How important is Kingdom Come?

[Green Lantern wannabe]

I'm slowly catching up on the DC Canon, and I'm wondering if the Kingdom Come series is important, and, if so, if it is a must-read. Anyone?

[carabas]

It is a must-read because it is a very good story.
As far as being important, it's an Elsewotrld, set outside continuity. Hasn't stopped bits and pieces from it to end up in the DCU anyway, but as far as DCU canon is concerned, Kingdom Come is about as important as the Smallville television series.

[DirtyHarrington]

Kingdom Come is about as important as the Smallville television series.

You know >_> if you don't count all the Kingdom Come stuff cropping up in the current volume of JSA.

[Sean Whitmore]

You know >_> if you don't count all the Kingdom Come stuff cropping up in the current volume of JSA.

Or all the Smallville stuff popping up in the Superman books? :)


SEAN

[carabas]

That's what I was thinking of.

[botch]

Not important, decent story, sucks compared to Twilight of the Superheroes by Alan Moore which Kingdom Come seems very similar to.(No Sodam yat though. Bang)

I think Smallville should be important, because it has perfected alot of the little details that DC has retconned again and again into something different and is still doing.

[Sean Whitmore]

Not important, decent story, sucks compared to Twilight of the Superheroes by Alan Moore which Kingdom Come seems very similar to.(No Sodam yat though. Bang)

Not a completely fair comparison, though, since "Twilight" never made it past the treatment stage.


SEAN

[Kid Kyoto]

It is a must-read because it is a very good story.
As far as being important, it's an Elsewotrld, set outside continuity. Hasn't stopped bits and pieces from it to end up in the DCU anyway, but as far as DCU canon is concerned, Kingdom Come is about as important as the Smallville television series.

Like he said, but it also important for the whole meta-evolution of comics.

I see Kingdom Come and Alan Moore's Supreme as the dawn of a new trend or age in story-telling.

From the late 80s to the early 90s we had rising violence and a turn against iconic characters like Captain America, Superman or Wonder Woman. Everyone aquired 'an edge' shoulderpads, weapons, spittle, gritted teeth etc. New characters were almost all anti-heroes of one sort or another.

It was KC that showed iconic heroes, acting for noble reasons could make for an entertaining story and that clean character designs could look modern and cool.

So after that we saw the Avengers relauch with everyone back in their original costumes (after years of leather jackets, bandoliers and such), the original 7 members of the JLA in the JLA again. You get the idea.

All that might have happened without KC but KC in my mind was the harbringer so while it is not too important to DC's continuity it was very important to its history.

[COMIC GEEK]

Just by the trade, its cheap enough.

[botch]

Not a completely fair comparison, though, since "Twilight" never made it past the treatment stage.


SEAN

it was a damn good treatment, and it just makes kingdom come seem worse, a second rate version.

[Tobias March]

Not a completely fair comparison, though, since "Twilight" never made it past the treatment stage.


SEAN

I was saw it as a similar narrative, not to mention Moore even had the idea of including present day hints that may or may not indicate the DCU was heading towards that dystopian storyline.

And gee, look at what's been happening in the JSA?

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Great read, amazing art, good use of biblical symbolism. Not canon, as it's an alternate future, though I hear KC Superman is appearing in the JSA.
If you're a fan of Comic books, this is a must have, Waid weaves together a great story and Ross knocks it out of the park.

[botch]

Ohh yeah forgot the Art is pretty damn important.

[Rattlehead]

Read it. It's a great story, and it's made better by the fact that it's not tehtered to continuity.

[DirtyHarrington]

I didn't really like Kingdom Come at all. I loved Waid, and Ross draws pretty things, but I just thought it was really freaking boring.

THAT SAID. I like the idea behind Kingdom Come, so it's cool seeing it tie into continuity with Kingdom Come Superman in JSA.

SO. While I can't recommend the original series, I don't think saying "it's just an Elseworlds story" ACCURATELY DESCRIBES THE SITUATION any longer.

That is all. <_<

[Green Lantern wannabe]

If it's an Elseworlds story, then it's not canon, by definition. That said, Elseworlds is slowly becoming part of the multiverse, as in Red Son.

[Rattlehead]

If it's an Elseworlds story, then it's not canon, by definition. That said, Elseworlds is slowly becoming part of the multiverse, as in Red Son.

Indeed. Apparently some of the older Elseworlds stories are being reprinted with Tales of the Mulitverse stamped on them. It's kind of silly really, not every story needs to have it's own little world that Donna and Kyle can just miss Ray Palmer in.