Secret Invasion (2008 Crossover) Reading Order [Archive]

firstmode

11-17-2007, 04:19 PM

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What is the reading order so far for secret invasion?

We need to include:

**Avengers #502 (Avengers Dissasembled) (When the false Kree invade during Dissasembled, There is a Skrull appearing in a panel or two, and then it is gone, May have just been part of Wanda's Magic, or it could be an easter egg)

**Secret Wars (Nick Fury)

**New Avengers 1-6 (Story about the raft breakout tied to secret wars and Shield in The Savage Land illegally mining Virbranium????? That still has not been explained)

**New Avengers 27 - 31

**New Avengers 32 - 44

**Heroes for Hire (Backround plot where people were getting Skrull organs transplanted)

**Illuminati One Shot and Illuminati 1 - 5

**Avengers the Initiative (1 - 8)

**Mighty Avengers 7 - 8

**Marvel Holiday Special 2007 (Irving Griffin,the Bugle’s feature editor, is revealed to be a Skrull)

**Giant Sized Avengers #1

**New Avengers Annual #2

**Avengers: The Initiative Annual

**Captain Marvel 1-3

Known impostors

Elektra - Revealed in New Avengers #31
Black Bolt - Revealed in New Avengers: Illuminati #5
The Revolutionary - Revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
Cobalt Man - Revealed in Captain Marvel #3
Irving Griffin - Revealed in Marvel Holiday Special 2007

Crusader is just a Skrull and hasn't been confirmed to be a spy yet. It is a known fact (to the readers) he is a Skrull since he trained Freedom Ring. Again, it hasn't been confirmed yet that he is in fact part of the invasion, he just didn't want his "identity" revealed, reasons Marvel only knows at the moment.

Secret Wars::

In 2003, Nick Fury, Director of the international security force S.H.I.E.L.D., uncovers a secret plot by the Latverian Prime Minister, Lucia von Bardas, to fund B-List Supervillains with advanced technology presumably left from previous Latverian dictator Doctor Doom (who was trapped in Hell at the time) as a means of wreaking terror on American soil. Fury immediately takes his findings to the President of the United States but is denied the authorization requested to overthrow the post-Doom Latverian government, which is sponsored by the U.S. Dismissed, Fury is enraged at what he sees as the same pre-9/11 security complacency inviting disaster yet again.

New Avengers 1-6 Breakout::

This storyline introduces the new team, and focuses mostly on the events that bring them all together. Electro causes a mass supervillain break-out at the supervillain prison the Raft, releasing almost ninety supervillains from their cells. Forty-two escape, but the remaining criminals are contained thanks to the intervention of Captain America, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Jessica Drew, Spider-Man and Matt Murdock. Concluding that fate has brought together this new team like fate originally brought the first five Avengers together, Cap convinces Iron Man to join a new team of Avengers, inviting the other four heroes who were present at the riot to join; Daredevil declines, unwilling to tarnish the reputation of the other heroes due to the disaster that his life has become after his identity was revealed to the media, but the other three accept. Having contained Electro, the Avengers discover that S.H.I.E.L.D is holding something back about the enigmatic man named Karl Lykos- the man who, it is revealed, Electro was hired to specifically break out, while everyone else just took advantage of the chaos. Lykos's files are restricted even to Spider-Woman and Captain America. Their quest takes them into the Savage Land where they are joined by Wolverine and soon discover Karl Lykos' alter-ego, Sauron, as well as being nearly shot by the second Black Widow.

New Avengers 27-31::

Elektra and her forces appear. Echo wakes, but the brainwashing kicks in and she wounds Dr. Strange with an enchanted sword. Strange contacts his home telepathically for aid. While a nervous Jessica watches, Wong, Dr. Strange's servant, assists Strange in freeing himself. Strange then forcibly clears Echo's mind, who then kills Elektra. Or so it seems. The Hand retreats and Elektra's body transforms into that of a Skrull.

New Avengers 32 - 44::

Wolverine sums up why everybody could be a Skrull: Hawkeye's resurrection is suspect. Spider-Woman and Echo's loyalties have long been questionable due to Spider-Woman's initial status as a HYDRA agent and Echo being trained by the Kingpin. Luke Cage has gone from a street-tough hero to a family man leading the team he swore he'd never join. Iron Fist has 'suddenly' acquired a jet and become far more well-connected. Spider-Man unmasks in public after years of concealing his identity, further escalating the Civil War. Finally, both Wolverine and Doctor Strange were suspiciously absent for most of the Civil War. Spider-Woman suggests taking the Skrull to Iron Man, much to the discontent of the team, but Luke Cage, in particular, points out that Stark is a prime candidate for being a Skrull, given his actions over the last few months. Just then, the plane loses power due to the Mighty Avengers' current battle with Ultron. Spider-Woman makes a return visit to the crash site to reclaim the Skrull body; she attacks Wolverine and takes the body.

Following the completion of the Hood Arc in Issue #37 and Annual #2, future issues of the New Avengers will tie into the upcoming Event Secret Invasion. Issue #38 is entitled “The Break-Up” and examines the relationship between the couple Jessica Jones and Luke Cage in light of the Skrull Invasion and her registation.

*******SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS*************Issue #39 will examine the New Avenger Echo and her relationship to her team. From Issue #40 the issues will serve as a companion to the Secret Invasion event. #40 and #41 are a two-part story which goes into the past and looks at 'who’s a Skrull, how they’re a Skrull, and how the Skrulls did what they are doing.' Issues #42 and #43 will look at Nick Fury and his long absence from the Marvel Universe since Secret War, including his response to the Skrull's plans for Earth.[7] #44 has been stated to be a one-shot for Spider-Man which ties in the events of One More Day and Brand New Day with Secret Invasion.************END SPOILERS END SPOILERS END SPOILERS*******

New Avengers Annual 2::

Breaking into Tigra's home, The Hood learns that the team is hiding out inside Doctor Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum, disguised by a powerful illusion spell, which the Hood's own powers are able to disrupt. The element of surprise is nearly lost when Spider-Man, having gone out for a swing, spots the Hood's crime syndicate across the rooftops, and returns to the team in a panic. While Spider-Man manages to get Jessica and baby Danielle out in time, the New Avengers are caught off guard when the Hood's forces attack, leading to an all-out brawl in the Sanctum. Suffering from the after-effects of the demon-banishing spell he used on the Hood, Doctor Strange is easy prey for the villian, who shoots him several times before Wong intervenes. The Hood is intercepted by a vengeful Tigra, who prevents him from shooting Iron Fist and joins the fight alongside the New Avengers in retaliation for the Hood's intimidation. However, as the team eventually begins to fall to the villians, Doctor Strange awakes, channeling the residual dark energies of Zom into a powerful paralysing spell that leaves all the combatants frozen. After Wong releases the New Avengers from its grips, Strange confesses that he has been calling upon darker forces than he normally would lately and has begun to lose control. Telling the team that his hands are now ruined, Strange departs, telling them that he needs to set things right again in order to act as Earth's Sorcerer Supreme once more. After Strange teleports away, the team is confronted by Ms. Marvel and her Operation: Lightning Storm taskforce, who give the team an opportunity to escape while they bring in the paralyzed supervillians. The only villian to escape Strange's spell is the Hood, who is later seen in a nearby alleyway talking to an unseen figure. Finally, Jessica Jones arrives at Stark Tower with her baby, begging to be taken into safety in return for registering.

Heroes for Hire::

Heroes For Hire discover a black-market operation that surgically implanted superhumans with Skrull organs that would endow those who had the operation with Skrull shapeshifting abilities. Several of these hybrid Skrull-villains bust Misty Knight's old foe Ricadonna from prison. Ricadonna destroys the Heroes' headquarters by sending an explosive package, and puts hits out on the entire team. Most notable of these were Insecticide (the hit man sent to kill Humbug — Humbug neutralized him with help from his pet killer bees), Shadow Stalker (an old foe of Shang-Chi sent to kill him--Shang-Chi quickly humiliated him), and the gang of ninjas that attacked Tarantula when she was with her father. After they murder her father, Tarantula kills the entire gang herself. The team splits up in search of Ricadonna — while Misty Knight and Colleen Wing try to shake up the Toddler for information, Humbug uses his flies to discover Ricadonna's base--and also that she has somehow gained superpowers.

More Continued on my next post::::::::::::::

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1WEBHEAD

11-17-2007, 04:23 PM

What is the reading order so far for secret invasion?

We need to include:

Secret Wars (Nick Fury)
New Avengers 27 - 36
Illuminati One Shot and Illuminati 1 - 6

Any others??

You might want to add more issues of New Avengers on that list like #1 and some others. Bendis was hinting that something fishy was up (Da Skrullz!) in NA before Civil War came in.

Samuraixsithlord

11-17-2007, 04:46 PM

Will the Skrull Invasion be touched upon in any other non-Avenger books?

1WEBHEAD

11-17-2007, 04:52 PM

Will the Skrull Invasion be touched upon in any other non-Avenger books?

Skrulls will be popping up in the Black Panther book but that doesn't count since that "book" is just whoring out any Marvel gimmick it can.

firstmode

11-17-2007, 11:11 PM

Lol at the Black Panther Comment

worstblogever

11-18-2007, 03:32 AM

Will the Skrull Invasion be touched upon in any other non-Avenger books?

I believe they said that it would somehow effect the X-Men. Whether or not they just mean Professor X in Illuminati #5, or Wolverine in New Avengers, though, and are going to cop out is the question.

Still, if we had Civil War: X-Men, and World War Hulk: X-Men I could believe they're going to be good to their word and there will be a Secret Invasion: X-Men miniseries. Hell, the other two have sold well.

Samuraixsithlord

11-18-2007, 07:22 AM

Civil War: X-men was crap in comic book form. WWH: X-men was good because it was the Hulk kicking ass

matthewaos

11-18-2007, 07:48 AM

Actually CW X-Men had nothing to do with CW. WWH X-Men was good.

Will.S

11-18-2007, 09:09 AM

Seems a bit too early to go into reading orders but I think any book pertaining to skrulls like New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, and the Illuminati issues are a safe bet. Once the reveals are set in place during Secret Invasion then we can make a mega list of reading orders.

firstmode

11-18-2007, 12:44 PM

What about reading the life and death of captain marvel and the Kree/Skrull war. I heard that Captain marvel will play large role in Secret Invasion and this would set up this characters history with the Marvel universe and the Skrulls.

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11-18-2007, 01:13 PM

StoneGold

11-18-2007, 01:35 PM

I'm with Will. This is ridiculously premature.

Plus, "reading order" seems to imply there's some confusion over the order in which to read things. At present, you have to stretch to even find issues that are related to the event, much less how to arrange them. I mean, c'mon, the Kree/Skrull War? Sure, and then we can list every appearance by every Skrull ever.

Not to mention, when it turns out that some random character in a book from a year and half ago is revealed to be a Skrull... the reading order on this is going to be hellaciously long. And most of them are going to be incredibly incidental.

The Confessor

11-18-2007, 04:11 PM

We need to include:

Secret Wars (Nick Fury)
New Avengers 27 - 36
Illuminati One Shot and Illuminati 1 - 6

OK, sorry to get all anal about this but that's Secret War not Wars. Secret Wars was a couple of 80's crossovers featuring the mullet weilding Beyonder.

And yes, this thread is ridiculously premature.

Will.S

11-18-2007, 04:23 PM

OK, sorry to get all anal about this but that's Secret War not Wars. Secret Wars was a couple of 80's crossovers featuring the mullet weilding Beyonder.

And yes, this thread is ridiculously premature.
If anything we can just "file this thread for later".

Nice "skrully" avatar btw ;)

Madison Carter

11-19-2007, 12:27 AM

Pretty much what they said. Too early. There's stuff that doesn't seem related now that will soon.

matthewaos

11-19-2007, 04:02 AM

We could post what we think will play a role, but there is a similar thread in the avengers forum. But anyway, since SI started, let's keep this around and post every new addition.

firstmode

11-19-2007, 05:51 PM

firstmode

01-01-2008, 10:33 AM

To The Top

Will.S

01-01-2008, 10:47 AM

What about backstory to the Skrull and Captain Marvel?

What are the essential books to read to cover Skrull history and Captain marvel's important moments?

I know the skrull were quite destroyed in Anihiliation, etc.
I think the Kree-Skrull War pretty much covers it all in one fell swoop unless you just want to get more Captain Marvel material which in that case just get the trade of "The Life and Death of Captain Marvel".

Skrull wise, I suppose the Super Skrull Annihilation mini had the most skrull related stuff with a bit of the Silver Surfer mini series which shows planets full of skrulls dead.

firstmode

02-14-2008, 06:32 AM

Alright guys, we have a bit more now to setup a reading order for those who do not want to miss a second of Secret Invasion Setup (or the road to secrect invasion)

We just hade New Avengers 38 and Captain Marvel 3 to add to the list. Also, The Avengers Annual, etc. Also, Ms. Marvel (the latest one) has a skrull reveal ending....

also::
MIGHTY AVENGERS #7 December 2007
AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE ANNUAL #1 November 2007
NEW AVENGERS:ILLUMINATI #5

The Confessor

02-14-2008, 05:11 PM

What about the Marvel Holiday Special 2007? Nobody's mentioned that on this thread yet, have they?

Irving Griffin,the Bugle’s feature editor, is revealed to be a Skrull in it.

sodarobber

02-14-2008, 05:11 PM

Not to mention, when it turns out that some random character in a book from a year and half ago is revealed to be a Skrull... the reading order on this is going to be hellaciously long. And most of them are going to be incredibly incidental.

I dont think thats true. The Secret Invasion tie ins are supposed to show us exactly how the Skrulls infiltrated and who they are impersonating or so we were told. I don't think it'll be necessary to snag books from a year and a half ago unless you want to see it happen from a point of view that wasn't the Skrulls'. I admit I am a completionist myself at points, but if we're already getting told how it happens it kind of defeats the point of buying the books showing old characters getting whisked away by Skrulls doesn't it?

I can see the Secret Invasion Crossover being like World War Hulk with about 12 Tie ins tops including the Avengers books.

firstmode

02-14-2008, 05:55 PM

"What about the Marvel Holiday Special 2007? Nobody's mentioned that on this thread yet, have they?

Irving Griffin,the Bugle’s feature editor, is revealed to be a Skrull in it."

Added it, Thanks!!

firstmode

02-15-2008, 02:17 AM

I know there have to be more secret invasion crossover issues out there...

matthewaos

02-15-2008, 07:42 AM

I would say:

NA #32 - 33
MA #6 - 7
Initiative annual
Marvel holiday special
Illuminati #5
Captain Marvel #3 (Isn't #3 the latest?)

For now I think this should be the reading order.

firstmode

02-16-2008, 01:51 AM

I think putting in Captain Marvel 1-3 is important as #3 makes no sense without 1-2, especially 2. You also left out where New Avengers 34 - 38 fit in, also, New Avengers Annual 2, and Giant Sized Avengers 1

NA #32- 33
MA #6 - 7
Initiative annual
Marvel holiday special
Illuminati #5
Captain Marvel #1-3

firstmode

02-16-2008, 02:32 AM

Illuminati One Shot and Illuminati 1 - 5::

Shortly after the Kree-Skrull War, which Earth's heroes were involved in, a small group of heroes representing the various factions of the Marvel universe banded together to secretly confront the Skrull emperor. This group consisted of Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Namor, Black Bolt, Professor Charles Xavier, and Doctor Strange. They attacked the capital of the empire, and then threatened the emperor that another attack by the Skrulls would lead to war. However, they were captured, separated, and then experimented upon. The Skrulls analyzed their captives (physiology, genetics, technology, etc) and gleaned information from their behavior, until Iron Man is able to lead an escape. The Illuminati recognized that another attack is inevitable, while the Skrull Empire began to make use of the data they compiled.

Iron Man is shocked by the Skrull corpse of Electra, realizing it to be a repercussion of the Illuminati's attack years prior. He reassembles the group for the first time since they splintered shortly before the Civil War, and they debate over whether this means an invasion has taken place. The group is caught off guard, however, when Black Bolt voices his opinion. It is revealed that he is in fact a Skrull as well, and fights the others over the body. This Skrull shows to have the combined powers of all the members of the Illuminati. After Namor manages to kill him, two more Skrulls, wielding other powers, attack. These Skrulls are killed by Iron Man. Namor reminds them that any of them could also be a Skrull, and that no one is to be trusted. The five then separate, heading off to prepare for the upcoming battles.

matthewaos

02-16-2008, 05:22 AM

Brother Zag

02-16-2008, 09:53 PM

Will.S

02-16-2008, 10:20 PM

Anybody mention Avengers #502? When Disassembled is going on, and the Kree invade and start attacking the Avengers, suddenly a Skrull is there for a panel or two, and then gone. Closest Avenger at the time seems to be Tigra...
My only problem with the Dissassembled sightings was that Wanda's magic use all throughout made everything suspect so I can't help but still believe that those were constructs along with the Kree and their spaceships, Quicksilver, Dr. Strange himself, etc.

jeffarei

02-16-2008, 11:45 PM

Can someone explain to me how Secret War is going to be related to Secret Invasion?

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02-17-2008, 12:20 AM

Can someone explain to me how Secret War is going to be related to Secret Invasion?At the moment, it's only related in that it was written by Bendis and that it explains why Nick Fury is no longer the head of SHIELD. If there are more substantive connections, presumably they will be revealed as the crossover progresses.

firstmode

02-17-2008, 12:40 AM

Bendis said that Skrulls were involved going back to Secret War and Avengers Dissasembled. So I am not sure exactly how, but he said in an interview it was important.

jeffarei

02-17-2008, 12:57 AM

Was Secret War the last time we saw Fury?

firstmode

02-17-2008, 01:02 AM

Yea, That is when he went in hiding.

he was mentioned as in contact with Captain America in Civil War.

Also, he was in contact with Bucky in Captain America....

firstmode

02-17-2008, 03:14 AM

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firstmode

02-17-2008, 03:23 AM

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firstmode

02-18-2008, 01:56 AM

ttt (To The Top)

Crimson

02-18-2008, 02:11 AM

Yea, That is when he went in hiding.

he was mentioned as in contact with Captain America in Civil War.

Also, he was in contact with Bucky in Captain America....

Didn't he also semi-appear in New Avengers? I want to say in the Spider-Woman spotlight issue or the one after that... it was wear the team found out she was working for him.

I'm sure he appeared as a hologram or we heard his voice, talking to the New Avengers.

Then everything went to hell and he cut off contact.

jeffarei

02-18-2008, 02:51 AM

Didn't he also semi-appear in New Avengers? I want to say in the Spider-Woman spotlight issue or the one after that... it was wear the team found out she was working for him.

I'm sure he appeared as a hologram or we heard his voice, talking to the New Avengers.

Then everything went to hell and he cut off contact.

yeah he appeared as a hologram. hopefully he plays a large role in secret invasion.

firstmode

02-19-2008, 09:17 AM

I think that Nick Furey will become the director of shield after the secret invasion is over.

matthewaos

02-19-2008, 10:12 AM

He appeared in a cap issue, in one panel or something like that. Until this latest storyline he was talking to him through hologram, or just his voice.

firstmode

02-21-2008, 10:13 PM

Anymore issues that should be included in the reading order? Any others revealed to be Skrulls??

Ullar

02-27-2008, 07:06 PM

I decided to make a smaller reading order with only offical tie ins. Does anyone know if my placement of NA 38 is correct?

The Mighty Avengers #7
The New Avengers #38
The New Avengers Illuminati #5
Avengers The Initiative Annual #1

firstmode

04-06-2008, 11:45 PM

AAAAAH I forgot to update this. can anyone give me some help?

Netley

04-07-2008, 12:40 AM

AAAAAH I forgot to update this. can anyone give me some help?

Sure, man. This isn't necessarily the exact order the books were released, just the most chronological way I would recommend reading them.

Mighty Avengers #7-11

New Avengers #38-39

Young Avengers Presents #2 (Hulkling/Cap Marvel)

Captain Marvel #3-4 (#5, which isn't out as I type this, might go here instead of after SI #1...though I don't know for sure b/c I haven't read it yet haha)

Ms. Marvel #25

Secret Invasion Saga (recapping Skruliness up to this point)

Secret Invasion #1

From there, who knows, since crossovers are rarely on schedule and/or go-as-planned. However, I'm pretty sure all the SI/NA/MA issues are strictly timed to be read in the order they come out, since SI dishes out reveals and NA and MA will handle events from the past that are relevant to said reveals.

Also, I think Fury's gonna head up SHIELD again too once the SI dust settles! Best character return to comics since Cap was thawed from the ice!

robcastor729

04-07-2008, 08:24 AM

this is going to rock

jackolover

06-06-2008, 10:59 PM

SeritoNiN

06-07-2008, 01:51 AM

I would now place MA #12 just before Avengers #500 Disassembled.
Note that Spiderwoman appears in Avengers #500 and 503, so that makes the Queen Skrulls appearance before those issues.

Next, Hank Pym in Avengers Finale - you'll notice a very suspicious Hank Pym and Jan Van Dyne in the prologue to this issue.

Jarvis. He was maybe already in the Avengers mansion for Disassembled.

I personally, think Jarvis came as a skrull in New Avengers # 3 when he states " returning from a long vacation". He also has a green hankie and green eyes, I know, don't go by the eyes, but for it to have happened so casually back then, just seems like a hint.

jackolover

06-07-2008, 07:46 AM

I personally, think Jarvis came as a skrull in New Avengers # 3 when he states " returning from a long vacation". He also has a green hankie and green eyes, I know, don't go by the eyes, but for it to have happened so casually back then, just seems like a hint.

You've got to remember, when Electra Skrull spoke at the meeting, that she said she met Wolvie and DD already (putting her appearances in Enemy of the state as Skrully), and others were there too, so the possibility is Jarvis and Pym were in place for a long time like Electra.

Gyroscope352

09-26-2008, 08:09 PM

Hey guys, this thread just like died. What's up?

I have read a few issues of SI, but none of the tie-ins. I didn't really get a chance to read over the summer, so I'm planning on reading SI all the way through for the first time as soon as it's all out. So does someone have some ideas for a reading order? I'm looking for something in chronological order, except for maybe flashback issues like NA and MA, which can be read in the order they came out (as they were designed to be - as things come out in SI, NA and MA reveal how they happened). So anyone want to take a stab at it?

OoNebsoO

09-27-2008, 11:19 AM

Maybe this could help? Listed by date they were released, and I've read them in that order, and that *works* quite fine.

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Secret Invasion - The Infiltration

June 13th 2007 New Avengers #31 (Un-Official - No SI: TI Banner)
July 11th 2007 New Avengers #32 (Un-Official - No SI: TI Banner)
November 7th 2007 New Avengers: Illuminati #5
December 5th 2007 Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1

January 9th Mighty Avengers #7
February 13th New Avengers #38

March 5th Secret Invasion Saga #1
March 19th Captain Marvel #4
March 26th Ms. Marvel #25
March 26th New Avengers #39

April 16th Captain Marvel #5
April 23rd Ms. Marvel #26

May 29th Ms. Marvel #27

Secret Invasion (April and May)

April 2nd Secret Invasion #1
April 23rd Mighty Avengers #12
April 30th New Avengers #40

May 7th Secret Invasion #2
May 7th Mighty Avengers #13

May 14th Captain Britain & MI:13 #1
May 14th Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1

May 21st Incredible Hercules #117
May 21st Mighty Avengers #14

May 29th New Avengers #41

Secret Invasion (June)

June 4th Secret Invasion #3
June 4th Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1

June 11th Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
June 11th Secret Invasion: Who Do you Trust? #1

June 18th Incredible Hercules #118
June 18th Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2

June 25th Avengers: The Initiative #14
June 25th Mighty Avengers #15
June 25th Ms. Marvel #28
June 25th New Avengers #42
June 25th Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers #1

Secret Invasion (July)

July 2nd Secret Invasion: Front Line #1

July 9th Secret Invasion #4
July 9th Captain Britain and MI:13 #3

July 16th Incredible Hercules #119
July 16th Mighty Avengers #16
July 16th X-Factor #33

July 23rd Avengers: The Initiative #15
July 23rd New Avengers #43
July 23rd New Warriors #14
July 23rd She-Hulk #31
July 23rd Skrulls! One-Shot
July 23rd Thunderbolts #122

July 30th Black Panther #39
July 30th Ms. Marvel #29
July 30th Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3

Secret Invasion (August)

August 6th Secret Invasion: Front Line #2

August 13th Secret Invasion #5
August 13th Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
August 13th Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
August 13th Secret Invasion: Runaways and Young Avengers #2
August 13th Secret Invasion: Thor #1
August 13th Secret Invasion: X-Men #1

August 20th Guardians of the Galaxy #4
August 20th Incredible Hercules #120
August 20th X-Factor #34

August 27th Black Panther #40
August 27th Mighty Avengers #17
August 27th New Avengers #44
August 27th New Warriors #15
August 27th She-Hulk #32
August 27th Thunderbolts #123
August 27th Nova #16
August 27th Avengers: The Initiative #16
August 27th Secret Invasion: Spider-Man - Brand New Day #1

Secret Invasion (September)

September 4th Secret Invasion: Front Line #3

September 10th Secret Invasion #6
September 10th Deadpool (vol. 2) #1
September 10th Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
September 10th Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
September 10th Secret Invasion Runaways and Young Avengers #3

September 17th Guardians of the Galaxy #5
September 17th Iron Man: Director of Shield #33
September 17th Mighty Avengers #18
September 17th Secret Invasion: Thor #2

September 24th Avengers: The Initiative #17
September 24th Black Panther #41
September 24th Deadpool (vol. 2) #2
September 24th New Avengers #45
September 24th Nova #17
September 24th Secret Invasion: Spider-Man - Brand New Day #2
September 24th She-Hulk #33
September 24th Thunderbolts #124

Gyroscope352

09-27-2008, 06:47 PM

Thanks, but I had this list already, I had seen an incomplete list from a few months ago that was designed to be more chronological (ex. the SI: Fantastic Four 3-issue miniseries took place all at once after SI #1 or #2, not as it was released). It only had up to, like SI #5 though. I know someone has to have put one together...anyone?

The Confessor

09-28-2008, 06:42 AM

I know someone has to have put one together...anyone?

I have my Secret Invasion issues organised in chronological, reading order...I'll try to get around to posting that order later today.

I should add that I'm not buying absolutely every Secret Invasion tie-in, so it's only the titles that I consider the most important (check my signature), but it should give you a starting point.

As a side point, I also did this with all the Civil War comics as they were coming out (there was an excellent thread about it in this forum) and I have tell you, it's very hard to get an absolutely accurate reading order until the whole event is finished.

Anyway, let me get back to you on this.

Gyroscope352

09-28-2008, 08:35 AM

I have my Secret Invasion issues organised in chronological, reading order...I'll try to get around to posting that order later today.

I should add that I'm not buying absolutely every Secret Invasion tie-in, so it's only the titles that I consider the most important (check my signature), but it should give you a starting point.

As a side point, I also did this with all the Civil War comics as they were coming out (there was an excellent thread about it in this forum) and I have tell you, it's very hard to get an absolutely accurate reading order until the whole event is finished.

Anyway, let me get back to you on this.

Thanks dude. I remember the Civil War reading order, I've been lurking here for awhile. I know it's hard early on, and sorry to pester, but I'm just looking for something rough so I can maybe even start before SI 8 comes out. I've got lots of tie-ins, though, so maybe I'll just have to wait till SI is over and then come back here looking for an order. Thanks for posting yours, though, that'll be a good starting point!

matthewaos

09-28-2008, 04:23 PM

I haven't done anything with the reading order, except the Avengers titles, because they are flashbacks. I imagine it would be better if they would be left by them selfs.

The Confessor

09-29-2008, 06:21 PM

OK, here we go then. As requested by Gyroscope352, this is my own personal chronological reading order for the Secret Invasion comics that I have been buying. It's not a complete list by any stretch of the imagination and there could still be a fair amount of movement of these issues, depending on what future issues reveal.

That's the trouble with organising comics into reading order while a big event like Secret Invasion is still going on, we can't be 100% sure of the final chronological reading order until all the parts are out.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the main "Invasion" in Secret Invasion has all happened in like a single 24-hour period so far, which makes it even harder to put the comics into reading order because a lot of stuff is happening simultaneously. This wasn't such a problem with the Civil War reading order because Civil War happened over a period of a few weeks.

I'm only saying all this because there's possibly errors in my reading order and I'm hoping other folks will contribute and challenge my placing of the comics...and also suggest the positions of comics I haven't been buying. This is what made the old Civil War Reading Order thread so good, there were a lot of active contributors and between us all we thrashed out a pretty definitive reading order.

OK, two things I want to make clear before we start...

At the moment I'm including all 5 parts of the New Avengers: Illuminati mini-series in this reading order, although it may turn out, when Secret Invasion finishes, that some issues are not relevant.

I have placed all of the flashback issues of the Avengers titles in the place where the events depicted in each comic actually happened. So, they are not really flashbacks anymore, just part of the unfolding of events. Other people may prefer to have these issues placed as flashbacks in their reading order but not me.

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
SECRET INVASION #5
Avengers Initiative #17
SECRET INVASION #6

So, there you go! I hope that helps somebody. As I say, feel free to question or challenge any of my issue placings.

matthewaos

09-30-2008, 05:03 AM

The Confessor

10-04-2008, 08:10 AM

OK, I have some disagreements, but I'll wait to see the event end. Maybe I'll post some more entries about some of the tie ins you haven't mentioned.

OK, cool...disaggreaments and the intellectual discussion of comic book minutiae are the only ways to thrash out a definitive reading order IMO. I'd really appreciate any input you might have.

Although I agree that it's probably wise to wait until the event is over. As I said in my last post, it's nearly impossible to really see where all the parts should go until you can see the whole picture.

The Confessor

10-13-2008, 03:06 PM

OK, just a minor update to my Secret Invasion reading order to accommodate Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3 that came out last week. It's kinda hard to know exactly where to place these Inhumans issues because so far they seem to have been taking place in total isolation from the rest of the Secret Invasion events.

As stated previously, all placings are tentative at this point (won't really know until the whole event is over) and the flashback issues have all been placed chronologically at the point when the events depicted in these issues actually happened.

I'd welcome any comments, suggestions or corrections. Plus if anyone can integrate any of the titles I’m not collecting into this list, that would be cool.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
SECRET INVASION #5
Avengers Initiative #17
SECRET INVASION #6

The Confessor

10-18-2008, 09:01 PM

OK, here's this week's update to my chronological reading order, which includes Mighty Avengers #19, Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 and Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D.

I've moved Secret Invasion: Front Line #3 to an earlier position since it's shown in #4 that the big battle at the end of of SI #6 is happening about a day and a half after the intitial Skrull Invasion.

I've also moved Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 to a later point in my reading order due to clues found in SI:FL #4 as to how war torn New York City looks on the second day of the invasion.

As ever, all placings are tentative at this point (won't really know until the whole event is over) and the flashback issues have all been placed chronologically at the point when the events depicted in these issues actually happened.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
SECRET INVASION #6

The Confessor

10-27-2008, 02:13 PM

OK, it kinda looks as if I'm doing this all by myself then. Still, hopefully there's some folks out there that are finding my reading order updates somewhat useful, even if they're not posting replies.

Anyway, here's another update to my chronological SI reading order for the particular issues that I'm collecting (new additions are in red). Please feel free to suggest placings for the issues that I'm not collecting.

As ever, all placings are tentative at this point (won't really know until the whole event is over) and the flashback issues have been placed chronologically at the point when the events depicted in these issues actually happened.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7

Gyroscope352

10-27-2008, 02:49 PM

Brother Zag

10-27-2008, 03:31 PM

Still here, too... just more lurker than participant right now. But, yeah, we're out here!

longshot3

10-29-2008, 02:47 PM

I am definitely keeping up with this thread. Thank you so much for doing this. I'm pretty behind on the Secret Invasion, even though I have ALL of the tie-in books. So, I stopped reading it and decided I'll read the rest all at once, but I really needing a good read order. So, again, thanks for doing this.

longshot3

10-29-2008, 02:59 PM

Don't worry, I'm keeping up with this thread. At this point I'm actually waiting till SI is over before I read it, so I can't suggest placings or edit anything you have because I haven't read it. But I will be using it as soon as SI #8 comes out, don't worry.

If anyone else has been monitoring this thread and is reading, does anyone have placement for Deadpool, Thunderbolts, Thor, & Young Avengers/Runaways? I'm reading those but The Confessor isn't so they're not in his order.

As I said, I haven't been reading it, but another timeline I've been following places Thunderbolts directly after SI 4 and SI: Thor directly after that. Hope that helps, because I don't know how correct that is.

I would like to ask, does Incredible Hercules # 120 directly follow Incredible Herules # 119 and does Thunderbolts # 125 directly follow Thunderbolts # 124?????????

Gyroscope352

10-29-2008, 03:05 PM

As I said, I haven't been reading it, but another timeline I've been following places Thunderbolts directly after SI 4 and SI: Thor directly after that. Hope that helps, because I don't know how correct that is.

I would like to ask, does Incredible Hercules # 120 directly follow Incredible Herules # 119 and does Thunderbolts # 125 directly follow Thunderbolts # 124?????????

I have not read them, so I couldn't tell you.

Where is this other timeline you're following?

longshot3

10-29-2008, 04:39 PM

I have not read them, so I couldn't tell you.

Where is this other timeline you're following?

http://vplexico.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=secretinvasion&action=display&thread=1852

He doesn't update it very often, but he does include some issues that are not on this timeline here and it is not in strict chronological order (the flashback issues are not placed before the series)

Gyroscope352

10-29-2008, 09:07 PM

it is not in strict chronological order (the flashback issues are not placed before the series)

That's actually how I want it...I plan on reading the flashback issues as they were supposed to be read (i.e. SI reveals something and then NA or MA will delve into it further), so that's nice. Also, it has some of the titles I was missing, so thanks. I'll be comparing both of these reading orders to compile the one I end up using once SI #8 comes out (two weeks late...dammit!)

Bingo!

10-29-2008, 09:38 PM

Gyroscope352

10-29-2008, 09:41 PM

Super fun thread for the anally retentive. Like me!

There are some titles you don't have in on the list. Captain Britain, Runaways / Young Avengers, Thunderbolts She-Hulk, X-Factor, and Nova all have a distinct chronology to one another and should place nicely on the list. Incredible Hercules, Black Panther, Deadpool, and the tie-in minis for X-Men, and Thor could also go on the list, though I'm not sure where they would all place. Herc, BP, and DP all take place in isolated areas. Maybe there's evidence I missed.

Posting later tonight...

Yeah, Confessor noted when we restarted this thread that since he's not reading all the titles, he doesn't have an order for all of them. So, if you are reading them, feel free to add them to the Confessor's list or make your own to help us out!

The Confessor

10-30-2008, 03:33 AM

He doesn't update it very often, but he does include some issues that are not on this timeline here and it is not in strict chronological order (the flashback issues are not placed before the series)

Yeah, I guess it's just a matter of personal preference as to whether you want your flashback issues in strictly chronological order, as the events in the flashbacks happened or have them at the point that they were published.

Putting them in a reading order at the point they were published might be tricky though, since hardly any of the other issues in the reading order are placed in publication order. On the other hand, there'll be a pretty wide window for placement of these flashback issues I would've thought.

Personally, I like my flashback issues placed strictly chronologically. I’m to anal for anything else! :tongue:

Super fun thread for the anally retentive. Like me!

There are some titles you don't have in on the list. Captain Britain, Runaways / Young Avengers, Thunderbolts She-Hulk, X-Factor, and Nova all have a distinct chronology to one another and should place nicely on the list. Incredible Hercules, Black Panther, Deadpool, and the tie-in minis for X-Men, and Thor could also go on the list, though I'm not sure where they would all place. Herc, BP, and DP all take place in isolated areas. Maybe there's evidence I missed.

Posting later tonight...

OK, cool...look forward to seeing what you can add. Are you one of those rich people that are collecting every tie-in? I ask because actually, we could really do with at least one person like that on this thread.

Gyroscope352

10-30-2008, 06:29 AM

Gyroscope352

10-30-2008, 06:44 AM

Bingo!

10-30-2008, 07:51 AM

Yeah, I guess it's just a matter of personal preference as to whether you want your flashback issues in strictly chronological order, as the events in the flashbacks happened or have them at the point that they were published.

Putting them in a reading order at the point they were published might be tricky though, since hardly any of the other issues in the reading order are placed in publication order. On the other hand, there'll be a pretty wide window for placement of these flashback issues I would've thought.

Personally, I like my flashback issues placed strictly chronologically. I’m to anal for anything else! :tongue:

OK, cool...look forward to seeing what you can add. Are you one of those rich people that are collecting every tie-in? I ask because actually, we could really do with at least one person like that on this thread.

Well, I wouldn't say rich, so much as obsessive :wink: Luckily all three chaps who live in my apartment are collecting Secret Invasion tie-ins. The only two titles we aren't picking up are Guardians of the Galaxy and New Warriors.

In terms of the ordering some of these tie-ins present a problem with finding a chronological placement. Tie-ins for X-Men take place shortly after Secret Invasion #1. But where to place the subsequent issues? Another problem I'm having is placing an issues that directly precede a Secret Invasion issue. SI: Thor obviously ends right before SI#4 where his silhouette makes a cameo at the end. Where to place the two previous issue of SI:Thor?

The following titles are sequential and read almost perfectly in the order given. The stories of three Skrulls are told: Nogor the Talisman posing as Longshot, Kl'rt the first super skrull, and his daughter Jazinda, She-Hulk's closet friend.

X-Factor 33
She-Hulk 31
X-Factor 34
Nova 16
She-Hulk 32
She-Hulk 33
Nova 17
Nova 18

The invasion doesn't clearly begin until Nova 17, where Rider's family is watching the Skrull broadcast which occurs in SI#5. Nova 16 shows the armada in space, but appears only to be maneuvering into battle positions. So, where to place all the previous issues?

Some titles have a point where their chronology corresponds to an event within a issue of Secret Invasion, but does not strictly fit an issue by issue line up. The stories contained in the are more supplementary to the invasion rather than essential to the main story. With that being said it feels best to create a Secret Invasion Satellite Stories reading order. Injecting many of these titles into the main SI reading order would make it bulky and cumbersome to follow.

Secret Invasion Satellite Stories:

X-Factor 33
She-Hulk 31
X-Factor 34
Nova 16
She-Hulk 32
She-Hulk 33
Nova 17
Nova 18 (occurs during or after SI#5)

Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
(#3 directly precedes events in SI#4)

(begins shortly after SI#1)
Secret Invasion X-Men #1
Secret Invasion X-Men #2
Secret Invasion X-Men #3

Thoughts?

The Confessor

10-30-2008, 12:19 PM

Wow, now that I really look at this, these reading orders are pretty different. I mean, they have almost completely opposite titles, but the few titles they do have in common do not really put them in the same place. Confessor, how do you feel about this guy's reading order?

One other question too: are all of the NA & MA issues flashbacks? Because you have some within the reading order, are those supposed to be happening within the timeline or what? Like, for the non-flashbacks, should I be putting them in the order you have as opposed to release order?

To answer your second question first, no...not all of the NA & MA titles are flashbacks. They alternate between flashback stories and stories that are taking place in the current Marvel universe. So, for example, New Avengers #44 is a flashback of the Skrulls trying to perfect a way for them to become undetectable and New Avengers #45 follows the Skrull Queen during the events of House Of M. New Avengers #41 and #43 on the other hand, follow the Avengers fighting Skrulls in the Savage Land. The same goes for Mighty Avengers too...some issues are flashbacks, some aren’t.

Basically, the issues of NA or MA in my reading order that are placed after New Avengers: Illuminati #5, are placed that way because they're happening in the present Marvel Universe.

With regards to your question about that other Reading Order....hmmmmm, it's certainly interesting. As previously stated, this guy's placed all the flashback issues in publishing order, so it's kind of hard to compare our two reading orders on a like for like basis.

However, there's a few glaring mistakes that I've spotted straight off the bat. Firstly, he's got Mighty Avengers #12 following Secret Invasion #1. Now, MA #12 is a bit of a peculiar issue because it's half flashback and half not. First we have a flashback sequence, where we get to see how Nick Fury first realised that the Skrulls were among us. The second half of the book is a conversation between Nick Fury and Spider-Woman that's set more or less in the current Marvel Universe. Regardless of that though, both stories clearly happen before Secret Invasion #1. Maybe he's counting this as a flashback issue though, so we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

His second mistake is that he's put Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 after Secret Invasion #2. Now, SI:FF #1 shows in a lot more detail the goings on inside the Baxter Building that were glimpsed in SI #1, so how he can surmise that it happens after SI #2, I don't know! That just doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me. Still, at least he's placed SI:FF #1 & #2 together, which corresponds with my list.

Unfortunately, I have another problem with his placing SI:FF #3 directly after SI:FF #2. At the end of SI:FF #3 we see The Thing and Johnny Storm looking out across the New York City skyline and it's pretty battle damaged, with a lot of smoke and destruction clearly visible. The big battle in Times Square doesn't really get started until Secret Invasion #3, so how can the New York skyline be all battle damaged and torn up before SI #3??? Again, this just doesn't make any sense to me.

SI:FF #1 and #2 obviously follow on from each other but there's an indeterminate amount of time between the end of #2 and the beginning of #3. That's why in my reading order SI:FF #3 takes place just after (or co-currently with) Secret Invasion #5. That way, there's been a lot of action in New York and the state of the city, as seen in SI:FF #3, corresponds nicely with the amount of fighting we've seen in the other books.

I must confess that I haven't examined this guy's reading order any further than that because those mistakes (especially the two SI: FF ones) are so obviously wrong that it makes me sceptical of his other placings...especially for the titles that I'm not reading.

I don't know, I don't mean to bash the guy, he's obviously put a lot of time into that list. At first glance though, his list looks more like a publishing order - like a checklist of what's come out so far. Are we absolutely sure that this is intended to be a reading order?

Gyroscope352

10-30-2008, 12:58 PM

To answer your second question first, no...not all of the NA & MA titles are flashbacks. They alternate between flashback stories and stories that are taking place in the current Marvel universe. So, for example, New Avengers #44 is a flashback of the Skrulls trying to perfect a way for them to become undetectable and New Avengers #45 follows the Skrull Queen during the events of House Of M. New Avengers #41 and #43 on the other hand, follow the Avengers fighting Skrulls in the Savage Land. The same goes for Mighty Avengers too...some issues are flashbacks, some aren’t.

Basically, the issues of NA or MA in my reading order that are placed after New Avengers: Illuminati #5, are placed that way because they're happening in the present Marvel Universe.

With regards to your question about that other Reading Order....hmmmmm, it's certainly interesting. As previously stated, this guy's placed all the flashback issues in publishing order, so it's kind of hard to compare our two reading orders on a like for like basis.

However, there's a few glaring mistakes that I've spotted straight off the bat. Firstly, he's got Mighty Avengers #12 following Secret Invasion #1. Now, MA #12 is a bit of a peculiar issue because it's half flashback and half not. First we have a flashback sequence, where we get to see how Nick Fury first realised that the Skrulls were among us. The second half of the book is a conversation between Nick Fury and Spider-Woman that's set more or less in the current Marvel Universe. Regardless of that though, both stories clearly happen before Secret Invasion #1. Maybe he's counting this as a flashback issue though, so we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

His second mistake is that he's put Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 after Secret Invasion #2. Now, SI:FF #1 shows in a lot more detail the goings on inside the Baxter Building that were glimpsed in SI #1, so how he can surmise that it happens after SI #2, I don't know! That just doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me. Still, at least he's placed SI:FF #1 & #2 together, which corresponds with my list.

Unfortunately, I have another problem with his placing SI:FF #3 directly after SI:FF #2. At the end of SI:FF #3 we see The Thing and Johnny Storm looking out across the New York City skyline and it's pretty battle damaged, with a lot of smoke and destruction clearly visible. The big battle in Times Square doesn't really get started until Secret Invasion #3, so how can the New York skyline be all battle damaged and torn up before SI #3??? Again, this just doesn't make any sense to me.

SI:FF #1 and #2 obviously follow on from each other but there's an indeterminate amount of time between the end of #2 and the beginning of #3. That's why in my reading order SI:FF #3 takes place just after (or co-currently with) Secret Invasion #5. That way, there's been a lot of action in New York and the state of the city, as seen in SI:FF #3, corresponds nicely with the amount of fighting we've seen in the other books.

I must confess that I haven't examined this guy's reading order any further than that because those mistakes (especially the two SI: FF ones) are so obviously wrong that it makes me sceptical of his other placings...especially for the titles that I'm not reading.

I don't know, I don't mean to bash the guy, he's obviously put a lot of time into that list. At first glance though, his list looks more like a publishing order - like a checklist of what's come out so far. Are we absolutely sure that this is intended to be a reading order?

You have pretty much answered all of my questions. All I needed was reasoning as to why his placements were wrong (even though I haven't read them so I can't agree or disagree), but the fact that you acknowledge his reading order at least makes you sure of your placements. So I'll just stick with yours for now.

Though now that my trust in this other order is broken, anyone have good placements for Thor, Young Avengers/Runaways, Deadpool, etc?

The Confessor

10-30-2008, 01:16 PM

In terms of the ordering some of these tie-ins present a problem with finding a chronological placement. Tie-ins for X-Men take place shortly after Secret Invasion #1. But where to place the subsequent issues?

I take it that when you say "X-Men" that you're just referring to the actual Secret Invasion: X-Men mini-series? Would you say that all four issues take place after Secret Invasion #1? Are there any events mentioned in this mini-series that are also shown in other books....because that might help us place them into the reading order accurately?

Another problem I'm having is placing an issues that directly precede a Secret Invasion issue. SI: Thor obviously ends right before SI#4 where his silhouette makes a cameo at the end. Where to place the two previous issue of SI:Thor?

Well, if SI:Thor #1 and #2 have absolutely no reference point to what's happening on Earth, then it's not too important where they go, as long that they're still close enough to SI:Thor #3 that they make sense when you read the whole story.

Do all three issues of SI:Thor run straight into each other? By that I mean, does the end of one issue segue directly into the beginning of the next (at the exact same moment in time) or is there an indeterminate amount of time between the issues? This info will help us place them more accurately.

The following titles are sequential and read almost perfectly in the order given. The stories of three Skrulls are told: Nogor the Talisman posing as Longshot, Kl'rt the first super skrull, and his daughter Jazinda, She-Hulk's closet friend.

X-Factor 33
She-Hulk 31
X-Factor 34
Nova 16
She-Hulk 32
She-Hulk 33
Nova 17
Nova 18

The invasion doesn't clearly begin until Nova 17, where Rider's family is watching the Skrull broadcast which occurs in SI#5. Nova 16 shows the armada in space, but appears only to be maneuvering into battle positions. So, where to place all the previous issues?

OK, if I remember correctly, the X-Factor and She-Hulk tie-ins run hand in hand and lead into each other, don't they? Like, at the end of an issue of X-Factor it says "continued in She-Hulk" or something similar, is that right?

If so, then I'm sure you're right that those comics you listed all read perfectly in the order you've listed. Again, my question to you would be, do all eight of these issues run straight into each other, with the end of one issue segueing directly into the beginning of the next?

Some titles have a point where their chronology corresponds to an event within a issue of Secret Invasion, but does not strictly fit an issue by issue line up. The stories contained in the are more supplementary to the invasion rather than essential to the main story. With that being said it feels best to create a Secret Invasion Satellite Stories reading order. Injecting many of these titles into the main SI reading order would make it bulky and cumbersome to follow.

You're absolutely right, there will be quite a few instances where events in the tie-ins are also shown in the main series....the same thing happened with the Civil War Reading Order that a bunch of us worked out. The thing to do in these instances is to place the tie-in that duplicates events shown in the main book as soon after the relevant issue of Secret Invasion as possible. After all, the Secret Invasion comic is the main book, so it makes sense in our reading order to have these events being shown for the first time in the main book.

For an example of this sort of thing happening in my reading order, look at how I've placed Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 directly after Secret Invasion #1. We first see the Skrulls attack the Baxter Building in SI #1 but then this scene is explored in much more detail in SI:FF #1. Personally, I think placing tie-ins in this way works pretty well.

To be honest, this sort of thing is going to happen in Secret Invasion even more than it did in Civil War because SI covers such a short period of time. Remember, from the Avengers leaving for the Savage Land right up to the big battle in Central Park has only been about a day and a half in Marvel Time!! A fact that was borne out by Secret Invasion: Front Line #4.

So, I don't think that we really need a "Secret Invasion Satellite Stories" reading order. If a book carries the "Secret Invasion" banner, we should be able to fit it into our reading order.

Thoughts? Disagreements?

The Confessor

10-30-2008, 01:24 PM

Though now that my trust in this other order is broken, anyone have good placements for Thor, Young Avengers/Runaways, Deadpool, etc?

Well, for the Thor placings, see my last post replying to Bingo!’s comments. We're kinda waiting on him to see what info he can provide.

As for Young Avengers/Runaways and Deadpool, at the moment I'm not sure there's anyone posting on this thread that is reading them. Hopefully someone out there will volunteer some suggestions though.

Alternatively, we could maybe try and find some spoiler laden, online synopses for these issues and try and figure out their placings from that?

The Confessor

10-30-2008, 01:33 PM

Just a small update to my reading order to incorporate Avengers Initiative #18 that came out this week.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7

Bingo!

10-30-2008, 04:38 PM

I take it that when you say "X-Men" that you're just referring to the actual Secret Invasion: X-Men mini-series? Would you say that all four issues take place after Secret Invasion #1? Are there any events mentioned in this mini-series that are also shown in other books....because that might help us place them into the reading order accurately?

The SI:X-Men tie-ins are the titles I'm referring to. I'll have to re-read the issues to see if there were any references to events outside of San Francisco. The only two reference points I can use right now are 1) The Skrull armada hovering above San Francisco (this corresponds the ships over NY in SI#1), and 2) When the Super Skrulls begin attacking (seen in SI#2). With those two events in mind:

SI:X-Men #1 occurs after Secret Invasion #1
SI:X-Men #2 occurs after Secret Invasion #2
SI:X-Men #3 occurs after SI:X-Men #2 and sometime after Secret Invasion #2, but doesn't necessarily correspond or occur after Secret Invasion #3

Well, if SI:Thor #1 and #2 have absolutely no reference point to what's happening on Earth, then it's not too important where they go, as long that they're still close enough to SI:Thor #3 that they make sense when you read the whole story.

Do all three issues of SI:Thor run straight into each other? By that I mean, does the end of one issue segue directly into the beginning of the next (at the exact same moment in time) or is there an indeterminate amount of time between the issues? This info will help us place them more accurately.
I believe there is a brief gap in time between SI:Thor #1 and SI:Thor #2, but they essentially all happen the same day as Secret Invasion #1. IIRC,

SI:Thor #1
SI:Thor #2
SI:Thor #3 occurs immediately after SI:Thor #2, and sometime shortly before SI#4. Thor's journey to New York is not seen, though he regains his Asgardian speech patterns again.
Secret Invasion #4 Thor appears in NYC supposedly right after the events in SI:Thor #3

OK, if I remember correctly, the X-Factor and She-Hulk tie-ins run hand in hand and lead into each other, don't they? Like, at the end of an issue of X-Factor it says "continued in She-Hulk" or something similar, is that right?

If so, then I'm sure you're right that those comics you listed all read perfectly in the order you've listed. Again, my question to you would be, do all eight of these issues run straight into each other, with the end of one issue segueing directly into the beginning of the next?

Yes, for the most part.

X-Factor 33, pt 1 of 3
She-Hulk 31, pt 2 of 3
X-Factor 34, pt 3 of 3
Nova 16 guest stars Kl'rt the Super Skrull who "ends" his partnership with Nova before flying down to earth. (My one pointt of reference to the invasion is that the Skrull armada is in Earth space. I'm not certain where in SI this takes place.)
She-Hulk 32 picks perfectly up where She-Hulk 31 and Nova 16 leave off.
She-Hulk 33 follows She-Hulk 32
Nova 17 Rider meets him parents who are watching the Skrull tv broadcast which happens in SI#5
Nova 18 occurs during or after SI#5

You're absolutely right, there will be quite a few instances where events in the tie-ins are also shown in the main series....the same thing happened with the Civil War Reading Order that a bunch of us worked out. The thing to do in these instances is to place the tie-in that duplicates events shown in the main book as soon after the relevant issue of Secret Invasion as possible. After all, the Secret Invasion comic is the main book, so it makes sense in our reading order to have these events being shown for the first time in the main book.

For an example of this sort of thing happening in my reading order, look at how I've placed Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 directly after Secret Invasion #1. We first see the Skrulls attack the Baxter Building in SI #1 but then this scene is explored in much more detail in SI:FF #1. Personally, I think placing tie-ins in this way works pretty well.

To be honest, this sort of thing is going to happen in Secret Invasion even more than it did in Civil War because SI covers such a short period of time. Remember, from the Avengers leaving for the Savage Land right up to the big battle in Central Park has only been about a day and a half in Marvel Time!! A fact that was borne out by Secret Invasion: Front Line #4.

So, I don't think that we really need a "Secret Invasion Satellite Stories" reading order. If a book carries the "Secret Invasion" banner, we should be able to fit it into our reading order.

Thoughts? Disagreements?
Satellite Stories sounds stupid in retrospect, but the concept might still be important. In Incredible Hercules which deals with the Sacred Invasion, I don't believe we ever see a reference point to Secret Invasion other than Earth gods deciding they need to make a preemptive strike against the Skrull gods, Kly'bn and Sl'gur't. This essentially makes Hercules a stand alone story that merely shows the severity of the Skrull's invasion and gives religious background on the Skrull's deities.

Incredible Hercules 117, pt 1 of 4, The Sacred Invasion
Incredible Hercules 118, pt 2
Incredible Hercules 119, pt 3
Incredible Hercules 120, pt 4

The Confessor

11-01-2008, 10:04 AM

OK, hold on to your hat....this is gonna be a looooooong post! :smile:

The SI:X-Men tie-ins are the titles I'm referring to. I'll have to re-read the issues to see if there were any references to events outside of San Francisco.

OK, cool...let me know when you've had another read of them, just in case we need to revise their positions in the reading order.

The only two reference points I can use right now are 1) The Skrull armada hovering above San Francisco (this corresponds the ships over NY in SI#1) and 2) When the Super Skrulls begin attacking (seen in SI#2).

Yes, I agree with you, the Skrull ships appearing over San Francisco would almost certainly be happening simultaneously with the ships appearing over New York and the same goes for the Super Skrulls attacking. However, the Skrull ships over New York doesn't happen until Secret Invasion #2...not issue #1, so I would say that both X-Men #1 and #2 should be placed after SI #2. Do you agree?

Also, I assume from what you've said that the Super Skrulls attacking is shown in X-Men #2, right? Let me know if that's wrong because it will affect the placing of X-Men #2 in the order.

Anyway, I think we should provisionally place the first two X-Men books into the reading order like this then...

SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
SECRET INVASION #3

What do you think of these placings? We're gonna need some more info about X-Men #3 to accurately place that comic though. Does the end of X-Men #2 segue directly into the beginning of X-Men #3 or is there an amount of time that passes between the two comics? While we're on the subject, how about the end of X-Men #1 and the beginning of #2, do they segue directly into each other?

I believe there is a brief gap in time between SI:Thor #1 and SI:Thor #2, but they essentially all happen the same day as Secret Invasion #1. IIRC,

Right, so Thor issue #1 appears to happen before the Skrull ships appear over New York/San Francisco then? I ask because as I mentioned above, this didn't happen until Secret Invasion #2.

SI:Thor #3[/B] occurs immediately after SI:Thor #2, and sometime shortly before SI#4. Thor's journey to New York is not seen, though he regains his Asgardian speech patterns again.
Secret Invasion #4 Thor appears in NYC supposedly right after the events in SI:Thor #3

Well, since they run straight into each other, I'm gonna suggest that Thor #2 and #3 should be placed next to each other in the reading order, like this maybe...

Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
SECRET INVASION #5

What do you think?

X-Factor 33, pt 1 of 3
She-Hulk 31, pt 2 of 3
X-Factor 34, pt 3 of 3
Nova 16 guest stars Kl'rt the Super Skrull who "ends" his partnership with Nova before flying down to earth. (My one point of reference to the invasion is that the Skrull armada is in Earth space. I'm not certain where in SI this takes place.)
She-Hulk 32 picks perfectly up where She-Hulk 31 and Nova 16 leave off.
She-Hulk 33 follows She-Hulk 32
Nova 17 Rider meets him parents who are watching the Skrull tv broadcast which happens in SI#5
Nova 18 occurs during or after SI#5

Hmmmm...ok, it sounds as if the five issues you've listed from Nova #16 through to Nova #18 are happening between SI#3 and SI#5. We get to see War Machine fighting with the Skrull armada out in space in Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33 and #34, which takes place between SI#3 and SI#4. However, Nova #17 and #18 should probably be placed nearer to SI#5 by the sound of it.

I know it's a pain, but could you possibly give us a little bit more info about exactly what happens in X-Factor #33, She-Hulk #31 and X-Factor #34? As always, references to events that are happening in the main SI book or other tie-ins are important.

In Incredible Hercules which deals with the Sacred Invasion, I don't believe we ever see a reference point to Secret Invasion other than Earth gods deciding they need to make a preemptive strike against the Skrull gods, Kly'bn and Sl'gur't.

Ah, so when you say a "pre-emptive strike", do you think that this means that the Incredible Hercules issues are set before the main Invasion seen in SI #1 takes place? It wouldn't be the first time a tie-in has been set pre-invasion...the Inhumans tie-ins seem to be set prior to the main thrust of the invasion as well (at least, it appears that way at the moment).

Sorry about all the questions I've asked, but if we're gonna get anal and obsessive about this reading order...
then let's get REALLY ANAL & OBSESSIVE!! :evilsmile: :biggrin:

Bingo!

11-01-2008, 10:54 AM

The Confessor

11-01-2008, 11:02 AM

Confessor, You're going to make those titles earn their placement, aren't you?

Let me give these titles a good reading again. I understand not wanting to place titles haphazardly on the reading list.

Ha ha...yes, yes I am. :evilsmile:

Thanks for being so cool. Let me know your thoughts when you've had a re-read of those issues. I'd like to think that we're all aiming for this thread being the "definitive" Secret Invasion Reading Order on the internet. :cool:

Gyroscope352

11-01-2008, 11:13 AM

Awesome job, Confessor. This is really coming together.

The Confessor

11-02-2008, 09:35 AM

While we're waiting for Bingo! to get back to us, after he's had a re-read of some of the tie-ins that he's getting but I'm not, I thought I'd do a little bit of online research into the exactly what happens in the first three issues of the Secret Invasion: X-Men title.

The first thing that immediately struck me is that X-Men #1 begins with a news report mentioning the Skrull broadcast (seen in SI #5) having just happened. So this must mean that SI:X-Men #1 takes place right after SI #5.

Here's a scan of the very first panel of X-Men #1...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/268/secretinvasionxmen1pg1hh8.jpg

So, it seems that the Skrull ships didn't appear over San Franscisco at the same time as they did over New York, but actually some hours later.

It also seems that the end of X-Men #1 segues straight into the beginning of X-Men #2, so I think placing these two issues together makes sense...straight after SI#5.

There appears to be an indeterminate amount of time between the end of X-Men #2 and the start of X-Men #3, although it's probably not very long because Emma Frost is preparing to telepathically knock out the Skrull "psi-wall" in issue #2 and actually attempts this in issue #3. So, I think placing SI:X-Men #3 just after Avengers Initiative #17 makes sense.

These placings I'm proposing, would make our reading order look like this...

SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6

So, what do folks think of this? Agree/Disagree?

I have to say, now I know exactly what happens in X-Men #1 - #3, I'm pretty confident in these placings but as always, I'm open to differing opinions.

hawkeye comeback

11-02-2008, 10:58 AM

i likes that more than the other one.

Gyroscope352

11-02-2008, 11:42 AM

Not reading X-Men, but looks like logical placement. However, are you sure this means that the Skrulls didn't touch down in San Francisco until after SI #5? And, if this is true, now that we know that does this affect placement of any other titles?

The Confessor

11-02-2008, 03:40 PM

are you sure this means that the Skrulls didn't touch down in San Francisco until after SI #5? And, if this is true, now that we know that does this affect placement of any other titles?

Well, the first "TV/Radio Voice" dialogue box in that panel I posted says that the "Skrull broadcast was followed by total silence from the East Coast. The word invasion is being used but so far we've seen no..." and I assume that sentence was going to end with something like "we've seen no sign of alien invaders".

The rest of the page shows the people of San Francisco going about their business and then suddenly, the Skrull ships appear in the sky overhead. The Skrulls start landing and that's when the X-Men appear to kick some Skrully ass! :smile:

My feeling is that the first dialogue box on page 1 of X-Men issue #1 is there to specifically give the issue some context with regard to the rest of the Marvel Universe. It's plain that the people of San Francisco have already seen the Skrull broadcast (from SI #5) because the local TV/Radio is talking about it, but at the point that X-Men #1 opens, they haven't seen any form of Skrull invasion themselves.

Remember, the difference in time between the events shown in SI#1 and those shown in SI#5 is only a few hours. So, it's not like the West Coast invasion is happening days or weeks later than the East Coast invasion, just a few hours later.

At the moment, I don't think this affects the placings of any other issues. The X-Men tie-ins seem to be fairly self-contained, so the events shown in these issues are probably happening simultaneously with events shown in SI:FF#1 or Avengers Initiative #17 for example.

Gyroscope352

11-02-2008, 05:07 PM

Cool, that's what I needed to know.

Okay, so I think it's time that I started contributing to this, even though I am waiting to read it. I have avoided most spoilers and have information to help you place YA/Runaways, Deadpool, and Thunderbolts. So here you go.

This started with the talk of San Fran, which made me think of the Runaways, since they're supposed to be from that area (L.A. actually), and whether their tie-in took place there or New York (which would shed light on it's placement). Turns out the Runaways/Young Avengers mini IS in New York, and all 3 issues take place one right after the other within the first 49 minutes of the invasion (so, #1 takes place when the skrulls first touch down, and the other two are in immediate succession). I'm not sure what that means for placement as I don't remember SI #1 and #2, but you can go ahead and put them in.

The Deadpool arc is pretty much self-contained aboard a Skrull ship. Since you know more about the whole event than I, this may help you plot-wise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool_(comics)#Secret_Invasion but it starts out with Skrulls touching down in an Atlanta Braves game, and ends with something about Norman Osborn intercepting data on how to kill the Skrull queen. This leads me to believe this might tell us something about the placement of Thunderbolts (or vice-versa), which I'll check in a second, but it looks like Deadpool can be placed anywhere we really want. I would say toward the beginning when all the Skrulls are touching down in NY and San Fran.

Okay, I just looked at Thunderbolts, and there doesn't seem to be anything about the Skrull Queen (though I was just skimming, but there also isn't any mention on the Wikipedia site, maybe it's in the main SI title, I wouldn't know) but I can tell you what happens in Thunderbolts. In the first issue (#122), the skrull Captain Marvel invades Thunderbolts mountain and they fight or something. In #123 & #124 (which take place right after #122), the Thunderbolts take the fight to Washington, D.C., where they fight skrulls that are invading the capital. #125 starts where #124 left off, but ends with the Thunderbolts joining the Avengers in Manhattan for a big showdown with a lot of skrulls, including a giant Hank Pym skrull (Thor is there, too, so I assume this is in SI #4 or later). I assume this battle takes place in the main SI title, and that this simultaneous with whatever issue that is. So, I would place them like this:

Thunderbolts #122
Thunderbolts #123
Thunderbolts #124
SI #4 or whatever it is in which this battle takes place
Thunderbolts #125

Hope all this helps.

EDIT: more info on Thunderbolts placing. The conversation between the skrull Mar-Vell and Osborn is the same as the one in SI #5, and the battle is in SI #6, so the placing will go like this:

Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion #5
Thunderbolts #123
Thunderbolts #124

Then, here's the kicker. The second half of Thunderbolts #125 is that battle with the skrulls, starting with the Thunderbolts touching down (in SI #6) and ending with Iron Man leaving the battlefield (first half of SI #7). So would you put them like this?:

Secret Invasion #6
Secret Invasion #7
Thunderbolts #125

This seems like the best way, though I am tempted to put Thun #125 in between the two, even though it has events happening at the beginning of SI 7. It's just Osborn's entrance and the "Avengers Assemble!" and the back and forth between fury and norman, and Iron Man and Thor before he takes off (word for word the same as in the SI issue) It just seems like putting it after SI #7 seems so late (especially since the whole first half of the issue takes place before SI 6), and sine more happens in SI 7 that is not depicted in Thun 125. But I guess it's about whether you want the last few panels of Thun 125 to give away something not that big that happens in SI 7. I lean toward the set up listed above, though I'm not happy about it. lol. It works well enough.

In the end, this gives us this:

YOUNG AVENGERS/RUNAWAYS:
I'd put these before ASM, because IIRC we see them in SI 2. I think they are more important to the main story than Jackpot and Menace are. Also, I hear the ASM issues blow. Thus we have:

Secret Invasion #2
SI: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
SI: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
SI: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
SI: Amazing Spider-Man #1
SI: Amazing Spider-Man #2...
and so on.

DEADPOOL:
#1, #2, and #3 all together, taking place wherever we really want, likely toward the beginning when all the skrulls are touching down on earth. The bit with Osborn at the end seems to not matter within SI as far as I can see. If you know something I don't then, let me know. I'll let you place these wherever you think is best.

THUNDERBOLTS:

Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion #6
Secret Invasion #7
Thunderbolts #125

Or something like that.

I know that was long-winded, and a lot of people don't care, but I figured that you, Confessor, and I could share this in our analness for continuity and timeline.

The Confessor

11-03-2008, 01:33 PM

Turns out the Runaways/Young Avengers mini IS in New York, and all 3 issues take place one right after the other within the first 49 minutes of the invasion (so, #1 takes place when the skrulls first touch down, and the other two are in immediate succession). I'm not sure what that means for placement as I don't remember SI #1 and #2, but you can go ahead and put them in.

OK, cool...all good information there. It doesn't surprise me that the Runaways/Young Avengers mini-series is set in New York because we've seen them fighting in Times Square in SI#3 and more recently, some of the team hanging out with Nick Fury in last week's Avengers: The Initiative #18.

YOUNG AVENGERS/RUNAWAYS:
I'd put these before ASM, because IIRC we see them in SI 2. I think they are more important to the main story than Jackpot and Menace are. Also, I hear the ASM issues blow.

LOL...well, I won't say "blow" but they're certainly not the best Spidey related stories I've ever read. Still, they’re an OK read and they do illustrate the destruction the Skrulls bring to New York quite well.

I agree with your placing of R/YA #1 after SI #2...from what I can find online, it sounds as if the YA/R are right there as soon as the Skrulls touch down. However, I feel that Mighty Avengers #18 should still be immediately after SI#2 because it ends with Nick Fury and his Catapillars seeing the Skrulls land in Times Square on the news.

YA/R #2 should probably follow #1 because there's a cliff-hanger between these two issues. So, again I agree with you.

As for R/YA #3, how about putting it between SI:ASM #1 and #2? There is a bit of a cliff-hanger at the end of SI:ASM #1 but I feel that we could cut away and rejoin the YA/R for an issue at this point and then zip back to what's going on with Jackpot and the staff of the DB.

So, it would look like this...

SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
SI: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
SI: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
SI: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

What do you reckon?

Actually...I've just spotted a problem. We see some of the Young Avengers fighting in Times Square in Avengers: The Initiative #15...so, I think we might need to move this particular issue to an earlier position. Maybe not though...at the end of the YA/R mini-series, where are the Young Avengers like Patriot and Wiccan? Are they still fighting Skrulls in Times Square? If so, then it’s cool leaving Avengers: The Initiative #15 where it is.

The Deadpool arc is pretty much self-contained aboard a Skrull ship.

It starts out with Skrulls touching down in an Atlanta Braves game, and ends with something about Norman Osborn intercepting data on how to kill the Skrull queen. This leads me to believe this might tell us something about the placement of Thunderbolts (or vice-versa), which I'll check in a second, but it looks like Deadpool can be placed anywhere we really want. I would say toward the beginning when all the Skrulls are touching down in NY and San Fran.

Well, with what you've said and information I've gleaned online, I get the impression that the Skrull invasion of the baseball game is happening maybe just slightly later than the landing in Times Square but not by much. I'm thinking it would fit nicely directly after SI #3.

The bulk of Deapool #2 seems to be happening a few hours later than issue #1. The Skrulls transport Deadpool to Cheyenne Mountain to analyse him and there's obviously an indeterminate amount of time between the Skrulls knocking him out and his appearance at Cheyenne Mountain.

Apparently, there's a cameo of Nick Fury at the end of issue #2, does this give us any clues as to when this issue is set Gyroscope352? What does Fury say and where is Fury when he appears?

At the moment, I tentatively suggest putting Deadpool #2 after Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34 and Deadpool #3 straight after that.

Also, I assume that the goings on in Deadpool #3 are still set within Cheyenne Mountain, which is obviously some kind of Skrull base? Is that right?

In the first issue (#122), the skrull Captain Marvel invades Thunderbolts mountain and they fight or something.

Which we also see in SI #1. As I understand it, most of this issue is a set up for the scene of Captain Marvel invading Thunderbolts Mountain and we don't actually see anything beyond what we've already seen in SI #1. If that's correct, I suggest putting Thunderbolts #122 just before SI #1 and after the “Who Do You Trust?” one-shot.

In #123 & #124 (which take place right after #122), the Thunderbolts take the fight to Washington, D.C., where they fight skrulls that are invading the capital.

Apparently, the start of TB #123 contains a scene that also appears at the very start of SI#5, so it will have to go right before that book I feel. I know it's a long way from the previous issue but this is a problem caused by all the Secret Invasion issues and tie-ins being set in such a short window of time.

Thunderbolts #124 would work well after SI:FF #3 in our reading order.

The second half of Thunderbolts #125 is that battle with the skrulls, starting with the Thunderbolts touching down (in SI #6) and ending with Iron Man leaving the battlefield (first half of SI #7).

I am tempted to put Thun #125 in between the two, even though it has events happening at the beginning of SI 7.

Yes, I agree...lets put TB #125 between SI #6 and SI #7. The big battle isn't seen until the end of SI #6 anyway, so I feel it's OK to have TB #125 after it but before SI #7.

So, the Thunderbolts placings would look like this...

Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7

What do think of these positions?

I know that was long-winded, and a lot of people don't care, but I figured that you, Confessor, and I could share this in our analness for continuity and timeline.

Don't worry...there was some great info there Gyroscope352. That's a really big help. Obviously, this info has raised some new questions but it's also allowed us to place quite a few issues with reasonable certainty I feel.

Phew! I tell you what, this post has taken me just over 2 hours to write, due to having to look through my Secret Invasion collection or online so many times.

F**k me, this is all getting pretty complicated! :confused: Still, we're definitely making progress and that's the main thing. :smile:

Gyroscope352

11-03-2008, 11:47 PM

As for R/YA #3, how about putting it between SI:ASM #1 and #2? There is a bit of a cliff-hanger at the end of SI:ASM #1 but I feel that we could cut away and rejoin the YA/R for an issue at this point and then zip back to what's going on with Jackpot and the staff of the DB. . . What do you reckon?

Sounds good to me.

Actually...I've just spotted a problem. We see some of the Young Avengers fighting in Times Square in Avengers: The Initiative #15...so, I think we might need to move this particular issue to an earlier position. Maybe not though...at the end of the YA/R mini-series, where are the Young Avengers like Patriot and Wiccan? Are they still fighting Skrulls in Times Square? If so, then it’s cool leaving Avengers: The Initiative #15 where it is.

This is good. The mini takes place, like I said, within the first hour of the battle in Times Square. At the end of the mini, the Young Avengers (and I think the Runaways too) say they need to go back to Times Square and continue fighting.

Well, with what you've said and information I've gleaned online, I get the impression that the Skrull invasion of the baseball game is happening maybe just slightly later than the landing in Times Square but not by much. I'm thinking it would fit nicely directly after SI #3.

The bulk of Deapool #2 seems to be happening a few hours later than issue #1. The Skrulls transport Deadpool to Cheyenne Mountain to analyse him and there's obviously an indeterminate amount of time between the Skrulls knocking him out and his appearance at Cheyenne Mountain.

Apparently, there's a cameo of Nick Fury at the end of issue #2, does this give us any clues as to when this issue is set Gyroscope352? What does Fury say and where is Fury when he appears?

At the moment, I tentatively suggest putting Deadpool #2 after Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34 and Deadpool #3 straight after that.

Also, I assume that the goings on in Deadpool #3 are still set within Cheyenne Mountain, which is obviously some kind of Skrull base? Is that right?

Fury appears on-screen in a communication room within Cheyenne Mountain. I don't think there's any way to really tell where he is. All we know is that Fury has hired Deadpool to infiltrate the mountain and get some data for him. We see him quite a bit in #3 though, too, so it’s not just the one-panel cameo in #2.

Your placing sounds good. Yes, the third issue takes place right after the second and is in the mountain base.

Which we also see in SI #1. As I understand it, most of this issue is a set up for the scene of Captain Marvel invading Thunderbolts Mountain and we don't actually see anything beyond what we've already seen in SI #1. If that's correct, I suggest putting Thunderbolts #122 just before SI #1 and after the “Who Do You Trust?” one-shot.

Apparently, the start of TB #123 contains a scene that also appears at the very start of SI#5, so it will have to go right before that book I feel. I know it's a long way from the previous issue but this is a problem caused by all the Secret Invasion issues and tie-ins being set in such a short window of time.

Thunderbolts #124 would work well after SI:FF #3 in our reading order.

Yes, I agree...lets put TB #125 between SI #6 and SI #7. The big battle isn't seen until the end of SI #6 anyway, so I feel it's OK to have TB #125 after it but before SI #7.

So, the Thunderbolts placings would look like this...

Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers Initiative #17
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7

What do think of these positions?

The beginning part with Captain Marvel is more detailed in the Thunderbolts book, we only see a panel of him in SI #1, and we see the rest of the fight in SI #3 (which is all taking place at once basically – mere minutes are passing between SI #1 and SI #3). BUT, since, like you said, most of the book was a set-up, I think that placement before SI #1 works. However, I think I’m going to officially disagree with you on #123 – I’d put it even farther away (I know) because I think I’d read SI #5 before the Thunderbolts issue. Since the scene in both issues is at the beginning of both issues, I’d put #123 after since SI is the main title. So, as far as the order above, I’d switch the placements of 123 and 5 and leave it like that.

Don't worry...there was some great info there Gyroscope352. That's a really big help. Obviously, this info has raised some new questions but it's also allowed us to place quite a few issues with reasonable certainty I feel.

Phew! I tell you what, this post has taken me just over 2 hours to write, due to having to look through my Secret Invasion collection or online so many times.

F**k me, this is all getting pretty complicated! :confused: Still, we're definitely making progress and that's the main thing. :smile:

I know, mine took a while too. This Thunderbolts stuff especially is difficult since it is REALLY entwined with SI, and they contain a lot of the same scenes. But it is really coming together! Just keep pluggin' away.

And now I'm having even more trouble with how to fit these flashback issues into a reading order that treats them as flashbacks. It's difficult, much moreso than the way you have it. Ugh...

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 06:53 AM

This is good. The mini takes place, like I said, within the first hour of the battle in Times Square. At the end of the mini, the Young Avengers (and I think the Runaways too) say they need to go back to Times Square and continue fighting.

Ah, brilliant! So, we can keep Avengers: The Initiative #15 where it is. That's cool.

Fury appears on-screen in a communication room within Cheyenne Mountain. I don't think there's any way to really tell where he is. All we know is that Fury has hired Deadpool to infiltrate the mountain and get some data for him. We see him quite a bit in #3 though, too, so it’s not just the one-panel cameo in #2.

Your placing sounds good. Yes, the third issue takes place right after the second and is in the mountain base.

OK, we'll keep the Deadpool issues where they are then.

However, I think I’m going to officially disagree with you on #123 – I’d put it even farther away (I know) because I think I’d read SI #5 before the Thunderbolts issue. Since the scene in both issues is at the beginning of both issues, I’d put #123 after since SI is the main title. So, as far as the order above, I’d switch the placements of 123 and 5 and leave it like that.

Hmmmm...OK, I suppose it doesn't make that much difference. My only reason for placing Thunderbolts #123 between SI #4 and SI #5 was that since the scene with Norman Osborn and Captain Marvel appears right at the start of SI #5, it obviously took place before the bulk of what we see in the rest of SI #5.

So, in our reading order, we would see Thor appear in New York at the end of SI #4...then cut away to catch up with The Thunderbolts who go to Washington DC during their issue, after the Osborn/Marvel scene. Then we leave the Thunderbolts while they're in Washington DC and go back to SI #5, which starts with a recap of the Osborn/Marvel conversation that we saw earlier.

I'm OK with placing Thunderbolts #123 after SI #5 though. As I say, it doesn't really make too much difference.

And now I'm having even more trouble with how to fit these flashback issues into a reading order that treats them as flashbacks. It's difficult, much moreso than the way you have it. Ugh...

Oh, so your going to put the flashbacks within the story as flashbacks in your own personal reading order? Ha ha...good luck!

Mind you, if you're having them placed as flashbacks (which is how they were intended, let's be honest), it shouldn't matter too much where you put them within reason. Maybe that other guy's reading order list on the “Avengers Assemble” forums might be useful to you, he seems to be placing the flashback issues as actual flashbacks as well.

Gyroscope352

11-04-2008, 07:07 AM

Mind you, if you're having them placed as flashbacks (which is how they were intended, let's be honest), it shouldn't matter too much where you put them within reason. Maybe that other guy's reading order list on the “Avengers Assemble” forums might be useful to you, he seems to be placing the flashback issues as actual flashbacks as well.

Yeah, it's just hard because half are flashbacks and half aren't...and the Mighty Avengers ones that take place within Secret Invasion (18 and 19?) came out so much later than they took place, it feels like they're supposed to be a flashback but also kind of not so I don't know where to put them. Also, were I to put them chronologically, then I'd have 18 and 19 next to issues, like, 14 and 15, so they'd be out of order and my analness will have none of that. Perhaps I will just keep them where they are.

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 07:07 AM

OK, so here's an update of our reading order, with the X-Men, Deadpool, Runaways/Young Avengers and Thunderbolts issues included. New additions are in red.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
SECRET INVASION #4
SECRET INVASION #5
Thunderbolts #123
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7

Gyroscope352

11-04-2008, 07:09 AM

You forgot Thor.

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 07:16 AM

Also, were I to put them chronologically, then I'd have 18 and 19 next to issues, like, 14 and 15, so they'd be out of order and my analness will have none of that.

Well, to be fair though, the New Avengers/Mighty Avengers numbering is all over the place in the strictly chronological Reading Order we've got here as well, so I wouldn't sweat it about the actual numbering of the comics. It's more important to arrange them in a smooth reading order that makes for a totally satisfying reading of the entire saga.

While we're on the subject of Analness, I've spotted something else that bothers me about placing Thunderbolts #123 after SI #5. This placing puts it right next to X-Men #1, in which we hear that the West Coast has seen the Skrull broadcast from SI #5. Obviously, the Skrull broadcast happened after the Osborn/Marvel conversation, so the placing of TB #123 and X-Men #1 works in that respect but still...

Oh, I don't know...maybe I'm just over analysising it now. :confused:

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 07:17 AM

You forgot Thor.

I didn't think we had a definitive order worked out for that yet? We are still waiting on Bingo! to re-read them aren't we?

Gyroscope352

11-04-2008, 07:18 AM

Well, to be fair though, the New Avengers/Mighty Avengers numbering is all over the place in the strictly chronological Reading Order we've got here as well, so I wouldn't sweat it about the actual numbering of the comics. It's more important to arrange them in a smooth reading order that makes for a totally satisfying reading of the entire saga.

While we're on the subject of Analness, I've spotted something else that bothers me about placing Thunderbolts #123 after SI #5. This placing puts it right next to X-Men #1, in which we hear that the West Coast has seen the Skrull broadcast from SI #5. Obviously, the Skrull broadcast happened after the Osborn/Marvel conversation, so the placing of TB #123 and X-Men #1 works in that respect but still...

Oh, I don't know...maybe I'm just over analysising it now. :confused:

I mean, you can put it wherever you wanted, it was just a suggestion, lol. I'm going to keep it where it is, because that's where I like it, and I'm not reading X-Men either so it doesn't matter. But if you think it's better in between, I see where you're coming from and have real problem with it. It may very well be better there for the all-encompassing reading order.

I didn't think we had a definitive order worked out for that yet? We are still waiting on Bingo! to re-read them aren't we?

Ah, okay. I didn't realize.

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 07:21 AM

I mean, you can put it wherever you wanted, it was just a suggestion, lol. I'm going to keep it where it is, because that's where I like it, and I'm not reading X-Men either so it doesn't matter. But if you think it's better in between, I see where you're coming from and have real problem with it. It may very well be better there for the all-encompassing reading order.

Well, let's leave it where it is for now but earmark it for possible re-alocation at a later date, depending on where other issues yet to be released might end up.

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 07:23 AM

So, Bingo! is hopefully re-reading Thor, the X-Factor/She-Hulk issues and the Nova comics to better place those. What other titles are we missing from our reading order?

Gyroscope352

11-04-2008, 07:32 AM

So, Bingo! is hopefully re-reading Thor, the X-Factor/She-Hulk issues and the Nova comics to better place those. What other titles are we missing from our reading order?

None that I'm reading, but looking at the checklist it seems we are missing:

Incredible Hercules
Captain Britain and MI:13
Black Panther
New Warriors
Guardians of the Galaxy
Punisher War Journal

Good luck finding someone that's reading these...lol

The Confessor

11-04-2008, 07:43 AM

None that I'm reading, but looking at the checklist it seems we are missing:

Incredible Hercules
Captain Britain and MI:13
Black Panther
New Warriors
Guardians of the Galaxy
Punisher War Journal

Good luck finding someone that's reading these...lol

Well, I bought the first issue of Captain Britain and MI:13 before deciding it wasn't my cup of tea, so I kinda know roughly where that starts. I also hear that the Black Panther tie-ins are kind of tenuous at best...I think I'm right in saying that the first Black Panther SI tie-in had one Skrull in just one panel or something! :confused:

As an aside Gyroscope352, I notice from your signature that you're reading Thor, what are your thoughts on where they should go in our Reading Order?

Gyroscope352

11-04-2008, 08:09 AM

As an aside Gyroscope352, I notice from your signature that you're reading Thor, what are your thoughts on where they should go in our Reading Order?

I have not read the SI mini, but I'm looking at it now and here's what I see:

Thor #1 definitely takes place before the invasion starts. The skrulls touch down on earth in the last panel, but the rest of it is them talking about how skrulls are on their way to earth. You can do with this what you like; I think I'm going to place it right before Runaways/Young Avengers #1, before we get too involved in the Times Square battle with R/YA and ASM. #2 and #3 can go where we've been talking about, together, right before SI #4.

Gyroscope352

11-04-2008, 05:40 PM

Okay, some new developments you may or may not care about.

I remembered that there were a few exclusively digital comics on Marvel.com for this event, so I looked them up. Haven't read through them all the way, so they might suck, but they're there so I thought I would suggest placements for them if anyone cares.

The one that I remembered was the Secret Invasion: Prologue that was free for awhile. Turns out it's not now, but you can find it in the digital comics if you're a subscriber. It basically is a quick 8 page story about Dum Dum getting replaced. Pretty good stuff, written by bendis and art by Yu. Takes place shortly after Captain America is assasinaetd.

Then there was this weird SI: Home Invasion series based off those MySpace videos Marvel used to market Secret Invasion. http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3063.Free!_Read_Secret_Invasion~colon ~_Home_Invasion

Haven't watched the videos, so don't blame me if it ends up being the dumbest thing you've ever seen.

Secret Invasion: Home Invasion is free on Marvel.com. Also haven't read it besides zipping through for placement clues, so again don't blame me. HI #1 could go after Thor #1? somewhere in there. HI #1 is its own story but ends with the skrulls touching down. HI #2 has to go after the YA issues, since they play a pretty prominent role. HI #3 would have to be after SI #4, since the scene where Fury and his crew enter is in it. HI #4 is also in between SI #4 and SI #5 because it is before Fury leaves the scene. HI #5 and HI #6 have no clues really where they take place, there's even an indeterminate amount of time in between the issues. HI #7 has Heroes for Hire in it (I think), if that's any clue. And the rest of the issues aren't out yet. So there's that. And I'm glad this only took like 5 minutes to check, because no one's probably going to care (and I'm not sure that they should - this stuff makes me suspicious like someone giving you a free jug of milk that you don't know how old it is).

Random little post because I am addicted to creating reading orders.

Make Mine Mar-Vell

11-04-2008, 07:35 PM

I think the Kree-Skrull War pretty much covers it all in one fell swoop unless you just want to get more Captain Marvel material which in that case just get the trade of "The Life and Death of Captain Marvel".

Skrull wise, I suppose the Super Skrull Annihilation mini had the most skrull related stuff with a bit of the Silver Surfer mini series which shows planets full of skrulls dead.

I respectfully and strongly disagree.

The Captain Marvel mini series was an excellent series, especially in the art department. Weeks was at his peak, combining modern styles and iconic retro styles with his own flare...and from what I know of him, is a true gentleman in real life as well.

However, to each his own, but this storyline was bailed out on for reasons unknown (citing the sudden change from time traveler to Skrull-Kree hybrid that backfired on them), the fan turnout was actually much higher than seemingly expected and there are fans who are not happy about this, you can see the bailout between 4 and 5 of the series if you look closely.

Captain Marvel, the real Mar-Vell, not a replacement, as it was billed shockingly did well with a younger generation, makes you wonder what the point of it was. It's as if "someone" didn't want it to succeed. Who knows? Perhaps they underestimated the character's worth, it would not be something that hasn't happened before. The character works better now than in it's trailblazing days of early Marvel, such a waste. The sad part is that it will be written off as "aw, they should have never done it to begin with", when the truth is, they just should have and should still do it right.

Perhaps someone will take note of this, the still forgotten Marvel icon.

Not bad for a guy who hasn't had a new non retconned comic hit the stands in 28 years.

In Marvel Graphic Novel #1, Starlin's "The Death of Captain Marvel", it is blatantly obvious his spiritual/astral form (however you wish to describe it) was seperated from the physical body before the point of bodily death. Re-read it. It's there. This would also explain the many appearances of mar-Vell in some in between life and death role throughout the years. For some reason it would seem, this fictional character refuses to die, and given the apex of talent in comics now combined with the real life people who fight and are having more and more success with cancer, it would make sense that a character like this could have as big and even more inspiriational effect on the reader in life than even in death.

Of course this is all interpretive, but it is there.

Marvel dropped the ball here, Mar-Vell could be a goldmine waiting to happen.

Thanks for listening.

Kindest regards*

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 08:09 AM

Thor #1 definitely takes place before the invasion starts. The skrulls touch down on earth in the last panel, but the rest of it is them talking about how skrulls are on their way to earth.

I know this is gonna sound like a dumb question (after all, you're the one who actually owns issue #1), but are you sure that the final panel shows the Skrulls touching down on earth and not touching down in Asgard? I ask because a number of online reviews seem to indicate that the issue ends with the beginning of a battle in Asguard rather than Earth.

I think I'm going to place it right before Runaways/Young Avengers #1, before we get too involved in the Times Square battle with R/YA and ASM.

Well, assuming that it is Earth that we see the Skrulls touch down on, it sounds as if your placing of Thor #1, straight after SI #2 is about right. I'm gonna place it directly after SI #2 but before Mighty Avengers #18, which ends with Nick Fury and his Caterpillars seeing the breaking news coverage of the Invasion on TV.

#2 and #3 can go where we've been talking about, together, right before SI #4.

Yes, agreed.

Gyroscope352

11-05-2008, 08:16 AM

I know this is gonna sound like a dumb question (after all, you're the one who actually owns issue #1), but are you sure that the final panel shows the Skrulls touching down on earth and not touching down in Asgard? I ask because a number of online reviews seem to indicate that the issue ends with the beginning of a battle in Asguard rather than Earth.

Uh, Asgard is on Earth from what I recall. Unless I missed some crucial point of the main series in which it moved, Asgard is in Oklahoma.

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 08:31 AM

I remembered that there were a few exclusively digital comics on Marvel.com for this event, so I looked them up.

The one that I remembered was the Secret Invasion: Prologue that was free for awhile. Turns out it's not now, but you can find it in the digital comics if you're a subscriber. It basically is a quick 8 page story about Dum Dum getting replaced. Pretty good stuff, written by bendis and art by Yu. Takes place shortly after Captain America is assasinaetd.

Good call on the digital comic tie-ins, I'd forgotten about those.

OK, well if Secret Invasion: Prologue takes place shortly after the assassination of Captain America, I suggest placing it after Mighty Abvengers #15 and before Mighty Avengers #17. Most of MA #15 tells the story of Hank Pym getting replaced by a Skrull, which is apparently happening at the same time as the Raft Prison "Breakout", which pre-dates the Civil War and Cap's death.

However, the epilogue of NA #15 takes place some months later and shows a secret meeting of all the Skrull impostors and Dum Dum Dugan is there, so he's obviously been replaced by a Skrull by this point. So, in effect the Secret Invasion: Prologue digital comic must take place after the main bulk of NA #15 but before the short epilogue in the last few pages of that issue. With this in mind, I think it's probably best to place it after NA #15.

What do you think?

Then there was this weird SI: Home Invasion series based off those MySpace videos Marvel used to market Secret Invasion.

HI #1 could go after Thor #1? somewhere in there. HI #1 is its own story but ends with the skrulls touching down. HI #2 has to go after the YA issues, since they play a pretty prominent role. HI #3 would have to be after SI #4, since the scene where Fury and his crew enter is in it. HI #4 is also in between SI #4 and SI #5 because it is before Fury leaves the scene. HI #5 and HI #6 have no clues really where they take place, there's even an indeterminate amount of time in between the issues. HI #7 has Heroes for Hire in it (I think), if that's any clue. And the rest of the issues aren't out yet.

Hmmm...OK, I'll take a look at these HI issues and get back to you on this. In the meantime, I'm gonna ask you a question....Do you really think we should include the HI stuff in our reading order? Isn't it just marketing material? Is it even proper Marvel Universe cannon?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't include it but just wonder how much of a legitimate part of SI it really is.

Thoughts?

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 08:35 AM

Uh, Asgard is on Earth from what I recall. Unless I missed some crucial point of the main series in which it moved, Asgard is in Oklahoma.

LOL...Oh, OK. I'm showing my ignorance here. I'm not much of a Thor fan to be honest and had always assumed that Asgard was a mythical, magical realm that was sort of in another dimension or something.

Since it's on Earth, then I definitely agree with your placing of SI: Thor #1 after SI #2.

Gyroscope352

11-05-2008, 08:43 AM

Good call on the digital comic tie-ins, I'd forgotten about those.

OK, well if Secret Invasion: Prologue takes place shortly after the assassination of Captain America, I suggest placing it after Mighty Abvengers #15 and before Mighty Avengers #17. Most of MA #15 tells the story of Hank Pym getting replaced by a Skrull, which is apparently happening at the same time as the Raft Prison "Breakout", which pre-dates the Civil War and Cap's death.

However, the epilogue of NA #15 takes place some months later and shows a secret meeting of all the Skrull impostors and Dum Dum Dugan is there, so he's obviously been replaced by a Skrull by this point. So, in effect the Secret Invasion: Prologue digital comic must take place after the main bulk of NA #15 but before the short epilogue in the last few pages of that issue. With this in mind, I think it's probably best to place it after NA #15.

What do you think?

First of all, I'm going to assume in that second paragraph you meant "MA" instead of "NA." Also, I have not read these issues, nor am I placing flashbacks in chronological order. So I will be reading the prologue right before either SI #1 or the Who Do You Trust? one-shot. And, I mean, it does say "several weeks ago," so it's like an in-book flashback. You can do with it what you want, but I think you're on your own with it. Shouldn't be difficult though.

Hmmm...OK, I'll take a look at these HI issues and get back to you on this. In the meantime, I'm gonna ask you a question....Do you really think we should include the HI stuff in our reading order? Isn't it just marketing material? Is it even proper Marvel Universe cannon?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't include it but just wonder how much of a legitimate part of SI it really is.

Thoughts?

Short answer: I don't know. That's why I asked your opinion as well.

Long answer: I think that the MySpace videos and all that were marketing material, but the digital comics, I BELIEVE, were meant to be canon. I even think they're coming out in TPB form at some point. Oddly, since it's such a strange case, the deciding factor for me would be if they are any good. I mean, yeah, printed comics can be not-so-hot too (case in point: the ASM tie-in, some might say) but since we have no good way of deciding what should and should not go into the order, I just know that I would only read it if it were remotely worth reading. I haven't heard much about it, though. I haven't heard bad things, the things I've seen have been generally positive/neutral kind of sort of but again there's not much. Perhaps give it a read if you need further convincing one way or the other?

But I think it's technically supposed to be canon.

LOL...Oh, OK. I'm showing my ignorance here. I'm not much of a Thor fan to be honest and had always assumed that Asgard was a mythical, magical realm that was sort of in another dimension or something.

Since it's on Earth, then I definitely agree with your placing of SI: Thor #1 after SI #2.

lol, don't worry. IIRC, Asgard always was a mythical, magical realm that was sort of in another dimension or something. I didn't really start reading Thor until now, so I'm not positive. But I do know in the new series, Asgard is in the middle of Oklahoma. Which is actually kind of funny.

Also, as a side note, I'm thinking I'm going to post my reading order at some point on this thread (maybe in a different color or something so people realize it's different...) for those who, like me, want to read the flashbacks as they were originally meant but with everything else in order. So I'll be stealing your reading order as the base, if that's alright with you. Crap! Not right now though cuz I gotta go to class. Which isn't to say I won't be on the forum ;-) but I won't have my comics in front of me.

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 09:05 AM

First of all, I'm going to assume in that second paragraph you meant "MA" instead of "NA."

Yes, I did mean "MA". Oops!

Also, I have not read these issues, nor am I placing flashbacks in chronological order. So I will be reading the prologue right before either SI #1 or the Who Do You Trust? one-shot. And, I mean, it does say "several weeks ago," so it's like an in-book flashback. You can do with it what you want, but I think you're on your own with it. Shouldn't be difficult though.

OK, I'm gonna place it in the "non-flashback" Reading Order where I suggested then.

I think that the MySpace videos and all that were marketing material, but the digital comics, I BELIEVE, were meant to be canon. I even think they're coming out in TPB form at some point.

But I think it's technically supposed to be canon.

OK, fair enough...let's include them then. I'll have a read of them and get back to you on what I think about placings for them, but your suggestions for placings for these digital comics sound pretty logical to me.

lol, don't worry. IIRC, Asgard always was a mythical, magical realm that was sort of in another dimension or something. I didn't really start reading Thor until now, so I'm not positive. But I do know in the new series, Asgard is in the middle of Oklahoma. Which is actually kind of funny.

Yeah...I'm pretty sure it always used to be a magical, otherworldly realm in the old days. The only Thor comics I own and have ever read are a few Silver Age issues of Journey Into Mystery from the early 1960s. In those, I'm almost positive (without actually digging them out) that Asgard is in another dimension. IIRC Thor reaches Asgard via a Rainbow Bridge. :cool:

Also, as a side note, I'm thinking I'm going to post my reading order at some point on this thread (maybe in a different color or something so people realize it's different...) for those who, like me, want to read the flashbacks as they were originally meant but with everything else in order. So I'll be stealing your reading order as the base, if that's alright with you.

No, that's absolutely fine with me. Good idea! Having both a "without flashbacks" and a "with flashbacks" reading order means that there's something in this thread for everyone...regardless of how folks prefer to order their comics.

Gyroscope352

11-05-2008, 09:12 AM

Yeah...I'm pretty sure it always used to be a magical, otherworldly realm in the old days. The only Thor comics I own and have ever read are a few Silver Age issues of Journey Into Mystery from the early 1960s. In those, I'm almost positive (without actually digging them out) that Asgard is in another dimension. IIRC Thor reaches Asgard via a Rainbow Bridge. :cool:.

lol! I don't know much about old comics, as I am only 20 years old...and have been reading comics for only 6 years, but I totally remember the Rainbow Bridge from reading Avengers #1. I wish I had a Rainbow Bridge...

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 09:14 AM

Here's another small update to the chronological reading order, to include the SI: Thor issues and the digital SI: Prologue comic.

As ever, all placings are tentative at this point (we won't really know until the whole event is over)

NOTE: The flashback issues have all been placed chronologically at the point when the events depicted in these issues actually happened.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
SECRET INVASION #5
Thunderbolts #123
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 09:17 AM

lol! I don't know much about old comics, as I am only 20 years old...and have been reading comics for only 6 years, but I totally remember the Rainbow Bridge from reading Avengers #1. I wish I had a Rainbow Bridge...

Ahhh...Avengers #1, a truly classic comic. I'm a bit older than you but still too young to have been alive when those old Silver Age comics came out, but I sure do love me some classic Silver Age goodness. :smile:

Gyroscope352

11-05-2008, 09:22 AM

Ahhh...Avengers #1, a truly classic comic. I'm a bit older than you but still too young to have been alive when those old Silver Age comics came out, but I sure do love me some classic Silver Age goodness. :smile:

Not to get too off topic:biggrin: but I am just learning to like the Silver Age comics. I just started making my way through all of Amazing Spider-Man, starting with the first issue and planning to go all the way up to JMS' run when I started reading. I'm about 25 issues in. It takes a bit of getting used to, and especially when you start that early you have to wait a few issues for Stan to get into a groove, but then they end up being pretty good. I can't wait to get past the 60s though and move on to the 70s and 80s. That's the good stuff.

Gyroscope352

11-05-2008, 09:49 AM

Hey guys, here's my reading order. The difference between mine and The Confessor's is that in mine, the flashbacks that reveal what the Skrulls have been up to (usually in Mighty Avengers and New Avengers issues) are not in chronological order, but in the reading order originally intended by Marvel. Also, there are a few other different placements that lend themselves more to this style of reading order (that is, dealing with reveals after they have been "revealed" in the main title, e.g. the movement of Avengers: Initiative #14 to after SI #1, since the Pym reveal was in SI #1. Also, I left out the infiltration issues since in my boxes, my reading order is a bit different, as they are dependent on the other titles running at the same time. The order Confessor had for these titles did not work for me, but I'm not going to convolute this thread with crap that doesn't matter. However, if you have questions about any of our differences in placement, I'll be happy to give you a reason why I moved it.

Note: When I say this is how it was intended, I do not mean to say that this is the better way, this is just the way that I have chosen to read it (especially because I am reading it through for the first time, so I don't want things to be ruined for me, I want to read about the reveals as they happen). Depending on your goal in reading SI, each reading order has something different to offer. Similarly, any non-flashback related changes I make are due to reading order style, not "rightness." Okay, enough talk. Let's get down to business.

Reading Order

Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
SECRET INVASION #1
Mighty Avengers #12
New Avengers #40
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #13
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
Mighty Avengers #15
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #43
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Skrulls! (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #5
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #44
Thunderbolts #123
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Mighty Avengers #18
New Avengers #45
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Mighty Avengers #19
New Avengers #46

The Confessor

11-05-2008, 09:50 AM

I can't wait to get past the 60s though and move on to the 70s and 80s. That's the good stuff.

Oh, I don't know...I think the 60's stuff is pretty great too. The thing to remember is that although those early Sixties issues might seem a bit dated now, at the time they were really cutting edge, really ground breaking...especially if you compare them to DC comics of the same era.

You gotta love Steve Ditko's art in those early issues too, but for me, the book really comes into it's own when John Romita Sr. takes over on the art duties. His art is just awesome. Plus you get to finally see Mary Jane and meet all those other great characters like Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn. Then a bit later on, as the 60s turn into the 70s, you get great artists like Gil Kane and Ross Andru on the book. You got a lot of great comics to read your way through.

By the way, you might find this kinda funny...

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/944/asmspoof1lb7.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5347/asmspoof2bz4.jpg

Gyroscope352

11-05-2008, 11:08 AM

Oh, I don't know...I think the 60's stuff is pretty great too. The thing to remember is that although those early Sixties issues might seem a bit dated now, at the time they were really cutting edge, really ground breaking...especially if you compare them to DC comics of the same era.

You gotta love Steve Ditko's art in those early issues too, but for me, the book really comes into it's own when John Romita Sr. takes over on the art duties. His art is just awesome. Plus you get to finally see Mary Jane and meet all those other great characters like Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn. Then a bit later on, as the 60s turn into the 70s, you get great artists like Gil Kane and Ross Andru on the book. You got a lot of great comics to read your way through.

By the way, you might find this kinda funny...

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/944/asmspoof1lb7.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5347/asmspoof2bz4.jpg

I freaking love the spiderfan.org strips. lol.

Bingo!

11-05-2008, 11:21 AM

OK, hold on to your hat....this is gonna be a looooooong post! :smile:

You weren't lying. It's been awhile since I've been able to post, but since then, I love where you've placed the Thor and X-Men tie-ins. You caught something I completely overlooked. Good job.

I know it's a pain, but could you possibly give us a little bit more info about exactly what happens in X-Factor #33, She-Hulk #31 and X-Factor #34? As always, references to events that are happening in the main SI book or other tie-ins are important.

The events of She-Hulk and X-Factor make no reference to an invasion. Civilians are going about their lives and seem very unaware of anything unusual. She-Hulk does know that Longshot is a Skrull, because Jazinda has a premonition of the coming of Tailsman. I think She-Hulk #30 may be the key to placing this story. I'll pick that up today.

Also, Black Panther does have a great reference point. I don't have the entire run of SI: Black Panther, but I can say that BP#39 happens about the same time as SI#6. A panel from it depicting Wakanda corresponds to the second to last page of BP#39.

Ah, so when you say a "pre-emptive strike", do you think that this means that the Incredible Hercules issues are set before the main Invasion seen in SI #1 takes place? It wouldn't be the first time a tie-in has been set pre-invasion...the Inhumans tie-ins seem to be set prior to the main thrust of the invasion as well (at least, it appears that way at the moment).

Preemptive may not have been the right word. Incredible Hercules 117 actually begins "one month ago" supposedly one month before the impending invasion, but there's no definite point for me to anchor this. Issue four does give one indication.

Urania, a muse of prophecy, and sister to Athena, sees the coming of the Atum aka Demogorge, the God-Eater. Her vision signaled coming Skrull invasion and attempt to supplant Earth's gods with Skrull gods. This is completely unacceptable for Athena. One month after Urania's vision we find Athena speaking to gathering of gods from differing cultures. Holding a Skrull head in her fist, she tells how she found it within her ranks and forced him to reveal information regarding the invasion. Hercules and a pantheon of gods voyage to confront Kly'bn. Their journey is consecutive from issues 1-4. Though #4 does give one perfect moment in SI.

Incredible Hercules 117, pt 1 of 4, The Sacred Invasion
Incredible Hercules 118, pt 2
Incredible Hercules 119, pt 3
Incredible Hercules 120, pt 4 When Hercules and crew are victorious, The Skrull Book of Worlds destroys itself. The Skrull priests watching over the book cry all is lost, and at that moment it is annouced, "Reed Richards has escaped!"

jackolover

11-05-2008, 06:41 PM

Ah, so when you say a "pre-emptive strike", do you think that this means that the Incredible Hercules issues are set before the main Invasion seen in SI #1 takes place? It wouldn't be the first time a tie-in has been set pre-invasion...the Inhumans tie-ins seem to be set prior to the main thrust of the invasion as well (at least, it appears that way at the moment).

:

I'm wondering if the Skrull head that Hercules sister holds up is the same one from the Agents of Atlas sequence in 'Who Do You Trust'? She was working at Atlas, as she says.

The Confessor

11-06-2008, 05:15 PM

The events of She-Hulk and X-Factor make no reference to an invasion. Civilians are going about their lives and seem very unaware of anything unusual. She-Hulk does know that Longshot is a Skrull, because Jazinda has a premonition of the coming of Tailsman.

I find the total lack of reference to the Skrull invasion to be very peculiar but then again, maybe the fact it's not mentioned is a clue to the placement of the X-Factor and She-Hulk issues in itself. Maybe these books are set before the actual invasion?

I think I'm right in saying that in She-Hulk #31 there's a flashback of Shulkie and Jazinda driving towards Detroit where Jazinda mentions the forthcoming Skrull invasion. Now this flashback is supposed to occur after the end of She-Hulk #30. So, She-Hulk #31 seems to take place not long after #30, which could be further evidence that the actual invasion hasn't happened yet.

The real clincher for me though is that at the end of X-Factor #34, She-Hulk loads the unconscious body of a captured Skrull into her van and remarks that she'll "take him to Tony." This again ties in with it being pre-invasion because Tony's still around and not lost somewhere in the Savage Land.

Since we know that Nova #16 precedes She-Hulk #32, it's most probably taking place in between SI #1 and SI #2. The Skrull ships we see at the end of Nova #16 are in Earth space but have probably not yet launched their landing.

The very first page of She-Hulk #32 shows a Skrull ship descending through the clouds and then on page 2 She-Hulk and Jazinda talk about the fact that the Skrulls having landed in New York is all over the radio. So this issue definitely takes place after SI #2, but probably more like the same time as the bulk of SI #3.

She-Hulk #33, as you rightly pointed out in an earlier post, takes place straight after She-Hulk #32.

Nova #17 is a bit hard to place because I think I'm right in saying that the beginning of it caries on from the end of Nova #16 and clearly shows Kl'rt before the events of She-Hulk #32 and 33. However, as you correctly noted Bingo!, we also later see Nova at his parents home watching the Skrull TV broadcast which happens in SI #5. I'm inclined to place this comic just after SI #5 because of that and we'll just have to treat the opening scene of Nova and Kl'rt amongst the Skrull armada as a bit of a flashback. Mind you, it's only a flashback to a few hours previously.

Nova #18 seems to occur soon after Nova #17 but there is an indeterminate amount of time between the two.

Black Panther does have a great reference point. I don't have the entire run of SI: Black Panther, but I can say that BP#39 happens about the same time as SI#6. A panel from it depicting Wakanda corresponds to the second to last page of BP#39.

Well spotted! OK, I'll research this a bit more before putting BP #39 into our reading order, but my hunch would be that BP #39 would slightly precede SI #6.

Preemptive may not have been the right word. Incredible Hercules 117 actually begins "one month ago" supposedly one month before the impending invasion, but there's no definite point for me to anchor this. Issue four does give one indication.

Urania, a muse of prophecy, and sister to Athena, sees the coming of the Atum aka Demogorge, the God-Eater. Her vision signaled coming Skrull invasion and attempt to supplant Earth's gods with Skrull gods. This is completely unacceptable for Athena. One month after Urania's vision we find Athena speaking to gathering of gods from differing cultures. Holding a Skrull head in her fist, she tells how she found it within her ranks and forced him to reveal information regarding the invasion. Hercules and a pantheon of gods voyage to confront Kly'bn. Their journey is consecutive from issues 1-4. Though #4 does give one perfect moment in SI.

Incredible Hercules 117, pt 1 of 4, The Sacred Invasion
Incredible Hercules 118, pt 2
Incredible Hercules 119, pt 3
Incredible Hercules 120, pt 4 When Hercules and crew are victorious, The Skrull Book of Worlds destroys itself. The Skrull priests watching over the book cry all is lost, and at that moment it is annouced, "Reed Richards has escaped!"

Ah! Right, so it appears that Incredible Hercules #120 is taking place not long after SI #5 (when Reed Richards actually escapes).

Apparently, in Incredible Hercules #117 we get to see a Skrull invasion fleet arriving, headed for San Francisco (just as Hercules and co. enter the Dreamtime). This would mean that IH #117 would take place at around the same time as Secret Invasion: X-Men #1.

Can you confirm that we do indeed see a Skrull invasion fleet arriving in San Francisco in IH #117 Bingo! ?

Soooooooooo...after all that reasoning and rationalising, I propose placing the X-Factor, She-Hulk, Nova and Incredible Hercules issues into our reading order like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7

So, what do folks reckon of these placings?

The Confessor

11-06-2008, 05:17 PM

I'm wondering if the Skrull head that Hercules sister holds up is the same one from the Agents of Atlas sequence in 'Who Do You Trust'? She was working at Atlas, as she says.

Unlikely I would've thought, since the Skrull head that the Agents Of Atlas have was taken from a Skrull Field Marshall who was out on the streets during the invasion of the West Coast of America. According to Bingo!, Athena says that the severed Skrull head she has came from within her own ranks.

Still, it's certainly an interesting suggestion.

Switters

11-08-2008, 07:35 PM

I apologize if this issue has already been addressed but how about Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, New Warriors and Captain Britain MI 13?

Gyroscope352

11-08-2008, 07:48 PM

The Confessor

11-09-2008, 12:12 AM

I apologize if this issue has already been addressed but how about Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, New Warriors and Captain Britain MI 13?

Yeah, I mentioned this. These are the titles we're missing because no one monitoring this forum is reading them. If you are, it would be great if you could help us out, since we don't have the issues.

Gyroscope352's right, if you're collecting any of these series Switters, your help in placing them would be greatly appreciated. I picked up issue #1 of Captain Britain MI:13, so I know that it takes place somewhere between SI #2 and SI #3 but that's about it as far as my knowledge goes.

If you could post a plot synopsis for each isssue, with special attention being paid to referances to other events in the Secret Invasion timeline, that would be most welcolme.

Stix

11-19-2008, 03:14 PM

Hi Guys,

I have just re-read my New Warriors issues to help out.

New Warriors #14 shows the invasion of Manhattan depicted in SI#2. The Warriors retreat to base after immediatly. A few minutes later the Warriors leave to chase Night Thrasher and there is a small skirmish between them and a few skrulls but nothing concrete.

New Warriors #15 continues straight after #14 (mere seconds have passed). After a battle between the New Warriors and Justice's Warriors. After Night Thrasher reveals his true identity to everybody, Justice says he can take him to his brother's corpse. They all proceed to a SHIELD Helicarrier that is being invaded by skrulls and do battle. There is a Skrull who looks like Nova (same helmet) in case this sheds any more light.

The events in these two issues probably take place over an hour or two. It can't really be too much more. I believe it slots in between SI#2 and SI#3 very easily.

Hope this helps (and yay for my first issue summary :P)

The Confessor

11-19-2008, 05:19 PM

Hope this helps (and yay for my first issue summary :P)

Yes, that does help...a lot. :smile:

Thanks very much for the information. I don't have time right now to examine the other issues and slot these New Warriors issues into the reading order but I'll take a look tomorrow and get back to you.

I may have some questions about specifics that happen in the various books but again, if so, I'll get back to you tomorrow.

Thanks again for your input.

Gyroscope352

11-19-2008, 08:47 PM

Man, this sucks. If it weren't for that damn delay I'd be reading Si #8 right now. *sigh*.

But we really got most of this reading order done! Just one more week or so of SI issues and we're in to Dark Reign! Good job Confessor, and everyone else who helped out!

The Confessor

11-20-2008, 10:52 AM

OK, I've got a bit more time now, so let's see where these two New Warriors issues fall in our reading order.

The events in these two issues probably take place over an hour or two. It can't really be too much more. I believe it slots in between SI#2 and SI#3 very easily.

New Warriors #14 shows the invasion of Manhattan depicted in SI#2. The Warriors retreat to base after immediatly. A few minutes later the Warriors leave to chase Night Thrasher and there is a small skirmish between them and a few skrulls but nothing concrete.

I agree with your suggestion that these two issues take place between SI #2 and SI #3. New Warriors #14 definitely starts off at the point where the Skrulls first appear (as seen in SI #2). However, after the New Warriors announce that they are going to head back to their base, we see Donyell Taylor watching a TV clip of the Young Avengers/Runaways fighting Skrulls (which first happens in YA/R #1 and #2).

So, I'm gonna suggest that New warriors #14 goes directly after Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 but before Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1. Essentially all of these issues are taking place at the same time though.

New Warriors #15 continues straight after #14 (mere seconds have passed). After a battle between the New Warriors and Justice's Warriors. After Night Thrasher reveals his true identity to everybody, Justice says he can take him to his brother's corpse. They all proceed to a SHIELD Helicarrier that is being invaded by skrulls and do battle.

Is the Hellicarrier afloat in the ocean or the river somewhere or is it still flying? I ask because we see the Hellicarrier has crashed down into a body of water in SI #3. Or maybe it's in trouble but hasn't actually crashed into the ocean yet during New Warriors #15? Any info you can provide about this would be gratefully received Stix.

I'm gonna go ahead and take a guess that the Hellicarrier is still flying (albeit in trouble) during this issue, so I think that NW #15 must come a little way before SI #3.

With that in mind, I suggest putting it after Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 but before Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2. I realise that, as Stix pointed out, the end of NW #14 dovetails straight into NW #15. However, for the purposes of our reading order, it'll be cool to cut away on a cliff-hanger at the end of NW #14 and catch up with the YA/R and Spider-Man before darting back to see what's happening with the New Warriors. Let's not forget that all of the issues around this section of the reading order are happening simultaneously.

In other news, my crappy LCS failed to get Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35 in for me, so I'm gonna have to wait another week to read it. Judging from the previews though, it appears to carry on directly from issue #34, with James Rhodes about to be dissected by Skrulls. However, just before he wound up on the dissection table at the end of last issue, War Machine blacked out for an indeterminate amount of time. So, I'm going to place Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35 after Ms. Marvel #30 but before Secret Invasion: Thor #2. I may revise this placing once I get my hands on a copy of this comic but it'll do for now.

So, after all that, our reading order now looks like this...

Edit: I also picked up Thunderbolts #126 at my LCS today and I'm adding that to this running order. I know it's not an official "Secret Invasion" tie-in but I think it's still very much relevant and deals with the immediate aftermath of SI nicely.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

Stix

11-21-2008, 01:22 AM

Is the Hellicarrier afloat in the ocean or the river somewhere or is it still flying? I ask because we see the Hellicarrier has crashed down into a body of water in SI #3. Or maybe it's in trouble but hasn't actually crashed into the ocean yet during New Warriors #15? Any info you can provide about this would be gratefully received Stix.

This is not the main carrier with Maria Hill, but another one. Vance tells Donyell that theirs is a specific carrier that deals with Science & Forensics. This is where they would find the remains of the Warriors killed in Stamford to test if Dwayne was a Skrull.

Although I have not read the ASM or Runaways/Avengers mini's. I can happily go along with your placement of New Warriors.

TheCatFromJapan

11-21-2008, 02:20 PM

Gyroscope352

11-21-2008, 07:14 PM

Hey there Confessor,

First off, Thanks for the list for the Secret Invasion. I appreciate it. But I have one question:

How come the mighty Avengers reads in reverse? 16, then later 15 and then 14?

Is that a typing mistake?

I'm sure it's explained somewhere here on this forum ... BUT I don't want to read too much because I don't want anything spoiled for me as I have not read a single issue of this series outside of the Illuminatti stuff.

:)

Send me a quick note if you will and tell me if that's right and if you can explain a bit without giving anything away ... please.

Thanks for your time,
Jonathan

I'll take this.

New Avengers and Mighty Avengers are doing something interesting for this event. Both of them are doing flashback issues, explaining when some of the heroes were replaced with Skrulls. However, they also do issues taking place during the invasion. They've set it up so it's every other issue: one issue will be a flashback, the next one will be set within SI, the one after that is another flashback.

The Confessor's reading order places the flashback issues where they actually happened chronologically, not in order of publishing. They were written with publishing in mind, however (i.e. the main SI title will reveal something big and then the MA or NA title of that month will flash back and explain the reveal), so they end up being out of order. So The Confessor's list is chronologically correct. My reading order (which I'm going to post an updated copy of) is in chronological order EXCEPT for these flashbacks, so they are read as secrets are revealed.

If you are reading the entire event at once using this reading order FOR THE FIRST TIME, I would recommend using my reading order. However, if you've already read SI as it came out, and are looking it to read it again all at once, it might be cooler to read The Confessor's reading order and see things how they actually happened in the Marvel U.

Does that all make sense?

TheCatFromJapan

11-21-2008, 07:18 PM

Alright ... I'm not going to argue with days and days of ordering and sorting.

But, there are some books I've bought that are not included in your sequence.

Can you help with the order of these?

Black Panther #39-41
Ghost Rider 22 (he's got a skrull face on cover)
Guardians of the Galaxy (whole set riddled with SI banners on covers)
Punisher - War Journal #25
Skaar (one-shot)
Skrulls vs powerpack #1-4
X-Factor #34

I am one of those poor guys who buys EVERY tie-in

And I don't want to read them till I've got a little strategy.

Gyroscope352

11-21-2008, 07:27 PM

Aaaaaand as promised about a minute and a half ago, here's my updated reading order, with flashbacks as they were published. That general philosophy has also changed a few other titles too (as far as titles that take place simultaneously with other titles), but it's a matter of opinion. It's still accurate. Also, I've left out everything from The Infiltration because my order is very different than The Confessors, but I don't want to get into it. If you're reading those, you can just use his order.

Reading Order

Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
SECRET INVASION #1
Mighty Avengers #12
New Avengers #40
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #13
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Mighty Avengers #15
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #43
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Skrulls! (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #5
Mighty Avengers #17
Mighty Avengers #18
New Avengers #44
Thunderbolts #123
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
New Avengers #45
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
New Avengers #46

And I am going to take a shot in the dark and say that at this moment, SECRET INVASION #8 is going to go right here. lol.

TheCatFromJapan

11-21-2008, 07:27 PM

Thanks Gyroscope352

If you are reading the entire event at once using this reading order FOR THE FIRST TIME, I would recommend using my reading order. However, if you've already read SI as it came out, and are looking it to read it again all at once, it might be cooler to read The Confessor's reading order and see things how they actually happened in the Marvel U.

:eek: Oops ... I've just spent the better part of 2 hours sorting all my books in the Confessor's order!

Does that all make sense?

Yes ... It does make sense ... but now ... I'm dreading re-ordering all of these. :frown:

I'm going to go over your threads and see where your list is ...

Gyroscope352

11-21-2008, 07:33 PM

Thanks Gyroscope352

:eek: Oops ... I've just spent the better part of 2 hours sorting all my books in the Confessor's order!

Yes ... It does make sense ... but now ... I'm dreading re-ordering all of these. :frown:

I'm going to go over your threads and see where your list is ...

Just re-posted an updated version.

Unfortunately, concerning those other titles, since neither me nor The Confessor have those issues it's difficult for us to place them. If you give The Confessor some details about the issues, he might be able to help, but other than that we got nothin.

TheCatFromJapan

11-21-2008, 07:38 PM

Just re-posted an updated version.

Unfortunately, concerning those other titles, since neither me nor The Confessor have those issues it's difficult for us to place them. If you give The Confessor some details about the issues, he might be able to help, but other than that we got nothin.

Ah! Of course! How could you all have it all! I don't have several of the issues on his/your list.

I'm missing the Ms Marvel and the New Warriors stuff. :confused:

I guess that what I need to do is find out when these books:

Black Panther #39-41
Ghost Rider 22 (he's got a skrull face on cover)
Guardians of the Galaxy (whole set riddled with SI banners on covers)
Punisher - War Journal #25
Skaar (one-shot)
Skrulls vs powerpack #1-4
& X-Factor #34

were released and put them in that order on the list.

I'll find out and post that as soon as I can.

Anybody know where I could look that up?

-jonathan

Gyroscope352

11-21-2008, 07:44 PM

Ah! Of course! How could you all have it all! I don't have several of the issues on his/your list.

I'm missing the Ms Marvel and the New Warriors stuff. :confused:

I guess that what I need to do is find out when these books:

Black Panther #39-41
Ghost Rider 22 (he's got a skrull face on cover)
Guardians of the Galaxy (whole set riddled with SI banners on covers)
Punisher - War Journal #25
Skaar (one-shot)
Skrulls vs powerpack #1-4
& X-Factor #34

were released and put them in that order on the list.

I'll find out and post that as soon as I can.

Anybody know where I could look that up?

-jonathan

Just to be clear, my whole reading order is not based on publication dates. JUST the flashbacks. Though if we never fit those missing titles, putting them in publication order (in relation to the main SI title) wouldn't be the worst thing.

TheCatFromJapan

11-21-2008, 07:57 PM

putting them in publication order (in relation to the main SI title) wouldn't be the worst thing.

That's what I was thinking ... :biggrin:

for now.

:cool:

Any Idea's on finding what date's these missing titles were actually released?
And more imortantly, which big SI titles were released near or on the dates of these:

(Black Panther #39-41
Ghost Rider 22 (he's got a skrull face on cover)
Guardians of the Galaxy (whole set riddled with SI banners on covers)
Punisher - War Journal #25
Skaar (one-shot)
Skrulls vs powerpack #1-4
X-Factor #34)

Jonathan

Gyroscope352

11-21-2008, 08:17 PM

This thread will be very useful to you:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=211727

Haaaaaave fun! lol

TheCatFromJapan

11-21-2008, 09:12 PM

If you are reading the entire event at once using this reading order FOR THE FIRST TIME, I would recommend using my reading order. However, if you've already read SI as it came out, and are looking it to read it again all at once, it might be cooler to read The Confessor's reading order and see things how they actually happened in the Marvel U.

Alright Gyro ...

I just spent the last hour re-sorting all of these books to match your list.

But, You've left off some of the books that are in Confessor's List:

Cap Marvel 4
Iron Man 35
She Hulk 32 &33
Avenger's Initiative annual
New Avenger's Annual

Where should these go and don't get fresh! :eek:

Gyroscope352

11-21-2008, 09:24 PM

Alright Gyro ...

I just spent the last hour re-sorting all of these books to match your list.

But, You've left off some of the books that are in Confessor's List:

Cap Marvel 4
Iron Man 35
She Hulk 32 &33
Avenger's Initiative annual
New Avenger's Annual

Where should these go and don't get fresh! :eek:

Have I been getting fresh? ;-)

Okay, I updated the list I posted earlier tonight. Sorry, I just forgot about the Iron Man & She-Hulk titles.

As far as the other three issues go, I have opted not to put up the "Infiltration" issues on my reading order, for many reasons. If you really want to know why, I'll explain it, but right now I'm tired. Bottom line, as far as those issues go, just follow The Confessor's reading order. You shouldn't have any trouble.

The Confessor

11-22-2008, 02:45 AM

This is not the main carrier with Maria Hill, but another one. Vance tells Donyell that theirs is a specific carrier that deals with Science & Forensics. This is where they would find the remains of the Warriors killed in Stamford to test if Dwayne was a Skrull.

Ah, I see. OK, well in that case, the positions that I've placed these issues in still stands then. Thanks for your input Stix, it's been very useful. :smile:

If you are reading the entire event at once using this reading order FOR THE FIRST TIME, I would recommend using my reading order. However, if you've already read SI as it came out, and are looking it to read it again all at once, it might be cooler to read The Confessor's reading order and see things how they actually happened in the Marvel U.

Agreed, Gyroscope352's reading order probably would be better if you're reading the Secret Invasion story for the first time. I dunno though...I guess it depends on your own personal preference.

But, there are some books I've bought that are not included in your sequence.

Can you help with the order of these?

Black Panther #39-41
Ghost Rider 22 (he's got a skrull face on cover)
Guardians of the Galaxy (whole set riddled with SI banners on covers)
Punisher - War Journal #25
Skaar (one-shot)
Skrulls vs powerpack #1-4
X-Factor #34

I am one of those poor guys who buys EVERY tie-in.

Gosh, if you're buying every tie-in, you must be rich! :wink:

I assume that you haven't read any of these issues yet because you're waiting until you have the whole event? All I can say is that you must have a lot of self control. :smile:

I'll try to have a look online and see what I can find out about these issues and try to place them into our reading order over the next few days. X-Factor #34 shouldn't be too hard to place, since the preceding issues are already in our reading order.

I guess that what I need to do is find out when these books:

were released and put them in that order on the list.

Well, just be aware that the publication date isn't necessarily an indication of where they go in the reading order. Take the Secret Invasion: Inhumans issues for instance, those books were published relatively recently but they take place very early on in the Secret Invasion storyline.

You've left off some of the books that are in Confessor's List:

Cap Marvel 4
Iron Man 35
She Hulk 32 &33
Avenger's Initiative annual
New Avenger's Annual

Where should these go

None of these issues are flashback issues so placing them where they are in my reading order will work just fine. Just one thing though, the Avenger's Initiative annual isn't actually related to Secret Invasion at all, as far as I'm aware. So I don't think it needs to be included in our reading order.

Gyroscope352

11-22-2008, 07:13 AM

Agreed, Gyroscope352's reading order probably would be better if you're reading the Secret Invasion story for the first time. I dunno though...I guess it depends on your own personal preference.

True, very true.

None of these issues are flashback issues so placing them where they are in my reading order will work just fine. Just one thing though, the Avenger's Initiative annual isn't actually related to Secret Invasion at all, as far as I'm aware. So I don't think it needs to be included in our reading order.

Actually, it does, it's just hard to tell though. It has like 5 short stories in it, only the last of which has to do with Secret Invasion. Hence the banner. It's literally like a page of the entire book that has to do with Secret Invasion though.

TheCatFromJapan

11-22-2008, 12:12 PM

I love this! Finally people as insane as I am about something fun.

The Sword Is Drawn

11-22-2008, 12:15 PM

When was the front post last updated? I notice that Captain Britain & MI13 are absent from the list.

Gyroscope352

11-22-2008, 01:29 PM

When was the front post last updated? I notice that Captain Britain & MI13 are absent from the list.

I'm going to say sometime around never.

This thread was basically commandeered by me and The Confessor after it had drifted off into nothingness. Whoever started this thread has not posted since.

The Confessor

11-23-2008, 08:43 AM

Actually, it does, it's just hard to tell though. It has like 5 short stories in it, only the last of which has to do with Secret Invasion. Hence the banner. It's literally like a page of the entire book that has to do with Secret Invasion though.

Oh, OK...this I didn't know. Maybe we should place this short story into our reading order? Where abouts do you think it should go Gyroscope352? What happens in this story?

When was the front post last updated? I notice that Captain Britain & MI13 are absent from the list.

I'm actually kinda planning on placing the Captain Britain & MI:13 issues at some point, since I did pick up issue #1 but dropped it after that. Any info you can provide about what happens in the other issues and where you think they should go and why would be very gratefully received though The Sword Is Drawn.

Gyroscope352

11-23-2008, 08:54 AM

Oh, OK...this I didn't know. Maybe we should place this short story into our reading order? Where abouts do you think it should go Gyroscope352? What happens in this story?

It just recounts a little battle with the Pennsylvania Initiative team ("The Liberteens") and some unregistered whoever. They are shown back at their base chilling (and partying) and the leader guy goes back to "report back to base" and is shown to be a Skrull reporting back to, uh, the Skrulls. He reveals their plan to have "A Skrull in every state." That is pretty much it.

There's no indication about anything in the book really as far as placement. My "The Infiltration" placements are different than yours, but a lot of it happens simultaneously and is dependent on the other titles surrounding them (I made my own reading order that makes sense, but probably has room for movement). Where you have it is fine, this particular issue could seriously go anywhere before SI.

Gyroscope352

11-23-2008, 08:55 AM

I love this! Finally people as insane as I am about something fun.

I know, right?! I love this stuff.

The Confessor

11-23-2008, 09:26 AM

OK, I've read Deadpool #1 - #3 recently and I've realised that we've got issues #2 and #3 in the wrong place.

Firstly, there's actually a bit of a continuity glitch in DP #2 where it says that 24 hours have passed while the Skrulls cloned Deadpool but then in issue #3 we see Deadpool uploading Skrull info to Nick Fury, who is plainly at his secret base before the big battle in Central Park.

I don't think that it's possible that 24 hours could have passed as Deadpool #2 indicates because the whole of Secret Invasion, from the Heroes going to the Savage Land up to the big battle in Central Park, only took a day and a half to happen. I think it's probably best that we ignore that slight continuity glitch though.

Anyway, I think that Deapool #2 and #3 need to be moved to a later position in our reading order so that Nick Fury has finished fighting in Times Square and got back to his secret base (as seen in SI #5) but before he goes off to the big Central Park fight. Also, Norman Osborn needs to be at a computer terminal in order to intercept the data that Deapool sends to Nick Fury (as seen in DP #3). Now at the end of Thunderbolts #123 Norman is in the middle of a battle in Washington DC which continues in TB #124, so I think DP #2 and #3 need to happen after that.

With this all in mind, I think I'm going to first of all switch the places of Thunderbolts #124 and Mighty Avengers #19. Then I'm gonna put Deadpool #2 and #3 after Thunderbolts #124 but before Mighty Avengers #19.

What do you think of this change Gyroscope352? I ask because you're collecting Deadpool and Thunderbolts.

Anyway, after these changes here's what our chronological reading order looks like.

As ever, all placings are tentative at this point (won't really know until the whole event is over) and the flashback issues have all been placed chronologically at the point when the events depicted in these issues actually happened.

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

The Confessor

11-23-2008, 09:34 AM

It just recounts a little battle with the Pennsylvania Initiative team ("The Liberteens") and some unregistered whoever. They are shown back at their base chilling (and partying) and the leader guy goes back to "report back to base" and is shown to be a Skrull reporting back to, uh, the Skrulls. He reveals their plan to have "A Skrull in every state." That is pretty much it.

There's no indication about anything in the book really as far as placement. My "The Infiltration" placements are different than yours, but a lot of it happens simultaneously and is dependent on the other titles surrounding them (I made my own reading order that makes sense, but probably has room for movement). Where you have it is fine, this particular issue could seriously go anywhere before SI.

Oh, oops! I'm sorry Gyroscope352 and TheCatFromJapan...I'm getting all mixed up here.

Yes, you're absolutely right Gyroscope352...I have the Avengers: The Initiative Annual and it is concerned with Secret Invasion. I was actually thinking of the Avengers: The Initiative Special that came out a couple of weeks ago...that doesn't have anything to to with Secret Invasion.

Gawd damn! This is all getting rather confusing!! :confused:

Gyroscope352

11-23-2008, 09:47 AM

longshot3

11-23-2008, 08:31 PM

Gyroscope352

11-23-2008, 08:49 PM

Thanks guys for doing this, it's really awesome. I, too, am getting every tie-in and I save reading them for when I have them all. It does take a lot of self-control, but I did wind up reading Secret Imvasion #1, back when it came out. I just have to hide them away in my closet, but I check in here to see what order to put them in.

To me, I really get better enjoyment out of the event doing it this way. I didn't do it for House of M and didn't like it very much. I did do it this way for 52, Civil War, World War Hulk and Messiah Complex and I feel that I got the maximum enjoyment out of these events.

Good to hear, this is my first time doing it. What I used to do is read them as it came out, but then once the last issue came out, e.g. Civil War #7, I'd go back to the beginning and read it all the way through ending with the last issue. It worked out okay, but I'm really excited to do this with SI. I just read from the end of Civil War all the way up to SI, and I'll be starting SI when I get back to school next week. Just in time for #8 to come out (Damn those delays or I'd be done now!). Pretty excited.

Sorry we can't help you with those other titles we're missing.

Graphic Man

11-24-2008, 01:45 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Skrulls-1.jpg

Hello folks:

As you may have guessed I am new.

Yeah, thats right.

The new guy.

The new guy who hopefully won't get his foot lit on fire and his ear kicked in by a spinning roundhouse type of a punch.

So if I make any mistakes or stumble upon someone's funny bone...

let me know.

Okay.

To my question at hand.

I really like what you guys have done so far with the Secret (Skrull) Invasion Readers List here in this thread.

Great stuff.

And thank you for all your hard work.

Now...

How would one re-order the:

Secret Invasion Reading (Chronological) Order List (posted above) to include the Infiltration Saga though???

Note:

I am looking for the meat of the stories here.

No grizzle or fat attached.

Basically, no Secret War Nick Fury build ups or no skrull organ sub-plots, or even Fight Club type inserts of Skrull body parts for that matter.

In other words:

I want to see some Infiltration Skrull action (non sexual please) that is making some tidal waves of some kind into the Major Secret Invasion Chronological Reading Order List (posted above).

So now that I hopefully made myself clear....

How would this Infiltration Prequel Event actually integrate into the Secret Invasion Saga???

So far from the other Infiltration thread I have roughly gathered this (correctly or incorrectly) for integration into the Secret Invasion Saga....

SECRET INFILTRATION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
SI: Prologue
MA 1-3
NA 27-31
MA 4-6
NA 32-34
MA 6-7
NA: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga
NA #36,
MA 8-11
NA 36-37
NA Annual
NA 38-39

Captain Marvel 1-3 ???
Cap Marvel 4 ???
Mrs Marvel 25 ???

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullBush.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullKitty-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Elektra-2.jpg

Larger version of Elektra photo above:

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Just click on the link here (above) to get it.

...And then drool.

Gyroscope352

11-24-2008, 02:27 PM

How would one re-order the:

Secret Invasion Reading (Chronological) Order List (posted above) to include the Infiltration Saga though???

Note:

I am looking for the meat of the stories here.

No grizzle or fat attached.

Basically, no Secret War Nick Fury build ups or no skrull organ sub-plots, or even Fight Club type inserts of Skrull body parts for that matter.

In other words:

I want to see some Skrull action (non sexual please) that is making some tidal waves of some kind into the Major Secret Invasion Chronological Reading Order List (posted above).

So now that I hopefully made myself clear....

How would this Infiltration Prequel Event actually integrate into the Secret Invasion Saga???

So far from the other Infiltration thread I have roughly gathered this (correctly or incorrectly) for integration into the Secret Invasion Saga....

Welcome to the boards! Might I suggest less line breaks. I think you'll find it makes people's lives easier if your posts don't take up so much space. Okay enough of that, down to business. ;-)

That all looks more or less right. My reading order is a bit different, but since a lot of the events in those issues happen simultaneously, the reading order could go a lot of different ways. The one you have looks fine. I don't know about Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel though, but you seem to have all the Skrully stuff that goes down (except Avengers: The Initiative Annual, which honestly isn't THAT important. Look up in the thread for out discussion about it. If you do want it though, it would go after all the NA/MA stuff.). Can't think of anything else that would go in there.

Graphic Man

11-24-2008, 03:32 PM

Gyro:

Thanks for reply back bub.

I appreciate that.

Welcome to the boards! Might I suggest less line breaks. I think you'll find it makes people's lives easier if your posts don't take up so much space.

Yeah, I sometimes have a knack for talking like Shatner. Which basically is a lot of fragments and pauses and stuff. Sorry. I am gonna have to work on that.

I don't know about Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel though,

Yeah, if the Cap and Mrs Marvel stuff is really nebulous as to when they happened...one could always categorize them according to the new-stand release date.

but you seem to have all the Skrully stuff that goes down (except Avengers: The Initiative Annual, which honestly isn't THAT important. Look up in the thread for out discussion about it. If you do want it though, it would go after all the NA/MA stuff.). Can't think of anything else that would go in there.

Yeah the Avengers Initiative Annual is a tough one to cut or to leave in. It has a Skrull at the end announcing that it won't be long before they have a spy in each of the fifty states.

That all looks more or less right. My reading order is a bit different, but since a lot of the events in those issues happen simultaneously, the reading order could go a lot of different ways. The one you have looks fine.

Yeah, I did notice that the Infiltration and Secret Invasion were overlapping each other.

However, it is my goal to see if I can combine the two lists into one new one.

In other words, I want the chocolate to mix with the peanut butter.

I want the Oreo creaming along with the cookie halves.

I want this list....

SECRET INFILTRATION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
SI: Prologue
MA 1-3
NA 27-31
MA 4-6
NA 32-34
MA 6-7
NA: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga
NA #36,
MA 8-11
NA 36-37
NA Annual
NA 38-39
A Initiative Ann 1 (Optional)

Captain Marvel 1-3 ???
Cap Marvel 4 ???
Mrs Marvel 25 ???

To combine with this list....

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

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http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/RogueSkrull.jpg

Graphic Man

11-24-2008, 03:54 PM

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to combine the two?

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullsTwo.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/2Aliens-1.jpg

Side Note:

Oh, and what I mean by combining the two is...

I mean combine the Infiltration List with the Invasion List.

Combining the two aliens in either of the photos above would be a messy act of mad science.

...And should be avoided at all costs.

:evilsmile:

Gyroscope352

11-24-2008, 03:57 PM

Gyro:

Thanks for reply back bub.

I appreciate that.

Yeah, I sometimes have a knack for talking like Shatner. Which basically is a lot of fragments and pauses and stuff. Sorry. I am gonna have to work on that.

Yeah, if the Cap and Mrs Marvel stuff is really nebulous as to when they happened...one could always categorize them according to the new-stand release date.

Yeah the Avengers Initiative Annual is a tough one to cut or to leave in. It has a Skrull at the end announcing that it won't be long before they have a spy in each of the fifty states.

Yeah, I did notice that the Infiltration and Secret Invasion were overlapping each other.

However, it is my goal to see if I can combine the two lists into one new one.

In other words, I want the chocolate to mix with the peanut butter.

I want the Oreo creaming along with the cookie halves.

I want this list....

To combine with this list....

Ah. Well unfortunately, I cannot help you with that. I have not read SI yet, so I haven't read the NA and MA "flashback" issues, so I don't know where exactly they would be placed. Perhaps The Confessor would know.

The Confessor

11-24-2008, 05:20 PM

Hi Graphic Man! Welcome to the boards...hope you enjoy the time you spend here.
Right, now to address some of your points and questions...

How would one re-order the:

Secret Invasion Reading (Chronological) Order List (posted above) to include the Infiltration Saga though???

Note:

I am looking for the meat of the stories here.

No grizzle or fat attached.

Basically, no Secret War Nick Fury build ups or no skrull organ sub-plots, or even Fight Club type inserts of Skrull body parts for that matter.

In other words:

I want to see some Infiltration Skrull action (non sexual please) that is making some tidal waves of some kind into the Major Secret Invasion Chronological Reading Order List (posted above).

OK, I'm a little bit puzzled here because you're saying that you want only the real meat of the matter, as far as the Infiltration goes but then you're including things like MA #1-3 and NA #27-31! Well, these books aren't really that important to the Infiltration, are they? I mean, if you're gonna include them...then you may as well include Secret War surely?

Also, I see that you're thinking of leaving out the Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1 which is clearly part of the Infiltration and even goes so far as to carry the "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner on the front cover. It's a fairly important issue too, in so far as it reveals that there's a Skrull on every team in the 50 State Initiative. Surely you should be including this as part of the Infiltration before you think about including MA #1-3 for example?

Anyway, as far as what I would call the "meat" of the Infiltration, it is already contained in our strictly chronological Reading Order and looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27

This selection of comics includes all of the issues (I think) that carried the official "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner plus a lot of others that take place either around the same time of waaaaay back when the Skrulls first began the Infiltration.

One important thing to note though about this whole thread, as Gyroscope352 mentioned, is that it has sort of split into two separate Reading Orders (just to make it really confusing :tongue: ). Firstly there's the "Strictly Chronological Reading Order” in which the issues of MA and NA that are flashbacks have been placed in the Reading Order chronologically. That is to say, that they are placed where the events shown in those comics actually occurred. So they're not really flashbacks any more.

The other Reading Order (that Gyroscope352 is presiding over) has these flashback issues placed later on in the story, so that they still read as flashbacks. Does that make any sense?

Anyway, let me know your thoughts.

Gyroscope352

11-24-2008, 05:42 PM

Hi Graphic Man! Welcome to the boards...hope you enjoy the time you spend here.
Right, now to address some of your points and questions...

OK, I'm a little bit puzzled here because you're saying that you want only the real meat of the matter, as far as the Infiltration goes but then you're including things like MA #1-3 and NA #27-31! Well, these books aren't really that important to the Infiltration, are they? I mean, if you're gonna include them...then you may as well include Secret War surely?

Also, I see that you're thinking of leaving out the Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1 which is clearly part of the Infiltration and even goes so far as to carry the "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner on the front cover. It's a fairly important issue too, in so far as it reveals that there's a Skrull on every team in the 50 State Initiative. Surely you should be including this as part of the Infiltration before you think about including MA #1-3 for example?

Anyway, as far as what I would call the "meat" of the Infiltration, it is already contained in our strictly chronological Reading Order and looks like this...

This selection of comics includes all of the issues (I think) that carried the official "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner plus a lot of others that take place either around the same time of waaaaay back when the Skrulls first began the Infiltration.

One important thing to note though about this whole thread, as Gyroscope352 mentioned, is that it has sort of split into two separate Reading Orders (just to make it really confusing :tongue: ). Firstly there's the "Strictly Chronological Reading Order” in which the issues of MA and NA that are flashbacks have been placed in the Reading Order chronologically. That is to say, that they are placed where the events shown in those comics actually occurred. So they're not really flashbacks any more.

The other Reading Order (that Gyroscope352 is presiding over) has these flashback issues placed later on in the story, so that they still read as flashbacks. Does that make any sense?

Anyway, let me know your thoughts.

First of all, I don't think you have each of the Infiltration books in there. I think you're missing MA #9. But at any rate, I think what he means by "meat" is just the stories leading right up to the Invasion. That is, not every story from Secret War on that was affected by Skrulls, just the stuff leading up to now. i.e. the Mighty Avengers forming and fighting Ultron while the New Avengers found the Elektra Skrull, after which Spider-Woman brought it to Iron Man and they fought the Symbiotes and so did the New Avengers then they went and fought the Hood and the Mighty Avengers after the Mighty Avengers fought Doctor Doom. It's kind of all one big story that has the Skrull sub plot. I think the point was he wanted those issues in your reading order. Which makes sense to me, I quite enjoyed reading that whole thing again before going into SI. Really sets the stage for everything.

Dbek23

11-24-2008, 05:47 PM

OMGawrsh!!!!! Can't wait for next wednesday to see how this thing wraps up. I'm enjoying the heck out of this so far. WoOt!! Good stuff.

The Confessor

11-24-2008, 06:45 PM

When was the front post last updated? I notice that Captain Britain & MI13 are absent from the list.

OK, I've done a little bit of online research and tried to recall what I could from issue #1 and I think I've got accurate placings for all four of the Captain Britain & MI:13 Secret Invasion tie-ins.

In issue #1, Captain Britain is already fighting Skrulls in the skies over London and the Skrulls are hitting the UK hard! This issue must take place after the end of SI #2 and #3, which is when the Skrulls start rampaging through New York, but it's probably not too long after that, since the UK is a very important target for The Skrulls. Being that it's so important to them, I suspect that they probably hit the UK before they land in the West Coast of America (seen in SI: X-Men #1).

I suggest putting this issue immediately after SI #3 but before Deadpool #1, that way we get to see the Skrulls in Britain and then later on (in Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34) we see them in Russia and then finally they land in California in the X-Men books.

As for issue #2, it seems that an indeterminate amount of time has passed since the end of issue #1 (it's night time as issue #2 opens), so I'm gonna pop this after Thunderbolts #124 but before Deadpool #2. It's still the same night (as far as I can tell) as issue #3 opens and issue #4 also appears to be set during the same night, so I'm gonna put these two issues directly after issue #2.

What do you think of these placings The Sword Is Drawn (or anybody else who's read 'em for that matter?). Do you think this works? Have I missed anything glaring?

While I'm updating our chronological Reading Order, I'm also going to put the Marvel Holiday Special 2007 in after the Avengers Initiative Annual #1 (as firstmode and matthewaos suggested at the beginning of this thread) because in it we learn that Irving Griffin, the Daily Bugle Features Editor, is a Skrull.

So, our Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

The Confessor

11-24-2008, 06:53 PM

First of all, I don't think you have each of the Infiltration books in there. I think you're missing MA #9. But at any rate, I think what he means by "meat" is just the stories leading right up to the Invasion. That is, not every story from Secret War on that was affected by Skrulls, just the stuff leading up to now. i.e. the Mighty Avengers forming and fighting Ultron while the New Avengers found the Elektra Skrull, after which Spider-Woman brought it to Iron Man and they fought the Symbiotes and so did the New Avengers then they went and fought the Hood and the Mighty Avengers after the Mighty Avengers fought Doctor Doom. It's kind of all one big story that has the Skrull sub plot. I think the point was he wanted those issues in your reading order. Which makes sense to me, I quite enjoyed reading that whole thing again before going into SI. Really sets the stage for everything.

Ah, I see what you're saying (or what Graphic Man's saying to be precise). When you say MA #9, do you actually mean MA #7? Because that was the issue where Elektra died and was revealed as a Skrull, I believe. MA #7 was also the only MA title to carry the "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner.

Anyway, I'll have a think about this and get back to both you and Graphic Man with my thoughts or suggestions for placements for these issues.

After my last post I'm feeling a little bit like I've OD'd on Secret Invasion for tonight. :biggrin:

TheCatFromJapan

11-24-2008, 08:04 PM

Alright folks ... just a note to say hello.

I just today cracked the World War Hulk story. I'll be done by tonight with it and all of the tie-in's I could get my hands on.

(I don't have WWH x-men past issue 1)
(also don't have WWH Front Line past issue 1)

So, for me ... it's a pretty quick read.

But, I'm reading it to get ready to devour SI.
Starting right after I'm done with this WWH~!
(though ... I'm starting to think I should perhaps read the Secret War stuff)

May be reading SI by tonight!

Can't wait.

j

PS - where should I put the Punisher WJ 24 in all of this?

Graphic Man

11-24-2008, 09:06 PM

Hi Graphic Man! Welcome to the boards...hope you enjoy the time you spend here.
Right, now to address some of your points and questions...

Confessor:

Greetings.

And thank you for laying out another welcome mat.

It is good to be here.

I hope you recuperate and get better soon from O D (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=o+d)ing on Secret Invasion.

OK, I'm a little bit puzzled here because you're saying that you want only the real meat of the matter, as far as the Infiltration goes but then you're including things like MA #1-3 and NA #27-31! Well, these books aren't really that important to the Infiltration, are they? I mean, if you're gonna include them...then you may as well include Secret War surely?

Well in New Avengers 31... you had the reveal of Elektra turn up as a Skrull corpse. It actually showed a Skrull. A cool reveal. However in Secret War.. it did deal with Infiltration but there really wasn't a Skrull in sight.

But I do see your point though: You can cut out the Secret War Saga and Avengers 31 ECT...from Secret Invasion without really losing too much (if it doesn't bother one to do so). It is all a preference of personal taste.

I merely gave weight to those issues because of this post in the Infiltration Thread....

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6603724&postcount=1

Of which is where I got my Infiltration list (Set Up Arc) from.

Also, I see that you're thinking of leaving out the Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1 which is clearly part of the Infiltration and even goes so far as to carry the "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner on the front cover. It's a fairly important issue too, in so far as it reveals that there's a Skrull on every team in the 50 State Initiative. Surely you should be including this as part of the Infiltration before you think about including MA #1-3 for example?

Alright. I'm convinced. I am definitely adding Initiative Annual 1.

Anyway, as far as what I would call the "meat" of the Infiltration, it is already contained in our strictly chronological Reading Order and looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27

This selection of comics includes all of the issues (I think) that carried the official "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner plus a lot of others that take place either around the same time of waaaaay back when the Skrulls first began the Infiltration.

The only Secret Invasion Banner Covered Issues that I see missing in your Master's List is Captain Britain's 1-4 series. But I now see that you have just corrected this after I had posted this reply.

So please over look this.

Anyways, here is a look at Captain Britain Secret Invasion for those of you out there that are unfamiliar with it.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/capbrit15-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/CapBrit1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/CapBrit2.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/CapBrit3.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/CapBrit4.jpg

One important thing to note though about this whole thread, as Gyroscope352 mentioned, is that it has sort of split into two separate Reading Orders (just to make it really confusing :tongue: ). Firstly there's the "Strictly Chronological Reading Order” in which the issues of MA and NA that are flashbacks have been placed in the Reading Order chronologically. That is to say, that they are placed where the events shown in those comics actually occurred. So they're not really flashbacks any more.

The other Reading Order (that Gyroscope352 is presiding over) has these flashback issues placed later on in the story, so that they still read as flashbacks. Does that make any sense?

Anyway, let me know your thoughts.

Well, I am gonna have to read everything in its entirety to be sure.

So I will have to get back to you on that.

I do know that on Lost The TV Show... The Flashbacks had a purpose to what was happening in the present. In that case the flashbacks are more integral (or was giving more weight) to the story and characters. So with Lost... the flashbacks work better obviously when you watch it episode by air date...instead of chronologically (which would be a mess).

But with the Secret Invasion Flashbacks....

Well if nothing is really ruined or changed by placing them in chronological order (As if it would be with Lost)... well then it has got my two thumbs up to place it in a linear timeline (flashbacks appearing back in the time of the date of when they actually happened)...so that the audience isn't jumping back and forth like a confused dog trying to follow a screeching whistle on some strange island somewhere.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Vincent.jpg

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Gyroscope352

11-24-2008, 09:12 PM

Ah, I see what you're saying (or what Graphic Man's saying to be precise). When you say MA #9, do you actually mean MA #7? Because that was the issue where Elektra died and was revealed as a Skrull, I believe. MA #7 was also the only MA title to carry the "Secret Invasion: Infiltration" banner.

Anyway, I'll have a think about this and get back to both you and Graphic Man with my thoughts or suggestions for placements for these issues.

After my last post I'm feeling a little bit like I've OD'd on Secret Invasion for tonight. :biggrin:

I DO mean MA #7. Sorry about that. Though to be clear, that is not when Elektra died (that was in NA and had no banner, which is why I think "The Infiltration" was poorly marketed and why this reading order should include all these Avengers issues), that was when the dead Elektra Skrull was brought to Tony Stark. And he had some inner monologuing going on whilst fighting the symbiotes. But yeah, that's what I meant.

Graphic Man

11-24-2008, 09:53 PM

First of all, I don't think you have each of the Infiltration books in there. I think you're missing MA #9. But at any rate, I think what he means by "meat" is just the stories leading right up to the Invasion. That is, not every story from Secret War on that was affected by Skrulls, just the stuff leading up to now. i.e. the Mighty Avengers forming and fighting Ultron while the New Avengers found the Elektra Skrull, after which Spider-Woman brought it to Iron Man and they fought the Symbiotes and so did the New Avengers then they went and fought the Hood and the Mighty Avengers after the Mighty Avengers fought Doctor Doom. It's kind of all one big story that has the Skrull sub plot. I think the point was he wanted those issues in your reading order. Which makes sense to me, I quite enjoyed reading that whole thing again before going into SI. Really sets the stage for everything.

Yes. Yes.

That is it exactly.

Basically you can look at the issues leading up to an Official Secret Invasion Logo Covered Issue as an extended re-cap to a TV episode. It is informing you of recent pertinent information leading up to the current show (or episode).

However, if this is done.... parenthesis should be used to explain their placement on the master list, then.

Example:

Avengers 31 (Optional Infiltration Tie In)

or...

Captain Marvel 1 (Optional Character Set Up Issue)

or...

Maybe even create a separate comprehensive list all together (Which would include any Tie-Ins and or Prequel Events).

Side Note:

Now...

I know I said I was somewhat against including Secret War in the collection...but Secret War and the Annihilation Saga are in fact mentioned on Wikipedia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Invasion

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http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullTag-1-1.png

Side Note 2: The Sequel:

Word Balloons in Skrull Photo above created by yours truly.
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Graphic Man

11-25-2008, 11:39 AM

Personally, I think there should be three lists.

1. Secret Invasion True Flashbacks (Strict) Version.

A lean cut of the Secret Invasion story line that lets flashbacks appear they were originally intended.

2. Secret Invasion All Linear (Strict) Version.

A lean cut of the Secret Invasion story line that puts all events in a linear time or time table.

3. Secret Invasion (All Linear) Comprehensive (Non-Strict) Version.

A Complete Saga of the entire Secret Invasion Line (in linear fashion): using parenthesis to explain the placement of prequel events, tie ins, sub plots, cliffhangers, and important character set ups. Thus allowing a reader to pick and choose what issues they want to include or discard.

Important Note: Granted this list shouldn't involve every Skrull appearance that is not directly tied to this recent Secret Invasion story. Because that type of list would be very long and unnecessary.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullBush2-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullFun.jpg

Side of Skrull Meat:

Also, when it comes to flashbacks in the Secret Invasion Saga... I really don't think the writers planned to have the Flashbacks as an important part of the overall story or current events that were happening in the moment all too much.

In fact, Flashbacks are considered as a weak form of writing and should only be used as last resort, anyways.

If it doesn't hurt the overall story to arranging the Flashbacks so that they fit on a linear time line...

I am all for making all the events transpire on a nice continuous straight line.

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Gyroscope352

11-25-2008, 11:48 AM

Personally, I think there should be three lists.
3. Secret Invasion (All Linear) Comprehensive (Non-Strict) Version.

A Complete Saga of the entire Secret Invasion Line (in linear fashion): using parenthesis to explain the placement of prequel events, tie ins, sub plots, cliffhangers, and character set ups. Thus allowing a reader to pick and choose what issues they want to include or discard.

That sounds quite hefty. *puts finger on nose* not it.

Just kidding. Well, sort of. I'm not going to do it because I have yet to read any of SI...so I can't. But if you would like to make this third reading order, you are more than welcome. Though that's so intense that maybe you want to create a new thread for it (thread drift or something).

Graphic Man

11-25-2008, 12:46 PM

Actually as nice as an all comprehensive list would sound, especially to everyone else.

Personally, I was just looking to figure out where to fit my new revised issues on the All Linear List you guys got going on this thread.

MY REVISED INFILTRATION LIST ADD ON:

New Avengers 27-30 (After the flashback story in Mighty Avengers #16: Elektra & the Hand battle the Avengers).
New Avengers 31 (Elektra is revealed to the Avengers that she was a Skrull)
New Avengers 32 (Spider-Woman takes off with Skrull corpse)
New Avengers 33 (New Avengers are in paranoia of who to trust)
New Avengers 34 (New Avengers figure out that they are not Skrulls)
Mighty Avengers 07 (Spider-Woman brings Skrull corpse to Iron Man)
Captain Marvel 01 (Public Display that Captain Marvel is alive (Obviously gaining the attention of the Skrulls))
Captain Marvel 02 (Cliffhanger of Kree Soldiers About to Attack)
Captain Marvel 03 (Captain Marvel discovers that the Kree Soldiers he is fighting are actually Skrulls)
Black Panther 39 (Official Secret Invasion Title)
Black Panther 40 (Official Secret Invasion Title)
Black Panther 41 (Official Secret Invasion Title)
Guardians of the Galaxy 4 (Official Secret Invasion Title)
Guardians of the Galaxy 5 (Official Secret Invasion Title)
Guardians of the Galaxy 6 (Official Secret Invasion Title)

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I included The Elektra and the Hand story line in Issues 27-31 because Elektra's origins of her being a Skrull are explained in Mighty Avengers #16 Flashback issue. The Elektra/Hand vs the Avengers battle is important because it is Elektra's Skrull corpse that is one of the balls that gets the Secret Invasion story line moving in the first place.

I included Captain Marvel's issues 1 and 2 because basically his miraculous 2 issue short return from the dead on such a public scale is kind of like dumping a large bucket of bloody chum in a pool full of sharks (The Sharks being Skrulls and Captain Marvel being the bloody chum of course). Captain Marvel is after all a symbol of everything that the Skrull's hate. Also Cap Marvel is from off the pages of Illuminati 4 (Which is already included in your list so...).

I originally posted some earlier issues of the New and Mighty Avengers early on in this thread, but I decided as important as the New & Mighty Avengers are, they are actually more supporting characters in this over-all Secret Invasion Arc. It is Captain Marvel's head they want on a pike and Earth in General (In fact, the Skrulls believe that Planet Earth is religiously and rightfully theirs. The Avengers might have ticked them off now and then but mostly I think the Skrulls think of them as just lowly beings that are getting in the way (and nothing more). Granted Illumanti is another matter all together and should definitely be kept in the Master's List.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullLyja.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullDeadpool-1.jpg

Graphic Man

11-26-2008, 01:12 AM

THIS IS MY BEST GUESS OF HOW THESE ISSUES WOULD BE ADDED TO YOUR MASTER'S LIST CONFESSOR:

MY REVISED INFILTRATION LIST ADD ON:

New Avengers Illuminati 1
New Avengers Illuminati 2
New Avengers Illuminati 3
New Avengers 44
New Avengers Illuminati 4
Mighty Avengers 16
New Avengers 27
New Avengers 28
New Avengers 29
New Avengers 30
New Avengers 31
New Avengers 32
New Avengers 33
New Avengers 34
Mighty Avengers 07
New Avengers 40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

Black Panther 39...................(September 08) ?
Black Panther 40....................(October 08) ?
Black Panther 41....................(November 08) ?

Guardians of the Galaxy 4...... (October 08) ?
Guardians of the Galaxy 5...... (November 08) ?
Guardians of the Galaxy 6...... (December 08) ?

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This is a really cool development. My Avenger's additions really seem to fill (or explain) an important story arc or set up. After Mighty Avengers #16 you just find out that Elektra is a Skrull and she is going to lead the Hand into battle. In New Avengers issues 27-31 you have Elektra lead a battle against the Avengers and they end up finding out that Elektra was in fact a Skrull.

Another sweet development is by the following addition of the issue of Mighty Avengers #7: In this book we see Spider-Woman bring Elektra's Skrull corpse to Tony (Iron Man). This makes you think Spider-Woman is all good and fine. However, when you read the next issue (New Avengers 40 on the master's list), it is revealed by the Skrulls that Spider-Woman is in fact working for them.

Anyways, this may sound all well and good but let me know if you spot any errors with this type of placement.

My added issues are in red (of course).

Thanks!

:)

Side Note:

Further explanations as to why I added these issues is in my above post, as well.

Side Note 2:

I am not sure where the missing Black Panther and Guardians of the Galaxy issues would go... so I just threw them at the bottom of the list for future placement.

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Graphic Man

11-26-2008, 02:17 AM

Confessor:

One more thing.

You probably don't want these issues of mine added to your personal master's list here on this thread.

These additions are for my own personal list.

If you choose to add them or not is of course well up to you.

You will get no pressure from me.

I would appreciate any pointers on the placement of my additions whenever you have the time.

An hour.

A day.

A week.

Two weeks.

Whenever.

No pressures.

Thank you again.

:smile:

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Graphic Man

11-26-2008, 10:46 AM

As mentioned in my posts above: I added some missing official invasion titles that are not on your master's list yet.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/BlackPanther-001-2.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/BlackPanther-001.jpg

Photo Link To Issue 41:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/BlackPanther-001-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/GuardiansoftheGalaxy04Zone-Meganpg0.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/GuardiansoftheGalaxy05Zone-Meganpg0.jpg

Photo Link To Issue 6:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/GOTG-001.jpg

Again, Those Missing Official Invasion Issues Are...

Black Panther 39...................(September 08)
Black Panther 40....................(October 08)
Black Panther 41....................(November 08)

Guardians of the Galaxy 4...... (October 08)
Guardians of the Galaxy 5...... (November 08)
Guardians of the Galaxy 6...... (December 08)

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Graphic Man

11-26-2008, 12:33 PM

Confessor:

I don't want to over step my bounds or anything...

But, in my book: I think the Marvel Holiday Special should be taken off the Master's list.

It is a humor book which obviously pokes fun at itself.

And shouldn't be taken seriously.

Furthermore, there is nothing integral to the overall Secret Invasion Line here and if there is an issue brought up later on.... pointing to this Holiday Issue that I missed...

I'm sure we will get the point without having read this comedy event.

Basically, I believe this book just takes away from the seriousness of the whole Secret Invasion Arc.

But that might just be me.

Here are but a few of the pages that deal with the Secret Invasion Arc as a refresher....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/HolidaySpecial033.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/HolidaySpecial034.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/HolidaySpecial035.jpg

The Confessor

11-26-2008, 01:25 PM

But with the Secret Invasion Flashbacks....

Well if nothing is really ruined or changed by placing them in chronological order (As if it would be with Lost)... well then it has got my two thumbs up to place it in a linear timeline (flashbacks appearing back in the time of the date of when they actually happened)...so that the audience isn't jumping back and forth like a confused dog trying to follow a screeching whistle on some strange island somewhere.

Well, I don't know whether reading SI following my strictly chronological reading order will cause it to lose anything or not. Obviously it means that when someone is revealed as a Skrull in the main series it won't be a shock because the reader will already have seen how that person was replaced by the Skrulls in one of the "flashback" issues that they read earlier in the reading order. It might not necessarily be the best way for a new reader to experience SI but then again, maybe it would be...it's all personal preference really. For me, I prefer the flashback issues to not be flashbacks but that's just my personal choice.

You probably don't want these issues of mine added to your personal master's list here on this thread.

These additions are for my own personal list.

If you choose to add them or not is of course well up to you.

You will get no pressure from me.

No, no...that's absolutely fine, let's add them to my Reading Order. This is what this thread is all about...people suggesting issues that should be included to make the Reading Order as definitive as it can be. As far as your suggested Infiltration ordering goes, I'm afraid I've got to disagree with it slightly.

First of all, I think your placing of NA #27 needs to be a bit later. I think this because in Mighty Avengers #15 we get to see Hank Pym being replaced by a Skrull and one particular panel in this issue makes it clear that this issue is taking place just after the Raft Prison Breakout (which pre-dates Civil War). NA #27 definitely takes place after Civil War because Captain America is dead. I also think that the Secret Invasion: Prologue digital comic, in which we see Dum Dum Dugan replaced, should come before NA #27.

So, I suggest putting NA #27 - #31 after Secret Invasion: Prologue but before Mighty Avengers #17 (in which we see the Skrully Dugan discussing the upcoming invasion with Skrully Pym) and NA #32 - #34 should go after Mighty Avengers #17 but before New Avengers: Illuminati #5. I think you're right that Mighty Avengers #7 should go immediately after New Avengers #24 though.

So, what do you think of these placings Graphic Man?

As far as your placings of Captain Marvel #1 - #3, I'm cool with those...it makes sense to have them directly before issues #4 and #5. Although, I'm not sure how important Captain Marvel #1 - #3 really are to Secret Invasion??? I think I'm right in saying that only issues #4 and #5 carried the Secret Invasion banner on the cover.

As for the Black Panther and Guardians Of The galaxy issues Graphic Man, have you actually read these issues? If so, a short issue-by-issue breakdown of exactly what happens in each comic would be really helpful for placing purposes. It doesn't have to be loads of info, just a brief synopsis for each issue with special emphasis on scenes referencing the rest of the Skrull invasion or scenes depicted in the main SI series.

Note: I may be removing New Avengers: Illuminati #2, #3 and #4 from my reading order when Secret Invasion #8 comes out because it's looking like the only parts that are going to be relevant are issues #1 and #5. I just stuck all five issues into my reading order originally because I wasn't sure what was going to end up being relevant and what wasn't.

PS - where should I put the Punisher WJ 24 in all of this?

Well, PWJ #24 pretty much begins with the Alien Virus hitting the tech in the prison where Frank castle is located and we also see the Skrull ships over the city, so it's obviously taking place somewhere soon after SI #2. Interestingly, it appears to be night time during this issue, which is a bit of a continuity glitch since the Virus and Skrull Invasion happened during the day. Perhaps for some technological reason the Alien Virus only managed to knock out the security in the S.H.E.I.L.D. prison where The Punisher was being held much latter than it did the rest of the country's Starktech???? :confused:

Is the remainder of this issue set during that same night TheCatFromJapan? Any info you can supply would be cool.

Anyway, since it's night time in this issue, I'm gonna place it a bit later than I otherwise would. I'm thinking it sits well after Mighty Avengers #19 (because it's night time by the end of that issue) but before Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 (which also shows us the night time of the first day of the Invasion).

What do you think TheCatFromJapan? Is there anything in the issue itself that contradicts this placement I’ve suggested?

Edit: Just realised that Punisher: War Journal #25 is also out now and since this picks up exactly where issue #24 left off, I've placed it directly after it.

Anyway, our Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

The Confessor

11-26-2008, 01:34 PM

Confessor:

I don't want to over step my bounds or anything...

But, in my book: I think the Marvel Holiday Special should be taken off the Master's list.

It is a humor book which obviously pokes fun at itself.

And shouldn't be taken seriously.

Furthermore, there is nothing integral to the overall Secret Invasion Line here and if there is an issue brought up later on.... pointing to this Holiday Issue that I missed...

I'm sure we will get the point without having read this comedy event.

Basically, I believe this book just takes away from the seriousness of the whole Secret Invasion Arc.

But that might just be me.

Hmmm...you might have a point there...but on the other hand, couldn't the same be said for the Marvel: Home Invasion digital comics? I'd like to think that eventually we might incorporate them into our reading list and they're kind of tongue-in-cheek, aren't they?

My feeling is that it should stay in the list because in the end, we're trying to create a definitive Reading Order that encompasses every tie-in available. Still, that's just my opinion...let's put it to the vote.

QUESTION: Should the Marvel Holiday Special 2007 be removed from the Reading Order or should it remain as an integral part of Secret Invasion canon? :wink:

Let me know your thoughts folks.

Graphic Man

11-26-2008, 02:58 PM

Confessor:

Thank you for all the hard work.

It is appreciated.

Your new placement for the New Avengers and Mighty Avengers sounds and looks good to me.

Again.

Thank you.

As for the flashback issues... I totally agree with you on your placement of them.

As for cutting Illuminati issue #2 and Illuminati Issue #3.

That makes sense, to cut those two issues.

Unless the Skrulls end up using the Infinity Gauntlet and the Beyonder at some point in Secret Invasion... I don't that is very likely so...

I do think it would be good idea to remove these two Illuminati issues.

As for Illuminati #4....

It deals with the Kree (The Sworn Enemies of the Skrulls) and mentions the legend of Captain Marvel (A foreshadowing to the Return of Captain Marvel in Issue #1).

Speaking of Captain Marvel: Captain Marvel #3... deals with Captain Marvel fighting Skrulls who were in disguise as Kree soldiers.

So you definitely need to add Issue #3 of Captain Marvel.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/CM_3_DCP_0009.jpg

As for Black Panther and Guardians of the Galaxy...

I will see what I can do.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Skrull.jpg

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The Confessor

11-26-2008, 05:59 PM

As for cutting Illuminati issue #2 and Illuminati Issue #3.

That makes sense, to cut those two issues.

Unless the Skrulls end up using the Infinity Gauntlet and the Beyonder at some point in Secret Invasion... I don't that is very likely so...

My thoughts exactly, I think it's pretty unlikely that they're going to be relevant to Secret Invasion but we'll see.

As for Illuminati #4....

It deals with the Kree (The Sworn Enemies of the Skrulls) and mentions the legend of Captain Marvel (A foreshadowing to the Return of Captain Marvel in Issue #1).

Ah, I see. I'll have to have a read of this issue again...it's been a while. Sounds like you could be right about it being relevant though.

Speaking of Captain Marvel: Captain Marvel #3... deals with Captain Marvel fighting Skrulls who were in disguise as Kree soldiers.

So you definitely need to add Issue #3 of Captain Marvel.

OK, fair enough. In that case, lets keep the whole mini-series in our reading order then.

As for Black Panther and Guardians of the Galaxy...

I will see what I can do.

You do that...and I'll see what I can do. :wink:

TheCatFromJapan

11-26-2008, 07:52 PM

What do you think TheCatFromJapan? Is there anything in the issue itself that contradicts this placement I’ve suggested?

Confessor ... It isn't fair to you really. :tongue:

I'm realizing that you are one of the few people here that have actually read 99% of the books you're sorting through.

Where as Gyroscope352 (who, for some reason, I'm listening to :wink: ) and myself have not yet.

I'm just about to start tonight ... but upon Gyroscope352's suggestion I'm going to go through it with the flashbacks in place for the first time through.

Doing 'his way'

(But, only to get the experience of it somewhat they way they intended it to be.)

However, I'm still not sure that it's going to be 'the way to go.'

And as far as the Punisher WJ stuff is concerned. I'm amazed that you've picked-up on the whole ... 'takes place at night' deal; so as to even have a spot where to put them in your list.

I'm equally amazed that you would ask my worthless opinion. However, after I actually read this stuff ... you will be running in the streets from my opinion! Just you wait and see!

PS - Like Graphics Man, I too would love to know where the Guardians of the Galaxy & the Black Panther stuff belong on the list. But, do me a fav Gyroscope352 and let me know where on your list these books might go, would you?

And, it should be mentioned that SI X-men 4, SI Inhumans 4, Guardian's of the Gal 7 and New Warriors 18 were released today.

I'm about to crack into SI guys ... wish me a peaceful enough night at home to actually be able to enjoy these little suckers.

NIght guys ... check back here tomorrow :rolleyes:

The Confessor

11-28-2008, 07:33 AM

How come I can't see the last few replies of this thread??? :confused:

Edit: Oh, now I can :biggrin:

Gyroscope352

11-28-2008, 10:40 AM

Where as Gyroscope352 (who, for some reason, I'm listening to :wink: )

Hey, what's that supposed to mean?! :wink:

PS - Like Graphics Man, I too would love to know where the Guardians of the Galaxy & the Black Panther stuff belong on the list. But, do me a fav Gyroscope352 and let me know where on your list these books might go, would you?

I have never seen these books...but the only real differences between The Confessor's order and mine lies in New Avengers and Mighty Avengers (and even then, only the flashback issues). Most other titles will be unaffected for the most part. So wherever he puts them, you can put them.

longshot3

11-30-2008, 02:16 PM

The Confessor

11-30-2008, 06:34 PM

To anyone who may have read these issues, does anyone know where to place Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 and Secret Invasion: X-Men #4? Do they just go after each issues #3? Thanks for all the help here. I'm just about to get into reading the whole crossover probably this week.

I have Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 sitting just a few meters from me but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet, I'm afraid. I'll try to read it tomorrow and get it placed into the Reading Order. As for Secret Invasion: X-Men #4, I'm still waiting for my LCS to get it in, so in the meantime I'll see what I can find out online and try to place that as well.

For what it's worth, my gut instinct would be that X-Men #4 takes place pretty soon after issue #3 (if not straight after) and Inhumans #4 takes place a bit of a jump forward from issue #3. That's a total guess though, based on how the previous issues have been set, so take it with a pinch of salt.

I'll try to get definitive placements on these two issues tomorrow.

Gyroscope352

11-30-2008, 08:55 PM

Alright! I've started reading through and it's awesome! BUT - I've got a problem with one of the issues in our reading order (so far).

I know these things are difficult because they're all taking place at the same time, but the majority of our issues placed between SI #2 and #3 take place DURING #3. This is fine; it's kind of how it has to go (as most of these issues deal with stuff that happened before #2 and during #3. So they are probably in the best place possible). EXCEPT, perhaps, Runaways/Young Avengers #3. This issue needs to go directly after SI#3 in The Confessor's reading order (directly after NA #43 in MY reading order) because it references Nick Fury's presence in Times Square - which happens at the end of SI #3. The Runaways/YA issue is likely happening during SI #4 or something, but it's just a comment that Fury's there and nothing else, so it works. I really think it should be moved though. Everything else can stay the same; it's not going to get any better than it already is. I'll let you know if anything else comes up as I continue reading.

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 08:13 AM

Alright! I've started reading through and it's awesome! BUT - I've got a problem with one of the issues in our reading order (so far).

OK, cool...problems with the Reading Orders are certainly going to come to light as you read through and that's fine. We're relying on folks like you to come forward and say "Hey, this is wrong" because that's the only way to iron out a definitive Reading Order.

I know these things are difficult because they're all taking place at the same time, but the majority of our issues placed between SI #2 and #3 take place DURING #3. This is fine; it's kind of how it has to go (as most of these issues deal with stuff that happened before #2 and during #3. So they are probably in the best place possible).

Yeah, this is going to be an ever-present problem I'm afraid. Events in the tie-ins are sometimes going to be happening during the main book, so the only thing we can do is place them either before or just after the main title issue that they reference...which ever feels best in the Reading Order. We had exactly the same problem with the Civil War Reading Order a couple of years ago, only it was worse during Civil War because each issue of the main series covered a much longer period of time that the main SI title does. This is one of the benefits of SI taking place over such a short period of time.

EXCEPT, perhaps, Runaways/Young Avengers #3. This issue needs to go directly after SI#3 in The Confessor's reading order (directly after NA #43 in MY reading order) because it references Nick Fury's presence in Times Square - which happens at the end of SI #3. The Runaways/YA issue is likely happening during SI #4 or something, but it's just a comment that Fury's there and nothing else, so it works.

OK, good catch there Gyroscope352. I'm not buying the Runaways/YA titles myself, so I was forced to place them based on reading online synopsises of the issues and reading preview pages. I was always a little concerned that there might be little things like this that I'd missed.

I suggest moving it to just after Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34 but before Secret Invasion: Front Line #1. Of course, we could always put it directly after Secret Invasion #3 but we get to see Ms. Marvel fighting Skrulls in Times Square in Ms. Marvel #28 and #29, so that would give time for the word that "Fury's back and fighting in Time's Square" to reach the Runaways. Then again, we could just put Runaways/YA #3 directly after Ms. Marvel #29.

What do you think Gyroscope352? You're the one following the Reading Order. Which feels like the better placement - after Secret Invasion #3, after Ms. Marvel #29 or after Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34? I’ll go along with whatever you decide.

Everything else can stay the same; it's not going to get any better than it already is. I'll let you know if anything else comes up as I continue reading.

Yes, please do that. You're our "man on the ground" at the moment with regards to how the Reading Order flows.

Gyroscope352

12-01-2008, 08:21 AM

I suggest moving it to just after Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34 but before Secret Invasion: Front Line #1. Of course, we could always put it directly after Secret Invasion #3 but we get to see Ms. Marvel fighting Skrulls in Times Square in Ms. Marvel #28 and #29, so that would give time for the word that "Fury's back and fighting in Time's Square" to reach the Runaways. Then again, we could just put Runaways/YA #3 directly after Ms. Marvel #29.

lol, unfortunately I'm not reading either of these titles, so there's no way for me really to decide. I understand your placing, though, and it can go anywhere (but just to note: there doesn't need to be "time" for this news to reach the YA/Runaways, as it is a Quicksilver-like speedster that brings the news. Thus he's in and out in a matter of a second). But it's going to take place AFTER SI #3, most likely during SI #4, so if Ms. Marvel and Iron Man are during SI #3 than put them before YA/Runaways. How does that sound?

Gyroscope352

12-01-2008, 12:28 PM

Alright, another little glitch. SI: Front Line, IMO, is all together and it shouldn't be. I moved the first ASM issue too, so I'll just give you what it should look like (my changes are in red):

SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35

etc.

Gyroscope352

12-01-2008, 12:31 PM

Which makes my reading order as of right now look like:

Reading Order

Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
SECRET INVASION #1
Mighty Avengers #12
New Avengers #40
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #13
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Mighty Avengers #15
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #43
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Skrulls! (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #5
Mighty Avengers #17
Mighty Avengers #18
New Avengers #44
Thunderbolts #123
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
New Avengers #45
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
New Avengers #46

Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 01:05 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/00Secreta.jpg

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

CAPTAIN MARVEL DIES.
Death of Captain Marvel. (Optional Tie-In)

ARC 0: SKRULL MOTIVATIONS.
Annihilation Saga. (Optional Tie-In)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=247883

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: THE INTRODUCTION:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44

ARC 2: THE FORESHADOWING:
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 3: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 4: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

MISTRUST:
New Avengers #38

ARC 5: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS:
(THE SWORN ENEMY OF SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 6: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (Echo)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

ARC 7: POWER PACK
Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 8: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 9: TROUBLE IN ASGARD.
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

ARC 10: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6 (QUESTION IS RAISED ON WHETHER OR NOT EARTH STILL EXISTS....INSTILLING FEAR (in you (the reader)) ABOUT THE UPCOMING SKRULL ATTACK)

ARC 11: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE LANDED)

ARCH 12: DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1 (DEADPOOL TAKES ON A SKRULL SHIP)
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3 (OSBOURNE OBTAINS SKRULL DATA)

NO WARNING
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES PART 1) (EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 13: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SEC INVAS #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
Ms. Marvel #28 (MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & TBOLTS 4))
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED MANHATTAN)

THE QUEEN PART 3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3 (POSSIBLE KREE RE-ENFORCEMENTS)
(CAUSE...HOPE USUALLY COMES WITHIN THE DARKEST HOUR)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 14: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

ARC 15: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3

ARC:16 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 17: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE AT MANHATTAN:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)

(UPCOMING ISSUES COULD BE PLACED HERE)

2ND PERSPECTIVE OF AVENGERS BATTLE:
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)

3RD PERSPECTIVE OF AVENGERS BATTLE
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 2)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 4)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 5)

(UPCOMING ISSUES COULD BE PLACED HERE)

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL:

Skrulls #1 (one shot) (ENCYCLOPEDIA)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1 (BEHIND THE SCENES)

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WITHIN THE SAGA)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

SI X-men #4
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
New Avengers #47
SECRET INVASION #8
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Inhumans #4
Avengers Initiative #19
Invincible Iron Man #8
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 01:06 PM

Here are some explanations as to the placement of my order.

AVENGERS INITIATIVE ANNUAL #1:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Avengers-TheInitiativeAnnual012008M.jpg

Avengers Initiative Annual 1 should happen as early as possible in the story. If you have this event happening later on... it really defeats the purpose of this story. Placing this issue after the infiltration issues would make this issue feel lifeless and counter productive. Seeing there is no clear fact when this issue takes place. I feel it would be a good idea to put it were it does the most good (story wise).

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 01:07 PM

MIGHTY AVENGERS #16:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/MightyAvengers16TheBastard-Megan-1.jpg

In Mighty Avengers #16 we have a Skrull that turns into Elektra. This is a flashback issue. However, in this case: placing the issue right before she goes and fights the New Avengers actually makes the upcoming story arc that much more dramatic knowing she is a Skrull.

Furthermore, at the end of the issue we have Elektra and the Hand ready to fight...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/MightyAvengers16TheBastard-Megan-2.jpg

And then we continue on from that final panel and jump right into the fight with New Avengers Issue 27...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/NewAvengers027-page01.jpg

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 01:08 PM

MIGHTY AVENGERS #7:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/MightyAvengers07-003-1.jpg

In Mighty Avengers 7 our suspicions on Spider-Woman have been slightly put to rest when she actually brings in the Skrull version of Elektra's body.

NEW AVENGERS #40:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/NewAvengers40-022-1.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/NewAvengers40-023.jpg

However, in Flashback issue New Avengers 40 we discover that the Skrull Queen had actually chosen Spider-Woman as the person to replace on Earth. This is a pretty cool reveal and this Spider-Woman story arc (with the following flashback issues 42 & 45) working best as the Flashbacks were originally intended. Placing these issues in a linear fashion would simply take away the cool question that has been raised over the last few issues. Is Spider-Woman a Skrull spy???

Oh, you better believe she is. Especially after such a cool reveal.

SKRULLS #1 (ONE SHOT) (ENCYCLOPEDIA)

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Skrulls01Archangel-Megan-Alias-TheR.jpg

Oh, and it might be my personal tastes, but issues like this inserted into my over-all reading into the Secret Invasion Saga would just distract me from the over-all reading of the story. I think this type of issue was meant as a supplemental reading type of a thing... where one would read it after you are all done reading Secret Invasion and if you want to read it when you are done.... by all means it is there for informational purposes.

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 01:26 PM

Confessor:

You and probably a couple other people are gonna want to smash my head in...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/StoryofRicky.gif

I tore apart the order of the list again for story reasons (all while trying to keep it as linear as possible).

In fact, you could say that story in my opinion should always come first. We are after all... reading a story. Every issue should be as linear whenever possible, but if the flow of the story is interrupted, and a flashback works better in linear fashion or as a flashback.... I am gonna have to go with whatever serves the flow of the story the best.

Furthermore, I also believe that issues should also be placed (whenever possible) in story arcs, too.

To go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth....

can be a bit confusing when reading issues.

Basically, what I mean by this is that if their is a comic series that appears to have no time gaps in-between each issue, well then I think a comic title should be read back to back (or issue to issue) whenever possible.

In other words, I feel it reads more naturally if you read it like this....

New Avengers 27
New Avengers 28
New Avengers 29
New Avengers 30
New Avengers 31

Rather than like this

New Avengers 27
Mighty Dog Ruler 6
New Avengers 28
I Love Cheese 100
New Avengers 29
Supertight Man 22

Also, to get inside my mind: you could say that this book has been a heavy influence on me over the past year...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Screenplay.jpg

In fact, even when I watch movies now I dig into the plot (looking for Act's 1, 2, 3, and also the theme, as well).

Sometimes it is annoying for me to over analyze a film or story.

But I wouldn't go back if you paid me.

Anyways... after looking at the order of the Secret Invasion issues again in more depth...

I have come to the conclusion to come up with a separate list.

In fact, I was kind of hoping to still get your input and of course compare your list with mine occasionally (That you have worked really hard on).

Anyways, I am calling my list the...

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READERS LIST

of which you can find at this post below by clicking on the following link here...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7985108&postcount=207

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The Confessor

12-01-2008, 02:07 PM

I understand your placing, though, and it can go anywhere (but just to note: there doesn't need to be "time" for this news to reach the YA/Runaways, as it is a Quicksilver-like speedster that brings the news. Thus he's in and out in a matter of a second). But it's going to take place AFTER SI #3, most likely during SI #4, so if Ms. Marvel and Iron Man are during SI #3 than put them before YA/Runaways. How does that sound?

Sounds perfectly fine to me. I think I'll stick Runaways/YA #3 straight after Ms. marvel #29 then.

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 02:13 PM

Alright, another little glitch. SI: Front Line, IMO, is all together and it shouldn't be. I moved the first ASM issue too, so I'll just give you what it should look like

You know, I've had a real problem with Secret Invasion: Front Line since the beginning. The trouble is that throughout the series it darts back and fourth all over the place. I mean, take issue issue #1 for instance, if I recall correctly, it starts something like 14 hours after the Skrulls land in Times Square, then skips to the night before the invasion and then ends up at the moment that the Skrulls first land. I've been thinking for a while now that I might just move Secret Invasion: Front Line #1 - #5 to a position after Secret Invasion #8. So that they are a whole five issue block, kind of looking back at the whole invasion from the ordinary people of the Marvel Universe's perspective.

What do people think of this suggestion?

I moved the first ASM issue too

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15

How come you've moved SI: ASM #1? what was your thinking behind that?

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 02:28 PM

Confessor:

You and probably a couple other people are gonna want to smash my head in...

That animated .gif is absolutely gross. :evilangry:

Basically, what I mean by this is that if their is a comic series that appears to have no time gaps in-between each issue, well then I think a comic title should be read back to back (or issue to issue) whenever possible.

In other words, I feel it reads more naturally if you read it like this....

New Avengers 27
New Avengers 28
New Avengers 29
New Avengers 30
New Avengers 31

Rather than like this

New Avengers 27
Mighty Dog Ruler 6
New Avengers 28
I Love Cheese 100
New Avengers 29
Supertight Man 22

Well, OK...whatever works for you I guess. My thinking is similar, in as much as whenever possible, when the end of one issue dovetails exactly into the start of the next one I've tried to keep them together. However, whenever there is an indeterminate amount of time passing between issues, I've used it as an excuse to zip away and catch up with what's happening at the same time elsewhere in the Marvel Universe. My problem with having complete story arcs like you're suggesting is that too much time passes while the story-arc is playing out and consequentially you then have to keep zipping right back to an earlier time to pick up the beginning of another character's story-arc.

To my mind, whole story-arcs put together in blocks like this are just too unwieldy and make the Reading Order much more clunky…but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Anyways... after looking at the order of the Secret Invasion issues again in more depth...

I have come to the conclusion to come up with a separate list.

In fact, I was kind of hoping to still get your input and of course compare your list with mine occasionally (That you have worked really hard on).

Anyways, I am calling my list the...

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READERS LIST

OK, that's fine with me. There may be others who will appreciate your particular method of reading Secret Invasion and its associated tie-ins.

Gyroscope352

12-01-2008, 02:42 PM

You know, I've had a real problem with Secret Invasion: Front Line since the beginning. The trouble is that throughout the series it darts back and fourth all over the place. I mean, take issue issue #1 for instance, if I recall correctly, it starts something like 14 hours after the Skrulls land in Times Square, then skips to the night before the invasion and then ends up at the moment that the Skrulls first land. I've been thinking for a while now that I might just move Secret Invasion: Front Line #1 - #5 to a position after Secret Invasion #8. So that they are a whole five issue block, kind of looking back at the whole invasion from the ordinary people of the Marvel Universe's perspective.

What do people think of this suggestion?

Well, the idea is that the narration is coming after the invasion has ended, and the pictures/dialogue is during the invasion and it lets you know when in the invasion this happened. Your idea is fine with me, but it works either way at this point.

How come you've moved SI: ASM #1? what was your thinking behind that?

I don't quite remember. I think it was because most of it took place long before the invasion started, and it just fit better before delving into the whole Runaways thing, which takes place a bit closer to the invasion. Also, our placement with these issues was rather random, and with the Runaways issues spreading out, it just made more sense there.

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 03:05 PM

Well, the idea is that the narration is coming after the invasion has ended, and the pictures/dialogue is during the invasion and it lets you know when in the invasion this happened.

Yeah, that's exactly why I'm thinking that all five issues should maybe be moved to after Secret Invasion #8, since that's when the story is being “told”, if you catch my drift.

I don't quite remember. I think it was because most of it took place long before the invasion started, and it just fit better before delving into the whole Runaways thing, which takes place a bit closer to the invasion. Also, our placement with these issues was rather random, and with the Runaways issues spreading out, it just made more sense there.

Well, the Skrull ships appear in the sky almost exactly half way through issue #1, so I know what you mean about the book opening before the actual Invasion begins. However, issue #3 of SI:ASM has a prologue that takes place after the Invasion but because the bulk of it is set during the early hours of the New York invasion, I've placed it where I have. This same reasoning is behind my placing of issue #1 as well.

Another reason for SI:ASM #1 being placed after Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 is that, as I understand it, the Runaways are "right there" when the Skrulls touch down in New York. Whereas the scene with the Super-Skrull invading the DB! offices in SI:ASM #1 is obviously taking place a bit later than the first two issues of R/YA.

I don't know, I guess my feeling is that Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 works better left where it is.

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 03:06 PM

OK, just a minor update to the chronologically Reading Order to include Secret Invasion: X-Men #4 and Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 which came out last week. I've also moved Runaways/Young Avengers #3 in agreement with Gyroscope352's suggestions.

Anyway, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 03:19 PM

Story arcs are a natural apart of storytelling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_arc

Whether you like them or not is all a preference of taste of course.

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 03:20 PM

My problem with having complete story arcs like you're suggesting is that too much time passes while the story-arc is playing out and consequentially you then have to keep zipping right back to an earlier time to pick up the beginning of another character's story-arc.

Confessor:

Not to argue a point of preference or personal taste.

But. Let me put it to you another way.

Lets say there is a new Daredevil 6 issue limited series and a new 6 issue Wolverine series coming out.

Now each issue of the series happens back to back with no gaps in time between each of the issues.

However, both series cross over each other and both Wolverine and Daredevil team up on occasion to fight.

Now, would you read both series like this...

Option A:

Daredevil #1
Wolverine #1
Daredevil #2
Wolverine #2
Daredevil #3
Wolverine #3
ECT....

or would you read both series like this....

Option B:

Daredevil #1
Daredevil #2
Daredevil #3
ECT....
Wolverine #1
Wolverine #2
Wolverine #3

Personally, I would go with Option B: were you read one series title at a time.
It is easy for me to figure out the time line when I am reading each of the series.

Plus, it feels much, much more natural to read it like Option B.

To my mind, whole story-arcs put together in blocks like this are just too unwieldy and make the Reading Order much more clunky…but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Check out my reading order and my explanations to my placement again.

It really does flow nicely and makes sense.

And it doesn't feel like you are jumping back in time when reading each of my Arcs (With the exception of stories that repeat themselves (like the Avengers & Others Battling the Skrulls in Manhattan obviously)).

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Gyroscope352

12-01-2008, 03:33 PM

Well, the Skrull ships appear in the sky almost exactly half way through issue #1, so I know what you mean about the book opening before the actual Invasion begins. However, issue #3 of SI:ASM has a prologue that takes place after the Invasion but because the bulk of it is set during the early hours of the New York invasion, I've placed it where I have. This same reasoning is behind my placing of issue #1 as well.

Another reason for SI:ASM #1 being placed after Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 is that, as I understand it, the Runaways are "right there" when the Skrulls touch down in New York. Whereas the scene with the Super-Skrull invading the DB! offices in SI:ASM #1 is obviously taking place a bit later than the first two issues of R/YA.

I don't know, I guess my feeling is that Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 works better left where it is.

Eh, you're probably right. Go ahead and leave it; I'll do the same.

Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 03:50 PM

Well, my list and yours really differs.

I don't want to get in an arm wrestling match over all the issues.

But the Secret Invasion Prologue needs to go at the beginning.

That one really bothers me.

It needs to be the first issue of the entire Secret Invasion Saga.

At least if your following a linear time line that makes sense, anyways.

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 04:04 PM

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 04:19 PM

Story arcs are a natural apart of storytelling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_arc

Whether you like them or not is all a preference of taste of course.

True...but just like writing music or poetry, the only rules are...there are no rules. :tongue: :wink:

Let me put it to you another way.

Lets say there is a new Daredevil 6 issue limited series and a new 6 issue Wolverine series coming out.

Now each issue of the series happens back to back with no gaps in time between each of the issues.

However, both series cross over each other and both Wolverine and Daredevil team up on occasion to fight.

Now, would you read both series like this...

Option A:

Daredevil #1
Wolverine #1
Daredevil #2
Wolverine #2
Daredevil #3
Wolverine #3
ECT....

or would you read both series like this....

Option B:

Daredevil #1
Daredevil #2
Daredevil #3
ECT....
Wolverine #1
Wolverine #2
Wolverine #3

Well, I see your point and I wouldn't necessarily just arbitrarily put them in A/B/A/B/A/B style order, I would go with whatever I felt read the best. But then again, we're not just talking about two mini-series that interlock, we're taking about a huge Marvel Universe spanning event that features over 25 separate interlocking series. That makes a big difference in my opinion, hence my comments about featuring whole, uninterrupted story-arcs being a bit to unwieldy.

Still, it's all personal preference, so if you prefer to order the books in your way...go for your life.

The Confessor

12-01-2008, 04:23 PM

Eh, you're probably right. Go ahead and leave it; I'll do the same.

OK, cool. I'm glad we can agree about this...it'd be nice, I think, to have our two reading orders being basically the same apart from the obvious different placements of the flashback issues. I think that would be a useful thing for other folks who are maybe viewing this thread with interest but aren’t necessarily posting.

Gyroscope352

12-01-2008, 05:16 PM

OK, cool. I'm glad we can agree about this...it'd be nice, I think, to have our two reading orders being basically the same apart from the obvious different placements of the flashback issues. I think that would be a useful thing for other folks who are maybe viewing this thread with interest but aren’t necessarily posting.

Good idea. Though I still think one or two other issues differ (probably Thunderbolts), but other than that they should be the same. The philosophy behind placing the flashbacks where they are kind of transfer to some other issues too. But I think this threads working pretty well so far.

Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 07:38 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/00Secreta.jpg

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

CAPTAIN MARVEL DIES.
Death of Captain Marvel (Optional Tie-In)

ARC 0: SKRULL MOTIVATIONS).
Annihilation Saga (Optional Tie-In)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: THE INTRODUCTION:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44

ARC 2: THE FORESHADOWING:
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 3: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 4: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

MISTRUST:
New Avengers #38

ARC 5: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 6: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

ARC 7: POWER PACK
Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 8: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 9: TROUBLE IN ASGARD.
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

ARC 10: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6 (QUESTION IS RAISED ON WHETHER OR NOT EARTH STILL EXISTS....INSTILLING FEAR (in you ("the reader")) ABOUT THE UPCOMING SKRULL ATTACK)

ARC 11: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

ARCH 12: DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1 (DEADPOOL TAKES ON A SKRULL SHIP)
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3 (OSBOURNE OBTAINS SKRULL DATA)

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 13: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
Ms. Marvel #28 (MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL & TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED MANHATTAN)

THE QUEEN PART 3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3 (POSSIBLE KREE RE-ENFORCEMENTS)
(A RAY OF HOPE SHINES AT THE END OF A DARK CHAPTER).

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 14: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

NO WARNING
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES PART 1) (EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS ON THE WEST COAST)

ARC 15: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3

ARC:16 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 17: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5

ARC 18: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE AT MANHATTAN:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)

(UPCOMING ISSUES COULD BE PLACED HERE)

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL:

Skrulls #1 (one shot) (ENCYCLOPEDIA)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1 (BEHIND THE SCENES)

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008) (TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)
Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event) (TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)
Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event) (SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE).

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

SI X-men #4
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
New Avengers #47
SECRET INVASION #8
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Inhumans #4
Avengers Initiative #19
Invincible Iron Man #8
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 07:47 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SkrullMasks-1.jpg

Sorry true believers.

My thread was moved here.

So I slightly updated the Story Format Version Reader's List with all the explanations in the list above.

Side Note :

Just to let you know, I am pretty darn happy with my list right now.

However, I am open to suggestions on the re-arrangement or placement of my issues ordering if anyone has any?

Side Note 2:

I also added the Pre-Invasion: Annihilation Saga (below) to help give readers a more rich experience before diving into Secret Invasion, too. It is of course entirely optional to read this saga (as stated in my Secret Invasion List above).

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Graphic Man

12-01-2008, 07:59 PM

ANNIHILATION SAGA (PRE-INVASION) READING ORDER:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/AnnihilationSaga.jpg

Drax The Destroyer #1
Drax The Destroyer #2
Drax The Destroyer #3
Drax The Destroyer #4
Annihilation Prologue
Annihilation: Silver Surfer #1
Annihilation: Silver Surfer #2
Annihilation: Silver Surfer #3
Annihilation: Silver Surfer #4
Annihilation: Super Skrull #1
Annihilation: Super Skrull #2
Annihilation: Super Skrull #3
Annihilation: Super Skrull #4
Annihilation: Nova #1
Annihilation: Nova #2
Annihilation: Nova #3
Annihilation: Nova #4
Annihilation: Ronan #1
Annihilation: Ronan #2
Annihilation: Ronan #3
Annihilation: Ronan #4
Annihilation #1
Annihilation #2
Annihilation #3
Annihilation #4
Annihilation #5
Annihilation #6
Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus #1
Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus #2
Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus #3
Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus #4

I threw this list in here as a Prequel Event to Secret Invasion.

As mentioned on the Wikipedia Secret Invasion Page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Invasion

Side Note:

The Reading Order of the Annihilation Saga (above) was compiled exactly as mentioned at the Wikipedia Annihilation Page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation_(comics)

Side Note 2:

Again, this Annihilation list is entirely optional to read (as mentioned in my Secret Invasion List above).

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Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 07:25 AM

Gyroscope352

12-02-2008, 07:45 AM

The Confessor

12-02-2008, 08:46 AM

Confessor:

I think the following issues (below) should be re-considered for re-arrangement on your list:

SECRET INVASION PROLOGUE #1:
MIGHTY AVENGERS #15

Secret Invasion Prologue 1 and Mighty Avengers 15 clearly happens before New Avengers Illuminati Issue #1.

This is incorrect, as Gyroscope352 has pointed out. New Avengers: Illuminati #1 takes place way, way back during the Kree/Skrull War and pre-dates everything else in our reading order by a country mile. As far as Mighty Avengers 15 goes, this is happening shortly after the Raft prison Breakout...if you look at Hank Pym's laptop in this issue it clearly dates the issue to this time period.

As for Secret Invasion: Prologue #1, this is after Civil War and the death of captain America. You can find a more detailed explanation of our descision to place this issue where we have here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7847771&postcount=109).

DEADPOOL #1-3

The Deadpool issues should happen before Secret Invasion #1, as well.
There is no time gaps between Issues 1-3 and at the end of Issue 3 we have Osbourne (Leader of the The Thunderbolts) stealing information from Deadpool in a nice looking dress suit.

In Secret Invasion #1: Osbourne is confronted by Captain Marvel and then (with no time gaps) he leads his team to fight the Skrulls in downtown Manhattan (where he eventually fights alongside the Avengers & Company).

And no. Osbourne doesn't run back to his office real quick during the battle and puts on his dress suit just to steal the Skrull data from Deadpool either.

Again, this is incorrect. Deapool #1 takes place after Secret Invasion #2 and #3 because that's when the Skrulls begin their landings. The openning scene in Deadpool #1 shows a Skrull craft showing up at a baseball game...how could this possibly be before Secret Invasion #1??? :confused:

As for there being no time gaps between issues, this isn’t really true. Shortly after the start of Deadpool #2, Deadpool is knocked out and an indeterminate amount of time passes while he is transported to Mt. . So the bulk of Deadpool #2 is clearly happening a bit later than the events of issue #2. Then, in issue #3 (I believe) it states that 24 hours have passed. So again, time has passed.

You can read a much more detailed rationalisation of my and Gyroscope352's decision to place Deadpool #1 - #3 and Thunderbolts #122 - #125 where we have, on this page (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=198258&page=7) of the thread. There is then a further revising of the Deadpool #1 - #3 placements in this post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7943627&postcount=152).

IRON MAN: DIRECTOR OF SHIELD #33-34

Iron Man 33 picks up the story (Immediately From Secret Invasion #1) were Iron Man is being electrocuted in his own suit.

I'm sorry to sound like a scratched record but again, this is incorrect. Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33 actually picks up from where Avengers: The Initiative #16 leaves off. Hence my placement of it directly after that issue. In Avengers: The Initiative #16 we see Randy Rhodes leaving Camp Hammond because he's received an emergency message from Tony Stark. We then see where he went off to and what he did in Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33.

NEW AVENGERS ILLUMINATI #2-3 Vs. CAPTAIN MARVEL #1-3

Okay. You deleted the Captain Marvel's 1-3. Clearly these are really important issues to the saga. Captain Marvel questions whether or not he is a Skrull. That is important stuff. Thus his return (Making Newspaper headlines) is important to the story. Especially when we see Skrulls in Issue #3. Why are we cutting these issues again???

Errr...did I cut them out? :confused: Oh, OK...yes, you're right...they've dissapeared. I've no idea how that happened. I'll put them back because as you point out, they are important.

Now, on the other hand you are keeping something that obviously doesn't have anything to do with Secret Invasion or ever will. Illuminati Issues 2-3 in the list deals with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Beyonder. They are completely two different storylines that has nothing to do with Invasion.

Yes, some of us on this thread have already had this conversation a few pages back. Most likely Illuminati #2 - #3 (and possibly #4 as well) will be deleted from the Reading Order once Secret Invasion #8 comes out. They were all put into our Reading Order a long time ago at a time when we weren't exactly sure what was going to be relevant or not. So, well spotted but we're already ahead of you on this one. :wink:

Side Note:

Also, I wanted to make clear that the reason for all my arcs is that there is no time gaps in-between those issues.

That is why there are so many arcs.

In other words, I combined each no-time gap issues as one whole story (as it was meant to be) so that they would read more naturally. And no. If you were to look at my list again (and read the explanations), it really doesn't come off clunky or feel like you are traveling back and forth in time when reading it either.

Well, I think you're wrong actually. There are quite a lot of gaps where an indeterminate amount of time passes during some of these arcs. You might want to re-check some of them...I mean, you've already missed some gaps taking place in the Deadpool issues (as I've mentioned above). There's probably quite a few others that you’ve missed as well.

In closing, if you have any other issues with our placings, feel free to bring them to our attention. However, you might want to check back through this thread first, to see if we’ve explained our reasons for placing those particular issues where we have. Most of these placings are backed up with sound reasoning and explainations somewhere in this thread.

Gyroscope352

12-02-2008, 08:52 AM

I'm sorry to sound like a scratched record but again, this is incorrect. Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33 actually picks up from where Avengers: The Initiative #16 leaves off. Hence my placement of it directly after that issue. In Avengers: The Initiative #16 we see Randy Rhodes leaving Camp Hammond because he's received an emergency message from Tony Stark. We then see where he went off to and what he did in Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33.

I thought Rhodes' first name was Jim...

The Confessor

12-02-2008, 09:03 AM

OK, just a minor update to the chronological Reading Order to re-include the first three issues of the Captain Marvel mini-series.

So, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order. Not in published order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

The Confessor

12-02-2008, 09:07 AM

I thought Rhodes' first name was Jim...

Ummm...yes, you're absolutely right. :redface:

Who the hell is Randy Rhodes??! :confused:

I think Randy Rhodes might be a guitarist or country 'n' western pedal-steel player or something...or maybe that's Red Rhodes?

Anyway, whoever he is, he's certainly never helped out Tony Stark. :biggrin:

Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 01:54 PM

First and foremost: you are taking quite a rude sounding tone at The Confessor and I suggest you turn it off now. There's no room for that here.
Gryro:

There is nothing like a rude ignorant skrull (which I can sometimes turn into) to ruin your day.

I deeply apologize to you and Mr. Confessor if I came off that way.

It was not my intention to be hateful or hurtful in any way.

I think I came on a little strong because I really like this Secret Invasion Series a lot.

Second, I believe you are mistaken about this...The Secret Invasion Prologue takes place after Captain America dies (right after Civil War), and MA 15 takes place around the first issus of New Avengers (when the Avengers re-form after the Raft breakout). The New Avengers Illuminati Issue #1 takes place wayyy back near Kree-Skrull War, which was years ago in Marvel time. So I think you might be thinking of something else.

You are absolutely right. I just checked and smacked myself on the head.

Illuminati does take place before everything else and I adjusted my (still in progress) list above.

In fact, I feel kind of lost about some of my list right now.

But I am slowly picking up the pieces and trying to make sense of it all still.

Confessors List is looking more and more attractive.

However, I still would like to keep The Spider-Woman Flashback Issues as Original Flashbacks, though.

But It can work either way reading it (Chronological or Original Flashback).

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Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 03:16 PM

This is incorrect, as Gyroscope352 has pointed out. New Avengers: Illuminati #1 takes place way, way back during the Kree/Skrull War.

Confessor:

Thank you for replying.

Yeah, you can kick my butt if it sounded like I was out of line.

I feel like a total arse (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arse).

Especially when I missed something so bloody obvious.

I see now that Illuminati #1 is in fact the start of Secret Invasion.

Thanks man.

Again, this is incorrect. Deapool #1 takes place after Secret Invasion #2 and #3 because that's when the Skrulls begin their landings. The openning scene in Deadpool #1 shows a Skrull craft showing up at a baseball game...how could this possibly be before Secret Invasion #1??? :confused:

I originally thought this (concerning the Deadpool series) because it was of the announcement at the end Ms Marvel #27. There was a message being relayed to her that Skrull ships were entering Earth's atmosphere. However, the real reason I thought it had to go before Secret Invasion #1 was because Osbourne was wearing a dress suit before he encountered Captain Marvel and fought down in Manhattan (in a battle suit).

It looked to me like Osbourne stayed in his battle suit the entire battle.

But I am thinking I may be wrong on this again and you are right.

Does Osbourne shed his battle suit and go back to Thunder Mountain after the Manhattan battle?

As for there being no time gaps between issues, this isn’t really true. Shortly after the start of Deadpool #2, Deadpool is knocked out and an indeterminate amount of time passes while he is transported to Mt. . So the bulk of Deadpool #2 is clearly happening a bit later than the events of issue #2. Then, in issue #3 (I believe) it states that 24 hours have passed. So again, time has passed.

Yeah, I didn't catch that gap after Deadpool issue #1.

However, unless he is a heavy sleeper... I can't imagine him not sleeping for more than one or two issues, though.

But maybe I am wrong again.

So I will definitely check out your discussion on it.

Thank you.

I'm sorry to sound like a scratched record but again, this is incorrect. Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33 actually picks up from where Avengers: The Initiative #16 leaves off. Hence my placement of it directly after that issue. In Avengers: The Initiative #16 we see Randy Rhodes leaving Camp Hammond because he's received an emergency message from Tony Stark. We then see where he went off to and what he did in Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33.

Wow.

Slap me upside the head.

And push me down a flight a stairs with a piano tied to my leg.

I didn't catch that in Initiative #16.

Okay.

So this raises two questions then:

Question 1: Is the Secret Invasion #1-8 re-capping various events all while telling current events or is it all current or all recap stuff???

Question 2: Is Secret Invasion #1 the re-cap issue or is Initiative #16 the recap issue to Iron Man #33?

Cause I was getting the impression that after Invasion #1 is when I had seen Iron Man get fried by the virus for the very first time and then Iron Man #33 was picking up the story of Iron Man getting all fried like a piece of chicken.

Also Initiative 16 kind of feels like a re-cap of the events in Iron Man 33 but I could be wrong on this again.

Here are some pics below that makes me think this....

SECRET INVASION #1:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Secret1-1.jpg

Iron Man is about to arrest someone when all of a sudden...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Secret2.jpg

The good butler sends a virus to fry Iron Man in his own suit...

IRON MAN DIRECTOR OF SHIELD #33:

We continue on from when Iron Man is being fried in his suit in Iron Man Issue 33....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/IronMan.jpg

And then....

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Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 03:25 PM

IRON MAN DIRECTOR OF SHIELD #33 (CONTINUED):

And then we follow War Machine's story-line up close and personal (keeping with the same story-line)...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/IronWarM-1.jpg

AVENGERS INITIATIVE #16:

Following up (after Iron 34 or 35) I now placed Initiative 16 as a recap to Iron Man 33 because it feels more like the story and or panels is less intense in Initiative 16....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/AvengersInitiative-009.jpg

But maybe it is just me.

Errr...did I cut them out? :confused: Oh, OK...yes, you're right...they've dissapeared. I've no idea how that happened. I'll put them back because as you point out, they are important.

Hey, thanks for bringing the Captain Marvel issues back, man.

It is appreciated.

Awesome.

Yes, some of us on this thread have already had this conversation a few pages back. Most likely Illuminati #2 - #3 (and possibly #4 as well) will be deleted from the Reading Order once Secret Invasion #8 comes out. They were all put into our Reading Order a long time ago at a time when we weren't exactly sure what was going to be relevant or not. So, well spotted but we're already ahead of you on this one. :wink:

I see a stain in the carpet and I just have to point it out.

Sorry man.

Well, I think you're wrong actually. There are quite a lot of gaps where an indeterminate amount of time passes during some of these arcs. You might want to re-check some of them...I mean, you've already missed some gaps taking place in the Deadpool issues (as I've mentioned above). There's probably quite a few others that you’ve missed as well.

Hmmm.... interesting.

*Deactivates Skrull force field belt*

*And then takes a sip of human coffee laced with Skrull sugar*

In closing, if you have any other issues with our placings, feel free to bring them to our attention. However, you might want to check back through this thread first, to see if we’ve explained our reasons for placing those particular issues where we have. Most of these placings are backed up with sound reasoning and explainations somewhere in this thread.

Cool.

I will do that.

Thank you.

*Gives you an all night ticket pass to a Female Jell-O Wrestling concert*

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Gyroscope352

12-02-2008, 03:32 PM

*Gives you all night ticket pass to a Female Jell-O Wrestling concert*

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If only... ;-)

Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 04:09 PM

I am definitely a strong supporter in the female Jell-O wrestling community.

I worked on a film (that my friends made here in Cleveland for a big chunk of money) that had a scene that involved female Jell-O wrestling.

Unfortunately, I was at work when they were shooting that scene...

but I did get to see the footage in the editing room later on, which looked pretty dang awesome (if I do say so myself).

*drools into coffee*

*Turns Skrull force field belt back on to prevent any more drool from escaping.*

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Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 04:56 PM

My Fellow Comic Book Friends:

I have a question with one more issue and it's placement:

So please don't kill me:

INCREDIBLE HERCULES #117

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Herc-023.jpg

In Incredible Hercules 117: we see Earth fighter jets attack some Skrull ships.
Hercules is told that he is too late. Implying that the attack has already just begun.

That is why I feel this issue could go before Invasion #1.

Skrull ships enter atmosphere....(as mentioned in Ms Marvel 27) and then Earth fighter jets take them on.

This isn't the Skrull ships landing or anything... it is just the first wave of attacks above in the upper Earth's atmosphere.

Maybe I am grasping at straws on this one, too.

But could it be a possibility???

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princesa

12-02-2008, 05:32 PM

The Confessor

12-02-2008, 06:06 PM

So this raises two questions then:

Question 1: Is the Secret Invasion #1-8 re-capping various events all while telling current events or is it all current or all recap stuff???

Question 2: Is Secret Invasion #1 the re-cap issue or is Initiative #16 the recap issue to Iron Man #33?

Cause I was getting the impression that after Invasion #1 is when I had seen Iron Man get fried by the virus for the very first time and then Iron Man #33 was picking up the story of Iron Man getting all fried like a piece of chicken.

Also Initiative 16 kind of feels like a re-cap of the events in Iron Man 33 but I could be wrong on this again.

I'm not 100% exactly what you're asking here but what I can tell you, is that just like Civil War and World War Hulk, there are events in the Secret Invasion main series that are also shown happening in the tie-in books and visa versa.

What you have to remember about Secret Invasion (and what makes working out a Reading Order really tricky) is that Secret Invasion is happening over a very short period of time. From the Skrull ship crashing in the Savage Land through to the big battle in Central Park, only a day and a half (probably more like just 18 hours) has passed. As I'm sure you can appreciate, that means that an awful lot of stuff in various tie-ins is happening simultaneously.

To answer one of your specific queries, the scene at the start of Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33 of Tony Stark succumbing to the Skrull virus is a flashback or re-cap to clue in any reader's who’re not buying the main Secret Invasion title.

I now placed Initiative 16 as a recap to Iron Man 33 because it feels more like the story and or panels is less intense in Initiative 16....

But maybe it is just me.

I wouldn't call either issue a re-cap of the other; they both just depict some of the same scenes. These two issues are clearly happening roughly simultaneously and I just put Avengers: The Initiative #16 before Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33 because I felt that they worked best in this order.

Jim Rhodes getting the secret message from Tony Stark in Avengers: The Initiative #16 was just a little aside in that issue, which is followed up and explored in greater detail in Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33...it's not the main subject of Avengers: The Initiative #16 if memory serves me correctly.

Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 06:22 PM

Mr Confessor:

I hope your day is going good today sir.

*Gives you a box of fresh Skrull chocolates*

So down to business again my friend....

Actually it is a continuation from my previous post to you.

I noticed that you had placed Deadpool #3 in-between New Warriors #124 and #125 (plus some other issues).

See the thing is that there could be a time gap in-between Issues #124 and #125, but it doesn't look like it would be that long of a one by the looks of it.

Maybe you could squeeze one issue in-between #124 and #125 but it would have to be something else besides Deadpool, though.

Why do I say this?

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Thunderbolts124Zone-Megan-Resinpg24.jpg

Well, at the end of #124 we have Osbourne sitting at the Lincoln monument and then.....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Thunderbolts125Zone-Meganpg03-1.jpg

by the beginning of issue #125 (page 2) we see Osbourne chatting with a reporter not far from the monument.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Thunderbolts125Zone-Meganpg24.jpg

By the end of Issue 125: we see Osbourne going into battle (in his battle suit of which he which he put on right after he made Captain Marvel fly off into the sky).

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Deadpool-024.jpg

So the only time Osbourne could be wearing this suit at the end of Deadpool #3 is either after the battle in DC or before he meets up with Captain Marvel (which would place it a little time after the Skrull ships hit the atmosphere on Earth).

Side Note:

It is possible that one Skrull ship (a possible scout ship) had landed before the other ones earlier on...

It is possible that Nick Fury knew where the scout ship was going to land and had already employed Deadpool for such a contingency mission.

So when the scout ship landed...

Nick Fury already was one step ahead of the Skrulls and had Deadpool there waiting for them.

I mean it is reasonable to assume that some (smaller or medium sized scout) ships would land first...

Especially, after the announcement came to Ms Marvel that various Skrull ships had been entering Earth's atmosphere.

At least that is my 2 cents worth anyways.

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The Confessor

12-02-2008, 06:25 PM

In Incredible Hercules 117: we see Earth fighter jets attack some Skrull ships.
Hercules is told that he is too late. Implying that the attack has already just begun.

That is why I feel this issue could go before Invasion #1.

The thing is though, Hercules is in California when he sees the Skrull ships appearing and we know that the West Coast Skrull Invasion took place a little while after the New York (east coast) invasion, thanks to Secret Invasion: X-Men #1. The Skrull invasion of San Francisco is also shown in Secret Invasion: X-Men #1, which is why the Incredible Hercules issues and the X-Men issues are placed so close to each other.

You can read more about our reasoning for the placement of Secret Invasion: X-Men #1 here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7827910&postcount=86) and here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7829586&postcount=89). You can also read about how we placed the Incredible Hercules issues here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7858252&postcount=122).

Hope that explains things a bit.

The Confessor

12-02-2008, 06:32 PM

I am ready for the SI to be over it ran out of steam for me a little especially with so much old ground being recovered in the Avengers titles. I have to say the Panther arc was the one I enjoyed the most. Loved that Skull commander.

Yeah, I kinda know what you mean. I'm definitely feeling a bit Skrull'ed out by Secret Invasion now. I'm still looking forward to Secret Invasion #8 and I hope that it doesn't disappoint but after that...let's hurry up and move on into Dark Reign or whatever's happening next. :smile:

By the way princesa, just out of interest, have you been following our Reading Order on this thread? Do you find it useful?

The Confessor

12-02-2008, 07:06 PM

I noticed that you had placed Deadpool #3 in-between New Warriors #124 and #125 (plus some other issues).

See the thing is that there could be a time gap in-between Issues #124 and #125, but it doesn't look like it would be that long of a one by the looks of it.

Maybe you could squeeze one issue in-between #124 and #125 but it would have to be something else besides Deadpool, though.

Err...OK, first off, I assume that you mean Thunderbolts #123 and #124, not New Warriors?

by the beginning of issue #125 (page 2) we see Osbourne chatting with a reporter not far from the monument.

By the end of Issue 125: we see Osbourne going into battle (in his battle suit of which he which he put on right after he made Captain Marvel fly off into the sky).

So the only time Osbourne could be wearing this suit at the end of Deadpool #3 is either after the battle in DC or before he meets up with Captain Marvel (which would place it right before the Skrull ships hit the atmosphere on Earth).

Side Note:

It is possible that one Skrull ship (a possible scout ship) had landed before the other ones earlier on...

It is possible that Nick Fury knew where the scout ship was going to land and had already employed Deadpool for such a contingency mission.

So when the scout ship landed...

Nick Fury already was one step ahead of the Skrulls and had Deadpool there waiting for them.

I mean it is reasonable to assume that some (smaller) ships would land...

Especially, after the announcement came to Ms Marvel that various Skrull ships had been entering Earth's atmosphere.

Well, that's a nice theory but with all due respect, that's all it is, a nice theory. I don't think we can start ordering the Reading Order based on theories and speculation. It has to be done using hard facts and evidence presented in the comic books.

As for Norman Osborn not wearing his battle suit in Deadpool #3, I have to say that's probably just a continuity glitch on the artist's part. It's not the only continuity glitch in the Deadpool issues either...as I mentioned before, Deadpool #2 says that 24 hours have passed while the Skrulls clone Deadpool. This can't be true though because the whole of Secret Invasion only takes a day and a half to play out.

I'm not suggesting that Norman Osborn intercepted the Skrull data Deadpool sent to Nick Fury in the gap between Thunderbolts #124 and #125 though, just that it must've happened somewhere around the same time. Norman needs to obtain this data for the battle in Central Park, which we see in Thunderbolts #125, that's why Deadpool #3 is placed between Thunderbolts #124 and #125 in our reading order.

Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 07:07 PM

Mr Confessor:

You do have a point about the whole Hercules being on the West Coast side with the X-men.

That does make a lot of sense.

It just pains me to move Hercules #117.

I really liked seeing the ships attacking before Secret Invasion #1 began...

but l am gonna have to concede to your judgement on this one (because of the facts involved).

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Graphic Man

12-02-2008, 07:56 PM

Err...OK, first off, I assume that you mean Thunderbolts #123 and #124, not New Warriors?

Yes.

Damn. Did I say New Warriors?

I must be getting tired.

I knew it was the Thunderbolts...I just typed the wrong team name in.

Sorry about that.

As for Norman Osborn not wearing his battle suit in Deadpool #3, I have to say that's probably just a continuity glitch on the artist's part. It's not the only continuity glitch in the Deadpool issues either...as I mentioned before, Deadpool #2 says that 24 hours have passed while the Skrulls clone Deadpool. This can't be true though because the whole of Secret Invasion only takes a day and a half to play out.

I'm not suggesting that Norman Osborn intercepted the Skrull data Deadpool sent to Nick Fury in the gap between Thunderbolts #124 and #125 though, just that it must've happened somewhere around the same time. Norman needs to obtain this data for the battle in Central Park, which we see in Thunderbolts #125, that's why Deadpool #3 is placed between Thunderbolts #124 and #125 in our reading order.

You are right in the fact that the issue is clearly a mistake on the creator's part.

There is also a newspaper showing the Skrulls have landed in Issue #2, as well.

However, I know you like to deal in hard cold facts but for me: I think the only way to salvage this mistake is to still place the issue right before Secret Invasion #1.

It is highly unlikely these ideas are true but there are no other explanations:

So here they are....

1. The whole Skrull Newspaper thing could have been from a town near Deadpool that is experiencing Skrull problems and that is why Deadpool mentions the Invasion.

2. The ship landing 24 hours plus some additional time (with Deadpool) sleeping could be just an early scout ship like I said before (landing 24 hours plus before the initial fleet hits the atmosphere).

Clearly, this series had a lot of mistakes. But I am just trying to place it in a spot where the reader won't be all that confused (by its placement).

There is no good explanation that I can come up with to support Osbourne switching into his business later on in the series...

so I am gonna have to go with my original placement on this one, still.

No matter how ridiculous it might sound.

Especially, when we are just talking about a fictional story involving alien invaders who can take human form in the first place.

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longshot3

12-02-2008, 09:12 PM

The Confessor

12-03-2008, 05:44 AM

Freakin awesome thread, once again, you guys. I don't know how many times I can thank you for this. I just started my reading of the whole thing yesterday, and I'm almost to SECRET INVASION # 3. I doubt I'll be ready to read # 8 tomorrow, but hopefully, I'll get there this weekend at the latest.

I must say, that so far, it has been awesome reading this series for the first time all at once, and I would probably say that if I had been reading it as each issue came out, it wouldn't be as fun, for me anyway.

You're welcome. I'm glad that you're finding all our procrastinating and issue juggling useful. Just out of interest, which Reading Order are you using? I'm assuming from your post that you're using Gyroscope352's Reading Order with the flashback issues placed in publication order?

Anyway, while you're reading through the story, if you spot an error in our placings or something that doesn't quite make sense, please do let us know. People like you that are trawling through our Reading Order are in a unique position to let us know how the whole thing flows. To be honest, I'd be surprised if there isn't a least a few placement errors somewhere along the line. Who knows though...maybe we got lucky!

The only issues I read last spring were the Illuminati issues 1-5 and Secret Invasion #1, so I knew every reveal in those issues. I managed to stay relatively spoiler-free this whole time, except that I do know who the Skrull empress is posing as (it hasn't yet really been revealed at the point I'm reading now)

So, after, all the reveals in SI #1 and the empress reveal, and there any more big or small skrull reveals left? (excluding of course whatever is revealed in tomorrow's books)

PS: I would rather not know who the reveals are, just if there are any more. thanks again for organizing the reading order confesser and gyro

Ummm...I can't think of any other Skrull reveals after Secret Invasion issue #1, off of the top of my head (I'm sure someone here will correct me if I'm wrong). I'm pretty sure there will be a big Skrull reveal taking place in Secret Invasion #8 though.

longshot3

12-03-2008, 08:35 AM

I am reading Gyroscope's reading order with the flashbacks in the middle of the story.

The only placement issue I have is a very minor one: the placement of Avengers: The Initiative # 15. this was the issue where the Inititive cadets gather up to go to times Square to join the fight. I wanted to place this issue before SI: Runaways/Young Avengers #2. But it is only because of the 1 panel in R/YA #2 that shows the Initiative troops already in Times Square. I guess AI #15 could go anywhere before the R/YA issues. Honestly it is such a minor detail and it isn't that big of a deal.

Aside from that, the placements are perfect and I truly believe this is the way to go, reading the whole story all at once instead of when each issue comes out for maximum enjoyment.

Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 11:56 AM

Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 12:15 PM

I moved Mighty Avengers 15 and Secret Invasion Prologue right after Mighty Avengers 16 for obvious reasons (that I initially missed).

I moved Avengers Initiative after Iron Man because Initiative 16 feels like it re-caps Iron Man 33. Plus, Iron Man 33 seems to start off the story right where Secret Invasion leaves off (Thus preserving a major story-line or arc).

I moved Nova before She Hulk because I had the two events mixed up when reading them. However, after looking at the Strict Chronological Order List (Thank you Confessor) I was able to place these issue arcs in a more linear placement.

I moved Thunderbolts Arc right after Secret Invasion 3 because the Thunderbolt's Arc seemed to follow (very nicely) right after Secret Invasion #3.

I moved Hercules 117 right before X-men 1 because Hercules is on the West Coast (San Fran) like the X-men. (Thanks again for the tip Confessor).

I moved Front Line right before The Major Avengers Attack issues (Arc) instead of after because...

(a) The Avengers Major Attack Arc feels like it is going to be the last major event of this series. (In other words: It is Act 3: The Resolution (Grand Finale))

(b) Having the Avengers and Company save the day after such a personal attack on the people feels a lot more dramatic, emotional, and personal on a human level (because it is a story about regular folks with no powers (just like us)). Then to have the Heroes come on in and save us is just awesome.

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Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 01:19 PM

Mr. Confessor:

I just want to say thank you again for the list that you created.

My Story Format List wouldn't be possible without all your hard work.

I have tried to arrange (or align) my story arcs as close to your list as possible now.

Because trying to keep it chronological whenever possible is still very important to me (as I'm sure it is to a lot of folks out there).

Anyways, I have called upon your unique talents again my friend...

And I was kind of hoping you could help out (whenever you have the time (of course)).

Alright. Here it is. I was wondering if you you could provide a link to one of your posted discussions or simply type a brief one sentence (explanation) to the placement of the following issues on this list of issues found on your master list....

1. Avengers Initiative Annual #1
2. Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
3. Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
4. Secret Invasion: Thor #1
5. Ms. Marvel #28
6. Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
7. Punisher: War Journal #24

In fact, just to let you know: I scoured my list and these were the only issues that I am not sure on their placement (just yet).

As for the upcoming issues or other new releases...

Well, I am gonna have to wait & see until I pick up those issues and read them.

Maybe their placement will be obvious and easy (and I won't have to bother you).

Thank you again kind sir.

All your hard work is much appreciated.

And... hopefully we can give people two options in reading when this is all done.

I will of course explain my reasonings behind the placing of each of my arcs to everyone....when the this Secret Invasion Saga is all done.

Have a good day.

:smile:

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The Confessor

12-03-2008, 03:02 PM

The only placement issue I have is a very minor one: the placement of Avengers: The Initiative # 15. this was the issue where the Inititive cadets gather up to go to times Square to join the fight. I wanted to place this issue before SI: Runaways/Young Avengers #2. But it is only because of the 1 panel in R/YA #2 that shows the Initiative troops already in Times Square. I guess AI #15 could go anywhere before the R/YA issues. Honestly it is such a minor detail and it isn't that big of a deal.

No, no...it's not a minor detail at all. It’s the kind of detail that keeps me awake at nights! :wink: Thanks for the "heads up" though and very well spotted, I'll have to take a look at this and see if I can work out a better placing for Avengers: The Initiative #15.

Aside from that, the placements are perfect and I truly believe this is the way to go, reading the whole story all at once instead of when each issue comes out for maximum enjoyment.

Good to hear that you're enjoying reading the issues this way!

The Confessor

12-03-2008, 04:03 PM

Mr. Confessor:

I just want to say thank you again for the list that you created.

My Story Format List wouldn't be possible without all your hard work.

No problem! But I should say that there are a fair few other people on this thread who have contributed to making the Reading Order what it is...in particular Gyroscope352 but others as well. Even before that though, the first building blocks of this reading order were hammered out by quite a number of us, so I can't really take all the credit.

Anyway, here are my brief answers to your questions about placements for the following issues...

1. Avengers Initiative Annual #1

Placed after Initiative #5 because it came out around the same time and because the Skrull reveal at the end of the issue is obviously not long before the beginning of the invasion in Initiative continuity. Really it could probably sit anywhere around this area but I think it fits well where it is.

2. Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
3. Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4

Issue #3 has no reference to anything on Earth connected to the Invasion itself and so has been placed where it has simply because it’s set some time after issue #2. As for issue #4, this ends with the Skrull war fleet approaching Earth; hence it’s placing before Secret Invasion #1.

4. Secret Invasion: Thor #1

Read all about it here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7847631&postcount=107) and here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7847791&postcount=110).

5. Ms. Marvel #28

Ms. Marvel's just got back to New York from the Savage Land (see Secret Invasion #3) as this issue opens. Ms. Marvel #28 is placed where it is because the battle in Times Square is in full flow but we haven't seen her fighting in New York in any of the books that come before this in our Reading Order.

6. Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3

Well, initially this issue was a bit earlier in the reading order but I moved Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 to a later point, due to clues found in Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 as to how war torn New York City looks on the second day of the invasion. Issue #3 of FF is separated from issue #2 in the Reading Order because an indeterminate amount of time has passed between the end of issue #2 and the start of issue #3. The big clue to placing this issue is how battle-damaged New York looks when The Thing and The Human Torch look out over the city at the end of the book - definitely gotta be the second day of the Invasion in my opinion.

7. Punisher: War Journal #24

Read all about it here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7960837&postcount=178) and TheCatFromJapan's agreement with my placing here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7963034&postcount=182).

Hope that helps you out a little!

The Confessor

12-03-2008, 04:40 PM

Like Graphics Man, I too would love to know where the Guardians of the Galaxy & the Black Panther stuff belong on the list.

Good news TheCatFromJapan (and others)...I've got placings for the three Black Panther SI tie-ins.

I think that the invasion of Wakanda is taking place slightly later than the Invasion of New York. The majority of BP #39 - #41 is set during nighttime and it certainly looks like dusk as the Skrull ships crash on the Wakandan plains at the start of issue #39. Wakanda (being in Africa) is geographically on a somewhat similar longitude to the UK, which means that the day/night line would hit Wakanda only shortly before the UK.

Since Captain Britain & MI:13 issues #2 - #4 are also taking place at night, I surmise that the Black Panther issues must be happening roughly simultaneously. With this in mind, I'm placing Black Panther #39 and #40 (because there's no gap between the two) after Thunderbolts #124 but before Captain Britain and MI:13 #2.

Black Panther #41 will come a bit later in our reading order because an indeterminate amount of time has passed between the end of issue #40 and the beginning of #41 (although it's clearly the same night). I think that this issue would sit nicely immediately after Captain Britain and MI:13 #4.

I've also relocated Avengers: The Initiative #15 to a position between Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 and #2, after longshot3 spotted an error with this comics' initial placing.

So, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order. Not in published order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
Thunderbolts #126

Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 07:03 PM

Confessor:

Wow.

Thanks a ton for the info, man.

That definitely helps out a lot.

I am adjusting my list to reflect the new changes now.

Oh, but I do have one question about Inhumans #4, though:

Is there a significant time gap in-between Inhumans #3 and Inhumans #4???

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Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 07:14 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: THE INTRODUCTION:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44

ARC 2: THE FORESHADOWING:
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 3: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 4: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

MISTRUST:
New Avengers #38

ARC 5: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 6: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 7: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

THE QUEEN PART 4
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 (ALIEN SHIPS ARE APPROACHING EARTH).

ARC 8: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 9: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1 (THOR 1)
Secret Invasion: Thor #2 (THOR 2)
Secret Invasion: Thor #3 (THOR 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL & TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Ms. Marvel #28 (MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 10: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

THE WEST COAST ATTACK
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES 1) (ON THE WEST COAST: EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

ARC 11: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3

ARC:12 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 13: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5

ARC 14: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE OF NEW YORK:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED CITY)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)

EPILOGUE:

ARC 15: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6

(UPCOMING ISSUES COULD BE PLACED HERE)

CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT: (COMEDY SERIES) (Intended to be read last)

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last)

Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
(TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)

Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)
(SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME. BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
SI X-men #4
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
SECRET INVASION #8
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Avengers Initiative #19
Invincible Iron Man #8
Mighty Avengers #20

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The Confessor

12-03-2008, 07:25 PM

Is there a significant time gap in-between Inhumans #3 and Inhumans #4???

Well, I wouldn't say it was a significant amount but yes, there does appear to be some time passing between the two issues.

Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 07:29 PM

I didn't have to move my Punisher Issues. Which was a good thing for me. My Punisher arc happens somewhat after Mighty Avengers #19 and still preserves the chronology (in Story Arc format that is).

As for Initiative Annual #1. If there is no definitive thing in the story to place it, I think I am going to keep it at the beginning of my list. I just feel like this happens right away. Especially in a story arc format.

I also moved Guardians of the Galaxy to the bottom as an epilogue. It occurred to me that the character at the end was questioning whether or not Earth had still existed would be actually place these three issues towards the end of the Secret Invasion Saga.

I also was so frustrated with the Deadpool issue's continuity that I actually created another category for his series all together. Why did I do this? Well, one I didn't want his series muddling up my timeline. On the other hand, I really enjoyed reading them and I didn't want to cut them out or drop them completely, so I placed them into a category (that I would read last) called the...
Continuity Goof Event.
Cause after all: The story is pretty goofy, too. So it kind of fits. At least for me.

I also cut the Power Pack Series, as well.
I was quickly reading through them again, and they just felt a bit too silly and unimportant to add to the Saga. So I deleted those little guys.

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Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 07:35 PM

Well, I wouldn't say it was a significant amount but yes, there does appear to be some time passing between the two issues.

Thank you.

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Gyroscope352

12-03-2008, 09:36 PM

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CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT:

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

lol. Deadpool IS a continuity disaster...always has been. The book really teeters on the edge of being a "real" book, you know? It's just not taken seriously (and as much as I love Deadpool, I'm not sure it should).

Graphic Man

12-03-2008, 09:53 PM

lol. Deadpool IS a continuity disaster...always has been. The book really teeters on the edge of being a "real" book, you know? It's just not taken seriously (and as much as I love Deadpool, I'm not sure it should).

Yeah I know what you mean Gyro. I agree with you... Deadpool is a continuity mess.

However, Deadpool appearances have always been about the comedy and he is a character that has always been a bit of a goof, too.

In fact, I love that about him.

Deadpool rules.

However, I think (with the glaring continuity errors) I don't think I will get too many objections from anyone if I regard the Deadpool #1-3 as a slap stick comedy event that is separate from the actual Secret Invasion Saga (of which the books should be taken out of the main list and added as some kind of Goof Event that should be read last or at the end or something).

In fact here are some major continuity errors that have been brought to my attention:

1. At the end of Deadpool #3 we have Osborn stealing the Skrull data from Deadpool in a business suit. However, if someone were to look at Secret Invasion #1 and any of the following Secret Invasion or Thunderbolts issues... you would see that there is no time anywhere for Osborn to put on a business suit quick and steal the important Skrull data from Deadpool . The reason for this is because Osborn immediately puts on a battle suit after he encounters Captain Marvel. If you were to place Osborn stealing the data before or around the event of when Osborn meets Captain Marvel that wouldn't make sense either. Clearly The Invasion has already happened for a little while... Cause there is a newspaper showing the Skrulls have landed in Issue #2 and Deadpool encounters a Skrull ship landing at a baseball game at the start of the series (Deadpool #1).

2. Furthermore: In Deadpool #2, there is a panel that says that 24 hours has past and also another panel later on that states that another entire day has past by. Clearly this cannot be possible seeing that the whole Secret Invasion Attack only takes roughly a day and a half. This Deadpool event transpires when the ships are landing. So too much time would have past before Osborn could have stolen the data (at the end of Deadpool #3). Clearly the Skrull Invasion would be way over by the time Osborn had stolen his data from Deadpool.

So in other words: I think I would read these Deadpool books last (as supplemental material or some kind of aftermath or something).

Side Note:

You will note that Deadpool didn't make my deleted list of books (to not read), though.

He's too good for that kind of thing.

:smile:

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