Secret Invasion (2008 Crossover) Reading Order [Archive] - Page 2

Graphic Man

12-05-2008, 06:16 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: THE INTRODUCTION:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44

ARC 2: THE FORESHADOWING:
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 3: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 4: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

THE CHILD PART 1:
New Avengers #38

ARC 5: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 6: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 7: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 8: THE QUEEN (CONCLUSION)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 (ALIEN SHIPS ARE APPROACHING EARTH).

ARC 9: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 10: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1(THOR 1)
Secret Invasion: Thor #2(THOR 2)
Secret Invasion: Thor #3 (THOR 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL & TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Ms. Marvel #28(MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 11: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

THE WEST COAST ATTACK
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES 1) (ON THE WEST COAST: EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

ARC 12: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3

ARC:13 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 14: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4

ARC 15: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE OF NEW YORK:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED CITY)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)
SECRET INVASION #8 (AVENGERS FIGHT 2)

Secret Invasion: Front Line #5 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 5)

(UPCOMING ISSUES COULD BE PLACED HERE)

EPILOGUE:

ARC 15: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6

CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT: (COMEDY SERIES) (Intended to be read last.)

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last.)

Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
(TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)

Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)
(SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME. BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

New Avengers #47 (THE CHILD PART 2)
SI X-men #4
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Avengers Initiative #19
Invincible Iron Man #8
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-05-2008, 08:38 PM

Story Format Reading Order Update.

I finally got a chance to look at some of the newest issues.
And here is my reasons for their placement.

There doesn't appear to be a (significant) time gap between Inhumans #3 and #4. At least with our the main story-line anyways. So they are being placed next to each other.

Iron Man Director #35 happens right after #34 and it appears to happen within a contained time frame that doesn't jump to the end of the Secret Invasion Saga. So I am putting #35 right after #34.

Secret Invasion #8 continues right after #7 with no (significant) time gaps as I expected. So placing #8 right after #7 was an easy choice.

Front Line #5 I moved to the end of the series (but before the Guardians of the Galaxy epilogue). This issue obviously deals with the fight being over and everything. Where as with Frontline #4.... it introduces scenes of the Avengers fighting. Which could be a foreshadowing issue to the Avengers assembling in the Major Arc or issues (that immediately proceeds it).

Side Note:

All changes in issue placement are of course marked in red of my previous post.

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TheCatFromJapan

12-05-2008, 10:23 PM

Alright ... I've been hiding out from my girlfriend, from my job and i've just held up here at my place, stealing every free hour to read. :cool:

I felt to read all of the things I could; Things leading up to the lists you all have posted.

I read a lot of Avengers titles (New, Mighty, Initiative) and World War Hulk.

Now, I'm just up to reading the first actual Secret Invasion book. :biggrin:

And yes Confessor, you and Gyro's sorting has been a great help. It's cool to have guides here.

So, now I'm plowing down the list and I was all psyched to read the Marvel exclusive digital comic when I realized that I had to pay for it.

That is just too lame. I mean ... I've already couphed up SO much doe for all of these books and they want my credit card now?

Anyway ... I'm chewing on that one ... anybody here read it and think it's a must read?

Also, I don't have the cap brit titles. Am I missing out much?

And not be repetative but any advice on Gardians of the Galaxy?
(that's it for questions)

There is, however, one more thing I'd like to add before i split:

I have to say that Graphic's Man's posts are as close to spam as I can take. And as I sort through all of this trying to follow the book placement without actually reading any spoilers; I'm startin to think it might be better to just skip his postings for the most part.

I mean dude ... I am glad to see your enthusiasum and I have asked my fair share of redundant and silly questions but ... You like ... you post entire pages of comics ...

And then ... it's like, you're critisizing people for what? There is obviously a great deal of attention to the details by confessor and gyroscope.

If you want an example of how to respond to the flow here; check out the last input made by Princesa or Longshot. Short, sweet and generally potent/ possibly useful or interesting. And dare I say ... polite.

:eek:

Graphic Man

12-06-2008, 10:59 AM

And not be repetative but any advice on Gardians of the Galaxy?
(that's it for questions)

Cat:

Good day to you.

Well, I could be wrong, but I placed the Guardians of the Galaxy issues as an epilogue (at the very end) to the Secret Invasion Saga. There was a conversation within the Galaxy issues that implies that it takes place after the Skrull attack. However, this is an infiltration type story. So it kind of feels out of place when you have them placed within a bunch of Skrull battle issues. So that is why I placed them at the very end (as an epilogue).

Hope that helps.

I have to say that Graphic's Man's posts are as close to spam as I can take. And as I sort through all of this trying to follow the book placement without actually reading any spoilers; I'm startin to think it might be better to just skip his postings for the most part. I mean dude ... I am glad to see your enthusiasum and I have asked my fair share of redundant and silly questions but ... You like ... you post entire pages of comics ...

Okay. My friend. You are sounding very hostile towards me right now. That is not cool bro. Plus, this isn't the first time I posted on a forum before. I have been posting on forums for years now with no problems. Also, I know what spam is. My posts were nothing close to spam at all. Here is the definition of forum spam.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_spam

Besides, I didn't know that posting spoilers or placing pages from the very comic book that is being talked about in this thread would be considered close to spam???

Now, if I was promoting my own comic book, movie, book, or any other product by name, link, video or photo(s), ECT (without direct permission from the site)....then that would be considered spam. So I don't see the connection that my postings are as close to forum spam at all. I can post whatever photos or videos I like.... as long as it is on topic with the thread.

And then ... it's like, you're critisizing people for what? There is obviously a great deal of attention to the details by confessor and gyroscope.

This issue was already resolved my friend.
But to help explain it to you: It was not my intention to be mean to them in the first place. And I did apologize to them (if I came off the way I did). I rarely come right out and point the finger at someone like that. Besides: just like the song.... "I'm only human...I'm bound to make mistakes."

However, if you give me a chance, you will find that I am a very friendly person if you talk to me nicely.

If you want an example of how to respond to the flow here; check out the last input made by Princesa or Longshot. Short, sweet and generally potent/ possibly useful or interesting. And dare I say ... polite.

Come on my friend. I just dropped the ball once. If you look at my other posts you will see that they are quite friendly and polite.

So please give me another chance. You will see that I am a really easy going type of a person.

And sometimes funny, too.

Anyways....

Take care there man.

From.

The Graphic Man.

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Graphic Man

12-06-2008, 12:19 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: THE INTRODUCTION:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44

ARC 2: THE FORESHADOWING:
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 3: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 4: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

THE CHILD PART 1:
New Avengers #38

ARC 5: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 6: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 7: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 8: THE QUEEN (CONCLUSION)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 (ALIEN SHIPS ARE APPROACHING EARTH).

ARC 9: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 10: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1(THOR 1)
Secret Invasion: Thor #2(THOR 2)
Secret Invasion: Thor #3 (THOR 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL & TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Ms. Marvel #28(MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 11: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

THE WEST COAST ATTACK
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES 1) (ON THE WEST COAST: EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

ARC 12: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4

ARC:13 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 14: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 (TEASER (FLASH-FORWARD) OF AVENGERS ASSEMBLING)

ARC 15: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE OF NEW YORK:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED CITY)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)
SECRET INVASION #8 (AVENGERS FIGHT 2)

EPILOGUES:

New Avengers #47 (THE CHILD PART 2)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 5)

ARC 16: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6

CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT: (COMEDY SERIES) (Intended to be read last.)

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last.)

Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
(TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)

Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)
(SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME. BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Avengers Initiative #19
Invincible Iron Man #8
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-06-2008, 12:23 PM

Story Format Reading Order Update

I finally got a chance to look at X-men #4. I think it could go right after X-men #3. There doesn't seem to be a huge gap in time between these two issues. So I am placing it together (for now) as one complete (X-men) arc.

I also placed New Avengers #47 after Secret Invasion #8. I looked at Secret Invasion #7 and this is the issue where Jarvis has the baby last. In New Avengers #47: the baby is in fact, officially missing to the parents. So that is why I placed NA #47 after Secret Invasion #8.

Side Note:

Again, issues marked in red (in previous post) is the newly placed issues (within the Story Format List).

Side Note 2:

As for Frontline #4. I was thinking about moving it, but after much debate (with myself), I think I am going to keep it where it is at. Frontline #4 works best as a Flash-Forward (or Teaser of the Avengers Assembling) rather than it interrupting the flow of the story arc where the Avengers Assemble and then battle.

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The Confessor

12-06-2008, 02:53 PM

So, now I'm plowing down the list and I was all psyched to read the Marvel exclusive digital comic when I realized that I had to pay for it.

That is just too lame. I mean ... I've already couphed up SO much doe for all of these books and they want my credit card now?

Anyway ... I'm chewing on that one ... anybody here read it and think it's a must read?

I know what you mean, I think it's a bloody cheek for Marvel to ask folks to pay for the Secret Invasion: Prologue as well. I mean, an awful lot of people are going broke trying to keep up with all the tie-ins for this event, you'd have thought that the least Marvel could do is throw us fans a freebie for a change. I think I'm right in saying that the Secret Invasion: Home Invasion digital comics are free but it'd be nice to have a freebie that is actually worth reading! [snark!] :tongue:

Anyway, as for the prologue itself, it's certainly not essential TheCatFromJapan. It does show us how Dum Dum Dugan got replaced but it's not so great that your Secret Invasion collection is incomplete without it.

The other thing that you should be aware of is that it's very short indeed...only 8 pages long. Yes, that's right, including the front cover, the Secret Invasion: Prologue is only 9 pages...which actually translates to just 7 pages of story (Gee, thanks Marvel).

Also, I don't have the cap brit titles. Am I missing out much?

Well, I bought the first issue of captain Britain & MI:13 (I am British myself and you've gotta support your local heroes, right? :wink: ) but I wasn't overly impressed with it. It wasn't terrible or anything but it just didn't seem quite as kick-ass as some of the other tie-ins. Having said that, during the course of researching the Captain Britain tie-ins for our Reading Order, I’ve read online previews for all the issues and I have to say that maybe I was a bit hasty. Perhaps I should've hung on for a bit longer because it certainly seems that the series got better with issues #2 - #4.

And not be repetative but any advice on Gardians of the Galaxy?

Yeah, sorry about that, I've not gotten around to reading the Guardians Of the Galaxy issues yet...I've been mega busy lately I’m afraid. I'll try to read them over the next day or two and post an update to my Reading Order with them included. Bear with me TheCatFromJapan, I'm on the case.

The Confessor

12-06-2008, 03:15 PM

OK, here's another update to the strictly chronological Reading Order, to incorporate the books that came out this week - Secret Invasion #8, New Avengers #47 and Secret Invasion: Front Line #5.

Additionally, I'm also deleting New Avengers: Illuminati #2 - #4 from the Reading Order because it's now obvious that they don’t contain anything that's relevant to Secret Invasion.

Another change that I've made to the reading order is to move all five issues of Secret Invasion: Front Line to after Secret Invasion #8. This is something I've been thinking about doing for a while now because Front Line jumps around all over the timeline and so it's really hard to place each issue satisfactorily. In addition to this, Front Line is narrated in the past tense, so it really feels like these issues should be at the end of the story, with Ben Ulrich looking back at the whole event and telling the story from the average person in New York's perspective.

So, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

CHRONOLOGICAL SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order. Not in published order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Thunderbolts #126

Graphic Man

12-06-2008, 04:10 PM

Confessor:

Interesting placement for Frontline. I really like it. I am gonna have to bring on another debate with myself about that one.

:wink:

As for New Avengers #47: You have it listed as #43. Not a big deal really. Most folks will probably guess that it the issue you meant.

Also, I just looked at Thunderbolts 126.

I am having a tough time on whether or not to include that one or not.

I will have to see how it flows with the new release issues before I make such a decision to include it in the Story Format List.

But I can definitely see your reasons for including it, though.

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The Confessor

12-06-2008, 04:52 PM

As for New Avengers #47: You have it listed as #43. Not a big deal really. Most folks will probably guess that it the issue you meant.

Errr...yes, yes...I meant to...*a-hem*...do that. To...ummm...see if you were paying attention. Yes, that's it, to see if you were paying attention!

Oops!:redface:

Thanks for noticing that Graphic Man, I've corrected it now.

longshot3

12-06-2008, 04:55 PM

I had no problem reading Frontline 1-5 as an epilogue, after SI #8. It really works well there, great idea.

I really enjoyed the 4 Captain Britain tie-ins, so much so that I will continue to check out #5 onwards.

As for the Guardians of the Galaxy tie-ins, I really couldn't guess where to put those. I guess it could be read anywhere really. It just didn't deal with any of the actual invasion of Earth. It too was another good series that i may have to check out by the way, so that's why I will keep it in my collection. For no real reason whatsoever, I read the 3 issues (#4-6) between SI: X-Men #2 and Incredible Hercules #118.

The Confessor

12-07-2008, 03:20 PM

I had no problem reading Frontline 1-5 as an epilogue, after SI #8. It really works well there, great idea.

Yeah, the placings of SI: Front Line had been bugging me for a while, I feel much happier with them all located after Secret Invasion #8 like that...I think it just works much better that way. Glad to here that you agree.

As for the Guardians of the Galaxy tie-ins, I really couldn't guess where to put those. I guess it could be read anywhere really. It just didn't deal with any of the actual invasion of Earth.

I have heard that they have next to no relation to the actual invasion of earth which could make placing them a bit problematic. I'll let you know what I think after I've read them though.

For no real reason whatsoever, I read the 3 issues (#4-6) between SI: X-Men #2 and Incredible Hercules #118.

OK, if you felt that they worked fine there, I'll certainly bear that in mind when I'm trying to place them.

The Confessor

12-08-2008, 06:58 AM

OK, here's another update to the strictly chronological Reading Order, to incorporate the three Guardians Of The Galaxy tie-ins.

As longshot3 rightly pointed out, these three issues have almost no relevance to the Skrull invasion of Earth at all but I did find one small clue as to where they should be placed. In Guardians Of The Galaxy #6 it is revealed that the Skrulls aboard "Nowhere" are actually pacifist Skrulls looking to escape the main Skrull invasion. While explaining this, Cosmo says of the Skrulls "Their species is preparing for new war, brutal and vicious! But they want no part of that". Then, one of the Skrulls explains further by saying "We deplore the aggressive tendencies of our kind. The Jihadist hardcore want us dead for our opposition to their schemes of conquest".

A few panels later we get the real clincher when one of the pacifist Skrulls adds "They believe that we should stand with them or perish. They are going to war against the old enemy...the Human race." It's clear to me that since these comments are in the future tense that the Skrull invasion is either just about to happen or is currently happening. So I suggest placing Guardians Of The Galaxy #4 - #6 just before the start of the actual invasion.

Guardians Of The Galaxy #4 and #5 should definitely go together since there's no time gap between the end of issue #4 and the start of issue #5...I'm thinking they'd fit nicely after Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3. Guardians Of The Galaxy #6 takes place a little later, after everyone has woken up from Drax's disrupter charges, so I suggest placing that after the Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? one-shot. That way all three Guardians Of The Galaxy issues are on the eve of the Skrull invasion of Earth, which fits in well with the Skrull dialogue we see in issue #6.

Note: I've also inverted the ordering of Thunderbolts #122 and Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4. I think I may've accidentally got these two the wrong way round from the start...not sure how exactly but anyway, Thunderbolts #122 should definitely go after Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4

So, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

CHRONOLOGICAL SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order. Not in published order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Guardians Of The Galaxy #4
Guardians Of The Galaxy #5
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Guardians Of The Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Thunderbolts #126

Graphic Man

12-08-2008, 07:43 AM

Errr...yes, yes...I meant to...*a-hem*...do that. To...ummm...see if you were paying attention. Yes, that's it, to see if you were paying attention!Oops!:redface: Thanks for noticing that Graphic Man, I've corrected it now.

Confessor:

I'm glad I could help out.

:smile:

A few panels later we get the real clincher when one of the pacifist Skrulls adds "They believe that we should stand with them or perish. They are going to war against the old enemy...the Human race." It's clear to me that since these comments are in the future tense that the Skrull invasion is either just about to happen or is currently happening. So I suggest placing Guardians Of The Galaxy #4 - #6 just before the start of the actual invasion.

Wow. I didn't catch that. Very cool of you to notice.

Very cool.

That way all three Guardians Of The Galaxy issues are on the eve of the Skrull invasion of Earth, which fits in well with the Skrull dialogue we see in issue #6.

I think your new placement also fits well with this scene below a lot better, too.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/GOTG-020-1-1.jpg

In fact, its funny. I initially had the Guardians of the Galaxy issues placed a little before Secret Invasion #1, as well. Cause it felt more like an infiltration story when reading it.

However, I missed the Skrull details you mentioned above and only looked at that one scene to go on (above) for my placement. Eventually, I second guessed myself and I later moved the Galaxy issues as an after thought or epilogue (even though they worked much better as a prologue to the main attack).

Now I see I should have stuck with my initial placement.

Thank you again good sir.

I am now changing my Story Format List to reflect your excellent list (yet again).

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Graphic Man

12-08-2008, 07:54 AM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: PROLOGUE:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 2: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 3: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

THE CHILD PART 1:
New Avengers #38

ARC 4: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 5: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 6: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 7: THE QUEEN (CONCLUSION)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 (ALIEN SHIPS ARE APPROACHING EARTH).

ARC 8: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

ARC 9: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 10: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1(THOR 1)
Secret Invasion: Thor #2(THOR 2)
Secret Invasion: Thor #3 (THOR 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL & TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Ms. Marvel #28(MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 11: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

THE WEST COAST ATTACK
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES 1) (ON THE WEST COAST: EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

ARC 12: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4

ARC:13 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 14: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 (TEASER (FLASH-FORWARD) OF AVENGERS ASSEMBLING)

ARC 15: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE OF NEW YORK:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED CITY)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)
SECRET INVASION #8 (AVENGERS FIGHT 2)

ARC 16: EPILOGUE:

New Avengers #47(THE CHILD PART 2)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 5)

CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT: (COMEDY SERIES) (Intended to be read last.)

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last.)

Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
(TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)

Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)
(SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME. BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

Avengers Initiative #19
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-08-2008, 07:55 AM

Story Format Reading List Update:

I moved the Guardians of the Galaxy issues back to their original placement (before Secret Invasion #1). For the explanation on this change: please check out Confessor's post above on the reasons for their placement...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8020888&postcount=267

So please give your thanks to Confessor.

Side Note:

Also, now that I think about it, this new Guardians placement is even more awesome.

It fits (not just chronologically).... but it fits story wise too. At least within the Story Format List, anyways. In the Story Format List: we get to read the Guardians of the Galaxy issues first (which is a space epic) and then we follow up with Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust #1, where we see a short but important Captain Marvel scene of him on what might appear to be a Skrull ship (which could be labeled as a possible short in space sequence).

Plus, placing the Guardians issues before Secret Invasion #1 instead of as an epilogue: makes my epilogue issues a lot loss heavier to read. Although, there is no official rules in storytelling. It is usually a good rule of thumb to have any Epilogues (in a story) to be short and sweet.

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seeso

12-08-2008, 08:16 AM

Have you guys seen Brevoort's timeline yet?

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom%20Brevoort/entry/1348

jackolover

12-08-2008, 03:44 PM

Have you guys seen Brevoort's timeline yet?

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom%20Brevoort/entry/1348

I have now. Thanks seeso.

I am impressed that Electra was the Skrull in Wolverine:Enemy of the State. And I totally forgot that the Skrull Cap was formed and put in the pod in NA #43 and then escaped with the other imposters. And I didn't realize Jessica Drew was replaced by Veranke in NA #42.

Fabulous timeline Tom Brevoort.

The Confessor

12-08-2008, 05:24 PM

Have you guys seen Brevoort's timeline yet?

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom%20Brevoort/entry/1348

OK, that's interesting...I, for one, wasn't expecting any kind of official Timeline from Marvel themselves, since we didn't get one for Civil War or World War Hulk. I'll have to have a proper look through Brevoort's ordering when I've got more time and see how closely (or not) it matches ours.

Since this is presumably an "official" reading order or timeline (what with Tom Brevoort being Executive Editor for Marvel and all), does that mean all of our work on the Reading Order over the past year has been a complete waste of time? :frown:

jackolover

12-08-2008, 05:48 PM

OK, that's interesting...I, for one, wasn't expecting any kind of official Timeline from Marvel themselves, since we didn't get one for Civil War or World War Hulk. I'll have to have a proper look through Brevoort's ordering when I've got more time and see how closely (or not) it matches ours.

Since this is presumably an "official" reading order or timeline (what with Tom Brevoort being Executive Editor for Marvel and all), does that mean all of our work on the Reading Order over the past year has been a complete waste of time? :frown:

It would still be interesting how yours has lined up against Toms, and see what continuity each has dredged up.

For myself, I was content to read the flashbacks in order of publishing strewn within the SI story, because it gave the story a spooky feel to it, like a Mickey Spillane story. Those old crime movie directors used to switch from the present to a past time, just because it uses drama to withhold evidence, and then slip in the evidence at a later time as a surprise. And strangely, it built drama at the same time, when you are taken back to Skrulls coldly planning the overthrow of mankind in between ordinary encounters. Very spooky when read like this.

Graphic Man

12-08-2008, 11:28 PM

Seeso:

Yeah, a new list is always welcome. Thank you for the link. It gives folks a more broader choice in how they want to read Secret Invasion.

Cause (just to be clear): there is no right way or wrong way to read Secret Invasion.
It is all a matter of a person's personal preference or taste.

Okay. That said.
To my knowledge so far, we have a...

1. Published Date Reading Order.

2. Strictly Chronological Reading Order.

3. Story Format Reading Order.

And an....

4. Anything (Even Remotely Related) Reading Order.

Side Note:

Oh, and just so that no one misunderstands me: I am not trying to be cute or make fun of the new Reading Order in any way by the name that I have given it. I am merely calling it, how I see it. If someone can think of a more appropriate name for this new Reading Order (that sounds better) please let me know.

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scouse mouse

12-09-2008, 10:12 AM

How could Elektra be a Skrull in EOTS though? She actually died in that story and was resurrected by the Hand? Surely they would notice her turning green on them? Plus there was an issue of Wolverine that Elektra narrated herself, so unless the Skrull was deluded it had to have been the real deal! Plus Bendis has said himself in one of the Bendis tapes that he replaced her after EOTS.

Graphic Man

12-09-2008, 10:36 AM

Invasion Reading Order Breakdown:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/MsMarvel025Dizzy-Meganpg001-1.jpg

Hello everyone. I hope everyone here is doing well.

Well, just to let you guys know:
I have came up with a breakdown of all the different reading orders in an attempt to help some new folks out there to make an informed decision on which reading order would best suit them.

So please do not feel offended in any way if it seems like I put down your preferred reading order. It is not my intention to hurt or offend anyone out there. I am merely trying to help some new readers out there on which reading order is better for them. So if you are hurt or disagree with one of my Con's please realize that it is just my opinion (which is only one viewpoint). And nothing more.

Okay, that being said: lets get down to business....

1. Publish Date Reading Order:

Major Pro:

Series is read as Marvel Comics initially wanted comic collectors to read them.

Major Con:

Although, this is not a problem for a lot of readers: Not all events are placed in a chronological order and thus the reader is forced to juggle the various events in their own heads to keep track of everything.

2. Strict Chronological Reading Order:

Major Pro:

All events are placed in strict chronological reading order. This helps the reader place events in a more orderly fashion so he can follow the story along in a nice linear way.

Major Con:

Although this problem cannot be resolved in any reading order completely:
However, it appears that (like the majority of the reading orders) various titles (not all) (that have no significant time gaps in between them) are sometimes placed after a couple issues later. So in other words, sometimes the reader must freeze time in his mind and remember where he left off last and then a couple of issues later unfreeze that event and continue reading that story line at a later time.
However, again (just to be clear): this is not a problem for a lot of readers.

3. Story Format Reading Order:

Major Pro:

Story lines seem to be a lot less interrupted, broken, or scattered apart within a chronological reading order. Thus giving a person a nice continuous flow when reading.

Major Con:

Although this is not a concern for me:
my guess is that some folks do not get the satisfaction of having enough true cliffhanger (frozen in time) moments with this type of reading.

4. Anything (Even Remotely Related) Reading Order:

Major Pro:

No stone is left unturned. No story is left untouched. No minor detail is left aside. You get the full scope of the entire saga in all it's glory (no matter how minor).

Major Con:

Again, this is not a problem for some readers: but (just like the end of the Return of the King film) a couple of folks feel they don't need any additional backstory or any other minor related issues to get the point of the main story across. In fact, this reading can appear to be a bit too exhaustive or heavy to some. Especially, if they are just looking to capture the meat of the story (and that is it).

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scouse mouse

12-09-2008, 01:16 PM

The Confessor

12-09-2008, 01:46 PM

I double checked Bendis' podcast, he does say that Elektra was replaced after EOTS, so Brevoorts timeline is a little bit wrong.

Well, that's reasuring to hear. Seems that this might not be the final word on the Reading Order after all.

Actually, I have to say that after looking at Brevoort's list in a bit more detail, it does seem to be more of a "Timeline" rather than an actual "Reading Order" for Secret Invasion and its tie-ins.

Graphic Man

12-09-2008, 07:06 PM

I double checked Bendis' podcast, he does say that Elektra was replaced after EOTS, so Brevoorts timeline is a little bit wrong. He says so about halfway through:
http://cdn4.libsyn.com/wordballoon/WBbendis0803.mp3?nvb=20081209203753&nva=20081210204753&t=0a57e5bbf19965e2a147f.
Mouse:

Hey thanks for the podcast. I got about a quarter of a way through it (seeing it is a really long).

So far it has been pretty fun to listen to.

You can say that your reading order is better Graphic Man.

Well, I can't take all the credit. A lot of my story arcs are placed according to the Strict Chronological Reading Order (of which my list would have not been possible).

However, I am pretty darn happy with my Story Format Reading List, though. I hope a lot of folks out there find it useful (like I have).

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Graphic Man

12-09-2008, 09:42 PM

Only 4 issues left to go within the Secret Invasion Saga....

December 10, 2008
Avengers: The Initiative #19
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1

December 17, 2008
Mighty Avengers #20

December 24, 2008
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-09-2008, 10:09 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: PROLOGUE:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

ARC 2: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 3: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

THE CHILD PART 1:
New Avengers #38

ARC 4: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 5: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 6: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 7: THE QUEEN (CONCLUSION)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 (ALIEN SHIPS ARE APPROACHING EARTH).

ARC 8: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

ARC 9: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 10: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122 (CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1(THOR 1)
Secret Invasion: Thor #2(THOR 2)
Secret Invasion: Thor #3 (THOR 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL & TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP & T-BOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Ms. Marvel #28(MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 11: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

THE WEST COAST ATTACK
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES 1) (ON THE WEST COAST: EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

ARC 12: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4

ARC:13 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 14: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 (TEASER (FLASH-FORWARD) OF AVENGERS ASSEMBLING)

ARC 15: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE OF NEW YORK:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED CITY)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)
SECRET INVASION #8 (AVENGERS FIGHT 2)

ARC 16: EPILOGUE:

New Avengers #47(THE CHILD PART 2)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 5)

CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT: (COMEDY SERIES) (Intended to be read last.)

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last.)

Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
(TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)

Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)
(SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME. BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

Avengers Initiative #19
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-09-2008, 10:23 PM

Story Format Readers List Update:

I moved Thunderbolts 122 right after the Iron Man Director of Shield issues because...

(a) The Thunderbolts story line seems to feel like they are more of a priority than the Avengers Initiative issues.

(b) Also, It is an attempt to match up closer with the strict chronological reading order list, too.

I also moved Fantastic Four issues #1-2 after Avengers Initiative #15 because....

(a) Again, the Fantastic Four story line is not only an attempt to fit better on the chronological list, but as a more important or primary story line, as well.

(b) Also, there is a time gap between Initiative #15-16, too. So these two FF issues seem to fit very nicely after Initiative 15.

All changes are marked in red in my previous post.

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Graphic Man

12-10-2008, 12:01 PM

Today is the release of...

INITIATIVE #19

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Initiative.jpg

DARK REIGN #1

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/darkreign.jpg

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Graphic Man

12-10-2008, 01:08 PM

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)

PREQUEL EVENTS:

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

ARC 1: PROLOGUE:
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4

ARC 2: ELEKTRA & SPIDER-WOMAN:
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15 (HANK PYM PART 1)
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (DUM DUM PART 1)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17 (DUM DUM & HANK PYM PART 2)
New Avengers #32 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 1)
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 2)
New Avengers #40 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 3) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 4) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (SPIDERWOMAN PART 5) (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) (AVENGERS HAVE ELEKTRA AND BLACK BOLTS BODIES)

ARC 3: THE QUEEN
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1 (THE QUEEN PART 1) (BLACK BOLTS BODY IS RETURNED HOME)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2 (THE QUEEN PART 2)

HANK PYM PART 3
Avengers Initiative Annual #1

THE HOOD PART 1:
New Avengers Annual #2

THE CHILD PART 1:
New Avengers #38

ARC 4: CAPTAIN MARVEL RETURNS: (THE SWORN ENEMY OF THE SKRULLS)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5

ARC 5: NICK FURY
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13

CLOSE CALL:
New Avengers #39 (ECHO ALMOST GETS REPLACED)

THE HOOD PART 2:
New Avengers #46

HANK PYM PART 4
Avengers: The Initiative #14

ARC 6: HE LOVES YOU.
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34

ARC 7: THE QUEEN (CONCLUSION)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4 (ALIEN SHIPS ARE APPROACHING EARTH).

ARC 8: MS MARVEL
Ms. Marvel #25 (MS MARVEL PART 1)
Ms. Marvel #26 (MS MARVEL PART 2)
Ms. Marvel #27 (MS MARVEL PART 3) (ALIEN SHIPS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE)

ARC 9: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6

CAPTAIN MARVEL & THE THUNDERBOLTS PART 1
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
(CAP MARVEL IS APPROACHING THUNDERBOLT'S MOUNTAIN)

ARC 10: THE ATTACK (SKRULL INVASION)
SECRET INVASION #1 (ATTACK, SAVAGLAND 1, CAP MARVEL N TBOLTS 2 & FF1)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122 (CAP MARVEL N TBOLTS 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #15 (INITIATIVE 1)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 (FF 2 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 (FF 3 BAX BUILDING-NEGATIVE ZONE)
Avengers: The Initiative #16 (INITIATIVE 2)
Avengers: The Initiative #17 (INITIATIVE 3)
Avengers: The Initiative #18 (INITIATIVE 4)
SECRET INVASION #2 (SAVAGE LAND 2 & YOUNG AVENGERS 1)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1 (YOUNG AVENGERS 2)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2 (YOUNG AVENGERS 3)
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3 (YOUNG AVENGERS 4)
Nova #16 (NOVA 1)
Nova #17 (NOVA 2)
Mighty Avengers #18 (NICK FURY 1)
Nova #18 (NOVA 3)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1(THOR 1)
Secret Invasion: Thor #2(THOR 2)
Secret Invasion: Thor #3 (THOR 3)
She-Hulk #32 (SHE HULK 1)
She-Hulk #33 (SHE HULK 2)
New Warriors #14 (NEW WARRIORS 1)
New Warriors #15 (NEW WARRIORS 2)
New Avengers #41 (SAVAGE LAND 3)
New Avengers #43 (SAVAGE LAND 4)
Mighty Avengers #14 (SAVAGE LAND 5)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1 (JACKPOT 1)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2 (JACKPOT 2)
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3 (JACKPOT 3) (SPIDEYS HOME FOR A BIT)
SECRET INVASION #3 (SAVAGELND & SPIDERWOMAN PT 6 (CAP MARVEL N TBOLTS 4)
Thunderbolts #123 (CAP MARVEL N TBOLTS 5)
Mighty Avengers #19 (CAPTAIN MARVEL PART 6)
Thunderbolts #124 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 6)
Thunderbolts #125 (THUNDER BOLTS PART 7)
Ms. Marvel #28(MS MARVEL PART 4)
Ms. Marvel #29 (MS MARVEL PART 5)
Ms. Marvel #30 (MS MARVEL PART 6)
Punisher: War Journal #24 (PUNISHER 1)
Punisher: War Journal #25 (PUNISHER 2)

HAPPENING ELSEWHERE ON EARTH: (UK, SAN FRAN, & WAKANDA):

ARC 11: CAPTAIN BRITAIN
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4

THE WEST COAST ATTACK
Incredible Hercules #117 (HERCULES 1) (ON THE WEST COAST: EARTH FIGHTER JETS ATTACK SKRULL SHIPS)

ARC 12: X-MEN
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4

ARC:13 BLACK PANTHER
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

ARC 14: AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE.
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4 (TEASER (FLASH-FORWARD) OF AVENGERS ASSEMBLING)

ARC 15: THE GREAT SKRULL BATTLE OF NEW YORK:
SECRET INVASION #4 (AVENGERS BEGIN TO ASSEMBLE) (SAVAGE 7)
Incredible Hercules #118 (HERCULES PART 2)
Incredible Hercules #119 (HERCULES PART 3)
Incredible Hercules #120 (HERC 4: MENTION OF RICHARDS ESCAPE)
SECRET INVASION #5 (REED RICHARDS ESCAPES) (SAVAGE 8 (END))
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 (A DESTROYED CITY)
SECRET INVASION #6 (AVENGERS ASSEMBLE)
SECRET INVASION #7 (AVENGERS FIGHT)
SECRET INVASION #8 (AVENGERS FIGHT 2)

ARC 16: EPILOGUE:

New Avengers #47(THE CHILD PART 2)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5 (AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE PART 5)

CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT: (COMEDY SERIES) (Intended to be read last.)

DEADPOOL
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3

DARK REIGN: (AFTER MATH TIE-IN) (Intended to be read last.)

Thunderbolts #126
Secret Invasion Dark Reign #1

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last.)

Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
(TOO GOOFY & UNIMPORTANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY)

Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
(TOO DISTRACTING OF A STORY-LINE TO BE ATTACHED)

Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)
(SKRULL ORGANS REVEALED ON ONE PAGE ISN'T REALLY THAT EXCITING TO ME. BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO THE PREQUEL EVENTS SECTION (After the Annihilation Saga) IF YOU LIKE)

NEW RELEASES OR UPCOMING ISSUES YET TO BE PLACED:

Avengers Initiative #19
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1

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Graphic Man

12-10-2008, 01:15 PM

Story Format Readers List Update:

The fifty state initiative story line feels like it should happen at the very beginning of Secret Invasion.

But I forgot that the Skrull in Initiative Ann #1 was the Pym/Skrull.

So, I moved Avengers Initiative Annual #1 after Inhumans #1-2 because frankly... as hard as I tried to place this issue earlier within the Secret Invasion Series (within a couple of different spots) the more problems arose. Granted the events in Initiative Annual #1 seems like it happens within the first couple of issues (of Secret Invasion)... but the flow of the rest of issues would seriously be thrown out of whack if I forced this issue in anywhere.

And so placing Initiative Ann #1 after Inhumans #1-2 is now (of course) the most logical choice.

For my explanation on my placement on Marvel Spotlight Aftermath, Thunderbolts 126, and Dark Reign 1 please click...here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8046373&postcount=295).

Note: All changes or new placements of issues are marked in red in my previous post.

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Gyroscope352

12-10-2008, 08:06 PM

Sorry I haven't posted in a while, guys. Busy with finals and all that.

So here's my final order for SI. I'm incorporating all of Confessor's changes, even if I don't particularly agree with them (I think Front Line was better where it was), because I want to keep it consistent, since it's supposed to be the same except for flashback issues. So, here's the reading order with flashbacks in publication order - good for first-time readers of SI:

Reading Order

Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
SECRET INVASION #1
Mighty Avengers #12
New Avengers #40
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Mighty Avengers #13
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Mighty Avengers #15
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #43
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Mighty Avengers #17
Mighty Avengers #18
New Avengers #44
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
New Avengers #45
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
New Avengers #46
SECRET INVASION #8
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Thunderbolts #126

From here on out, I leave it to the Confessor to take us in to Dark Reign. This is my final official reading order for this thread - unless the Confessor changes something after the fact, in which case I will just edit this post. A hell of a lot of thanks to the Confessor and everyone who has helped contribute to these orders, this has been a great reading order thread, the best I've ever seen. So good job to everyone. Happy reading!

The Confessor

12-10-2008, 10:26 PM

So here's my final order for SI. I'm incorporating all of Confessor's changes, even if I don't particularly agree with them (I think Front Line was better where it was), because I want to keep it consistent, since it's supposed to be the same except for flashback issues.

Really? You prefer Front Line where it was? Hmmm...that's interesting. I have to say that it's position always bugged me and I do honestly think it works better where it is, although I realise that I've kind of broken my own "flashbacks in chronological order" rule. But ultimately I think it's whatever works best for the reading order that’s important.

Still, I'm glad to see that you've moved your placements for these issues to make your list as similar to mine as you can. I think our two lists compliment each other really well, being identical except for flashback issue placements. It makes choosing between our respective Reading Orders much easier for new readers who may come along.

From here on out, I leave it to the Confessor to take us in to Dark Reign. This is my final official reading order for this thread - unless the Confessor changes something after the fact, in which case I will just edit this post. A hell of a lot of thanks to the Confessor and everyone who has helped contribute to these orders, this has been a great reading order thread, the best I've ever seen. So good job to everyone. Happy reading!

OK, well thanks for all your help Gyroscope352, it's been a lot of fun thrashing out this Reading Order with you. I will be continuing to update my Reading Order with a few things like the Avengers: Dark Reign and Secret Invasion: Requiem one-shots because I think they're still relevant to Secret Invasion, but I certainly won't be doing the whole of Dark Reign or anything. So the time will come fairly soon when I will lay my list to rest as well.

Anyway, thanks again for all your help over the last few months.

Graphic Man

12-11-2008, 11:45 AM

Gyro & Confessor:

Yeah, it has been a lot of fun so far to me, too. We have only 4 more issues to go and we are done. I would like to thank you both again for all the hard work you guys have done.

You guys have been patient, kind, serviceable and awesome.

:smile:

Side Note:

As for Dark Reign...

Well, I think I am gonna hold off until the end of it's year before I start my readers list on that one.

And even then.....doing Dark Reign at the end of next year.... still might be a maybe.

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The Confessor

12-11-2008, 12:19 PM

Side Note:

As for Dark Reign...

Well, I think I am gonna hold off until the end of it's year before I start my readers list on that one.

And even then.....doing Dark Reign at the end of next year.... still might be a maybe.

I have to say that I can't see Dark Reign needing a Reading Order like Secret Invasion had. I mean, it's not an actual "event" or "crossover" with lots of tie-ins like Civil War or Secret Invasion were. Obviously it's totally up to you Graphic Man but I think that a Reading Order for something that's basically only going to be happening in 3 or 4 titles is probably overkill.

Dark Reign isn’t a Marvel event as such, just the new status quo for the foreseeable future.

Gyroscope352

12-11-2008, 04:50 PM

I have to say that I can't see Dark Reign needing a Reading Order like Secret Invasion had. I mean, it's not an actual "event" or "crossover" with lots of tie-ins like Civil War or Secret Invasion were. Obviously it's totally up to you Graphic Man but I think that a Reading Order for something that's basically only going to be happening in 3 or 4 titles is probably overkill.

Dark Reign isn’t a Marvel event as such, just the new status quo for the foreseeable future.

Yeah, Dark Reign is more of a label than an actual event. Dark Reign is to Secret War as The Initiative was to Civil War. Eventually it will just fade and the books will return to normal for a few months before the next big crossover. It's more of a marketing thing than anything else; it means to show you what books are going to keep reeling from Secret Invasion (i.e. Avengers will be changed because of it, Amazing Spider-Man will likely not even reference it) and to promote new books that have sprung from it (Agents of Atlas, War Machine).

Graphic Man

12-12-2008, 01:36 PM

Hmmmm....

interesting.

Dark Reign is not an event.

Okay then. Well then can anyone guess what this next major event will be about then?

Do you think everyone in the Marvel Universe will get amnesia or something crazy?

or...

Do you think Invisible Woman's power will go all super nuts on a world wide scale and turn half of the Marvel Universe characters permanently invisible along with parts of various streets, buildings, cars, forests, cities, ect?

or...

Do you think alternate dimensions will start to replace parts of the Marvel Universe and its characters with all brand new ones?

or...

Do you think the Marvel Universe will be over ruled by a mysterious wave of crazy pleasures (or internal struggles) that seem to completely take over our heroes?

or...

Do you think the entire Marvel Universe will lose all its men to some other dimension for a while (While all the women have to figure out what to do)?

or...

Do you think the Marvel Universe will be on the hunt to find one man (hero or villain) who holds the key to the very survival of the multi-verses?

or...

Do you think the Marvel Universe will fall prey to a huge financial depression that will shut down all the government operated super groups and soldiers?

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Gyroscope352

12-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Graphic Man

12-12-2008, 03:32 PM

This all sounds remarkably like a DC Crisis (as in Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Seriously Final This Time Crisis, etc.)

Gyro:

Yeah, I mentioned those what ifs as a joke (as you might have guessed).

And that is interesting that you made my what ifs in comparison to DC (not that I don't mind the occasional DC title or anything).

However, I do think this would be a good time for me to say...

"Make mine Marvel."

:wink:

Except that last one. And I can already tell you how it ends...it doesn't shut anything down because the government gives them all huge bailouts. The end. ;-)

Or... they could simply get rid of the money all together like the United Federation of Planets did (in the Star Trek Universe).

:biggrin:

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Graphic Man

12-12-2008, 04:36 PM

Story Format Readers List Update:

Hello again folks. Here is my new update involving Marvel Spotlight: (Secret Invasion) Aftermath, Dark Reign 1, and Thunderbolts 126.

MARVEL SPOTLIGHT: SECRET INVASION: AFTERMATH

I added Marvel Spotlight SI Aftermath in my supplemental reading section. This issue is basically another nice behind the scenes book from the creators (of which I look forward to reading when I am all done reading the Secret Invasion Saga).

THUNDERBOLTS #126

In Thunderbolts 126: Osborn becomes the hero in and then later in Dark Reign his success is brought up in conversation. So thus that is why I added this issue right before Dark Reign #1 (Note: Thunderbolts 126 would also clearly take place after the Deadpool issues).

DARK REIGN #1

Okay. I just looked at Dark Reign #1. It feels like it should have its own section at the end of the reading. So I placed it under the supplemental section right after the Deadpool issues.

Note: All issues marked in red below are my new changes:

SECRET INVASION (STORY FORMAT) READING ORDER:
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

PREQUEL EVENTS: (Optional Tie-Ins)

Death of Captain Marvel (Graphic Novel)
Annihilation Saga.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7986528&postcount=213

SECRET INVASION:

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL: (Intended to be read last.)

Deadpool #1 (continuity goof event)
Deadpool #2 (continuity goof event)
Deadpool #3 (continuity goof event)
Thunderbolts #126 (Dark Reign Tie-In)
Dark Reign #1 (Dark Reign Tie-In)
Skrulls #1 (one shot)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion: Aftermath

DELETED ISSUES:

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
Skrulls vs Power-pack #1
Skrulls vs Power-pack #2
Skrulls vs Power-pack #3
Skrulls vs Power-pack #4
Secret War #1-4 (2004) (Prequel Event)
Heroes for Hire #3 (2006) (Prequel Event)

UPCOMING ISSUES:
Avengers Initiative #19 (Releases this coming Wednesday)
Mighty Avengers #20 (Releases this coming Wednesday)
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1 (Release 12-24)

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Graphic Man

12-13-2008, 08:19 PM

Hello Again Everyone:

Well, after looking at the preview issues here at CBR and Marvel for Initiative 19, Mighty 20, and Requiem.

It looks like we have some really exciting final issues to read so far.

It appears that two of the books are dealing with the loss of a comrade.

Which should be interesting.

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Graphic Man

12-14-2008, 03:26 PM

It looks to me that there is going to be a nice number of books in the aftermath section when all is said and done.

I can't wait for these three last issues.

It's gonna be really exciting!!!

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Graphic Man

12-15-2008, 04:07 AM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AFTERMATH)
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE MISSION (A Flashback Event)
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Thunderbolts #126
Dark Reign #1

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NOTE 1:

The Deadpool series had a quite a few time line errors and didn't really seem to fit anywhere chronologically. So I placed them as a flashback event in the aftermath book (as a Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In).
(For information on Deadpool's continuity goofs (or time line errors) please see this post by clicking... here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7998689&postcount=249).)

NOTE 2:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion.

NOTE 3:

I also deleted both Marvel Spotlight issues on the Skrull Invasion and also Skrull #1 because they were basically behind the scenes or re-cap issues. Nothing is truly lost from the Secret Invasion saga if these non-story issues are not read.

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Graphic Man

12-16-2008, 02:21 PM

Gyroscope352

12-16-2008, 03:16 PM

I just recently dived into some of the Civil War and World War Hulk comics.

Talk about being disappointed.

I really did not dig those two events at all.

I am really glad I started out with reading Secret Invasion first.

Personally, I think Secret Invasion is Marvel's best super large event they have ever had so far.

I hope they keep up the quality (like Invasion).

Cause that would be a real downer if they didn't.

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I half agree with you. I LOVED Civil War, almost as much as Secret Invasion. I thought it was slightly less well-executed as Secret Invasion, as far as the tie-ins and stuff, but all in all I really liked the story and the art of the main title. World War Hulk, however, was indeed crap, I will agree with you there.

You want something REALLY poorly executed, though, go back and read Avengers: Disassembled. House of M was pretty cool as far as the main title; the tie-ins and their execution was horrible.

Graphic Man

12-17-2008, 01:25 AM

I half agree with you. I LOVED Civil War, almost as much as Secret Invasion. I thought it was slightly less well-executed as Secret Invasion, as far as the tie-ins and stuff, but all in all I really liked the story and the art of the main title. World War Hulk, however, was indeed crap, I will agree with you there.

Gyro:

I can see the appeal of Civil War a bit. There is something attractive about a concept about the good guys fighting each other because of a difference in opinion on the law because of a really horrific incident (Like Stamford). Oh, and I do totally agree with you on the artwork. I will definitely say that. However, the story just felt kind of forced to me. I wasn't buying into Iron Man turning on his friends the way he did. He has been through too much with them over the decades to do something like that so quickly (without a proper explanation). Tony has disobeyed orders from the US with his Avenger friends I don't know how many times to protect the world. Now, I am not saying Tony Stark couldn't have made such a decision like this eventually. I just wish they would have showed a whole lot more character set up to his motivation behind his decision (to go up against his team mates the way he did). It just kind of felt out of character for me (when their wasn't enough proper explanation). I mean, here you have a guy who (he himself) had hidden his identity for years to protect the people that he cared about. So to force that ideal mindlessly on his fellow heroes that he fought and almost died beside over the years is a lot to ask (without a really really really really good and convincing enough reason or reasons). And he is not the only one, too. All the other heroes who have fought to protect their identities for so many years are not going to so easily just fold over just because the law says so now. They have loved ones that they have to protect, too. That is why they have secret identities in the first place. Now, if these heroes were to sign a contract that would have their families sent into witness protection programs or something before they came forward with their identities to the government or public. And if we got to see better motivations (behind their decision to back the law instead of their fellow heroes) well then.... that would be a different story (all together) (all be it, a much larger and costly one, too).

You want something REALLY poorly executed, though, go back and read Avengers: Disassembled. House of M was pretty cool as far as the main title; the tie-ins and their execution was horrible.

Hmmm.... interesting. I may check out the main title House of M sometime.
Oh, and thanks for the tip: I will definitely steer clear of those tie-ins, then.

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Graphic Man

12-17-2008, 01:27 AM

Dear Marvel:

This may sound like a longshot:

But I really do hope that one of you from the awesome gates of Marvel-dom is truly reading this thread and is taking note. Cause Secret Invasion is the perfect example of getting it right (The one and only time so far) for such a large major Marvel event (IMO).

If I could give you guys an award or some serious money for pulling off such an amazing work of genius off.

I would.

However, there are two minor problems in Invasion that should be looked out for next time, though:

1. One is having another pair of eyes and a better (picture like) blue print laid out to help keep better track of the timeline and all it's little details. Cause the glaring continuity errors in Deadpool #1-3 could have been avoided.

2. Secondly, I would not have placed a Secret Invasion Logo onto the cover of a Dark Reign Tie-In issue in such a matter. It could get some collectors of Secret Invasion ticked off because they are not getting a full Secret Invasion story line anymore. Also the artwork choice for starting such a series was kind of a poor choice in my opinion, too. Especially if you want to grab folks attention at the beginning (on such a new story line). You always should have a really solid and clear artist to begin something new.

Also, this Dark Reign story could have worked as a Secret Invasion Logo title if it had flashbacks of Osborn revealing something new and important to us from his battle against the Skrulls that now ties into Dark Reign.

Like I said before: These two concerns are minor, but I just wanted to give you a heads up the next time you guys create another large major event, again.

Hope that helps (if your listening Marvel).

Well, at least that is my 2 cents worth, anyways.

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Graphic Man

12-17-2008, 01:29 AM

Confessor:

I haven't seen you in a while.

Any thoughts on Civil War and World War Hulk in comparison to Secret Invasion???

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Graphic Man

12-17-2008, 01:30 AM

Alright. I know this doesn't help the reading order lists or anything...

but I found a semi cool trailer for Secret Invasion (that I think you guys might really like):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-Dl3BE8Rw

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Graphic Man

12-17-2008, 05:52 AM

Hey guys:

Just to let you know....

Initiative #19 and Mighty Avengers #20 comes out today in comicbook shops.

Soon we will be able to place these puppies in the reading list.

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The Confessor

12-17-2008, 08:23 AM

I haven't seen you in a while.

No, I haven't posted on this thread with an update recently because I'm waiting for this week's books to come out first. Then I'll place things like the Dark Reign one-shot etc, etc as well.

Any thoughts on Civil War and World War Hulk in comparison to Secret Invasion???

I have to say that I thought Civil War was better than Secret Invasion. World War Hulk was just a big yawn-fest as far as I was concerned...although the World War Hulk: Front Line books were excellent, but I only read a few of the tie-ins for that event anyway.

Secret Invasion has been really enjoyable and my only real complaint would be that I didn't expect the invasion to start and finish within a day and a half. I thought it'd be a much longer affair, with the battle for the Earth unfolding over a period of weeks or even months.

Graphic Man

12-18-2008, 09:50 AM

No, I haven't posted on this thread with an update recently because I'm waiting for this week's books to come out first. Then I'll place things like the Dark Reign one-shot etc, etc as well.

Confessor:

Copy that my friend.

I have to say that I thought Civil War was better than Secret Invasion.

Really? I'm just curious (and not looking to debate), if you could sum it up for me in a few short sentences, what did you like better about Civil War (that would be awesome)?

World War Hulk was just a big yawn-fest as far as I was concerned...

Yeah, I am Hulk fan and it didn't strike me as all that exciting. I know Marvel doesn't know me from atom... but if they were to let me sit on the creative meetings and help map out the story (and make suggestions on where to delegate the right artists to the appropriate issues)... I think I could have helped steer the over-all story and artwork in a much more exciting and realistic direction. That is for sure.

although the World War Hulk: Front Line books were excellent, but I only read a few of the tie-ins for that event anyway.

Yeah, those Front Line books always seem to be pretty descent. At least for me.

Secret Invasion has been really enjoyable and my only real complaint would be that I didn't expect the invasion to start and finish within a day and a half. I thought it'd be a much longer affair, with the battle for the Earth unfolding over a period of weeks or even months.

Well, I came in reading later (towards the end of the year) so I didn't have any expectations of how long the story was going to play out (if I was reading from the very beginning (month by month) that is).

However, (even though it doesn't bother me) I can see the attraction of a Secret Invasion series happening over a longer period of time, though.

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The Confessor

12-18-2008, 10:37 AM

Really? I'm just curious (and not looking to debate), if you could sum it up for me in a few short sentences, what did you like better about Civil War (that would be awesome)?

Well, firstly I thought that the idea of superhero registration and accountability in the Marvel Universe was a really intriguing concept, much more intriguing to me than a Skrull invasion. I thought that Civil War threw up some interesting arguments and the way that it split the superhero community right down the middle made for some really compelling stories.

Also, the big shocking moments in Civil War, like the Thor Clone killing Goliath, Spider-Man unmasking and the assassination of Captain America at the tail end of the event, packed a much harder emotional punch than the events of Secret Invasion. I mean really, was there anything comparable to the three events I've just listed, in terms of drama, during Secret Invasion? I don't believe so.

Then there's the fact that the whole Civil War storyline was really well paced and I have to say, Steve McNiven's artwork in the main series was infinitely superior to Leinil Yu's art in Secret Invasion.

I guess ultimately I felt that Civil War just had a more interesting subject matter than Secret Invasion. The situation that the heroes found themselves in (particularly the anti-registration side) made for some real, edge of the seat drama IMO.

Graphic Man

12-18-2008, 06:45 PM

Confessor:

That is really interesting.

Thank you for sharing. I can definitely see your points on that.

*Scratches chin*

Oh, and I also agree with you on the artwork in Civil War, too. Some it was really breath taking.

However, I just have a couple questions to ask you and hopefully I am done.

1. What is Iron Man's motivations or reasons (besides obeying the law or the government) for turning against his fellow heroes?

2. Does every hero who comes forward and register their identity with the government asked to make their secret identity public knowledge to the entire world (like Peter Park)?

(a) Or (lets say you were one of these super heroes) could the government keep your identity safe within their own personal records only if you registered without giving up your identity to the public?

(b) If heroes are forced to make their identities public to the entire world... are their families or friends put in some kind of witness protection program?

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The Confessor

12-19-2008, 06:47 AM

1. What is Iron Man's motivations or reasons (besides obeying the law or the government) for turning against his fellow heroes?

Well, I was anti-registration and feel that Tony Stark acted like a total douchbag during Civil war, so you won't find me defending him here. However, as far as his own personal motivation goes, he firmly believed (along with Reed Richards) that registering with the government was the only way for the superhero community to survive in the 21st century.

His stance was that the public and the government had had enough of crazy super powered beings trashing the place whenever they had a fight and consequentially, registering was the lesser of two evils. He felt that the government were never going to just scrap the registration bill and let the heroes get on with it like before...that simply wasn't an option. So it was either register or become outlawed, which would effectively make superheroes a thing of the past.

Let's not forget that at the very start of Civil War Tony Stark was anti-registration as well and even went to congress to try and defeat the Superhero Registration bill but it was the events at Stamford that ultimately changed his mind.

Of course, personally, I don't agree with him but I do genuinely think that Stark was trying to ensure that the superhero community survived into the future and didn't become a thing of the past. Although he did some highly questionable things in his attempts to get the superhero community to register. Still, I can clearly see his reasons for supporting the SHRA…even though I don't agree with them.

2. Does every hero who comes forward and register their identity with the government asked to make their secret identity public knowledge to the entire world (like Peter Park)?

(a) Or (lets say you were one of these super heroes) could the government keep your identity safe within their own personal records only if you registered without giving up your identity to the public?

(b) If heroes are forced to make their identities public to the entire world... are their families or friends put in some kind of witness protection program?

No, not every registered Superhero would have to go public like Peter Parker did at all. That was just a one-off publicity stunt that Stark coerced Peter into performing to try and show those that were anti-registration that it was OK to come and register. It was nothing to be afraid of. Of course, it really backfired because it sent a false message to people that if you registered then your secret identity became public knowledge, which wasn’t the case at all. If you registered then your identity would still be secret to the public but the government would know who you were and therefore you could be held accountable for your actions.

Actually, Tony Stark himself admitted that it was probably a mistake to have made Peter unmask on live TV, since it caused many to believe that if you registered your identity would be revealed to the whole world. So the whole unmasking of Spider-Man really did more harm than good to the pro-registration camp.

As for whether the government could keep your identity safe within their own personal records, I have to say that I seriously doubt it. It would be all too easy for some supervillain to hack into the records and then go after certain heroes. This was one of the many reasons I was with Captain America where registration was concerned.

As for a Witness Protection style program for registered Superheroes, this is kind of a moot point because as I've just said, registered heroes wouldn't have their identities made public like Spider-Man did.

The Confessor

12-19-2008, 11:18 AM

OK, here's another update to the strictly chronological Reading Order, to incorporate the tie-ins and Dark Reign issues from the last two weeks.

So, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

CHRONOLOGICAL SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order. Not in published order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Guardians Of The Galaxy #4
Guardians Of The Galaxy #5
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Guardians Of The Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1 (one-shot)

Graphic Man

12-19-2008, 01:41 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AFTERMATH)
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
(A PAGE THAT SAYS FLASHBACK
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Dark Reign #1

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NOTE 1:

The Deadpool series had a quite a few time line errors and didn't really seem to fit anywhere chronologically. So I placed them as a flashback event in the aftermath book (as a Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In).
(For information on Deadpool's continuity goofs (or time line errors) please see this post by clicking... here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7998689&postcount=249).)

NOTE 2:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion.

NOTE 3:

I also deleted both Marvel Spotlight issues on the Skrull Invasion and also Skrull #1 because they were basically behind the scenes or re-cap issues. Nothing is truly lost from the Secret Invasion saga if these non-story issues are not read.

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Graphic Man

12-19-2008, 03:16 PM

Trade Paper Back Update:

I just spent time with the new issues and I totally agree with Confessor's placement. So I mirrored his placement of these new issues as close as I could (which are marked in red in my above post).

Side Note:

I was kind of disappointed with the last page of Initiative 19. The issue was going really great and then at the very end (on the last page) one of the Skrulls does something totally unbelievable and stupid.

Oh, well.

:frown:

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Graphic Man

12-19-2008, 03:36 PM

Confessor:

Thank you for replying on Civil War.

That means a lot to me.

You have answered a lot of lingering problems or questions I was having with it. I am still on the fence on whether or not to continue reading them at the present time, though.

In fact, another problem I am running into:

There appears to be no real reading order list that is completely done for Civil War (that is chronologically placed). I did a Google search to find a Civil War Reading Order... and I found a couple of partial descent ones on a CBR thread (of which I noticed yours on there). However, I would have to piece together the various reading orders (that are not completely done) & make sense of it all.

Not sure if I am ready for such a big commitment just yet.

Which I'm sure you can understand.

:wink:

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Graphic Man

12-19-2008, 06:23 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/Requiem.jpg

An important stepping stone to the big shake-up in MIGHTY AVENGERS by the new creative team of Dan Slott and Khoi Pham, featuring a new name and identity for one of Marvel's classic characters! In this 8-page story after the tragic events of SECRET INVASION #8, two of Earth's mightiest heroes reflect on the life and times of a fallen comrade.

Plus over 40 pages reprinting two classic tales from Marvel’s Silver and Bronze ages: the Wasp’s first appearance (TALES TO ASTONISH #44) and the infamous Hank-hitting-Jan story (AVENGERS #213) — presented with all-new, modern coloring.

Side Note:

This news was taken from Marvel's website and...
this message was also made with real bits of panther, too.

So you know its good.

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sunnymatharuuk

12-19-2008, 06:26 PM

yo dudes, I stumbled across this secret invasion reading order a couple of weeks ago, and gotta say kudos to the lot of you. I didn't start reading it till the crossover was done and i found at least 1 good order, and lo and behold, here we have many.

I ended up mostly (with the odd tweak) going with that hybrid reading order that was chronological apart from flashbacks.

since graphics man has a question about civil war reading orders, i only thought i ought to repay the favour, so apologies for posting something non SI in this thread.

This order is pretty much story based but tries to stick to a decent timeline as well. I found it useful that it was broken up into a few sections as well...sort of like chapters of a novel. Anyway, if you still need one...

00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\001 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #529.cbr
00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\002 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #530.cbr
00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\003 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #531.cbr
00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\004 Fantastic Four v1 #536.cbr
00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\005 Fantastic Four v1 #537.cbr
00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\006 New Avengers - Illuminati v1 Special.cbr
00 - Civil War - The Road To Civil War\007 Civil War Opening Shot Sketchbook.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\008 Civil War #01.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\009 Marvel Spotlight - Mark Millar & Steve McNiven.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\010 She-Hulk v2 #008.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\011 Wolverine v3 #042.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\012 Civil War - Frontline #01.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\013 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #532.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\014 New Avengers #021.cbr
01 - Civil War - Disaster At Stamford\015 X-Factor v3 #008.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\016 Civil War #02.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\017 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #533.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\018 Civil War - Frontline #02.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\019 New Avengers #022.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\020 Thunderbolts #103.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\021 X-Factor v3 #009.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\022 Wolverine v3 #043.cbr
02 - Civil War - The Lines Are Drawn\023 Daily Bugle - Wednesday July 19, 2006.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\024 Wolverine v3 #044.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\025 Civil War - Frontline #03.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\026 Thunderbolts #104.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\027 Thunderbolts #105.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\028 Civil War - Young Avengers & Runaways #01.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\029 Civil War - Young Avengers & Runaways #02.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\030 Civil War - Young Avengers & Runaways #03.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\031 Civil War - Frontline #04.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\032 Civil War - Young Avengers & Runaways #04.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\033 Black Panther v4 #018.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\034 Fantastic Four v1 #538.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\035 Wolverine v3 #045.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\036 Captain America v5 #022.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\037 Heroes For Hire v2 #001.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\038 Black Panther v4 #019.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\039 Cable & Deadpool #030.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\040 Civil War - Frontline #05.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\041 Invincible Iron Man v4 #013.cbr
03 - Civil War - It Begins\042 Black Panther v4 #020.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\043 Civil War #03.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\044 Civil War #04.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\045 Civil War - Frontline #06.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\046 Cable & Deadpool #031.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\047 Civil War - Frontline #07.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\048 Cable & Deadpool #032.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\049 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #534.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\050 Fantastic Four v1 #539.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\051 Black Panther v4 #021.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\052 Black Panther v4 #022.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\053 Civil War - Choosing Sides.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\054 Heroes For Hire v2 #002.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\055 Heroes For Hire v2 #003.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\056 Civil War - X-Men #01.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\057 Civil War - X-Men #02.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\058 Civil War - X-Men #03.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\059 Civil War - X-Men #04.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\060 Ms. Marvel v2 #006.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\061 Captain America v5 #023.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\062 New Avengers #023.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\063 New Avengers #024.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\064 Ms. Marvel v2 #007.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\065 Ms. Marvel v2 #008.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\066 Wolverine v3 #046.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\067 Wolverine v3 #047.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\068 Black Panther v4 #023.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\069 Captain America v5 #024.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\070 Civil War - Frontline #08.cbr
04 - Civil War - The War Heats Up\071 Civil War Files.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\01 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 11.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\02 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 12.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\03 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 13.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\04 Sensational Spider-Man #028.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\05 Sensational Spider-Man #029.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\06 Sensational Spider-Man #030.cbr
05 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (pre-defection)\07 Sensational Spider-Man #031.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\072 Black Panther v4 #024.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\073 Iron Man - Captain America - Causalties of War.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\074 Ghost Rider v4 #008.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\075 Wolverine v3 #048.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\076 Blade v3 #005.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\077 Thunderbolts #110.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\078 Fantastic Four v1 #540.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\079 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #535.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\080 Civil War #05.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\081 Punisher War Journal v2 #01.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\082 Civil War - Frontline #09.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\083 Fantastic Four v1 #541.cbz
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\084 Fantastic Four v1 #542.cbz
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\085 Civil War - War Crimes.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\086 Invincible Iron Man v4 #014.cbr
06 - Civil War - The Cost Of War\087 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #536.cbr
07 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (post -defection)\Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 14.cbr
07 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (post -defection)\Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 15.cbr
07 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (post -defection)\Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 16.cbr
07 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (post -defection)\Sensational Spider-Man #032.cbr
07 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (post -defection)\Sensational Spider-Man #033.cbr
07 - Civil War - Spider-Man Unmasked (post -defection)\Sensational Spider-Man #034.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\088 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #537.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\089 Winter Soldier - Winter Kills.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\090 Civil War - The Return.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\091 Punisher War Journal v2 #02.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\092 Punisher War Journal v2 #03.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\093 Moon Knight v5 #007.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\094 Moon Knight v5 #008.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\095 Moon Knight v5 #009.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\096 Moon Knight v5 #010.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\097 Ghost Rider v4 #009.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\098 Ghost Rider v4 #010.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\099 Ghost Rider v4 #011.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\100 Civil War #06.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\101 Civil War - Frontline #10.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\102 Civil War #07.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\103 Black Panther v4 #025.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\104 New Avengers #025.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\105 Amazing Spider-Man v1 #538.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\106 Civil War - Frontline #11.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\106 Fantastic Four v1 #543.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\107 Captain America v5 #025.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\108 Civil War - Battle Damage Report.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\109 Civil War - The Confession.cbr
08 - Civil War - Finale\110 Marvel Spotlight - Civil War - Aftermath.cbr

sorry it looks a bit crap...just a filelist from my PC.

Again, thank you very much for the SI reading order

The Confessor

12-20-2008, 04:27 AM

sunnymatharuuk

12-20-2008, 09:27 AM

it's funny you say that...i always feel a bit guilty because i only tend to buy the TPB when they come out, and bloody Civil War Chronicles is still running.

Can never actually BUY everything, so the way I see it, the sh!tloads I spend on them, it's okay to read the ones I don't buy on the PC. Also, anything I do have or is no lnger in publication, IMO it's fair game to have those on the hard drive...

Not a great excuse i know...but if it makes you feel better, i do try to buy most of what's on my PC :frown:

Graphic Man

12-20-2008, 05:48 PM

I ended up mostly (with the odd tweak) going with that hybrid reading order that was chronological apart from flashbacks. Since graphics man has a question about civil war reading orders, i only thought i ought to repay the favor.

Sunny:

Wow. I am honored that you used my list.
A lot of it wouldn't be without the help of Confessor, though. He laid a lot of the ground work for me to work upon.
But thank you. Truly.

As for the Civil War Reading Order:
Hey, that was very nice of you to provide one for me. I am definitely starting to lean on the other side of the fence in reading Civil War, now.

Thank you again.

This order is pretty much story based but tries to stick to a decent timeline as well. I found it useful that it was broken up into a few sections as well...sort of like chapters of a novel. Anyway, if you still need one...

Yeah, you know by just looking at my list. That I am all about the story (and reading it as such).

Again, I appreciate it.

sorry it looks a bit crap...just a filelist from my PC.

Its all good.

Again, thank you very much for the SI reading order.

We are all more than glad we could help.

So you are definitely welcome.

Especially after being so helpful, too.

:smile:

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Graphic Man

12-20-2008, 06:38 PM

I ended up mostly (with the odd tweak) going with that hybrid reading order that was chronological apart from flashbacks.

Sunny:

I almost forgot to ask you.

What was the odd tweak that you made in your Secret Invasion Reading Order if you don't mind me asking?

I'm just curious.

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The Confessor

12-21-2008, 04:35 AM

Wow. I am honored that you used my list.

See, that's funny because when sunnymatharuuk said "I ended up mostly going with that hybrid reading order that was chronological apart from flashbacks.", I assumed he was referring to Gyroscope352's list. I mean, his is the Reading Order that is chronological apart from the flashbacks.

But maybe I'm wrong though.

Graphic Man

12-21-2008, 11:38 AM

Confessor:

I think you are probably right. I quickly assumed it was my list because he said he wanted to re-pay the favor (by providing me with a Civil War Reading Order).

My list is chronological (whenever possible) and a few flashback issues are placed as original flashbacks. However, he did say..."apart from flashbacks".... which would suggest that he meant any issue that is a flashback is treated as such (and not chronologically).

Oh, well.

I guess I can't win em all.

:frown:

*Smacks forehead on desk*

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Graphic Man

12-23-2008, 06:28 AM

Sunny:

That Civil War List you gave above is not completely chronological. New Avengers Illuminati #1 should be the first issue that should be read on that list.

So my original assessment that there is no real chronological reading order for Civil War doesn't exist out there. I searched Google again and still could find nothing. It looks like I am back to square one on this one, again.

However, thank you for the list anyways. Your effort is appreciated. Perhaps I will use it with Confessor's old (incomplete list) to create a new one (that is a bit more chronological).

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4761848&postcount=541

Side Note:

Tomorrow is the release of Secret Invasion Requiem #1 folks.

The wait will soon be over with all our reading lists (soon).

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Switters

12-23-2008, 05:49 PM

The Confessor

12-23-2008, 06:16 PM

Alright, lets start getting that Dark Reign reading order list going (which basically means: alright Gyroscope352 and Confessor, lets start getting that Dark Reign reading order list going). New thread or just keep it going from here?

Well, like I've said in this other thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250461) and also previously in this thread as well...

Dark Reign isn't really an "event" in the same way as Secret Invasion or Civil War were. Dark Reign is just a broad banner for some of Marvel's books for the foreseeable future and after that those same books will just continue as part of the ongoing Marvel Universe. To paraphrase Gyroscope352, think of it this way, Dark Reign is to Secret Invasion what The Initiative was to Civil War.

So, personally, I won't be contributing to a Dark Reign Reading Order because I honestly believe it requires or, in fact, deserves a reading order.

I have been and will continue to add a few of the early "Dark Reign" books to the tail-end of my Secret Invasion Reading Order but only those that I feel are either connected directly to Secret Invasion or those that tie up any loose ends from Secret Invasion.

Of course, if you want to start your own Dark Reign Reading Order thread Switters, then be my guest but I have to say that my opinion on the merits of a Dark Reign Reading Order appears to be widely shared by other posters in the Marvel forum.

Switters

12-23-2008, 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=The Confessor;8104937]Well, like I've said in this other thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250461) and also previously in this thread as well...

Dark Reign isn't really an "event" in the same way as Secret Invasion or Civil War were. Dark Reign is just a broad banner for some of Marvel's books for the foreseeable future and after that those same books will just continue as part of the ongoing Marvel Universe. To paraphrase Gyroscope352, think of it this way, Dark Reign is to Secret Invasion what The Initiative was to Civil War.

I have to respectfully disagree and when I say "respectively" I truly mean it. I in no way, shape or form have the patience or knowledge to put these things in chronological order the way that you guys do. I really do respect and appreciate it so please do not take my disagreement the wrong way. While they may not be an "event" in the same way as Secret Invasion or Civil War I can't agree that that the above analogy is correct either. The Initiative is a single comic in itself. It appears that dark reign will be a group of different comics. They even have a checklist at the back of the Marvel Dark Reign Preview. While I do agree that it probably will not be an "event" like Secret Invasion or Civil War I do believe that it will be a collection of Marvell comic books that will tie in to one another and will have a beginning and an end. Chances are that I am wrong, I am relatively new to the comic book world but even if I'm half right the OCD side of my personality would love to see some kind of reading order.

Please set me straight if I'm completely off on this. And someone let me know how to quote from a prior post because I apparently did it wrong...lol. Thanks again for all you guys do.

JohnShil

12-23-2008, 07:30 PM

DARK REIGN and INITIATIVE are similar in their application to ongoing series. There will be no mini-series called DARK REIGN, just like there was no INITIATIVE mini-series. There was an INITIATIVE one-shot and the word was a banner on many of Marvel's ongoings. ComicBookDB (http://comicbookdb.com/storyarc.php?ID=2017) lists the crapload of books that got the banner. DARK REIGN seems to be going in the same vein, with a couple of one-shots and tie-ins with a few ongoings, though I do think it seems to have more of a direction (that is, beginning, middle & end) than INITIATIVE.

You got the quote mostly right, by the way. You didn't include the closing tag (or deleted it.) Add [/quote] to the end of the quote.

The Confessor

12-24-2008, 05:18 AM

I have to respectfully disagree and when I say "respectively" I truly mean it. I in no way, shape or form have the patience or knowledge to put these things in chronological order the way that you guys do. I really do respect and appreciate it so please do not take my disagreement the wrong way.

Hey, no worries...you're allowed to disagree with me, that's what message boards are for! :wink: I'm not always right and like anybody, I can only offer my opinion on these things, whether you agree or not with that opinion is entirely up to you.

I am usually right though! :evilsmile: :wink:

While they may not be an "event" in the same way as Secret Invasion or Civil War I can't agree that that the above analogy is correct either. The Initiative is a single comic in itself. It appears that dark reign will be a group of different comics.

I just wanted to echo what JohnShil said in the above post basically. The Initiative was far more than one book. Directly after Civil War finished a large number of Marvel books bore the "Inititive" banner in much the same way as many books are now bearing the "Dark Reign" banner. Over time, these “Initiative” books quietly dropped that banner and just continued telling their regular stories. The same thing will undoubtedly happen with the "Dark Reign" banner that is gracing a number of forthcoming books, so I think that the analogy is a sound one.

I have to say though, that you may not be the only one hankering after a Dark Reign Reading Order, so feel free to start your own thread dealing with that subject. Just be aware though that when someone else recently tried to start a thread like that (here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250461)) they didn't seem to get a lot of support from the Marvel forum. Many people I suspect feel the same way that I do, that Dark Reign doesn't really require a Reading Order.

Graphic Man

12-26-2008, 06:30 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AFTERMATH)
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS FLASHBACK
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Dark Reign #1

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NOTE 1:

The Deadpool series had a quite a few time line errors and didn't really seem to fit anywhere chronologically. So I placed them as a flashback event in the aftermath book (as a Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In).
(For information on Deadpool's continuity goofs (or time line errors) please see this post by clicking... here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7998689&postcount=249).)

NOTE 2:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion.

NOTE 3:

I also deleted both Marvel Spotlight issues on the Skrull Invasion and also Skrull #1 because they were basically behind the scenes or re-cap issues. Nothing is truly lost from the Secret Invasion saga if these non-story issues are not read.

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Graphic Man

12-26-2008, 06:39 PM

Trade Paper Back Update:

SECRET INVASION REQUIEM #1

I placed Requiem #1 after Mighty Avengers #20 because Hank's journey in Requiem feels like it is his final act of Secret Invasion. Hank's new change at the end of Requiem is a book end moment that sets the stage for a completely new chapter.

Yet Requiem #1 needs to be placed before any of the Dark Reign tie-in issues because Dark Reign is a more larger and prominent story line (than Hank Pym's story arc). Plus ending on Dark Reign is a good way to continue reading into the Dark Reign issues (if one so chooses to do so).

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Graphic Man

12-26-2008, 06:44 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AFTERMATH)
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS FLASHBACK
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1

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NOTE 1:

The Deadpool series had a quite a few time line errors and didn't really seem to fit anywhere chronologically. So I placed them as a flashback event in the aftermath book (as a Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In).
(For information on Deadpool's continuity goofs (or time line errors) please see this post by clicking... here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7998689&postcount=249).)

NOTE 2:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion.

NOTE 3:

I also deleted both Marvel Spotlight issues on the Skrull Invasion and also Skrull #1 because they were basically behind the scenes or re-cap issues. Nothing is truly lost from the Secret Invasion saga if these non-story issues are not read.

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Graphic Man

12-27-2008, 08:40 PM

Trade Paper Back Update:

SECRET INVASION FRONTLINE #5

I re-placed Secret Invasion Frontline #5. The reason for this move is because the issue ends on a strong note for Dark Reign (Which was a good tie-in to the Dark Reign issues). Also, NA #47, MA #20, and Requiem #1 is basically a clumped together Avengers story line or arc now (which makes things flow really nicely). Besides, leaving Requiem #1 as an ending issue before any of the Dark Reign issues really felt kind of awkward as far as placement, anyways.

Side Note:

Just like the building of a house: I chose some of my placement based on fractal aesthetics. A wall, window, roof, the ground floor must join together to create a house, just as the bricks must join together to create the wall. Thus was my reasoning behind the placement of my issues. Their placement was based on how they would feel when you would read them. Do they appear to be placed chronologically? Do they seem to flow nicely (as far as story)? Do they make some kind of sense?

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Graphic Man

12-27-2008, 08:40 PM

Hello Everyone:

As you probably already know: It looks like Secret Invasion is not over yet....

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Graphic Man

12-30-2008, 01:25 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SecretInvasionWarofKings.jpg

SECRET INVASION WAR OF KINGS #1

It looks like another issue I am going to have to place come January.
I really hope this is the last of the Secret Invasion stuff.
However, I don't think I will hold my breath on it, though.

Sid Note:

After looking at the preview for this issue (and seeing that the events of this issue takes place partly in the present (and 16 hours before): I have a feeling that this issue could work really well as the very last issue to read in Secret Invasion. It also makes a nice book end issue by having the Skrulls in it, too.

Oh, and here is the issue preview just in case you missed the Secret Invasion War of Kings thread:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=458577590

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Graphic Man

01-02-2009, 05:34 AM

Trade Paper Back Update:

Hello again folks. I have finally have checked out Marvel's digital comic titled "Secret Invasion: Home #1". On the last page: Hank's sister discovers the Skrull ships up in the air during the night. So seeing the Punisher War Journal issues deal with the fighting of the Skrulls in the evening... I thought this issue would make a good prelude to Punisher's Secret Invasion 2 issue story arc.

Furthermore, I have also officially placed the War of Kings issue (based on the current preview). I even changed the names of some of the pages in my AFTERMATH BOOK, as well. I re-named the first chapter "OUT OF THE ASHES" (instead of AFTERMATH) because it sounds cooler and it also fits the story arc involving the theme of pain, loss, and new beginnings. I also re-named the second chapter "NOT LONG AGO..." because it sounds much better than a chapter simply named "FLASHBACK". Furthermore, I added a chapter (a page) that says "EPILOGUE" for the War of Kings one shot issue (according to the recent preview).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS OUT OF THE ASHES)
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS NOT LONG AGO...)
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS EPILOGUE)
Secret Invasion #1: War of Kings (Educated placement based on current preview)

So when all is said and done, my list now looks like this...

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Graphic Man

01-02-2009, 06:33 AM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(NEW TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a New Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion. An over-all story that helps put Secret Invasion in better perspective. Which could be used to construct a new and more exciting hard cover series or 2nd printing.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS OUT OF THE ASHES)
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS NOT LONG AGO...)
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS EPILOGUE)
Secret Invasion #1: War of Kings

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NOTE 1:

The Deadpool series had a quite a few time line errors and didn't really seem to fit anywhere chronologically. So I placed them as a flashback event in the aftermath book (as a Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In).
(For information on Deadpool's continuity goofs (or time line errors) please see this post by clicking... here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7998689&postcount=249).)

NOTE 2:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion.

NOTE 3:

I also deleted both Marvel Spotlight issues on the Skrull Invasion and also Skrull #1 because they were basically behind the scenes or re-cap issues. Nothing is truly lost from the Secret Invasion saga if these non-story issues are not read.

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Graphic Man

01-06-2009, 10:53 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SecretInvasion02-1-1.jpg

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #8

Well, according to Comic Book Legacy Blog:

It looks like we will have yet another issue dealing with the Secret Invasion Saga. I am going to take a wild guess and say that this entire Guardians of the Galaxy issue #8 will take place in the present with most of the other War of King issues that are cropping up. However, in this case I think I am going to truly wait (this time) before I place this issue alongside the Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1 issue, though.

Source: http://comicbooklegacy.blogspot.com/2009/01/guardians-of-galaxy-8.html

Oh, and just in case anyone out there missed it:
Here is a video trailer for War of Kings from Marvel.....

http://beta.sling.com/video/show/100026/11/War-of-Kings-Trailer

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SecretInvasion01-1.jpg

Woah, I almost forgot to mention this:
Make sure you go out immediately and make friends with your local Skrull today.
They really are here on this earth to simply help us....

Skrull Video Commercial 1: http://beta.sling.com/video/show/100572/26/Embrace-Change-TV-Commercial

Skrull Video Commercial 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4tvk8YM2R0

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Graphic Man

01-11-2009, 10:29 AM

Trade Paper Back Confirmation:

I just finished War of Kings issue #1 and it does in fact take place in the present like I suspected. Which means my educated placement for this issue based on the comic preview is correct and is confirmed to be true. So in conclusion: if this War of Kings issue does take place in the present (of which it does) then the only place it can logically be placed (within the Trade Paper Back List) is at the very end of Secret Invasion.

Here is my current (now confirmed) list in my above post...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8151975&postcount=336

Side Note:

Oh, and if you have been hesitant in picking up this issue. I would highly recommend picking it up. It is an issue that will definitely make you say... Wow.
Furthermore, this issue is also a great bridge issue between Secret Invasion and this new War of Kings series, as well. So don't delay. Pick this puppy up as soon as you brush your teeth.

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Graphic Man

01-12-2009, 03:04 PM

Trade Paper Back Update:

Guardians of the Galaxy #8:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SecretInvasGuard.jpg

In Guardians #8 we see Blastaar knows about Earth's super powered prison and is planning to leave his post and invade Earth (obviously without the Kree's knowledge) at the end of this issue.

Then in.....

Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/SecretInvasionWar.jpg

We see the Kree named Ronan talking with one of his minions and his servant conveyed to him that Blastaar had not responded to any official communiques for almost a week.

So in other words: this means that the War of Kings #1 issue clearly happens after Guardians #8.

Of which you will now see that I have placed Guardians of the Galaxy #8 marked in red in my Aftermath Book here....

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS OUT OF THE ASHES)
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS NOT LONG AGO...)
Deadpool #1 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #2 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
Deadpool #3 (Placed as a Flashback) (Dark Reign Prequel Tie-In)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS EPILOGUE)
Guardians of the Galaxy #8
Secret Invasion #1: War of Kings

Side Note:

And below is what my new current list looks like now (in it's entirety).....

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Graphic Man

01-12-2009, 03:16 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(NEW TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a New Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion. An over-all story that helps put Secret Invasion in better perspective. Which could be used to construct a new and more exciting hard cover series or 2nd printing.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS OUT OF THE ASHES)
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Dark Avengers #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS EPILOGUE)
Guardians of the Galaxy #8
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1:

SECRET INVASION BOOK 12 (SPECIAL FEATURES):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS ALIEN ATTACK REVEALED)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS SKRULL FILES)
Skrulls #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS GAG REEL)
Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS CONTINUITY GOOF EVENT)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS AND MORE DELETED SCENES)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A LOOK BACK ON THE ALIEN ATTACK)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

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NOTE 1:

The Deadpool series had a quite a few time line errors and didn't really seem to fit anywhere chronologically. So I placed them as a continuity goof event (or deleted scene) in the special features book.
(For information on Deadpool's continuity goofs (or time line errors) please see this post by clicking... here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7998689&postcount=249).)

NOTE 2:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion. However, if you do want to place these issues then I would place them like this:

PowerPack #1-4
(Should be placed right after Inhumans #2)

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(Should be placed directly after Avengers Initiative Annual #1)

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Graphic Man

01-21-2009, 11:39 PM

Secret Invasion Reading Orders Update:

In my list above: I added Book 12 as a special features graphic novel, even though it would be kind of on the thin side. This way, every Secret Invasion issue is accounted for. Just look in my post (I edited) above to see the changes.

I also added an almost new reading order, too.

Simply check out it out below (if your interested)...

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Graphic Man

01-22-2009, 03:34 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(COMPLETE)
This list is mirrored off of my Trade Paper Back List. However, this time I placed Deadpool chronologically, and I added the issues I originally deleted.

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1
SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123-a (Pages 1-3)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Thunderbolts #123-b (Pages 4-23)
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Dark Avengers #1
Guardians of the Galaxy #8
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1

SUPPLEMENTAL READING ORDER:

Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Skrulls #1
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

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Graphic Man

01-23-2009, 01:03 AM

Secret Invasion Reading Orders Update:

I added Dark Avengers #1 to both of my reading orders above.

Logically, I kept it placed within the Dark Reign story line.

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Graphic Man

01-23-2009, 01:04 AM

Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Dark Avengers #1
Guardians of the Galaxy #8
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1

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Blue Blazes

01-28-2009, 07:49 PM

wow!! good work.

I read them as they came out, however i think im still missing a few....

Graphic Man

01-31-2009, 07:43 PM

wow!! good work.
I read them as they came out, however i think im still missing a few....

Blue Blazes:

Yeah, it was a lot work.

But I appreciate the gratitude.

That means a lot.

I truly hope you that you discover something useful from one of our reading orders here.

:smile:

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Graphic Man

01-31-2009, 07:45 PM

Complete List Update:

After finishing up on working on the Civil War Reading Orders two days ago, I really have come to the conclusion that the Marvel Holiday Special (2008) that deals a little bit with Secret Invasion is actually a comedy issue. I believe that it was never meant to be placed in the main reading of Secret Invasion. I think the book was meant to be more of an optional supplemental reading issue.

So I moved it in my supplemental reading order to mirror my Secret Invasion Trade Paper Back List of which you can check out here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8210779&postcount=340) (Just in case you missed it).

Side Note:

Oh, and If your interested: you can also check out the most recent and final changes on my Civil War Reading Orders...

here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8323333&postcount=603), here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8323338&postcount=604), here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8323347&postcount=605), here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8327024&postcount=607), and here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8327028&postcount=608),

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Graphic Man

02-01-2009, 04:00 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(COMPLETE)
This list is mirrored off of my Trade Paper Back List. However, this time I placed Deadpool chronologically, and I added the issues I originally deleted.

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers #40 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Original Flashback)
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Avengers: The Initiative #14
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1
SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Nova #16
Nova #17
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
SECRET INVASION #3
Thunderbolts #123-a (Pages 1-3)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Thunderbolts #123-b (Pages 4-23)
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #124
Thunderbolts #125
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
SECRET INVASION #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
New Avengers #47
Mighty Avengers #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Dark Avengers #1
Guardians of the Galaxy #8
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1

SUPPLEMENTAL READING ORDER:

Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Skrulls #1
Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

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Blue Blazes

02-01-2009, 04:54 PM

i think once all these major cross over events slow down (if ever), ill have to go back and re-read in that order, see if it makes any more sense.

Graphic Man

02-01-2009, 06:47 PM

i think once all these major cross over events slow down (if ever),

Blue Blazes:

Civil War as you may have guessed is pretty much done and over with. I am also having a sneaky feeling we have reached the end of Secret Invasion, too. If there are any upcoming Invasion books, it probably won't be that many (if it all). For one, Secret Invasion wasn't as popular as Civil War. Secondly, the way that the writers ended The Invasion Series made us believe that there really wasn't anymore important Skrull story lines to tell, as well.

On the other hand: we could see one or two more issues or maybe even a mini series event on the remaining beaten down Skrulls or something.

But my spider-sense is telling me that probably won't happen.

ill have to go back and re-read in that order, see if it makes any more sense.

Yeah, I tried to structure my reading orders as if your were listening to a bunch of songs.

In fact, a normal person wouldn't listen to 30 seconds of a song then skip to the next song for another 30 seconds and so on and so on.

I believe the reading of a multiple stories or a story arc of comic book issues is the same concept as listening to a group of songs.

Whenever possible: everything should be structured in a way so that it promotes an unbroken line of connected mini story lines or arcs.

Thus why you see a lot of the same titled issues clumped together in my reading orders.

This is cause any issues with no major time gaps in between them are attempted to be kept together to maintain a smooth and unbroken line or reading flow.

Which in my opinion (with my reading orders): I think you would definitely be satisfied in getting a clearer view of the overall picture or Major Story Event for either Civil War or Secret Invasion.

I also would recommend checking out my Trade Paper Back Concept Reading Orders for both Civil War and Secret Invasion. Just like there are deleted scenes in a movie (sometimes), I deleted issues I thought conflicted with the other issues to help the overall story stay on track and flow more naturally.

You can find the links to these reading orders in my recent post....

here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8327194&postcount=347).

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The Confessor

02-09-2009, 10:59 AM

OK, this is probably the last update I'll be doing to the strictly chronological Reading Order, incorporating the few last tie-ins from recent weeks. I'm not sure how much more updating I'll be doing to this list in the future...Secret Invasion is pretty much complete now, but we'll see. The five issues of Secret Invasion: Front Line have been placed near the end of the chronology because they are written from the point of view of Ben Urich looking back over the whole invasion.

Anyway, our strictly Chronological Reading Order now looks like this...

CHRONOLOGICAL SECRET INVASION READING ORDER
(NOTE: Flashback issues are in strictly chronological order. Not in published order)

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (exclusive Marvel.com digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Guardians Of The Galaxy #4
Guardians Of The Galaxy #5
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Guardians Of The Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
New Avengers #48
Mighty Avengers #20
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #49
Secret Invasion: War Of Kings #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1 (one-shot)

CrazyBill

03-15-2009, 11:46 AM

I'm still wrapping up SI and this is exactly what I needed. Thanks to all for the hard work, it couldn't have been easy to do. I've enjoyed the thread much more than just some list. I gave props to some of the bigger contributors in immensely unpopular blog: http://crazybill.wordpress.com/

Thanks again. Are you guys working on a Dark Reign one now?

The Confessor

03-15-2009, 01:56 PM

I gave props to some of the bigger contributors in immensely unpopular blog: http://crazybill.wordpress.com/

Ha ha...lovely! Public recognition for all our hard work at last! :smile:

Many thanks for that CrazyBill. Personally, it's always been my hope that folks out there would get some good use out of one or more of the Reading Orders presented here.

I don't know if you realised (you probably did) but Gyroscope352, Graphic Man and myself have actually been thrashing out three different reading orders here. As you can see from the posts in this thread, an awful lot of thought, discussion and examination of minutiae went into these Reading Orders.

Mine is a strictly chronological one, with all the flashbacks placed as they happened and not treated as flashbacks. Gyroscope352's one is similar to mine except that the flashback issues are placed in reading order as flashbacks, so as to not spoil the big reveals in Secret Invasion. Graphic Man's is a bit different in that it's a "trade paperback" style reading order that gathers together major reading arcs in a more or less chronological order.

Are you guys working on a Dark Reign one now?

No, there isn't a Dark Reign reading order being worked on. The general consensus between ourselves and many other posters in this forum was that it didn't really need one. Dark Reign isn't really an "event" in the same way that Civil War or Secret Invasion were. It's just a banner that has appeared on a lot of Marvel's books in the aftermath of Secret Invasion...in exactly the same way that a lot of books carried "The Initiative" banner after Civil War. Eventually these Dark Reign banners will disappear and the Marvel Universe will carry on...just like The Initiative banners eventually disappeared.

Anyway, thanks again for the props CrazyBill, glad you found this thread useful.

jackolover

03-15-2009, 02:23 PM

I

Thanks again. Are you guys working on a Dark Reign one now?

I found a good site, (which I lost unfortunately), and this guy picked the the mornings, mid-day, evenings and night for each comic to give the timeline, and arranged the books in that order. "Ms Marvel" became the over reaching tie-in here, because it starts 6 weeks after Secret Invasion finishes and then works backwards, so everything since NA #48 is related to that. It becomes tedious trying to read the intimate detail of every book, but you can set books using this method. Currently, in Dark Reign, we are at SI + 6 weeks.

The Confessor

03-15-2009, 03:31 PM

I found a good site, (which I lost unfortunately), and this guy picked the the mornings, mid-day, evenings and night for each comic to give the timeline, and arranged the books in that order.

Yeah, that kind of detail was examined in our SI Reading Orders here. I can certainly remember taking whether it was Day or Night and where the Day/Night line was globally, into account in order to figure out the placings for some of the Punisher, Captain Britain, War Machine, Black Panther and X-Men tie-ins. It's certainly a useful method of working these things out.

jackolover

03-15-2009, 05:18 PM

Yeah, that kind of detail was examined in our SI Reading Orders here. I can certainly remember taking whether it was Day or Night and where the Day/Night line was globally, into account in order to figure out the placings for some of the Punisher, Captain Britain, War Machine, Black Panther and X-Men tie-ins. It's certainly a useful method of working these things out.

I did not know you used that method. This guy I got the DR reading order from, also looked at the seasons as a long term timeline, like, "Green grass and green leaves on trees in Washington". By this he can set the seasons and locations, as well as the time.

CrazyBill

03-15-2009, 08:41 PM

jackolover

03-15-2009, 09:06 PM

I didn't read the entire thread, but did read a great deal of it. Thanks for the explanation of the different methods. I really enjoyed the different theories and banter. I also showed some love on Gamefaqs too, so hopefully more will realize your greatness. I really am impressed.

I'll have to catch up on my reading so I can join in this summer. Hopefully it won't be another dud like WWHulk. I hope DR isn't as impotent as The Initiative was; I feel like that one was just a way to sell books.

I think WWH was a way to slot Hulk back into the Marvel Universe, not some war of kings that I thought it might be.

The Initiative was a way to show case old, long dormant characters, like in AI and TBolts, and give them new life. I sure wish they would give American Eagle his own book, and maybe have a teamup book with that girl (whose name escapes me) from TBolts, and the guy whose broken back was just healed in GoG. And I would like to see MVP clone now on the ranch at home, get a few stories. He was a gentleman like Captain America.

The Confessor

03-17-2009, 10:23 AM

This guy I got the DR reading order from, also looked at the seasons as a long term timeline, like, "Green grass and green leaves on trees in Washington".

Wow! That is pretty hardcore...and I thought we were obsessive. :biggrin:

I didn't read the entire thread, but did read a great deal of it. Thanks for the explanation of the different methods. I really enjoyed the different theories and banter.

No, I'm not surprised that you didn't read the whole thread...there's rather a lot of it. The thread can roughly be divided into two halves though, around about page 4 it sort of died a death until myself, Gyroscope352 and Graphic Man revived it with our input.

I also showed some love on Gamefaqs too, so hopefully more will realize your greatness. I really am impressed.

Thanks again for the kind words CrazyBill and thanks for spreading the word about this thread. Unfortunately, I don't think Gyroscope352 and Graphic Man post on the CBR very often nowadays (if at all), which is a shame. I'm sure that they'd be pleased to hear that folks are still getting some good use out of their hard work.

Graphic Man

06-11-2009, 12:08 PM

Thanks again for the kind words CrazyBill and thanks for spreading the word about this thread. Unfortunately, I don't think Gyroscope352 and Graphic Man post on the CBR very often nowadays (if at all), which is a shame. I'm sure that they'd be pleased to hear that folks are still getting some good use out of their hard work.

Confessor

Wow. That is good news. I am pleased to hear that some folks out there are enjoying our lists. Yeah, it has been a quite some time since I posted here. It is good to know that the thread is appreciated from all our hard work.

And thank you for mentioning me kind sir. I am honored.

P.S. ~ Plus, I did notice I didn't add two issues to my list either. I'm gonna have to update that.

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Graphic Man

06-11-2009, 12:19 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(COMPLETE)
This list should be my final and complete Reading Order for Secret Invasion.
For the most part, this list is mirrored off of my Trade Paper Back List. So, to finish up this series, I added Avengers #48 and #49 (of which I placed right before Dark Avengers #1 (located towards the bottom of my list)).

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
Mighty Avengers #8
New Avengers #40 (Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Flashback)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1
SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-a (Pages 1-20)
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #16
Nova #17
Nova #18
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Avengers: The Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123-a (pages 1-3)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Thunderbolts #123-b (pages 4-23)
Thunderbolts #124
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #125
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
New Avengers #47
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
New Avengers #48
New Avengers #49
Dark Avengers #1
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1
War of Kings Ascension #1-a (Pages 1-3)

SUPPLEMENTAL READING ORDER:

Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Skrulls #1
Marvel Holiday Special (2008) (Can be placed directly after Avengers Initiative Annual #1)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

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Graphic Man

06-11-2009, 12:43 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(NEW TRADE PAPER BACK CONCEPT)
This list is meant to help create a New Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion. An over-all story that helps put Secret Invasion in better perspective. Which could be used to construct a new and more exciting hard cover series or 2nd printing.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

Also, this should be my final update for my 2nd Reading Order (of which I have included Avengers #48 and #49 to the list). In this Trade Paperback Version I have moved these issues into "The Deleted Scenes" section of my "Special Features Book" (For an explanation on this, see Note 3 at the bottom).

Furthermore, I have included a list of deleted issues at the very bottom from my Recommended Reading Order, as well (See Note 4 below).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
Mighty Avengers #8
New Avengers #40 (Flashback)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-a (Pages 1-20)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #16
Nova #17
Nova #18
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #4
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD 1):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE ASGARD ATTACK)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (AROUND THE WORLD 2):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (OUR VERY SURVIVAL):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5

SECRET INVASION BOOK 12 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

Avengers: The Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123
Thunderbolts #124
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #125
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Top 2 panels on last page eliminated)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 13 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS OUT OF THE ASHES)
New Avengers #47
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
New Avengers #48
New Avengers #49
Dark Avengers #1
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS EPILOGUE)
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1
War of Kings Ascension #1-a (Pages 1-3)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 14 (SPECIAL FEATURES 1):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS ALIEN ATTACK REVEALED)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS SKRULL FILES)
Skrulls #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS DELETED ISSUES PART 1)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS FOR YOUNGER READERS)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS CRAZY KIDS PART 1:)
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE TALKING DEAD SKRULL)
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Top two panels on last page shown).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 15 (SPECIAL FEATURES 2):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS GAG REEL)
Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS DELETED ISSUES PART 2)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS UNNEEDED FLASHBACKS)
New Avengers #42 (Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Flashback)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS CRAZY KIDS PART 2:)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS CONTINUITY GOOF)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A LOOK BACK ON THE ALIEN ATTACK)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

NOTE 1:

Also, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion. However, if you do want to place these issues then I would place them like this:

PowerPack #1-4
(Should be placed right after Inhumans #2)

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(Should be placed directly after Avengers Initiative Annual #1)

NOTE 2:

In case your interested: Here are some explanations on the deleted books from my Recommended Reading Order in Secret Invasion...

1. Secret Invasion: Home #1-8 (Artwork and writing is horrible and clarity of each book is bad).
2. Secret Invasion: Requiem #1 (Important arc for Hank, but not that great of an issue and it slows the story down).
3. Secret Invasion: New Nation #1 (Cow Skrulls? Really?)
4. Thunderbolts #126 - #127 (Necessary for reading Dark Reign, but otherwise it slows the story down)
5. Dark Reign #1 (Horrible artwork and an even less exciting story line)
6. Powerpack #1 - #4 (Treats the Skrulls as if they are goofy fun loving villains).
7. Marvel Holiday Special #1 (Comedy issue that is way too silly to be taken seriously).
8. New Avengers #42 (Is a slow and unnecessary flashback issue).
9. New Avengers #45 (Is another slow and unnecessary flashback issue).
10. Secret Invasion Saga #1 (Is an unneeded recap issue of Invasion and a brief history of the Skrulls).

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Graphic Man

06-11-2009, 02:09 PM

SECRET INVASION READING ORDER:
(RECOMMENDED READING ORDER)
This list is a brand new reading order based off my own personal reading preference. It is exactly the same as my other reading orders, except I deleted various issues. These issues had been removed because I felt they either hurt the over all story or it had seriously slowed it down. Just as a good director must cut scenes he loves from his film, I felt I had to make some tough choices in order for the story to flow right.

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
Mighty Avengers #8
New Avengers #40 (Flashback)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1
SECRET INVASION #1
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #16
Nova #17
Nova #18
SECRET INVASION #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Avengers: The Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123-a (Pages 1-3)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Thunderbolts #123-b (Pages 4-23)
Thunderbolts #124
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #125
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Ignore or cut out the top 2 panels on the last page)
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
New Avengers #48
New Avengers #49
Dark Avengers #1
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1
War of Kings Ascension #1-a (Pages 1-3)

SUPPLEMENTAL READING ORDER:

Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Skrulls #1
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

DELETED ISSUES:
(To Read Afterwards, If Desired)

New Avengers #42 (Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Flashback)
Secret Invasion Saga #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
Marvel Holiday Special #1
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Top 2 panels on the last page)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23)

Note:

If you are interested in my explanations for the removal of these issues here are three of my recent issues I just had removed.

1. Mighty Avengers #14 (Is a story line that is just unnecessary. It is basically trying to tell us Sentry is crazy, but the issue is slow and unimpressive about it) (Plus, we don't need to know Sentry is crazy. We all know that you would have to be nuts if you were to ever side with Norman Osbourne (Dark Avengers #1)).

For more deleted issues and their explanations please check the bottom of my previous post above. Thank you.

Note 2:

Also, just like with the Trade Paper Back Reading Order, you can read the deleted issues last as if they were deleted scenes for a DVD. They are intended to be read last like the supplementary issues. Furthermore, I placed the deleted issues in chronological order of when they occurred. However, you can read them in any order you prefer.

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Will.S

06-11-2009, 03:18 PM

The Confessor

06-11-2009, 05:08 PM

BTW did you happen to read them in that order and if so, does it enhance the whole SI reading experience?

I've re-read Secret Invasion using my strictly chronological reading order and I think that yes, it does enhance the overall reading experience. Of course, which reading order you choose (out of the ones presented in this thread) all depends on what you want out of that reading experience.

My Reading Order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8381418&postcount=351) is strictly chronological...even the flashback issues...so, some surprises from the main invasion are spoiled ahead of time. So, this might not be the best reading order for someone who's reading Secret Invasion for the first time, depending on your mileage. On the other hand, with a strictly chronological reading order, you do get to see all of the pieces of the Skrull plot falling into place as they happened and thus, the whole story unfolds in a very natural way. So, maybe my reading order would work with a brand new reader. As I say, it all depends on your own personal preference.

Gyroscope352's reading order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8037181&postcount=287) is similar to mine except that the flashback issues are placed in reading order (as actual flashbacks), so as to not spoil the big reveals in Secret Invasion.

Graphic Man's is a "trade paperback" style reading order that gathers together major reading arcs in a more or less chronological order. But he's more interested in gathering complete arcs together into a satisfying read, rather than being a slave to any kind of timeline.

Take your pick. :smile:

longshot3

06-11-2009, 06:07 PM

Gyroscope352's reading order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8037181&postcount=287) is similar to mine except that the flashback issues are placed in reading order (as actual flashbacks), so as to not spoil the big reveals in Secret Invasion.

Take your pick. :smile:

This is the one I read and highly recommend it. But, it is all in your own personal taste really.

Speaking of reading orders, can anyone point me out to one for the War of Kings???

Will.S

06-11-2009, 06:31 PM

I've re-read Secret Invasion using my strictly chronological reading order and I think that yes, it does enhance the overall reading experience. Of course, which reading order you choose (out of the ones presented in this thread) all depends on what you want out of that reading experience.

My Reading Order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8381418&postcount=351) is strictly chronological...even the flashback issues...so, some surprises from the main invasion are spoiled ahead of time. So, this might not be the best reading order for someone who's reading Secret Invasion for the first time, depending on your mileage. On the other hand, with a strictly chronological reading order, you do get to see all of the pieces of the Skrull plot falling into place as they happened and thus, the whole story unfolds in a very natural way. So, maybe my reading order would work with a brand new reader. As I say, it all depends on your own personal preference.

Gyroscope352's reading order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8037181&postcount=287) is similar to mine except that the flashback issues are placed in reading order (as actual flashbacks), so as to not spoil the big reveals in Secret Invasion.

Graphic Man's is a "trade paperback" style reading order that gathers together major reading arcs in a more or less chronological order. But he's more interested in gathering complete arcs together into a satisfying read, rather than being a slave to any kind of timeline.

Take your pick. :smile:
I was kind of thinking in terms of how one would read the event if they were to put out some sort of omnibus similar to Secret Wars II but chronological usually works best for me as well.

Graphic Man

06-12-2009, 10:39 AM

Graphic Man's is a "trade paperback" style reading order that gathers together major reading arcs in a more or less chronological order. But he's more interested in gathering complete arcs together into a satisfying read, rather than being a slave to any kind of timeline.

Confessor:

It is really good to have finally caught up with you on the forums again.
And thank you for the recommendation. It is much appreciated, friend.
Anyways, I still think it is very cool that we have come up with three very distinct SI Reading Orders here at CBR.

Thank you again for all your hard work.

:smile:

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Graphic Man

06-12-2009, 11:40 AM

I was thinking of compiling my own type of reading order to see if it reads much better with all the supplementary books but I'll try reading it in the list you posted here Graphic Man.

Will:

Well, I always looked at the supplementary books as special features for a DVD, where I would watch the movie first and then check out the behind the scenes later. The only exception to the rule on this is if there was story information that was absolutely necessary for catching up with the overall story. Example: I believe the War of Kings Saga book should be included in the reading order of it's story. There is so much happening at the beginning of War of Kings, you need a refresher, just to know what in the Heck is going on. However, I don't believe that is the case for any of the Secret Invasion Supplementary books, though. However, when all is said and done, it all comes down to your personal taste or preference in the end of course; That is why we have so many great reading orders.

BTW did you happen to read them in that order and if so, does it enhance the whole SI reading experience?

Yes, and I believe my Recommended Reading Order does enhance the reader experience. For one, I personally enjoy my reading order because I don't have to freeze cliffhanger moments at the end of an issue, and come back to it a couple of issues later. I try not to interrupt the flow of time within the thread of a particular book or story. In other words, if there are issues where there are no time gaps in between them, I try to keep them together; that way I am not interrupting a particular story line that is trying to be told.

I was kind of thinking in terms of how one would read the event if they were to put out some sort of omnibus similar to Secret Wars II but chronological usually works best for me as well.

I am not familiar with the reading order for Secret Wars 2 Omnibus, unfortunately. However, what I can say is that my reading order does keep things on a chronological time line for the most part. Picture a bunch of small wooden blocks placed on down a long string. Now, imagine the story arcs are the blocks, and the string is the chronological time line. The wooden blocks may overlap each other from time to time, but generally they are all still placed on down the string in a sequential or chronological fashion. Here is another way of looking at it; Think of the story arcs or blocks as one complete song. I don't pause in the middle of that song, play another song and then come back to that song. I listen to one complete song, and then move on down the track to the next one uninterrupted. That is what my reading order is kind of like.

Now is this the best reading order ever? By all means, no. The best reading order is only in the eye of the beholder of course. Everyone has their own personal preferences or tastes and I wouldn't force you or anyone to eat or drink something that wouldn't taste right. However, if my reading order sounds like it could be your cup of tea, I definitely would be happy to hear that of course.

Anyways, good luck with choosing your reading order. I hope you find one that is best suited for you.

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Will.S

06-12-2009, 02:07 PM

Thanks for the information on the reading order Graphic Man.

You sir, deserve a medal.

Graphic Man

06-12-2009, 05:54 PM

Will:

Thank you a bunch kind sir.
A winning medal sounds good. Especially if it is a medal that I can melt down and sell for some cold hard cash.

:wink:

:biggrin:

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Graphic Man

06-12-2009, 06:18 PM

Will:

You are probably aware of this, but just in case you might have missed it, I also created two different reading orders for Civil War, as well.

You can check my Civil War Trade Paper Back Version...
here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8323333&postcount=603) and here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8323338&postcount=604).

And my Complete Civil War List...
here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8323347&postcount=605).

Also, if you caught only the Civil War books and missed the Initiative issues, I had created a reading order for just the Initiative issues only, as well.

You can get a look at my Initiative (Only) Trade Paperback Version...
here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8327024&postcount=607).

And my Complete Initiative (Only) List...
here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8327028&postcount=608).

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Graphic Man

06-15-2009, 08:53 PM

New Invasion Lists Update:

I was re-reading Secret Invasion, and I caught a detail or an early plot reveal I didn't catch before in Mighty Avengers #17. So I decided to move Mighty Avengers #17. (See new Update on next page).

I also added Mighty Avengers #8 to the list seeing it completes a story arc between the two different avengers teams, too. I placed Mighty Avengers #8 right after Mighty Avengers #7.

Thank you again.

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The Confessor

06-16-2009, 01:53 PM

I was re-reading Secret Invasion, and I caught a detail or an early plot reveal I didn't catch before in Mighty Avengers #17. So I decided to move Mighty Avengers #17 right after Inhumans #2 on all three of my lists. Sorry if this causes any inconvenience folks. But I believed the issue being moved was necessary.

Wanna give a bit more info about this continuity glitch? Is it something that I need to be taking into consideration with my reading order?

Graphic Man

06-16-2009, 11:41 PM

Wanna give a bit more info about this continuity glitch? Is it something that I need to be taking into consideration with my reading order?

Confessor:

From a strictly chronological standpoint, no. My list uses the Spider-Woman flashback issue New Avengers #40 as a surprising reveal. So Mighty Avengers #17 sort of lets the cat out of the bag early when the Skrull Pym hints at the Skrull Queen being Jessica (Spider-Woman). So I decided to delete New Avengers #42, and #45 because they were really slow and unimpressive and replace them with Mighty Avengers #17. (See new update following this post)

Anyways, to get to the heart of the matter, I believe the Spider-Woman reveal (New Avengers #40) to be one of those instances where the flashback really serves as a truly shocking reveal for a first time reader.

Furthermore, I think the Elektra and Hank Pym's flashbacks work better in chronological order because there wasn't any issues that made us trust them or side with their characters really. Plus, these stories sets up the Infiltration part of our story nicely, too.

And last but not least, I added Mighty Avengers #8 right after #7 because it completes the story arc that was built up from that big long line of New Avengers issues. We have the renegade Avengers and Iron Man's Avengers meeting up to battle the venom like symbiots. Furthermore, Iron Man briefly mentions the Invasion (to himself) in this issue, too. Plus, not finishing the cliffhanger at the end of Mighty Avengers #7 feels kind of awkward, as well.

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Graphic Man

06-17-2009, 12:43 AM

New Invasion Lists Update 2:

In my Recommended Reading Order List and my Trade Paper Back List I decided to remove New Avengers #42 and New Avengers #45 and replace them with Mighty Avengers #17. The reason for this was that NA #42 and #45 were both a bit unimportant and slow to me in the overall arc of the story on my second reading. Also, Might Avengers #17 needed a new home, seeing it would have given away the secret of Spider-Women's real identity before the actual reveal in New Avengers #40.

Furthermore, I deleted Secret Invasion Saga #1 from my Recommended Reading Order, but not from my Trade Paper Back Reading List. For me, I don't need that information again. I know what is happening. I know the Skrull history. I don't need a recap. However, for new readers, this issue could prove to be interesting or informative to them, so I left it in the Trade Paper Back List.

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Graphic Man

06-18-2009, 07:13 PM

New Invasion Lists Update 3:

Well, I discovered another thing on my second reading that I need to change. In fact, when I first read my list, I must have missed it or it didn't bother me. However, I noticed that Initiative #14 should actually be right before Initiative #15 because there is no time gap in between these issues. However, seeing Initiative #14 clearly happens before the Invasion starts, I still have to adhere to the chronological time line. So I have decided to place Initiative #14 right before the "Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust" issue. This brings the issue closer to right when the Invasion is going to start in "Secret Invasion #1".

Thanks again for your ongoing patience, folks.

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Graphic Man

06-22-2009, 03:43 PM

New Invasion Lists Update 4:

I moved Initiative #14 yet again. Found an even better place for it.
So I edited my above post and updated my 3 lists again. Please check out my new explanation (at top) if your interested.

I also made a Second Note on my Recommended Reading Order about my Deleted Issues, too.
Thank you again folks.

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Graphic Man

06-23-2009, 02:21 PM

New Invasion Lists Update 5:

I moved Initiative #16-18 right after Secret Invasion #3. The reason for this move is that Initiative #16 appears to carry on the Nick Fury's story line that had transpired in Secret Invasion #3. However, in Initiative #16: we see the War Machine story line that happens right when Secret Invasion #1 transpires. So the only explanation for the War Machine Story line (In Initiative #16) is that it is an unofficial recap or a flashback.

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Graphic Man

06-23-2009, 08:59 PM

New Invasion Lists Update 6:

I made some massive changes this time.

I moved...

1. Initiative #15 (after Young Avengers #1-3)
2. New Avengers #41-43 (after Initiative #15)
3. Amazing Spider-Man #1-3 (after New Avengers #41-43)
4. New Warriors #14-15 (after Amazing #1-3)
5. Mighty Avengers #18 (after New Warriors #14-15)
6. Nova #16-18 (after Mighty Avengers #18)
7. She-Hulk #32-33 (after Nova #16-18)
8. Mighty Avengers #14 (after Ms. Marvel #28-30)
9. Thor #1-3 (right before Incredible Hercules #117)

The reason for this radical change is that I noticed that these books followed Secret Invasion #1-8 a lot closer than I originally thought. So once more, I updated all 3 of my lists again.

Just copy and paste the updated list (of your choice) on the previous page and you should hopefully be good to go.

or you can get to my lists (to copy) by just clicking on the links below...

Complete List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9081231&postcount=361

Trade Paper Back List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9081382&postcount=362

Recommended List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9082117&postcount=363

It really does take a second reading to make things clearer, thats for sure.
In fact, I have went over my issues from beginning to end, and I am a lot more confident on each individual issue's placement now.

Anyways, thanks again for your understanding and patience.

Side Note:

Oh, and also, to let you know: I deleted Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23) from my Trade Paper Back and my Recommended Reading Orders. As for my Complete Reading Order: I moved these three ending pages right after the Hank Pym (Requiem) story line at the end. The reason I did this was due to the fact that these pages reveal (or spoil) the final outcome of Secret Invasion. In other words, if you do decide to read these pages before Secret Invasion #8, you are essentially skipping ahead to the end of the book and ruining it for yourself (despite the fact that you may know how it was going to end).

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Graphic Man

06-25-2009, 10:23 AM

New Invasion Lists Update 7:

Okay, folks. I made even more massive changes this time. Geez, I must have been half a sleep or drunk the first time I read this series.

:wink:

Anyways, here is my second wave of big changes....

1. Thunderbolts #123, Might #19, and Thunderbolts #124-125 (moved after Invasion #5)
2. Secret Invasion #4 (moved right after Invasion #3)
3. Mrs Marvel #28-30 (moved after Invasion #4)
4. Mighty Avengers #18 (Removed from Tradpaperback and Recommended Reading Lists)

All three lists of course have been updated again.
Just copy and paste the updated list (of your choice) on the previous page and you should hopefully be good to go.

or you can get to my lists (to copy) by just clicking on the links below...

Complete List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9081231&postcount=361

Trade Paper Back List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9081382&postcount=362

Recommended List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9082117&postcount=363

Thanks again folks.

Note:

Oh, and just to let you folks know: when I am done reading this series in it's entirety for the second time (sober), I will give you the green light that it is totally safe that there should not be any more changes, too.

Thank you.

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Graphic Man

06-29-2009, 02:09 PM

Final New Invasion Lists Update:

Okay my friends this is it. I finally completed reading Secret Invasion for the second time. And I have made a few small changes to wrap everything up.

I moved...

1. Mighty Avengers #14 (after She Hulk #33) (Removed From Recommended Reading Order)
2. Initiative Avengers #18 (after Secret Invasion #5)
3. Thunderbolts 126-127 (after New Avengers #47 in my Complete and Trade Paper Back Lists)
4. Mighty Avengers #20 (after Frontline #5)
5. Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (after Dark Avengers #1)
6. Dark Reign #1 (after Dark Reign: New Nation #1)
7. .Secret Invasion Requiem #1 (after Dark Reign #1 in my Complete and Trade Paper Back Lists)
8. Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23) (after Mighty Avengers #20 and Requiem #1 in my Complete and Trade Paper Back Lists)

1. I also removed Guardians of the Galaxy #8 from my Recommended Reading Order. (For an explanation on this, please see the bottom of my Recommended Reading Order).
2. And added pages 1-3 of War of Kings Ascension #1 at the very end, too.
3. On top of that, I also added New Avengers #48-49 to my Recommended Reading Order, as well.

Here are my lists again, in case your interested....

Complete List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9081231&postcount=361

Trade Paper Back List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9081382&postcount=362

Recommended List:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9082117&postcount=363

Thanks again everyone. And I hope you enjoy my Final Reading Orders for Secret Invasion.

Note 1:

I also changed the name of my Personal Reading Order to the Recommended Reading Order, too.

Note 2:

Furthermore, In my Complete List: I moved Deadpool back to it's original position after Thunderbolts 123-a (Pages 1-3). Thank you.

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Will.S

07-15-2009, 06:55 PM

2. Mighty Avengers #18 (Is a continuity goof. In this issue: Maria Hill (Director of Shield) is captured and released by Nick Fury when the Skrulls implement their Invasion on Earth. However, In Secret Invasion #3: We see that Maria Hill is on a Shield Helicarrier in the Bermuda Triangle. She can't be in two places at once unless one of the Marias was a robot or a Skrull or something. Therefore, seeing this fact was never explained, it is clearly a mistake from the writers).
In making my own reading order I had to browse through this thread to make sure that I'm was more or less on the right track but I had to single out this part Graphic Man.

Mighty Avengers #18 (Secret Warriors issue before they enter the fray in Secret Invasion #3) actually doesn't have a continuity goof. The Maria Hill that's captured by Fury and the Secret Warriors is indeed a LMD, notice that Fury points out the bar code on the back of her neck.

Personally I would place the issue in between Secret Invasion #2 and #3 without having to include Mighty Avengers #13 since that can be included in the "The Infiltrations" stuff. I'll tell ya, I'm having a hell of a hard time piecing everything together story wise and chronologically. The time lines that weave in and out are extremely complex and make it harder to put each issue in a chronological context given that you have to determine whether its post-Disassembled, early New Avengers era, House of M, Civil War, post CW, WWH, etc.

The Confessor

07-16-2009, 06:08 AM

Mighty Avengers #18 (Secret Warriors issue before they enter the fray in Secret Invasion #3) actually doesn't have a continuity goof. The Maria Hill that's captured by Fury and the Secret Warriors is indeed a LMD, notice that Fury points out the bar code on the back of her neck.

This is correct. There's no problem with Mighty Avengers #18 where it sits in my reading order, as far as I'm aware.

I'll tell ya, I'm having a hell of a hard time piecing everything together story wise and chronologically. The time lines that weave in and out are extremely complex and make it harder to put each issue in a chronological context given that you have to determine whether its post-Disassembled, early New Avengers era, House of M, Civil War, post CW, WWH, etc.

Without wanting to blow my own trumpet here, you might find my strictly chronological reading order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8381418&postcount=351) useful for this. I've put a lot of time and effort into making sure that those "flashback" issues are in the right order. Of course, I've only been concerned with the issues that are directly related to SI, I haven't tried to weave these flashback isues into the larger Marvel Universe (i.e. alongside the issues of Avengers Disassembled) but nonethelesss, since my reading order is strictly chronological, it might give you some useful pointers about placements.

I'm pretty certain that the order I have them in is correct. Because, you know, I'm obsessed.:redface:

Will.S

07-16-2009, 12:23 PM

Without wanting to blow my own trumpet here, you might find my strictly chronological reading order (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8381418&postcount=351) useful for this. I've put a lot of time and effort into making sure that those "flashback" issues are in the right order. Of course, I've only been concerned with the issues that are directly related to SI, I haven't tried to weave these flashback isues into the larger Marvel Universe (i.e. alongside the issues of Avengers Disassembled) but nonethelesss, since my reading order is strictly chronological, it might give you some useful pointers about placements.

I'm pretty certain that the order I have them in is correct. Because, you know, I'm obsessed.:redface:Yeah I actually did see it, and if for some reason I get frustrated I'll just follow your time line there but I want to just try my hand at it first.

It's sorta like solving this long intricate puzzle that keeping nagging at my brain, not too unlike solving a continuity rubix cube. I also wan to see what differences mine will have compared to yours to see if maybe certain things are more debatable than others. I just recently started to do this with Secret Invasion so its just going to take me a bit longer to try to sort everything pre-Invasion.

BTW Tom Breevort apparently constructed a reading timeline:

KREE/SKRULL WAR – AVENGERS #89-97

Illuminati go after Skrulls, Skrulls get Illuminati DNA –ILLUMINATI #1
Veranke sent to barren wasteland – NEW #40
Skrulls begin cloning experiments – NEW #40
Skrulls clone Reed Richards, killed by King Dorrek – NEW #40
Sentry has first Skrull encounter – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls fail with clones of Illuminati – NEW #44
Skrulls get secret of working undetected from clone Reed – NEW #44

GALACTUS EATS SKRULL THRONEWORLD - FF #257

Skrulls come to Veranke – NEW #40
Veranke becomes queen – NEW #40

AVENGERS AND FF BATTLE SKRULLS - AVENGERS ANNUAL #14

Elektra ambushed by Skrulls – MIGHTY #16
Elektra replaced by Skrull – NEW #40 (recounted)

WOLVERINE – ENEMY OF THE STATE – WOLVERINE #20-32

Veranke presented with new model Super-Skrull – NEW #40
Veranke presented with Skrull Elektra – NEW #40
Veranke decides to impersonate Jessica Drew – NEW #40
Nick Fury recruits Jessica Drew as double-agent – NEW #15/NEW #42
HYDRA gives Spider-Woman back her powers – NEW #15
Skrulls replace Jessica Drew with Veranke – NEW #42
Skrulls create Skrull Captain America, put him in pod – NEW #43
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman) Veranke gives Elektra her mission – MIGHTY #16

SECRET WAR

Nick tells Jessica Drew that he’s going underground – NEW #14
Nick Fury goes underground – MIGHTY #12
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Spider-Woman, Elektra, Jarvis, Contessa) discuss Vibranium – NEW #42
Contessa says she’s been in place for two days – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica Drew gets posted to the Raft – NEW #42

AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED – AVENGERS #500-503

Elektra Skrull takes over Hand, mentions Avengers are no more – MIGHTY #16
Nick Fury found by Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury kills Contessa Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury becomes aware of Skrull conspiracy – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury warns Maria Hill on Helicarrier – MIGHTY #12
Nick Fury tells Spider-Woman about the Skrulls, not realizing she’s a Skrull – MIGHTY #12
Real Hank lectures at U of Oxford – MIGHTY #15
Real Hank and Jan separate – MIGHTY #15
Skrull Elektra hires Electro for Raft breakout – MIGHTY #16

RAFT BREAKOUT – NEW AVENGERS #1-3

Real Hank and Skrull “Gwen” canoodle, see news of press conference – MIGHTY #15
Hank replaced by Skrull “Gwen” – MIGHTY #15

NEW AVENGERS FORM – NEW AVENGERS #3-4

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank discuss the Raft breakout and her joining New Avengers– NEW #42
Ka-Zar and Shanna discover Skrulls among SHIELD in Savage Land, including Contessa – NEW #41 – (This would be the 2nd Contessa Skrull)

NEW AVENGERS IN SAVAGE LAND - NEW AVENGERS #4-6

Skrull Jessica finds out about Wanda’s whereabouts – NEW #42
Skrull Jessica meets with Maria Hill, gets call from Hank to meet at Tower for House of M mission – NEW #42

HOUSE OF M – HOUSE OF M #1-7

Skrull Jessica and Skrull Hank in House of M – NEW #45
Veranke tries to assassinate Wanda in HOM, uncreated by her – NEW #45

M-DAY – HOUSE OF M #8

Veranke recreated along with the regular Marvel U – NEW #45
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Jarvis, Spider-Woman, Elektra, Hank?, Contessa) speak about M-Day and Annihilation Wave – NEW #45

NEW AVENGERS PRESS CONFERENCE – NEW AVENGERS #15

Skrull Jarvis asks for access to Avengers Tower files – MIGHTY #14
Skrulls meet at safehouse (Elektra, Spider-Woman, Jarvis, Contessa) – MIGHTY #14

SKRULL EMPIRE DECIMATED – ANNIHILATION #1-6

CIVIL WAR – CIVIL WAR #1-7

Captain Mar-Vell Skrull escapes, thinks he’s the real Mar-Vell – CIVIL WAR THE RETURN/CAPTAIN MARVEL #1-5

CAPTAIN AMERICA ASSASINATED – CAPTAIN AMERICA #25

Dum Dum Dugan ambushed by Contessa Skrull, replaced by Skrull – SECRET INVASION TEASER
Nick Fury recruits Daisy Johnson – MIGHTY #13
Hank Pym and Dum Dum Dugan meet in Oregon, Hank killed after rebelling – MIGHTY #17
Daisy Johnson takes photos for Fury – MIGHTY #17
New Skrull replaces Hank Skrull – MIGHTY #17

MIGHTY AVENGERS FORMED, BATTLE ULTRON – MIGHTY AVENGERS #1-6

Skrulls meet at safehouse ( Spider-Woman, Hank, Contessa, Jarvis) and work out how to disable Stark Tech – MIGHTY #15
Daisy recruits Ares’ son Phobos – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Yo Yo – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Hellfire – MIGHTY #13
Daisy attempts to recruit Layla Miller, fails – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Druid – MIGHTY #13
Daisy recruits Stonewall – MIGHTY #13

ELEKTRA DISCOVERED AS A SKRULL – NEW AVENGERS #31

SPIDER-WOMAN STEALS ELEKTRA CORPSE – NEW AVENGERS #32

HANK GIVES JAN GROWTH SERUM – MIGHTY AVENGERS #8 (Flashback)

Skrull Hank gives Jan tainted growth formula – MIGHTY #15

SPIDER-WOMAN TAKES CORPSE TO IRON MAN – MIGHTY AVENGERS #7

WORLD WAR HULK

IRON MAN TAKES CORPSE TO ILLUMINATI, BLACK BOLT SKRULL REVEALED – NA ILLUMINATI #5

Nick Fury has the Secret Warriors abduct Maria Hill as a training exercise – MIGHTY #18
The Hood and his crew learn about the Skrull infiltration – NEW #46
Cap Skrull and other 70s Hero Skrulls aboard Pod come to life, escape in pod – NEW #43

SECRET INVASION

The Confessor

07-16-2009, 05:38 PM

Yeah I actually did see it, and if for some reason I get frustrated I'll just follow your time line there but I want to just try my hand at it first.

It's sorta like solving this long intricate puzzle that keeping nagging at my brain, not too unlike solving a continuity rubix cube.

Yeah, tell me about it. :rolleyes: There was certainly lots of intense examination of minutiae in concocting and working out my Reading Order, as you'll see if you can be bothered to look back through this thread. It really does help if you're unhealthily obsessed by this kind of thing. The fact that you say, it "keeps nagging at your brain" leads to believe that you're certainly well on your way to being unhealthily obsessed. :biggrin:

I also wan to see what differences mine will have compared to yours.

Yeah, that will be interesting. I used to love bouncing ideas around regarding this reading order with Gyroscope352. It's certainly useful to confer with others in order to work out an accurate reading order.

Will.S

07-19-2009, 02:59 PM

Yeah, that will be interesting. I used to love bouncing ideas around regarding this reading order with Gyroscope352. It's certainly useful to confer with others in order to work out an accurate reading order.
Alright after all the sweat and tears in coming up with an Infiltration reading order, here is my official reading order for the Infiltration via photoshop.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5800/secretinvasioninfiltrat.jpg

First note: These books are Avengers related only and should be read after Avengers the Initiative, Mighty Avengers, and New Avengers finish up their pre-Invasion runs. That way you first get the actual stories and then the actual infiltrations within them.

Second note: These are what books I saw as strictly necessary to the build up to the Invasion and includes pretty much all of the important infiltrations with Veranke, Criti Noll, Elektra, Jarvis, and Dum Dum Dugan among others. They're also in chronological order (or as chronological as they can be).

I did not include Mighty Avengers #14 because that particular issue was a little too all over the place in flashback content and spoiled future Secret Invasion information. Instead I've placed it in the actual mini series Secret Invasion reading order (basically before Secret Invasion #3).

I'll have to make another one for the Secret Invasion itself mini series itself but what do you guys think of it so far? Questions on order or anything and why?

The Confessor

07-19-2009, 07:15 PM

I'll have to make another one for the Secret Invasion itself mini series itself but what do you guys think of it so far? Questions on order or anything and why?

It looks kind of similar to mine, except that Mighty Avengers #16 and New Avengers #40 are inverted. I'll have to take a look later and see if I think there's any conflict with inverting these two comics.

When you say that your ordering is "Avengers related", is that why the Captain Marvel mini-series, the Skrulls one-shot, Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 and the Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) aren't included?

I also notice that you've not included New Avengers #27 - #31 (the storyline in which Elektra is revealed as a Skrull) or New Avengers #32 - #34, but I'm guessing that's what you were referring to when you said "that way you first get the actual stories and then the actual infiltrations within them."

By far the biggest discrepancy I can see with my own reading order though, is that the placing of Mighty Avengers #12 and #14 are waaaay different to mine and again, I'll have to double check those.

So, I need to check the inversion of MA #16/NA #40 and your placings of MA #12 & #14 but other than that, yep, it looks pretty good to me.

Just one thing though, could I possibly ask you to do a written list of the issues that you've ordered, as well as post a picture of them? It just makes checking them against my own reading order much easier. That Photoshop image is very cool and far in advance of anything I could do but I can't see what the issue numbers are and that makes it hard work to cross-reference with my own reading order.

Will.S

07-19-2009, 09:13 PM

It looks kind of similar to mine, except that Mighty Avengers #16 and New Avengers #40 are inverted. I'll have to take a look later and see if I think there's any conflict with inverting these two comics.
Yeah, here's why I put it in that order.

The way you placed them is fine since we see the flashback of Elektra being abducted post Enemy of the State before the Elektra skrull talks about her infiltration seen in New Avengers #40. But the reason I put Mighty #16 after New Avengers #40 was because I thought that it was still pretty safe to see how the Elektra skrull abducted the real Elektra even after she was first introduced to Veranke and described her infiltration on Satriani in New Avengers #40.

Chronologically MA #16 takes place post Disassembled so it syncs up nicely with #40's continuity. We also see Veranke having landed on earth and see the Elektra skrull pleased to see her come to earth to take part in the mission. This is definitely after #40's meeting between them on Satriani .

When you say that your ordering is "Avengers related", is that why the Captain Marvel mini-series, the Skrulls one-shot, Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 and the Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot) aren't included?Yeah pretty much.

I think what Brian Bendis and the Avengers crew wanted to do was to make the infiltrations as self contained into the Avengers books as possible. In the case of the Captain Marvel mini series it can easily be read alongside the New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, and Initiative books that go through their own stories pre-Invasion since we don't see him come into the picture until the Secret Invasion: Who do you trust? one shot which lead into the main mini series. I don't personally own the "Skrulls!" one shot but I do have the prologue attached to my Secret Invasion #1 Director's cut copy so I kind of have to read it with the main mini, but it does show Dugan's replacement quite nicely and to the point.

I also notice that you've not included New Avengers #27 - #31 (the storyline in which Elektra is revealed as a Skrull) or New Avengers #32 - #34, but I'm guessing that's what you were referring to when you said "that way you first get the actual stories and then the actual infiltrations within them."Right.

I think its better for the reader to get the intended "who is a skrull?" paranoia that goes on throughout those books with the characters going through the same motions. Then after we see these things it's easier to place the infiltrations in context of where they would make the most sense.

By far the biggest discrepancy I can see with my own reading order though, is that the placing of Mighty Avengers #12 and #14 are waaaay different to mine and again, I'll have to double check those.

So, I need to check the inversion of MA #16/NA #40 and your placings of MA #12 & #14 but other than that, yep, it looks pretty good to me.I couldn't really find a place to fit MA #14 in the infiltrations time line mostly because it's kind of all over the place and it reveals the whole Savage Land scenario of the invasion. It works best after Secret Invasion #2 because we actually see the fate of the Sentry. That being said, MA #14 will definitely slow down the reading pace of the entire SI mini series until it hits that Savage Land portion.

As far as my reasoning goes to put Mighty Avengers #12 there, I'll get to it in my next post.

Will.S

07-19-2009, 10:33 PM

Just one thing though, could I possibly ask you to do a written list of the issues that you've ordered, as well as post a picture of them? It just makes checking them against my own reading order much easier. That Photoshop image is very cool and far in advance of anything I could do but I can't see what the issue numbers are and that makes it hard work to cross-reference with my own reading order.Thanks!

Here's the written reading order:

1) New Avengers Illuminati #1 - Kree-Skrull War era, what started it all

2) New Avengers #44 - Directly follow's up King Dorrek's order from end of Illuminati #1 to find a way to infiltrate them.

3) New Avengers #40 - Also a direct follow up to Dorrek's order but from Queen Veranke's POV. We also see the introduction of the scientist Fry'Lu who is also seen in #44 but ultimately survives the Galactus attack. Latter half with full Queen garb Veranke takes place somewhere post Disassembled. Emperor Dorrek has died so Fry'Lu aids Veranke in the infiltration.

4) Mighty Avengers #16 - Flashback is post Enemy of the State, Elektra gets replaced by the Elektra skrull. Weeks later post Disassembled and Queen Veranke has landed on earth to greet the Elektra skrull to put her on her suicide mission.

The meeting between the Elektra Skrull and Queen Veranke is chronologically before Veranke changes into Jessica Drew but thats okay because the upcoming Mighty Avengers #12, New Avengers #42, and New Avengers #45 bounces around continuity after she's changed into Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman.

Can be interchangeable with #40 depending on what you want to read first.

5) Mighty Avengers #12 - Flashback takes place during the Secret War which is no biggie since that's still post Disassembled. Latter half of book has Nick Fury and Spider-Woman (Veranke at this point) talking after the Breakout but before Veranke went to the Savage Land which was before New Avengers #3 but after Cap recounts what happened at the Raft in the beginning of that very same issue.

Chronologically a future scene, I know. But as I've said before, New Avengers #42 and #45 bounce around with little to no allowances to insert issues in between since we go from Veranke's transformation, to the talk with the already embedded Hank Pym (female skrull from Mighty #15 soon to be removed in #17), to the House of M.

6) New Avengers #42 - Opening Flashback from post Disassembled past which has Veranke's transformation into Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew. The massive plan is laid out, skips ahead to the New Avengers continuity of Breakout, into her secret conversation with Viper, and into her conversation with the female Hank Pym skrull, and finally starts the House of M continuity.

7) New Avengers #45 - Continues the House of M continuity. Takes place during House of M and pre-Civil War during the early days of the Annihilation Wave which roughly runs up to and throughout the course of the Civil War.

8) Mighty Avengers #13 - Post Civil War, Ares is a Mighty Avenger (as he says to Alexander) and Nick Fury starts recruiting other caterpillars. This is followed up in Mighty Avengers #18 which is not included because of it literally takes place 2 days prior to the events of Secret Invasion #3 and reads better with the main mini than during the infiltration phase.

9) Mighty Avengers #15 - Flashback is after New Avengers #3 given the speculation of the events that transpired in NA #1, 2, and in parts of #3. Hank Pym is replaced by female skrull and the book then flashes forward twice into post Civil War Mighty Avengers continuity. Once at the early stages of the Ultron battle and again in the post Ultron, post WWH continuity which is the Bagley arc before they fight symbiotes and Doom.

10) Mighty Avengers #17 - Takes place post Civil War during the course of WWH (notice the tv in the background constantly showing Hulk in his WWH outfit and reports of NY under attack). While this is in fact earlier than the previously slotted New Avengers #15, it does reveal that the female skrull was replaced by another, perhaps male skrull, in personality and in role as he/she took the name of Criti Noll AND Hank Pym.

The newly replaced Hank Pym skrull is the one that you see in the post Ultron/Word War Hulk Bagley arc approaching Wasp in her designer table and giving her the "growth formula". The female Hank Pym skrull that died was the one who helped out during the Ultron arc, this was also done to somewhat reconcile the error in New Avengers #42 timeline by having Hank Pym become replaced on a more frequent basis.

11) New Avengers Illuminati #5 - Post Civil War and post Ultron arc/skrull Elektra reveal, Tony brings the body of the Elektra skrull to the Illuminati and they are attacked by the new Super Skrulls.

12) Avengers The Initiative Annual #1 - First showing of the 50 State Initiative being infiltrated by skrulls. Roughly around the same time as the Illuminati #5 issue.

13) New Avengers #38 - Post Hood battle from New Avengers Annual #2. Spider-Woman (Veranke) has already defected to the Mighty Avengers, the New Avengers get a new loft, and Black Widow suspects Veranke as Spider-Woman even further after her power display in the Symbiote/Doom arc.

14) New Avengers #39 - Directly after #38, a Super Skrull unsuccessfully tries to abduct and replace Echo. Clint references bandaging Echo's arm which was in the start of the Avengers Annual #2 before being attacked in retaliation by the Hood's group. This is the last we see of the New Avengers as they are before Secret Invasion #1.

15) New Avengers #46 - Takes place post Avengers Annual #2 with the Hood breaking out his captured fellow super villains. Hood finds out about the skrulls infiltration of SHIELD after breaking Madame Masque out. Hood also finds out that his group has been infiltrated after killing the skrull Slug, he burns down the HQ and temporarily disbands the group before seen again in Secret Invasion #4.

16) Avengers The Initative #14 - Criti Noll starts out recounting his infiltration which refers back to the Avengers Initiative Annual #1. Slowly we see other infiltrations start to go into effect in Hawaii and Camp Hammond with the final reveal of 3D Man seeing everyone in skrullo-vision. Takes place right before Secret Invasion #1 and continues with the next issue during and after Secret Invasion #1 and #2's events transpire.

Graphic Man

10-16-2009, 07:28 PM

In making my own reading order I had to browse through this thread to make sure that I'm was more or less on the right track but I had to single out this part Graphic Man.

Mighty Avengers #18 (Secret Warriors issue before they enter the fray in Secret Invasion #3) actually doesn't have a continuity goof. The Maria Hill that's captured by Fury and the Secret Warriors is indeed a LMD, notice that Fury points out the bar code on the back of her neck.

Will:

I wanted to thank you and Confessor for pointing out the bar code on the back of her neck in relation to Maria Hill being a robot. Must have been half a sleep when re-reading that issue again.

Well, anyways, I adjusted my reading orders accordingly again.

Thanks.

Oh, and sorry for not getting back to you until now. Been busy.

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Graphic Man

10-16-2009, 08:11 PM

Final New Invasion Lists Update:

1. I put back Might Avengers #18 back into my Trade Paper Back and Recommended Reading Orders. I placed the issue after New Warriors #15 because it feels like the end of a story arc to me.

2. I moved She Hulk #32 and #33 after Avengers Initiative #17, as well.
I started looking at the issue again and it definitely suggests a little more time has past. She Hulk also feels like the end of an overall arc to me as well. It ties up the Skrull character from Nova and it raises questions on the status of the heroes fighting in downtown New York.

3. I made sure that the Punisher War Journal issues were following after the She Hulk books, too.

4. I also decided to move Mighty #19 to a spot where it wouldn't interrupt Thunderbolts #122 and #123. I moved Might Avengers #19 in between Thunderbolts #124 and #125. There appears to be a very small span of time happening in between these issues. So it seems like a really good spot for it.

Anyways here are my lists again (all updated)....

Recommended Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873173&postcount=397)

Trade Paper Back List Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873296&postcount=398)

Complete List Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873336&postcount=399)

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Graphic Man

10-17-2009, 10:26 AM

Explanations on Secret Invasion:

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” ~Sr. Arthur Conan Doyle.

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1. Q: In Secret Invasion there appears to be a couple of issues that happen at night during the Invasion; however, there seems to no room for a night time story line during the Invasion because the Thunderbolts story line or arc started from Secret Invasion #1 and continues without interruption during the day till the final battle in Secret Invasion's #6-8. How can this night time story line transpire if there is no gap in time in the daytime story for it to be told?

1. A: Well, if both are to be true without flaw, then the only logical explanation is that the Thunderbolts arc (Secret Invasion #1-8 along with it's tie in issues) takes place sometime a day ahead of the events of the actual Invasion. In other words all of the other Invasion story lines could have very well taken place a day prior to the events in which we see the Thunderbolts story unfold before us.

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2. Q: Even if all of the events of the Thunderbolts took place on second day of the Invasion, Deadpool issues #1-3 suggest that more than two days have past. How can this true if Secret Invasion has strongly implied to us that it has lasted only a day or two?

2. A: In Deadpool #1-3 we see cartoon realities appearing in the mind of Deadpool. The story is also told from Deadpool's perspective; in fact, he even states in issue #1 that he "tends to view the world differently than other people". If this is true, the only explanation is that his perception or recollection of the events narrated to us by him (Deadpool) is not entirely accurate. Deadpool simply either exaggerated or forgotten the actual passage of time when retelling (or narrating) his story to us in Deadpool #1-3.

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3. Q: In Secret Invasion: Home #1: Kinsey Walden finds out that her brother Hank is a Skrull. How can this be true if the Hank Skrull is busy elsewhere during the invasion? Also, how come she wasn't notified that there was an alien attack if it's night time already?

3.: A: To answer the first question, it is obvious that this was another Skrull impersonating as another version of Hank. As for the second question, it is very likely that the government would want to hide or control information of such an Invasion so as to not to cause an all out panic or rioting nationwide.

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4. Q: In Secret Invasion we see two separate occurrences where Norman Osborn should be wearing his green battle armor instead of his business suit. How or why would Norman flip from one outfit to the other so quickly in each of these scenes?

4. A: Well, the easiest explanation for his outfit change in Secret Invasion #6 (from Thunderbolts #125) is that Norman took off the armor during battle because it was either damaged or he wanted to put on a professional business like appearance to the media. As for his business like appearance in Deadpool, seeing the Thunderbolts story arc happens on the second day of the Invasion as mentioned above. There would have been plenty of time for Norman to secretly gather information and scheme during the first day of the Invasion.

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The Confessor

10-17-2009, 02:12 PM

1. Q: In Secret Invasion there appears to be a couple of issues that happen at night during the Invasion; however, there seems to no room for a night time story line during the Invasion because the Thunderbolts story line or arc started from Secret Invasion #1 and continues without interruption during the day till the final battle in Secret Invasion's #6-8. How can this night time story line transpire if there is no gap in time in the daytime story for it to be told?

No, Secret Invasion clearly lasts a day and a half from the ship crashing in the Savage Land to the big fight in Central Park. This is borne out by a number of the books but is most explicitly stated in Secret Invasion: Front Line.

1. A: Well, if both are to be true without flaw, then the only logical explanation is that the Thunderbolts arc (Secret Invasion #1-8 along with it's tie in issues) takes place sometime a day ahead of the events of the actual Invasion.

I don't think that can be right. There are a number of scenes in the Thunderbolts issues that are also shown in the main Secret Invasion mini-series itself. I would suggest that if you're having problems with the Thunderbolts issue its because you're assuming that no time has passed between issues or perhaps between panels within a single issue. I’ve not noticed any particular disparity between the events in Thunderbolts and the main SI series.

2. Q: Even if all of the events of the Thunderbolts took place on second day of the Invasion, Deadpool issues #1-3 suggest that more than two days have past. How can this true if Secret Invasion has strongly implied to us that it has lasted only a day or two?

My memories a little rusty here but I believe that the Deadpool issues are a known problem. The amount of time that passes must be wrong and is obviously a bit of a writer’s goof. I'm pretty sure that I made some posts regarding this in this thread, some pages back.

2. A: In Deadpool #1-3 we see cartoon realities appearing in the mind of Deadpool. The story is also told from Deadpool's perspective; in fact, he even states in issue #1 that he "tends to view the world differently than other people". If this is true, the only explanation is that his perception or recollection of the events narrated to us by him (Deadpool) is not entirely accurate.

Yeah, that could work.

3. Q: In Secret Invasion: Home #1: Kinsey Walden finds out that her brother Hank is a Skrull. How can this be true if the Hank Skrull is busy elsewhere during the invasion? Also, how come she wasn't notified that there was an alien attack if it's night time already?

3.: A: To answer the first question, it is obvious that this was another Skrull impersonating as another version of Hank. As for the second question, it is very likely that the government would want to hide or control information of such an Invasion so as to not to cause an all out panic or rioting nationwide.

I didn't bother with the Home Invasion stuff but aren't her brother Hank and Hank Pym of the Avengers two totally separate characters? :confused: The Hank Skrull that we all know and love that appears in issues of Avengers and the SI mini-series is the Skrull that was impersonating Yellow-Jacket in order to infiltrated Camp Hammond. Kinsey Walden isn't affiliated with any Superheroes is she? She's just from a regular American family I thought. I’m pretty sure that her brother isn’t Hank Pym, surely?

Graphic Man

10-17-2009, 06:39 PM

No, Secret Invasion clearly lasts a day and a half from the ship crashing in the Savage Land to the big fight in Central Park. This is borne out by a number of the books but is most explicitly stated in Secret Invasion: Front Line.

Confessor:

Ah, thats what it was. Yeah, my mind must have rounded the number up since last I read the issue. Thanks for the info on that, my friend. A day and half it is then. Awesome.

I don't think that can be right. There are a number of scenes in the Thunderbolts issues that are also shown in the main Secret Invasion mini-series itself. I would suggest that if you're having problems with the Thunderbolts issue its because you're assuming that no time has passed between issues or perhaps between panels within a single issue. I’ve not noticed any particular disparity between the events in Thunderbolts and the main SI series.

Yeah, no time gaps is exactly the reason why I am having a problem with the entire Thunderbolts story line (final battle included) existing alongside the Punisher War Journal night time issues. Unless you have proof telling me otherwise: the simple fact of the matter is that there was no major time gaps. So if we were to follow the Thunderbolts arc in the SI books and the Thunderbolts issues to the letter like it suggests then everything happens during the day without any interruption. I know my personal theory is completely made up and is not suggested anywhere else in any other books, but my theory of the Thunderbolts arc still can work, even if it takes place on the the following half day (by approximation of counting only day light hours (please read further for explanation)).

Okay, let me recap the events of the Thunderbolts story line plot within Secret Invasion to help explain why there is no major time gaps. Within the SI Books and the Thunderbolts issues we had gotten the following events:

1. Captain Marvel visits the Thunderbolts and they eventually end up fighting with him.

2. Osborn talks with Captain Marvel and he leaves.

3. Osborn and the Thunderbolts immediately fly from Colorado to DC to fight the Skrull Invasion.

4. Osborn and the Thunderbolts quickly arrive in DC.

5. Osborn and the Thunderbolts fight the Skrulls in DC (while a reporter and her team captures the fight).

6. Osborn catches his breath at the Lincoln Memorial.

7. Osborn and the Thunderbolts succeed in saving DC from the Skrull Invasion (with the same reporter and her crew still there).

8. Osborn and the Thunderbolts quickly fly towards Manhattan for the final battle (the reporter and her team then televises their attempt to save Manhattan next).

9. Osborn quickly arrives in Manhattan to fight alongside the other heroes battling the Skrulls in the final battle for Earth.

All these events (with some of them being retold or repeated to us) take place during the day with no indication that there was any major time gaps for anything that would take a significant amount of time to happen (like a full cycle of night time to transpire).

Also, I know you might know the following already. But I am going to mention it anyways, just so that all of my bases are covered.

Another way to look at my Thunderbolts theory, is like this: Say you see a comic story line of me having coffee at Peter Parker's favorite hang out spot in New York working on business between 8:00AM and 1:00PM tomorrow. However, today in the present: you also see various different stories of my friends and family setting up plans for my surprise Birthday party. Eventually all these various different comic story lines (the present ones and the future one) converge to the point of me meeting up with my friends and family at 12:22PM tomorrow time when I eventually pull on into my garage and open the door to my home for the actual party.

This same story (of me and my birthday party) could be applied to the Thunderbolts in Secret Invasion. Granted you can't follow the literal day and a half interpretation with my theory. But you can follow it on how other folks judge a day (Which is by approximation of course). In other words, some people don't count the hours at night to be included in the normal operating hours of a day. For example, I might say that the job is going to take a day and a half. However, you don't count the hours at night when you are home and eventually getting ready to sleep. So by this account, Secret Invasion could last a day and a half. Meaning a full day of light with an additional half day of sunshine, (the next day), as well.

In other words all of the scenes where we see the Thunderbolts and then the final battle happens in the morning (on the following half day). Granted three battles (including flight time from Colorado) seems a bit much to fill within a half of a day, however, it is theoretically possible that all these events could happen in such a short span of time, though.

Honestly, I backed myself into a corner by following the logic of the "no time gap" rule thingy. However, from looking at the Thunderbolts overall story I really didn't have a choice.

I mean the only stretch of possibility where it could have turned night time in the Thunderbolts story arc is between Thunderbolts #124 and #125. However, this seems unlikely because we see the same reporter crew in both issues following Osborn's actions near the Lincoln Memorial. To assume that a whole night had gone by and that everyone is still around that specific structure the next day seems highly improbable. So I am sticking with my theory that all the Thunderbolts stuff and the final battle happens in the morning (and maybe early afternoon) on the following Half Day.

Anyways, I am pretty confident my Thunderbolts timeline theory (which is completely made up) works to support my placement of the night time issues in my various story arc telling formats.

Actually, if you have another theory to help explain my Thunderbolts and night time issues dilemma better I would definitely welcome it. I am obviously grasping at straws here.

My memories a little rusty here but I believe that the Deadpool issues are a known problem. The amount of time that passes must be wrong and is obviously a bit of a writer’s goof. I'm pretty sure that I made some posts regarding this in this thread, some pages back.
Yeah, that could work.

Cool, thanks.

I didn't bother with the Home Invasion stuff but aren't her brother Hank and Hank Pym of the Avengers two totally separate characters? :confused: The Hank Skrull that we all know and love that appears in issues of Avengers and the SI mini-series is the Skrull that was impersonating Yellow-Jacket in order to infiltrated Camp Hammond. Kinsey Walden isn't affiliated with any Superheroes is she? She's just from a regular American family I thought. I’m pretty sure that her brother isn’t Hank Pym, surely?

I was going to Google: "Kinsey Walden" and her "brother: Hank". However, I thought to myself... Nah! How many guys besides Pym and McCoy can there be who also have the first name of "Hank" in a major Marvel event?

Looks like I was wrong. Next time I will definitely have to shake my magical box (My computer and Google) to get the answers next time my friend.

Anyways, thanks for your help and the quick reply. It is much appreciated.
Hopefully my Secret Invasion List won't need anymore work after this.
It's starting to feel like I am making regular trips to the dentist to fix these darn things (Reading Orders) again.

:wink:

Side Note:

Oh, and just to let you know, I haven't read Secret Invasion: Home #2-8. I only thought there was one issue out of the series for some reason. Hopefully, I will be able to get the chance to check them out soon. For now, (until I read them) I placed them in my Complete List Reading Order as a complete uninterrupted story arc (right before the Punisher War Journal issues).

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Graphic Man

10-25-2009, 05:29 PM

Final Secret Invasion Update:

1. Seeing the Thunderbolts story line is an unexplained flash forward: I decided to move Deadpool #1-3 back into my Recommended Reading Order. However, I continued to leave these issues out in my Trade Paper Back Reading Order, though. For one: these issues are technically a continuity goof; and two: the flow of the story arc works better without it seeing the title of the book is called "The Final Battle".

2. Also, I discovered that Avengers Initiative #20 deals with the aftermath of Secret Invasion, so I included this book in all three of my reading orders.

3. And seeing I added Avengers Initiative #20: It made more sense to include the Secret Invasion Requiem issue that shows Hank Pym taking on the legacy of the Wasp.

4. I also moved Thunderbolts #124 immediately after Thunderbolts #123 because there was no time gap in between these issues.

5. And Secret Invasion Home #1-6 I placed right after Avengers #17 in my Complete Reading Order List because it shows Nick Fury and his team making the same entrance that they did in Avengers #17 and Secret Invasion #4. Then I placed Secret Invasion Home #7-8 after Avengers Initiative #19 because Secret Invasion Home #8 reveals the same scene where we see the real super heroes come out of space ship at the end of Secret Invasion #8. Anyways, I decided to leave out Secret Invasion Home #1-8 in my other two reading orders because the series is exceptionally poor. The artwork and story is really bad. Also the clarity and flow of the book is pretty horrible, too.

6. Oh, and I also recently added Beta Ray Bill #1 to my reading orders, too. I had the issue placed right before the last full issue within all three of my reading orders (Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1).

7. In Avengers Initiative #19: I made a notation in my Recommended and Trade Paper Back Reading Orders that the top two panels on the last page should be removed or ignored because it shows a ridiculous moment of a dead skrull speaking.

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Graphic Man

10-25-2009, 05:41 PM

SECRET INVASION
(RECOMMENDED READING ORDER)
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/00SecretInvasiona.jpg

This list is a brand new reading order based off my own personal reading preference. It is exactly the same as my other reading orders, except I deleted various issues. Certain issues had been removed because I felt they either hurt the over all story or it had seriously slowed it down. Just as a good director must cut scenes he loves from his film, I felt I had to make some tough choices in order for the story to flow right. (NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
Mighty Avengers #8
New Avengers #40 (Flashback)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1
SECRET INVASION #1 (Note: Any Thunderbolts story lines happens on the 2nd day* of the Invasion)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #16
Nova #17
Nova #18
SECRET INVASION #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Avengers: The Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123-a (Pages 1-3)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Thunderbolts #123-b (Pages 4-23)
Thunderbolts #124
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #125
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Ignore or cut out the top 2 panels on the last page)
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Mighty Avengers #20
New Avengers #48
New Avengers #49
Dark Avengers #1
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1
War of Kings Ascension #1-a (Pages 1-3)

SUPPLEMENTAL READING ORDER:

Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Skrulls #1
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

DELETED ISSUES:
(To Read Afterwards, If Desired)

New Avengers #42 (Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Flashback)
Secret Invasion Saga #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
Marvel Holiday Special #1
Mighty Avengers #14
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Top 2 panels on the last page)
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23)

NOTE 1:

Secret Invasion lasts a day and a half according to the Secret Invasion Frontline books.
Also, all of the Thunderbolts scenes don't appear to have any evident time gaps within it's story line (or arc) either and it runs right into the final Skrull battle at the end (Secret Invasion #6-8). This suggests that all the Thunderbolts story lines happen on the 2nd day* (or half day) in the morning to early afternoon.

Please read this post for a further explanation...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9825838&postcount=395

NOTE 2:

Well, just like my Trade Paper Back Reading Order (below), you can read the deleted issues last as if they were deleted scenes for a DVD. They are intended to be read last like the supplementary issues. Furthermore, I placed the deleted issues in chronological order of when they occurred. However, you can read them in any order you prefer.

NOTE 3:

In case your interested: Here are some explanations on the deleted books from my Recommended Reading Order in Secret Invasion...

1. Secret Invasion: Home #1-8 (Artwork and writing is horrible and clarity of each book is bad).
2. Secret Invasion: New Nation #1 (Cow Skrulls? Really?)
3. Thunderbolts #126 - #127 (Necessary for reading Dark Reign, but otherwise it slows the story down)
4. Dark Reign #1 (Horrible artwork and an even less exciting story line)
5. Powerpack #1 - #4 (Treats the Skrulls as if they are goofy fun loving villains).
6. Marvel Holiday Special #1 (Comedy issue that is way too silly to be taken seriously).
7. New Avengers #42 (Is a slow and unnecessary flashback issue).
8. New Avengers #45 (Is another slow and unnecessary flashback issue).
9. Secret Invasion Saga #1 (Is an unneeded recap issue of Invasion and a brief history of the Skrulls).

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Graphic Man

10-25-2009, 05:59 PM

SECRET INVASION
(TRADE PAPER BACK READING ORDER)
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/00SecretInvasionTradePaper-3.jpg

This list is meant to help create a New Trade Paper Back Version of Secret Invasion. An over-all story that helps put Secret Invasion in better perspective. Which could be used to construct a new and more exciting hard cover series or 2nd printing.
(NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 1 (THE INFILTRATION):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS PROLOGUE)
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS IT BEGINS...)
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31

SECRET INVASION BOOK 2 (THE DISCOVERY):

New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
Mighty Avengers #8
New Avengers #40 (Flashback)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 3 (PLANS IN MOTION)

Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46

SECRET INVASION BOOK 4 (THE COMING ATTACK)

X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 5 (THE ATTACK PART 1):

SECRET INVASION #1 (Note: Any Thunderbolts story lines happens on the 2nd day* of the Invasion)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2

SECRET INVASION BOOK 6 (THE ATTACK PART 2):

SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-a (Pages 1-20)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 7 (THE ATTACK PART 3):

New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #16
Nova #17
Nova #18
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 8 (THE ATTACK PART 4):

SECRET INVASION #4
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25

SECRET INVASION BOOK 9 (AROUND THE WORLD 1):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE UK ATTACK)
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE ASGARD ATTACK)
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3

SECRET INVASION BOOK 10 (AROUND THE WORLD 2):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WEST COAST ATTACK)
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE WAKANDA ATTACK)
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41

SECRET INVASION BOOK 11 (OUR VERY SURVIVAL):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS AN ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS HEROES RETURN HOME)
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5

SECRET INVASION BOOK 12 (THE FINAL BATTLE):

Avengers: The Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123
Thunderbolts #124
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #125
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE FINAL BATTLE)
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Top 2 panels on last page eliminated)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 13 (THE AFTERMATH):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS OUT OF THE ASHES)
New Avengers #47
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A DARK REIGN)
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Mighty Avengers #20
New Avengers #48
New Avengers #49
Dark Avengers #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS EPILOGUE)
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1
War of Kings Ascension #1-a (Pages 1-3)

SECRET INVASION BOOK 14 (SPECIAL FEATURES 1):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS ALIEN ATTACK REVEALED)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS SKRULL FILES)
Skrulls #1
(A PAGE THAT SAYS DELETED ISSUES PART 1)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS FOR YOUNGER READERS)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
(A PAGE THAT SAYS BAD BLOOD PART 1:)
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS THE TALKING DEAD SKRULL)
Avengers: The Initiative #19 (Top two panels on last page shown).

SECRET INVASION BOOK 15 (SPECIAL FEATURES 2):

(A PAGE THAT SAYS GAG REEL)
Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS DELETED ISSUES PART 2)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS UNNEEDED FLASHBACKS)
New Avengers #42 (Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Flashback)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS BAD BLOOD PART 2:)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
(A PAGE THAT SAYS CONTINUITY GOOF)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
(A PAGE THAT SAYS A LOOK BACK ON THE ALIEN ATTACK)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

NOTE 1:

Secret Invasion lasts a day and a half according to the Secret Invasion Frontline books.
Also, all of the Thunderbolts scenes don't appear to have any evident time gaps within it's story line (or arc) either and it runs right into the final Skrull battle at the end (Secret Invasion #6-8). This suggests that all the Thunderbolts story lines happen on the 2nd day* (or half day) in the morning to early afternoon.

Please read this post for a further explanation...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9825838&postcount=395

NOTE 2:

Oh, and just to let you know, I deleted Skrulls vs Powerpack and the Marvel Holiday Special because they felt like they were stories intended for a much more younger group of viewers. The issues themselves are fine on their own, but they really didn't seem to fit anywhere in the drama or the seriousness of Secret Invasion. However, if you do want to place these issues then I would place them like this:

PowerPack #1-4
(Should be placed right after Inhumans #2)

Marvel Holiday Special (2008)
(Should be placed directly after Avengers Initiative Annual #1)

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Graphic Man

10-25-2009, 06:05 PM

SECRET INVASION
(COMPLETE READING ORDER)
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This list should be my final and complete Reading Order for Secret Invasion.
This is every Secret Invasion related issue placed in a chronological story arc reading format. It is the entire Secret Invasion story uncut with every full fledged current story line or labeled tie-in issue. (NOTE: All issues are are placed chronologically in story arc format. In other words: issues with no major time gaps in-between them were attempted (whenever possible) to be kept together (in an orderly time line) to preserve a more fluid, uninterrupted, and natural reading flow. (Also: Flashback issues can be placed either in a linear fashion or as they were originally intended (As Flashbacks). Which ever serves the story or story arcs the best)).

New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers #44
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Mighty Avengers #16
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue #1 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
Mighty Avengers #7
Mighty Avengers #8
New Avengers #40 (Flashback)
New Avengers #42 (Flashback)
New Avengers #45 (Flashback)
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Secret Invasion Saga #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #1
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #2
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #3
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #4
Captain Marvel (mini-series) #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
X-Factor #33
She-Hulk #31
X-Factor #34
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27
Guardians of the Galaxy #4
Guardians of the Galaxy #5
Guardians of the Galaxy #6
Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1
SECRET INVASION #1 ((Note: Any Thunderbolts story lines happens on the 2nd day* of the Invasion)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #34
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.I.E.L.D. #35
Thunderbolts #122
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #15
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-a (Pages 1-20)
New Warriors #14
New Warriors #15
Mighty Avengers #18
Nova #16
Nova #17
Nova #18
Mighty Avengers #14
SECRET INVASION #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Ms. Marvel #30
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
SECRET INVASION #5
Avengers: The Initiative #18
Thunderbolts #123-a (pages 1-3)
Deadpool #1
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Thunderbolts #123-b (pages 4-23)
Thunderbolts #124
Mighty Avengers #19
Thunderbolts #125
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
SECRET INVASION #6
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
New Avengers #47
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Dark Reign: New Nation #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1
Mighty Avengers #20
New Avengers #48
New Avengers #49
Dark Avengers #1
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Secret Invasion Requiem #1
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3-b (Pages 21-23)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: War of Kings #1
War of Kings Ascension #1-a (Pages 1-3)

SUPPLEMENTAL READING ORDER:

Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion #1
Skrulls #1
Marvel Holiday Special (2008) (Can be placed directly after Avengers Initiative Annual #1)
Marvel Spotlight: Secret Invasion Aftermath #1

NOTE:

Secret Invasion lasts a day and a half according to the Secret Invasion Frontline books.
Also, all of the Thunderbolts scenes don't appear to have any evident time gaps within it's story line (or arc) either and it runs right into the final Skrull battle at the end (Secret Invasion #6-8). This suggests that all the Thunderbolts story lines happen on the 2nd day* (or half day) in the morning to early afternoon.

Please read this post for a further explanation...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9825838&postcount=395

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John Lynch

10-25-2009, 09:27 PM

So I was looking for a complete Chronological Reading Order for Infiltration and Secret Invasion and ultimately I'd like one for Dark Reign. I had trouble finding a complete one for Infiltration and Secret Invasion, so I thought I'd create a new thread for them and Dark Reign so that its possible to find them in the first post of a thread.

These lists use Chronological Order so you can read the events as they happen in sequence (so issues which are entirely a flashback are put in the best order possible).

Some have said a reading order isn't necessary for Dark Reign. Although with Osborne and the Dark Avengers appearing in many comics, I think it would be useful.

Chronological Reading Order for Infiltration

Secret War #1
Secret War #2
Secret War #3
Secret War #4
Secret War #5
New Avengers: Illuminati #1
New Avengers: Illuminati #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #3
The Return One-Shot
Namor #1
Namor #2
New Avengers: Illuminati #4
Namor #3
Namor #4
Namor #5
New Avengers #44
Mighty Avengers #16
New Avengers #40
Skrulls #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #42
New Avengers #45
Mighty Avengers #15
Secret Invasion: Prologue
New Avengers #27
New Avengers #28
New Avengers #29
New Avengers #30
New Avengers #31
Mighty Avengers #17
New Avengers #32
New Avengers #33
New Avengers #34
New Avengers #35
New Avengers #36
New Avengers #37
Mighty Avengers #7
New Avengers: Illuminati #5
Marvel Holiday Special 2007
Captain Marvel #1
Avengers Initiative Annual #1
Namor #6
New Avengers Annual #2
New Avengers #38
Secret Invasion Saga #1 (one-shot)
Captain Marvel #2
Captain Marvel #3
Captain Marvel #4
Captain Marvel #5
Mighty Avengers #12
Mighty Avengers #13
New Avengers #39
New Avengers #46
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #1
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #1
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4
X-Factor 33
She-Hulk 31
X-Factor 34
Ms. Marvel #25
Ms. Marvel #26
Ms. Marvel #27

Chronological Reading Order for Secret Invasion by Confessor and Graphic Man
(Secret Invasion Frontline is grouped together at the end because each individual story jumps around a LOT and its all written in the past tense)

Avengers: The Initiative #14
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #3
Guardians Of The Galaxy #4
Guardians Of The Galaxy #5
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? #1 (one-shot)
Guardians Of The Galaxy #6
Secret Invasion: Inhumans #4
Thunderbolts #122
SECRET INVASION #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2
Nova #16
SECRET INVASION #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #1
Mighty Avengers #18
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #1
Avengers: The Initiative #15
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #2
New Warriors #14
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #1
New Warriors #15
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #2
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
New Avengers #41
New Avengers #43
Mighty Avengers #14
She-Hulk #32
She-Hulk #33
SECRET INVASION #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1
Deadpool #1
Ms. Marvel #28
Ms. Marvel #29
Secret Invasion: Young Avengers/Runaways #3
Avengers: The Initiative #16
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #33
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #34
Ms. Marvel #30
Iron Man: Director Of S.H.E.I.L.D. #35
Secret Invasion: Thor #2
Secret Invasion: Thor #3
SECRET INVASION #4
Thunderbolts #123
SECRET INVASION #5
Nova #17
Secret Invasion: X-Men #1
Incredible Hercules #117
Secret Invasion: X-Men #2
Incredible Hercules #118
Incredible Hercules #119
Incredible Hercules #120
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3
Avengers: The Initiative #17
Nova #18
Secret Invasion: X-Men #3
Thunderbolts #124
Black Panther #39
Black Panther #40
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3
Captain Britain and MI:13 #4
Black Panther #41
Secret Invasion: X-Men #4
Deadpool #2
Deadpool #3
Mighty Avengers #19
Punisher: War Journal #24
Punisher: War Journal #25
Avengers: The Initiative #18
SECRET INVASION #6
Thunderbolts #125
SECRET INVASION #7
SECRET INVASION #8
Avengers: The Initiative #19
New Avengers #47
Secret Invasion: Front Line #1
Secret Invasion: Front Line #2
Secret Invasion: Front Line #3
Secret Invasion: Front Line #4
Secret Invasion: Front Line #5

Chronological Reading Order for Dark Reign

New Avengers #48
Mighty Avengers #20
Dark Avengers #1
Dark Reign: New Nation #1 (one-shot)
Avengers: The Initiative #20
Thunderbolts #126
Thunderbolts #127
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1 (one-shot)
New Avengers #49
Secret Invasion: War Of Kings #1 (one-shot)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)
Secret Invasion: Requiem #1 (one-shot)

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See my next post for issues that I'm unsure about where they belong.

John Lynch

10-25-2009, 09:31 PM

I'm unsure where the following issues belong:

Agents of Atlas (vol. 2) #1-8
Amazing Spider-Man #595-599
Avengers: The Initiative #21-31
Black Panther (vol. 5) #1-9
Captain America #600
Captain America Reborn #0-5
Dark Avenger: Ares #1-3
Dark Avengers #2-11
Dark Avengers Annual #1
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus #1
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia #1
Dark Reign: The Cabal #1
Dark Reign: Elektra #1-5
Dark Reign: Fantastic Four #1-5
Dark Reign Files #1
Dark Reign: Hawkeye #1-5
Dark Reign: Lethal Legion #1-3
Dark Reign: Made Men #1
Dark Reign: Mr. Negative #1-3
Dark Reign: The Goblin Legacy #1
Dark Reign: The Hood #1-5
Dark Reign: The List - Avengers #1
Dark Reign: The List - Daredevil #1
Dark Reign: The List - Hulk #1
Dark Reign: The List - Punisher #1
Dark Reign: The List - Secret Warriors #1
Dark Reign: The List - Spider-Man #1
Dark Reign: The List - X-Men #1
Dark Reign: The List - Wolverine #1
Dark Reign: The Sinister Spider-Man #1-4
Dark Reign: Young Avengers #1-5
Dark Reign: Zodiac #1-3
Dark Wolverine #75-80
Dark X-Men: The Beginning #1-5
Dark X-Men: The Confession #1
Deadpool (vol. 4) #6-12
Heroes for Hire Secret Invasion Issues
Hulk (vol.2) #13
Incredible Hercules #127-128
Incredible Hulk #601-605
Invincible Iron Man #8-22
Marvel Spotlight: Dark Reign #1
Mighty Avengers #21-32
M.O.D.O.K.: Reign Delay #1
Ms. Marvel (vol. 2) #34-46
New Avengers #50-58
New Avengers: The Reunion #1-4
Planet Skaar Prologue
Punisher (vol. 2) #1-10
Punisher Annual #1
Savage She-Hulk Vol.2 #1-4
Secret Warriors #1-10
Skaar: Son of Hulk #11-12
Skrull Kill Krew (vol. 2) #1-5
Spider-Woman #1-5
Thor #600-604
Thor: Defining Moments
Thunderbolts #128-137
Uncanny X-Men Annual #2
Uncanny X-Men #513-514
Vengeance of Moon Knight #1-5
War Machine (vol. 2) #1-11
Wolverine: Origins #33-36
X-Men Legacy #226-227

Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreicated.

Graphic Man

10-26-2009, 01:32 PM

So I was looking for a complete Chronological Reading Order for Infiltration and Secret Invasion and ultimately I'd like one for Dark Reign. I had trouble finding a complete one for Infiltration and Secret Invasion, so I thought I'd create a new thread for them and Dark Reign so that its possible to find them in the first post of a thread.

John Lynch:

That is cool that you are curious about a complete (chronological) reading order for Infiltration and Secret Invasion. Confessor's strictly chronological reading order and my three reading orders covers both the Infiltration and Secret Invasion titles and tie-ins. Now we haven't gone over board and included every Skrull event, hint, or appearance before the actual Infiltration or Secret Invasion because the other story lines (The Secret War issues for example) really isn't the first chapter or story of Infiltration or Secret Invasion. Despite the hints and clues that have transpired in previous books, New Avengers: Illuminati #1 is technically where our story truly starts for Secret Invasion (or Infiltration).

Also, just to let you know a strictly chronological reading order can be a nice read (depending on your preference), but it does spoil certain surprises when reading it for the first time.

That is part of the reason why I created my reading orders.

Recommended Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873173&postcount=397)

Trade Paper Back List Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873296&postcount=398)

Complete List Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873336&postcount=399)

I personally enjoy my reading order(s) because I don't have to freeze cliffhanger moments at the end of an issue (as often), and come back to it a couple of issues later. I try not to interrupt the flow of time within the thread of a particular book or story. In other words, if there are issues where there are no time gaps in between them, I try to keep them together; that way I am not interrupting a particular story line that is trying to be told.

Oh, and just to let you know my reading orders do keep things on a chronological time line for the most part. Picture a bunch of small wooden blocks placed on down a long string. Now, imagine the story arcs are the blocks, and the string is the chronological time line. The wooden blocks may overlap each other from time to time, but generally they are all still placed on down the string in a sequential or chronological fashion. Here is another way of looking at it; Think of the story arcs or blocks as one complete song. I don't pause in the middle of that song, play another song and then come back to that song. I listen to one complete song, and then move on down the track to the next one uninterrupted. That is what my reading order is kind of like.

Now, are my reading orders the best reading order style you will ever read? By all means, no. The best reading order is only in the eye of the beholder of course. Everyone has their own personal preferences or tastes and I wouldn't force you or anyone to eat or drink something that wouldn't taste right. However, if one of my reading orders sounds like it could be your cup of tea, I definitely would be happy to hear that of course.

As for a Dark Reign Reading Order: the issue of it actually being a viable reading order has been addressed in this post here...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250461

However, if you wish in developing a Dark Reign Reading Order in that thread despite popular opinion, well you have my vote kind sir.

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John Lynch

10-26-2009, 04:34 PM

I guess having a nice, easy to find reference was a terrible idea (I had to read all 27 pages of this thread to find a complete list for the complete Chronological Reading Order)

I personally enjoy my reading order(s) because I don't have to freeze cliffhanger moments at the end of an issue (as often), and come back to it a couple of issues later.Yeah, I certainly understand the reasoning behind that. But I also like to read things in Chronological Order. I've actually gone for a middle Ground and instead use Gyroscope's reading order (although I didn't include that in my post because I was looking for a strict chronological order for Dark Reign and didn't want to muddy the issue).

Different strokes for different folks ;)

As for a Dark Reign Reading Order: the issue of it actually being a viable reading order has been addressed in this post here...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250461I found that thread (and a couple of others) and I understand the reasoning, but the little of Dark Reign I've read (Thunderbolts and Invincible Iron Man) definitely warrants a reading order guide IMO.

Besides which, I'm going to create a reading order anyway (I've read so many comics through Marvel's Digital Comics Unlimited that I keep notes on the ones I've read and where they fit in the timeline so i don't keep re-reading the same 5 issues and I can understand why in one issue Peter Parker and Tony Stark are bestest friends, while in a different issue Tony Stark doesn't even know who Peter Parker is), so I might as well post up the results :wink:

jackolover

10-26-2009, 10:28 PM

I found that thread (and a couple of others) and I understand the reasoning, but the little of Dark Reign I've read (Thunderbolts and Invincible Iron Man) definitely warrants a reading order guide IMO.

Besides which, I'm going to create a reading order anyway , so I might as well post up the results :wink:

Where are you doing this?

I've tried a host of combinations trying to fit books into a reading order that makes sense, but I eventually gave up and put them into publication order by the time Utopia came around. The mini's are self contained and could all happen after Secret Invasion #8, and none would be out of order, because they don't crossover. But once you get close to Utopia, the violence gets much worse, and it's starting to read a lot better when books intersperse, to breakup the action. eg When the TBolts/SW story of Widow/Songbird/Fury is going on, I intersperse them with the MA arc of the Unspoken, which are published at the same time. It gives you a different perspective of why Osborn doesn't get involved with Tibet, and what he's doing while the MA are having a bad time in Tibet. And you can tie-in an ASM book to an NA book, as a similar sequence occurs in both books.

Graphic Man

10-26-2009, 11:01 PM

But I also like to read things in Chronological Order. I've actually gone for a middle Ground and instead use Gyroscope's reading order. Different strokes for different folks.

John Lynch:

Yeah, if my memory serves me correctly: I do believe Gyroscope put the Flashbacks in a non chronological order so that they don't ruin the story of Secret Invasion. So I can understand the attraction in wanting to use that method.

As for reading things chronologically: I am a huge fan of wanting to read things in order. In fact, with the exception of certain flashbacks: my reading orders are chronological. My reading orders are simply presented in a story arc format for natural reading is all. All normal story lines (or story arcs) happen chronologically. There is no confusion or mix up of when events take place when reading any of my personal reading orders. 90% of my story arcs flows right into the next story arc in a nice fluid and orderly fashion (with no major events appearing out of order).

I found that thread (and a couple of others) and I understand the reasoning, but the little of Dark Reign I've read (Thunderbolts and Invincible Iron Man) definitely warrants a reading order guide IMO.

Hey, that's cool. I would definitely be curious to see what your Dark Reign Reading Order looks like when you are done.

Oh, and just to let you know: there are books missing on Confessor's strictly chronological reading order, too. My Complete Reading Order has every single core and story related tie-in issue for Secret Invasion listed.

Complete List Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873336&postcount=399)

Here are the missing issues:

Skrulls vs Powerpack #1 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in) (This series came out the same year as SI)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in)
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic) (This issue starts a separate story arc)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
Dark Avengers #1 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in) (Formation of Dark Avengers is part of Osborn's reward in SI)
Avengers Initiative #20 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in) (Everyone is trying to deal with the horrible events of SI)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)

*SI = Secret Invasion.

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John Lynch

10-27-2009, 12:23 AM

Where are you doing this?In general I just use an Excel file (technically an Open Office Spreadsheet file. But it began as an excel file a few years ago).

More specifically for Dark Reign, I haven't started yet. So I'm not doing it anywhere :wink: (there are a few notes in a post above, but ultimately I'd like to edit that out and put it in a new thread. I'm keeping it here, even though its Dark Reign related rather than Secret Invasion just so I don't lose it :wink:)

Oh, and just to let you know: there are books missing on Confessor's strictly chronological reading order, too. My Complete Reading Order has every single core and story related tie-in issue for Secret Invasion listed.

Complete List Reading Order. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9873336&postcount=399)

Here are the missing issues:

Skrulls vs Powerpack #1 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in) (This series came out the same year as SI)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #2 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #3 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in)
Skrulls vs Powerpack #4 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in)
Secret Invasion: Home #1 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #2 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #3 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #4 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #5 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #6 (Marvel digital comic)
Secret Invasion: Home #7 (Marvel digital comic) (This issue starts a separate story arc)
Secret Invasion: Home #8 (Marvel digital comic)
Dark Avengers #1 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in) (Formation of Dark Avengers is part of Osborn's reward in SI)
Avengers Initiative #20 (Unofficial Secret Invasion Tie-in) (Everyone is trying to deal with the horrible events of SI)
Secret Invasion: Aftermath: Beta Ray Bill #1 (one shot)

*SI = Secret Invasion.Thanks :smile: I've shoved them in where they seem to fit (working off your list and trying to meld it into the Confessor's). If I read them/After I read them (I'm not likely to read the Power Pack series) I might tweak where I've put them.