Would This Be The Right Forum To Start A Starlin Appreciation Thread?

[adam_warlock_2099]

I am about to make a new comic purchase for the first time in a long while. With Death of the New Gods, and Starlin's Captain Comet/The Weird mini series, I am once again ecstatic that Starlin is writing again.

With the way that he left Marvel because of their ideas conflicting with his on Thanos' series, I was afraid it would be a very long time before I would see something from him again.

So just to keep the conversation going . . . what do you all think of Starlin's writing and/or art? If so, what is some of your favorite works of his?

Here are some of mine . . .

Gilgamesh II
Dreadstar
Power of Warlock
Infinity Gauntlet and Abyss
Marvel: The End
The Weird
His Batman run (#414-#430)
Batman: The Cult
Death of Captain Marvel
His Silver Surfer issues (#34-38, 40, 41, 45-50)
His Captain Marvel run (#25-36)
Thanos Quest
Doctor Strange (#23-26)

I make no lies about being a Starlin fanboy. :D

[rick]

It hits me as being as good a place as any.

Jim Starlin is in my opinion one of the greatest artists to have ever worked in comics. He is what you would get if Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko went out and had a baby.

His layout and art style are dynamic and “action” packed, while at the same time incredibly detailed and more then a little trippy.

He is simply fantastic.

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[berk]

I love the Warlock and Captain Marvel stuff he did in the early to mid-70's. Really, just about eveything he did back then I liked. Darklon the mystic was another one I recall liking, too bad he didn't carry on with it a little longer. There was something about his style of artwork at that time that just clicked with me, and still does.

I lost track of him sometime around the Dreadstar thing, the first few installments of which I read in Marvel's Heavy Metal knock-off, "Epic". I've since read the first Dreadstar collection, Metamorphosis Odyssey, which I liked enough to want to try the next, one of these days. Speaking of which, how do you Starlin fans rate Dreadstar? I think it's where his artwork began to take a direction I like less than the earlier stuff, but it's still pretty good and the story starts off well. Was it ever brought to a resolution? Did it maintain the same level of quality through to the end?

[Sir Tim Drake]

Yes, it's okay to continue this thread on this forum.

[Chris Nowlin]

I've voted the man my third favourite writer and 2nd favourite writer/artist in recent enough times.

Rick expressed why rather well. For me, it's a handling of issues of cosmic import and dealing with abstract cosmic entities with a sophistication I rarely find in comics (there are other exceptions of course: Ditko's Strange, Gaiman's Sandman...)

I'll point to a few negatives (for balance)

A lot of repetition in his work if you read too much of his stuff. The battle against an all-powerful villain is an awesome story told beautifully several times by him, but we've seen it several times.

Ditto the battle against the evil church. Though it's excellent in both Warlock and Dreadstar, so it's a minor complaint.

His work took a downturn at some point. Infinity War and Crusade ranged from uninspired to terrible. Infinity Watch lost its direction by the time Infinity War showed up. Marvel The End copied Infinity Gauntlet to the point of stealing several lines of dialogue. Even his best recent stuff (like Thanos) seems a poor shadow of what he was doing in the '70s and '80s.

But the Thanos saga spinning though Captain Marvel, Warlock and a couple annuals is my favourite saga after the original Spider-Man stuff.


Other note: Do people like his books? I didn't love, love them, but rather enjoyed Lady El and Among Madmen.

Been meaning to get around to Thinning the Predators.

[berk]

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Other note: Do people like his books? I didn't love, love them, but rather enjoyed Lady El and Among Madmen.

Been meaning to get around to Thinning the Predators.Keep meaning to look for one but haven' got round to it yet. Any recommendations which one to try first?

[benday-dot]

I like Rick's description of Starlin coming out fighting like the child of Ditko and Kirby. Captain Marvel strikes me as more Kirby inspired, while Warlock has the more pronounced Ditko influences, especially when it comes to the latter's innovations first seen in Doctor Strange's early Strange Tales series. The more psychedelic elements in the two series certainly have much in common.

Starlin really was a great writer and artist, and he "arrived" at a time that seemed to be just right for him to appear on the comic world scene. He seemeed so right for that early to mid 70's beginning of an era of creator driven enterprises in mainstream superhero comics.

As the years wore on though, and I thought to stick with him, it kind of seemed to me as if Starlin was running on the cosmic treadmill a bit. That early innovative spirit seemed to be lacking and looked to me a little like we'd seen it all before.

Though I hasten to add I haven't seen all the titles adam_warlock praises.

Edit: Well it seems Chris has already eloquently stated most of my sentiments regarding Starlin.

[rick]

Though I hasten to add I haven't seen all the titles adam_warlock praises.


He only drew part of it, but his recent Mystery in Space mini-series was just great, and he really did a fine job of reintroducing Captain Comet for the new century.

[adam_warlock_2099]

It hits me as being as good a place as any.

Jim Starlin is in my opinion one of the greatest artists to have ever worked in comics. He is what you would get if Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko went out and had a baby.

His layout and art style are dynamic and “action” packed, while at the same time incredibly detailed and more then a little trippy.

He is simply fantastic.

I was introduced to Starlin's art when ready is Warlock run in those Warlock Baxter reprints. My first storytelling of his was Infinity Gauntlet and the Silver Surfer issues that proceeded Gauntlet. But I really didn't like Starlin's art at first. I continued to read through the whole Warlock saga and by the end I was almost liking it.

It was only after that, when reading something else that he wrote but didn't draw (can't remember what it was exactly) that I found that other's art doesn't complement his writing near as well as his own, save maybe Ron Lim.

Now I enjoy both and dig most anything he writes. Sure he has highs and lows, but overall no other writer and artist combo impresses me as much as Starlin does.

I love the Warlock and Captain Marvel stuff he did in the early to mid-70's. Really, just about eveything he did back then I liked. Darklon the mystic was another one I recall liking, too bad he didn't carry on with it a little longer. There was something about his style of artwork at that time that just clicked with me, and still does.

I lost track of him sometime around the Dreadstar thing, the first few installments of which I read in Marvel's Heavy Metal knock-off, "Epic". I've since read the first Dreadstar collection, Metamorphosis Odyssey, which I liked enough to want to try the next, one of these days. Speaking of which, how do you Starlin fans rate Dreadstar? I think it's where his artwork began to take a direction I like less than the earlier stuff, but it's still pretty good and the story starts off well. Was it ever brought to a resolution? Did it maintain the same level of quality through to the end?

I read through all the Epic issues of Dreadstar and enjoyed them all immensely. I never read through all the First Comics Dreadstars, and to be honest I am not even sure if Starlin wrote those.

And I agree his art was a bit different in Dreadstar from say his classic Warlock and Capt Marvel issues, but to me not bad. About the one thing he has done that did not interest me in both art and writing was Breed. The Marvel Graphic Novel #3 had a Dreadstar called "The Price" that was incredible.

Yes, it's okay to continue this thread on this forum.

Thank you sir. Wasn't too sure since Starlin has done comics considered classic as well as modern comics.

I've voted the man my third favourite writer and 2nd favourite writer/artist in recent enough times.

Rick expressed why rather well. For me, it's a handling of issues of cosmic import and dealing with abstract cosmic entities with a sophistication I rarely find in comics (there are other exceptions of course: Ditko's Strange, Gaiman's Sandman...)

I'll point to a few negatives (for balance)

A lot of repetition in his work if you read too much of his stuff. The battle against an all-powerful villain is an awesome story told beautifully several times by him, but we've seen it several times.

Ditto the battle against the evil church. Though it's excellent in both Warlock and Dreadstar, so it's a minor complaint.

His work took a downturn at some point. Infinity War and Crusade ranged from uninspired to terrible. Infinity Watch lost its direction by the time Infinity War showed up. Marvel The End copied Infinity Gauntlet to the point of stealing several lines of dialogue. Even his best recent stuff (like Thanos) seems a poor shadow of what he was doing in the '70s and '80s.

But the Thanos saga spinning though Captain Marvel, Warlock and a couple annuals is my favourite saga after the original Spider-Man stuff.


Other note: Do people like his books? I didn't love, love them, but rather enjoyed Lady El and Among Madmen.

Been meaning to get around to Thinning the Predators.

That is what I love about his writing and art as well. There were a few Doctor Strange issues that he drew/wrote that stick out in my mind as some of the most awesome artistic representations of the abstract and cosmic.

Yes, he does use the "same" storyline alot. The powerful evil villain and the upstart hero, or the malevolent universe spanning church. But they seem to fit him so well in his storytelling.

I think that with his later work, that it was a low of ideas for comics. Infinity Gauntlet should have been it. The writing of War and Crusade continued the story of Warlock exorcising his evil and good, but that could have been left up to the imagination of the reader, and still lead into Infinity Watch showing that he gave a guardian to each of the Infinity Gems.

I can't objectively comment on Thanos' series, because I was just so damned ecstatic to see Thanos finally get his own series that I looked at it through clouded eyes. I'm sure now if I read it again, I could be more objective.

I have been meaning to read some of his books, but still have yet to get to them. This gives me more fuel to do so.

[adam_warlock_2099]

I like Rick's description of Starlin coming out fighting like the child of Ditko and Kirby. Captain Marvel strikes me as more Kirby inspired, while Warlock has the more pronounced Ditko influences, especially when it comes to the latter's innovations first seen in Doctor Strange's early Strange Tales series. The more psychedelic elements in the two series certainly have much in common.

Starlin really was a great writer and artist, and he "arrived" at a time that seemed to be just right for him to appear on the comic world scene. He seemeed so right for that early to mid 70's beginning of an era of creator driven enterprises in mainstream superhero comics.

As the years wore on though, and I thought to stick with him, it kind of seemed to me as if Starlin was running on the cosmic treadmill a bit. That early innovative spirit seemed to be lacking and me as a little like we'd seen it all before.

Though I hasten to add I haven't seen all the titles adam_warlock praises.

Edit: Well it seems Chris has already eloquently stated most of my sentiments regarding Starlin.

Gilgamesh II was really a great series by DC comics. Not superhero stuff, more along the lines of Dreadstar. Or you could say Hardcore Station (which I forgot to mention) was more a duplicate or continuing idea of Gilgamesh II.

There are a lot of things that I didn't mention, but I think that the "cosmic treadmill" worked so well for me, and still does, because I entered the comic scene in the early 90's and being introduced to these types of stories from the 70's just facinated me. I guess they still do now, because there is still so few cosmic stories in comics in this day too.

He only drew part of it, but his recent Mystery in Space mini-series was just great, and he really did a fine job of reintroducing Captain Comet for the new century.

Thank you sir. I hadn't know the name of the Captain Comet series. I was told about it on another board but didn't get the name.

[Chris Nowlin]

Keep meaning to look for one but haven' got round to it yet. Any recommendations which one to try first?

Not exactly. Both seem like standard enough sci/fi fare.

Among Madmen is a post-apocalyptic thriller about rebuilding society after a weird plague (though it will seem familiar if you've seen Serenity). Good stuff, but no Earth Abides.

Lady El is about a dead woman who's brain patterns are transferred into a computer. Solid, but not stellar.

[Chris Nowlin]

As to Dreadstar, I don't think the series is as good as the Metamorphosis Odyssey, but I still love it dearly.

For those confused about publication, Metamorphosis Odysses was serialised in the anthology Epic Illustrated.

SLG made 4 Dreadstar trades of which this was the first. Those 4 trades have low-quality print, and the recent Dynamic Forces trades are far superior in quality. But the DF trades begin with Book 3, by SLG's numbering, so you need the SLG trade to get the Metamorphosis Odyssey. Not too much is lost.

The big issue with SLG trades 2-4 is the loss of colour, and Metamorphosis Odyssey was all B&W except one fold-out splash page. Book 2 in the SLG numbering collects the two Marvel Graphic Novels titled "Dreadstar" and "The Price". These were originally in colour, but the trade is B&W.

Then is the ongoing series from Epic. It changed hands to First, but Starlin continued as writer, though at some point he stopped doing the art. The series continued after Starlin stopped (from David; I haven't read those) but it reached a good ending point with Starlin's last issue.

The first 10 issues are collected in the two DF trades and the last two SLG trades.

I think it's excellent all the way through. Solid space opera til the end, though by the time it's a series it lacks the unique feel that Metamorphosis Odyssey and the graphic novels had.

[berk]

As to Dreadstar, I don't think the series is as good as the Metamorphosis Odyssey, but I still love it dearly.

For those confused about publication, Metamorphosis Odysses was serialised in the anthology Epic Illustrated.

SLG made 4 Dreadstar trades of which this was the first. Those 4 trades have low-quality print, and the recent Dynamic Forces trades are far superior in quality. But the DF trades begin with Book 3, by SLG's numbering, so you need the SLG trade to get the Metamorphosis Odyssey. Not too much is lost.

The big issue with SLG trades 2-4 is the loss of colour, and Metamorphosis Odyssey was all B&W except one fold-out splash page. Book 2 in the SLG numbering collects the two Marvel Graphic Novels titled "Dreadstar" and "The Price". These were originally in colour, but the trade is B&W.

Then is the ongoing series from Epic. It changed hands to First, but Starlin continued as writer, though at some point he stopped doing the art. The series continued after Starlin stopped (from David; I haven't read those) but it reached a good ending point with Starlin's last issue.

The first 10 issues are collected in the two DF trades and the last two SLG trades.

I think it's excellent all the way through. Solid space opera til the end, though by the time it's a series it lacks the unique feel that Metamorphosis Odyssey and the graphic novels had.It is confusing. I have the first SLG trade, titled "Dreadstar Volume One: Metamorphosis Odyssey"; so the next one I should look for would be the 2nd SLG trade, and then either switch to the DF ones (titles?) for colour or carry on with the SLGs?

Also, I thought the original Metamorphosis Odyssey in Epic Illustrated was B&W. Were the later installments originally in colour or B&W?

[Chris Nowlin]

It is confusing. I have the first SLG trade, titled "Dreadstar Volume One: Metamorphosis Odyssey"; so the next one I should look for would be the 2nd SLG trade, and then either switch to the DF ones (titles?) for colour or carry on with the SLGs?

Also, I thought the original Metamorphosis Odyssey in Epic Illustrated was B&W. Were the later installments originally in colour or B&W?

In order with links: (not attempting to shill for amazon; it's just convenient)

Metamorphosis Odyssey (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-Metamorphosis-Odyssey-Jim-Starlin/dp/0943151287/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195878312&sr=8-4) from SLG. This was originally B&W, except one page, which has been reduced and made B&W for this trade.

Price (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-2-Price-Jim-Starlin/dp/0943151309/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195878312&sr=8-5)from SLG. This is the B&W trade of material originally in color.

Volume 1, Part 1 (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-Part-Definitive-Collections-Starlin/dp/097496381X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195878312&sr=8-1) from DF

Volume 1, Part 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-Part-Definitive-Collections/dp/0974963828/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b) by DF

If you wanted to continue, you'd need the issues starting I think with issue 11. I think his last issue was issue 40.

[berk]

In order with links: (not attempting to shill for amazon; it's just convenient)

Metamorphosis Odyssey (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-Metamorphosis-Odyssey-Jim-Starlin/dp/0943151287/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195878312&sr=8-4) from SLG. This was originally B&W, except one page, which has been reduced and made B&W for this trade.

Price (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-2-Price-Jim-Starlin/dp/0943151309/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195878312&sr=8-5)from SLG. This is the B&W trade of material originally in color.

Volume 1, Part 1 (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-Part-Definitive-Collections-Starlin/dp/097496381X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195878312&sr=8-1) from DF

Volume 1, Part 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Dreadstar-Part-Definitive-Collections/dp/0974963828/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b) by DF

If you wanted to continue, you'd need the issues starting I think with issue 11. I think his last issue was issue 40.Thanks, Chris, that clears it up. I'll most likely add the Price next time I order some old comics from wherever.

[JKCarrier]

The early scenes in Metamorphosis Odyssey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphosis_Odyssey) were in black and white, but once the story moved from Earth to outer space, the rest was in color (sort of a "Wizard of Oz" riff).

The Price (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_(graphic_novel)) was originally published by Eclipse in black and white. When Marvel reprinted it as a Dreadstar Annual, they added color (and edited out some minor nudity). I haven't seen the SLG edition, so I don't know if it's based on the original b&w, or if they just took the colorized version and de-colorized it... the way to check would be to look and see if the cat-demon Syzygy summons has a penis or not. ;)

[DDM]

I really enjoy Starlin's early 1970's Captain Marvel & Adam Warlock stories using Thanos as a nexus for both characters. His early 1990's Silver Surfer--also featuring the return of Thanos--which eventually lead to Thanos Quest & The Infinity Gauntlet series opened up a new avenue for story telling. Likewise, Warlock & the Infinity Watch started out strong to only peter out with the nebulous Infinity War & Infinity Crusade (These stories could have been much smaller in scale & better only in Warlock & the Infinity Watch book).

[Chris Nowlin]

The early scenes in Metamorphosis Odyssey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphosis_Odyssey) were in black and white, but once the story moved from Earth to outer space, the rest was in color (sort of a "Wizard of Oz" riff).

Oops. I stand corrected. I was extrapolating from the issues that I actually own in their original form and made a poor assumption. Thanks, JK.

[icctrombone]

Starlins Warlock and Captain marvel runs will always cement him in the comic Hall of fame in my book. I enjoyed all the Dreadstar series also. They made for good reading because he didn't fall back into cliched writing. The Warlock sequence that had his future self swallow his dying form blew my mind once it was repeated in the Avengers annual that wrapped up the storyline.

Also, when Dreadstar continued in First comics it was still created by Starlin up to issue # 34.

[adam_warlock_2099]

Starlins Warlock and Captain marvel runs will always cement him in the comic Hall of fame in my book. I enjoyed all the Dreadstar series also. They made for good reading because he didn't fall back into cliched writing. The Warlock sequence that had his future self swallow his dying form blew my mind once it was repeated in the Avengers annual that wrapped up the storyline.

Also, when Dreadstar continued in First comics it was still created by Starlin up to issue # 34.

Couldn't remember how far along he wrote it once it switched to First Comics. However I do remember knowing one issue seem to really fall off and when I went back and I looked I realized he wasn't writing it anymore.

[Simon Garth]

I am about to make a new comic purchase for the first time in a long while. With Death of the New Gods, and Starlin's Captain Comet/The Weird mini series, I am once again ecstatic that Starlin is writing again.

Best of luck - I bought DotNG #1 for much the same reason. Oh dear. Probably the worst Starlin art I have ever seen, particularly on Orion (imagine a face drawn on a peanut, then put that peanut on the Hulk's body instead of his head. Voila - Orion!), and Mr Miracle (don't know whose face that is, but (a) it's terribly drawn and (b) it doesn't look like Scot Free) and the incredibly stretching Jimmy Olson and the pint-size adults of the newsboy legion.

Absolutely dreadful stuff, I'm afraid.

[Eumenides]

I haven't followed Starlin in a long time, but I love his Marvel work from the '70's. His epic Thanos storyline in Captain Marvel still leaves me in awe today for its pacing and plotting. Warlock is even better in the art department, and Magus was almost as fascinating as Thanos. I wish Marvel would put out The Death of Captain Marvel in a sing volume; I already own all the other stories in The Life and Death and price isn't worth it :evilangry

[Chris Nowlin]

I haven't followed Starlin in a long time, but I love his Marvel work from the '70's. His epic Thanos storyline in Captain Marvel still leaves me in awe today for its pacing and plotting. Warlock is even better in the art department, and Magus was almost as fascinating as Thanos. I wish Marvel would put out The Death of Captain Marvel in a sing volume; I already own all the other stories in The Life and Death and price isn't worth it :evilangry

I don't know if it's in print, but they put out a reprint edition of just the death in the '90s. It should still be relatively cheap and easy to come across.

And you can probably find the original without too much difficulty via ebay/amazon.

I'd say it's essential to reading that original Thanos saga in its entirety.

[adam_warlock_2099]

Best of luck - I bought DotNG #1 for much the same reason. Oh dear. Probably the worst Starlin art I have ever seen, particularly on Orion (imagine a face drawn on a peanut, then put that peanut on the Hulk's body instead of his head. Voila - Orion!), and Mr Miracle (don't know whose face that is, but (a) it's terribly drawn and (b) it doesn't look like Scot Free) and the incredibly stretching Jimmy Olson and the pint-size adults of the newsboy legion.

Absolutely dreadful stuff, I'm afraid.

Wow, that does not sound good at all. But then his art has graced much of what he has written lately. I think Infinity Abyss or Cosmic Guard is the last thing I have seen him draw.

Ohh I hope it's not that bad. But I'll still try it.

How's the story though?

[devildinosaur]

I make no lies about being a Starlin fanboy. :D

Nothing wrong with being a Starlin fan. The man literally defines "cosmic" for me. I've every book you named in my collection...and a particular favorite is Gilgamesh. Great, great stuff.

[Simon Garth]

Wow, that does not sound good at all. But then his art has graced much of what he has written lately. I think Infinity Abyss or Cosmic Guard is the last thing I have seen him draw.

Ohh I hope it's not that bad. But I'll still try it.

How's the story though?

Hope you like it more than I did.

I wasn't wildly impressed with the story, but I've never read more than a couple of the original 4th World issues and some of the (80s?) relaunches, so I had no idea who half the characters were.

[earl]

I just re-read Dreadstar 1-26 and the reprint of The Price for the first time since the 80s. Dreadstar was one of my favorites when I was a teenager. It gets off to a great start with issues 1 to 11 and The Price annual, but I cannot figure why he took the series in such an opposite direction making it more of a superhero book by changing Dreadstar's costume, creating the Ultraviolet and Infared characters and completely abandoning the whole Plan M back story. I'll keep it vague, but there was also a couple of huge plot holes that came into the story dealing with High Lord Papal and Oedi that were a big head scratcher to me.

It was all worth reading and I eventually will track down the rest of the Starlin run on First, but I think the comic lost quite a bit after the two background stories in 10 and 11. The first 11 issues are excellent and the rest are just OK. Reading the letter column, it might be that they were getting some hassle from the messiah aspect of Plan M and Marvel thought it might sell more as a more traditional title in line with the superhero work that he did on Captain Marvel and Warlock.

I don't know, it is all worth reading but I think the change is puzzling. I just got the original Marvel graphic novel of Dreadstar and will eventually get that reprint of the Epic Illustrated issues.

[adam_warlock_2099]

I just re-read Dreadstar 1-26 and the reprint of The Price for the first time since the 80s. Dreadstar was one of my favorites when I was a teenager. It gets off to a great start with issues 1 to 11 and The Price annual, but I cannot figure why he took the series in such an opposite direction making it more of a superhero book by changing Dreadstar's costume, creating the Ultraviolet and Infared characters and completely abandoning the whole Plan M back story. I'll keep it vague, but there was also a couple of huge plot holes that came into the story dealing with High Lord Papal and Oedi that were a big head scratcher to me.

It was all worth reading and I eventually will track down the rest of the Starlin run on First, but I think the comic lost quite a bit after the two background stories in 10 and 11. The first 11 issues are excellent and the rest are just OK. Reading the letter column, it might be that they were getting some hassle from the messiah aspect of Plan M and Marvel thought it might sell more as a more traditional title in line with the superhero work that he did on Captain Marvel and Warlock.

I don't know, it is all worth reading but I think the change is puzzling. I just got the original Marvel graphic novel of Dreadstar and will eventually get that reprint of the Epic Illustrated issues.

Yes, the first issues up to "The Price" were the best. I think the elements that were in these issues of Dreadstar were prevelant in stories like Gilgamesh II, Hardcore Station, Cosmic Guard, and somewhat in Breed.

I have always liked his take on cosmic, and all encompassing issues. He really handles them well and still manages to make them relatable enough no matter how unbelievable they might be.

[adam_warlock_2099]

Nothing wrong with being a Starlin fan. The man literally defines "cosmic" for me. I've every book you named in my collection...and a particular favorite is Gilgamesh. Great, great stuff.

:D Some people just don't understand Starlin. Especially in this day and age with so little cosmic comics.

And yes, when I first read Gilgamesh it almost rivaled Warlock.

[berk]

:D Some people just don't understand Starlin. Especially in this day and age with so little cosmic comics.

And yes, when I first read Gilgamesh it almost rivaled Warlock.I don't think I've ever heard about this one; I'll have to check it out.

[Chris Nowlin]

I don't think I've ever heard about this one; I'll have to check it out.

I haven't read Gilgamesh II in a while, but I recall liking it. It really is just the story of Gilgamesh in a sci/fi setting

[berk]

I haven't read Gilgamesh II in a while, but I recall liking it. It really is just the story of Gilgamesh in a sci/fi settingDoesn't sound like a bad idea. So there's no 'Gilgamesh I' series, and Gilgamesh II just means Starlin's futuristic one as opposed to the original mythological Gilgamesh I?

[Paul McEnery]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea. So there's no 'Gilgamesh I' series, and Gilgamesh II just means Starlin's futuristic one as opposed to the original mythological Gilgamesh I?

Yup.

Not, perhaps, the best idea. I bet there's a whole bunch of people who won't buy it till they find the first volume.

Kinda like Madness of King George III.

[berk]

Damn. I was in the comic store today and forgot to look for Gilgamesh II. Oh well, probably find it cheaper online someplace anyway.