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Gottaluvit
11-19-2007, 08:03 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

Apparently its all been given the green light, and Jason Todd is the next Batman.

drwho
11-19-2007, 08:05 PM
No thanks Dc. You might as well bring back Azrael.

J. Robb
11-19-2007, 08:06 PM
Now that it's out of the bag, they'll switch it to Hank Hall.

The Ray
11-19-2007, 08:07 PM
Now that it's out of the bag, they'll switch it to Hank Hall.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

shaxper
11-19-2007, 08:18 PM
Who are they kidding?

Violently Apathetic
11-19-2007, 08:26 PM
Oh, this should be fun.

Code-Name V
11-19-2007, 08:28 PM
How unbelievably stupid. Just what is Didio smoking? Is this why they brung him back?

Batman is going to be just like Spider-Man was during the clone saga - messy, convoluted, and just plain awful.

drwho
11-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Ive got a good idea.

They should turn Wonder Woman into the new Batman and make Bruce into Wonder Man :p

Accroître
11-19-2007, 08:34 PM
Are they kidding? Why not kill a franchise when most people are upset that they brought back Jason in the first place. One of the very few deaths that stuck in the comic world, is now reinforced as being a bad move on DC's part.

This must be a joke or a red herring!

Violently Apathetic
11-19-2007, 08:35 PM
Batman is going to be just like Spider-Man was during the clone saga - messy, convoluted, and just plain awful.

I doubt they'd let it get that far. I'm guessing (assuming there's any truth to this) it's going to be a temporary situation preceding a reboot, a flirtation with something different. In any case, by the end of the 'long form' story I imagine status quo will be restored. I think there's a long term story/plan, not just a stupid gimmick or concept like 'Spider-Man ISN'T the Spider-man you knew.'

Be it bait and switch, total red herring, giant clusterfu*k, whatever, I'll laugh.

colossus34
11-19-2007, 08:39 PM
Jason Snott as Batman! hahahaha! :D Wow Dido and company really will do anything to get people to fall in love with their failed lovechild!! First they stick him in NWs suit, then give him Grayson's Kingdom Come identity Red Robin, then move him into prominent placement in Countdown etc etc like somehow letting him leech off other characters long earned legacies will give Todd some much needed character merits of his own. pft Give up Dido!!

Note to DC: Todd was a failed Robin, a failed NW, a failed evil twin clone of Dick Grayson, and will fail as Batman's one week replacement! Because thats what he does. He's a failed character.

Infra-Man
11-19-2007, 08:44 PM
This must be a joke or a red herring!

Ditto on this. I'd like to believe that no one at DC is stupid enough to hand Jason Todd the cape and cowl.

Samuraixsithlord
11-19-2007, 08:47 PM
Didn't ol whats his face at DC say Batmans "death" wasn't going to happen. I forgot who said it

Captain Jim
11-19-2007, 09:02 PM
This is such an incredibly bad idea, I just can't believe it's for real. First they want to kill Grayson and make Todd Nightwing, and fans rebeled. So now they decide to kill Wayne and make Todd Batman? Like that's going to go over better? This is simply beyond belief.

blckng
11-19-2007, 09:07 PM
Wasn't the "Bruce Wayne in Arkham Asylum OYL" rumor a greenlight too? I'm calling bullshit on this. Not because I actually believe DC wouldn't go through with it (the amount of love Jason Todd gets from Didio and Winick is astounding, and my faith in DC's editorial department has never been lower) but because my fragile little fanboyish mind refuses to accept it as an option.

To quote Helena Wayne, "There [is] only one man who could be the Batman". Still, if they're dead set on giving the cape and cowl to someone else, it's Dick Grayson or bust.

Violently Apathetic
11-19-2007, 09:15 PM
To quote Helena Wayne, "There [is] only one man who could be the Batman". Still, if they're dead set on giving the cape and cowl to someone else, it's Dick Grayson or bust.

I remember Rucka once said that Tim Drake is the real shoe in to replace Batman, and I tend to agree. Dick just doesn't seem like 'The Batman' to me (Jason even less so, and I say that as one of those near fictitious Jason Todd fans) and taking up the mantle would seem almost a step back. Hypothetically speaking: No to Dick, no to Jason, yes to Tim, a 'possibly' to Damian and a 'I'd laugh hysterically' to a resurrected Stephanie taking the mantle and dropping the gender qualifier.

EmeraldOutlaw
11-19-2007, 10:18 PM
Worst...idea...ever. The justified uproar/backlash/severe beating DC would recieve for pulling this idea would be mind blowing. Besides, I have a hard time believing, even with the Didio/Winnick Todd love-in, that this is actually going to happen.

Jack Zodiac
11-19-2007, 10:30 PM
Holy !@#$ing !@#$... D Didi brainwashed Grant Morrison. That's the only explanation.

Fatguy
11-20-2007, 12:40 AM
I cant possibly see this coming to fruition. There's no way.

I dont think its TOO terrible an idea to off Bruce Wayne, as much as I love him, I could see some fun in replacing him with Dick, or even Tim.

But Jason? There's no way they would do that, even for DC that makes no sense.

GRANT!
11-20-2007, 01:37 AM
If Morrison is doing it I'll give it a chance.

Dr. Chaos
11-20-2007, 02:24 AM
Jason Todd is the next Batman
Right, leave it to DC to choose everybody's negative minus last choice for a replacement.

If it's true, I'm all for a new identity but the walking abortion that is the ressurected Jason Todd?

Good luck with that.

Sean Whitmore
11-20-2007, 02:46 AM
I can now tell you that the new Batman will be designed by Alex Ross and will see Jason Todd under the cowl.

This is a joke, right?

No, I'm not just saying I don't like the idea, I'm LITERALLY asking. This is a somebody satirizing the Captain America thing, isn't it? Doesn't it kinda have to be? This is just a degree away from World War Lobo.

The real question here is whose joke is it...Rich's, DC Promotional's, or Morrison's.


SEAN

DonC
11-20-2007, 04:16 AM
This is a joke, right?

No, I'm not just saying I don't like the idea, I'm LITERALLY asking. This is a somebody satirizing the Captain America thing, isn't it? Doesn't it kinda have to be? This is just a degree away from World War Lobo.

The real question here is whose joke is it...Rich's, DC Promotional's, or Morrison's.


SEAN


My money would be on DC or Grant. Rich really does seem to look at himself as a journalist and something like this is against journalistic rules.

Your Imaginary Pal
11-20-2007, 04:33 AM
I thought they were making him the Red Robin, which I could have lived with.
How about they name him Snow Bat, since he appears to be a Winter Soldier analog any way.

And why do we need a new Batman, did Bruce die?

Imitation, highest form of flattery.

dancj
11-20-2007, 05:41 AM
My money would be on DC or Grant. Rich really does seem to look at himself as a journalist and something like this is against journalistic rules.

Rich grabs every opportunity to stress that LITG isn't journalism

cactusmaac
11-20-2007, 05:46 AM
Morrison's Batman run has been pretty lacklustre apart from the Club Of Heroes two-parter. And this is from somebody who thinks his JLA and Doom Patrol runs are genuine classics.

I don't believe bringing Jason in and making Bats a New God are sound ingredients for a compelling Batman story. Nobody likes Jason Todd, in wrestling parlance he has X-Pac heat. Think I'll pass. Wouldn't be surprised if they brought back Jean-Paul Valley and had him get his ass kicked in order to "prove" the new Batman's credentials.

Stage3 Evolution
11-20-2007, 06:00 AM
My first post here after being absent from comic book collecting for like 8 years and even i hate the idea. Just from what I've read of the past year and such even i will hate Jason Todd as Batman he doesn't fit not even 1%

Violently Apathetic
11-20-2007, 06:24 AM
I don't believe bringing Jason in and making Bats a New God are sound ingredients for a compelling Batman story. Nobody likes Jason Todd, in wrestling parlance he has X-Pac heat.

Hyperbole or not, I love when people tell me (and people like me) that my existence is in question.

Not that I don't agree that taking such a polarizing character and using him in such a potentially controversial storyline is anything but a BAD idea, but man... :rolleyes:

Captain Jim
11-20-2007, 07:02 AM
My first post here after being absent from comic book collecting for like 8 years and even i hate the idea. Just from what I've read of the past year and such even i will hate Jason Todd as Batman he doesn't fit not even 1%

Welcome to CBR, Stage3. :)

CYOTI
11-20-2007, 07:15 AM
I'm curious, how desperate exactly are some of you that you actually bought this rumor hook, line and sinker?

cactusmaac
11-20-2007, 07:43 AM
I'm curious, how desperate exactly are some of you that you actually bought this rumor hook, line and sinker?

I think we're all aware this was presented in a rumour column. LITG is hardly 100% accurate but gets it right enough of the time for it not to be dismissed automatically.

CMBMOOL
11-20-2007, 08:00 AM
Well this was the same rumor colum which guess the final battle of World War Hulk and was correct. :D

Also I guess Earth-15 wasn't enough for DC to have Jason as Batman, so maybe it in that Earth's past. :)

matthewaos
11-20-2007, 08:05 AM
This is a joke, right?

No, I'm not just saying I don't like the idea, I'm LITERALLY asking. This is a somebody satirizing the Captain America thing, isn't it? Doesn't it kinda have to be? This is just a degree away from World War Lobo.

The real question here is whose joke is it...Rich's, DC Promotional's, or Morrison's.


SEAN

World War Lobo?? WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's funny that they want to do Jason Todd Batman, wheras Marvel has made WS a lovable character, and I think that in a few years, if they haven't already bring Steve back, no one will want him (I mean Steve). I usually am in a love/hate relationship with Morisson's stories. I think he tries to go with a bang, and acts very... strange, to say the list, when it comes to his final chapters. Look at New X-Men and the Invisibles. He fucks up anything he can sometimes in the end, at least imo. Either way, letting Morisson handle something as important as a Crisis is as fearsome, as making JMS EIC.

TotalWorldDomination
11-20-2007, 08:45 AM
Jason Todd?! This HAS to be wrong. Dick, Tim, and even Jean Paul Valley have dibs on the cape and cowl WAY before Jason Todd. A Murderous Batman? Someone is feeding rich bad info on this one, and I tend to give him the benifit of the doubt. He's usualy pretty good.

OverMaster
11-20-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm curious, how desperate exactly are some of you that you actually bought this rumor hook, line and sinker?

After all the hideous things DC has done of late? Yeah, we're justified on being paranoid.

artist2b
11-20-2007, 10:35 AM
This whole concept better be a joke or I'm probably going to stop reading any of the Batman titles. Bruce Wayne IS and should ALWAYS be Batman. If they actually do this they're probably going to have to figure out a way to bring back Bruce Wayne and have him become Batman again because people will be mad about this whole thing and there might be a drop in readership.

HotRod_Tim
11-20-2007, 10:56 AM
I still doubt the legitamacy of this story. DC killing off Bruce Wayne, who has shown to be their most popular (if not second), would be a bad idea, then having Jason Todd replace him as Batman would be the next worst mistake. I seriously doubt Bruce Wayne's time is coming to an end any time soon.

FCEEVIPER
11-20-2007, 11:31 AM
I still doubt the legitamacy of this story. DC killing off Bruce Wayne, who has shown to be their most popular (if not second), would be a bad idea, then having Jason Todd replace him as Batman would be the next worst mistake. I seriously doubt Bruce Wayne's time is coming to an end any time soon.
I hope so.

Choppa
11-20-2007, 11:37 AM
You guys are really overreacting. Even if it is true, what's the big deal? Given all the stupid sh!t that has happened in the last few years, this doesn't seem that much worse.

Besides, you've got to be kidding yourself if you think that it's going to be permanent. If it was then I would probably be upset, but knowing that it's not I'm just going to enjoy the ride. At least it will be interesting, and I'm betting a lot more interesting than most of the recent stories in the book.

dragonbat
11-20-2007, 12:00 PM
Didn't ol whats his face at DC say Batmans "death" wasn't going to happen. I forgot who said it

He said Bruce wasn't going to become a New God.

Red Lotus
11-20-2007, 01:16 PM
I would say this would make me stop getting Batman books, but I haven't bought a Batman book in 4 years.

Oh well I guess I will read my one DC book a month(Nightwing) that I do get and stay away from this.

matt_hatyber
11-20-2007, 01:54 PM
first dc said they were bringing back barry allen. but then they changed there mind. NOw they say there killing off batman. there jsut going to change thte mind again.

Mercurialblonde
11-20-2007, 02:15 PM
Batman is bigger than Bruce Wayne.

See also: Cartoon series: Batman Beyond.

The Batman comic hasn't been about Bruce Wayne for any period of time in my lifetime I don't think. When is the last time he wasn't wearing the costume in his own comics? And when he is Bruce Wayne, he's pretending to be Bruce Wayne. Batman is the character, Bruce Wayne isn't. Anyone can wear the mask. No one really has any tangible connection to the tragedy of Wayne's parents by this point in the character's history.

Killing off Bruce Wayne and continuing the character is the closest thing to a no-brainer out there. And anyone that would stop reading the book on that basis hasn't read Batman 666 which was better than most Bruce Wayne Batman stories, and it starred Damian Wayne.

JMichaelS
11-20-2007, 02:26 PM
If Jason Todd becomes Batman, wait six months until the Joker murders him and Bruce Comes back. As for Damian, he'll eventually be as interesting as the Spider-baby was. Chances are he'll die in a crossover as well. They're always a good excuse to shed dead weight.

Killing off Bruce is an excuse for not being able to come up with new stories. If they kill off Bruce we get to enjoy years of "His first battle with ____!" "His first time with the Justice League" "His first time talking to the commissioner!" "His first meeting with Catwoman""His first meeting with Superman" Does anyone really want to be subjected to this? Retread plotlines that have been done over and over already with other so-called legacy characters. Done with Blue Beetle, done with green arrow, done with green lantern, done with the Flash, done with Dr.Fate and once by AzBats already. I loath the cop-out New Kid On The Block plot. I'd much rather read about a character who's in his game and able to overcome evil in creative new ways. Not constant dialogue like "Well that was the old Batman! I'm a whole new ballgame!" or some trite gibberish.

If you can't write great stories using Batman, you shouldn't be writing Batman. Killing off the character. Putting someone else in the longjohns, isn't Batman. It's some other character. Go write "Jason Todd: Cheeseball" or something. The fact is there is nothing new and exciting you can't do with Bruce that you could with Todd, Drake or Grayson. Bringing in the younger guys only allow you to rip off old stories and try to place them in a modern context. Changing a character's gender,ethnicity, or age does not open up the creatve world to new story ideas.

Mercurialblonde
11-20-2007, 02:30 PM
Damian is hardly dead weight. Again. 666. That was as good a Batman story as any recently, and nary a Bruce Wayne in it. If you use Damian for the next Batman, then you're able to continue to use Bruce's legacy. Whereas if you use any of the robins, you have to question their legitimacy over Damian.

Sizzle
11-20-2007, 02:34 PM
I hope they are not going through this to show that Jason's way is wrong and that Batman's methods are tough enough. blah blah blah.

Grievous
11-20-2007, 03:28 PM
I like Jason, I admit it.

But I don't want him to be Batman. We have already had the anti-hero Batman (Azrael), and we don't need to do it again.

This is a role for Damian. I know Tim should be the rightful heir, but #666 should be the basis for this storyline. I'm sure thats what Morrison originally planned... but his mind was probably changed for him.

JMichaelS
11-20-2007, 03:37 PM
I like Jason, I admit it.

But I don't want him to be Batman. We have already had the anti-hero Batman (Azrael), and we don't need to do it again.

This is a role for Damian. I know Tim should be the rightful heir, but #666 should be the basis for this storyline. I'm sure thats what Morrison originally planned... but his mind was probably changed for him.

My issue with Jason Todd is that I paid .99 to have him killed off only to find out that I was lied to 20 years later. My lawyer is looking into recovering that money.:D

Sean Whitmore
11-20-2007, 03:39 PM
My issue with Jason Todd is that I paid .99 to have him killed off only to find out that I was lied to 20 years later. My lawyer is looking into recovering that money.:D

And that was a lot of money back then! That's 99 cents in Reagan dollars.


SEAN

static
11-20-2007, 03:50 PM
DC has been making some dumb ass moves latley but even so this one is hard to believe...but if it was a rumor and it was started by DC why stir up such bad press and feelings ??

matt_hatyber
11-20-2007, 04:30 PM
yes if damiam was older he would be good. But really do we want to see another jump in age. FIrst Bart . THan superman Prime. I dont want to see a third person just gain 10 years.

and truelly i dont want to see damiam as like BAt-kid. so yea.

On the jason thing. I rather just see some random new character that some one makes up to see batman other than jason.

Mercurialblonde
11-20-2007, 04:58 PM
Just skip ahead a few years. Like have Jason be Batman. Do a terrible job of it. And then have Damian Wayne step into the picture and rip the cowl right off his unworthy head. Then Damian Wayne sets to cleaning up Gotham. Just like his dear old dad did.

The Xenos
11-20-2007, 05:21 PM
Well, I never thought I'd drop the Batman books... but making Jason Batman would certainly do it.

Mia
11-20-2007, 05:47 PM
How unbelievably stupid. Just what is Didio smoking? Is this why they brung him back?

Batman is going to be just like Spider-Man was during the clone saga - messy, convoluted, and just plain awful.

A fat-boy blunt sourounded by a 100 dollar bill.;)

Actually the idea isn’t that far fetched or strange when you think about it. Especially given the popularity of the way Batman is portrayed in All Star Batman & Robin.
There are plenty of people who seem to enjoy it and find Batman being portrayed as a knuckle dragging chimp ‘refreshing’ and a ‘good read’. The book is a great seller, so obviously there’s a market for this kind of tripe which Didio wants to tap into. The man has never really struck me as the type of person who is interested in quality.. He just is interested in great sales and cheap stunts that will bring in those sales. And while I don’t think that Todd will be that over the top. I do think that he probably will be very extreme. But yeah, I do agree with the person who said they might as well bring back Azrael.

Morrison's Batman run has been pretty lacklustre apart from the Club Of Heroes two-parter. And this is from somebody who thinks his JLA and Doom Patrol runs are genuine classics.




Interesting. My view is the exact opposite. I've never been a fan of Morrison's work. This is the first time he's written something I could truly enjoy and respect. And I like the way he writes Batman/Bruce Wayne.

FCEEVIPER
11-20-2007, 06:24 PM
Batman is bigger than Bruce Wayne.
I disagree, to a degree.

Code-Name V
11-20-2007, 07:26 PM
This all seems familiar. DC killing off an iconic hero.

Then watch - Grayson, Todd, Damien, and Azrael all take up the cowl and we have "Reign of the Bat-Men" where everybody tries to figure out who's going to end up with the title, only to have Bruce come back from an undercover mission, reveal he faked his death, and have a big epic brawl with Todd.

The Batman
11-20-2007, 07:40 PM
Weren't we supposed to have Bruce Wayne in Arkham following Infinite Crisis? Didn't that get the ready to go greenlight too? I must be missing those issues because I don't remember reading that story.

Seriously though, this is just a rumour. Even with the greenlight, it's just a rumour. If this does happen it'll be temporary (probably over by July 2008) so no need to get upset. If it's just a baseless rumour then it won't happen so no need to get upset.

Either way, I'm not really seeing the need to get too upset.

Mercurialblonde
11-20-2007, 08:55 PM
only to have Bruce come back from an undercover mission, reveal he faked his death, and have a big epic brawl with Todd.
He can't come back if he's a God.

The Batman
11-20-2007, 08:58 PM
A fat-boy blunt sourounded by a 100 dollar bill.;)

Actually the idea isn’t that far fetched or strange when you think about it. Especially given the popularity of the way Batman is portrayed in All Star Batman & Robin.
There are plenty of people who seem to enjoy it and find Batman being portrayed as a knuckle dragging chimp ‘refreshing’ and a ‘good read’. The book is a great seller, so obviously there’s a market for this kind of tripe which Didio wants to tap into. The man has never really struck me as the type of person who is interested in quality.. He just is interested in great sales and cheap stunts that will bring in those sales. And while I don’t think that Todd will be that over the top. I do think that he probably will be very extreme. But yeah, I do agree with the person who said they might as well bring back Azrael.



The Batman in All-Star Batman and Robin is hardly "a knuckle dragging chimp". Like or dislike Miller's over-the-top characterization all you want, but that description is wildly inaccurate. As for Didio, you better believe he cares about quality books. Thing is, he doesn't define a quality story as one particular take on Batman, but rather as a story that is exciting and entertaining enough that people are going to want to go out and buy it.

wordnerd
11-20-2007, 09:02 PM
desk, meet head. head desk.

FCEEVIPER
11-20-2007, 10:46 PM
Weren't we supposed to have Bruce Wayne in Arkham following Infinite Crisis? Didn't that get the ready to go greenlight too? I must be missing those issues because I don't remember reading that story.

Seriously though, this is just a rumour. Even with the greenlight, it's just a rumour. If this does happen it'll be temporary (probably over by July 2008) so no need to get upset. If it's just a baseless rumour then it won't happen so no need to get upset.

Either way, I'm not really seeing the need to get too upset.
I know, but just the very thought of......

Oh never mind. :D

gwor
11-21-2007, 11:33 AM
It looks like Morrisson has a master plan of sorts, so I'm intrigued.

As long as the stories are interesting and well-told, that's what matters.

I do miss the good ol' days (the 70s) when Bats was cool, if that makes any sense.

Stage3 Evolution
11-21-2007, 12:04 PM
the more I think of it the more I'm beginning to think this is some mater story to that will probably end with Bruce returning makes me now become interested in seeing the who what when and where of everything

Bricolo
11-21-2007, 12:13 PM
I was kind of hoping Babs would be the new Batman.

Major Danger
11-21-2007, 12:43 PM
Oh I get it now.

"Marvel made headlines by killing off Captain America. Who can we kill? Superman, nah we did that once, and just again on DVD. Wait I know we'll kill Bruce Wayne....and....and...then he becomes a god see, so he can come back if the Bat books sales flag...oooh this is just teriffic!"

Or Not So Much

Kieralinn
11-21-2007, 01:22 PM
:mad:

Great....just when I was FINALLY getting a subscription to all the Bat books they go and kill Bruce Wayne. Guess I'll pass on it and wait till they bring him back. I sure don't want to pay for books that have Bruce dead in them.

The Xenos
11-21-2007, 03:45 PM
If this dumb idea does happen, I hope it doesn't last. I hope the other kids kick Jason's ass and make him take if off. Let's see, since Jason's been back he's been Hush and that weird Hush/Robin (maybe?), the Red Hood, and Nightwing. We heard he's gonna be Red Robbin. Now we hear he's gonna be Batman.

Wow. Can DC make him any more of an identity hungry idiot?

the goddamn batman
11-21-2007, 05:18 PM
He should die again, and be the new new Spectre... or maybe Green Arrow, or a Green Lantern... or a new Superbo... woops, almost got a lawsuit there... or maybe he could just be Robin again... with the old costume... or Blue Beetle, or The Question... or a Flash... or, hell, anyone, I mean, it's not like the character really has his own identity anymore.

What I don't get, is why if you felt the need to do anything with Jason Todd, you wouldn't just retell his death. If there was every a story that could use an update, it's that one. God I hate A Death in the Family.

MattXG
11-22-2007, 12:06 AM
I can't wait. :)

Kill Bruce. Cremate him. Stick his ashes on a rocket pointed at the sun and place a curse on it that he may never walk the earth ever again.

I love big changes. :)

MattXG
11-22-2007, 12:10 AM
Batman is bigger than Bruce Wayne.

See also: Cartoon series: Batman Beyond.

The Batman comic hasn't been about Bruce Wayne for any period of time in my lifetime I don't think. When is the last time he wasn't wearing the costume in his own comics? And when he is Bruce Wayne, he's pretending to be Bruce Wayne. Batman is the character, Bruce Wayne isn't. Anyone can wear the mask. No one really has any tangible connection to the tragedy of Wayne's parents by this point in the character's history.

Killing off Bruce Wayne and continuing the character is the closest thing to a no-brainer out there. And anyone that would stop reading the book on that basis hasn't read Batman 666 which was better than most Bruce Wayne Batman stories, and it starred Damian Wayne.
Excellent post. :D

Major Danger
11-22-2007, 08:21 AM
:mad:

Great....just when I was FINALLY getting a subscription to all the Bat books they go and kill Bruce Wayne. Guess I'll pass on it and wait till they bring him back. I sure don't want to pay for books that have Bruce dead in them.

Yeah, the Bat books are comin' off my pull list if they do that. And I was really enjoying Paul Dini's run on Detective comics too.

Nintendite
11-22-2007, 08:37 AM
Actually, after Batman dies, there will be 6 Batmen: the 3 Robins, a reborn Azrael, a time-traveling Batman Beyond and a robot.

Xevious
11-22-2007, 09:25 AM
I think bruce, tim, dick, jean paul, stephanie, jason, damian, terry, carrie and harvey should all be batman.
edit: forgot renee, holly, cassandra kathy and kate

dancj
11-23-2007, 05:22 AM
You guys are really overreacting. Even if it is true, what's the big deal? Given all the stupid sh!t that has happened in the last few years, this doesn't seem that much worse.

Besides, you've got to be kidding yourself if you think that it's going to be permanent. If it was then I would probably be upset, but knowing that it's not I'm just going to enjoy the ride. At least it will be interesting, and I'm betting a lot more interesting than most of the recent stories in the book.
Damn right!

The Xenos
11-23-2007, 02:23 PM
True. I don't think DC can get it worse than the whole War Games / War Crimes and Identity Crisis pit of crapiness they had a few years ago.

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"O rly? We shall see about that! Bwa he he he he."

Rattlehead
11-23-2007, 02:33 PM
Batman is bigger than Bruce Wayne.

See also: Cartoon series: Batman Beyond.

The Batman comic hasn't been about Bruce Wayne for any period of time in my lifetime I don't think. When is the last time he wasn't wearing the costume in his own comics? And when he is Bruce Wayne, he's pretending to be Bruce Wayne. Batman is the character, Bruce Wayne isn't. Anyone can wear the mask. No one really has any tangible connection to the tragedy of Wayne's parents by this point in the character's history.

Killing off Bruce Wayne and continuing the character is the closest thing to a no-brainer out there. And anyone that would stop reading the book on that basis hasn't read Batman 666 which was better than most Bruce Wayne Batman stories, and it starred Damian Wayne.

For one, Batman Beyond was jsut as much about Bruce Wayne as it was about the new kid. It was about Bruce realizing he had reached the end of the line and needed to hand-pick a new protector of Gotham. Emphasis on the words hand pick. Only Bruce himself can pass on the cape and cowl. Batman is not a pro football team to where any hot free agent can put on the uniform. Batman is Bruce Wayne's creation, it's not just a title and position like the Green Lantern Corps. Batman is not a legacy character.

Secondly, Paul Dini has been emphasizing Bruce Wayne, the man, just as much as Batman. Grant Morrison has touched on that as well.

the goddamn batman
11-23-2007, 04:21 PM
Batman Beyond doesn't count... Terry was a cone of Bruce, wasn't he?

FCEEVIPER
11-24-2007, 12:37 AM
Batman Beyond doesn't count... Terry was a cone of Bruce, wasn't he?
Yeah, that black woman from the Government got a DNA sample from Wayne and used it for Terry. The Wayne clone was created.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAeRReciMWs&feature=related

bjtrdff
11-26-2007, 07:37 PM
Its a moot point now, LITG has now said that the rumor it's been harping on for weeks is, like most of us thought, a bunch of crap. Shocking.

Captain Jim
11-26-2007, 09:21 PM
Its a moot point now, LITG has now said that the rumor it's been harping on for weeks is, like most of us thought, a bunch of crap. Shocking.

Actually, it seems to imply that DC has simply changed their minds:

Oh and Dead Batman/Todd Batman/God Bruce Wayne? So not happening. You can still expect a status-challenging new scenario, still expect Alex Ross covers and designs, still expect some intricately complex yet instantly entertaining Morrisonia, just, expect something else. Did Internet reaction affect this? Not one jot it seems. All decisions are taking place at a much higher level, and Warner Bros. have made their feelings known.

GRANT!
11-26-2007, 09:23 PM
Actually, it seems to imply that DC has simply changed their minds:

Or Warner Bros changed it for them.

The Batman
11-26-2007, 09:29 PM
^^

THAT seems to be what was implied by the article. Assuming of course the rumour was true at any point. I mean, I've started comic and comic movie rumours before and I've got nothing but free time and curiosity.

Mr.50
11-26-2007, 10:06 PM
Guys it sounds like the total opposite to what you are talking about here is what is stated:

Oh and Dead Batman/Todd Batman/God Bruce Wayne? So not happening.


It looks like even though something is going to happen it is not going to be Dead Batman, Todd Batman, or God Bruce Wayne!

Mr.50

FCEEVIPER
11-26-2007, 10:08 PM
Or Warner Bros changed it for them.
We have a winner.

bjtrdff
11-26-2007, 10:16 PM
Do you think it's more likely that the entire creative path of a major story, and arguably DCs biggest character was changed over the course of a week, or that the rumor was bogus in the first place?

GRANT!
11-26-2007, 10:54 PM
We'll probably won't know for sure unless someone comes forward and fesses up to it in a few years (most likely to "Comic Urban Legends"). But I could see the idea being pitched along with several other pitches when they decide what to do with Batman in 2008

TuPeT
11-27-2007, 08:03 AM
It is already gone this idea. I like Morisson, but this idea is really stupid. The real Goddamm Batman is Bruce Wayne and no one else.

Corrina
11-27-2007, 08:26 AM
Or Warner Bros changed it for them.

That would be my guess, too.

Rattlehead
11-27-2007, 10:03 AM
Or Warner Bros changed it for them.

Of course Warner axed the idea. They are right in the middle of a film franchise, and are about to launch a Justice League franchise. Killing off Bruce Wayne right now would be the equivalent of Peter Parker being dead when the Spider-Man films launched. It would have been a monumentally stupid business decision.

SKETCHSANCHEZ
11-27-2007, 11:04 AM
I guess I'm willing to give it a chance.

If it even hapens that is, I still dont believe they're gonna "kill" Batman, even for a little while. Can't say I knw why I dont exactly, but I dont.

SKETCHSANCHEZ
11-27-2007, 11:06 AM
Nevermind, i should read the whole thread.

Bad SKetch, bad!

EmeraldOutlaw
11-27-2007, 11:52 AM
Well I'm glad to hear they're not going to kill Bruce. However, I don't think he's out of the woods yet with regard to major changes coming in Final Crisis. Just a feeling.

mike626
11-27-2007, 12:55 PM
Wasn't the "Bruce Wayne in Arkham Asylum OYL" rumor a greenlight too? I'm calling bullshit on this. Not because I actually believe DC wouldn't go through with it (the amount of love Jason Todd gets from Didio and Winick is astounding, and my faith in DC's editorial department has never been lower) but because my fragile little fanboyish mind refuses to accept it as an option.

To quote Helena Wayne, "There [is] only one man who could be the Batman". Still, if they're dead set on giving the cape and cowl to someone else, it's Dick Grayson or bust.It's not happening,no way wolud Warner Bros allow them to do that with a new movie coming out.

CYOTI
11-27-2007, 03:46 PM
Or Warner Bros changed it for them.
Or more likely Johnston was wrong in the first place.

Red Lotus
11-27-2007, 04:59 PM
Guys it sounds like the total opposite to what you are talking about here is what is stated:

Oh and Dead Batman/Todd Batman/God Bruce Wayne? So not happening.


It looks like even though something is going to happen it is not going to be Dead Batman, Todd Batman, or God Bruce Wayne!

Mr.50

Yeah I have to agree. I think some time next year, Bruce wont be Batman for awhile. And Nightwing will take over for him.

Angelo2113
11-27-2007, 11:32 PM
I thought Jason Todd is supposed to become the new Red Robin, hence him dressed up as Red Robin in the Countdown poster

carabas
11-28-2007, 12:57 AM
Yeah I have to agree. I think some time next year, Bruce wont be Batman for awhile. And Nightwing will take over for him.What? Again?