america's nuclear arsenal in hopes of uniting humanity against terrorism. Cable already betrayed the x-men when he sicked Apocalypse on them "to unite the mutant race".

[Alphaxman]

Who cares about Kitty. Where is Husk?

She’s probably locked in the library with Karma restocking the books or tied up at Warren’s apartment waiting to be sexed up.:rolleyes:

[Kal]

Hmmm. What if the traitor is......

*drum roll*

....Storm???

She's the only one who wasn't hurt during the fight with Sinister and his crew. And she's the only one left behind.

Hmm.

[Post-It]

I doubt it would be Cable or Bishop, 1. my personal opion 2. its too obvious.

Cable is the good guy who acts bad, sometimes does really bad things (awaken Apoc), but always has a plan for peace. He has never bertrayed any of his former comrades although he will put missions ahead of friendships(what he did in early days to 6-pack). He is more of the feared, respected, and hated general willing to sacrifice all his men to win; never a traitor. Unless they make him being traitor part of one his crazy plans to "save the world"

Bishop is all about the rule of law and holds both mutants and humans to it equally, almost like Judge Dredd. Unfortunately, due to this he is sort of the "sell-out" among mutants in that he doest share their anti the gov't views but instead seeks to work from within to make change (the smartest way to do it). Who else but him or logan can cover Summers mouth, tell him to shut the f'up, and get away with it? Plus it would be too obvious that since he works for ONE he would be a traitor.

I think the traitor is Kitty or Pete, having been replaced by a Skrull.

[Pro]

Cable is the good guy who acts bad, sometimes does really bad things (awaken Apoc), but always has a plan for peace.

He did not have a plan for peace when he awoke Apocalypse. He just woke him, then stepped back while Apocalypse tried forcing the UN into killing 90% of humanity, addicted the 198 to his blood and transformed 3 x-men into his horsemen. What exactly was Cable's plan for peace there?

He has never bertrayed any of his former comrades although he will put missions ahead of friendships(what he did in early days to 6-pack).

Except for Sunfire, Polaris and Gambit being transformed and brainwashed by his greatest enemy and the rest of the 198 being made addicted to Apocalypse's blood .. That wasn't betrayal? What does a guy have to do these days to be considered a traitor?

Next we'll say Apocalypse isn't really a villain either, just an idealist.

[ZNOP]

How do you explain resurrecting Apocalypse so Apoc could attempt to wipe out 90% of humanity without Cable doing a damn thing to stop him then?
And don't start with:"But he didn't succeed" because that's a cop out if i ever saw one. It's like resurrecting Hitler and giving him the keys to america's nuclear arsenal in hopes of uniting humanity against terrorism. Cable already betrayed the x-men when he sicked Apocalypse on them "to unite the mutant race".

Cable did what?!? Damn here is yet another story I, didn't get tot read. I don't suppose you (or anyone else) can give me details on exactly what went down?

[Destro777]

What an incredible comic. I had a big grin on my face from when Logan and nightcrawler teleport out till the end. Carey and Bach just trumped everybody else's MC ish with this one. They just got that chemistry that strikes the right xmen atmosphere. The best since Morrison and Quitely imo. So many great moments here. Dang, Bach was sorely missed the past few months.

[Pro]

Cable did what?!? Damn here is yet another story I, didn't get tot read. I don't suppose you (or anyone else) can give me details on exactly what went down?

It was a horrible story really, one of the worst in the history of the x-men, Decimation excepted.

Basically Cable resurrected Apocalypse to reunite the remnants of the mutant race. Apocalypse subsequently transformed Sunfire, Polaris, Gambit and Gazer into his new horsemen and he attacked the UN, giving them an ultimatum to kill off 90% of humanity to even the odds in a human-mutant war. Apocalypse also addicted the 198 to his own blood to ensure their loyalty.
He was defeated way too easily and then ran into a machine that he thought would end his life. Yes the big survivalist who spend over 5000 years or so surviving attempted to commit suicide because he lost. Instead he was teleported in the presence of a talking (??) Celestial who claimed to have some big plan for him.

End of story. Sold it back to the comic store as soon as i finished reading it.

[claimtosubclaim]

Hmmm. What if the traitor is......

*drum roll*

....Storm???

She's the only one who wasn't hurt during the fight with Sinister and his crew. And she's the only one left behind.

Hmm.

Angel and Colossus are with her.

[Post-It]

He did not have a plan for peace when he awoke Apocalypse. He just woke him, then stepped back while Apocalypse tried forcing the UN into killing 90% of humanity, addicted the 198 to his blood and transformed 3 x-men into his horsemen. What exactly was Cable's plan for peace there?



Except for Sunfire, Polaris and Gambit being transformed and brainwashed by his greatest enemy and the rest of the 198 being made addicted to Apocalypse's blood .. That wasn't betrayal? What does a guy have to do these days to be considered a traitor?

Next we'll say Apocalypse isn't really a villain either, just an idealist.


He did have a plan then. Was it his brightest, no. But it was a plan.

As for the others, no it was not betrayal. He never forced them to become horsemen or sold them out to Apoc. They were victims of his stupidity.

Making a stupid world altering decision is different from committing knowing treason. At least thats the way I see. But we are all entitled to our opinions.

[Bodyslide]

All I can say is WOW....

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

[Pro]

Making a stupid world altering decision is different from committing knowing treason

Honestly if you awake the mutant equivalent of Hitler you KNOW people are going to die or at the least being used in his vile plots .. How can anyone say it's just a mistake if you resurrect Hitler and he starts planning to gas jews again??

He never forced them to become horsemen or sold them out to Apoc.

He forced it upon them by deciding to resurrect Apocalypse. Sure he didn't stand next to Apocalypse pushing the button that turned them into horsemen but good lord unless he is an absolute retard there is no way he can't be held responsible.

[Affinity]

Most striking cover in all the crossover!

I hate the black and red border. It's ruining a lot of this for me >:[[[[[[

I loved this issue! It really feels like a crossover; we got to see Bachalo's New X-Men (PIXIEEEEEE) and his Layla Miller, too! We needed more of his Iceman, though.

Notice how Mystique was cleverly avoiding the fight? I didn't see her attack one X-Man.

ALSO OMGAUHH LOVE THE BABY BEING A GIRL. That's hot! Eff Matt Landru!

[Pach!]

Most striking cover in all the crossover!

I hate the black and red border. It's ruining a lot of this for me >:[[[[[[

I loved this issue! It really feels like a crossover; we got to see Bachalo's New X-Men (PIXIEEEEEE) and his Layla Miller, too! We needed more of his Iceman, though.

Notice how Mystique was cleverly avoiding the fight? I didn't see her attack one X-Man.

ALSO OMGAUHH LOVE THE BABY BEING A GIRL. That's hot! Eff Matt Landru!

I love the black/red border and the fact that they are all drawn by the same artist. It just makes them so uniform and part of something bigger.

[Pro]

Btw, did Pixie lose her wings? They seemed ragged and tattered after she teleported the team away from the Reavers.
I suppose she doesn't really need them for transportation anymore now that she can teleport and fragile butterfly wings were bound to get ripped to shreds at one point or another, just wondered if I saw right.

[Affinity]

Them all being by the same artist is a delight; Finch is amazing. J. Scott Campbell needs to step up his game.

I suppose looking at the larger picture makes the black border useful in that it's providing that uniform look you ADORE but I wish we could instead get a sidebanner like the House of M tie ins! If not that then at least something remotely creative and artsy.

[Affinity]

Btw, did Pixie lose her wings? They seemed ragged and tattered after she teleported the team away from the Reavers.
I suppose she doesn't really need them for transportation anymore now that she can teleport and fragile butterfly wings were bound to get ripped to shreds at one point or another, just wondered if I saw right.

Looked like that to me. And she screamed like crazy!

[ProfeZZor X]

All I can say is WOW....

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5249/cvrpg5.jpg

This image kind of reminds me of that movie "Shoot Em Up".

[verybored3]

i remember before the crossover we heard rogue was getting a powers change in the crossover.wouldn't it be cool if she took mystiques power permanently and when she absorbed somebodys power she could shapeshift into the person whose powers she took and effectively became them. my 5 bucks says bishop is the traitor . the guy has had no purpose for years he came back in time to stop the traitor from killing the x-men. xavier was the traitor and he stopped them he had district x and some role in civil war but who is really going to miss him if hes gone they just maybe killed off gateway his only known living relative. i bet they are going to use him and throw him away like they used quicksilver in house of m and subsequently into x-factor a second tier x-men team at best

[Pyro]

Why is Angel always useless in battle? He really does have power. He can fly and he's got super-strength in his wings. I bet if he smacked people with them he would knock them out. And I am so serious. I want to see Angel do some wing-karate.

And I'm mad that everyone was about to retreat without Rogue. It's like they forgot about her. I doubt Storm forgot. She's still steamrolling the Marauders. She's like Wonder Woman with that harpoon and all. During the battle, I imagine she sounds like one of the Williams sisters when they yell in tennis. "HA!"

Boo:
- Who decides what words in the dialogue should be emphasized? Are they picked out at random by a machine? Because lines like "I'll get you out of here" and "Can you hear me" makes me wonder if the person responsible has ever heard people talk.I know! That seems to happen in a lot of comic books. I don't understand why they stress words that aren't usually stressed.

I made avatars for anyone who wants them in anticipation for tomorrow, when I (hopefully) can pick up the issue.Ooh, the Storm one is pretty! May I use it? :D

[xmanson]

Great issue overall. It was just weird that the X-men simply forgot Rogue and malice and Lday M intorducing themselves to someone that already knows them read very "clunkly".

[SnakeEater]

the one minute before dawn line - was that mentioned before. i dont recall of the top of my head but ive heard it before

[xmanson]

the one minute before dawn line - was that mentioned before. i dont recall of the top of my head but ive heard it before

People already mentioned the issue here, just look for it, can't remember the page, though.

And Pixie grew some knockers on that JSC cover, huh?

[pryde15]

People already mentioned the issue here, just look for it, can't remember the page, though.

And Pixie grew some knockers on that JSC cover, huh?


yeah she did lol, when I saw it, it kind of reminded me of Medina and Ramos art mixed together.

[frog]

the one minute before dawn line - was that mentioned before. i dont recall of the top of my head but ive heard it before

Oh yes, that line has come up before and it's significant. Take a look back through this thread.

[HepOne]

Best issue of Carey's X-Men since the first arc

[Anodyne]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeaninfern.jpg
Madelyne wasn't there any longer. Just before this scene, Jean says, "No! She's gone--and taking me with her!" (quoting from memory) The Phoenix could have passed Maddie's memories on to jean the same way she passed Jean's memories on to Maddie.

Shortly after telling the Phoenix, "I accept you--willingly," Jean declares that she rejected the Phoenix "with every fiber of my being."

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Just because Jean's arrogant enough to believe that doesn't make it true. It takes a heckuva lot of chutzpah to claim that a a cosmic force, "the sum and substance of all that lives," is merely an extension of you. If Jean had said *she* was an extension of the Phoenix Force, I might have believed her.

[ProfeZZor X]

Wait...the X-men go to the Antarctic and don't include Iceman as a memeber.:confused:

Hello Iceman......:eek:

Think of how easy it would be for him to finish them off. I actually think Carey was smart in leaving him out of it, for that very reason. Though I did wish someone on the X-team would have made reference to it. Like: "This is Bobby's element... why isn't he here?".

Besides, we already know that he's helping Beast tend to an incapacitated Sam. So much like Rogue, I wouldn't expect to see him in every issue.

[dotdotdot]

Though I did wish someone on the X-team would have made reference to it. Like: "This is Bobby's element... why isn't he here?".



are you kidding? that is so cheesy.

[We R. Venom]

are you kidding? that is so cheesy.

It's not any different than sending Wolverine to kill or track someone. To me anyway.

[Faded]

MAN, this issue was magnificent.

It was excellently paced and grabbed my attention from start to finish. If any of the various rumors about X-Men: Legacy is true, I think it'll definitely be a treat.

MC's Lady Mastermind just can never go away--along with Omega Malice, he has brought in some of the most entertaining villains I've seen in a long time.

Bachalo stepped it up like WOAAAH. I know creaky wasn't happy about it, but I think he's really improved on his Nightcrawler--who is usually one of his weaker characters (more avatars after the jump!!!--I've always wanted to say that). He was BORN to draw the New X-Men kids (and Layla Miller!), he was MADE by whatever machine created him to draw the Marauders, and he's my baby daddy for the way he draws the X-Men.

Artistically, this was the issue I was waiting for.

As far as I'm concerned, this IS A-List art on an A-List issue.

Faded, thanks for the avatars! (i heart the Storm one so much)

I'm so loving seeing all the teams mixed up together like this! Hope Siryn gets to shine some soon!

No problem, sweetums!

Man, I'm really looking forward to the rest of X-Factor working with the X-Men. The next New X-Men issue can't come soon enough!

Btw, did Pixie lose her wings? They seemed ragged and tattered after she teleported the team away from the Reavers.
I suppose she doesn't really need them for transportation anymore now that she can teleport and fragile butterfly wings were bound to get ripped to shreds at one point or another, just wondered if I saw right.

At first, I thought they were a result of miscommunication, but have Pixie's wings officially regenerated from their burnt-to-a-crisp phase? I wonder if her using spells and mystical abilities causes a side-effect to her mutant abilities.

Sorry I'm late to the game. Here's my review of X-Men #205:

http://www.alexsanchez.net/host/cbr/REVIEW-xmen205.gif


HA! Cute!

AVATARS:
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[pryde15]

By any chance could we have one of Angel :D

I stilll haven't gotten my issue, I am so mad, Bachalo's art looks AMAZING! :(

[Faded]

By any chance could we have one of Angel :D

I stilll haven't gotten my issue, I am so mad, Bachalo's art looks AMAZING! :(

I could only find two, so I added an extra one from the Giant-Sized Astonishing cover, too. :O

Hope you like!

[pryde15]

I could only find two, so I added an extra one from the Giant-Sized Astonishing cover, too. :O

Hope you like!

oo those are awesome! Thanks :D :D :D

[Hi-Fi]

Hi-Fi, if you're reading this (and provided that you're in the know): How much longer must we endure Rogue's non-involvement? Issue 205 was great, but an ass-kicking Rogue included would've made it all the more sweeter. Are readers supposed to assume she's sleeping all this ruckus out?
Just a little longer. She will wake up to play her part, don't worry. ;)

[Slung]

Hi-Fi, if you're reading this (and provided that you're in the know): How much longer must we endure Rogue's non-involvement? Issue 205 was great, but an ass-kicking Rogue included would've made it all the more sweeter. Are readers supposed to assume she's sleeping all this ruckus out?
Eh, I've been waiting for Jean to come kick-ass for the past four years, I'm sure you can wait a few more issues. :(

[Toboe]

I finally got my issue. Carey is da man. And I actually enjoyed Bachalo's art a lot, being able to tell what was going on, which is a plus.

Something that left me al WTF is why wasn't Emma on Cerebra helping the team? Maybe even getting the Cuckoos to help her. That way the connection would've been stronger and no so easily distracted. And more importantly, why wasn't Xavier doing that, when he's way more powerful than Emma?

What's left of Pixie's wings sure looks painful. Excellent. :evilsmile
But I fear for what being stabbed and being dropped in a dumpster is gonna do for Hellion before Iceman or whoever arrives to get them...

I hope it'll be explained what Monet and the other absent faces are doing in the meanwhile...

[claimtosubclaim]

Eh, I've been waiting for Jean to come kick-ass for the past four years, I'm sure you can wait a few more issues. :(

I'm hoping that whether or not Jean (without the Phoenix) comes back (they'd have to have one hell of a feasible plan for that one) that Carey will get to write her in flashbacks in Legacy, as he has stated an affinity for her character.

[Slung]

I'm hoping that whether or not Jean (without the Phoenix) comes back (they'd have to have one hell of a feasible plan for that one) that Carey will get to write her in flashbacks in Legacy, as he has stated an affinity for her character.

Sure its nice to read about Jean in past adventures - but it isn't the same as reading what she is doing now.

As for the issue at hand: LOVED it! Bachalo is a comic book master and Carey is genius. I can't believe this title is changing its artist. Sad day.

[Sentou Ryoku]

Just a little longer. She will wake up to play her part, don't worry.

Yay! Hopefully Bachalo will still get to draw her before all's said and done with Messiah Complex =)

[Nyssane]

Just a little longer. She will wake up to play her part, don't worry. ;)

Hi-Fiii, what did you think of hot ass Unuscione and Frenzy DPing Colossus?

[Hi-Fi]

Yay! Hopefully Bachalo will still get to draw her before all's said and done with Messiah Complex =)
He will. ;)

Hi-Fiii, what did you think of hot ass Unuscione and Frenzy DPing Colossus?
HOT! They should have killed him!

[Home made ectoplasm]

Bachalo stepped it up like WOAAAH. I know creaky wasn't happy about it, but I think he's really improved on his Nightcrawler--who is usually one of his weaker characters (more avatars after the jump!!!--I've always wanted to say that). He was BORN to draw the New X-Men kids (and Layla Miller!), he was MADE by whatever machine created him to draw the Marauders, and he's my baby daddy for the way he draws the X-Men.

Artistically, this was the issue I was waiting for.

As far as I'm concerned, this IS A-List art on an A-List issue.



I agree, the art was stunning

Mind if I use one of those Nightcrawler avatars Faded?

[Slung]

Hi Fi - would you use your foreknowledge to tell me if Monet will show up under Carey and Bachalo. Cause I would LOVE to see Chucky draw her again.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm hoping that whether or not Jean (without the Phoenix) comes back (they'd have to have one hell of a feasible plan for that one) that Carey will get to write her in flashbacks in Legacy, as he has stated an affinity for her character.

I'm extremely neutral with the whole Jean resurrection thing that's been going on in this and other threads, but if they do bring her back as a reincarnation from this baby, I hope there are no present reminents of her old personality any time soon. By that I mean I hope this baby represents the manifested powers of Jean, but is an entirely new character.

As far as I can remember, this would be a first for Jean to come back to life in this manner, and it would only seem fitting that it's written correctly, and not some half-assed ploy to excellerate her growth into the old Jean in order to appease so many of you anticipating fans. I'd be okay if she was accellerated to a toddler, but that's as far as I would go... for now.

[Hi-Fi]

Hi Fi - would you use your foreknowledge to tell me if Monet will show up under Carey and Bachalo. Cause I would LOVE to see Chucky draw her again.
Then you will be happy.

[claimtosubclaim]

I'm extremely neutral with the whole Jean resurrection thing that's been going on in this and other threads, but if they do bring her back as a reincarnation from this baby, I hope there are no present reminents of her old personality any time soon. By that I mean I hope this baby represents the manifested powers of Jean, but is an entirely new character.

As far as I can remember, this would be a first for Jean to come back to life in this manner, and it would only seem fitting that it's written correctly, and not some half-assed ploy to excellerate her growth into the old Jean in order to appease so many of you anticipating fans. I'd be okay if she was accellerated to a toddler, but that's as far as I would go... for now.

I would rather she not come back. For all intents and purposes, the only reason I even want her to return is for some interaction with her old pals in the 05 (sans Scott, who doesn't deserve to speak with her ever again). This First Class business is just not enough.

Then you will be happy.

If that group shot w/ Bobby, Sam, Warren, Theresa, and Monet gets some good beats in 206, then I will be one happy camper.

[Brian M.]

How freaking hard is it to understand that the baby is just a damn mutant baby?

[Home made ectoplasm]

How freaking hard is it to understand that the baby is just a damn mutant baby?

Duh, you'll eat your words when the big reveal is the baby is the reincarnation of Banshee...

..oh wait its a girl?