Batgirl and the Outsiders?

[Samuraixsithlord]

so just in issue #3 we're going to see Batgirl join the Outsiders. Does anyone have any hopes to how Batman will react to Cass leaving, trusting Slade, and then killing some people?

[The Cool Thatguy]

so just in issue #3 we're going to see Batgirl join the Outsiders. Does anyone have any hopes to how Batman will react to Cass leaving, trusting Slade, and then killing some people?

Ideally, they'll brush that crap under the rug with other bad writing.

[Fatguy]

Yea, rarely do I say this, but I hope everybody involved just pretends nothing ever happened and we dont hear a thing about it. I'm not wanting even a GOOD explanation, if there was one to be had.

[Samuraixsithlord]

i kinda want Batman to smack Batgirl in the head, tell her she was stupid to think that she was all alone and that no one loves her then they hug and everything is right again.

and a few months later they come out with Batgirl vol.2

[The Cool Thatguy]

i kinda want Batman to smack Batgirl in the head, tell her she was stupid to think that she was all alone and that no one loves her then they hug and everything is right again.

and a few months later they come out with Batgirl vol.2

If anyone deserves a smack in the head in Bruce and Cass' relationship, it's Bruce. The guy deserves a full on ass-whuppin' long before OYL and the debt just keeps piling up. If blame is placed, I think it ought to be squarely on Bruce's shoulders.

[carabas]

i kinda want Batman to smack Batgirl in the head, tell her she was stupid to think that she was all alone and that no one loves her then they hug and everything is right again.I'd much rather see Batgirl kick Batamn all over the Batcave for forgetting she existed for more than a year, and then leaving her alone at Deathstroke's mercy.

[Aaron Nowack]

Particularly since I can't imagine the airing out of all those issues getting the page time it'd take to do it right in a team book, I second the hope that it'll for the most part get shoved under the rug.

[Nate Grey]

Yeah ignore it entirely (I'd settle for them both giving a simultaneous shrug and that being the only "explanation" we ever get), or BATS, not Cass, getting the natural beatdown. Didn't find her, left her alone, training a villain as his stand in while he was away...maybe Batman was on that kryptonite, and I don't mean Superman's weakness. lol

[Samuraixsithlord]

I'd much rather see Batgirl kick Batamn all over the Batcave for forgetting she existed for more than a year, and then leaving her alone at Deathstroke's mercy.


But Cassie went to Slade and for all Bruce knew she willingly joined the LoA

[Spiffy]

If anyone deserves a smack in the head in Bruce and Cass' relationship, it's Bruce. The guy deserves a full on ass-whuppin' long before OYL and the debt just keeps piling up. If blame is placed, I think it ought to be squarely on Bruce's shoulders.
And he's apologized, what? Once in the past 15 years or so for being an asshat at various times?

I'm not seeing DC letting that happen. Especially since he's already been posed as a tough merciless commander again for this version of the Outsiders. He won't show any vulnerability, and I don't think they plan to show him wallowing in guilt.

Actually, I'm kind of thinking that the Catwoman/Batgirl interactions might be interesting. Its slipping my mind a bit. How much interaction have these two had before?

[The Cool Thatguy]

And he's apologized, what? Once in the past 15 years or so for being an asshat at various times?

I'm not seeing DC letting that happen. Especially since he's already been posed as a tough merciless commander again for this version of the Outsiders. He won't show any vulnerability, and I don't think they plan to show him wallowing in guilt.

Actually, I'm kind of thinking that the Catwoman/Batgirl interactions might be interesting. Its slipping my mind a bit. How much interaction have these two had before?

I don't recall saying it would happen, simply that it's what should happen ;)

[X-23vsBatgirl]

Everyone seems to be forgetting Titans East storyline (which I can understand as I'm trying to forget it myself) and that Cassie was DRUGGED by Slade with the crazy juice he shot into Ravenger to make her psycho.

And I await a warming scene between Bats and Cassie. He's always been his most human while talking to her. Because she needed it more than any of this other "kids." He's bringing Cass in because he trusts her with "the mission." And hopefully she'll have sworn off killing again now that her mind isn't drugged.

With Dixon writing I'm optimistic about her new role.

[carabas]

Everyone seems to be forgetting Titans East storyline (which I can understand as I'm trying to forget it myself) and that Cassie was DRUGGED by Slade with the crazy juice he shot into Ravenger to make her psycho.Not forgetting it, just thinking that i was a bunch of after the fact backpedalling, and it didn't work anyway.

Also, Cassie was shown to be still quite murderous once she was free of Slade's drug.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Cassie was shown to be still quite murderous once she was free of Slade's drug.


Well Slade did manipulate her into taking the drug, from WW3 it looked like Cass went to Slade willingly, and then made her break her vow of not killing.
In Hush Batman was finally going to kill the Joker before Gordan stopped him, So Cassie wanting to kill Slade was warrented in a since.

Man i want to know what Cass did after Titans East. I hope Batman and the Outsiders #3 shedds some light on this

I also want to know if her taking over the LoA was engineered by Slade or from her drug induced insanity

[Samuraixsithlord]

And I await a warming scene between Bats and Cassie. He's always been his most human while talking to her. Because she needed it more than any of this other "kids." He's bringing Cass in because he trusts her with "the mission." And hopefully she'll have sworn off killing again now that her mind isn't drugged.

Me to. Something like explaining to Cass that she didn't need to go off looking for family because she had it from he beginning something heart warming like that.

I kinda want Robins response to be a little more unforgiving. With all his friends and family dying he seems to be becoming a harder person.

[David Atkins]

With the multiverse being back by that point, and all, the creative sweep-up should have revolved around the OYL Pod-Person Cass being from an alternate Earth and Real Cass turning back up going, 'OMFG WHO DAT?! *CURBSTOMP*'

I'm looking forward to her role in this series. Hopefully the character will be treated with a little respect again.

[X-23vsBatgirl]

Me to. Something like explaining to Cass that she didn't need to go off looking for family because she had it from he beginning something heart warming like that.

I was thinking more "Sorry for not being here the whole year you were being drugged and brainwashed."

IMO the Bat-Crew let Cassie down. Not the other way around.

Not forgetting it, just thinking that i was a bunch of after the fact backpedalling, and it didn't work anyway.

Yeah I agree that it was back pedaling, but its the only solution that made any sense given they swerved her character completely off track from what was built in her 79 issue series. It was SO BAD they had to come up with something.

And the WW3 scene I think she was already drug induced. She hated Slade. Badly. And she had given up being Batgirl at the end of her series a year before WW3 took place. So to me, the drug was a necessary back pedal because it made no sense to make her a villain in the first place.

Now she's in the hands of the man that made Black Canary cool again. So I think she'll get written pretty well. But hopefully Thunder instigated Cass into throwing her through the window like that. Cass was never one for restraint anyway.

[Spiffy]

I'm looking forward to her role in this series. Hopefully the character will be treated with a little respect again.
Well, initial signs point to "no".

I mean the first time we see her she appears to tossing another hero through a window for no good reason. NOT a good start to ditching that "homocidial maniac" vibe they dropped on her for no good reason in the past few years. While the "original" Cass was more apt to speak with her fists than her mouth, she wasn't out of control. In fact, I'd say it was a key to the character that she very much was IN CONTROL at all times. Any writer who doesn't get that, doesn't get the character, at least the character she worked best as.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Well, initial signs point to "no".

I mean the first time we see her she appears to tossing another hero through a window for no good reason. NOT a good start to ditching that "homocidial maniac" vibe they dropped on her for no good reason in the past few years. While the "original" Cass was more apt to speak with her fists than her mouth, she wasn't out of control. In fact, I'd say it was a key to the character that she very much was IN CONTROL at all times. Any writer who doesn't get that, doesn't get the character, at least the character she worked best as.

I suspect the 'I was invited' line was meant for Thunder, who jumped the gun. Dixon has been focusing on her unprofessionalism, as of late.

[Samuraixsithlord]

I was thinking more "Sorry for not being here the whole year you were being drugged and brainwashed."

IMO the Bat-Crew let Cassie down. Not the other way around


Cass did decide to give up the Batgirl Identity and go into hiding. Then she went to Slade willingly and got injected with the serum. so Batman and the Batclan souldn't be responsible for not being able to find Cass, she's good at hiding

[Samuraixsithlord]

I suspect the 'I was invited' line was meant for Thunder, who jumped the gun. Dixon has been focusing on her unprofessionalism, as of late.


I'm pretty sure Thunder attacked Batgirl because she somehow knew that Batgirl ran the LoA or that she was a killer and thought she could take the non-metahuman little ninja

[The Cool Thatguy]

Cass did decide to give up the Batgirl Identity and go into hiding. Then she went to Slade willingly and got injected with the serum. so Batman and the Batclan souldn't be responsible for not being able to find Cass, she's good at hiding

Honestly, Slade had to have already been drugging her by that point. There's no real way she'd join up with him otherwise.