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Knightmare10880

11-21-2007, 08:07 AM

Hey, I keep looking for a really good Wonder Woman site, but all I keep find are really excellent artsites, but too many that contain any info.

How old is Wonder Woman(or how old is she supposed to be physically)?

How long has she been in "Man's World"; and what are her hobbies when she has down time?

And finally this might sound weird, but how does her golden belt fasten? Is it from the front, the back or the side? I was having a discussion with some friends about different superheroes and their costumes and this question came up.

DDM

11-21-2007, 08:12 AM

How old is Wonder Woman(or how old is she supposed to be physically)?

Post-Crisis, Wonder Woman is about 18 years old physically, although she is thousands of years old being an immortal from Paradise Island.

How long has she been in "Man's World"; and what are her hobbies when she has down time?

A number of years now, but unknown in the exact amount.

Knight Lancer

11-21-2007, 08:40 AM

18?

Sure you don't mean 28?

AllisterH

11-21-2007, 09:16 AM

Post-Crisis, assuming the Perez origin is still true, then Diana is only in her late 20s - early 30s both physically and chronologically. The JSA are certainly older than her for one.

Again, with the floating timeline comicbook companies have, there isn't a fixed timeframe, but the assumption has always been the nebulous 10-12 years since Superman made his debut.

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 09:58 AM

1) Wonder Woman has the appearance of a mid-20s woman. Chronologicaly, she´s at best a few decades old since Diana Trevor (Steve´s mom) crashed in the island in a 50s-60s looking plane.

2) WW has been in Man´s World a few years now, a great part of which included her attempt to function in our socieety to the point of even working as a waitress in a fast food joint. So, long enough to learn how to use a turnstile or know what a credit card is.

3) WW´s girldle has no apparenly buckle and is alledgedly made of a tiny ( microscopic?) chain mail. So, my take is that it doesn´t fasten, more like it stretches

Chiroptera

11-21-2007, 12:15 PM

Eliseu just hit it on the head pretty much.

I would add that, as far as teh comics show, Diana rarely ever actually puts on her costume anymore. She's returned to the classic "Twirl with sparkles" style of changing outfits, essentially it seems like her uniform can be 'summoned' onto her body at will.

Knightmare10880

11-21-2007, 12:50 PM

Interesting I thank all of you guys, who have responded. I find that interesting about the current version of her belt/girdle. What about earlier & alternate version of Diana, I believe their was an episode or two of the Linda Carter series in which she was forced to remove it and the latching was at the back. But what about the Golden Age version as well as the Justice League version, I know that in last season they showed Diana doing the spin thing like she does in the current comics, but what about.

Also what exactly was the relationship between the belt/girdle and her powers in the earlier incarnations? Some people say there was none, some that it gave her all her powers, and other say that just made her stronger than she already was.

You say that belt/girdle stretches, does that mean that if she were to gain weight that it fit on her no matter how big she got?

I know I've got alot questions but like I said I've been trying to find a good site that will answer my questions, but I just keep finding artsites. I want to thank you guys again for all your help.

DDM

11-21-2007, 01:06 PM

18?

Sure you don't mean 28?

Post-Crisis, Princess Diana is chronologically younger than Superman. Superman is about 25 years old; whereas, Diana is about 18 or 19 years old.

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 02:01 PM

CaptainCanada

11-21-2007, 02:07 PM

mosdef

11-21-2007, 02:19 PM

Post-B]Crisis[/B], Princess Diana is chronologically younger than Superman. Superman is about 25 years old; whereas, Diana is about 18 or 19 years old.

Isn't Superman supposed to be in his 30's?

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 02:26 PM

A lot of that stuff only came about post-Crisis, after the TV was produced (flight, the Amazons being multi-racial, some of her other powers).

Wonder Woman has flown since at least the 50s-60s.
Back in the day, they called it "ride the wind currents" but it was flight nonetheless.

DDM

11-21-2007, 03:15 PM

Wonder Woman has flown since at least the 50s-60s.
Back in the day, they called it "ride the wind currents" but it was flight nonetheless.

Regardless, the Wonder Woman of the 50's & 60's does not exist in the current DC Universe. For all intents & purposes both the Earth-2 Golden Age Wonder Woman & the Earth-1 Wonder Woman ceased as of Crisis on Infinite Earths #11-12. A new Wonder Woman was created from it all. This new Wonder Woman is the current one...

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 03:32 PM

Regardless, the Wonder Woman of the 50's & 60's does not exist in the current DC Universe. For all intents & purposes both the Earth-2 Golden Age Wonder Woman & the Earth-1 Wonder Woman ceased as of Crisis on Infinite Earths #11-12. A new Wonder Woman was created from it all. This new Wonder Woman is the current one...

Well, we WERE talking about the Linda Carter show.

Knight Lancer

11-21-2007, 03:34 PM

Post-Crisis, Princess Diana is chronologically younger than Superman. Superman is about 25 years old; whereas, Diana is about 18 or 19 years old.

There's no way they're that young.

Sounds more like Teen Titans territory at that kinda age.

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 03:46 PM

There's no way they're that young.

Sounds more like Teen Titans territory at that kinda age.

I agree.
i believe Batman is the oldest in the trinity (mid to late 30s), with Superman in his early 30s and WW in the mid-to-late 20s.

If Perez continuity hasn´t been retconned, Diana Trevor crashed in Themyscira in the 50-60s and Diana was created shortly after, which makes her older than both Batman and Superman even if she has the appearance of a woman eternaaly in her 20s.

Shellhead

11-21-2007, 03:46 PM

There's no way they're that young.

Sounds more like Teen Titans territory at that kinda age.

This is why Didio wanted to kill Nightwing. The older he gets, the more problems that creates for DC's older heroes, especially Batman. He probably wanted Donna Troy dead, too, because somehow she is older than Wonder Woman. Hell, if Wonder Woman is really 18, then even Wonder Girl is practically the same age as Wonder Woman.

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 03:48 PM

Not to mention that if Diana was 18, then she would have arrived in Patriarch World and battled Ares at what age, 14?
French kissed by Superman at 15?
Worked at a fast food joint at 16?

Chiroptera

11-21-2007, 04:58 PM

Not to mention that if Diana was 18, then she would have arrived in Patriarch World and battled Ares at what age, 14?
French kissed by Superman at 15?
Worked at a fast food joint at 16?

Eli... Why must you do this?! Why must you always plant such disturbing images in my head!? GAAAH! Someone get me some bleach! :eek:

bfrank

11-21-2007, 05:34 PM

Post-Crisis, Princess Diana is chronologically younger than Superman. Superman is about 25 years old; whereas, Diana is about 18 or 19 years old.

Diana came to the Man's world at around 18, yes....but that was at least 10 years ago DCU time.....

You're wrong, accept it, move on......

Eliseu Gouveia

11-21-2007, 05:35 PM

LOL
Sorry, Chiroptera, guess that was perhaps a bit too vivid.

I do think it would be totaly cute/sweet to see a 15 years old Wonder Woman addressing the U.N. assembly. :p

carabas

11-22-2007, 05:06 AM

Not to mention that if Diana was 18, then she would have arrived in Patriarch World and battled Ares at what age, 14?
French kissed by Superman at 15?
Worked at a fast food joint at 16?
Try 8-10. With Superman coming to Metropolis and working asa reporter at the Planet aged 15-17.

They're supposed to have been doing this for 8-10 years at least.

carabas

11-22-2007, 05:09 AM

Diana came to the Man's world at around 18, yes....but that was at least 10 years ago DCU time.....

You're wrong, accept it, move on......The error lies in grammatical sloppines. DDM wrote that Diana is about 18 now, while he presumably meant that she was that age when she left Themyscira.

Knightmare10880

11-26-2007, 06:14 AM

I just got back in from going to my mother's for Thanksgiving. I want to thank everyone that posted and helped with my understanding of Wonder Woman.

I believe that 28yrs is probably her real age at least the way that characters age.

I am still curious about the belt/girdle, does it have a breaking point?

Knightmare10880

11-26-2007, 06:28 AM

As much as I absolutely loved the TV show, there were a few things wrong in it.

- the aged Queen Hipolyta
- WW couldn´t fly
- no communion with the beasts
- no kinship with fire
- no enhanced senses
- her strenght came from her girdle (she was just a regular woman without it), which meant that people coud just walk to her and yank it off (velcro was apparently a Themyscirian invention) every other episode
- no black/asian amazons
etc.

I´m not sure where the status of the girdle stands presently, but I believe there was one version which was forged from Gaea´s girdle, meaning that it enhances someone´s strenght tenfold. It´s not the one WW presently wears but she did wear it at least once when she needed the power boost. Last time I heard about it, I think it was being worn by the Sandsmark kid.

In the cartoon, it was just a belt. Never seen her take it off, though...

I am ambivalent toward the "Wonder Spin". At first glance, I find it silly but I guess it can be excused with "magic".

There was a scene in the JLU episode "Hawk & Dove" were Diana goes to see Hephaestus and asks him about the secret to the weakness of the armour that Ares has unleashed on the people of Kaznia(sp) and Hephaetus taps her belt asking her if he wants him to reveal her weakness to her enimes as well.

Also there was a scene in the episode "the Balance" in which Hippolyta press the red star on Diana's tira to activate her "full power" suggesting that while Diana has some powers outside of the costume, when she is wearing it, it amplfies(sp) her powers.

CaptainCanada

11-26-2007, 06:35 AM

Also there was a scene in the episode "the Balance" in which Hippolyta press the red star on Diana's tira to activate her "full power" suggesting that while Diana has some powers outside of the costume, when she is wearing it, it amplfies(sp) her powers.
"Full power" appears to basically mean the lasso, since she doesn't demonstrate any other new/enhanced abilities.

Kid Kyoto

11-26-2007, 07:34 AM

Not to mention that if Diana was 18, then she would have arrived in Patriarch World and battled Ares at what age, 14?
French kissed by Superman at 15?
Worked at a fast food joint at 16?

He was asking about her physical age. I would say 25 or 26, with a chronological age that's much longer.

Eliseu Gouveia

11-26-2007, 07:57 AM

He was asking about her physical age. I would say 25 or 26, with a chronological age that's much longer.

That sounds about right.

I´d say modern WW is about 40-70 years old with a 25-28 years old-looking body.

Pre-crisis WW, OTOH, could be centuries or milennia-years old (almost as old as her amazon sisters).

Knightmare10880

11-26-2007, 12:14 PM

That sounds about right.

I´d say modern WW is about 40-70 years old with a 25-28 years old-looking body.

Pre-crisis WW, OTOH, could be centuries or milennia-years old (almost as old as her amazon sisters).

That sounds about right to me as well. It's odd for a character to have been around as long as Wonder Woman has she's still so ill-defiened. I mean everyone knows Spider-Man, Batman, Superman and Wolverine backwards and forwards, but when you ask them about Wonder Woman they are mostly blank.

DayWing

11-26-2007, 01:32 PM

The whole generational age gap is too confusing and just gets in the way of my enjoying the books. So I just sort of block away the changes over the year and keep a mental image of the age group as such -

Superman, Batman, WW, Aquaman- mid-30s

John Stewart, Guy Gardner, Animal Man - early 30s

Tempest, Booster Gold - Late 20s

Flash, Nightwing, Donna, Kyle, Roy, Jesse Chambers, Victor, Starfire - mid 20s

Robin, Cassie, Kara - 18 -19

And something like that for the rest

tangentman

11-27-2007, 01:58 AM

- no communion with the beasts

If it makes you feel better, the Lynda Carter version actually demonstrated telepathy with animals on several occasions. Wonder Woman made horses buck to throw the crooks riding them; she communicated with Tina's pet dog in "The Girl From Ilandia", mentally giving instructions to watch over the magical girl; in an "Ocean's 11" homage episode, she gave commands to two fierce watchdogs; in one of the final episodes, she spoke to a lion.

I´m not sure where the status of the girdle stands presently, but I believe there was one version which was forged from Gaea´s girdle, meaning that it enhances someone´s strenght tenfold. It´s not the one WW presently wears but she did wear it at least once when she needed the power boost. Last time I heard about it, I think it was being worn by the Sandsmark kid.

In the cartoon, it was just a belt. Never seen her take it off, though...

I am ambivalent toward the "Wonder Spin". At first glance, I find it silly but I guess it can be excused with "magic".

Currently, the belt is part of her armor. There are TWO Gaea's girdles, each formerly in the possessions of Hippolyta and Antiope. Hippolyta's copy was made into the Magic Lasso. The belt Diana wears is just part of the copy. The only time it came into the story was when Hermes temporarily loaned his Caduceus to Diana and she wore it on the costume belt.

Artemis and Cassie used the Gauntlet of Atlas to boost their strength, not the Girdle. :)

botch

11-27-2007, 08:30 AM

Post-Crisis, Princess Diana is chronologically younger than Superman. Superman is about 25 years old; whereas, Diana is about 18 or 19 years old.

no. Superman started when he was around 29. most stories have that endless age of 32. but now he is in his late 30's. like 36.

DDM

11-27-2007, 10:01 AM

no. Superman started when he was around 29. most stories have that endless age of 32. but now he is in his late 30's. like 36.

At this rate is DC planning to turn Kal-El into Kal-L, the Earth-2 Superman? Superman should be in his 20's...

Spiffy

11-27-2007, 11:03 PM

The error lies in grammatical sloppines. DDM wrote that Diana is about 18 now, while he presumably meant that she was that age when she left Themyscira.
Also, people don't seem to be absorbing the fact that Diana probably doesn't age. If she looked 18 a decade ago, she likely STILL looks 18. That doesn't mean she IS 18.

That said, it really is easiest to think of her as looking and acting like a woman in her late 20s, mind you with the wisdom of someone who's probably been alive a LOT longer than that. I mean her features just look mature (and I don't mean that in a negative way). Donna could look and act almost the same if they got out of the trap that Donna has seemed to age visibly on panel and Diana hasn't.

Also, DC does this lame thing where sidekicks always have to be shorter than their accompanying heroes. Really, that only makes sense in terms of a visual image, not biologically. Smaller = Younger at DC, almost always. That's also why its hard to imagine Diana as LOOKING 18, because she's always been shown as so much larger than both life AND her sidekicks.

Knightmare10880

11-28-2007, 12:47 PM

Also, people don't seem to be absorbing the fact that Diana probably doesn't age. If she looked 18 a decade ago, she likely STILL looks 18. That doesn't mean she IS 18.

That said, it really is easiest to think of her as looking and acting like a woman in her late 20s, mind you with the wisdom of someone who's probably been alive a LOT longer than that. I mean her features just look mature (and I don't mean that in a negative way). Donna could look and act almost the same if they got out of the trap that Donna has seemed to age visibly on panel and Diana hasn't.

Also, DC does this lame thing where sidekicks always have to be shorter than their accompanying heroes. Really, that only makes sense in terms of a visual image, not biologically. Smaller = Younger at DC, almost always. That's also why its hard to imagine Diana as LOOKING 18, because she's always been shown as so much larger than both life AND her sidekicks.

You know that's one of the many reason why I love Donna Troy, she's one of the few characters that has actually aged some what over the years.

I love Donna to me, she is always portrayed as the perfect sister. Always their when you need her, and even when she's ticked off with you she still tries to help you and is supourtive.

Do Donna and Diana have the same powers?

And is it just me or does Donna have a better "grip" on humanity than Diana?

Eliseu Gouveia

11-28-2007, 01:18 PM

And is it just me or does Donna have a better "grip" on humanity than Diana?

I think it´s more of a case of writers having a better grip on Donna than Diana.

WW is such an icon, mystical, magical, majestical figure that they have problems relating and thus telling stories about her.
Donna doesn´t suffer from this "baggage", so they´re more confortable around her to write her as a person instead of an iconic cypher.

Knightmare10880

11-28-2007, 06:40 PM

I've got a question, I was surfing the web and I saw a picture about a story in which Wonder Woman gets turned into a gorilla-woman. The story itself was kinda kooky; but it got me to wondering "Are their any orther stories in which Wonder Woman is transformed?" I know there's probably a few fromback in the Silver Age does anyone know how I can find them?

BoosterBronze

11-30-2007, 12:09 PM

CarolStrick

12-04-2007, 07:53 AM

DC currently has no continuity. Within her own book, Wonder Woman post-ICk has not had her continuity explored. We do know that now she is (again) a founding member of the Justice League and that the time she's put in in the Outer World is fairly equal to the amount of time Superman and Batman have been operating, which is 10-12 years.

She was somewhere around 18-20 when she started in the Perez version. this means that she's hovering around the 30 mark these days. Since she's been completely reformed from a death (or similar) state many times, there's no telling how old she is physically, except that she's (1) at her prime (mid-twenties?) and (2) older than her twin sister (maybe late twenties?). Let's just say that she's hovering in front of the 30 mark and not displaying any signs of aging, thank goodness, as some runs say she's immortal and others say she's not. I think she is.

Hobbies? That depends on what continuity you're invoking. Perez Wondie liked to hunt (and eat her kill). Rucka Wondie was a vegetarian. Simone Wondie seems so far to like to study human culture. Jimenez Wondie liked to dress up.

Wondie's armored belt has not been shown to have any way out of it. It's her lasso that stretches, not her belt. (Though if her belt did stretch, that would be the way to take it off.) The belt has nothing to do with her powers. Disregard the TV series about any kind of comics continuity questions.

Wondie has been turned into a god (Byrne run), a tree (first JLA story) (it was a tree, wasn't it?), had herself de-aged a few dozen times, been turned into clay and/or stone, turned fat, turned tall and extremely skinny, turned into a mortal (ah! the mod Di Prince era!), turned into a twin TWICE (Nubia as well as Donna), turned into a mother on numerous imaginary/other-dimensional occasions, turned into an old hag (I think; JLA story), turned into Witchblade, turned into a corpse several times... It's been a busy career.

www.carolastrickland.com/wwindex.html

Eliseu Gouveia

12-04-2007, 08:59 AM

Hobbies? That depends on what continuity you're invoking. Perez Wondie liked to hunt (and eat her kill). Rucka Wondie was a vegetarian. Simone Wondie seems so far to like to study human culture. Jimenez Wondie liked to dress up.

Oh, dear God, no...
Nothing against vegetarians, but what´s wrong with Diana being a meat-eater?
If it´s the killing part, well, we know Diana has no prob with killing sentient beings, why would she have trouble killing irrational ones?
Also, Artemis herself, goddess of the hunt was one of her "guiding lights".

Wondie's armored belt has not been shown to have any way out of it. It's her lasso that stretches, not her belt. (Though if her belt did stretch, that would be the way to take it off.) The belt has nothing to do with her powers. Disregard the TV series about any kind of comics continuity questions.

I think I´ve chosen the word poorly.
I meant to say that the belt is flexible, meaning that it can adjust to Wonder Woman´s body almost like cloth or other fibers (otherwise WW wouldn´t be able to bend without being impaled by the pointy tip)), meaning that she can put it on by sliding it upwards feet -> legs-> thighs -> hips like you would a mini skirt., or downward, head -> shoulders -> chest -> hips like you would a shirt

Chiroptera

12-04-2007, 09:05 AM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates the idea of Diana being a vegetarian. The idea of her being opposed to the whole circle of life notion, when Artemis is one of her patron goddesses, is just terrible to me.

carabas

12-04-2007, 09:25 AM

Oh, dear God, no...
Nothing against vegetarians, but what´s wrong with Diana being a meat-eater?
If it´s the killing part, well, we know Diana has no prob with killing sentient beings, why would she have trouble killing irrational ones?
Also, Artemis herself, goddess of the hunt was one of her "guiding lights".It was not so much the eating of meat as the inhumane way the modern meat industry goes about putting together a burger that she had a problem with.

Darth Joker

12-04-2007, 09:59 AM

One intriguing possibility (in my view, anyway) on Diana's age...

Perhaps she ages quickly to a mid-twenties 'in her prime' physical form, but has only been alive, say, for a decade to a decade-and-a-half. In other words, she's mentally a young teen/pre-teen. Then she remains in that 'in her prime' physical form forever more.

I remember reading this old giant-sized Superman special from the 80s that begins with Superman laying quite the kiss on Wonder Woman. His eyes were closed, but her's were open - open in shock, really - the entire time. It was clear that the kiss really took her breath away, and there was something vaguely child-like about her dialogue in the issue (it wasn't immature, but it was immaculately clean and deferential and polite and straightforward - hardly amazonian). Superman's dialogue was clean and polite as well, but it had more of an adult tone to it for me.

Wonder Woman's reaction to the kiss makes me think a bit of how a young teenage girl might handle her first kiss. I think that Superman himself took notice of how shocked Wonder Woman was by it, and was surprised that he had shocked her like that.

Lord Trigon

12-04-2007, 02:02 PM

I hate to do this but I came out with the every 16 of our years is one DC year

I think that's how I came up with Bruces age....still might now work quite right.

CarolStrick

12-05-2007, 01:50 PM

Nice try, but wouldn't 52 and OYL, at the very least, throw that off?

How do characters like Dick Grayson fit into that formula? Not well, I bet.

Eliseu Gouveia

12-05-2007, 04:06 PM

I think I´ve chosen the word poorly.
I meant to say that the belt is flexible, meaning that it can adjust to Wonder Woman´s body almost like cloth or other fibers (otherwise WW wouldn´t be able to bend without being impaled by the pointy tip)), meaning that she can put it on by sliding it upwards feet -> legs-> thighs -> hips like you would a mini skirt., or downward, head -> shoulders -> chest -> hips like you would a shirt

on second thought, I take it back. There´s no way you could put that belt on like you would a skirt unless it stretches, given Diana´s generous figure.

One intriguing possibility (in my view, anyway) on Diana's age...

Perhaps she ages quickly to a mid-twenties 'in her prime' physical form, but has only been alive, say, for a decade to a decade-and-a-half. In other words, she's mentally a young teen/pre-teen. Then she remains in that 'in her prime' physical form forever more.

I remember reading this old giant-sized Superman special from the 80s that begins with Superman laying quite the kiss on Wonder Woman. His eyes were closed, but her's were open - open in shock, really - the entire time. It was clear that the kiss really took her breath away, and there was something vaguely child-like about her dialogue in the issue (it wasn't immature, but it was immaculately clean and deferential and polite and straightforward - hardly amazonian). Superman's dialogue was clean and polite as well, but it had more of an adult tone to it for me.

Wonder Woman's reaction to the kiss makes me think a bit of how a young teenage girl might handle her first kiss. I think that Superman himself took notice of how shocked Wonder Woman was by it, and was surprised that he had shocked her like that.

Way I see it, she was just caught off-guard.
This was 18 years old brand-new-to-the-patriarch-world Diana, who was still learning how to deal with men.
I didn´t catch the "immature" vibe in her dialogue. Maybe it was the portuguese translation or something but she actualy sounded more mature than him.
Her reaction to his uninvited kiss (instead of punching him in the teeth like she should) was a polite "This is our first date. We are trying to find an understanding, not a consumation".

Chiroptera

12-05-2007, 05:32 PM

Gotta agree with Eli there.
In fact, Wonder Woman's always seemed like the most rational, intelligent and mature member of DC's trinity to me. I suppose that's why it's hard for me to picture her being any younger than her mid-twenties.
Personally it's always seemed to me like, even though she may not have come to Man's World decades ago seemed like she was certainly born several decades ago. Looks wise, as far as art goes, the Dodson's work for her modern incarnation makes her look to be around 28-30 by my guess.

This seems like just where her aging his stopped/slowed. As far as her actual age I'm inclined to, and will believe until it's specifically stated in continuity, that she's the oldest of the trinity by a number of years.