Where should the Spider-Man movie franchise go next?

[Theophilus]

I'm one of the people on this board who defended Spider-Man 3 and thinks it is a good film.

But I also think that the Tobey Maguire/Kirsten Dunst/Sam Raimi team has run its course. I think Raimi has said about all he has to say with the franchise and 3 rounded out his run nicely.

What I think needs to be done now is to transition Spidey from the Ditko geek era to the Romita romantic icon. Because as much as I like Tobey in the first three films, I think Spidey is going to have to stop whining so much to be bearable. You can only take so much "oh, but MJ, I looooove you!" It worked in the first three--brilliantly. But the franchise has to evolve or it will die a horrible death.

My suggestion? Put James Franco in the lead role. Yeah, I know Sony probably wouldn't because they'd be worried that people are going, "Holy cow! When did Harry Osborn become Spider-Man!" But it could be done. Really. And I trust the guy because he's got acting talent. He made a lot of scenes work in 3 that just wouldn't have if he hadn't been doing his job. He's proven that he can be whiny and loser-ish when necessary, but he can also be extremely confident and charismatic.

But honestly, the guy tried for the role in the first place and they were looking for someone a little more nerdy. But if they want to really honor the comic history, it makes sense to move into a Romita-ish Spidey.

Because I think people will abandon the franchis in droves if it's about Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst's chemistry again.

And develop JJJ and Robbie a little. DeMatteis did a great job of fleshing Jonah out without losing his gruff humor, so follow that lead!

And for the love of Pete, more humor, less whining! Alleviate some of the melodrama for at least one film and concentrate on Spidey's humor some more.

What do you think.

What do you think?

[Geardaddy]

I'm with you on a couple of points. 1) Spider-Man 3 was indeed a good film and 2) James Franco is a great actor.

That said, I think it would be VERY difficult to pull of a James Franco Peter Parker/Spider-Man going forward. I like that Harry died a hero in Spidey 3, but was sad because it meant that Franco was basically done with the Spidey movies.

I'd like to see them either go in with a bold move and have MJ die in a 4th film, really making the movie goer think "Wow, this villian (who ever that is) is a real bad ass!" and set up the most dramatic Spidey/Villian confrontation yet. The only villian I could see them using for something like this would be the Hobgoblin. Since they've used the Green Goblin, Venom, and Doc Ock, I don't know if there's a villian "worthy" enough outside of those three that could be the one to kill her off. This could also set the stage to develop a new love interest like Gwen, Betty, or someone else.

[asloveislost]

Carnage is really badass, not the most intriguing character but definitely the most ruthless imo.
Killing off MJ wouldnt work though...

[projectnrm]

Here's how you fix the Spidey franchise (If you saw SP3, you know why I went with the word "fix"):

1. Age Spidey a little bit, so that you can justify going with a new, older actor for the part. Cillian Murphy is a good contender, IMO.

2. Keep him and MJ separate. Play up the romantic tension, but toss another female lead in to complicate things. May I suggest Felicia Hardy/Black Cat?

3. Storyline: Dr. Connor finally goes Lizard-y, and the city of New York brings in a legendary big game hunter to put an end to the monster: Kraven. Of course, the guy clashes with Spidey because Pete's trying to save his friend, while Kraven wants a new trophy for the mantle. The whole thing practically writes itself.

No need to pay me, Marvel. I'm just doing my job.

[comicum18]

.Spider-man 3 was a good film, it didn`t lowered the level of the franchise, the only problem was that Spider-man 2 was insanely good, almost perfect, so I can see how some people can say this one wasn`t has good, but it was great to me.
.as for spider-man 4 I agree that they should give it the felling that the Lee/Romita era had. I would keep the actors has they all did an incredible job.
.as for the story here`s what I think: I would increase the love triangle beetwen Peter, MJ and Gwen. As for vilains I would go for the Lizard (after 2 apearences by Dr. Curt Connors it´s time) and kraven the hunter (I would ad some story conections whith Kraven`s last hunt). we could also have some cameo by some other villain (my preference goes to the shocker which could be Bruce Campbel usual guest apearence if Raimi`s the director.).:)

[Venom]

I reckon the same cast could be used for one or two more films. In Spider-Man 4 they should use the Lizard and Kraven for a "Kraven's Last Hunt" style story like everyone keeps suggesting.

[Mister Mets]

I think the guys in charge of the movies should have a game plan for the next few films. Tobey Maguire/ Kirsten Dunst should be replaced unless the movies will be made in quick succession. I do see no reason to replace Rosemary Harris, JK Simmons, Byrce Dallas Howard or James Cromwell

There's a lot of stuff future movies could cover....
Spider-Man tries to join the Fantastic Four
The Vulture
The Chameleon
The Kingpin (If you want to do a crime boss story, why not use the best?)
The Punisher
Daredevil
The Shocker (more as a villain for Spider-Man to beat up in the first few minutes.)
Electro
Mysterio
The Sinister Six
Kraven
The Scorpion
Carnage
Venom 2 (Eddie Brock Sr)
The Lizard
The death of Captain Stacy
Spider-Man framed/ wanted by cops
Kraven's Last Hunt (substituting Lizard for Vermin)
The return of Norman Osborn
The Hobgoblin
Peter/ MJ break-up
Peter/ MJ get married.
Jonathan Caesar abducts Mary Jane
The Black Cat
Peter dates Gwen
The death of Gwen Stacy

The writers should figure out the Peter Parker plot first, make sure it still allows for a few future movies and then figure out what villains and superheroes would work out the best. And I think Peter Parker should stay in his early twenties.

[Spidey-kid1]

Here's how you fix the Spidey franchise (If you saw SP3, you know why I went with the word "fix"):

1. Age Spidey a little bit, so that you can justify going with a new, older actor for the part. Cillian Murphy is a good contender, IMO.

2. Keep him and MJ separate. Play up the romantic tension, but toss another female lead in to complicate things. May I suggest Felicia Hardy/Black Cat?

3. Storyline: Dr. Connor finally goes Lizard-y, and the city of New York brings in a legendary big game hunter to put an end to the monster: Kraven. Of course, the guy clashes with Spidey because Pete's trying to save his friend, while Kraven wants a new trophy for the mantle. The whole thing practically writes itself.

No need to pay me, Marvel. I'm just doing my job.

The ideas great, but they had that exact same story line in the Spiderman 3 games.

I'm with you on a couple of points. 1) Spider-Man 3 was indeed a good film and 2) James Franco is a great actor.

That said, I think it would be VERY difficult to pull of a James Franco Peter Parker/Spider-Man going forward. I like that Harry died a hero in Spidey 3, but was sad because it meant that Franco was basically done with the Spidey movies.

I'd like to see them either go in with a bold move and have MJ die in a 4th film, really making the movie goer think "Wow, this villian (who ever that is) is a real bad ass!" and set up the most dramatic Spidey/Villian confrontation yet. The only villian I could see them using for something like this would be the Hobgoblin. Since they've used the Green Goblin, Venom, and Doc Ock, I don't know if there's a villian "worthy" enough outside of those three that could be the one to kill her off. This could also set the stage to develop a new love interest like Gwen, Betty, or someone else.
I agree with this post. One of my favorite things about the franchise was Peter and Harry's friendship. Now that Harry's gone it's just not the same.

I also agree with the love intrest thing, a little, but I want Peter and MJ to get married aready. They've been aluding towards it for two movies now. I just want it to happen.

[SoulStar]

If and when they do make a spidey 4. I would like one thing and one thing only
No major villians.
That's right I said it and I don't care. Hell I'll repeat.
No major villians.
Why? I'll be glad to explain.
I want the fourth film to be really ballsy and instead do a story similar to civil war, maybe with some cameos of famous marvel characters.
The government is sick of all these big battles going on between superhumans, so much in fact that they make a national statement saying that all known and unknown superhumans must register with the super human registration act, or be arrested on the spot. no questions asked.
This would be a great introductory to S.H.E.I.L.D. forces being deplyed into New York city to patrol any illegal activity.
Lots of moemnts to easily be had with spidey, mj, and aunt may. Very similar to the comics as they all know about pete's secret of being spiderman. They urge him to just go on and register before things get predictably bad.
An off story is Dr. Connors turning into the Lizard, but instead of just turning crazy with power, he decides to hide his shame and run away into the sewers. When time elapses in the film, the act has passed and now has become law. S.H.E.I.L.D. agents have a filed day rounding up plenty of marvel characters who all appear in cameo, with plenty of fights to go around. But the main story is pete finding out about connors, finds out where he ran off to and goes after him to save him from both the lizard virus and from S.H.E.I.L.D.
Predictably they might have a confrontaiton but that will be interrupted by SHEILD agents wanting both spidey and the lizard, forcing the two to defend themselves.
Spidey and the lizard will be on the lamb.
Lots of drama and lengthy dialougew later, some giant battle happens ontop fo the empire state building with the lizard vs. SHEILD and possibly Nick Fury.
MOst likely big explosions until finally everyone comes crashing down, and getting alot of media attention. Finally spidey will lose his mask while still fighting off agents and Fury and then at the end not only does everyone get a glimpse of PEter PArker as spiderman, but he ends up finding out SHEILD isn't as bad as he originally thought, comes to an understanding with Fury and then faces the public stating that he is in fact Spiderman and is proud of who he is and nothing can take that away. End of movie.
Wow that was lengthy lol.

[Blader5489]

Here's how you fix the Spidey franchise (If you saw SP3, you know why I went with the word "fix"):

Wanting to "fix" the series with suggestions like Cillian Murphy and the Black Cat--how ironic.

I want the fourth film to be really ballsy and instead do a story similar to civil war, maybe with some cameos of famous marvel characters.

That will never happen because different studios have the rights to different properties.

[Theophilus]

I agree that if Maguire/Dunst/Raimi stay on board they need to come up with a gameplan for another arc and film it consecutively.

However, I just get the sense that Raimi has said about all he has to say with the franchise, and I think that however wonderful Maguire and Dunst have done in the trilogy, the franchise will suffer from fatigue if they return. Honestly, we don't have a model for this sort of thing since no comic franchise has been as successful for as long as this one.

Most critics agreed that Maguire and Dunst seemed to have tired of the franchise somewhat. They still did good on the whole, but it seemed at certain points like their hearts weren't in this one as much as 2.

And I think the transition in actors would provide a good opportunity to bulk Spidey up a little. Not massive, but a little.

Like I said, I think this is a good chance to go into the Romita era. Pete's story has changed from the nerd who can't seem to cut a break to the potential ladiesman who just can't seem to get it together.

Also, I think they should scale back on the villains a bit and focus more on the feel. I mean, my model would be the 80s for this kind of thing. The look and feel of Romita with the wit and storytelling of Stern.

MJ can't really die in this one because that card's been played too much. It'd seem a little silly for her to die now after all she's survived. I think they could go with DeFalco's idea to have her leave him at the altar (or start it with her having already left). Then Pete could pick up with Gwen, and MJ could return and try to explain why she's afraid of committment.

[Will.S]

I'll tell you one thing, they've made several very easy way outs to make Venom a recurring character.

For one thing Eddie Brock kept emphasizing the "Jr." part of his name. The death of Eddie Jr. easily sets up for the father to blame Spider-Man for it. The second thing is we never actually saw Eddie Sr. although he was mentioned in the first movie. And third, there was some symbiote goop in Dr. Conner's lab and on the coat that Eddie Jr. threw away at the church so it's still out there.

Plus we could get the big bulkier Eddie Brock we all know and love and just say that his son was a huge f*ck up.

[Mister Mets]

If and when they do make a spidey 4. I would like one thing and one thing only
No major villians.
That's right I said it and I don't care. Hell I'll repeat.
No major villians.
Why? I'll be glad to explain.
I want the fourth film to be really ballsy and instead do a story similar to civil war, maybe with some cameos of famous marvel characters.
The government is sick of all these big battles going on between superhumans, so much in fact that they make a national statement saying that all known and unknown superhumans must register with the super human registration act, or be arrested on the spot. no questions asked.
This would be a great introductory to S.H.E.I.L.D. forces being deplyed into New York city to patrol any illegal activity.
Lots of moemnts to easily be had with spidey, mj, and aunt may. Very similar to the comics as they all know about pete's secret of being spiderman. They urge him to just go on and register before things get predictably bad.
An off story is Dr. Connors turning into the Lizard, but instead of just turning crazy with power, he decides to hide his shame and run away into the sewers. When time elapses in the film, the act has passed and now has become law. S.H.E.I.L.D. agents have a filed day rounding up plenty of marvel characters who all appear in cameo, with plenty of fights to go around. But the main story is pete finding out about connors, finds out where he ran off to and goes after him to save him from both the lizard virus and from S.H.E.I.L.D.
Predictably they might have a confrontaiton but that will be interrupted by SHEILD agents wanting both spidey and the lizard, forcing the two to defend themselves.
Spidey and the lizard will be on the lamb.
Lots of drama and lengthy dialougew later, some giant battle happens ontop fo the empire state building with the lizard vs. SHEILD and possibly Nick Fury.
MOst likely big explosions until finally everyone comes crashing down, and getting alot of media attention. Finally spidey will lose his mask while still fighting off agents and Fury and then at the end not only does everyone get a glimpse of PEter PArker as spiderman, but he ends up finding out SHEILD isn't as bad as he originally thought, comes to an understanding with Fury and then faces the public stating that he is in fact Spiderman and is proud of who he is and nothing can take that away. End of movie.
Wow that was lengthy lol.
It'll be hard to do the cameos as the rights to those characters are owned by other studios. You may be able to do a registration story with Spider-Man trying to stop SHIELD from going after the Lizard, when he knows something they don't know.

I think it'll be a bad idea to unmask the movie Spider-Man, as there's nowhere for that story to go for another few movies and it's radically different from what's happening in "Brand New Day"

I agree that if Maguire/Dunst/Raimi stay on board they need to come up with a gameplan for another arc and film it consecutively.

However, I just get the sense that Raimi has said about all he has to say with the franchise, and I think that however wonderful Maguire and Dunst have done in the trilogy, the franchise will suffer from fatigue if they return. Honestly, we don't have a model for this sort of thing since no comic franchise has been as successful for as long as this one.

Most critics agreed that Maguire and Dunst seemed to have tired of the franchise somewhat. They still did good on the whole, but it seemed at certain points like their hearts weren't in this one as much as 2.

And I think the transition in actors would provide a good opportunity to bulk Spidey up a little. Not massive, but a little.

Like I said, I think this is a good chance to go into the Romita era. Pete's story has changed from the nerd who can't seem to cut a break to the potential ladiesman who just can't seem to get it together.

Also, I think they should scale back on the villains a bit and focus more on the feel. I mean, my model would be the 80s for this kind of thing. The look and feel of Romita with the wit and storytelling of Stern.

MJ can't really die in this one because that card's been played too much. It'd seem a little silly for her to die now after all she's survived. I think they could go with DeFalco's idea to have her leave him at the altar (or start it with her having already left). Then Pete could pick up with Gwen, and MJ could return and try to explain why she's afraid of committment.
I don't remember any critics saying that Tobey/ Kirsten's hearts weren't in the franchise, nor do I really see how much that matters when hiring actors. Hell, you could write the script around it, featuring a fatigued and weary Peter and Mary Jane.

[BoosterBronze]

Flash forward five years to a married and successful MJ and Peter.

I do a full "Sinister Six-esque" group of supervillians, although without the Spidey-film trademark "we're really good people."

Shocker, Mysterio, Scorpion, and Lizard (Dr. Conners... ok he can still be a good people) all being manipulated by shadowy crime lord Michael Clarke Duncun... aka Kingpin.

I'd have the whole thing happen while Aunt May is dying, and as she dies (yes she dies) she can finally admit she knew all along Peter was Spidey.

[Mister Mets]

Flash forward five years to a married and successful MJ and Peter.

I do a full "Sinister Six-esque" group of supervillians, although without the Spidey-film trademark "we're really good people."

Shocker, Mysterio, Scorpion, and Lizard (Dr. Conners... ok he can still be a good people) all being manipulated by shadowy crime lord Michael Clarke Duncun... aka Kingpin.

I'd have the whole thing happen while Aunt May is dying, and as she dies (yes she dies) she can finally admit she knew all along Peter was Spidey.
And then what? What'll you do for Spider-Man 5?

[asloveislost]

And then what? What'll you do for Spider-Man 5?

Yep, nothing at all. They would've shot themselves in the foot...

[Sonicjuce]

Why not just make it a true trilogy. Stop Now. I am not even excited enough about Spider-Man 3 to have even bought it yet. I figure at this point I will just wait for an extended edition. That is the first time I didn't wake up on the day of a Spider-Man release and head to a store to buy it which followed by me watching it numerous times in the following days.

[Bulky Brent]

They could stop the movie franchise at this point if they wanted to but I still hoping one day they will decide to make a movie based on the clone saga I think that would make an interesting movie.

[sixela]

I think this particular franchise has run its course.

A reboot is needed a'la "Batman begins".

:evilsmile

[MythicBrawn]

The next arc should have MJ written out of it. No more Spidey saving helpless females. Gwen didn't play a big part in SM3 so it wouldn't be odd not to see her in SP4. Which leads into my point of introducing Felicia Hardy/Black Cat. Introducing her could improve the franchise's exposure. Somehow she should be intertwined with another villain like the Lizard or Kraven.

[Eye Doc]

The next arc should have MJ written out of it. No more Spidey saving helpless females. Gwen didn't play a big part in SM3 so it wouldn't be odd not to see her in SP4. Which leads into my point of introducing Felicia Hardy/Black Cat. Introducing her could improve the franchise's exposure. Somehow she should be intertwined with another villain like the Lizard or Kraven.

I have to agree with you about MJ. I think the movie audience would like to see Peter interact with another love interest in the next film to keep things fresh. I wouldn't kill MJ though. I'd just say she got a big break in the acting career and is currently in another part of the country performing.

If Sony decides that she has to stay, I still think the film would need another romantic rival. Felicia Hardy is perfect. She's the one girl MJ really can't compete with. IF not Felicia, I'd consider Gwen again or even Liz Allen, who has yet to show up in the series. The continuity is way different from the comics, so why not have Pete meet Liz in college instead of high school?

I'll probably get flamed for this, but Sony would be crazy to do a direct adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt. I don't mind seeing Kraven or Lizard in a Spidey film. But, the actual comic story would suck as a bigscreen movie. Why spend 150 mil + on a film where the hero is buried in a coffin for 50% of the movie? :confused: The story could work in a weekly TV series, but not a 2 hr. feature film.

[Toku King]

It might be cool in the future to have Michael Clarke Duncan(one of the most awesome actors ever!) reprise his role as the Kingpin.

[Toku King]

As I've said before.....

Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man 2: Dr. Octopus
Spider-Man 3: Sandman, Venom, and Green Goblin 2
Spider-Man 4: Hobgoblin, Electro, Sandman(good, brief), and Lizard(cameo)
Spider-Man 5: Kraven, Lizard, and Vulture(as Toomes only)
Spider-Man 6: Scorpion
Spider-Man 7: Electro, Scorpion, Vulture, Kraven, Mysterio, and Shocker

[Sean Whitmore]

It might be cool in the future to have Michael Clarke Duncan(one of the most awesome actors ever!) reprise his role as the Kingpin.

That'd be neat, if Fox and Sony could reach some kind of agreement.

If not, I wouldn't mind seeing some of the other Spidey gangsters. Hammerhead, in particular, would work well with Raimi's B-movie sensibilities.


SEAN

[PunisherFan]

As I've said before.....

Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man 2: Dr. Octopus
Spider-Man 3: Sandman, Venom, and Green Goblin 2
Spider-Man 4: Hobgoblin, Electro, Sandman(good, brief), and Lizard(cameo)
Spider-Man 5: Kraven, Lizard, and Vulture(as Toomes only)
Spider-Man 6: Scorpion
Spider-Man 7: Electro, Scorpion, Vulture, Kraven, Mysterio, and Shocker

way too many villains in all of those. and why Scorpion by himself? I would go with something like this
4: Kraven and Lizard
5: Mysterio and Electro
6: Menace.... nah just kidding. Maybe Chameleon no idea.

[CapnCaveman]

Where should the Spider-Man movie franchise go next?

Straight to video.

The franchise is done for at least 10 years until someone does a reboot à la Batman Begins or Superman Returns. The Spidey series was successful because of mass appeal, largely due to Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. Sure fanboys will go to any SM movie, but in order to gross $200 plus you need their girlfriends (real, not imaginary) to go to. And non-fans. I really don't think a move with a no-name actor in place will be able to attract anyone.

Besides, SM3 wasn't a great movie. There was too much going on and the story was only so-so. If they do want to make another moive, I would suggest dropping Mary Jane (with a prologue that says she went to LA to find herself) and bring in the Felicia Hardy/Black Cat as a love interest/anti-hero for Spidey to fight, then partner with. The main villain could be her boss the Kingpen or someone new like the Lizard or Mysterio (but definitely not both). Kraven the Hunter would also be an excellent choice as whomever played him could let their acting do the talking.

Since they won't get Macquire for the lead, find a decent-named actor with similar proportions, but then blow the budget on casting the Black Cat. Not just a hot chick, but someone who can act too.

The villains made the first three movies, specially Willen Dafoe, Alfred Molina and Thomas Hayden Church. My favourite movie was SM2 and I though they did an incredible job with Doctor Octapus. It will be tough to bring the character out of a guy with a fishbowl on his head, so I am reluctant about Mysterio. The Lizard works well as he is a sympathetic villain (like Sandman and Doc Ock to some degree in SM2). I think my favourite would be Kraven.

But if I was making the business decision, I would kill the franchise for at least a decade and then reboot it.

[Eye Doc]

Where should the Spider-Man movie franchise go next?

Straight to video.

The franchise is done for at least 10 years until someone does a reboot à la Batman Begins or Superman Returns. The Spidey series was successful because of mass appeal, largely due to Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. Sure fanboys will go to any SM movie, but in order to gross $200 plus you need their girlfriends (real, not imaginary) to go to. And non-fans. I really don't think a move with a no-name actor in place will be able to attract anyone.

Batman and Superman had to "reboot" for a couple of reasons.

The first being that there had been several years between the last films and the most recentn ones. Batman's last flick came out while George Clooney was still on ER. The last Superman flick was made in the 80's if I'm not mistaken.

Secondly, the films I mentioned sucked. Rebooting the franchises made sense. Batman really got it right by giving us a Batman story we'd never seen before. Superman crossed the 200 million mark, but it really didn't have much in terms of story.

Spider-Man as a franchise is much healtheier. For all of the griping I hear about it, it's still poised to be the biggest film of 2007 and it's the 3rd film in the series to make over 300 million dollars. Why would you wait 10 years to make another one?


Besides, SM3 wasn't a great movie.There was too much going on and the story was only so-so. I don't think it was great either. But, it's not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. I think it suceeeded in giving some closure to the Harry/Peter stroy from the 1st film and it's open ended conclusion alows the next writer/director to go in any direction they want.

Despite it's obvious flaws, I think it was still better than Superman Returns


If they do want to make another moive, I would suggest dropping Mary Jane (with a prologue that says she went to LA to find herself) and bring in the Felicia Hardy/Black Cat as a love interest/anti-hero for Spidey to fight, then partner with.

I think we totally agree on the above. :) See my previous post



The main villain could be her boss the Kingpen or someone new like the Lizard or Mysterio (but definitely not both). Kraven the Hunter would also be an excellent choice as whomever played him could let their acting do the talking.

That could work.


Since they won't get Macquire for the lead, find a decent-named actor with similar proportions, but then blow the budget on casting the Black Cat. Not just a hot chick, but someone who can act too.

Finding someone to play Felicia shouldn't be that difficult or expensive. You don't need an academy award actress to dress up in tights and be seductive. There's no way I'd pay her more than the guy who replaces Maguire (if it comes to that of course)


The villains made the first three movies, specially Willen Dafoe, Alfred Molina and Thomas Hayden Church. My favourite movie was SM2 and I though they did an incredible job with Doctor Octapus. It will be tough to bring the character out of a guy with a fishbowl on his head, so I am reluctant about Mysterio. The Lizard works well as he is a sympathetic villain (like Sandman and Doc Ock to some degree in SM2). I think my favourite would be Kraven.

I think Kraven could work, but I wouldn't want to see "Kraven's Last Hunt". That would suck as a feature film and do a lot more harm to the franchise than Spidey 3. Personally I'd like to see the Scorpion. Not only is he a formidable villian, but his presence would give JJJ more to do, especially if they stick to the original story from the Lee/Ditko era.


But if I was making the business decision, I would kill the franchise for at least a decade and then reboot it.

Gotta disagree. The last film was actually the biggest money maker worldwide. However, I would wait until I knew I had a good story and a solid director, a talented cast, and a great effects team in place before starting the next film. If Sony got everything in place by 2008/2009, why should they wait another eight years to produce a 4th Spider flick?

[CapnCaveman]

Good points. And I really like the Scorpion/JJJ idea.

[Toku King]

way too many villains in all of those

No, actually. It balances out pretty well. Each one is put into the film flawlessly, if my ideas work out.

and why Scorpion by himself?

Because he is enough for a two hour film. But I was struggling with whether or not make Adrian the Vulture for that movie, to lead up to the Sinister Six. Then I thought that maybe he forms the Sinister Six, introducing him as the Vulture.

[DeadXMan]

scorpion and rhino are just super powered thugs.

They don't have what it takes to be the headliners
now Mystero (played by Campbell) on the hand manipulating them all could definitely be cool for 4-6

[Toku King]

scorpion and rhino are just super powered thugs.

No, actually. You could really work him well into a story. And I mean well.

[JesseJay]

I don't see where everyone is getting this love for mysterio from. I'd put him on par with Rhino and Shocker at best. I can't imagine him masterminding anything. (but I would love to see Bruce campbell play him, tounge-in-cheek).

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't see where everyone is getting this love for mysterio from. I'd put him on par with Rhino and Shocker at best. I can't imagine him masterminding anything.

I think if most writers were asked, they'd say they could form a story around an operatic, Machievellian criminal who employs robots, hallucinogens, and holograms in his crimes a lot easier than they could around a big strong man who hits things.


SEAN

[Blader5489]

I like how people are suggesting Black Cat as a way to rejuvenate the movies, when in reality, a character like Black Cat would only kill the series.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

I think if most writers were asked, they'd say they could form a story around an operatic, Machievellian criminal who employs robots, hallucinogens, and holograms in his crimes a lot easier than they could around a big strong man who hits things.


SEAN

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/mysterio.jpg

[Sean Whitmore]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/mysterio.jpg

So...you're in favor of MORE singing in the next movie? ;)


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

I like how people are suggesting Black Cat as a way to rejuvenate the movies, when in reality, a character like Black Cat would only kill the series.

How so?

I could see it being mocked for ripping off Batman, but kill it?


SEAN

[Angelo2113]

I really think Kraven should be in the next movie. Almost like introduce the Lizard in the first half and then have Kraven try to capture and kill the Lizard for his trophy, with Peter helping Doctor Connors from being killed.

[RowdyRodimus]

Ok, my take is a little odd, but hear me out.

I like the idea of Kraven as the main villain, so he could be hired by a mysterious person we only see in shadows to destroy Spidey.

Kraven is also being tracked down by Silver Sable and her crew consisting of some nameless guys and Sandman (as a throwback to the Wild Pack days) who is trying to make a legitimate living to win back his wife and daughter. After all, 3 ended with him just flying away in a cloud of sand.

Blah blah blah..ending.

Then we cut to a villa in Europe where we see the mysterious benefactor who is none other than Norman Osborn. Which leads into Spidey 5.

[Angelo2113]

Ok, my take is a little odd, but hear me out.

I like the idea of Kraven as the main villain, so he could be hired by a mysterious person we only see in shadows to destroy Spidey.

Kraven is also being tracked down by Silver Sable and her crew consisting of some nameless guys and Sandman (as a throwback to the Wild Pack days) who is trying to make a legitimate living to win back his wife and daughter. After all, 3 ended with him just flying away in a cloud of sand.

Blah blah blah..ending.

Then we cut to a villa in Europe where we see the mysterious benefactor who is none other than Norman Osborn. Which leads into Spidey 5.

That would be sweet, and then maybe in the 5th one he gets the Sinister Six together, I want to see that. I think we need Peter Jackson to do the next 3 so he does them all together and we can expect a Spiderman movie every year for the next 3 years

[agirlyman]

Unmask him, then throw a gauntlet of villians at him, plus make some much needed hero cameos, in the end you could have one big bad villian mastermind behind it all.

Nuff said.

[TheAmazingSpider-Geek]

Unmask him, then throw a gauntlet of villians at him, plus make some much needed hero cameos, in the end you could have one big bad villian mastermind behind it all.

Nuff said.

Don't forget to have Mephisto show up and offer him a deal to defeat said mastermind in exchange for a key part of his mythos.

[Tobias Drake]

I want to say Carnage, but that would have to be NC-17 for excessive violence and brutality.

Lizard just seems like the most logical villain for the next movie.

[Sean Whitmore]

I want to say Carnage, but that would have to be NC-17 for excessive violence and brutality.

I see this sentiment expressed here a lot, and it just confuses me.

I'm pretty confident that the most violent Spider-Man comic ever, if adapted to a movie, wouldn't earn more than a PG-13.


SEAN

[Tobias Drake]

I see this sentiment expressed here a lot, and it just confuses me.

I'm pretty confident that the most violent Spider-Man comic ever, if adapted to a movie, wouldn't earn more than a PG-13.


SEAN

Allow me to rephrase: any movie that would actually do justice to Carnage would have to be rated NC-17. Carnage is a villain at home with slasher movie monsters that leave a trail of bodies in their wake; he's essentially a slasher movie villain with superpowers.

[Sean Whitmore]

Allow me to rephrase: any movie that would actually do justice to Carnage would have to be rated NC-17. Carnage is a villain at home with slasher movie monsters that leave a trail of bodies in their wake; he's essentially a slasher movie villain with superpowers.

Even then, isn't R the standard for slasher movies?

And that's at least partially because of all the nudity.


SEAN

[Mister Mets]

Allow me to rephrase: any movie that would actually do justice to Carnage would have to be rated NC-17. Carnage is a villain at home with slasher movie monsters that leave a trail of bodies in their wake; he's essentially a slasher movie villain with superpowers.
Except as Sean Whitmore pointed out, most of the comics he has appeared in would be at most PG-13 if made into movies.

I don't see where everyone is getting this love for mysterio from. I'd put him on par with Rhino and Shocker at best. I can't imagine him masterminding anything. (but I would love to see Bruce campbell play him, tounge-in-cheek).
He allows for really good special effects.

He's not a great mastermind, but can be one of Spider-Man's enemies. I could see him working well with Kraven or Scorpion, in a story in which he frames Spider-Man.

[jackups]

spidey 4
mj leaves to go act or somthing peter is still struggling with the fact he backhanded her
bring black cat they get close but peter overcomes his fellings and seeks out mj, leave new york maybe
get the lizard in its been built up so were ready
go to a two villaiin so maybe somone like kraven as it goeswell with spidey hunting the lizard and kraven hunting spidey
, then havea 3rd villain introduced as normal in tehis film and they get turnered into at the end so someone like ugh electro leave it on a cliffhanger if multiple movies made
and def make it a romita feel
MORE SPIDEY POSES AND FUNNY COME BACKS IN FIGHTS
MAKE PETER HAPPIER
some of those thing clash but hell there the things that kinda should be done

OH AND START THE FILM OFF WITH A FIGHT MAYBE SHOCKER ROBBING A BANK, SO IT GETS US RIGHT IN THERE also toy company will be happy then,
and for all the peeps who want rubbish villaisn or lesser known, for teh next spidey intro have little newspapers cuttings or news reel fo spidey fighting the diffrent ones

that pretty gd atm lol

[Blader5489]

spidey 4
mj leaves to go act or somthing peter is still struggling with the fact he backhanded her
bring black cat they get close but peter overcomes his fellings and seeks out mj, leave new york maybe
get the lizard in its been built up so were ready
go to a two villaiin so maybe somone like kraven as it goeswell with spidey hunting the lizard and kraven hunting spidey
, then havea 3rd villain introduced as normal in tehis film and they get turnered into at the end so someone like ugh electro leave it on a cliffhanger if multiple movies made
and def make it a romita feel
MORE SPIDEY POSES AND FUNNY COME BACKS IN FIGHTS
MAKE PETER HAPPIER
some of those thing clash but hell there the things that kinda should be done

OH AND START THE FILM OFF WITH A FIGHT MAYBE SHOCKER ROBBING A BANK, SO IT GETS US RIGHT IN THERE also toy company will be happy then,
and for all the peeps who want rubbish villaisn or lesser known, for teh next spidey intro have little newspapers cuttings or news reel fo spidey fighting the diffrent ones

that pretty gd atm lol

Did you think the script for SM3 was too crowded?

[jackups]

Did you think the script for SM3 was too crowded?

not really, s3 was my fav due to it feeling more like the stan lee era, with the film being more fun and more comedy orientated, plus it the most emotional
IM not sayign do all those in spidey 4 im saygin pick the bits from it.
its not really over crowding wiht havign a villain being defeated at the start

[jackups]

Oh yeah and maybe if spidey 4 showcases a hapier spiderman , in spiderman 5 we can remind the audience of how he always suffers by having aunt may die, :( would be very dark at points but proberly beatiful as well, having may know that pete is spidey, i dont know I guess its up to where te writer wants to go

[Bulky Brent]

He's not a great mastermind, but can be one of Spider-Man's enemies. I could see him working well with Kraven or Scorpion, in a story in which he frames Spider-Man.
a la 90s TV series I could definitely see that plot working also.

[TomServoFan]

I'd say let them have Lizard and perhaps Vulture for this new installment.

[The_Platinum_Surfer]

i think that they should put hob goblin in spider-man 4

[The_Platinum_Surfer]

maybe they should put in rhino in spidey 5

[Mister Mets]

i think that they should put hob goblin in spider-man 4
Welcome to the board.
With the Green Goblin in Spider-Man 1 and New Goblin in Spider-Man 3, I think Sony/ Marvel should wait a few films before using the Hobgoblin.

a la 90s TV series I could definitely see that plot working also.
I was thinking more a la Amazing Spider-Man #13, but pretty much. One possible way to do it. Have Quentin Beck working with Kraven, framing Spider-Man so Kraven's better able to hunt a popular superhero. You could later have Beck become Mysterio, trying to take the credit for defeating Spider-Man.

Kraven might become unhinged, allowing for the next movie to be a more straightforward Kraven's Last Hunt adaptation, with Lizard in Vermin's role.

[The_Platinum_Surfer]

i think you have a good point CyberMan

[The_Platinum_Surfer]

OH!!! i almost forgot to thank you for welcoming me to the board.... so thank you Cyberman

[Alan2099]

Here's some ideas.

Lately people have been acting weird around Peter. Asking him about things he can't remember doing. During this time he end up going to a psyciatrist to try to figure out what's wrong with him, but at the same time trying to hide his Spider-identity. Things get worse until one day, while going around the city, he sees ... Spider-man? To make matter worse, he goes home one day and finds he's already there. This leads him to discover the latest secret project at Osborn Enterprises, a scientist named Miles Warren has been trying to create a clone project for military use, creating what's essentially disposanle human beings, and one of his test projects was the recreation of Spider-man from some blood and webbing samples he's found. There was one success which got away (the one Peter meets) as well as a few other that, let's just say didn't turn out quite as well (the bitter deformed Kaine and the hideously mutated Doupleganger.)

The Clone Project will also come into play again, as something goes wrong with Norman's final project before his death. A lab accident combines the DNA or Harry and Norman, reacting badly with their Goblin process and turns them into the monsterous Demogoblin. Peter has to deal with a monster than never set out to be this way and is deep down, at least partly his friend.

Getting away from clones, let's go to Mysterio. Beck is a spcial effects wiz, who finds his funding cut when the studio instead decided to turn their attention away from his Sci-fi project to Spider-man: The Movie! Using his special effects, Beck tries to mimic Spider-man powers and apperance in order to discredit them and get his funding back. Also during this time, he uses the guise of the Alien Invader Mysterio to steal money to fund his projects as well. As a bonus, MJ gets a role in the Spider-man movie and sees it as her big break, but Peter doesn't like how it's portraying him to the public.

[gravling]

where i'd like to see the franchise go. . .

-incapacitate MJ in some way. break them up, put her in a coma, whatever.
-incorporate captain stacy, and gwen. they should have used gwen stacy in the first movie, considering how importnt she is (particularly her death and his role in it) to parker's psyche.
-bring in the lizard and (as a few people say) kraven
-throw a bunch of minor villains in there throughout in a nod to the comics, possibly at the beginning doing (as someone here said) a bank robbery. spidey stops it, you have a nice little all-action vignette to start the movie with.

oh, and at some point. . . two words: black cat. hell yes.

[Blader5489]

^The death of Gwen Stacy can't happen in a Spider-Man movie, especially now.

[Alan2099]

Why can't they?

[Mister Mets]

^The death of Gwen Stacy can't happen in a Spider-Man movie, especially now.
It could be done.

Peter breaks up with Mary Jane.
Peter starts dating Gwen.
Gwen dies.

You probably can't have Norman Osborn kill her, but it could be done.

[Blader5489]

Look at Ultimate Spider-Man. Gwen's death there was forced and totally unnecessary; a waste of a good character. It would be the same for the movies, especially with the current continuity where Gwen is more of a supporting character than the love of Peter's life (which is also like USM).

[jackups]

where i'd like to see the franchise go. . .

-incapacitate MJ in some way. break them up, put her in a coma, whatever.
-incorporate captain stacy, and gwen. they should have used gwen stacy in the first movie, considering how importnt she is (particularly her death and his role in it) to parker's psyche.
-bring in the lizard and (as a few people say) kraven
-throw a bunch of minor villains in there throughout in a nod to the comics, possibly at the beginning doing (as someone here said) a bank robbery. spidey stops it, you have a nice little all-action vignette to start the movie with.

oh, and at some point. . . two words: black cat. hell yes.

yeah i thought it woudl just hit the film off quickly , and also i dont like how the other films kinda put across that spiderman only has like a super foe every yr or so :P

[Alan2099]

yeah i thought it woudl just hit the film off quickly , and also i dont like how the other films kinda put across that spiderman only has like a super foe every yr or so :P
I thought when he asked "where do all these people come from?" when fighting the Sandman it suggetsed that he's had to deal with more than just three baddies so far.

[jackups]

I thought when he asked "where do all these people come from?" when fighting the Sandman it suggetsed that he's had to deal with more than just three baddies so far.

not really , it sounds more like just the other villains he faces in the other two films!

they really need to back this up, not hard, maybe with newspaper backgrounds int he daily bugle