View Full Version : What is so appealing about Frank Miller's Batman?
TomServoFan
11-28-2007, 09:05 AM
I mean come on, he made Batman look fat.
I mean come on, he made Batman look fat.
It should be obvious, fat Batman allowed most of us fans to more closely identify with the character.
hangmanjury
11-28-2007, 09:12 AM
I mean come on, he made Batman look fat.
I came in to this thread expecting another Miller-bashing thread, and...
....I cracked up laughing.
TomServoFan
11-28-2007, 09:19 AM
I mean he should have called him "FatMan".
I mean he should have called him "FatMan".
Hey crime fighting is hard work, and a man needs to keep up his strength.
Now give me those Ho-Ho's.
Punk.
caboose
11-28-2007, 10:24 AM
Frank's Batman also taps that ass young.
Frank's Batman also taps that ass young.
Fat and somewhat like everybody’s creepy uncle.
Sounds more like one of us all the time.
marvelgirl27
11-28-2007, 11:28 AM
It should be obvious, fat Batman allowed most of us fans to more closely identify with the character.
Yes, fat people will eventually rule the world. :D
baconbutterburger
11-28-2007, 03:21 PM
By fattening the dark knight, making him uglier, angrier, and sort of ped-ish, Mr.Miller has found a way to appeal/identify with most of the american population.
The Xenos
11-28-2007, 03:40 PM
He's not fat. He's bat-boned.
caboose
11-28-2007, 04:38 PM
He's not fat. He's bat-boned.
Funniest thing I've heard all day.
Yes my day was sad.
Dr. Chaos
11-29-2007, 09:52 PM
He's 100% childhood fulfillment, if you had asked me to write a Batman comic, this is how it would probably turn out.
He's an absolutely nuts and unhinged thug that loves to torture his enemies, he seems to love doing everything to them except kill them.
I also enjoy his isolated nature towards the rest of the DC universe and The Justice League considering I could care less about anything they put out outside of the Batman franchise.
In alot of ways, I think I'm just as ****ed up as Frank Miller becuase on some strange level, I feel like this book completely gets the psychotic comic book fan inside me.
hangmanjury
11-29-2007, 09:54 PM
He's 100% childhood fulfillment, if you had asked me to write a Batman comic, this is how it would probably turn out.
He's an absolutely nuts and unhinged thug that loves to torture his enemies, he seems to love doing everything to them except kill them.
I also enjoy his isolated nature towards the rest of the DC universe and The Justice League considering I could care less about anything they put out outside of the Batman franchise.
In alot of ways, I think I'm just as ****ed as Frank Miller becuase on some strange level, I feel like this book completely gets the psychotic comic book fan inside me.
Yes, but what does this have to do with his being fat?
Dr. Chaos
11-29-2007, 09:56 PM
Sorry, I was feeling serious.
It won't happen again.
the goddamn batman
11-29-2007, 09:58 PM
By fattening the dark knight, making him uglier, angrier, and sort of ped-ish, Mr.Miller has found a way to appeal/identify with most of the american population.
Dude, that's not anything Miller did.
Dude haven't you heard? He's the goddamn batman.
..........yeah im not to keen on miller either bro.
AntiChappy
11-30-2007, 08:57 AM
I've always kinda enjoyed Fatman... then again, I like the way Miller draws DC in general. Just the whole gritting-teethed, big boned behemoth who you KNOW fights dirty just from his expressions always seemed appealing. ^^
Ramiel
11-30-2007, 10:30 AM
I don't remember Miller drawing a Fat Batman, I thought it was just like an over exaggerated muscle bond kind of guy, like Marv from Sin City was
AntiChappy
11-30-2007, 04:22 PM
I think it was the lack of muscles in the lines that make him percieved as "fat." Like I said, I love it, and really, he draws Superman in a similar way to an extent. Not sure how he does the rest, as it's been a while since I've flipped through a DK series.
the goddamn batman
11-30-2007, 04:24 PM
He's not fat, he's a big guy... like muscles-big. He's like the Sprang version. Miller said if he wants to draw a skinny guy he'll draw Daredevil.
hangmanjury
11-30-2007, 06:44 PM
He's not fat, he's a big guy... like muscles-big. He's like the Sprang version. Miller said if he wants to draw a skinny guy he'll draw Daredevil.
With all respect to Sprang, his Batman looked fat too.
Seriously, my nephew took one of those reprints of those 50s DC comics to school, and all his classmates said the superheroes looked fat.
Infernorhythm
11-30-2007, 06:55 PM
I honestly never liked Miller's drawing of Batman. It's the exact opposite of the definitive Neal Adams Batman. It's fat, bulky, musclebound and ugly, with short ears, rather than Adams's human, realistic anatomy and long ears.
And that's just the art. Don't get me started on the writing.
The Batman
11-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Has Miller drawn a young in his prime Batman? Has Adams drawn an old coming out of retirement Batman?
GRANT!
11-30-2007, 09:24 PM
Apparently Holy Terror Batman features a younger Batman. But who knows if that will ever come out.
The Batman
11-30-2007, 10:38 PM
http://batman.manyfacesof.com/art/Frank_Miller_dksa3.jpg
His Dark Knight Strikes Back Batman seemed pretty lean.
Dr. Chaos
12-01-2007, 12:14 AM
Another thing I'll give Miller's Batman, it's funny, Batman being a superhero that strikes fear into the heart of criminals is often touted and in this book, it's left to no one's imagination how that could be.
Swooping down and cackling like a madman while breaking arms, burning faces off and drugging people out of their mind.
Pretty much every encounter with this lunatic probably begins with "Oh ****!" and "god help me" and ends with "I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and Savior as long as The Batman doesn't come back and jam a large fracture of broken glass up my baby making region".
TROUBLEZ
12-01-2007, 12:22 AM
He looked fat in DKR. I like the book now because I'm used to creators varied and exaggerated styles but when I was a kid and saw this book I was thinking, " hows this tubby dodging bullets, jumping out of windows, and leaping through the air?"
But in book 1 he looked more muscular, I think he started getting overweight in the third issue.
SKETCHSANCHEZ
12-01-2007, 05:11 AM
Another thing I'll give Miller's Batman, it's funny, Batman being a superhero that strikes fear into the heart of criminals is often touted and in this book, it's left to no one's imagination how that could be.
Swooping down and cackling like a madman while breaking arms, burning faces off and drugging people out of their mind.
Pretty much every encounter with this lunatic probably begins with "Oh ****!" and "god help me" and ends with "I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and Savior as long as The Batman doesn't come back and jam a large fracture of broken glass up my baby making region".
Up their penis? Dude.
Joe Bullseye
12-01-2007, 07:23 AM
OK, Mr. Millers Bats. He is drawn fat because in the DK series he is old and out of shape. Can anyone in their 50s or 60s after years of sitting behind a desk not be? It amazes me how strong the character is in that book. I mean come on, out of the game for years and doing all that stuff, and taking on Sups. It was a way of saying, no matter how old and "fat" Batman gets, stay out of his way.
Gotham
12-01-2007, 07:31 PM
Frank Miller beat the living crap out of Batman. When wasn't Bats getting pounded on!? That's why I loved his Batman. He was so utterly....human.
By the way...if you liked Batman Begins...you like Frank Miller's Batman. In my opinion.
Ramiel
12-01-2007, 09:09 PM
Frank Miller beat the living crap out of Batman. When wasn't Bats getting pounded on!? That's why I loved his Batman. He was so utterly....human.
Except you know, when he was beating the hell out of Superman Miller does draw a pretty more humanized then usual Batman
the goddamn batman
12-01-2007, 09:19 PM
Do any of you know what fat acually means?
I'm hard pressed (and my copy is on loan so I can't check) to think of a single example of Batman looking fat in DKR. Google doesn't seem to bring up any images of a fat Batman either.
Drawing a large man is different than a fat man. Seriously.
Can someone please show an example of this supposed fat Batman from DKR?
Omega Alpha
12-01-2007, 09:26 PM
I mean he should have called him "FatMan".
Or "Batfat"
mattx110
12-01-2007, 09:29 PM
For some people "take no prisoners" means "be more ruthless" for FM Batman, it means "I don't have time to babysit your sorry criminal @$$".
Punch
12-01-2007, 10:57 PM
It was the mustache.
Punch
12-01-2007, 11:09 PM
Here's another skinny Batman
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/punch360/batman-2.jpg
and a random pic
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/punch360/00022gds.jpg
Infernorhythm
12-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Here's another skinny Batman
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/punch360/batman-2.jpg
and a random pic
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/punch360/00022gds.jpg
http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/images/west_dkr_8.jpg
Punch
12-01-2007, 11:31 PM
http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/images/west_dkr_8.jpg
sorry you wasted your time, but I didn't steal any bandwidth.
mattx110
12-01-2007, 11:51 PM
sorry you wasted your time, but I didn't steal any bandwidth.
that was kevin talking to inferno, who was the one who linked to the site. rightclick: properties: copy and paste the link.
AntiChappy
12-02-2007, 03:42 AM
Frank Miller beat the living crap out of Batman. When wasn't Bats getting pounded on!? That's why I loved his Batman. He was so utterly....human.
By the way...if you liked Batman Begins...you like Frank Miller's Batman. In my opinion.
Yea, I gotta agree with this. They are a bit similar, aren't they?
TomServoFan
12-02-2007, 09:48 AM
Well the 60's Batman was great stuff, who cares if West was pudgy? i think it was acceptable cause afterall i get a kick out of the show.
But in the comics especially Miller's, don't you think Batman deserves to remain muscular? sure i love "Begins" but Batman should be muscular that way he could beat the crap out of his enemies with a blow. Afterall he is Bob Kane's creation! Both batmans from Burton's and Nolan's are the serious dark used in the early Bob Kane comics and late 70's Batman comics.
shaxper
12-02-2007, 10:02 AM
[edit]
My bad. I posted a meaningful reply to the question, and then looked back and saw that we're just discussing how fat he is. Yes, the Batcave must contain a Twinkie vending machine.
CassandraL
12-02-2007, 03:20 PM
I don't like Miller's Batman because of his looks, because I just hate how the character is written.
the goddamn batman
12-02-2007, 03:53 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to produce an example of this supposed FAT Batman...
(I know noone will, because he's not fat in Miller's books.)
4thHorseman
12-02-2007, 04:01 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to produce an example of this supposed FAT Batman...
(I know noone will, because he's not fat in Miller's books.)
I didn't think he was fat, just broader in size...*shrugs*
caboose
12-02-2007, 04:09 PM
Miller also did something with Batman no one had done before: Naked Sleepwalk-shaving Batman.
Captain Jim
12-02-2007, 04:32 PM
Can anyone in their 50s or 60s after years of sitting behind a desk not be?
Thanks. I take great personal comfort in your words. ;)
hangmanjury
12-02-2007, 07:40 PM
Dear fans of Miller's Batman,
This thread is in jest. Take it with a grain of salt. No one criticizing Miller's Batman seriously would actually use the fat argument.
Hangman
PS FATBAT!
TROUBLEZ
12-02-2007, 10:13 PM
In one panel the Joker looked buff. When DC Direct made the DKR toys they used that picture as a model because he's huge.
dancj
12-03-2007, 06:31 AM
In one panel the Joker looked buff.
That wasn't buff. That was shoulder pads!
the goddamn batman
12-03-2007, 03:54 PM
It was the 80's after all.
smoothjokes
12-04-2007, 04:45 AM
I would pay $2.99 just to see BatFat drawn by Frank Miller. Could you imagine him in his costume and beer gut hanging out wearing a Batman t-shirt from his local comic shop. That'd have me dying with laughter. BATFAT 4 LIFE!
Joe Night
12-05-2007, 07:18 PM
I was never a fan of Miller's artwork in almost any of his books, Sin City excluded. It was his writing that attracted me.
I never thought about it before, but he does look fat.
ni8shadow
12-09-2007, 02:37 PM
If you liked DKR Bats, then ASB/R might appeal to you.
The more and more I read DKR the more I see Miller's ASB leading toward it. In ASB, Batman LOVES scaring the crap outta his prey and beating the crap outta them as well. He relishes in the very thought of causing fear and pain to those who would brake the law etc.
I read Batman's thoughts in DKR, it is similar to ASB. As DKR Bats drags up a criminal to the highest spot in Gotham he admits that even though it caused him pain to bring him up there, it was worth it just to hear the guys scream. We even see Batman in DKR enjoying and entertaining thoughts of the many different ways he could have killed the Joker. The one that got me was the part where he mentions that a person falling from a tall building WILL remain concious untill he hits the ground, and that thought keeps him WARM at night
TomServoFan
12-12-2007, 06:32 AM
Well it is Bob Kane's creation after all.
chamon92
12-15-2007, 09:16 PM
he didn't make him fat i rckn miller just made bats way more muscley
AmyLoPan
12-16-2007, 07:41 PM
I don't know what you chuckleheads are talking about. From a female perspective, I find this very sexy...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Amylopan/fat_bat_purpl.jpg
Punch
12-17-2007, 12:51 PM
There is something grim and gritty about a belly button.
protege
12-17-2007, 02:37 PM
I mean he should have called him "FatMan".
That reminds me- whatever happened to the Inferior five?
protege
12-17-2007, 02:38 PM
There is something grim and gritty about a belly button.
You mean dirty and linty, don't you?
Lunal
12-19-2007, 12:24 AM
Miller's Batman was an interesting what if story, but it pretty much went against 50 years of Batitude that DC had been doing. In retrospect, the story has not aged well for me. What can i say at the time I also liked Wolverine, a not dissimilar character.
Castiglione
12-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Miller's Batman was an interesting what if story, but it pretty much went against 50 years of Batitude that DC had been doing. In retrospect, the story has not aged well for me. What can i say at the time I also liked Wolverine, a not dissimilar character.
Personally I love Miller's take on Batman and it was DKR that really got me interested in comics when I picked it up around five years ago.
As I have never collected an on going Bat title that is in the DC continuity I've got no problem with Franks straying from the dogma.
Personally, Batman: Year One and DKR are my two favorite graphic novels of all time. I look forward to the day Miller releases more stories to fill in the gaps between the two.
By the by, I used to be a Wolverine fan as well, but to me he has become the most overused and comprimised character in all of comicdom.
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