Complete Cataclysm Titles and Reading Order

[artrimbaud]

Anyone know of a resource where I can find the titles and reading order for Cataclysm, Road to No Man's Land, No Man's Land, and Aftershock? I'm not looking for anyone to go through the trouble of posting all the issues, just a website or book or something.

Thanks.

-b.

P.S. Never mind. I found it on Wikipedia. Thanks.

[artrimbaud]

Just in case anyone was interested... (gotten from several sources on the web, including Wikipedia and http://thebatsquad.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board=current&action=print&num=1119730956)

Cataclysm reading order:

Prelude: Detective Comics #719
Part 1: Shadow of the Bat #73
Part 2: Nightwing #19
Part 3: Batman #553
Part 4: Azrael #40
Part 5: Detective Comics #720
Part 6: Catwoman #56
Part 7: Robin #52
Part 8: Batman: Blackgate - Isle of Men #1
Part 9: Shadow of the Bat #74
Part 10: The Batman Chronicles #12
Part 11: Nightwing #20
Part 12: Batman #554
Part 13: Batman: Huntress/Spoiler - Blunt Trauma #1
Part 14: Detective Comics #721
Part 15: Catwoman #57
Part 16: Batman: Arkham Asylum - Tales of Madness #1
Conclusion: Robin #53


Aftershock:

Shadow of the Bat 75
Detective Comics 722
Robin 54
Batman 555
Batman 556
Shadow of the Bat 76
Detective Comics 724
Batman 557
Shadow of the Bat 77
Detective Comics 725
Batman 558
Shadow of the Bat 78
Batman Chronicles 14
Detective Comics 726
Batman 559
Shadow of the Bat 79


Road to No Man's Land:

Azrael 47
Azrael 48
Shadow of the Bat 80
Batman 560
Detective Comics 727
Detective Comics 728
Detective Comics 729
Batman 561
Batman 562
Shadow of the Bat 81
Shadow of the Bat 82
(note Azrael 47 and Shadow of the Bat 80 are physically the same book).


No Man's Land reading order:

1) No Man's Land #1 - No Law and a New Order
2) Shadow of the Bat #83
3) Batman #563
4) Detective Comics #730
5) Azrael #50
6) Azrael #51
7) Legends of the Dark Knight #116
8) Shadow of the Bat #84
9) Batman #564
10) Detective Comics #731
11) Legends of the Dark Knight #117
12) Shadow of the Bat #85
13) Batman #565
14) Detective Comics #732
15) Legends of the Dark Knight #118
16) Shadow of the Bat #86
17) Detective Comics #733
18) Azrael #52
19) Azrael #53
20) Batman Chronicles #16
21) Legends of the Dark Knight #119
22) Shadow of the Bat #87
23) Batman #566
24) Azrael #54
25) Azrael #55
26) Young Justice - No Man's Land Special
27) Batman Chronicles #17
28) Batman #567
29) Detective Comics #734
30) Nightwing (2nd series) #34
31) Robin (4th series) #67
32) Legends of the Dark Knight #120
33) Azrael #56
34) Azrael #57
35) Shadow of the Bat #88
36) Batman #568
37) Detective Comics #735
38) Legends of the Dark Knight #121
39) Batman - Harley Quinn
40) Nightwing (2nd series) #35
40.5) Nightwing (2nd series) - Secret Files and Origins
41) Nightwing (2nd series) #36
42) Nightwing (2nd series) #37
43) Catwoman (2nd series) #72
44) Catwoman (2nd series) #73
45) Catwoman (2nd series) #74
46) Robin (4th series) #68
47) Robin (4th series) #69
48) Robin (4th series) #70
49) Shadow of the Bat #89
50) Batman #569
51) Detective Comics #736
52) Batman Chronicles #18
53) Legends of the Dark Knight #122
54) Shadow of the Bat #90
55) Batman #570
56) Detective Comics #737
57) Azrael #58
58) Batman #571
59) Detective Comics #738
60) Legends of the Dark Knight #123
61) Shadow of the Bat #91
62) Nightwing (2nd series) #38
63) Nightwing (2nd series) #39
64) Legends of the Dark Knight #124
65) Shadow of the Bat #92
66) Batman #572
67) Detective Comics #739
68) Legends of the Dark Knight #125
69) Robin (4th series) #71
70) Robin (4th series) #72
71) Robin (4th series) #73
71.5) No Man's Land Secret Files
72) Catwoman (2nd series) #75
73) Azrael #59
74) Shadow of the Bat #93
75) Azrael #60
76) No Man's Land #0 - Ground Zero
77) Batman #573
78) Detective Comics #740
79) Catwoman (2nd series) #76
80) Catwoman (2nd series) #77
81) Legends of the Dark Knight #126
82) Batman #574
83) Detective Comics #741
84) Azrael #61
85) Shadow of the Bat #94

[snipe]

Just in case anyone was interested... (gotten from several sources on the web, including Wikipedia and http://thebatsquad.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board=current&action=print&num=1119730956)

Thanks for the plug!

[The Xenos]

Wow. I think I own all of those issues. I remember it when it came out. I actully didn't mind the crossover because on the plus side I got a weekly comic.

[PunisherFan]

I have all the No Man's Land trades... all5. What a huge crossover. I liked it though. it was different

[artrimbaud]

I have all the No Man's Land trades... all5. What a huge crossover. I liked it though. it was different

That's actually why I was looking for the list of issues. Because I had heard that not all the issues were contained in the trades. I read the same thing on Wikipedia.

...In all, "No Man's Land" encompassed 80 regular monthly issues, 4 specials, and the Batman: Harley Quinn graphic novel, which introduced Harley Quinn to the DC Comics universe....The core storyline is collected as trade paperbacks in five volumes. However, because of the large number of issues that were devoted to "No Man's Land," only 40 of them made it into the collections...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man's_Land_(comics)

[Captain Jim]

That's actually why I was looking for the list of issues. Because I had heard that not all the issues were contained in the trades. I read the same thing on Wikipedia.

That's correct. However, most were collected, and certainly all that are essential to follow the storyline.

[Batman was taken]

That's actually why I was looking for the list of issues. Because I had heard that not all the issues were contained in the trades. I read the same thing on Wikipedia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man's_Land_(comics)

Based on my (Limited) knowledge, I think it's just the issues of Shadow that aren't collected. I may be wrong, as I don't have the trades...

[Captain Jim]

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.

[Batman was taken]

Yeah, I was way off:p

I decided to look it up. They have all but the following collected:
Secret Files & Origins 1
YJ Special 1
Tec 737
Batman 570
Legends 122-124
Shadow 89-91
Batman Chronicles 17
None of the Catwoman, Robin, Nightwing, or Azrael issues...

I'm pretty sure that's accurate. That's actually a lot they skipped over.

[Brack360]

Yeah, I was way off:p

I decided to look it up. They have all but the following collected:
Secret Files & Origins 1
YJ Special 1
Tec 737
Batman 570
Legends 122-124
Shadow 89-91
Batman Chronicles 17
None of the Catwoman, Robin, Nightwing, or Azrael issues...

I'm pretty sure that's accurate. That's actually a lot they skipped over.


It's actually not very much. Catwoman, Robin, Azrael, and Nightwing were not part of the main storyline and did not cross-over with the main Batman books or each other. Some issues of those series were labeled as NML tie-ins simply because they were set against the backdrop of NML.

Most of what was not collected was simply fluff that was not important to the overall storyline and was not all that great either. Of particular bad note are the story arcs "Low Road to Golden Mountain" (where Batman lets a young girl working in a sweatshop die and shows little regard for human life), "The Code" (where Harley Quinn takes tips from romance novels to impress the Joker), and "Underground Railroad" (which has inconsistencies concerning how people can get in and out of the NML), none of which are in TPB. These story arcs stood out to me as bad because the bulk of NML was excellent and, in my opinion, the best Batman crossover by far.

[Batman was taken]

It's actually not very much. Catwoman, Robin, Azrael, and Nightwing were not part of the main storyline and did not cross-over with the main Batman books or each other. Some issues of those series were labeled as NML tie-ins simply because they were set against the backdrop of NML.

Most of what was not collected was simply fluff that was not important to the overall storyline and was not all that great either. Of particular bad note are the story arcs "Low Road to Golden Mountain" (where Batman lets a young girl working in a sweatshop die and shows little regard for human life), "The Code" (where Harley Quinn takes tips from romance novels to impress the Joker), and "Underground Railroad" (which has inconsistencies concerning how people can get in and out of the NML), none of which are in TPB. These story arcs stood out to me as bad because the bulk of NML was excellent and, in my opinion, the best Batman crossover by far.


I haven't read it yet... I'm almost there though! I'm working my way through from year one to now... I was out of comics for a few years.

My saying a lot of stuff wasn't collected was based on the number of issues not in the trades, not knowing what the content was...

[artrimbaud]

It's actually not very much. Catwoman, Robin, Azrael, and Nightwing were not part of the main storyline and did not cross-over with the main Batman books or each other. Some issues of those series were labeled as NML tie-ins simply because they were set against the backdrop of NML.

Most of what was not collected was simply fluff that was not important to the overall storyline and was not all that great either. Of particular bad note are the story arcs "Low Road to Golden Mountain" (where Batman lets a young girl working in a sweatshop die and shows little regard for human life), "The Code" (where Harley Quinn takes tips from romance novels to impress the Joker), and "Underground Railroad" (which has inconsistencies concerning how people can get in and out of the NML), none of which are in TPB. These story arcs stood out to me as bad because the bulk of NML was excellent and, in my opinion, the best Batman crossover by far.

So I just happen to have all of those issues listed. I also have the 5 No Man's Land trades. I guess my question is, which should I read? I would usually come to the conclusion that it would be better to read the issues in order. But Brack360 seems to think that the issues not included in the trades aren't worth reading. Like I said, I already have the issues, so perhaps I should go ahead and read them anyway?

Thoughts?

-b.

[Brack360]

So I just happen to have all of those issues listed. I also have the 5 No Man's Land trades. I guess my question is, which should I read? I would usually come to the conclusion that it would be better to read the issues in order. But Brack360 seems to think that the issues not included in the trades aren't worth reading. Like I said, I already have the issues, so perhaps I should go ahead and read them anyway?

Thoughts?

-b.

If you already have those issues, you should definitely read them anyway. You may end up liking them, for all I know. I just wanted to put out that I didn’t think they were all that great and that it really isn’t necessary to track down those back issues from years ago to understand the main storyline in the TPB’s.

[Captain Jim]

Catwoman, Robin, Azrael, and Nightwing were not part of the main storyline and did not cross-over with the main Batman books or each other.

Actually, I seem to recall that some of the Azrael and Catwoman issues (especially toward the end) DO cross-over with the main Batman books.

[Brack360]

Actually, I seem to recall that some of the Azrael and Catwoman issues (especially toward the end) DO cross-over with the main Batman books.

I am positive that they do not. I don't even have all of the Azrael issues and did not miss any of the major storyline going on in the main books. Catwoman also did not directly cross-over either. Catwoman's main involvement in NML was retrieving discs for Batman that contained records of who owned real estate in Gotham. That storyline was self-contained in her series, though I believe she returned the discs to Batman in an issue of a main Batman book.

[Captain Jim]

I guess it comes down to what you consider a "crossover." If you mean it has to say "continued in Azrael #whatever", then you're right, of course. But the Azrael and Catwoman storylines do shed further light on what is happening in the main titles and relate to the main storyline.