View Full Version : Evil Organizations: I wanna be made ova!!!--does a lil dance!
Dagger
11-22-2007, 11:36 PM
Another poll thread!!!1 Wooooh!!! What Marvel evil organization do you think needs a makeover--ranging from a complete idea overhaul, to just a slight tweak here or there.
RowdyRodimus
11-22-2007, 11:41 PM
Does the editorial department count as an evil orginazation? :p
Dagger
11-22-2007, 11:44 PM
Does the editorial department count as an evil orginazation? :p
You can file that one under OTHER!!!~~!
The Sword Is Drawn
11-23-2007, 02:41 AM
What...? No Mys-Tech? :D
TotalWorldDomination
11-23-2007, 08:38 AM
I voted for The Hellfire Club, because the last one was fake and I was looking forward to seeing them back.
This time (take notes marvel editorial!) I'd very much like to see them do more of the "Old-Boys Network" style evil, using connections rather then mutant powers to acchive there goals. Heck, I'd like to see a Hellfire club with NO MUTANTS in it! Would'nt that be somthing!
Monty_Cristo
11-23-2007, 10:04 AM
I voted for The Hellfire Club, because the last one was fake and I was looking forward to seeing them back.
This time (take notes marvel editorial!) I'd very much like to see them do more of the "Old-Boys Network" style evil, using connections rather then mutant powers to acchive there goals. Heck, I'd like to see a Hellfire club with NO MUTANTS in it! Would'nt that be somthing!
mutants are the minority in the Hellfire Club. the Inner Circle usually has more mutants than non because Sebastian Shaw reorganized them, that way. still, they had Donald Pierce and Manuel Dacosta for the human quota. if you're just looking for a non-mutant version of the Inner Circle, you have whatever group that was paying Norman Osborn to create villains for Spider-man (& other heroes). a lot of these groups would be better served; returning to their roots/getting back to basics (imo). and i think that any Hellfire Club Inner Circle without a Shaw in it, is a fake; unless it's the London Branch.
cernunnos
11-23-2007, 12:02 PM
Masters of Evil, unless that's what The Hood will be calling his group of thugs.
Alpha Male
11-25-2007, 02:22 PM
I think the Hellfire Club would make great villians for Iron Fist and Black Panther. I kinda pictured the Hellfire Club having a chapter in Johannesburg. Seeing as the latest volume of Iron Fist is delving into Danny's father's past, what if Wendell Rand was offered membership into the Hellfire Club? Obviously he never got to be a member due to death and the club decides to extend the membership to Wendell's son Danny thinking that Iron Fist will be of some use to them. It'll make an interesting story.
As far the Hand, I'm in favor of a total revamp. Seeing as the Ninja Cult is called The Hand I would have the organization run by five leaders since there are five fingers on each hand. Each finger would represent a General of The Hand and a different faction. Various factions of the Hand would standout through fighting style, wardrobe and weaponry. There would be land, sea and air divisions of the Hand. They would also have fighting tournaments to scout out new talent for the Hand.
Lastly, ULTIMATIUM would have a new person assume the title of Flag Smasher but the mantle would be cermonial. I would have War Machine's old enemy The Advisor be the behind the scenes power of ULTIMATIUM.
Arilou
11-25-2007, 02:36 PM
AIM is perfect as-is: EVIL NERDS WILL ONE DAY RULE THE EARTH!
That said, I too would reorganize ULTIMATUM, turn it into a worldwide utopian/revolutionary movement, a kind of faceless menace, with fanatical agents seeking to affect the overthrow of all organized nations. Make them fanatical warriors but with a genuine utopian vision of peace and brotherhood for all of mankind. Have the Flag-Smasher become a kind of symbolic mantle that various ULTIMATUM members take up when needed.
Have them be active in war-torn areas, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, protecting the weak... And launching terrorist, or even military, campaigns against the symbols of organized statehood.
ULTIMATUM should be a real tangible ideological as well as material challenge to various heroes.
I voted for The Hellfire Club, because the last one was fake and I was looking forward to seeing them back.
This time (take notes marvel editorial!) I'd very much like to see them do more of the "Old-Boys Network" style evil, using connections rather then mutant powers to acchive there goals. Heck, I'd like to see a Hellfire club with NO MUTANTS in it! Would'nt that be somthing!
Read Classic X-Men #7. The Council of the Chosen was ruled by normal humans, although mutants too were part of the group such as the inclusion of Emma Frost, Sebastian Shaw, & Harry Leland.
The Hellfire Club became dominated by mutants, but many members did not have any powers such as Sunspot's father, Emmanuel DaCosta & the superhuman cyborg, Donald Pierce got his powers artificially through his bionic enhancements, his arms & legs.
Nyssane
11-25-2007, 02:54 PM
The Serpent Society doesn't need a complete makeover, they just need to be used. They were brilliant in Captain America #310-319 and I wish they had been used in other Marvel books like they were in that. I'd hate for them to come back and be completely altered from Gruenwald's original design for the group.
AIM bores me, but they're fun every once in a while. I think they're being used just fine.
The Brotherhood would be nice to see again, but they've gone through such crap lineups (like Exodus's group and Magneto's use of the kids in Morrisson's run), I don't know if they can be redeemed. Maybe if they toss the group to Mystique, with Avalanche, Mastermind, and a few others as members.
The Hand? No.
The Hellfire Club never really appealed to me other than the original grouping. I think they're beyond redemption, to be honest.
I'm not too familiar with the Maggia.
The Zodiac is a group that I've always loved, but the originals are long dead with the exception of Libra, and I think that really messed them up. Having new members each time is draining on trying to keep up with them all. The New Warriors ones were pretty neat design-wise, though.
The Masters of Evil would be great, but I can't think of many villains worthy to join it. I wonder if the Hood's army will be called the Masters of Evil.
Secret Empire isn't a bad idea.
I'm not too familiar with the Maggia.
MAGGIA is a comic book version of the mob who has superhuman agents.
Secret Empire isn't a bad idea.
The problem with Secret Empire is each incarnation is different with different goals, despite the same costume.
Alpha Male
11-25-2007, 03:05 PM
The last time I seen The Secret Empire was in the pages of The Punisher War Journal years ago.
Brickbatstone
11-25-2007, 03:22 PM
skrulletra??? wtf???? dont tell me elektra has been retconned as a skrull????????????????
sdman619
11-25-2007, 04:00 PM
I'd bring back the hand with a revived Gorgon as their lethal leader. They should also add a few more faces that stand out in that bunch of ninja. This is a group with some much more to offer in terms of story telling. Just don't let Bendis get his hands on them.
The Confessor
11-26-2007, 09:22 AM
skrulletra??? wtf???? dont tell me elektra has been retconned as a skrull????????????????
Are you serious? :eek: Where have you been lately?
Read all about it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektra_%28comics%29) (scroll down to section 1.7 New Avengers).
CJ Lentze
11-26-2007, 01:38 PM
The Hellfire Club's Inner Circle needs to have a new, preferably younger membership. Someone fresh to overthrow Shaw. And I can see them crossover to parts of the Marvel Universe that don't concern the X-Teams. Their style needn't change, though. The X-Men have been fighting villains who use straight-on brute force against them for too long now. They should have an enemy that gets under their skin again and covers themselves up using by using and abusing the very laws of the land, like the HC did in th times of 'Project Wideawake'.
The Hellfire Club's Inner Circle needs to have a new, preferably younger membership. Someone fresh to overthrow Shaw. And I can see them crossover to parts of the Marvel Universe that don't concern the X-Teams. Their style needn't change, though. The X-Men have been fighting villains who use straight-on brute force against them for too long now. They should have an enemy that gets under their skin again and covers themselves up using by using and abusing the very laws of the land, like the HC did in th times of 'Project Wideawake'.
Sebastian Shaw, Selene, & Emma Frost made perfectly good villains as the Hellfire Club's leaders. The rivalry between Selene & Shaw also made good storytelling. Then there was the rivalry between Selene & Emma Frost. My problem was there was nothing wrong with the Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club in the first place. Why fix it if it ain't broken?
CJ Lentze
11-26-2007, 02:47 PM
Sebastian Shaw, Selene, & Emma Frost made perfectly good villains as the Hellfire Club's leaders. The rivalry between Selene & Shaw also made good storytelling. Then there was the rivalry between Selene & Emma Frost. My problem was there was nothing wrong with the Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club in the first place. Why fix it if it ain't broken?
Because they're not getting any younger. And Selene wasn't originally in the Inner Circle, as you know. She was a new addition in '84. It's exactly BECAUSE of the intrigue within the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle itself that the balance of power and the faces of its membership should keep changing slowly but surely. New players and pawns are brought into play, and the old members are unable to hold onto their power forever. The classic line-up of the Inner Circle would only have lasted if there wasn't any intrigue at all. And that might have made the Club's concept boring and stale, like some other villain organisations. The rivalries between Shaw and Selene, Selene and Frost, Shaw and Pierce, et cetera, couldn't last forever. One comes out on top; the other will perish, or retreat for a while. Their internal relationships -hostile or apparently friendly- are ever-changing.
Because they're not getting any younger. And Selene wasn't originally in the Inner Circle, as you know. She was a new addition in '84. It's exactly BECAUSE of the intrigue within the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle itself that the balance of power and the faces of its membership should keep changing slowly but surely. New players and pawns are brought into play, and the old members are unable to hold onto their power forever. The classic line-up of the Inner Circle would only have lasted if there wasn't any intrigue at all. And that might have made the Club's concept boring and stale, like some other villain organisations. The rivalries between Shaw and Selene, Selene and Frost, Shaw and Pierce, et cetera, couldn't last forever. One comes out on top; the other will perish, or retreat for a while. Their internal relationships -hostile or apparently friendly- are ever-changing.
The original Hellfire Club has had a better lasting impact than the revolving door of numerous Hellfire Clubs since.
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