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Dagger

11-24-2007, 11:16 AM

Whether you care for his writing or not, more often than not, you'll like one of his pet characters, and find more often than not, only some writers seem to get her, and he is one of them.

My favorite was hands down, Dani Moonstar. Of all of the characters he's made into uber-women, she's the one who I've always enjoyed under him. She has all the good qualities that he puts into his female characters and leaves out all the superflous crap that they could do without. She's also one of the characters I don't like seeing under other writers, because they simply don't know what to do with her. A plot point that gets old for me is changing her powers. Either work with what you have or leave it alone.

Brian M.

11-24-2007, 11:20 AM

I don't ever want him to touch Jean Grey again...ever. He can play with Rachel if he wants a Jean-type.

Faded

11-24-2007, 11:36 AM

Where's Cecilia Reyes?!?!?

Nyssane

11-24-2007, 11:37 AM

I lyked the way Claremont wrote Arclight. GAW GAW.

jarrod

11-24-2007, 12:01 PM

Stephane Garrelie

11-24-2007, 01:06 PM

Jean, Phoenix from the Claremont/Byrne/Austin era. One of my top favorite characters.
Followed by Storm, Rachel, Kitty & Rogue.
Ororo is second favorite, Ray, Kitty & Rogue are ex-equo.

ZNOP

11-24-2007, 01:38 PM

Naturally, Jean Grey and her daugther. Nobody does it better!

Novaya Havoc

11-24-2007, 01:48 PM

I voted other. I'm sure I can think of someone.

pryde15

11-24-2007, 01:49 PM

obviously it is Kitty Pryde :D

I kind of liked how he wrote Jean, but I did enjoy Louise Simonson's characterization much more :D

Phil Hunn

11-24-2007, 01:54 PM

Where's Cecilia Reyes?!?!?

Anybody who preferred Revolution Cecilia to Lobdell/Seagle/Kelly Cecilia should hang their heads in shame.

Shame, I tell you!

CyberHubbs

11-24-2007, 02:08 PM

Kitty, of course. Loved her in Mekanix.

DungeonmasterJim

11-24-2007, 02:30 PM

Rachel Summers. As in NOT Rachel Grey.

DM Jim

ZNOP

11-24-2007, 02:50 PM

Rachel Summers. As in NOT Rachel Grey.

DM Jim

Hmmm??? Last I, checked she changed her codename and her surname to honor her mother. But, hey? Who am I to nitpick?

jarrod

11-24-2007, 02:57 PM

Anybody who preferred Revolution Cecilia to Lobdell/Seagle/Kelly Cecilia should hang their heads in shame.

Shame, I tell you!
Well, I preferred Revolution Cece to Weaponj X Cece at least. :(

Phil Hunn

11-24-2007, 03:00 PM

Hmmm??? Last I, checked she changed her codename and her surname to honor her mother. But, hey? Who am I to nitpick?

I think Jim is making the point that Rachel has been a pale imitation of her former self ever since she changed her surname. Which I think is a pretty valid complaint, considering how Rachel Summers used to be full of fire and fury, and Rachel Grey was characterised as a clueless newbie who threw tantrums at Emma Frost.

Dagger

11-24-2007, 11:34 PM

Well, I preferred Revolution Cece to Weaponj X Cece at least. :(
But that's like preferring herpes to genital warts! It's bad no matter how you put it!!;)

Novaya Havoc

11-24-2007, 11:37 PM

But that's like preferring herpes to HIV! It's bad no matter how you put it!!;)

For the record, I would totally prefer herpes to HIV.

BAD ANALOGY.

Dagger

11-24-2007, 11:42 PM

For the record, I would totally prefer herpes to HIV.

BAD ANALOGY.
EEk. I guess I should have said the herp to genital warts or something!

Flâneur

11-24-2007, 11:47 PM

SAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Throw those calculated boots into the sun grrl and kill some broccoli people!

XYagentguy

11-25-2007, 01:03 AM

I voted, but I just want to give a special Kudos to Mr. Claremont. He is truly the father of X-Men and has propelled the series in ways I don't believe could have been possible without him.

I realize his writing style is somewhat outdated and his best idea's seem to have been in the past, but I thank him and appreciate him for where he brought the x-men and the wonderful characters that came out of his mind (some of the best in the industry, imo)

Thank you Mr. Claremont.

xmanson

11-25-2007, 05:42 AM

Storm. Best x-character ever.

Well, at least she used to be.

Arilou

11-25-2007, 07:52 AM

Aww, I thought it was "Best Claremontism" and was debating whether or not "The Devil!?" Beats "The sum total of my psychic potential!"

That said, Kitty, agree that she was spot on in Mekanix.

jcp011c

11-25-2007, 08:52 AM

Despite the fact that Claremont seems to be going downhill in his writings for the last several rounds, he has done, at one time or another, most of the characters well. It's just that the only ones he's continued to allow to try and develop fully (past his 197-1991 run that is) are few and far between. Most of the characters , when he took up writing again in 2000, seemed to regress in their development, ignoring the 9 years of development they had whilst he was absent from the X-Books. In that, so much further usage turned to more of an in-joke or plot device more than anything else (Psylocke,who he used to write so well, and who I would love to see written by anyone BUT him at this point.)
That said, the only character who has always seemed to flourish under his pen in Storm. Not that other characters haven't done decently with her but he almost always does well with Storm. (Not sure where the Storm: Arena thing in XXM came from, but aside from that.....).
He's pretty hit and miss with the other characters, some characters so far off base it's not anywhere in the ballpark, and some usually doing okay (Marvel Girl, Nightcrawler). But yeah, he really gets Storm. Maybe he dresses in diva-ish headgear and capes on his nights off.

DDM

11-25-2007, 09:05 AM

Before Claremont, Jean was boring. Srsly. He made her worth even considering for once...

I voted Storm though, as even his worst generally, Claremont's Ororo is still pretty decent somehow. Most other writers have no clue how to handle her also, unlike some of Claremont's other favorites (Kitty, Jean, Rogue, etc).

I agree. As Marvel Girl, Jean Grey is the almost perfect girl-next-door type among the original X-Men & the weakest X-Man; however, with Jean's transformation into Phoenix, she is still the girl-next-door with the powers of a god. Despite Jean's strong moral fortitude to keep her Phoenix powers under control, she gave into her very human passions the primal Phoenix tapped into, thus, triggering her transformation from the decadent Hellfire Club's Black Queen into the evil Dark Phoenix. Phoenix's heroic sacrifice cemented Jean Grey's character forever.

Jean Grey, as Phoenix, opened up new story telling possibilities for the character while still retaining the basic characterization without compromising her.

Chris Claremont & Dave Cockrum really loved Phoenix & it showed in their stories.

DDM

11-25-2007, 09:35 AM

I like several Claremont characters ranging from Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Shadowcat, Magik, Magma, Mirage, Phoenix, Rachel Summers Phoenix, etc al; however, of them all, the most development came from Chris Claremont's Storm from untouchable "goddess" to very passionate human woman in control of her powers to losing & regaining them over several years inbetween & for Storm's potential for magic. I miss Storm because currently she is not in-character in another book.

DDM

11-25-2007, 09:38 AM

ZNOP

11-25-2007, 10:00 AM

Despite Jean's strong moral fortitude to keep her Phoenix powers under control, she gave into her very human passions the primal Phoenix tapped into, thus, triggering her transformation from the decadent Hellfire Club's Black Queen into the evil Dark Phoenix. Phoenix's heroic sacrifice cemented Jean Grey's character forever.

Hmmmm??? I thought Her vast potential made her a target for the illusionist Mastermind, who was attempting to prove himself in order to join the prestigious Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club. With the help of a mind-tap device created by the White Queen, Emma Frost, Mastermind (using the alias Jason Wyngarde) was able to project his illusions directly into Phoenix's mind. These illusions caused her to believe that she was reliving the memories of her ancestor, Lady Grey, who in Mastermind's illusions, was Wyngarde's lover. Phoenix was subverted into joining the Hellfire Club as their Black Queen, a decadent role that would allow her to relish the extremes of human emotion and began to break down the barriers that she had erected.

Well, Now we know what Emma was really after -- Jean's spotlight. And she got it too.

Christopher O

11-25-2007, 10:08 AM

Storm is THE Claremontizon.

Claremont loves his Tranny Goddess.

Kefky

11-25-2007, 10:36 AM

Probably Rogue. Claremont made her a cool, strong character without throwing her our faces every story, and making her a Mary Sue.

david r

11-25-2007, 11:40 AM

DDM

11-25-2007, 12:16 PM

Hmmmm??? I thought Her vast potential made her a target for the illusionist Mastermind, who was attempting to prove himself in order to join the prestigious Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club. With the help of a mind-tap device created by the White Queen, Emma Frost, Mastermind (using the alias Jason Wyngarde) was able to project his illusions directly into Phoenix's mind. These illusions caused her to believe that she was reliving the memories of her ancestor, Lady Grey, who in Mastermind's illusions, was Wyngarde's lover. Phoenix was subverted into joining the Hellfire Club as their Black Queen, a decadent role that would allow her to relish the extremes of human emotion and began to break down the barriers that she had erected.

Well, Now we know what Emma was really after -- Jean's spotlight. And she got it too.

Since this isn't a Jean Grey Phoenix discussion, I didn't want to devote a whole paragraph about the cause of Phoenix's corruption.

Daydreamer

11-25-2007, 12:22 PM

SAGE! Computer Mind all the way, Bay Bay!

jarrod

11-25-2007, 12:33 PM

Some of Claremont's characterizations since 2000 have stuck. He took Kitty Pryde from a bookworm tween into a sexually-aware, independent late-teens and that all began in his '98 Wolverine run. It's one of the few character changes he's made recently that has stuck.
Er... let's try not to credit Claremont with what Warren Ellis actually achieved years earlier. :P

If anything, Claremont got flack for trying to suddenly de-age Kitty to 16 again when he got ahold of her again in 1999. I quite liked his Kitty recently in Mechanix, POF and EOG, but he's not at all the one who solidified "adult" Kitty Pryde for us.

ZNOP

11-25-2007, 01:44 PM

Since this isn't a Jean Grey Phoenix discussion, I didn't want to devote a whole paragraph about the cause of Phoenix's corruption.

I'm sorry. I thought this was a "Favorite Claremontizon!" Thread. I was only answering a post. Not trying to start a Jean war.

caney

11-25-2007, 01:45 PM

By the Goddess, it's STORM!

DDM

11-25-2007, 02:41 PM

Probably Rogue. Claremont made her a cool, strong character without throwing her our faces every story, and making her a Mary Sue.

Oddly, I learned more to like Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel because of the Ms. Marvel personality stuck in Rogue's head throughout Uncanny X-Men. I like how Rogue reacted against the Carol Danvers personality because they are two very different characters who, in reality, would not have anything to with the other if given a choice. Furthermore, Carol Danvers hates Rogue as much as Rogue hates Carol Danvers. The dynamic made for some good moments for Rogue & the Ms. Marvel psyche in Rogue's head.

GoingGreen

11-25-2007, 03:16 PM

Dagger

11-25-2007, 09:31 PM

Shouldn't Polaris be on the list since Chris Claremont gave Lorna her code-name with a new costume? He also really developed Lorna when she was possesed by the Marauder, Malice then she gained superhuman strength & invulnerability after Zaladane stole her magnetic powers to become the pawn of the Shadow King...
No, because even though he did all that, she wasn't a Claremontizon. She was the character that would become the Rachel Grey of the Revolution. She was never really developed under CC, just randomly throughout his initial run was she even touched upon.

Flameworthy

11-25-2007, 09:55 PM

No, because even though he did all that, she wasn't a Claremontizon. She was the character that would become the Rachel Grey of the Revolution. She was never really developed under CC, just randomly throughout his initial run was she even touched upon.

Polaris under Claremont was awful. He did nothing but dump all over her character. It was lame to the extreme how she was controlled by Malice, and then later she had her powers taken by Zaladane only to be followed by gaining a crappy secondary mutation, and finally being used by the Shadow King. Yeesh, if he hated the character that much why did he even bother using her.

Dagger

11-25-2007, 10:01 PM

Polaris under Claremont was awful. He did nothing but dump all over her character. It was lame to the extreme how she was controlled by Malice, and then later she had her powers taken by Zaladane only to be followed by gaining a crappy secondary mutation, and finally being used by the Shadow King. Yeesh, if he hated the character that much why did he even bother using her.
Let's not forget having her controlled by Erik the Red first.

He hardly ever wrote her being herself. She was always controlled/manipulated by one person or another when he was writing her. There was barely any character development for her under him. She didn't really blossom until PAD got a hold of her.

Flâneur

11-25-2007, 10:03 PM

Isn't the whole point of the Claremontizon that everyone attempts to DOMINATE them but they end up overcoming DOMINATION with their INDOMITABLE wills? I think that automatically disqualifies Lorna.

Flameworthy

11-25-2007, 10:06 PM

Let's not forget having her controlled by Erik the Red first.

He hardly ever wrote her being herself. She was always controlled/manipulated by one person or another when he was writing her. There was barely any character development for her under him. She didn't really blossom until PAD got a hold of her.

Oh yeah, I forgot that one.

Tru dat! The only good thing he ever did for the character was give her a codename.

Dagger

11-25-2007, 10:18 PM

Sage. Don't get me wrong, I hate her with a passion. However, I thank God and Claremont everyday for producing something so ridiculously easy to make fun of with my best friend. I would've chosen Storm, but I get offensively aggressive when I make fun of Storm, and... people hate me for it. /:
Um...the point of the thread was to find out your favorite Claremontizon, not who do you think he loves the most....we all know its' the tranny Storm.:p
Isn't the whole point of the Claremontizon that everyone attempts to DOMINATE them but they end up overcoming DOMINATION with their INDOMITABLE wills? I think that automatically disqualifies Lorna.
Exactly! Lay it on me!that's a really bad sexual entendre, so if you want, you can try to penetrate my indomitable will!
Oh yeah, I forgot that one.

Tru dat! The only good thing he ever did for the character was give her a codename.
Yeah, and that's to say, I didn't love every character he wrote, but I did love his Dani, Sam, Berto, Rahne, Karma(even though she was hardly on the team), Amara, Doug, 'Lock, Wolvie, Storm, Colossus, Kitty, Crawler, Rachel..pre-Phoenix, etc., so he wasn't always golden in my book, but he really wrote some terrific characters back in the day. It's too bad he can't seem to find the characters voices like he used to.

Karl H

11-25-2007, 11:13 PM

Dagger. Where's the I hate them all in equal measure option?

At least you didn't mention Cece. Ugh.

Dagger

11-25-2007, 11:21 PM

Dagger. Where's the I hate them all in equal measure option?

At least you didn't mention Cece. Ugh.
I'm sorry MELONSBABY! But I liked some of the characters he wrote back in the day.:(

And I would poke out my left eye and replace it with my right testicle if mentioning Cece by CC was never mentioned again!

jarrod

11-26-2007, 06:57 AM

Yeah, Claremont really did Lorna no favors... which is kinda strange considering she'd so easily fit his favorite archetype. I *did* kinda like buff Lorna for awhile tho...

GoingGreen

11-26-2007, 09:34 AM

I think it's relatively obvious that Claremont openly hates Polaris. I think it's that middle child syndrome thing. Jean - Polaris - Storm = his attitude. Bored now. I mean, he hated her so much he had her brainwashed nineteen hundred times before getting possessed by Malice, which was her position forever until losing her magnetic powers and becoming some ugly She-Hulklite. Thank god that didn't last too long. But yeah, Claremont totally hates Polaris.

Um...the point of the thread was to find out your favorite Claremontizon, not who do you think he loves the most....we all know its' the tranny Storm.:p

And I said that Sage was my favorite because I get to make fun of her so much. Just because I hate her doesn't mean she can't be my favorite Clarmontizon. Sheesh.

DDM

11-26-2007, 09:45 AM

Flameworthy

11-26-2007, 10:07 AM

Chris Claremont did more for Polaris than Roy Thomas did in the original X-Men stories.

Which isn't really saying much.

Anodyne

11-26-2007, 11:07 AM

And I would poke out my left eye and replace it with my right testicle if mentioning Cece by CC was never mentioned again!
Is that a bribe or a threat?

dellicious

11-26-2007, 11:19 AM

i was going to vote storm, then i thought about the arena- :mad: :(

so i went for jean

DDM

11-26-2007, 01:53 PM

Which isn't really saying much.

Polaris & Havok wanted nothing to do with the X-Men; however, both got meet Corsair, Alex's father when the Starjammers had an elongated stay on Earth both before & after the X-Men defeated the Brood on both occasions. Polaris & Havok were featured in Marvel Team-Up #69-70. They also played roles in defeating Proteus in Uncanny X-Men #125-128 & rescuing the other X-Men from Doctor Doom & Arcade in Uncanny X-Men #146-147.

Lorna lived on Muir Island--adjusting to her new powers of superhuman strength & invulnerability--unaware she was absorbing negative energy for her new powers. This created an interesting subplot with the return of the Shadow King who used Legion to tap Lorna's negative energy to create a nexus on Muir Island & eventually corrupt the other Muir Island X-Men over time starting with Banshee's rescue of Lorna Dane in Uncanny X-Men #253.

I think it says quite alot.

Zombienorthstar

11-26-2007, 04:29 PM

Rachel Grey, End of Greys is one of the best arcs of the last decade.

xmanson

11-26-2007, 04:33 PM

DDM

11-26-2007, 05:21 PM

I think End of Grey's was one of the best uses of the Phoenix thing since the original arc, actually.

It came almost direclty from the original - the Shiar hates the Phoenix, anyone with a minimal potential of holding the force must die. A simple, unconvoluted premise resulting in a great arc.

Not too fond of Rachel Grey overall though. She got way too newbish.

Love Kitty during Mekanix.

I think Chris Claremont had a plan which involved an insane Majestrix Lilandra who sent the Death Squad to kill all the Greys in the first place. Lilandra once said madness runs in her family given both D'Ken & Deathbird went mad...

Lilandra as a villain with Deathbird as an uneasy ally would have made for a really good story.

LordAllMighty

11-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Polaris & Havok wanted nothing to do with the X-Men; however, both got meet Corsair, Alex's father when the Starjammers had an elongated stay on Earth both before & after the X-Men defeated the Brood on both occasions. Polaris & Havok were featured in Marvel Team-Up #69-70. They also played roles in defeating Proteus in Uncanny X-Men #125-128 & rescuing the other X-Men from Doctor Doom & Arcade in Uncanny X-Men #146-147.

Lorna lived on Muir Island--adjusting to her new powers of superhuman strength & invulnerability--unaware she was absorbing negative energy for her new powers. This created an interesting subplot with the return of the Shadow King who used Legion to tap Lorna's negative energy to create a nexus on Muir Island & eventually corrupt the other Muir Island X-Men over time starting with Banshee's rescue of Lorna Dane in Uncanny X-Men #253.

I think it says quite alot.

Good points. The whole point about Lorna and Alex was that they didn't want to be super-heroes. Luckily Chris kept them from falling into the useless character/kill box.

Anyway, I voted Storm.

Dagger

11-27-2007, 10:06 PM

Is that a bribe or a threat?
That's a little bit of both...?

Kage Kisaragi

11-27-2007, 10:09 PM

People like how Claremont wrote Storm? From what I remember hearing people felt he didn't do anything with the character. *shrug* I voted for Sage.

Dagger

11-27-2007, 10:59 PM

People like how Claremont wrote Storm? From what I remember hearing people felt he didn't do anything with the character. *shrug* I voted for Sage.
I'm assuming their talking about his initial run, where he *made* Storm into the predominant black super-heroine in comics.

Slung

11-27-2007, 11:26 PM

People like how Claremont wrote Storm? From what I remember hearing people felt he didn't do anything with the character. *shrug* I voted for Sage.

In the 80's, Claremont made Storm one of the most three dimensional and interesting characters in comic books. Storm really WAS the X-Men. She was much more interesting at that time than now.

Novaya Havoc

11-27-2007, 11:28 PM

Am I the only person who dislikes 80s Storm?

Counter-cultural =/= three dimensional, IMO.

Slung

11-27-2007, 11:51 PM

Am I the only person who dislikes 80s Storm?

Counter-cultural =/= three dimensional, IMO.

And I once thought I loved you. What I wrote off as quirky preferences has been revealed to be poor taste. For shame. For shame.

:)

Babylon23

11-28-2007, 01:18 AM

DDM

11-28-2007, 09:41 AM

My first issue of X-Men was Kitty's first appearance. She pretty much became my POV character for the series and is still my favourite x-character even today. She's also the one character that I think Claremont continues to write better than anyone (loved Mechanix). Only Ellis and Alan Davis come close to matching Claremont when writing Kitty.

Did you know Claremont based Kitty's personality on Louise Simonson's daughter? However, the name "Katherine Pryde" came from a Jewish girl John Byrne knew growing up.

Dagger

11-28-2007, 09:46 AM

Did you know Claremont based Kitty's personality on Louise Simonson's daughter? However, the name "Katherine Pryde" came from a Jewish girl John Byrne knew growing up.
Yeah, she was based off of Julie, who would later be the inspiration for Julie Power of the Power Pack.

Gaveedra 6

11-28-2007, 10:00 AM

Yeah, she was based off of Julie, who would later be the inspiration for Julie Power of the Power Pack.

Wow, that poor kid! Did she grow up to be either a computer-savy, melancholic ninja jewess, or a closeted hollywood lesbian? :p

I kid. Kitty got my vote. I just read the Kitty Pryde & Wolverine miniseries for the first time! CC really created something pretty unique with Kitty. An average girl who's actually completely above-average. Brilliant. IMO, Joss Whedon is the only writer since who really seems to get Kitty's voice. Warren Ellis did pretty well too, now that I think of it - I'm excited to see if he'll be writing her in Astonishing.

DDM

11-28-2007, 11:47 AM

Yeah, she was based off of Julie, who would later be the inspiration for Julie Power of the Power Pack.

While Mr. & Mrs. Power are based on Mr. & Mrs. Simonson...

Phil Hunn

11-28-2007, 01:18 PM

In the 80's, Claremont made Storm one of the most three dimensional and interesting characters in comic books. Storm really WAS the X-Men. She was much more interesting at that time than now.

Yeah. These days she's just... there, a lot of the time, firing off one of her sanctimonious speeches or - if Claremont is writing her - frolicking with Yukio and kicking people in the head.

Did you know Claremont based Kitty's personality on Louise Simonson's daughter? However, the name "Katherine Pryde" came from a Jewish girl John Byrne knew growing up.

On a related note, the Goblyn Queen is going to play a concert in my hometown soon - Maddie Pryor, the woman whose name Claremont used for Jean Grey's twin, is coming to Ipswich with her band. I'm tempted to go in order to see whether or not her band is composed of demons :)

Jimmy Starburst

11-29-2007, 01:51 PM

Slug is right: Storm really WAS the X-Men. She was my favorite character throughout Claremont's run - beautiful and strong-willed, she rose to the challenge of leading the X-Men through their roughest patch, despite the toll it took on her identity. And damn did she look fierce in that Mowhawk and leather get-up.

My other big X-crushes were with Dani Moonstar - at least once Bill Sienkewitcz began drawing her - and Illyana Rasputin (Darkchylde would definitely get it, even with the hooves and horns). :evilsmile

And who could forget the Team Supreme, Doug Ramsey and Warlock? I could never understand why they destroyed those two, they made such a good duo and looked so good doing it!

DDM

11-29-2007, 03:27 PM

Slug is right: Storm really WAS the X-Men. She was my favorite character throughout Claremont's run - beautiful and strong-willed, she rose to the challenge of leading the X-Men through their roughest patch, despite the toll it took on her identity. And damn did she look fierce in that Mowhawk and leather get-up.

Chris Claremont made Storm the heart & soul of the X-Men & she did her own interpretation of Xavier's dream in an attempt to better the X-Men, despite the challenges of holding the team together after The Mutant Massacre & rebuilding the X-Men after she regained her memories post-Uncanny X-Men #267 (with a little help from Forge & Banshee searching for the other missing X-Men) when most of the team went into the Siege Perilous such as Rogue, Havok, Psylocke, Dazzler, & Colossus.

Storm is the nexus for the X-Men given her leadership skills. Any other X-Man can be replaced--even Wolverine--but not Storm.

Babylon23

11-29-2007, 05:13 PM

I kid. Kitty got my vote. I just read the Kitty Pryde & Wolverine miniseries for the first time! CC really created something pretty unique with Kitty. An average girl who's actually completely above-average. Brilliant. IMO, Joss Whedon is the only writer since who really seems to get Kitty's voice. Warren Ellis did pretty well too, now that I think of it - I'm excited to see if he'll be writing her in Astonishing.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ellis use Kitty again. I haven't been impressed with Whedon's version of Kitty at all.