General Zod ranks higher than Lex on top Villain list

[suttercain]

I cannot believe they ranked Superman at number 5!

http://www.supermandatabase.com/news/index.php?id=123

[Loren]

I cannot believe they ranked Superman at number 5!

http://www.supermandatabase.com/news/index.php?id=123

Well, if they're basing it strictly on the movies, then Zod deserves the upper spot. The movie Zod was so great that he went from being just another Phantom Zoner in the comics to being THE Phantom Zone baddie, and Superman's ultimate Kryptonian foe.

Movie Luthor, on the other hand, lived in the sewer, kept odd company, and was primarily interested in real estate.

[Lord of Denial]

That list is crap.

Lecter over Vader.

Lecter has one movie of history that was worth a damn.

[Kage Kisaragi]

You will kneel before me son of Jor-El! Kneel Before Zod!

People of the Planet Houston.. lol

God have mercy.

My name is Zod.

[Jack Zodiac]

That list is crap.

Lecter over Vader.

Lecter has one movie of history that was worth a damn.

And Vader only has two, and three more movies that downplay how badass he could've been by making him a whiney bitch.

[brundlefly]

Well, if they're basing it strictly on the movies, then Zod deserves the upper spot. The movie Zod was so great that he went from being just another Phantom Zoner in the comics to being THE Phantom Zone baddie, and Superman's ultimate Kryptonian foe.

Movie Luthor, on the other hand, lived in the sewer, kept odd company, and was primarily interested in real estate.

Well stated. While Lex is my favorite Superman villain (and overall DC Comics villain, for that matter), Movie Zod easily outranks Movie Lex. I love Gene Hackman and all, but his Lex was too light on the menace scale and too high on the camp/comedy one. Terence Stamp's Zod's awesomeness, on the other hand, is a thing of comic book movie legend.


Lecter has one movie of history that was worth a damn.

I would make that two movies: Manhunter and Silence of the Lambs. Agreed with you that the other three (Hannibal, Red Dragon, & Hannibal Rising) were all mediocre at best.

[Joe Night]

If they are basing it on the movies then Zod wins hands down. I mean it was bad enough how Gene Hackman portrayed him, but I feel like Kevin Spacey brought him down even further.

[Grazzt]

That list is crap.

Lecter over Vader.

Lecter has one movie of history that was worth a damn.

You do realize that Vader (2) came ahead of Lecter (3), right?

[DeadXMan]

Well stated. While Lex is my favorite Superman villain (and overall DC Comics villain, for that matter), Movie Zod easily outranks Movie Lex. I love Gene Hackman and all, but his Lex was too light on the menace scale and too high on the camp/comedy one. Terence Stamp's Zod's awesomeness, on the other hand, is a thing of comic book movie legend.



I would make that two movies: Manhunter and Silence of the Lambs. Agreed with you that the other three (Hannibal, Red Dragon, & Hannibal Rising) were all mediocre at best.

I agree Movie Zod Rules

I believed Hannibal would of been better if they followed the Book's Ending and Have Clarice join him.
HR was so awful.
(how awful was it?)
it not even worth Downloading illegally

[mandarine]

I heard Jude Law might play General Zod...

[Joe Night]

I heard that too, but I thought that I also heard that he turned it down. I don't remember where I read that though.

[Joe Night]

And Indy rates above Superman and Batman on the heroes list? Are you kidding? That is crap!

[Sean Whitmore]

And Indy rates above Superman and Batman on the heroes list?

We're talking strictly based on movies?

I buy that.


SEAN

[Lord of Denial]

You do realize that Vader (2) came ahead of Lecter (3), right?

Damn I think I had a flashback to Bravos list.

Lecter was 1 and Vader 2.

[metalhead_dave743]

And Indy rates above Superman and Batman on the heroes list? Are you kidding? That is crap!

Exactly, when is the last time there has been an Indy movie? When is the last time there has been a Superman or Batman movie? Oh 2006 and 2005.

[Sean Whitmore]

Exactly, when is the last time there has been an Indy movie? When is the last time there has been a Superman or Batman movie? Oh 2006 and 2005.

Considering you won't be able to make the same argument in a few months, it's doesn't seem like a very good one.


SEAN

[Black Atom]

We're talking strictly based on movies?

I buy that.


SEAN

The fact that they ranked so highly on a movie list is actually surprising. I suspect the guys who compiled it are big comic nerds (reallly, Joker is the number 1 villain? Really?)

[mattx110]

Exactly, when is the last time there has been an Indy movie? When is the last time there has been a Superman or Batman movie? Oh 2006 and 2005.
You can have that 100 dollar bill from 1985, or a 1 dollar bill from 2006, which would you take?

[Pól Rua]

Probably because Zod was presented as an imposing threat and Luthor was presented as an ineffectual clown.

[metalhead_dave743]

Considering you won't be able to make the same argument in a few months, it's doesn't seem like a very good one.


SEAN

I'd argue this, but I'm on shaky ground and I'd rather have solid footing when I show my points, guess I shouldn't have responded the way I did right?:D

Anyway, you win.

You can have that 100 dollar bill from 1985, or a 1 dollar bill from 2006, which would you take?


I'll take a penny from 1914 over both of them.

[Thorlief]

Probably because Zod was presented as an imposing threat and Luthor was presented as an ineffectual clown.

this is the truth. While Zod was still somewhat laughable (due more to the tone of the movie), Luthor was a buffoon of epic proportions. That list is correct

[The Zapper]

Hey, I'm glad they put Joker as #1. I'm not sure he deserves the #1 spot on a movie list though.

[Cyke]

Screw all that Zod Vs. Luthor BS. My real question is:

Spongebob Squarepants over Atticus Finch? REALLY?!

[Sean Whitmore]

Screw all that Zod Vs. Luthor BS. My real question is:

Spongebob Squarepants over Atticus Finch? REALLY?!

Well, Finch doesn't live in a pineapple under the sea.


SEAN

[GRANT!]

That list is crap.

Lecter over Vader.

Lecter has one movie of history that was worth a damn.

So does Darth Vader.

[kmeyers]

No Harry Potter love? Dumbledore? Voldemort?

[GRANT!]

We're talking strictly based on movies?

I buy that.


SEAN

I would too. Based on Raiders of the Lost Ark alone. I'd take the worst Indiana Jones movie (Temple of Doom) over Batman Forever, Batman and Robin and Supermans III, IV and Returns. Heck I'd take Temple of Doom over any Superman or Batman movie.

[Sean Whitmore]

The fact that they ranked so highly on a movie list is actually surprising. I suspect the guys who compiled it are big comic nerds (reallly, Joker is the number 1 villain? Really?)

I just looked at the list, and you're definitely right.

You take a poll among strictly film nerds, and I tend to doubt that the Hulk, Wolverine, Neo, and Frodo's sidekick are in any of their top 20s.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

No Harry Potter love?

Yeah, that's actually a weird omission considering who else is there.

The guy from Princess Mononoke gets on the list and not Harry Potter?


SEAN

[Magneto_X]

Zod's always been cooler then Lex.

They should give Luthor a break from the movies, too. While I did think they made him a better criminal in SR he's already been in at least 2 previous Reeve movies.

Time for Brainiac, Darkseid, Parasite, Metallo etc to kick Clark's Krytonian ass on the silver screen.

[Nyssane]

How was Samwise before Frodo? He's totally the Ethel to Frodo's Lucy.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

Cyke, totally with you in bewilderment about Spongebob outranking Atticus Finch. I'm amazed Hans Beckert is even on the top 50 villains. But then I'd put the killer in M way over Hannibal Lecter, who isn't that compelling to me. He's a side-show villain who is menacing because he's off on the sidelines, not a villain who retains his interest when front and center the way some of the others do.

[Black Atom]

this is the truth. While Zod was still somewhat laughable (due more to the tone of the movie), Luthor was a buffoon of epic proportions. That list is correct

Luthor came closer to killing Superman and perpetrated more genuine terrorism than Zod ever managed.

I just looked at the list, and you're definitely right.

You take a poll among strictly film nerds, and I tend to doubt that the Hulk, Wolverine, Neo, and Frodo's sidekick are in any of their top 20s.

The more I look at the list, the less I like it. For one, The Terminator is on the "heroes" list. Behind the guy from School of Rock.

Yeah, fuck this list. Fuck it up it's stupid ass.

[kmeyers]

Luthor came closer to killing Superman and perpetrated more genuine terrorism than Zod ever managed.

Yeah, fuck this list. Fuck it up it's stupid ass.

While I agree that the list sucks...Zod became ruler of the entire planet(Planet Houston!) in a matter of a few days.

Luthor was a joke in the Superman movies.

[Sean Whitmore]

Luthor was a joke in the Superman movies.

Not for nothing, but he still blew California to hell and created a monster that beat the crap out of Superman twice. That's more than many comic-book movie villains have accomplished.


SEAN

[Magneto_X]

Not for nothing, but he still blew California to hell and created a monster that beat the crap out of Superman twice. That's more than many comic-book movie villains have accomplished.


SEAN

Comic Luthor was able to become President of the U.S. and get the "rights" to Brainiac 13 tech but giving away his baby daughter. He's just a bastard all around.

The Timm-verse Luthor is even better.

[Black Atom]

While I agree that the list sucks...Zod became ruler of the entire planet(Planet Houston!) in a matter of a few days.

And Luthor was pulling his strings the whole time. Zod needed Luthor to find the Fortress of Solitude.

Luthor was a joke in the Superman movies.

After all, he only single-handedly discovered Superman's weakness, procured it and used it on him, leaving him to drown. Hijacked two government missiles. Implemented a plan to destroy California so he could profit from it. and blow up New Jersey (and kill his girlfriend's mom, seemingly as a bonus) just to distract from his true purpose. I mean, he was jokey, which fit the tone of the movie overall, but he certainly wasn't incapable or lacking ruthlessness.

[The Batman]

Comic Luthor was able to become President of the U.S. and get the "rights" to Brainiac 13 tech but giving away his baby daughter. He's just a bastard all around.

The Timm-verse Luthor is even better.

Yeah but he's had how many years and how many issues/episodes to do that?

It's easy to see movie Lex as a clown, but that comedic exterior comes from a smug self-assurance that he's the biggest, smartest evilest bastard in the room; something I think he showed in the movies. Hell, the guy kept Otis and Jon Cryer around just to make it more of a challenge that's how bad-ass he was.

[hugh45]

And Luthor was pulling his strings the whole time. Zod needed Luthor to find the Fortress of Solitude.



After all, he only single-handedly discovered Superman's weakness, procured it and used it on him, leaving him to drown. Hijacked two government missiles. Implemented a plan to destroy California so he could profit from it. and blow up New Jersey (and kill his girlfriend's mom, seemingly as a bonus) just to distract from his true purpose. I mean, he was jokey, which fit the tone of the movie overall, but he certainly wasn't incapable or lacking ruthlessness.

You're right,after you reminded me what he did.I guess playing the
buffoon threw me off/may me forget.

[Thorlief]

anyone can make Superman sniff a kryptonite stone. But who could actually PUNCH him in the face?

Luthor has supreme mind, Zod was badassery all around

[J Dog]

You will kneel before me son of Jor-El! Kneel Before Zod!

People of the Planet Houston.. lol

God have mercy.

My name is Zod.

Hey, I liked Zod. That's why my future webcomic, "Planet Houston", references him.

The thing is that this only refers to MOVIE villains. Movie Lex was nowhere near Comic Lex.

[jesse_custer]

Your mind is borderline inoperable if you question Indiana Jones winning out in cinema. The Indiana Jones trilogy might be the best trilogy of all time, and it's mainly due to Ford's masterful work as Indy.

[Toku King]

No Spider-Man, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, or Venom?

[Jared]

Why the hell would anyone even consider Venom? How much screen time did he have? Three minutes?!

[Sean Whitmore]

anyone can make Superman sniff a kryptonite stone.

Well, not anyone. First, someone would have to discover that kryptonite exists and what it does. Which is what Lex did.


SEAN

[Loren]

Well, not anyone. First, someone would have to discover that kryptonite exists and what it does. Which is what Lex did.

There was some pretty sketchy logic involved though: "I think this meteorite may come from the same planet as Superman. Ergo, perhaps exposure to it will kill Superman. Not unlike how exposure to granite kills humans."

[Toku King]

Why the hell would anyone even consider Venom? How much screen time did he have? Three minutes?!

And he only what, rocked them hard?

[Sean Whitmore]

There was some pretty sketchy logic involved though: "I think this meteorite may come from the same planet as Superman. Ergo, perhaps exposure to it will kill Superman. Not unlike how exposure to granite kills humans."

Hey, y'know what they say. Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story....


SEAN

[Thorlief]

Well, not anyone. First, someone would have to discover that kryptonite exists and what it does. Which is what Lex did.


SEAN

yeah, you know what I mean. I already said Luthor has a helluva brain

[BoosterBronze]

I'll take a penny from 1914 over both of them.

Just dont take a 1978 penny back to 1914. It's a bad idea.

(obscure refrence of the week)

[mattx110]

Just dont take a 1978 penny back to 1914. It's a bad idea.

(obscure refrence of the week)
Hahahahaha, that was hilarious and I got the joke.

(please don't call my bluff of the week)

[Magneto_X]

Yeah but he's had how many years and how many issues/episodes to do that?

It's easy to see movie Lex as a clown, but that comedic exterior comes from a smug self-assurance that he's the biggest, smartest evilest bastard in the room; something I think he showed in the movies. Hell, the guy kept Otis and Jon Cryer around just to make it more of a challenge that's how bad-ass he was.

Despite being a "clown" Lex in the movies is a one-trick pony. All he does is create a lot of damage to get rich via real estate.

Would it be that much trouble to have make some super-tech ala give him Metallo as a lackey (similar to Superman:TAS) or make other plot devices that can hurt Supes (like the green armour he wears) physically or destroy the world?

[Magneto_X]

Well, not anyone. First, someone would have to discover that kryptonite exists and what it does. Which is what Lex did.


SEAN

The point was that if any criminal had it they could make Kal-El their b*tch --- and probaly shoot him a few times to finish him off. Luthor continues to even let that advantage blow up in his face. Repeatedly.

Unlike Luthor Zod can back up his threats with physical force. Supes only stopped them by taking their powers. With Lex all it takes is a finger flick.

[Magneto_X]

yeah, you know what I mean. I already said Luthor has a helluva brain

Yet he doesn't use it much in the movies.

SR was going in the right direction by making him more ruthless and operating on a bigger scale but it didn't go all the way. He should be building stuff that gives Supes trouble and/or have a secret organisation backing him up to make him a much bigger threat to the world, instead of a fugitive on the run with almost nowhere near the resources comic or animated Lex can bring to the table.

[The Batman]

Despite being a "clown" Lex in the movies is a one-trick pony. All he does is create a lot of damage to get rich via real estate.

Would it be that much trouble to have make some super-tech ala give him Metallo as a lackey (similar to Superman:TAS) or make other plot devices that can hurt Supes (like the green armour he wears) physically or destroy the world?

You mean like creating a clone of Superman, setting it out after Big Blue, and then using it to corner the world arm's market?

See Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.


Really though, saying that all movie Lex does is "create a lot of damage to get rich via real estate" is a pretty glib interpretation of events. In Superman Returns Lex decipher advanced alien technology in a big to become ruler of the new global superpower. I guess we can say he was just creating alot of damage to make some money, but I guess we could also just say that comic Lex is a one trick pony that just spends alot of money to try and get one up on Superman.

[The Batman]

Yet he doesn't use it much in the movies.

SR was going in the right direction by making him more ruthless and operating on a bigger scale but it didn't go all the way. He should be building stuff that gives Supes trouble and/or have a secret organisation backing him up to make him a much bigger threat to the world, instead of a fugitive on the run with almost nowhere near the resources comic or animated Lex can bring to the table.

He was building a whole continent, and destroying an old one, that Superman couldn't set foot on without getting sick and dying.

If that's not resources, if that's not giving Superman trouble I don't know what is.

[Magneto_X]

You mean like creating a clone of Superman, setting it out after Big Blue, and then using it to corner the world arm's market?

See Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

Forgot about that.

He should do more of it.

Next him he should create an army of these guys or create a few various beings with super-powers ala Superman Revenge Squad with Metallo etc.


Really though, saying that all movie Lex does is "create a lot of damage to get rich via real estate" is a pretty glib interpretation of events. In Superman Returns Lex decipher advanced alien technology in a big to become ruler of the new global superpower. I guess we can say he was just creating alot of damage to make some money, but I guess we could also just say that comic Lex is a one trick pony that just spends alot of money to try and get one up on Superman.

True. But Lex never got around to actually using it to its full potential. While it's impressive what he did with little resources he should really be a much bigger threat to Supes. The fact that SR's New Kryton didn't have any super-tech (which he counted on) was a major blunder on Singer's part, IMO.

Lex's crew would have been a much bigger obstacle if they actually *got* said Kryton tech to use instead of having to rely on Supes to be dumb enough to *land* on it. If Supes had just sniped them all with heat vision or threw massive rocks at them Lex would have been screwed big time.

[Magneto_X]

He was building a whole continent, and destroying an old one, that Superman couldn't set foot on without getting sick and dying.

If that's not resources, if that's not giving Superman trouble I don't know what is.

It's trouble but it's Tuesday for comic or animated Lex.

[The Batman]

Forgot about that.

He should do more of it.

Next him he should create an army of these guys or create a few various beings with super-powers ala Superman Revenge Squad with Metallo etc.

That'd be neat though I'd rather see someone like Brainiac create Metallo, if any of the other villians absolutely need to create Metallo.



True. But Lex never got around to actually using it to its full potential. While it's impressive what he did with little resources he should really be a much bigger threat to Supes. The fact that SR's New Kryton didn't have any super-tech (which he counted on) was a major blunder on Singer's part, IMO.

I dunno, his plan to lace the continent with kryptonite crystals seemed to work pretty well. If it weren't for Lois, Jason, and Richard, Lex would've succeeded in killing Superman.

As it stands, he came pretty damn close.

Lex's crew would have been a much bigger obstacle if they actually *got* said Kryton tech to use instead of having to rely on Supes to be dumb enough to *land* on it. If Supes had just sniped them all with heat vision or threw massive rocks at them Lex would have been screwed big time.

Again, the plan worked out pretty well. Also, landing on the island to investigate is much more in character for Superman than taking people out from orbit with his heat vision. That's really more of a Ultraman sorta thing to do.

[The Batman]

It's trouble but it's Tuesday for comic or animated Lex.

Yeah, but comic and animated Lex have the benefit of their creators having alot more time and space to play with things. I mean, 'President Lex' was built up over how many comics over how many months?

[Alex]

Well, if they're basing it strictly on the movies, then Zod deserves the upper spot. The movie Zod was so great that he went from being just another Phantom Zoner in the comics to being THE Phantom Zone baddie, and Superman's ultimate Kryptonian foe.

Movie Luthor, on the other hand, lived in the sewer, kept odd company, and was primarily interested in real estate.

Gotta agree.
Superman 2 is still maybe my favorite comic movie.
Cellophane S being ignored, of course.

[Cyke]

Why the hell would anyone even consider Venom? How much screen time did he have? Three minutes?!

If this makes you feel any better, it's a scientifically-proven fact of the universe that: Atticus Finch > Venom.

Yes, I know Venom would be on a different list than Finch, but the point still stands: Gregory Peck > Eric Forman.

[ultramandingo]

6 Nurse Ratched (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
7 Anton Chigurh (No Country for Old Men)
9 Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
11 Bridget Gregory/Wendy Kroy (The Last Seduction)
15 Baby Jane Hudson (Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?)
20 Captain Videl (Pan's Labyrinth)
25 Dr Christian Sezell (Marathon Man)
26 Reverend Harry Powell (The Night of the Hunter)
27 Ray (Nil by Mouth)
31 Combo (This is England)
39 Don (Sexy Beast)
40 Begbie (Trainspotting)
44 Frank (Once Upon a Time in the West)
45 Max Cady (Cape Fear)
46 The Child Catcher (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang)
47 The Truck (Duel)
48 Hans Beckert (M)

yow - now that a legion of doom - who needs black manta

[The Batman]

Is Amon Goeth, from Schindler's List, on there?