Sinestro Corps

[king911]

ok i am new to gren lantern and such. While trying to read the wiki on the Sinestro Corps i found it very confusing. Could someone catch me up briefly?

[Walter West]

It is a fantastic creation. The greatest heroes should have great villains. The Sinestro Corps (silent ps) are the greatest villains created in a long long time. :)

[botch]

you have to read ALOT of books to fully get whats going on.

it all starts at

sinestro corps war special

but

pretty much every book since Green Lantern: Rebirth leads to it.

I mean the entire Green lantern Corps ongoing is tied to it, the Entire Ion Miniseries, and the Green lantern solo book from the 1 year later issue.

[botch]

Ohh and by the way, it's the best story DC has released since Watchmen and DKR, so worth checking out all the books to understand it.

[Slaughter]

Sinestro Corps War is Geoff Johns' own classic. In the future, when we talk about classic Green Lantern histories, I'm sure we're not going to forget Johns' Sinestro Corps War.

To undestand it, you have to read the Rebirth miniseries, then Green Lantern Corps: Recharge. Follow with the entire Green Lantern Corps and the Green Lantern comics series. Believe me, it's worth it.

[Alex L]

ok i am new to gren lantern and such. While trying to read the wiki on the Sinestro Corps i found it very confusing. Could someone catch me up briefly?

- The Green Lantern Corps: Intergalactic space cops
- The Sinestro Corps: Evil counterparts, named after/led by/founded by Sinestro, a former Green Lantern who was booted out of the Corps

It's a relatively recent invention... Sinestro has had the yellow ring for a long time, but it's only now that the rings have been mass-produced and given to others.

[Billage]

Sinestro Corps War is Geoff Johns' own classic. In the future, when we talk about classic Green Lantern histories, I'm sure we're not going to forget Johns' Sinestro Corps War.

To undestand it, you have to read the Rebirth miniseries, then Green Lantern Corps: Recharge. Follow with the entire Green Lantern Corps and the Green Lantern comics series. Believe me, it's worth it.

I think Johns' entire GL run has been classic up to now.People WILL be talking about his run as one of the great emerald gladiator runs.Catching up is very worth it.

Trades:

Rebirth
Revenge of the GLs
Wanted Hal Jordan
Sinestro Corps Special #1
GL #21-24 (current issue)

[botch]

I think Johns' entire GL run has been classic up to now.People WILL be talking about his run as one of the great emerald gladiator runs.Catching up is very worth it.

Trades:

Rebirth
Revenge of the GLs
Wanted Hal Jordan
Sinestro Corps Special #1
GL #21-24 (current issue)

I think people are underrating it still. like it will be one of the great green lantern stories, which is silly. This is already one of the great Superhero stories. When the end of time comes, Sinestro Corps War will be up there as one of the best comic book stories ever.

[HotRod_Tim]

I started off with the Sinestro Corps Special without reading any of Johns previous GL issues or the GL Corps series and I've pretty much gotten caught up just by reading the Sinestro Corps story. I feel like I have a good understanding of who all the players are and their motives. Sure, reading the back issues will fill in alot, but just reading the story on its own is enthralling.

[Billage]

I think people are underrating it still. like it will be one of the great green lantern stories, which is silly. This is already one of the great Superhero stories. When the end of time comes, Sinestro Corps War will be up there as one of the best comic book stories ever.

Yea,the only reason I say WILL is because Johns still has another 25-30 issues mapped out for this run.So as awesome as this run has been,I fully expect more greatness in the future.

[botch]

I started off with the Sinestro Corps Special without reading any of Johns previous GL issues or the GL Corps series and I've pretty much gotten caught up just by reading the Sinestro Corps story. I feel like I have a good understanding of who all the players are and their motives. Sure, reading the back issues will fill in alot, but just reading the story on its own is enthralling.

I can't understand this, it feels like such a more filling story if you read at least the green lantern corps series since it has the encounter with ranx and other things. and the ion miniseries, so you understand Kyle's fall better.

[rZi]

Try to read all the specials and both Green Lantern and GL:Corps because it's all one big package in my eyes...although not totaly nessecary but well worth it.

[ShaggyB]

ok i am new to gren lantern and such. While trying to read the wiki on the Sinestro Corps i found it very confusing. Could someone catch me up briefly?

Sinestro isnt dead, he and paralax faked out hal to turn him and destroy the corp. Hal then becomes one with paralax but doesnt know it. he then dies in final night. he then comes back in day of judgement as the spector. In GL rebirth Spector and hal split and so do paralax and hal. parlax is defeated and re imprisioned in the gl battery

meanwhile. Kyle Rainer recieves the last ring from garnett (did i spell it wrong). his ring never needs recharging but also cant replicate. kyle becomes the new gl. the only one left. through a series of events he gains the power of ion. with it he goes through some trials and then decides to give up the power and does not become like hal. he then resurects all the other gardens as babies. from there the corps is reborn. kyle, john and kilowag get rings. (fill in the blanks here as kilowag i thought was dead)

Rebirth then happens. Hal is back. The corps start searching for new recruits (see gl corps mini) kyle regains the powers of ion during infinite crisis when jade dies, apparently how gave her some power when he was ion last. See Ion 12 issue series for his journey and his dealing with her death.

Superboy prime is caught at the end of infinite crisis and stored in a red sun generator watched over by 50 lanterns at any given time.

Hal discovers the lost lanterns being held by hank henshaw aka cyborg superman and the manhunters. He rescues them, they still kinda hate him.

GL corps series launches and the prophecies of the down fall of the gl corp start coming true. Hal battles the son of the alien that crashed to earth whos ring he wears. this guy becomes a sinestro corps memeber.

sinestro corps finally attack oa. they steal superboy prime and cyborg superman and breing them to qward to meet there leader
........
the anti monitor.

see sinestro corps series to see what happens as kyle becomes paralax and super boy prime becomes repowered. and did i mention a new ion and lethal force has been approved for the GL corps!!!!!!!!!

Please fill in the blanks im at work and doing 20 or so years of gl in a short telling.

Thanks to all who read.
ShaggyB out for now

[botch]

Sinestro isnt dead, he and paralax faked out hal to turn him and destroy the corp. Hal then becomes one with paralax but doesnt know it. he then dies in final night. he then comes back in day of judgement as the spector. In GL rebirth Spector and hal split and so do paralax and hal. parlax is defeated and re imprisioned in the gl battery

meanwhile. Kyle Rainer recieves the last ring from garnett (did i spell it wrong). his ring never needs recharging but also cant replicate. kyle becomes the new gl. the only one left. through a series of events he gains the power of ion. with it he goes through some trials and then decides to give up the power and does not become like hal. he then resurects all the other gardens as babies. from there the corps is reborn. kyle, john and kilowag get rings. (fill in the blanks here as kilowag i thought was dead)

Rebirth then happens. Hal is back. The corps start searching for new recruits (see gl corps mini) kyle regains the powers of ion during infinite crisis when jade dies, apparently how gave her some power when he was ion last. See Ion 12 issue series for his journey and his dealing with her death.

Superboy prime is caught at the end of infinite crisis and stored in a red sun generator watched over by 50 lanterns at any given time.

Hal discovers the lost lanterns being held by hank henshaw aka cyborg superman and the manhunters. He rescues them, they still kinda hate him.

GL corps series launches and the prophecies of the down fall of the gl corp start coming true. Hal battles the son of the alien that crashed to earth whos ring he wears. this guy becomes a sinestro corps memeber.

sinestro corps finally attack oa. they steal superboy prime and cyborg superman and breing them to qward to meet there leader
........
the anti monitor.

see sinestro corps series to see what happens as kyle becomes paralax and super boy prime becomes repowered. and did i mention a new ion and lethal force has been approved for the GL corps!!!!!!!!!

Please fill in the blanks im at work and doing 20 or so years of gl in a short telling.

Thanks to all who read.
ShaggyB out for now

screw that. he should read it. it's like someone telling someone else what happens in Star Wars. You just don't do that.

DELETE THIS POST FOR BLASPHEMY!

[ShaggyB]

screw that. he should read it. it's like someone telling someone else what happens in Star Wars. You just don't do that.

DELETE THIS POST FOR BLASPHEMY!

lol. he asked for a brief summary he can get more from wikipedia but again the context will escape him. Meanwhile 20 years of GL / Hal/ Kyle stories are alot to skim over to get the grand scope of Sinestro corps war. Hell he should read Morisions tales of the gl corps but again that for the uber l33t who want every factoid. I say help him out and if at all possible he will convert to GL and go back and pic up some classic books.

either way im not deleten what i wrote.

Ohhh and if you didnt know vader was lukes father 20 years after it happened its considered pop culture and a given that the knowledge is avaliable for those wanting to know. not a spoiler. Also kong dies and the titanic sinks.........lol

[HotRod_Tim]

I can't understand this, it feels like such a more filling story if you read at least the green lantern corps series since it has the encounter with ranx and other things. and the ion miniseries, so you understand Kyle's fall better.

I'm sure that if I read the other issues, it would fill in alot of blanks, but even without reading them, it's still a killer story.

[sabongero]

Does anyone know if there is a list (of the comic books) of the entire Sinestro Corps War in some thread ?

If so, can anyone advise which ones both GL, GLC, and Sinestro Corps one shots, and any other comic books. Thanks.

[botch]

lol. he asked for a brief summary he can get more from wikipedia but again the context will escape him. Meanwhile 20 years of GL / Hal/ Kyle stories are alot to skim over to get the grand scope of Sinestro corps war. Hell he should read Morisions tales of the gl corps but again that for the uber l33t who want every factoid. I say help him out and if at all possible he will convert to GL and go back and pic up some classic books.

either way im not deleten what i wrote.

Ohhh and if you didnt know vader was lukes father 20 years after it happened its considered pop culture and a given that the knowledge is avaliable for those wanting to know. not a spoiler. Also kong dies and the titanic sinks.........lol

I never said 20 years of hal and kyle's stories.

you pretty much only need to read from Rebirth. It's set up like Star Wars: a new hope.

[ShaggyB]

I never said 20 years of hal and kyle's stories.

you pretty much only need to read from Rebirth. It's set up like Star Wars: a new hope.

so a dec 2004 - may 2005 story arc is what you would recommend he start with so ruffly 3 years of GL books.

I say he asked for a summary of them, we give him one and a list of recommended trades to go read or buy. Thats how it works.

To use your star wars referance "A new hope" is not necessarily needed to understand "empire strikes back" nor is it needed to get a firm grasp of "phantom menace". The idea of jedi and the force and the knowledge of what a light-sabre is would be all that is needed. (and i mean basic knowledge) Each movie does its on job of setting up each character. Lucas wanted them to stand on there own. But we digress.....

For an overview of what senestro corps war is he would basically need to know there is a prophecy about the down fall of the green lantern corps. He would need to know that the corps book is all about those things coming true. He would then need to know about Hal and Paralax. Then hed want to know a bit about kyle and Ion. Lastly hed need a bit of knowledge about COIE and IC to understand the anti monitor and superboy prime (superman prime)'s threat. Rebirth as a whole just explains how hal is alive, how senstro is alive and why yellow doesnt hurt all the lanterns (just rookies).

To fully get all the players that are involved in the war hed need to go back to mongo and cyborg superman destroying coast city and the fall of hal jordan to Paralax. Likewise to understand Paralax's threat hed need to read Zero Hour (which was terrible), Final Night to see Hal die and hed then need to see Hals redemption in Day of Judgement. Hed need a deeper understanding of Ion which comes from the Kyle days in the Green lantern book. Now its time for Rebirth and the GL Corps mini series. Hed then need to pick up Infinite Crisis to see Ion return and to understand how powerful Superboy Prime is. Hed then need to understand what the Anit-Monitor was. (Crisis on Infinite Earths.... which would help with Prime's motives too). Lastly it would be all the New GL with Sinestro Corps Tales in them and then all The War books.

So as you can see to get a foundation of all the major players in this War hed need way more than Rebirth and on. But even if he did get just that hed need several months of GL and GL corps. Along with Infinite Crisis and a few back ups to that tale. Thats a lot of cash and time and reading to get caught up on. Hes obviously discovered that, which is why he asked for help (that and the wiki not being so helpful)

Regardless I say those who do know pass on what they can and help him out.

Wikipedia these names

Paralax
Specter
Superboy Prime
Anti-Monitor
Cyborg SuperMan
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Coast City
Zero Hour
Final Night
Day of Judgement
Green Lantern: Rebirth
Infinite Crisis
Ion
Kyle Rainer
Hal Jordan
Guy Gardner
John Stuart
Kilowag
The Guardians
OA
Mogo
Green Lantern Corps
Sinestro
Green Lantern
Sinestro Corps
Manhunters
Qward


Good luck. Its alot of stuff to get to fully grasp Sinestro corps war and what it means to the GLC. for a basic summary see my other post. Its the basic knowledge youll need to get most of the war.

[botch]

To use your star wars referance "A new hope" is not necessarily needed to understand "empire strikes back" nor is it needed to get a firm grasp of "phantom menace". The idea of jedi and the force and the knowledge of what a light-sabre is would be all that is needed. (and i mean basic knowledge) Each movie does its on job of setting up each character. Lucas wanted them to stand on there own. But we digress.....


That is the stupidest thing i've read on this site.

A New Hope is the epitome of modern narratives that introduce stories and characters. There was various film sites arguing against lucas' idea that you should see star wars from episode 1 since it introduces nothing. If someone knew nothing about star wars you cannot say "it's okay just watch empire" A New Hope is the introduction movie and I think you'll have a hard time arguing against film reviewers, people like moriarty from Aint it cool.

[ShaggyB]

That is the stupidest thing i've read on this site.

A New Hope is the epitome of modern narratives that introduce stories and characters. There was various film sites arguing against lucas' idea that you should see star wars from episode 1 since it introduces nothing. If someone knew nothing about star wars you cannot say "it's okay just watch empire" A New Hope is the introduction movie and I think you'll have a hard time arguing against film reviewers, people like moriarty from Aint it cool.

Let me ask you this then. Is it not the film makers goal to make a sequel that stands on its own with out the previous film to back it up?

Argue all you want but most Star Wars fans agree Empire was the best and is truely the one to see if you are going to only see one.

Is it not common knowledge to you that Star Wars almost didnt get made and that while Lucas had a huge story planned out that he never really imagined hed get to tell Empire or Revenge (Return) of the Jedi? Why do you think that 5 relates closer 6 than 4 does to 5 or 6. Its because 4 became a box office success and the sequals qere green lighted indefinantly. The ground work was done with 4 but the story of the jedi and lukes quest began in Episode 5. Thats why the basic understanding of the events of 4 will do fine in jumping into 5.

While i do agree watching Episode 1 first ruins the experiance of Episodes 4-6, it is NOT REQUIRED THAT YOU SEE EPISODE 4 to understand episode 5 or 6. Just like skipping out on Rebirth will not ruin Sinestro Corps for you.

Point is you want the original poster to read 3 years worth of GL to understand something that a brief summary of 20 years could tell him. You are unwilling to give him that and you voiced the opinion that my helpful post was inappropriate. You are wrong. Its that simple.

1. to get the understanding of everything he needs more than Rebirth on, he needs 20 years of gl stories and character development (but really a summary would be just fine. although id recommend reading some Gl trades as the stories are good reads)

2. to get a firm grasp on current GL he needs a summary on how and why the glcorps was reformed. What Kyle/ Ion where and how each of the earthmen fit in.

3. You are wrong in thinking that Episode 4 is essential to understanding the rest of starwars. when a brief summary of the concepts of jedi's (galatic peace keepers) and the force (power that the jedi use to manipulate objects and weild light sabres) (besides 5 really explains that stuff), death star = blown up by luke (the hero), vader = villian and obi-wan = dead jedi mentor would do just fine to set up Episode 5. (which btw is still the best star wars movie in acting and character development.)

Likewise you are missing the point of my comments entirely: Im not saying episode 4 is a throw away. Im saying it is not needed to grasp the concepts that are present throughout its sequels. Im saying the character introductions are done in each of the films and allow for new fans to jump in at any point with the very basic knowledge of the story and understand and enjoy it.

The point in comparing with the Green Lantern is that you claim he needs the start of the tale to understand the concepts displayed in the war when all he needs is a summary of 20 years and a few characters. Sure for greater understanding he should read them all.... but he doesnt have to to get the story.... just like you should see episode 4 before 5 and 6 but you dont have to see it if you get the basic plot points. You wont be lost... Lucas made sure of that...

oh and one last thing on Star Wars and its being "epitome of modern narratives".... While i love Star Wars i would not put it in that high a regards when you have things like "Citizen Kane", "Casablanka" and "Gone With Wind" out there. And dont say modern because "The Lord of The Rings" Trilogy would have long sense replaced it in the way of introduction of "stories and characters" and growth of said characters. I will give you that ILM, which was founded during production on Star Wars, has done wonders for Special Effects in modern cinema. Although ILM has been surpassed by the animators of pixar and Dreamworks and the digital character creators over at Weta.... you cant say they didnt start the special effects revolution..... but again thats way off topic on his needing to get a summary of the events that Sinestro Corps War deals with. A brief summary of the characters and a list of all tie ins will do just fine. (Though it does need repeating that some themes date back to CIOE and some specifically dealling with hal and paralax date back to Coast city being destroyed by cyborg superman.)

Get anything that says "Tales of the Sinestro Corps", get all "Sinestro Corps War" issues and one shots. Now read up on the wiki or the posts above on each of the characters and you should be good OP

[thehod]

I think people are underrating it still. like it will be one of the great green lantern stories, which is silly. This is already one of the great Superhero stories. When the end of time comes, Sinestro Corps War will be up there as one of the best comic book stories ever.

No it won't.

Don't get me wrong, Sinestro Corps is very good indeed, certainly some of the best material DC has put out for the last 5 years or so, but its nowhere near Watchmen or Dark Knight.

You want to read stuff that's better than Sinestro Corps, try Starman, Xmen: God loves Man Kills, DC New Frontier, The Golden Age, Miracleman, V for Vendetta, or Flash: Return of Barry Allen.

[Will.S]

Try to read all the specials and both Green Lantern and GL:Corps because it's all one big package in my eyes...although not totaly nessecary but well worth it.
The Kyle Rayner special wasn't really that good though, it's mostly like a memory recap and him fighting inside of his own body against Parallax. The Cyborg Superman one is actually pretty good as far as a recap of his history goes but again not really all that relevant to the main books, the art on both of them were sub-par IMO

Superman Prime special on the other hand was great and actually added and leads up to the big fight between Prime and Yat.

[Slaughter]

No it won't.

Don't get me wrong, Sinestro Corps is very good indeed, certainly some of the best material DC has put out for the last 5 years or so, but its nowhere near Watchmen or Dark Knight.

You want to read stuff that's better than Sinestro Corps, try Starman, Xmen: God loves Man Kills, DC New Frontier, The Golden Age, Miracleman, V for Vendetta, or Flash: Return of Barry Allen.

BURN THIS HERETIC IN THE NAME OF SINESTRO!!! :evilsmile :evilsmile

[OzBat!]

Let me ask you this then. Is it not the film makers goal to make a sequel that stands on its own with out the previous film to back it up?These days? Not so much. Since Back To the Future II & III were made back to back, we've had many other film trilogies which are consciously interdependant, they're designed to be seen alongside the other parts and you do miss out on a lot of the story if you don't see the others. The Matrix Movies, Lord of the Rings, and especially Pirates of the Carribean III makes NO sense unless you've seen the other two.

Empire is by far the strongest of the three original Star Wars movies, but there's no character introductions, you're expected to just jump on in and catch up if you haven't seen the first film. So no, it really doesn't stand on its own without the previous film. If the story is well told that's not such a drastic problem, and when looking at the Sinestro Corps story we're seeing evidence of that... it's engaging, entertaining, and you don't have to know everything that's gone before to enjoy it, but it really doesn't stand alone.

[ShaggyB]

These days? Not so much. Since Back To the Future II & III were made back to back, we've had many other film trilogies which are consciously interdependant, they're designed to be seen alongside the other parts and you do miss out on a lot of the story if you don't see the others. The Matrix Movies, Lord of the Rings, and especially Pirates of the Carribean III makes NO sense unless you've seen the other two.

Ok ill byte on that one. Movies filmed as 1 but divided into many are a good exception to the rule. But lets do pirates of the caribean. Would Pirates 2 be completely not followable without having seen pirates 1. If someone told you a discription of pirates 1 and johnny deeps and orlando blooms characters could you not follow along with that movie?

And in the beginning of 2 they establish jacks character by having a warrant for his arrest and elizabeth and will defending his name. You now know he is a good pirate whom fights for right on the wrong side of the law. You then discover that hes more in it for himself and that he is very sly.

The Matrix 2, is a bit better of an example as a brief knoweldge of what the matrix and neo are would be needed to get that movie. Also you are right LOTRs would have been a bit harder to get a grasp of without seeing it but if you read movie plots you could follow along nicely. But again its better on multiple sequels now a days, especially the ones that are filmed in a way to setup a sequel (ie 1&2 are done all at once), to see them together.

I beleive the best rule breaker on that would be Harry Potter. While 2 does a good job of catching the viewer up if he/she jumps in after the first.... 3 has a bit of assumption left to the characters of harry, ron and hermine (spelling?) while 4 and 5 require one to have seen at least some of the potter films to get concepts that are being thrown around. But 2 still was filmed in such a way that 1 could be missed and 2 would catch you up.

But with Star Wars each film was designed in its story to re intro the characters briefly and then to stand on its on while being true to the previous release.

Empire is by far the strongest of the three original Star Wars movies, but there's no character introductions, you're expected to just jump on in and catch up if you haven't seen the first film. So no, it really doesn't stand on its own without the previous film.

So they dont show you Luke, the hero, first? They dont establish Vaders nastiness when you first meet him? Luke doesnt tell you who Obi-wan is when he appears? Han and Chewy arent shown to sorta be space pirates but to have conflicting interests. And most importantly the opening Crawl doesnt tell you the back story?

here Is the opening crawl from Episode 5:

Episode V

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

It is a dark time for the
Rebellion. Although the Death
Star has been destroyed,
Imperial troops have driven the
Rebel forces from their hidden
base and pursued them across
the galaxy.

Evading the dreaded Imperial
Starfleet, a group of freedom
fighters led by Luke Skywalker
has established a new secret
base on the remote ice world
of Hoth.

The evil lord Darth Vader,
obsessed with finding young
Skywalker, has dispatched
thousands of remote probes into
the far reaches of space...

How does that not Establish the 2 major characters or the back story that is needed to get the movie?

It is missable if youve seen the first film but each of the movies re-establishes its characters in the first 15 minutes. Most sequels do this except for those fun ones that were all filmed together. (That is a brand new style of cinema story telling.)

If the story is well told that's not such a drastic problem, and when looking at the Sinestro Corps story we're seeing evidence of that... it's engaging, entertaining, and you don't have to know everything that's gone before to enjoy it, but it really doesn't stand alone.

True you need a few details of back filler and thats because comics can be stand alone arcs but for the most part are very reliant on the reader to have a familiarity with established characters. (not every issue of Batman do they say bruce misses his mother and father and how there deaths inspired him to fight crime and not let that happen to anyone else, Its expected that the reader has the core basics on a character down)

Meanwhile i thank you for your replies and for pointing out some sequels dont follow the pattern. (lol and everyone truely does love Empire best.... "Luke.... I am your father") (anyone else remember the breakfast cereal or there parents discussing the big reveal? Wow the late 70s early 80s was a good time to be a kid)

[ShaggyB]

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nevermind put all in one post for ease. and in an atempt to stay on topic ill leave movie debates alone for a bit