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DaeJi

11-11-2007, 08:24 PM

Nate Grey

11-11-2007, 08:33 PM

Cotton Hill had fans?

I'm actually more upset that we haven't seen his half Japanese son (voiced by David Carradine) again before Cotton passed.

In any case, I wish I had taped it, it was a good ep. I do wish Hank grew some balls and stood up to him, but there's something, I don't know, fitting, about Peggy "daring" him to die and him taking the bait. :D I always liked that she stood up for Hank when it came to his father cause he couldn't.

Weird Good Hank and Cotton's wife (can't think of her name) wasn't in the ep at all.

Scorpion13

11-11-2007, 08:35 PM

I say good. The world's a better place without him. I just wished that Hank grew some balls and finally laid into the bastard.

And no, that isn't it for King of Hill. The Simpsons didn't end when Ma Flanders died.

When they have to resort to killing off characters for a story, something is wrong.

And Cotton was one of the funniest characters on the show. What were they thinking? This is in no way a good idea.

DonC

11-11-2007, 08:36 PM

I say good. The world's a better place without him. I just wished that Hank grew some balls and finally laid into the bastard.

No kidding. He was an unrepentant asshole. I can barely stand King of the Hill as it is because none of the characters are all that likable, but Cotton was the worst. Good riddance.

And, yes, the show was canceled after the 10th season, but high ratings caused Fox to reconsider.

Nate Grey

11-11-2007, 08:40 PM

No kidding. He was an unrepentant asshole. I can barely stand King of the Hill as it is because none of the characters are all that likable, but Cotton was the worst. Good riddance.

The man had no redeeming qualities, at all. I think the only ep I ever liked him in was when Peggy couldn't walk and he basically bullied her into doing her therapy. He got a grave site at the Arlington National Cemetary for when he died, and basically he helped Peggy get better so she could literally dance on his grave there.

DaeJi

11-11-2007, 08:44 PM

When they have to resort to killing off characters for a story, something is wrong.

And Cotton was one of the funniest characters on the show. What were they thinking? This is in no way a good idea.

I never liked Cotton, mostly because Hank was suck a wussy around him. If Hank actually stood up this his old man a hell of lot more often, then maybe I would have liked Cotton more.

IamtheRock3

11-11-2007, 08:44 PM

I think cotton unlikebillity made him funny. He wasnt a MAIN character, he basicly there as someone for Hank to play off of.

Pretty sure this the last season

So killing him off might be a nice touch, some closer for hank

Really wish hank stood up to the guy though

Scorpion13

11-11-2007, 08:59 PM

I never liked Cotton, mostly because Hank was suck a wussy around him. If Hank actually stood up this his old man a hell of lot more often, then maybe I would have liked Cotton more.

Well, he was a cartoon character. How could you do anything but laugh at all the ridiculous, over the top stuff he did?

If the character wasnt funny, thats another story.

Nate Grey

11-11-2007, 09:10 PM

I never liked Cotton, mostly because Hank was suck a wussy around him. If Hank actually stood up this his old man a hell of lot more often, then maybe I would have liked Cotton more.

I wish Hank had stood up to him more myself, but to me that's completely separate from whether the character was likeable or not. Besides being an a-hole just because, he was manipulative and used Hank whenever it fit his purposes. What really got me was how he into broke into some museum with his old Army buddies and planned on using Hank as a patsy. Hank could have done serious time because of that, but Cotton simply thought it was "funny". Luckily Hank figured things out and saved himself, but still.

We NEVER found out why he seemed to hate Hank, why he disparaged him every chance he got, and why he named his baby son Good Hank as an obvious stab at Hank.

I guess if they guy had any saving grace its that he treated Bobby okay.

GozertheGozarian

11-11-2007, 09:42 PM

Cotton was the only thing funny on the show.

Sanagi

11-11-2007, 09:55 PM

Wait, King of the Hill is still on the air? Wow. I mean, it had some good moments, but... How many seasons of that show does the world need?

Cyke

11-11-2007, 10:13 PM

Um: spoiler in the title?

StoneGold

11-11-2007, 10:15 PM

Um: spoiler in the title?

What the hell is up with people doing that all of a sudden?

OK, it happened one other time last night, not exactly a rash, but more than enough.

DaeJi

11-11-2007, 10:20 PM

Well, he was a cartoon character. How could you do anything but laugh at all the ridiculous, over the top stuff he did?

If the character wasnt funny, thats another story.

I didn't find him funny, mostly because he just kept getting away with stuff. If he got his more often, I would have found him funnier. It's the same problem I have with the little sister on Jake and Josh.

Nate Grey

11-11-2007, 10:33 PM

I didn't find him funny, mostly because he just kept getting away with stuff. If he got his more often, I would have found him funnier. It's the same problem I have with the little sister on Jake and Josh.

Its not even that he got away with stuff, its that he never learned anything. Dale, and to an extent Khan, are the resident jerks on the show, but at least they learn something whenever Hank bails them out of the jams they create.

But still, I too never found him funny. I got the writers were aiming for his cruelness/aloofness would equal humor (some of the dialogue between his wife taking care of the baby, for instance), but it never worked for me. Again, Khan and Dale, it works with them (I haven't seen Khan all season come to think of it), but mostly cause they're more human than Cotton ever came off as. Also they're not even half as cruel, just mostly clueless.

Nate Grey

11-11-2007, 10:36 PM

What the hell is up with people doing that all of a sudden?

OK, it happened one other time last night, not exactly a rash, but more than enough.

That, and people ignoring this (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=192654) in its entirety it seems.

Sean Whitmore

11-12-2007, 01:42 AM

Weird Good Hank and Cotton's wife (can't think of her name) wasn't in the ep at all.

Yeah, what the fuck was up with that?

Is DeeDee gonna be raising the baby by herself now on her nonexistent salary?

Or did they just reinvent Hank's dad as a bachelor the same way they reinvented Peggy's mom as a rancher?

SEAN

Darth Joker

11-12-2007, 07:17 AM

Cotton had a few moments where I didn't mind him, but it seemed to me that King of the Hill was a relatively serious show (compared to the Simpsons and Family Guy, anyway), and hence Cotton didn't work as pure comic relief due to his harshness/manipulativeness for me. In a show like Family Guy or the Simpsons, Cotton would have been a few good laughs for me, but in a more serious show like King of the Hill he just came across as a guy that the writers wanted you to hate, and not so much simply get laughs from.

Basically, Cotton came across as an old crusty curmudgeon who's a real busy-body with a need to constantly stick his nose into everybody's situations and harshly lord things over his children and their spouses. Again, he's a character that writers want you to hate, and it's so painfully obvious that they want you to hate that character that it's hard to appreciate him in any way. I couldn't "love to hate" the character because the writers were too heavy-handed in trying to get viewers to hate the character. So, you'd rather he not show up at all, frankly.

Ramiel

11-12-2007, 07:26 AM

Pretty sure this the last season

You read this somewhere or you just speculating?

I actually liked the death, I also liked that it strayed from the usual, 'Oh, I love you' moment that usually accompanies these types of scenes. IMO, that would have been a little out of character for Cotton.

Also have to agree with the majority here, of all the characters on the show I disliked Cotton the most, never really thought he was all that funny.

Have to say, though, I still dig this show even after all these seasons. Something I unfortunately can't say for a lot of long time running shows

Nate Grey

11-12-2007, 08:29 AM

Yeah, what the fuck was up with that?

Is DeeDee gonna be raising the baby by herself now on her nonexistent salary?

Or did they just reinvent Hank's dad as a bachelor the same way they reinvented Peggy's mom as a rancher?

SEAN

Good quesiton, but if that is the case, I mean, DeeDee and the baby's been on there so many times it would be hard to swallow this reinvention. I want to say at least four years running if not more.

My memory could be sketchy, but wasn't the last time they were featured when Cotton lost his job (or whatever his source of income was) and had to reluctantly ask Hank to help him take care of his family? Yeah, I think he wound up being a door greeter or a waiter or something.

Ramiel

11-12-2007, 08:51 AM

My memory could be sketchy, but wasn't the last time they were featured when Cotton lost his job (or whatever his source of income was) and had to reluctantly ask Hank to help him take care of his family? Yeah, I think he wound up being a door greeter or a waiter or something.

He was in an episode last season. It was the one where it was revealed that Hank was actually cousins with the lead from ZZ Top

Nate Grey

11-12-2007, 08:55 AM

He was in an episode last season. It was the one where it was revealed that Hank was actually cousins with the lead from ZZ Top

Thanks, but I meant the last time DeeDee and Good Hank were featured. Were they in that ep, too? I vaguely remember it. I want to say Khan was in that ep, too, but, again, sketchy memory. :o

Ramiel

11-12-2007, 09:03 AM

Thanks, but I meant the last time DeeDee and Good Hank were featured. Were they in that ep, too? I vaguely remember it. I want to say Khan was in that ep, too, but, again, sketchy memory. :o

Oh, sorry I missed that part in your post. I'm think DeeDee was in that episode, but if she were it was like a quick cameo quick shot

Sean Walsh

11-12-2007, 09:17 AM

I kept thinking it was all a swerve and Cotton wouldn't die at all. I was pleased that it truly ended with his death. And Peg being the crux of whether he chooses to live or die was just PERFECT.

Yeah... its still on ? Didn't Judge wanna end it a season or 2 ago ?

He did, and technically they did air the finale, but by the time that episode aired FOX managed to get at least 1 more season from him so it wasn't advertised as the finale (and now it's more than 1 season...)

Nice that they gave KOTH the 8:30 spot (I suspect that may've been a factor in the show returning); the 7 & 7:30 spots it's had were just neglectful on FOX's part, especially during the fall when football would commonly cut them off completely.

Jared

11-12-2007, 03:40 PM

SUPERECWFAN1

11-12-2007, 03:59 PM

Cotton Hill was a hero. Have you all forgotten that he had his shins blown off in WWII, and then proceeded to beat a platoon of Japanese soliders to death with a piece of Fatty?

(And until a few weeks back I hadn't known it was still on either. It reminds me of The Drew Carey Show, which actually went two or three seasons longer than most people realized.

And ABC really went into the tank on Drew Carey. The show basically lost its fanbase as poor Drew lost Kate (should have ended in 2000). ABC felt this puppy had more life and they renewed it for 2 more seasons (48 episodes nearly).

ABC delayed the show an entire season and Paramount was ready to take the show into syndication if they didn't at least air some of the shows.

Darth Joker

11-13-2007, 03:28 PM

Cotton Hill was a hero. Have you all forgotten that he had his shins blown off in WWII, and then proceeded to beat a platoon of Japanese soliders to death with a piece of Fatty?

(And until a few weeks back I hadn't known it was still on either. It reminds me of The Drew Carey Show, which actually went two or three seasons longer than most people realized.

Cotton claimed to be fighting in both Europe, and Japan, during WWII... as the show itself indicated by the comments of other characters, that really, really stretches his credibility.

One of Cotton's two WWII stories may be correct, but it's impossible for both of them to be. That puts a bit of a stain on his WWII heroics, in my view.

Jack

11-13-2007, 03:36 PM

Cotton claimed to be fighting in both Europe, and Japan, during WWII... as the show itself indicated by the comments of other characters, that really, really stretches his credibility.

One of Cotton's two WWII stories may be correct, but it's impossible for both of them to be. That puts a bit of a stain on his WWII heroics, in my view.
Well I remember he was the only one to correctly identify Khan's nationality, so I would assume he did fight in the Pacific.

Sean Whitmore

11-13-2007, 05:19 PM

Hell, I don't care where Cotton fought. He still killed fitty men!

And that makes him a hero.

SEAN

Joe Night

11-14-2007, 02:11 PM

Well I remember he was the only one to correctly identify Khan's nationality, so I would assume he did fight in the Pacific.

Not to mention his other son who I think was conceived while he was fighting in WWII.