Damian Wayne

[king911]

i just found about his existense, i only read the story arc rite after infinite crisis so i am wondering what are your feelings on him? good for batman comic? bad?

[swedishmeatballs]

I don't like him. He's unlikable, has too much baggage and is only a character of convenience for Ras/Talia. If DC wanted me to like the biological son of Batman, he shouldn't have been the snot-nosed little punk we see.

[PunisherFan]

i just cant beleive they had Batman had a kid with hot ass Talia Al Ghul and he gets all pissy..., dude shes hot. lol Seriously though I kinda like Damian

[Mr Blinky]

He's a lot more likeable in Batman no. 666, if by likeable you mean 'impressively bad-ass'.

I want him to show up again and threaten to break more peoples' faces, the scamp.

[Ramiel]

i just cant beleive they had Batman had a kid with hot ass Talia Al Ghul and he gets all pissy..., dude shes hot. lol Seriously though I kinda like Damian

I think her hotness to him is voided by the fact he knocked her up and he now has the heir he never really wanted

[bjtrdff]

I thought she stole Bruce's seed and got herself knocked up.

[dreyga2000]

Ruthless limb chopping and snotty arrogance... The Son of Batdick :D ... what more could I ask1 I like the kid... IMO his snottiness makes for good dialogue and nijaness makes for good fight scenes... his spolied nature works as a nice contrast to the disipline of the Bat Family

[Code-Name V]

Not a fan of the character. Robin and to a degree, Nightwing, makes "Batman's Son" a redundant concept.

Also not convinced how committed DC is to the character. If they killed off Superboy Conner Kent, it may only be a few Crisis's away until Damian takes the dirt nap.

[Ramiel]

I thought she stole Bruce's seed and got herself knocked up.

Oh, is that what happened? I didn't read the Batman And Son arc, but in Batman 666 it pretty much shows the two in the beginning of banging it up.

[EmeraldOutlaw]

Meh...to be honest I'm not really a big fan of the Batman and Son arc or the idea of it. I always saw Dick or even Tim assuming the mantle and acting as the heir to the cowl. But this whiny little punk just irritates me to no end. Maybe it was just me, but Tim losing his father, bringing him even closer to Bruce (with the whole dead parent thing) was really shot to hell when Damian was brought into the picture.

Oh, and I thought it was kind of funny that Damian was all tough and his usual annoying self right to the face of Ra's, but then kind of sissyish and scared when talking to Alfred about what happened.

[drwho]

Face it in the end we will all know that Damien will not be batman's son. This is a worse idea then CatWoman having a baby.

[Young Avenger]

Oh, is that what happened? I didn't read the Batman And Son arc, but in Batman 666 it pretty much shows the two in the beginning of banging it up.

In Batman #670, Ra's said that he was grown in a tank. I'm not sure what that means exactly.

Face it in the end we will all know that Damien will not be batman's son.

What makes you so sure?

[DonC]

What makes you so sure?



Batman's son from his relationship with Talia was retconned out of continuity during Zero Hour. The "official" line was that Batman and Talia had now never had sex.

[Assassin Spider]

Meh...to be honest I'm not really a big fan of the Batman and Son arc or the idea of it. I always saw Dick or even Tim assuming the mantle and acting as the heir to the cowl. But this whiny little punk just irritates me to no end. Maybe it was just me, but Tim losing his father, bringing him even closer to Bruce (with the whole dead parent thing) was really shot to hell when Damian was brought into the picture.

Oh, and I thought it was kind of funny that Damian was all tough and his usual annoying self right to the face of Ra's, but then kind of sissyish and scared when talking to Alfred about what happened.

You don't show weakness in front of your enemies. That's just not how it works if you're an assassin (or assassin-in-training). Of course, since Damien probably doesn't regard Alfred as an enemy but as the first person who unequivocally showed him kindness, Damien felt a little bit more ok with acting like the child he really was in front of Alfred. That's how Alfred is; his very presence allows Bruce and his sons, plus Cassandra Cain during her pre-War Games tenure as Batgirl, to act more human and not feel that they have to constantly put up a facade of being emotionally untouchable.

For the record, I like Damien. I think, given a few years' worth of Bat-imposed discipline, he could fit in well enough as a fellow soldier to Robin and Nightwing in Batman's war on crime. Of course, I hardly think Damien will ever be fully accepted by Bruce, Dick, or Tim and that tension will result in good stories, if the writers can keep their heads on straight.

[HotRod_Tim]

I like the fact that Bruce Wayne has a child that's actually his. It forces him more into a fatherly situation and now he does in fact have a legit, blood heir. One of the main things I love about Damian is the fact that he considers Batman more his father, and not so much Bruce Wayne. This could eventually (as we've seen in the 666 issue) turn Damian into an even more hardcore Batman than Bruce. I like the concept as a whole and hope that it can be carried on by more than capable writers (please don't let Judd Winnick near here).

[Paul Dee]

Oh, and I thought it was kind of funny that Damian was all tough and his usual annoying self right to the face of Ra's, but then kind of sissyish and scared when talking to Alfred about what happened.


I liked that though; it gave him more of a human side instead of the typical snotty-brat we'd seen in the Batman & Son arc.

After the recent issue of Robin I am definitely warming to him although I really wish Morrison/DC (surely the latter?) had picked a different name - it's just too obvious and embarrassing.

[The Mirrorball Man]

After the recent issue of Robin I am definitely warming to him although I really wish Morrison/DC (surely the latter?) had picked a different name - it's just too obvious and embarrassing.

Yeah, an obvious nod to Damian Marley.

[Paul Dee]

Yeah, an obvious nod to Damian Marley.


Hahahaha



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[EmeraldOutlaw]

I liked that though; it gave him more of a human side instead of the typical snotty-brat we'd seen in the Batman & Son arc.

After the recent issue of Robin I am definitely warming to him although I really wish Morrison/DC (surely the latter?) had picked a different name - it's just too obvious and embarrassing.

I just thought it was funny-weird, not funny-haha. I mean, it just seems like they spent so much time building him up as a know it all little punk who doesn't care about anyone and is hostile to everyone and then this issue comes along and portrays him as scared out of his mind.

It just seemed a little forced to me is all...

[Violently Apathetic]

I just thought it was funny-weird, not funny-haha. I mean, it just seems like they spent so much time building him up as a know it all little punk who doesn't care about anyone and is hostile to everyone and then this issue comes along and portrays him as scared out of his mind.

It just seemed a little forced to me is all...

I think Morrison wrote him as a pretty insecure character who masks his fears with false bravado. He obviously cares about both of his 'parents,' which is probably why he's so hostile to anyone who encroaches on their little family. The fear he feels struck me as genuine, however I agree that is DOES seem odd that he'd open up to Alfred, considering he probably doesn't think of him as anything but the 'hired help'. It almost seems to me that he's TRYING to gain Alfred's sympathy in Robin, which indicates that he's more deceptive than his earlier straightforward characterization would indicate...or the writer doesn't know what he's doing and is just trying to make Tim look unreasonable.

Personally I go with the latter.

If it's not already obvious I like Damian. A lot. I have no idea why, he's an insufferable little snot with almost no positive qualities but I still find him entertaining. I'll enjoy him until he's inevitably retconned or killed.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I think I'd like him a lot more either way if I knew he was sticking around and/or dying sometime soon. I wasn't a fan of how he was portrayed (or Robin) in the most recent issue of Robin. They acted like 2 year olds fighting over something much less cool than the cover or previews led me to believe.

[mattx110]

Yeah, an obvious nod to Damian Marley.

huh? I coulda sworn Grant said it was in homage to Damon Wayans...:confused:

[BYC]

Yeah, an obvious nod to Damian Marley.

Everytime I see Damian Wayne, I think Damon Wayans, and then I think of Handyman.

No, I'm not on drugs.

[mattx110]

Everytime I see Damian Wayne, I think Damon Wayans, and then I think of Handyman.

No, I'm not on drugs.

HA! great minds think alike.

[Southpaw Crane]

Get Damian out get Damian out get Damian out get Damian out!
Face it in the end we will all know that Damien will not be batman's son. This is a worse idea then CatWoman having a baby.

Oh, I don't know, that's a pretty hard bad idea to top.

[Infernorhythm]

He's unlikable, boring, overused by Morrison, and the fact that he stole Jason Todd's costume basically made Damian the biggest insult to Batman.

[Crimson]

Don't like him... and I really fear that he may become to new Robin at some point.

I love Tim Drake so to be fair, I could just be worried he's going to be forced into his position leaving me without my monthly dose of Robin.

[FortKnox]

I liked that though; it gave him more of a human side instead of the typical snotty-brat we'd seen in the Batman & Son arc.

After the recent issue of Robin I am definitely warming to him although I really wish Morrison/DC (surely the latter?) had picked a different name - it's just too obvious and embarrassing.

Well it's a way better name then Ibn al Xu'ffasch. I mean really how in the hell do you say that name. For real.

[stelok]

I think Ibn al Xu'ffasch is much better name than Damian Wayne. Duh.

[The Xenos]

I was on the fence with Damian. Then I read the new Robin with him fighting Tim. That was kinda neat. They are brothers in a way, Tim some years older. Certainly Tim is the better of the two, but Damian is growing on me. Really, the story sounded stupid when I first heard the idea, but I am enjoying it.

Plus this sounds like a messed up thing Ra's would do. It's Denny O'Neil by way of Grant Morrison. I like it.

[Mia]

I don't like him. He's unlikable, has too much baggage and is only a character of convenience for Ras/Talia. If DC wanted me to like the biological son of Batman, he shouldn't have been the snot-nosed little punk we see.

I completely agree.

I also think that the child as he is written now, does a great disservice to Ra's, Talia and Batman.

There was no way that the old Ra's and Talia would have allowed this child to become a spoild un-disciplined monster. They are not those kind of people. Not only is he hard to control, he would be completely useless to their organisation.

And considering the way Bruce feels about family. I have a hard time believing that Bruce would be so cavalier about his own child. Why has he not done a blood test yet.

I think it should just be revealed that Talia had sex with another man around the same time as she slept with Batman/Bruce and the child is not his. In fact I was hoping that DC would make the father Bane. She was engaged to him once.

[rZi]

I can sense a retcon coming....although that would be more typical of marvel than DC, i mean it just sounds weird right? Bruce Wayne a father?

[The Xenos]

Um... wasn't Damien grown in a tank or something? I thought I saw that or was that a red herring? Wasn't he just part of Ra's plans of ressurection? I thought I caught that as a bit of a twist.

[Ramiel]

Um... wasn't Damien grown in a tank or something? I thought I saw that or was that a red herring? Wasn't he just part of Ra's plans of ressurection? I thought I caught that as a bit of a twist.

Apparently the tank thing is true, I thought Bruce wanged Tala plenty of times, but I guess he was well protected

[Mia]

Apparently the tank thing is true, I thought Bruce wanged Tala plenty of times, but I guess he was well protected


Unless of course they took the fertilized egg out of Talia’s body and placed it in the tank in order to do some sort of genetic enhancement.

[Corrina]

I agree about Damian's personality. While I agree that he'd be arrogant, I don't think he'd be such a little snot like this. Talia would have raised him to be disciplined. Never mind that he doesn't seem like Batman's kid--he doesn't seem at all like a child raised by Talia should be.

[Ramiel]

Unless of course they took the fertilized egg out of Talia’s body and placed it in the tank in order to do some sort of genetic enhancement.

Is that what actual happened or is that sarcastic speculation?

[Violently Apathetic]

I'm pretty sure it's what actually happened. In issue #666 it indicates that Damian was grown in an artifical womb (using the DNA of both parents, yadda, yadda), and I believe its been mentioned since.

[Captain Jim]

i just found about his existense, i only read the story arc rite after infinite crisis so i am wondering what are your feelings on him? good for batman comic? bad?

Bad.

.........

[swedishmeatballs]

I completely agree.

I also think that the child as he is written now, does a great disservice to Ra's, Talia and Batman.

There was no way that the old Ra's and Talia would have allowed this child to become a spoild un-disciplined monster. They are not those kind of people. Not only is he hard to control, he would be completely useless to their organisation.

And considering the way Bruce feels about family. I have a hard time believing that Bruce would be so cavalier about his own child. Why has he not done a blood test yet.

I think it should just be revealed that Talia had sex with another man around the same time as she slept with Batman/Bruce and the child is not his. In fact I was hoping that DC would make the father Bane. She was engaged to him once.


I thought Bruce was too nice to him in the Batman and Son story arc. That was a great disservice to the character. he wasn't that easy with Dick/Jason/Tim, so why would he let his son have playstation in his room!?!?!

I don't get it. As for the blood test, I hear ya!

[DonC]

Apparently the tank thing is true, I thought Bruce wanged Tala plenty of times, but I guess he was well protected


He's Batman. He carries Bat-anti-shark repellent. Of course he's going to be well prepared. ;)

[Chiroptera]

I detest the characters on multiple levels.

He doesn't come across as if raised by Talia. He CERTAINLY doesn't come across as if raised by Talia the daughter of the Demon's Head. I can't see her allowing her son to be a spoiled disobedient little punk.

I also think Bruce was to easy on him when Damian was at Wayne Manor.. A play Station in his room? Hot meals? All that other BS that was denied to Tim and Dick during their training? Uh-uh. Uncharacteristic, unrealistic, and damn well disappointing writing.

I hope the character is erased during Final Crisis, or that Ra's Al Ghul actually does take over Damian's body. Imagine how disarming it would be to have one of the worlds deadliest criminal masterminds be a child who looks to be, what, 12 years old, maybe? I think that would be more interesting than watching a bratty super-ninja running around with a katana.

[mattx110]

I detest the characters on multiple levels.

He doesn't come across as if raised by Talia. He CERTAINLY doesn't come across as if raised by Talia the daughter of the Demon's Head. I can't see her allowing her son to be a spoiled disobedient little punk.

I also think Bruce was to easy on him when Damian was at Wayne Manor.. A play Station in his room? Hot meals? All that other BS that was denied to Tim and Dick during their training? Uh-uh. Uncharacteristic, unrealistic, and damn well disappointing writing.

I hope the character is erased during Final Crisis, or that Ra's Al Ghul actually does take over Damian's body. Imagine how disarming it would be to have one of the worlds deadliest criminal masterminds be a child who looks to be, what, 12 years old, maybe? I think that would be more interesting than watching a bratty super-ninja running around with a katana.
I can see him giving him hot meals. He gave Jason good food. But video games?

[Mia]

I hope the character is erased during Final Crisis, or that Ra's Al Ghul actually does take over Damian's body. Imagine how disarming it would be to have one of the worlds deadliest criminal masterminds be a child who looks to be, what, 12 years old, maybe? I think that would be more interesting than watching a bratty super-ninja running around with a katana.

I thought about this too...but I think it would bug me watching a 'child' best Batman on a continuous basis.

[BYC]

The only thing I can think of is that Damien isn't the same as Bruce, Dick, Jason, or Tim. Bruce, Dick, and Jason don the tights because of their circumstances. Tim loves it. Damien...is none of those. Bruce believes Damien deserves a normal life, as opposed to all the others he ended up getting into the business.

I think Bruce is giving him a bit too much, but I can tolerate it. I have no clue how Damien became what he is if Talia or Ra' raised him originally though. That's a big mystery.

I read or heard a rumor that Damien is gonna be Ra's new body or something? Or maybe he is Ra already and this is a way for Ra to mess with Bruce on a different level?

[Choppa]

About the tank comment in Batman #670, I figured that Damian was conceived the old fashioned way (you know, the backwards monkey dance) but then had his body enhanced with artificial elements a la the way Talia patched him up at the end of the "Batman and Son" arc.

However, IMO it's more likely that whoever wrote Batman #670 (I don't think it was Morrison) just forgot this detail.

[Choppa]

As for the character itself, I don't really like him. It's really redundant given Dick and Tim and I think a lot of story potential is being wasted. Plus, retconning the past in order to introduce him isn't a good way to create a character. Ultimately I am also convinved that he will turn out to not be his son.

[The Xenos]

What retconning? They dug up a forgotten thread. Though, yeah, the tank thing is a bit of a ret con. Then again, it could have happened before that surprising end of Son of the Demon.

You say Damien is redundant with Tim and Dick already around. (We all know Jason is still dead. :rolleyes:) I dunno. I think that throws a neat wrench into the works.

Again, I didn't like the sound of the story or Damien when I first heard about it or even in the first arc. Though I'm starting to really enjoy it and wanting to know what happens.

[Mr.50]

My understanding is that Batman and Talia had sex in the Son of the Demon one shot. Which was then retconned out of existance by Zero Hour and my understanding is it was retconned back into existance by Infinite Crisis (New Earth). If they never had sex why would Bruce believe for a second that Damien is actually his son? Unless Bruce has some other memories of Talia stealing his sperm sample (not likely)? Then it appears that Talia had the fertilized egg removed from her body and the baby was developed in a take for genetic enhancement purposes or something like that.

Mr.50

[metalhead_dave743]

My take on Damian is this... He's no Terry.

[Choppa]

What retconning? They dug up a forgotten thread. Though, yeah, the tank thing is a bit of a ret con. Then again, it could have happened before that surprising end of Son of the Demon.


I'm talking about the details of their "encounter" from Son of the Demon. IIRC there are some inconsistencies.

[Mercurialblonde]

I think Damian is a fantastic character. I love that he's arrogant and snotty to the Robins. He has every right to be. And I love the buttons he pushes on Batman. He really brings out characteristics in Batman that make him a much more dynamic character.

[rZi]

I love that he's arrogant and snotty to the Robins.

I too like this, it's kind of a "im the best of both, a mixture of the worlds greatest detective and the demon head" so im higher up than you two. I wonder if they will age him? Maybe become a crime fighter similar to nightwing? He can't really replace tim so..

[Samuraixsithlord]

I hope we "grows up" by the end of the arc. Cuts Ras' head off, renames himself Ibn, and takes over the Demons Head and the LoA.

[Mr.50]

I too like this, it's kind of a "im the best of both, a mixture of the worlds greatest detective and the demon head" so im higher up than you two. I wonder if they will age him? Maybe become a crime fighter similar to nightwing? He can't really replace tim so..



I hope they don't age him. Then we will have Dick, Jason, and Damian all about the same age and then Tim not far behind them.

Mr.50

[Mercurialblonde]

Why not keep Damian AND Tim around? Two sidekicks are better than one. Plus it adds a whole tension favored son, unfavored son type of thing. What would he go by though? He can go running around as Damian Wayne. Keep him at the same age and let him grow up. Just hope people don't turn his arrogance to whineiness.

[rZi]

I hope we "grows up" by the end of the arc. Cuts Ras' head off, renames himself Ibn, and takes over the Demons Head and the LoA.

Thats a powerful concept...damian older and as the head of the LOA...that could have potential.

[Assassin Spider]

What is the appeal of Damian Wayne? I ask this as someone who likes Damian and wants to convert a Damian-hater into a Damian-lover. (Not in that way, you f***ing perverts; he's 6-8 years old!) I'm just wondering how is it you convince someone who sees Damian as nothing but a spoiled, self-centered, violent brat with no real respect for his father or those his father has recruited and adopted and no redeeming characteristics whatsoever to give Damian a second look?

[Samuraixsithlord]

Thats a powerful concept...damian older and as the head of the LOA...that could have potential.

when i say grow up i mean not acting like a spoiled prince and he wouldn't be head of the LoA unless he beat Cassie or Shiva first and he's only at like Robin or Nightwing level. He'd be in charge of the Demons Head

[Violently Apathetic]

What is the appeal of Damian Wayne? I ask this as someone who likes Damian and wants to convert a Damian-hater into a Damian-lover. (Not in that way, you f***ing perverts; he's 6-8 years old!) I'm just wondering how is it you convince someone who sees Damian as nothing but a spoiled, self-centered, violent brat with no real respect for his father or those his father has recruited and adopted and no redeeming characteristics whatsoever to give Damian a second look?

Honestly? I don't think you can. Damian IS all those things your Damian hater mentioned and either you accept and enjoy him because of them or they understandably repel you. I like Damian because I personally find all those negative personality traits exceptionally dynamic and 'fun.' I find bratty characters entertaining because of the contention they cause. I accept and respect that I'm in the minority and most people don't want to read about a character who either annoys them or (in their opinion) brings nothing of value to the Bat titles.

Personally I find Damian to be a tragic character. He may be exceptionally well trained, spoiled and boisterous, but I think underneath it all he's just a paper tiger (well, I doubt the Spook would think so...or Tim). He's a little boy who desperately wants a family and is violently opposed to those who may threaten his little parental group. His upbringing (and resulting values) alienate him from his father and he can't understand why, resulting in a frustrated and angry kid who doesn't get why reality isn't meeting his expectations. Damian's emotionally stunted because of his life of indoctrination, he's only been fed one view point and only knows how to respond to conflict in one way. I've always felt that someone who suffers in such a way is more deserving of pity than contempt, HOWEVER since he's a fictional character it's different and I certainly understand why other people find him more tiresome than anything,

I find him interesting because of the spark he brings to group scenes and because of the potential of what he COULD be. He's a character who could go either way. He's a hard sell to those who don't look for similar things in characters.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Theres nothing that says there can't be two Robins. There're two Green Arrows

[rZi]

Yeah i never thought of that, maybe years from now gotham will be populated with multiple crime fighters which are all bat-related?

[davek]

I mentioned this on the Living Between Wednesdays blog, and more and more, I think it's the way to go:

For my money, the potential value of Damian Wayne was answered in a discussion regarding Nightwing of all people. Damian should be shifted to a supporting role on Nightwing, because it completes the storytelling arc for Dick Grayson.

Let me explain - Dick Grayson is obviously the student of Batman after losing his family, thrust into the world of darkness that surrounds Gotham but has always maintained his composure, a more pleasant demeanor and probably his sanity. I always remember the brief period when Dick stood in for Batman, and Tim was astonished to watch Dick cook. Dick's response: "Sure. I like to eat." It's very simple, but it says volumes about Dick as a character - He fights crime just like the Batman, but not at the expense of being a human being.

On the other side, you have Damian Wayne who was born into this dark world - student of Ra's al-Guhl, heir to the throne of the Dark Knight. Trained from birth to the mental and physical disciplines of his father, but without the wisdom. Trained...but never schooled.

So imagine if Bruce Wayne personally asked Dick to take Damian under his wing to teach him how to become a full person, learn the human skills he knows he doesn't have within himself. Now Dick has gone full-circle - now the student is the teacher.

And it works on a lot of levels - of course, having Damian around fulfills the role of exposition to the audience, natch. But it also shows Dick to be more than a grown-up Robin, it allows him to demonstrate the skills that Bruce taught him since childhood - detective skills, leadership, strategy, while still being Dick Grayson through and through.

And it helps soften Damian, by giving him a role model that can teach him more effective ways that the League of Assassins never taught him. Case in point - Imagine Dick bets Damian to meeting him in a VIP booth at the Icepick Lounge. So Damian goes through the whole ninja game, takes out a guard, lurks in shadows, yadda yadda yadda. He gets to the lounge to find some hip-hop fan sitting in the booth. Damian, being Damian, is overly confident and smug... until the hip-hop guy proves himself to be Dick in a Matches Malone type of disguise. "You cheated!" Damian fumes, when Dick explains, "There's more subterfuge available than simply the shadows, Damian. Don't take the long road up the hill, if someone can carry you the quick way."

Like I said, it works pretty easily. With the occasional icy appearance from Tim, I think it writes itself. Heck, it even lends itself to a little humor with the over-confident, borderline Dr. Doom-in-training persona of Damian Wayne occasionally deflated by Dick's sense of humor.

"Did you do your homework? I know you have an Algebra final tomorrow."
"The Son of the Bat does not require knowledge of the quadratic equation."
"Riiiiiight. And does the Son of the Bat know how he'll explain to his father why he was held back a year because of his grades?"
"... Fine. But I won't enjoy it."
"No one does."

[Assassin Spider]

You absolutely made my day with that one. Absolutely perfect! Dick really would be the perfect teacher for Damian, because he's the most human out of everyone in Batman's crime-fighting circle; Tim's trying to be a mini-Batman and hold everything close to the vest, Bruce is struggling to relearn humanity as of the initial OYL storylines, Cass hardly sees the use in a "normal" life, and Barbara is a nigh-remote "goddess of information." Damian really does need someone with that human touch and that's what Dick would give him (not in that way, you pervs!).

Personally I find Damian to be a tragic character. He may be exceptionally well trained, spoiled and boisterous, but I think underneath it all he's just a paper tiger (well, I doubt the Spook would think so...or Tim). He's a little boy who desperately wants a family and is violently opposed to those who may threaten his little parental group. His upbringing (and resulting values) alienate him from his father and he can't understand why, resulting in a frustrated and angry kid who doesn't get why reality isn't meeting his expectations. Damian's emotionally stunted because of his life of indoctrination, he's only been fed one view point and only knows how to respond to conflict in one way. I've always felt that someone who suffers in such a way is more deserving of pity than contempt, HOWEVER since he's a fictional character it's different and I certainly understand why other people find him more tiresome than anything.

Thanks, Violently Apathetic. I think this paragraph sums up everything that makes Damian a compelling character to me. If I could explain this to the Damian-hater I spoke of, it might change her outlook. Or not; she's kind of stubborn.

[davek]

Damian can be a compelling character, if you put him on a narrative path. I don't think anyone has aggressively tried to explore that journey that theoretically gets him from spoiled Damian Wayne to the Son of the Bat, (and potentially Batman in the future, if you want to go that route.)

Another way to look at Damian, if you want to really think about it, he's the ultimate nemesis to Tim Drake - Tim is cerebral, more based on the detective aspects of Bruce Wayne. Tim Drake has been said to be the natural inheritor of the "The World's Greatest Detective" mantle. Damian, on the other hand, is more the natural inheritor of the "Dark Knight" title - not cerebral at this stage. Now don't get me wrong, I like Tim Drake. But I also like Tim having a rival of sorts, that represents aspects of an ideal he doesn't want to embrace. (And a nemesis doesn't have to be an adversary, Batman and Superman have been off-and-on nemeses for years.)

[MattXG]

I like him and should Batman die next year and Jason Todd take over it will be interesting to see how Damien and Jason react to one another as Damien is fiercely proud of his father.

And Jason Todd is no Bruce Wayne....

[Southpaw Crane]

I can see him giving him hot meals. He gave Jason good food. But video games?
:eek: Bruce... doting on a disobiedient child?! Brain... shutting... down...
I'm sorry, but I just have no mature responses to that kind of out-of-character behaviour.

I thought about this too...but I think it would bug me watching a 'child' best Batman on a continuous basis.
Are you kidding? It would be bloody hilarious! (or maybe that's just me...:rolleyes: )

About the tank comment in Batman #670, I figured that Damian was conceived the old fashioned way (you know, the backwards monkey dance)

okay... the thought of anything Bruce or Talia does being called that nearly made me cough up a lung over a rented monitor. Don't make people laugh when they have a cold.

[spider_monkey]

he sucks he thinks hes got what it takes to become batman to follow in his dads work he hasnt earned it hes a little psycho plus he kills all his oppenents whats up with that hes just as bad any of the maniacs the bats brought down.

[The Xenos]

Theres nothing that says there can't be two Robins. There're two Green Arrows

Yeah.. about that...
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Grrrrrrr... Winick...

[Captain Jim]

Yeah.. about that...
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5285/8726180x270ri3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Grrrrrrr... Winick...

Could be. Or it might be Speedy. I'm not going to be happy on either account.

[Assassin Spider]

he sucks he thinks hes got what it takes to become batman to follow in his dads work he hasnt earned it hes a little psycho plus he kills all his oppenents whats up with that hes just as bad any of the maniacs the bats brought down.

Excuse me, but you're talking about a six- or seven-year-old boy with a very screwy upbringing. He definitely hasn't earned it yet, like you said, but he's a little kid; he technically hasn't earned anything and since he is a little kid, he has time to remain under the tutelage of Bruce or Dick and learn the right way to do things so that he won't be "as bad [as] any of the maniacs the [Bats] brought down."

(And for the record, although I myself am a new poster, try to use proper grammar in the future; it'll make your points even more understandable, although I'm sure a lot of us understand already.)

Could be. Or it might be Speedy. I'm not going to be happy on either account.

It looks more like Connor, although that might not be saying much since when Mia has her hair tied back, it looks almost boyish if you obscure the ponytail. Like you said, I won't be happy on either account, as I like Mia and Connor (not together, mind you).

[cap5]

I just read the first 2 issues of Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul
and i think the introducion of Damian is a nice little subplot.I know he acts like a brat alot and most people dont like it but i like it i just hope it doset get forgoten or they kill him like the jason tood in hush it started of good but it ended badly. This caractor could have some possabilatys and i hope this subplot will last a long time,while i dont want to spend my money hunting down past Batman stores,i would like to hunt down the ist introduction of Damian,the oney thing i know about him is Damian,s the Son of Batman and the mother is taria

[cap5]

I dont understand why there is so much hate with Damian Wayne he was just intruduced.I say give him time,he can be intresting in time or not well thats my thought
And you or somebody can they have my Batman'son thread and post it here

[smoothjokes]

I like Damien Wayne, especially after Batman #666 one-shot that Morrison did. Personally I'm not into this Resurrection of Ra's storyline, unless this is a major plot-point in the Three Batmen saga, that's what I'm interested in.

[Lord Trigon]

I'm talking about the details of their "encounter" from Son of the Demon. IIRC there are some inconsistencies.


I think I remember something about non-cooperation

some one delete my other post I quoted the wrong thing.

[Mr.50]

I like Damien Wayne, especially after Batman #666 one-shot that Morrison did. Personally I'm not into this Resurrection of Ra's storyline, unless this is a major plot-point in the Three Batmen saga, that's what I'm interested in.


The three batman saga is what I want to know about too. The really started that one and then let it drop which is so annoying. Its good when they weave a plotline into another plot line and you don't even know its happening and then when the major events happen you are excited and have to go back to the earlier issues to re-read the details. BUT here they started a full story line that was the focus of the book and then they dropped it. I can only imagine that the third Batman is going to be the Batman:Red Rain as we get closer to Final Crisis.

Mr.50

[The Xenos]

I dunno aside from Requiem from a Dream, what decent film has he been in? Though I do remember hearing Burton thought Damon should play Robin to Keaton's Batman. Ugh.

Oh... Damien Wayne.

[king911]

The three batman saga ?

[HotRod_Tim]

After finally picking up the back issues I got a chance to read Batman and Son. I have to say, I was blown away by this arc. The way that Damian was introduced was perfect, everything really fell into place well. I mean, if I had to imagine a kid whose the son of Talia al Ghul and Batman, this is exactly how I would picture him. Some snot-nosed brat who thinks he's the s*%&. He even tries to out-detective Batman. And being raised by a league of deadly assassins, I wouldn't imagine it to be a stretch for Damian to actually kill someone, like he did The Spook, but for him to relish the kill and take the head, well, that was the only farfetched thing to me. I mean, after that, I'm not sure (even being his father) that Bruce would even give him a second chance, but alas, omitting that small detail, this was a stellar story. Everything I would expect from a story involving Batman's kid. My favorite part of the whole saga, seeing Batman yell at Damian, really showed why Batman is one for instilling great fear.

Excellent story by Morrison and killer art by Andy Kubert. Soon enough, we'll be seeing both Kubert Bros. as bigger legends than their dad.

[Captain Jim]

Soon enough, we'll be seeing both Kubert Bros. as bigger legends than their dad.

Not unless they get so they can keep a deadline.

[Lord Trigon]

I still don't get his three batman thing. I did read both stories and he's not a hard core batman in the future. Hell ,evil Tim is way better.