Wonder Woman #14 (Gail's first issue!) preview

[KevinTBrown]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=135754

Wow.

Just wow......

:)

[TCJohnson]

hmmm.....really can't stand the character, but love Gail's writing. Hmmm.....

[beetlebum]

You can't stand her? How is that humanly possible? :confused:

And the anticipation is killing me. I can't wait! http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/giddy8us.gif


('cept you know, I have ta. *grumble*) http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/a18.gif

[The Mutt]

At last! A writer that remembers that Diana's lasso is MAGIC!

[shrike]

sorry for cursing but the first thing that went through my mind was: 'holy fucking shit!'

Diana, in a handful of pages, goes from, being a warrior, to showing a sense of humor, to a warrior again, and then diplomat. The only thing that boggles my mind is that the higher ups didn't choose Gail the first time around. Wow... just... wow. :) :) :)

Two word summary: I'M SOLD!

Thank you for the link Kevin!

[shrike]

You can't stand her? How is that humanly possible? :confused:



Because a ton of writers don't understand the basic concept of Wondy (see: Geoff Johns for example) so they tend to write her like crap.

No one is interested in a crappy bland character.

[Cayman]

Great preview - love seeing Diana kick butt.

[JKCarrier]

Very neat sequence. The snarky humor ("Oh my." "Most fearsome.") seems a little un-Diana-ish to me, but "My hand is empty. My mind is open" is dead on. Love the bit where she tosses the gorilla over the falls.

[Gail Simone]

Wait'll you guys see what happens next. ;)

I don't want people to get the impression that it's ALL fun and games, though...there's some very disturbing stuff coming up.

But a lot of fun stuff, too. Truthfully, I don't think I've ever loved writing a book so much, and that's saying a LOT.

Thanks for the kind words. Just a few more days!

Gail

[beetlebum]

Because a ton of writers don't understand the basic concept of Wondy (see: Geoff Johns for example) so they tend to write her like crap.

No one is interested in a crappy bland character.

Tell us how you really feel. :rolleyes: :p
Though sadly there is truth in that statement
Gail will redeem the that which was once deemed irremediable and make Diana great. :)

[Gail Simone]

sorry for cursing but the first thing that went through my mind was: 'holy fucking shit!'

Diana, in a handful of pages, goes from, being a warrior, to showing a sense of humor, to a warrior again, and then diplomat. The only thing that boggles my mind is that the higher ups didn't choose Gail the first time around. Wow... just... wow. :) :) :)

Two word summary: I'M SOLD!

Thank you for the link Kevin!

YAY!

I always feel like if YOU like a book, I did something right!

:)

Thanks!

Gail

[Alan Lynch]

Can't access the preview, don't care. This book is on order regardless. My first ever Wonder Woman comic as well, by the way - I'm a blank slate here.

[Cayman]

Wait'll you guys see what happens next. ;)

I don't want people to get the impression that it's ALL fun and games, though...there's some very disturbing stuff coming up.

But a lot of fun stuff, too. Truthfully, I don't think I've ever loved writing a book so much, and that's saying a LOT.

Thanks for the kind words. Just a few more days!

Gail

Is there any Nemesis in this issue?

[KevinTBrown]

Because a ton of writers don't understand the basic concept of Wondy (see: Geoff Johns for example) so they tend to write her like crap.

No one is interested in a crappy bland character.

Let's face it though, it's incredibly difficult to write an iconic character such as Wonder Woman or Superman. EVERYONE has their idea what the character should be like, sound like, act like, etc. Some get it, some don't, some just don't give a flying fuck.

I loved Greg Rucka's run on the book, and I know I'll love Gail's. However, they're each writing/have written Diana differently.

I'm just looking forward to Diana FINALLY getting some sort of stability now. For well over a year, it's been nothing but turmoil for this title.

[Rattlehead]

That looks awesomely cool. It's nice to see the confident Diana back, and kicking ass like only she knows how. This is going to turn out to be one of the definitive runs of the character, I just know it.

[the4thpip]

On the next page, Circe turns Wonder Woman into clay, and Nemesis and Green Arrow have to save her. ;)

[berk]

Gotta say, the preview doesn't allay my scepticism. The Superman reference really turned me off: does this character have to be continually referenced as the be-all and end-all in every single DC book? Not exactly the best way to go about raising WW to a status equal to the big two, IMO. And the fight with the gorillas, while well-written for what it is, struck me as just another example of the old fall-back technique of building up the protagonist by having them thrash some cannon fodder.

The only thing I thought showed promise was the idea that the gorillas had been misled, and WW's attempt to switch from fighting to discussion ASAP; very much in the spirit of her mythic ancestress, Athena.

[Gail Simone]

Gotta say, the preview doesn't allay my scepticism. The Superman reference really turned me off: does this character have to be continually referenced as the be-all and end-all in every single DC book? Not exactly the best way to go about raising WW to a status equal to the big two, IMO. And the fight with the gorillas, while well-written for what it is, struck me as just another example of the old fall-back technique of building up the protagonist by having them thrash some cannon fodder.

The only thing I thought showed promise was the idea that the gorillas had been misled, and WW's attempt to switch from fighting to discussion ASAP; very much in the spirit of her mythic ancestress, Athena.

All is not as it seems with the gorillas. Just a few more days and you'll see what I mean.

And the Superman comment, I don't read it the way you have, actually. I think WW is being a little bit coy, there.

Gail

[Corrina]

Okay. THIS is a character that I would love to read.

[TCJohnson]

Let's face it though, it's incredibly difficult to write an iconic character such as Wonder Woman or Superman. EVERYONE has their idea what the character should be like, sound like, act like, etc. Some get it, some don't, some just don't give a flying fuck.

I loved Greg Rucka's run on the book, and I know I'll love Gail's. However, they're each writing/have written Diana differently.

I'm just looking forward to Diana FINALLY getting some sort of stability now. For well over a year, it's been nothing but turmoil for this title.

Well, for me the problem is that Superman is a well defined character, an icon that has made it through the decades relatively intact. Sure, they have changed some things, but the basic concept has remained the same and most people who don't even read comics know all about him.

With Wonder Woman...most people who don't much about the character, just the costume and the lasso and the invisible jet. Is the jet even around anymore? The concept of Wonder Woman worked for it's time, but I don't think it survived the decades as well. They keep having to modernize her and update her, and that involves starting from scratch much of the time. And, to me, what we got now is a mess...cherry picked from different Wonder Woman through the ages and it doesn't really work as a concept for me any more. She is supposed to be this dignified, diplomatic warrior and she wars a bathing suit....with stars on it....

Sorry, the concept just doesn't work for me.

But that is a really well written fight scene.

[Indigo Al]

Gail, I am extremely psyched by what I see so far, and I can't wait to see how it unfolds! You've set a tone here of fun, pulpy, high octane superheroics - and I can't wait to see the more subtle character bits coming up. Above all, in these pages, Diana's confidence and character seems to be shining through.

Next time, instead of the Superman comparison, let's hear Diana say "Bruce - stay the hell out of my city!"

[JeffreyWKramer]

Even if I hadn't already decided to get it, that little preview bit was intriguing enough that I'd be picking it up.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Are the Amazons done attacking?
Do we know who Wonder Woman is?

Is it safe to come back?

Yipes, sentient gorillas in battle armor....
this looks dangerous
dangerously good.

Gail...do you know that Beatles song?
No. not I Want to Hold Your Hand,
Don't Let Me Down, can you live up to that song.
Be awesome Gail, for all our sake.

[Indigo Al]

Yipes, sentient gorillas in battle armor....


A clear example of PRIMATISM if I've ever seen it.

[artemisboy]

Wait'll you guys see what happens next. ;)

Gail

I have my fingers crossed that Diana says, "Pouchers? Really? Take me to them!"

Then Diana can proceed to kick the living tar out of the pouchers and befriend the gorillas. :)

- Peter the Excited

[Lunar Daydreamer]

I can't see the Newsarama preview at this point because work blocks it, but i've decided this is going to be my first trip to the comic shop in a long time. Going to be great to read Gail's work regularly again :)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

"Primatist"
LOL

Gail, you´re the BEST!

[Infra-Man]

In the words of Albert Einstein:

FUCK YEAH!

[Corrina]

I have my fingers crossed that Diana says, "Pouchers? Really? Take me to them!"

Then Diana can proceed to kick the living tar out of the pouchers and befriend the gorillas. :)

- Peter the Excited

Didn't you know that in another identity, she was Dian Fossey? (The Dian is a dead giveaway.)

[Mercurialblonde]

Incredible. In just a few pages, we get pretty much everything that makes Wonder Woman Wonder Woman. Brilliant opening pages. They are almost manifesto like in terms of setting the stage for the character.

So excited about this book.

Wonder Woman should be one of the best books on the shelves for DC. And I think with Gail writing it, it will be again.

[Tom]

Okay, okay. I've been saying for years now that modern writers need to infuse Diana with that smartassed sense of humor the Golden Age version used to show, but figured it could never work grafted onto Perez's Princess of Perfection. Gail, you managed to do it in two words.

"Most fearsome."

Perfect. Looking forward to this.

[buttler]

Ha! Ape shall never kill amazon.

And please, no Nemesis. I liked the guy fine back in his Brave & the Bold days, but after his recent run as Diana's wacky neighbor he needs to go away for a long while.

That is, unless Nemesis has to stop the Unknown Soldier from killing Matches Malone, little suspecting that Matches is actually the Human Target. Hey, it could happen.

[valentine]

Brilliant stuff -- high quality writing and art.

[Gail Simone]

Okay, okay. I've been saying for years now that modern writers need to infuse Diana with that smartassed sense of humor the Golden Age version used to show, but figured it could never work grafted onto Perez's Princess of Perfection. Gail, you managed to do it in two words.

"Most fearsome."

Perfect. Looking forward to this.

Thanks, Tom!

I think people are going to surprised, even those who have been following closely, ESPECIALLY starting with issue #15.

Gail

[TCJohnson]

#15 is where the full frontal nudity begins!

[KevinTBrown]

#15 is where the full frontal nudity begins!

Unfortunately it's male frontal nudity.....

[Hybrid2]

Unfortunately it's male frontal nudity.....

Nemesis is'nt going anywhere.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Okay, okay. I've been saying for years now that modern writers need to infuse Diana with that smartassed sense of humor the Golden Age version used to show, but figured it could never work grafted onto Perez's Princess of Perfection. Gail, you managed to do it in two words.

"Most fearsome."

Perfect. Looking forward to this.

Yeah, I´ve missed that side of her myself. :)

[artemisboy]

Unfortunately it's male frontal nudity.....

Unfortunately?!? I'd PAY to see Nemesis with full frontal nudity! LOL

- Peter

[Crowley]

I think this looks really great... I like Diana having a sense of humor.

Also like the her having the sword and shield. I'm looking forward to seeing more.

[Cayman]

Unfortunately?!? I'd PAY to see Nemesis with full frontal nudity! LOL

- Peter

You and me both.

[ElvisGuy]

This preview even makes me crave tropical fruit ! :D

[Tyr]

Yipes, sentient gorillas in battle armor....
this looks dangerous
dangerously good.


That alone is worth the price of admission, and for only $3.00. :cool: Just think what the Captain Nazis are going to be like!

[The Xenos]

FINALLY! Though for some reason the preview page isnt loading for me. damn our internet.. or my roomate with a bajillion torrents going.

[heystacy]

Great preview pages. Humor, good fighting. I am positive more good stories are on the way. I am more than pleased to start reading WW again. :cool:

[Tyr]

You know after reading Sensai and Student and looking at this, I would like to make a casual observation about Gail's Diana if I may. Whenever I read Gail's Wondy, she seems to have this sort of Samurai like quality to her. That is she seems to give off that certain sense of eastern confidence and certainty yet quiet dignity, or in the words of Teddy Roosevelt “Speak softly and carry a big stick”. That’s blended in with the attitude of that of a mentor or a leader, and finally just a dash of an off kilter sense of humor. It’s kind of like, for lack of a better analogy, Splinter from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. But in a way that isn’t old or furry.

Of course this is just one layer or a couple of that which is Diana, I’m sure as Gail’s run goes on we’ll see more layers, indeed I’m willing to bet we’ll see quite a few in jus this issue alone.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

Whup those hairy ape asses, Di!

Plus, I certainly am curious to see what's left of The Society, too.

[Night Swordsman]

You can't stand her? How is that humanly possible? :confused:

And the anticipation is killing me. I can't wait! http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/giddy8us.gif


('cept you know, I have ta. *grumble*) http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/a18.gif

I love Gail,but Diana has always been on the boring side for me. But with such a great creative team,the best since George Perez worked on the book,imho,will make this book great. *Thinking positive thoughts*

Sigh..So i guess i was wrong about Diana punching monkeys off waterfalls?

[KevinTBrown]

I love Gail,but Diana has always been on the boring side for me. But with such a great creative team,the best since George Perez worked on the book,imho,will make this book great. *Thinking positive thoughts*

Sigh..So i guess i was wrong about Diana punching monkeys off waterfalls?

You mean this post? :)

Monkeys being knocked off Waterfalls.

:)

[Night Swordsman]

You mean this post? :)

Yes,that post.

[KevinTBrown]

Yes,that post.

That was just incredible insight on your part.... :) "Reading" Gail's mind.

[shrike]

Very neat sequence. The snarky humor ("Oh my." "Most fearsome.") seems a little un-Diana-ish to me, but "My hand is empty. My mind is open" is dead on. Love the bit where she tosses the gorilla over the falls.

We all think Wonder Woman 'thinks' a certain way but all too often Wonder Woman is shown with like NO humor. In a few pages, Gail shows Wonder Woman as having a very self aware, dry sense of humor. For ME, that works, err.... wonders.

Diana should not be stoic ALL the time, people tend to glide over her 'loving heart' and just go to the 'Fightin' Amazon' mentality. She is someone others should find themselves being able to relate to, ESPECIALLY as it was a gift from the gods themselves. Often she is shown as an unsympathetic, uncaring character on the outside. She has had years to acclimate to the outside world and get a chance to understand humor in all of its forms. I don't think we'll see BoP humor in here, because, I think Gail realizes it doesn't fit the context of the character and tone of the book.

Two of Gail's primary strengths (imo) is her use of characterization and organic storytelling. Seriously, EVERY character has a unique voice. I don't care if you read BoP, Gen13, Welcome to Tranquility or any of her Marvel work. She gives each character SOMETHING that sets them apart from the rest, which most writers fail to do.

I hate to sound all 'Pro Gail' (gushy is not my forte), but I know from experience that she has a method to her madness, and it pays off in spades.
Wonder Woman has been lacking a strong true 'voice' for a long time, something that shows her more than human but yet very sincere and down to earth as well. If ANYONE can bring out the Diana we all know and love, I really can't think of anyone better than her.

Hell, I might have to buy THIS for all the shoppers in the comics store Wed... I hope anyone who loves Diana and has been disappointed the past year and a half to give this a try.

[BnL]

Diana should not be stoic ALL the time, people tend to glide over her 'loving heart' and just go to the 'Fightin' Amazon' mentality.

I'm in total agreement. For my tastes, I felt there was an instance where Diana might be falling into that characterization from the preview. I'm referring to the part where Diana remarks offhandedly that the Gorilla she threw over the waterfall might be dead. That seemed a bit too reckless on her part than I'd like. Still, I trust Gail, her work is incredible, and I expect we'll be getting a more concrete explanation of Diana's philosophies on matters of killing in battle.

[Major Comma]

LOVE that title !
but is it what diana does not yet know or the readers?
Lord, I hope its BOTH!

[CaptainCanada]

Looks decent so far, although it's just a fight, so there's not much you can draw from that, really, beyond that Diana at least knows what she's doing (low bar, but it hasn't been a given in the year-and-half-long winter of our discontent).

The art looks great, but then, that was never one of v.3's problems; horrible Silver Age ideas and horrible Modern Age writing were. The character's status quo is still abominable, and will have to change in the long-run, but at this point, I'll settle for something vaguely entertaining in the short-term, that doesn't make Diana look like an inept, unsure moron (again, low bar, but that's what Heinberg, Picoult, and Pfeiffer have brought it to).

One definite plus: giving not just the arc a name, but also the individual issue. It's an incredibly minor detail, but almost no writers bother with it anymore, even most of my favourites, so I'm absurdly satisfied whenever someone does. So, much thanks for that.

[Night Swordsman]

That was just incredible insight on your part.... :) "Reading" Gail's mind.

But...but...it was a short read! And the words were in BIG print,with lots of colorful pictures!
Yah! That's it! :p :rolleyes:

<reads Kevin's mind>
...

Darn it...must be on the fritz,it's coming up empty. :eek:

[Tyr]

This preview even makes me crave tropical fruit ! :D Want a banana? I think I've got a bunch of them downstairs. :D

[beetlebum]

Want a banana? I think I've got a bunch of them downstairs. :D

What exactly will you be doing with that banana?:confused: http://www.mommiescamelot.com/forum/images/smilies/bandevil.gif

[KevinTBrown]

But...but...it was a short read! And the words were in BIG print,with lots of colorful pictures!
Yah! That's it! :p :rolleyes:

<reads Kevin's mind>
...

Darn it...must be on the fritz,it's coming up empty. :eek:

At that point last night...? Quite possibly.....

I was "dead to the world" then. :cool:

[Johnny_Luck]

I not digging the most fearsome line at all. It just seems a bit forced and out of place, like shes trying to be sarcastic but is failing at it.

The Dodsons are godly on art as always and I guess I just not diggin the preview. Maybe because the whole super smart Fighting Gorillas will never seem right with me and just seem ridiculous.

I really hope that Nemesis doesn't just get dropped from the title he was one of the reasons that ignoring AA Wonder woman had been fun, funny and enjoyable to me for the first time in history this run.

I have a tendency to like Gails writing a lot but I hope she doesn't try to go too dry in her sense of humor with WW and or change to many things.

[Major Comma]

personally i wish the first four issues were already in a trade.
or better yet the first years arc in a noveliztion by Gail herself!

[Liberty Belle Fan]

Woo hoo this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4) sums up my feelings about this Wednesday's coming issue!

[JKCarrier]

We all think Wonder Woman 'thinks' a certain way but all too often Wonder Woman is shown with like NO humor. In a few pages, Gail shows Wonder Woman as having a very self aware, dry sense of humor. For ME, that works, err.... wonders.

Oh I totally agree, Diana should have a sense of humor. She can even talk smack -- as Tom pointed out upthread, Marston's WW could be a real smartass. I just thought that particular flavor of snark seemed a little too... I dunno, trendy? Buffy-ish? Hard to put my finger on it, but it just rang a little false. But that's a minor thing; getting a Diana who's halfway competent and likeable is the most important thing, and that seems to be well sorted out.

Unfortunately, Ms. S. then followed up with:

I don't want people to get the impression that it's ALL fun and games, though...there's some very disturbing stuff coming up.

Disturbing WW stories?

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/JKCarrier/donotwant.jpg

[shrike]

Oh I totally agree, Diana should have a sense of humor. She can even talk smack -- as Tom pointed out upthread, Marston's WW could be a real smartass. I just thought that particular flavor of snark seemed a little too... I dunno, trendy? Buffy-ish? Hard to put my finger on it, but it just rang a little false. But that's a minor thing; getting a Diana who's halfway competent and likeable is the most important thing, and that seems to be well sorted out.



I am okay with it seeing that Diana's experience with humor outside of the Amazons has been in the past decade. Also, keep in mind that taunting opponents and keeping your cool is a tactical plus.

[Pink Bat Max]

Because a ton of writers don't understand the basic concept of Wondy (see: Geoff Johns for example) so they tend to write her like crap.

No one is interested in a crappy bland character.

Or they make her a total bitch, which REALLY annoys me. Because, you know, a woman can't be strong and opinionated WITHOUT being a bitch. Smacks of misogyny.

[Pink Bat Max]

Holy crap, I finally got time to read all the pages.

I think you may have nailed what I love in the character.
Granted, I'm a drooling, rabid fangirl of Gail's work, but still, I'm a greater Wonder Woman fangirl than anything else and..... I like this. I like it a lot.

[darkwatcher]

Very much looking forward to this, even in these few pages you can see that Gail is seeking to change Wonder Woman's status quo. The implication she is at least on a par with Superman for example. I really enjoyed the snappy dialogue and Diana's self confident manner.

[Tyr]

What exactly will you be doing with that banana?:confused: http://www.mommiescamelot.com/forum/images/smilies/bandevil.gif

Oh probably something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alSI0VIUn7A). Fact I'd log on just to do that, I love playing with peoples heads. :evilsmile

[Christopher Cross Is God]

Very neat sequence. The snarky humor ("Oh my." "Most fearsome.") seems a little un-Diana-ish to me, but "My hand is empty. My mind is open" is dead on.

Agreed, I also found some of the humor to be un-Diana-ish, but overall it seems like it'll be a good read.

[CaptainCanada]

Very much looking forward to this, even in these few pages you can see that Gail is seeking to change Wonder Woman's status quo. The implication she is at least on a par with Superman for example.
Well, that's been the case for about twenty years (although it waxes and wanes).

[BnL]

I think that Diana should display a sense of humor and not take herself so seriously, and Post-Crisis, she hasn't really displayed that, so I'm fine with the addition. It's somewhat unfamiliar for her, but the STYLE of humor used definitely fits her, I think. It kind of reminds me of the space arc in the beginning of Messner-Loebs' run that I mentioned on another thread. The scene where Diana is asked what she would do if she faced an unwinnable obstacle, and knew she wouldn't survive; would she fall apart? Her answer was that she would laugh. Later, Diana is careening through a remote section of space sitting atop a wrecked space vessel, holding it together with her lasso and steering it toward no place in particular. Inside the vessel is the astronaut she was supposed to be rescuing. When the astronaut opens the communication line with Diana, she hears Diana inexplicably laughing.

[Nicola Scott]

I LOVE IT!!

Congratulations To Gail and Terry. It looks gorgeous and reads perfectly.

All the best for next Wednesday!

GO GAIL!!!

[Batman1983]

Nevermind...

[heystacy]

Woo hoo this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4) sums up my feelings about this Wednesday's coming issue!

That was so funny, I forgot about Wonder Woman for a moment. LMAO!

[Night Swordsman]

That was so funny, I forgot about Wonder Woman for a moment. LMAO!

After the Lester link disaster earlier this year,you would think i would NOT try another one.

Sigh. Negative reinforcement,i believe is the term. Links are BAD!

And now that Kevin is a Zombie by Night,what do we do with a undead as one of the Mods?

[Tyr]

Sigh. Negative reinforcement,i believe is the term. Links are BAD!

Nonsense, Youtube links are good and good for you. Today's word is banana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-HNS-JpGY4)! :D

[Tyr]

double post

[darkwatcher]

Well, that's been the case for about twenty years (although it waxes and wanes).That's my point, it waxes and wanes in part because to date no writer has been able to impose their take on the DC collective consciousness. Looking at what Gail did for the credibility of Black Canary, well, I have high hopes for her Wonder Woman.

[darkwatcher]

I think that Diana should display a sense of humor and not take herself so seriously, and Post-Crisis, she hasn't really displayed that, so I'm fine with the addition. It's somewhat unfamiliar for her, but the STYLE of humor used definitely fits her, I think. It kind of reminds me of the space arc in the beginning of Messner-Loebs' run that I mentioned on another thread. The scene where Diana is asked what she would do if she faced an unwinnable obstacle, and knew she wouldn't survive; would she fall apart? Her answer was that she would laugh. Later, Diana is careening through a remote section of space sitting atop a wrecked space vessel, holding it together with her lasso and steering it toward no place in particular. Inside the vessel is the astronaut she was supposed to be rescuing. When the astronaut opens the communication line with Diana, she hears Diana inexplicably laughing.I'd forgotten that scene but I agree, I too think Diana should have a dry, ironic, subtle sense of humour. It's going to be interesting seeing Gail's take on this facet of Diana's character. We should remember that Diana has shown humour under some writers post crisis though. For example, Joe Kelly's JLA Wonder Woman exhibited a pretty good sense of humour.

[Gail Simone]

Nevermind...

What?

What?

:)


Gail

[heystacy]

After the Lester link disaster earlier this year,you would think i would NOT try another one.

Sigh. Negative reinforcement,i believe is the term. Links are BAD!

And now that Kevin is a Zombie by Night,what do we do with a undead as one of the Mods?

It was funny. Take a peek.

[Batman1983]

What?

What?

:)


Gail

Oh no wrong impression. I had posted a question to Nicola about myspace, but then I did some previous post searching and saw a post from her about prefering Facebook.

I want fresh eyes as I tend to skip over the first few pages of a book I've read an online preview of, so I'm totally buying WW #14 I just didn't have convo to add.

[Night Swordsman]

It was funny. Take a peek.

I DID! I will never look at another PB&J sandwhich in quite the same way.
Grrr. :mad:

[beetlebum]

I think that Diana should display a sense of humor and not take herself so seriously, and Post-Crisis, she hasn't really displayed that, so I'm fine with the addition. It's somewhat unfamiliar for her, but the STYLE of humor used definitely fits her, I think. It kind of reminds me of the space arc in the beginning of Messner-Loebs' run that I mentioned on another thread. The scene where Diana is asked what she would do if she faced an unwinnable obstacle, and knew she wouldn't survive; would she fall apart? Her answer was that she would laugh. Later, Diana is careening through a remote section of space sitting atop a wrecked space vessel, holding it together with her lasso and steering it toward no place in particular. Inside the vessel is the astronaut she was supposed to be rescuing. When the astronaut opens the communication line with Diana, she hears Diana inexplicably laughing.

Oh Absolutely agreed. Part of the reason why Wonder Woman's sales have lagged is because she often times, is not presented as fallible. Giving her a sense of humour would make her relatible. Give her a dry, almost English like one. More puns! And what's wrong if the punning comes across as Buffy-esque? Buffy is my favourite super heroine of all time. Her influence is seen in all mediums and is the standard by which a lot of heroines are judged by now, and I love it.

Bad and blatant Buffy rip offs are no good. But in Gail, I trust.

And while we're on the subject:

Fun with bananas! (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5399119&postcount=470)


:D

[heystacy]

I DID! I will never look at another PB&J sandwhich in quite the same way.
Grrr. :mad:

LMAO That was so stupidly bizzare it became funny. I smile thinking of it. So wrong. LOL

[Grazzt]

Oh Absolutely agreed. Part of the reason why Wonder Woman's sales have lagged is because she often times, is not presented as fallible. Giving her a sense of humour would make her relatible. Give her a dry, almost English like one. More puns! And what's wrong if the punning comes across as Buffy-esque? Buffy is my favourite super heroine of all time. Her influence is seen in all mediums and is the standard by which a lot of heroines are judged by now, and I love it.

I liked Diana's sense of humour on the cartoon.

"Is everything okay?"

"Well, I'm sort of missing Flash's obligatory joke about how Grodd made a monkey out of us."

"Just couldn't let it go unsaid."

"Obligatory."

[beetlebum]

I liked Diana's sense of humour on the cartoon.

"Is everything okay?"

"Well, I'm sort of missing Flash's obligatory joke about how Grodd made a monkey out of us."

"Just couldn't let it go unsaid."

"Obligatory."

Yep. And that is why Justice League is my favourite television programme of all time. Although at times Diana may have been petulant, and I wish they had more scenarios where Diana is formulating plans (wisdom of Athena and all) I liked the way they portrayed her. I am completely convinced Gail can match this and surpass it, and give her a distinct identity all her own. :) http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/emos-23.gif

[CaptainCanada]

JLU Diana was okay on her own terms, but the character was a complete misfire as Diana; I don't know where they got the idea that she was a snobby, violent, and prone to smashing TV screens rather than listen to people she didn't agree with and thievery. Not to mention that they butchered the Amazons, her backstory, her mission, and most of her villains apart from Circe (who was awesome on that show) (Ares too, I suppose, was rendered pretty well, it was the episode around him that sucked).

[BnL]

JLU Diana was okay on her own terms, but the character was a complete misfire as Diana; I don't know where they got the idea that she was a snobby, violent, and prone to smashing TV screens rather than listen to people she didn't agree with and thievery. Not to mention that they butchered the Amazons, her backstory, her mission, and most of her villains apart from Circe (who was awesome on that show) (Ares too, I suppose, was rendered pretty well, it was the episode around him that sucked).

Total agreement, except for the Circe part. God, I hated that episode. One of Diana's most fearsome and powerful enemies was made into a gag villain. Blah.

But yeah, I felt like most of the time they didn't get her character right, although I think there were rare moments when the real Diana shone through, like in the scene where she tries to convince the Apache Chief clone from the Ultimen to join the League.

[beetlebum]

Well, I guess the reason why it didn't bother me so much is I was new to comics when it premiered. But I suppose if I was a fan and knew more about the character at the time, I would be bothered by it. But to be fair though, her character did go through an evolution. When she first came to man's world, she was naive. But in Hawk and Dove, she walked away from a fight. By the end of the series, she became an ambassador. But in retrospect, other things that bothered me were the Batman and Wonder Woman romance. I hated it, and it was the only thing in the series I didn't like. I just couldn't see Diana falling for him, because to me, I think the portrayal of the two characters in Trinity best describes how they would act to each other.

[CaptainCanada]

Total agreement, except for the Circe part. God, I hated that episode. One of Diana's most fearsome and powerful enemies was made into a gag villain. Blah.

Eh, I thought it was a fair characterization, focussed mainly on the surreal Jiminez era stuff. Also, I just generally enjoyed that they decided to something in the genre of farce, and Circe was played perfectly within that (and, if you think about it, she's about the only villain on the show who isn't defeated at all; the heroes barter with her). And she had a lovely singing voice.

According to the DVD commentary, the original idea for that episode was Circe turns all the men on the League into animals, Diana and Zatanna have to stop her, etc., but they eventually decided to do it as tribute to Bewitched.

But in retrospect, other things that bothered me were the Batman and Wonder Woman romance. I hated it, and it was the only thing in the series I didn't like.
Heh. That was one of my favourite parts of the series.

[hellokittykat]

Well, for me the problem is that Superman is a well defined character, an icon that has made it through the decades relatively intact. Sure, they have changed some things, but the basic concept has remained the same and most people who don't even read comics know all about him.

With Wonder Woman...most people who don't much about the character, just the costume and the lasso and the invisible jet. Is the jet even around anymore? The concept of Wonder Woman worked for it's time, but I don't think it survived the decades as well. They keep having to modernize her and update her, and that involves starting from scratch much of the time. And, to me, what we got now is a mess...cherry picked from different Wonder Woman through the ages and it doesn't really work as a concept for me any more. She is supposed to be this dignified, diplomatic warrior and she wars a bathing suit....with stars on it....
Sorry, the concept just doesn't work for me.

But that is a really well written fight scene.

Yes, because Superman looks very dignified wearing his red underware on the outside of his blue stretchy pants.:p
Then again, he's not an ambassador, right?;)

[DarkCrisis]

I think my fave WW scene is when she fights Superman before killing Max Lord.

The fight w/ Supes was just awesome.