Who should be draggged to court?

[Pro]

Wasn't the whole point of the SHRA that superheroes be held responsible for their actions?

Whatever the Hulk may have done he was right about one thing:"If it wasn't for you none of this would have happened".
Stark took on the responsibility to keep the US save from exactly the thing he could not prevent. New York was wasted again in a superhero fight despite the SHRA, despite Stark's promises to the american people. In fact he pushed Sentry, a mentally unstable superhero into a state where he nearly destroyed the entire planet in a fight with the Hulk, something not even the Hulk at his maddest was willing to do. And Stark's solution caused more damage than the Hulk and all his minions combined.

What about Sentry? Should he be put up on charges? I'm sure there wil be literally thousands of families who lost everything they had to someone who "played God" because Stark told him and they'll look for someone to blame. Stark's solution to the Hulk problem seems similar to firing a nuclear missile into a crowd of bullies to stop them picking on the weak kids.

What about the rest of the Illuminati? They acted outside the law, banishing a man for crimes the hadn't investigated thoroughly enough to be certain he committed. "Innocent until proven guilty". But the Illuminati didn't prove anything from what I read and the Hulk didn't have anyone to speak in his defense. They assumed Hulk was responsible for several deaths and they banished him without a trial. They conspired to subvert the law in order to exact vigilante justice.

What about Banner? Should he be put on trial as a war criminal? Can he plead temporary insanity? Should he be treated as the head of a foreign state? Or should he be treated as a US citizen since he was never officially banished? Should he be executed for property damage and assault?

[thronzeblast]

I dont think anybody will be draged into court not if it can be help there is to much stuff that went down on all side's from the time hulk was exiled till now.Too many questions that would have to be asked and answered.By Stark, The Shield, and The Government.One the topic of Stark and Sentry I dont know that what he did was any worse than Dr Strange using Zoms power to fight the hulk.Even if it was only a small portion.They are just not gonna out right kill banner my bet is that they would be happy to keep banner in that underground facility forever.

[Exo]

There's no superhero who hasn't functioned outside the law. IMO, they should all be draggged to court but where's the fun in that?

[ivesaidway2much]

There's no superhero who hasn't functioned outside the law. IMO, they should all be draggged to court but where's the fun in that?Have you read the first volume of Dan Slott's run on She-Hulk?

[Exo]

Have you read the first volume of Dan Slott's run on She-Hulk?

I don't read She-Hulk. But is that the one where she's running a private practice?

[Mike Smash!]

I don't read She-Hulk. But is that the one where she's running a private practice?I believe he's thinking of the "Spidey sues Jameson" issue which is one of the funniest comics I've ever read.

[ivesaidway2much]

I don't read She-Hulk. But is that the one where she's running a private practice?She was part of a law firm. Most of the first volume consisted of superhumans being dragged into court for various reasons, and it was hilarious. Especially the case between Spidder-man and J. Jonah Jameson in, I believe, issue #4.

[Exo]

She was part of a law firm. Most of the first volume consisted of superhumans being dragged into court for various reasons, and it was hilarious. Especially the case between Spidder-man and J. Jonah Jameson in, I believe, issue #4.

I suppose that's where the fun's at. :)

What I ment was with "dragging superheroes to court" the end-result being mass jail sentences. We can't have that.

[DaeJi]

Let's try.... no one. Again, getting rid of the Hulk is more likely to net medals than jail time. And the Hulk... well, he embodies the term "special circumstances." The Warbound would be departed, if anything, Namorita can run back to Namor for protection, Angel can claim that he was forced to assist Cho, Herc is a god who can return home. Cho can just die.

[thronzeblast]

Let's try.... no one. Again, getting rid of the Hulk is more likely to net medals than jail time. And the Hulk... well, he embodies the term "special circumstances." The Warbound would be departed, if anything, Namorita can run back to Namor for protection, Angel can claim that he was forced to assist Cho, Herc is a god who can return home. Cho can just die.

Can Herc or Ares actually go back home I thought something happened to Olympus?

[DaeJi]

Can Herc or Ares actually go back home I thought something happened to Olympus?

Well, it might be a little bit of a fixer-upper right now, but it's still there.

[Pro]

There's no superhero who hasn't functioned outside the law. IMO, they should all be draggged to court but where's the fun in that?

Sure, but that's exactly why the SHRA was put in place. It entirely invalidates the concept of superheroes being accountable to the public if they gloss this whole thing over and don't adres it after wrecking New York and putting thousands of people out of their houses.

[DaeJi]

Sure, but that's exactly why the SHRA was put in place. It entirely invalidates the concept of superheroes being accountable to the public if they gloss this whole thing over and don't adres it after wrecking New York and putting thousands of people out of their houses.

Yeah, but their activities were backed by S.H.I.E.L.D. and the US government, with the aim to take down the Hulk at all costs.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Wasn't the whole point of the SHRA that superheroes be held responsible for their actions?

Whatever the Hulk may have done he was right about one thing:"If it wasn't for you none of this would have happened".
Stark took on the responsibility to keep the US save from exactly the thing he could not prevent. New York was wasted again in a superhero fight despite the SHRA, despite Stark's promises to the american people. In fact he pushed Sentry, a mentally unstable superhero into a state where he nearly destroyed the entire planet in a fight with the Hulk, something not even the Hulk at his maddest was willing to do. And Stark's solution caused more damage than the Hulk and all his minions combined.

What about Sentry? Should he be put up on charges? I'm sure there wil be literally thousands of families who lost everything they had to someone who "played God" because Stark told him and they'll look for someone to blame. Stark's solution to the Hulk problem seems similar to firing a nuclear missile into a crowd of bullies to stop them picking on the weak kids.

What about the rest of the Illuminati? They acted outside the law, banishing a man for crimes the hadn't investigated thoroughly enough to be certain he committed. "Innocent until proven guilty". But the Illuminati didn't prove anything from what I read and the Hulk didn't have anyone to speak in his defense. They assumed Hulk was responsible for several deaths and they banished him without a trial. They conspired to subvert the law in order to exact vigilante justice.

What about Banner? Should he be put on trial as a war criminal? Can he plead temporary insanity? Should he be treated as the head of a foreign state? Or should he be treated as a US citizen since he was never officially banished? Should he be executed for property damage and assault?

An interesting point. I assume that Stark and Co are immunized from prosecution for property damage due to the fallout from WWH purely as public servants. in the old days, they'd all be liable for every brick they damaged, but now the government is accountable. I imagine there will be some questioning as to the sentry's mental state and weather or not there are better procedures to follow for using him for overtly aggressive action in the future.

As for the Illumniati's actions sending hulk away... I doubt they could be convicted or even tried for those actions. It would be like accusing an American citizen of attempting to capture or kill Bin Laden before 9/11. Or an Israeli court convicting citizens of engaging in Nazi-hunting after WWII. There might be some criminal actions involved, but there will be no repercussions for them since the society has judged the victim as a worse offender.

The problem with initiative members is that there accountability is now more internal review the court based legal procedures. I imagine that The CSA will hold a few hearings on this as will SHEILD's own internal review department.

As for banner... this is where Stark is actualy in trouble. Unless they passed a law I don't know about in the MU, Banner needs to be put on trial... unless he's in a coma. What is his mental status? he might be unfit for trial...

[Exo]

Sure, but that's exactly why the SHRA was put in place. It entirely invalidates the concept of superheroes being accountable to the public if they gloss this whole thing over and don't adres it after wrecking New York and putting thousands of people out of their houses.

You're right. But the ramifications, along with everything else, is in the hands of the writers. Maybe the government held a brief tribunal after WWH? Marvel hasn't been very opaque about what transpires in between these events. I don't know why, maybe because jurisprudence and bureaucracy are boring to the average reader?

[Drdmx]

So in essense, the laws that are put in place for the SHRA by Stark and the Government aren't black and white, but grey? It applies to some people in some circumstances, but not to these people in that circumstance? Gotcha.

[ivesaidway2much]

So in essense, the laws that are put in place for the SHRA by Stark and the Government aren't black and white, but grey? It applies to some people in some circumstances, but not to these people in that circumstance? Gotcha.It's more or less kept superheroing and Old Boys' Club. But now fewer people are in charge of getting to decide who doesn't have to pay for their crimes

[jackolover]

Didn't Gabby Jones, the senior Shield agent on the ground after Gen Ross was defeated, state that Amadeus Cho and the Renegades would be dragged to the gallows and hung as traitors, but he conscipted them to help in the damage control of the city? If that is the official government line, then that's why the Renegades are on the run from the government.