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Head Control System
11-11-2007, 01:23 AM
The following may contain spoilers. :eek:

First off: I do not post this out of mean-spiritedness. I, like many other readers, have my fair share of grievances as far as WWH goes, but nonetheless, I am in debt to Marvel for providing me with an enjoyable avenue of killing time at work. My goal in this topic is to I present how I, were I the writer, would have approached the following issues in the pages of World War Hulk:

1. Jobbing. There's no question that Hulk can take on just about any of the earthbound heroes in the MU and come out on top, and that goes double for the current Hulk, who's the most angry he's ever been, AND the most controlled (there's a deadly combination if there ever was one). However, when whoever he goes up against acts out of character or isn't shown to be at the top of their game for unexplained reasons, it really diminishes the overall smash effect.

A lot of fights in WWH play out this way, and it's too bad, because writing them more believably would make for a much more satisfying read for all involved.

2. Moral ambiguity. This is probably the hardest pill to swallow as far as WWH goes for me. Hulk's actions are understandable, but the way the narrative frames them is haphazard. Hulk points the finger, accusing the Illuminati of exhiling him for being a monster when they are monsters as well; not only is this a dubious claim for the simple fact that neither Hulk (in a non-literal sense, of course :p ) nor the Illuminati are monsters, but the narrative proceeds to scrape together some flimsy justification for Hulk's actions, even though this guts the whole premise of them all being monsters.

A much better way to demonstrate the point of the Illuminati holding Hulk to a double-standard would have been to point out that the members of the Illuminati have caused or are capable of causing just as much (or more!) collateral damage than the Hulk in the course of their own histories. This not only does a better job of highlighting their high-handedness, but it allows the flow of events to convincingly vindicate Hulk.

Now, with that in mind, here's my issue-by-issue synopsis of WWH, as if I were writing it in such a way as to avoid the aforementioned pitfalls. Since I wrote most of these in a hurry, the dialogue is a little rough around the edges, but hopefully convey the gist of things.

Tell me what you think!

WWH #1 - Black Bolt

-BB receives a message from Hulk demanding an audience, lest "your kingdom suffer the same fate as mine." BB wonders what Hulk means and expresses worry over his apparent return. While noting that this Hulk appears more eloquent than he has ever been before, BB fears for what Hulk might be capable of, and agrees to meet with him (better safe than sorry). BB intends to go alone, but Medusa insists on coming with him.
-BB and Hulk face off with Medusa interpreting. BB orders Hulk to depart, promising not to trouble him if he does so. "Typical of a weak king to grovel when all he holds dear is at stake," Hulk mocks. BB coldly indicates that he is not afraid of Hulk. "My king has defeated you before and can do so again," Medusa translates. "My king's voice is unlike any other. It causes disruption on an atomic scale. If it can destroy a planet, just think of what it can do to you."
-BB notes Hulk's ship, and that Hulk must have arrived with friends.
-"I know how it works," Hulk snaps. "I used to be something of a genius," he towers over BB. "I am fully aware of what your king is capable of. He's made me more powerful than ever before." Hulk advances towards the Inhumans threateningly.
-"What is it you want?" Medusa asks. "Revenge," Hulk replies, almost upon the pair.
-"Enough," Black Bolt whispers. "You were warned," Medusa says, but when the dust clears, Hulk is still standing. He's pretty messed up, but his wounds are healing fast. "You underestimate me, Black Bolt," he growls as he again advances. "Last chance to stand down."
-"His fearsome voice is just one my king's many powers," Medusa says as Black Bolt uses his electron manipulation to transmute Hulk's forearms to stone. "My king could have vaporized you where you stand with a word or turned your whole body to stone, but he does not, because unlike you, he is merciful. A strong king knows the power of restraint."
-"..and that's your king's weakness," Hulk bites out, focusing all his strength into a tremendous blow to the surface of the moon that shatters his stone forearms. "You have to be willing to do anything to protect what's yours, be it your freedom--or your kingdom. I've heard your whisper, now I want to hear your scream!"
-Hulk's blow triggers a tremor so powerful that it threatens to collapse the moon. Worried about his people, BB uses his powers to contain the quake, holding the moon together, but in doing so, momentarily forgets Hulk. "Black Bolt!" Medusa cries as Hulk launches himself at the monarch, delivering a vicious kick to his windpipe that sends BB into orbit.
-BB is dazed and coughing up blood, but concern for Medusa and his people drive him back to the scene of the crime in short order despite his discomfort. "Guess I won't get to hear you scream after all," Hulk taunts, noting BB's collapsed throat, "but if you don't surrender, we will hear her scream," he promises, holding a barely conscious and bruised Medusa in a bear hug. "Sorry, Black Bolt, but as the most powerful of your cabal, you were the logical first choice. I, too, have lost a kingdom, but if you surrender, no harm will come to it--which is more than can be said for mine."
-"My king, no!" Medusa protests, but BB doesn't hesitate. He surrenders.
-Last panel: Hulk KO's him while promising "New York is next!"

This issue is narrated almost entirely by BB with some commentary from the Warbound, who observe the battle. We see that 1) Hulk is more powerful and more ruthless than ever, and 2) he's more focused and more cunning than ever, not playing his hand too soon, and coming at the Illuminati with a plan. The fight is not off-panel; Hulk takes BB by surprise, believably overpowering and disabling him, not leaving the reader to infer how Hulk obtained BB's cooperation. It's not BB's voice that knocks a chunk the size of Rhode Island off the moon, but Hulk's punch.

(I'll post the next one shortly. For the record, I originally posted these on GameFAQs Comics & Graphic Novels message board.)

CMBMOOL
11-11-2007, 11:34 AM
I must ask will the She-Hulk be involve within your version of the story ? :(

Kevinroc
11-11-2007, 04:46 PM
I woulda thought the Black Bolt fanboys would have stopped with all the jobbing talk considering recent revelations in other comics.

DaeJi
11-11-2007, 04:57 PM
It's good, but I would have preferred the Hulk to use some of the cunning he showed in Planet Hulk for his event. Instead of him just straight up beating Black Bolt, he would trick him, out think him and take him down through trickery. That's how I would have liked it to go.

seekquaze
11-11-2007, 06:05 PM
If the Hulk's arms have been transmitted into stone than he has no arms to attack with. Either that or or his ridiculous healing factor simply regrows them which is one of the problems the current series has. Hulk still doesn't employ any strategey. He just charges head on and hopes against hope that Black Bolt doesn't kill him. If he can simply turn the Hulk's arms to stone once why could he not again? I admit I am not familar with that aspect of Black Bolt's power, but when it gets down to it if that is part of his arsenal Black Bolt is just too powerful for the Hulk to attack head on. In WWH the reason it worked up until issue #4 was it seemed the Hulk caught black bolt by suprise and before the king could launch another attack. The whole "rhode island bit" doesn't make any sense because in the comic itself hulk was wounded from a whipser and an attack as powerful as ascribed should have either spread the Hulk across the landscape or simply flying off into space.

As I said before I don't know how often Black Bolt uses his transmutation abilities since most fights I've seen him in he usually uses his whisper, physical abilities, or energy attacks. But the problem is if Black Bolt employs nearly any of his other abilities save physical attacks the Hulk would have to go down hard.

The fight in the actual comic was fine till that Rhode Island crap.

ddqfpluskick
11-11-2007, 09:11 PM
The only thing I would have is in the end.......




Armory gets a major apology and her tactigon returned to her!

ivesaidway2much
11-12-2007, 09:46 AM
2. Moral ambiguity. This is probably the hardest pill to swallow as far as WWH goes for me. Hulk's actions are understandable, but the way the narrative frames them is haphazard. Hulk points the finger, accusing the Illuminati of exhiling him for being a monster when they are monsters as well; not only is this a dubious claim for the simple fact that neither Hulk (in a non-literal sense, of course :p ) nor the Illuminati are monsters, but the narrative proceeds to scrape together some flimsy justification for Hulk's actions, even though this guts the whole premise of them all being monsters.That was exactly the point of the scene. The Hulk was showing them how much it sucks to be tried and judged with flimsy evidence and no opportunity to defend yourself. Not because he was looking for vindication (otherwise he would have just let them go), but because he was pissed off and looking for some retribution. The Hulk isn't the kind of guy to go seeking the moral high ground, he prefers to point out what jerks the people who judge him are. But even if he was that kind of guy, he's not exactly in the right emotional state for it right now.

That's the main problem I have with your story. The Hulk believes the Illuminati murdered his family and his planet. He's being far too reasonable and engaging in way too many attempts at witty banter with Black Bolt. He's too angry to be going after Illuminati members like that. The only talking he should be doing is towards third parties or on the way to punching Illuminati members in the face. That and attacking Medusa for no reason, and almost killing a city full of innocent people isn't really his style.

Funkdmonkey
11-12-2007, 04:27 PM
Wow, just imagining that BlackBolt/Hulk fight brings a smile to my face. While it may be very simple, simply having the fight occur is extremely refreshing. The fact that it happened off-panel really frustrates me now! I don't care if Blackbolt annihilated Hulk or if the Hulk made a paste out of Blackbolt, having a fight we are able to witness and analyze would be incredible.

While I think Blackbolt could've beat Hulk in the right situation, he deserved to lose this time around. Given the scenario in that issue, if Blackbolt actually managed to "defeat" the Hulk, than surely the Warbound would have been able to finish the job. The odds were stacked against him, and heck, its arguable that Hulk's current incarnation could've been a match for Blackbolt even in ideal situations. It's so hard to tell when both characters have apparently no limits on their powers.

DaeJi
11-12-2007, 04:30 PM
Wow, just imagining that BlackBolt/Hulk fight brings a smile to my face. While it may be very simple, simply having the fight occur is extremely refreshing. The fact that it happened off-panel really frustrates me now! I don't care if Blackbolt annihilated Hulk or if the Hulk made a paste out of Blackbolt, having a fight we are able to witness and analyze would be incredible.

While I think Blackbolt could've beat Hulk in the right situation, he deserved to lose this time around. Given the scenario in that issue, if Blackbolt actually managed to "defeat" the Hulk, than surely the Warbound would have been able to finish the job. The odds were stacked against him, and heck, its arguable that Hulk's current incarnation could've been a match for Blackbolt even in ideal situations. It's so hard to tell when both characters have apparently no limits on their powers.

Honestly, the fight was probably that BB was too close to his city to really let loose, and the Hulk just wailed on him before he could react.

Kevinroc
11-12-2007, 04:37 PM
Wow, just imagining that BlackBolt/Hulk fight brings a smile to my face. While it may be very simple, simply having the fight occur is extremely refreshing. The fact that it happened off-panel really frustrates me now! I don't care if Blackbolt annihilated Hulk or if the Hulk made a paste out of Blackbolt, having a fight we are able to witness and analyze would be incredible.

While I think Blackbolt could've beat Hulk in the right situation, he deserved to lose this time around. Given the scenario in that issue, if Blackbolt actually managed to "defeat" the Hulk, than surely the Warbound would have been able to finish the job. The odds were stacked against him, and heck, its arguable that Hulk's current incarnation could've been a match for Blackbolt even in ideal situations. It's so hard to tell when both characters have apparently no limits on their powers.


Since Black Bolt has been revealed to be a Skrull, it still bothers you?

Hrungr
11-12-2007, 05:06 PM
Honestly, the fight was probably that BB was too close to his city to really let loose, and the Hulk just wailed on him before he could react.
I beg to differ on this point. We do know from issue #4 that BB used enough power to blow a piece off the moon the size of Rhode Island in an effort to stop the Hulk and it wasn't enough.

Head Control System
11-12-2007, 06:10 PM
From Kevinroc:

"I woulda thought the Black Bolt fanboys would have stopped with all the jobbing talk considering recent revelations in other comics."

It's a bit soon to bust out the personal attacks, isn't it? Far from being a Black Bolt "fanboy," I feel that his powerset, used to its maximum effect, trumps that of Hulk's. His voice isn't a remarkably loud noise; it causes disruption on an atomic level, and electron manipulation affords him a whole variety of conceivable ways to take down Hulk, not to mention his strength and durability are far from shabby. On top of all this, Black Bolt possesses genius-level intellect, if I'm not mistaken.

Now, that said, Hulk definitely has the ability to overpower BB, especially if he takes him by surprise. To me, seeing our protagonist go up against long odds and come out on top by giving it all he's got is what makes for an exciting encounter. Prior to WWH, I had been looking forward to this battle for that very reason, only for the bout to be left off-panel. Showing just how it went down is something I definitely wanted to change.

If the fight was kept-off panel because of the recent revelation about BB (although the specifics aren't clear yet), it's totally understandable; I wrote this before that information was leaked. If I were in charge of WWH, I would have done my best to change the placement of the story so that we could get the real Black Bolt in on it.

From DaeJi:

"It's good, but I would have preferred the Hulk to use some of the cunning he showed in Planet Hulk for his event. Instead of him just straight up beating Black Bolt, he would trick him, out think him and take him down through trickery. That's how I would have liked it to go."

Me too! I was tried to do a little of that while also showing that the Hulk is not only smarter than ever, but stronger than ever, while also trying not to make things too drawn out. It is the first issue of a big event, after all.

How would you have envisioned the Black Bolt/War Hulk confrontation?

From seekquaze:

"If the Hulk's arms have been transmitted into stone than he has no arms to attack with. Either that or or his ridiculous healing factor simply regrows them which is one of the problems the current series has."

Hulk's healing factor is just that good. I envisioned his forearms being turned to stone, and him smashing them, allowing new forearms to grow. I think it's a little much, myself, but some of the charm of WWH is the fact that we are dealing with characters who are very, very tough. I tried to do my best to show Black Bolt as being taken by surprise; Hulk beats him by using the fact that Black Bolt underestimated him against Black Bolt and being smart enough not to allow BB to use his full power.

In the real WWH, Hulk recovers from devasting blows in a matter of panels, and his ability to resist transmutation is precedented.

As for your points about WWH's characterization of Hulk and treatment of moral ambiguity in general, ivesaidway2much, I believe you highlighted the weaknesses of the arc. If Hulk really believed the Illuminati murdered his family and his planet, he would not be pulling his punches the way he has in WWH; he would be putting the Illuminati down, much as he threatened to, and yet time and time again in WWH, we are shown a reasonable side of Hulk (in contrast to the one who gives the thumbs down) who is only out to repay those who wronged him. That is the side of the current Hulk that appeals to me most, and the one I would portray were I writing WWH; that is, the thinking Hulk whose rage acts as a catharsis, focusing and honing his power in a frighteningly calculating manner. In my version of events, Hulk has not leapt to any conclusions regarding the explosion on Sakaar; he's out to prove a point to the people who caused him pain, and to uncover the truth.

Also, you misunderstood my point. The justification for Hulk's actions, in his mind, are not flimsy, as he's getting revenge upon the Illuminati for wrongfully putting him through an ordeal. The flimsy justification comes from the narrative, from Hulk's supposedly never killing anyone as a result of collateral damage, which makes the Illuminati out to be morons as well as bigots, to contriving to make Strange look bad for the sake of playing up Hulk's cause.

Hulk's moonquake was a deliberate attempt to distract Black Bolt; BB's playing into Hulk's hands was meant to highlight how dangerous a thinking Hulk is. It was a gamble on his part, but ends-justifying-means is a recurring characteristic of the current Hulk, and this is an illustration of how sure of himself he is.

WWH #2 - Iron Man

-Issue starts with the rest of the Illuminati minus Xavier convening to discuss the Hulk problem. He's delivered an ultimatum: New York has 24 hours to evacuate. The remaining members of the Illuminati are to turn themselves over willingly, or he's going to start smashing things, starting with Black Bolt.
-Namor tells everyone "I told you so" and that Atlantis will be sitting this one out.
-Reed is worried that Hulk managed to take out BB so fast; he must be madder than ever.
-Strange, repentant, says they have made a mistake and have to accept responsibility for what they've done. Tony refuses to give in to Hulk, because he has a planet to protect. Strange states he'll find a way to simultaneously resolve the conflict and "redeem the Hulk" while warning Tony not to do anything too brash.
-Strange exits, leaving Tony and Reed, whom Stark orders to start working on a plan to take out Hulk. Reed asks Stark what he's going to do, and Stark replies, "Buy time."
-Next scene takes place on Hulk's ship. Hulk and co. receive a message from Tony informing Hulk that they cannot turn over the brightest mind on the planet or its mystical benefactor, no matter what. Hulk taunts the restrained BB, calling the Illuminati a bunch of cowardly dogs for abandoning one of their own, and tells him he owes his life to the fact that Hulk "isn't the monster you would make me out to be."
-Hulk and the Warbound land in New York. The whole thing is being televised. Hulk calmly states that since the Illuminati have failed to give in, they are going to have to face the consequences.
-Before he can finish, Optimus Prime Tony blasts him with a souped-up repulsor ray. Hulk is not fazed. "Am I a dog, that you come at me with sticks?" the green Goliath taunts.
-"Sticks?" Tony replies. "While you are trapped in the past, nursing old wounds, I live in the future, preventing injury from ever occurring. I've been preparing in case of your return since day one. Let me introduce you to my new anti-Hulk armor."
-"Bring it on," Hulk snarls, leaping at Tony and landing a devastating blow. He is a little surprised to see Tony relatively unharmed. "I made this suit with you in mind," Stark says. "Now, what have you done with Black Bolt?"
-"You'll be able to ask him yourself in a few moments," Hulk says, forebodingly. "My God, if you've so much as touched him, you're going to pay in spades," Tony promises.
-Hulk closes the gap between them and tackles Tony, pinning him and raining down blows, which the armor is taking surprisingly well. Hulk: "Your new toy's tough, but it's too bulky and slow to keep up with me." Tony: "In close quarters, apparently."
-Tony uses his repulsors to blast Hulk off of him, then attempts to take to the sky. Hulk: "You're not running away from this one, Stark." Hulk's powerful legs propel him through the air and into Tony, who finds himself grounded. Stark: "Nice shot, but this exoskeleton can stand thousands of megatons of force!"
-Hulk: "How about a hundred thousand?" Hulk punches Tony into the bottom of a skyscraper, then claps with enough power to level a city block, causing the skyscraper to collapse upon Tony. The Warbound cheer Hulk on, but out of the rubble comes Stark, looking banged up but still functional.
-Tony: "You've hit me with everything I've got. Now, it's my turn." Stark launches flash-bang grenades while remote-controlled armors overhead blanket Stark and Hulk in disorienting chaff. Tony then activates a cloaking device. "You coward," Hulk growls, swinging wildly.
-Out of nowhere Tony hits Hulk, who falls to the ground, writhing in pain. Tony: "Multiple adamantium-tipped needles concealed in the forearm of my suit have just injected you with millions of the nanites that I used to depower your cousin." Hulk: "I'm not my cousin."
-Hulk rips off the offending arm and punches Tony into a building, but stumbles as he advances, feeling the crippling effects of the nanites. "I warned you," Tony gloats, and begins to lay a merciless one-armed beat-down on Hulk, who is losing power. "Brains beat brawn."
-"Please, stop," Hulk, who is starting to take on the features of Banner, begs, "you're killing me!" Tony, knowing the world is watching, hesitates. Hulk sucker punches him with everything he has, putting his fist clear through Tony's chest. "You're right. Brains do beat brawn."
-"I thought, I thought-" Tony sputters. "You thought wrong, Tony," Hulk says as he bashes Optimus Tony's head in, his anger beginning to overcome the nanites. "Trust me: Banner feels the same way I do. You and your friends are responsible for any and all deaths that occur as a result of this war, because you wanted war when you could have averted it at any time."
-Last panel: Hulk standing victorious over Iron Man's remains. "Who's next?"

Has Hulk become a killer?!

Next post will contain the rest of the issues. Keep in mind this is more for good fun than anything else. I would like to hear how everyone else would have liked WWH as a whole to have gone down, too!

CMBMOOL
11-12-2007, 06:47 PM
Man, it like Hulk tricked Strange in #3 of WWH but only better.
:D


Still no sign of the She-Hulk, but is she still going to be making an appearance in this version, since it is her cousin. :(

Still going good so far, I can't wait to see the other heroes try to take him on. :D