Immortal Iron Fist #10 - *spoilers* [Archive]

Young Avenger

11-07-2007, 04:38 PM

Danny doesn't make an appearance in this issue and it was still great. The Bride of Nine Spiders defeats Dog Brother #1 to advance in the tournament, Yu-Ti sends shadow priests to find Danny, The thunderer and Prince of Orphans discuss Davos (with PoO saying they both had a hand with Davos turning into a villain), Xao knows that Danny is in the world of men and plans to ambush him on his way back to the heart of Heaven.

This book kicks all kinds of ass. I hope that Orson's daughter remains on the book as a supporting character. I'm beginning to like her.

xAgentx Iron Fist

11-07-2007, 05:13 PM

i liked the book to but i got confused wendel is orosens father right...
or is he danels

Young Avenger

11-07-2007, 05:16 PM

Wendell is Danny's father.

xAgentx Iron Fist

11-07-2007, 05:44 PM

and wendell crated the machine thingy right
so orosens family ties are still unknown

Young Avenger

11-07-2007, 05:51 PM

Orson's father was the one who invested the machine.

Jimmy Holograph

11-07-2007, 06:14 PM

Phineas Randall is Orson's father, an inventor who crash-landed in K'un Lun by accident. He inveneted the machine that works as a constant bridge between K'un Lun and Earth.

After Phineas died (we dont really know), Orson inherited all of his fathers wealth and inventions (except for the bridge which he didnt know existed till much later). He adopted Wendell as a kid and trained him as a fighter and took him on adventures, until Wendell decided to go to K'un Lun to become the Iron Fist.

From then on Wendell took the last name of Rand. He chose not to become the Iron Fist and returned to Earth. Orson left all of his wealth to Wendell (after seemingly faking his own death it seems). Wendell started a family and Danny was born.

Oh and on another note, I still havnt gotten my copy, some problem with air freight (in Aus we usually get our comics before the US due to being one day ahead) :mad:
It does sound like a good issue, but every issue is good anyway:D

ultramandingo

11-07-2007, 06:31 PM

........bride of nine spider's " je je je je je je je " must of been some kind of homage to Takashi Miike's super creepy "Audition "

xAgentx Iron Fist

11-07-2007, 06:41 PM

thanks Jimmy Holograph
so wendell never became the iron fist
back to the book it was really good and yu-ti is a prick
i have another question if yu-ti like the head master mofo then y is he kickin b*tches in the face and sending shadow priests to get (and assumingly fight) danny?

shaxberd

11-07-2007, 06:56 PM

i have another question if yu-ti like the head master mofo then y is he kickin b*tches in the face and sending shadow priests to get (and assumingly fight) danny?

Because he's been watching Ben Grimm's missing Sopranos dvds.

Well, okay, not really. At this point, I'm not really sure whether Yu-Ti wants Danny to win or lose. Even if K'un L'un loses the tournament, they have another mechanical means by which they can enter the mortal world so they don't really need to win. Possibly, it's more a matter of wanting to trap Danny in K'un L'un when and if he loses, cutting him off from the outside world.

Either that, or he's just being a jerk.

Jimmy Holograph

11-07-2007, 07:13 PM

Either that, or he's just being a jerk.

Yep, pretty sure you're on a winner there.

Red Orion

11-07-2007, 07:49 PM

........bride of nine spider's " je je je je je je je " must of been some kind of homage to Takashi Miike's super creepy "Audition "

Actually I think it's a homage to the evil laugh seen in manga and anime.

Omega Alpha

11-07-2007, 07:57 PM

Weaker than the others, because there was no Danny, but still pretty interesting. I think shaxberd is right about Yu-ti, i believe he wants Danny to lose.

HeckBoy

11-07-2007, 08:38 PM

Either that, or he's just being a jerk.
This series is my first foray into the Iron Fist extended universe (previously, I only knew about him thru H4H), so I don't know, but is Yu-Ti always such a jerk? For someone who's supposed to be august and what not, he sure seems like a jerk. Anyway, I was a bit disappointed that Danny didnt show up, but it was still a decent, although not really to my liking, issue.

Also, who's the girl Yu-Ti hits supposed to be? I'm sure some of the more immersed Iron Fist readers will know.

Expletive Deleted

11-07-2007, 08:48 PM

This series is my first foray into the Iron Fist extended universe (previously, I only knew about him thru H4H), so I don't know, but is Yu-Ti always such a jerk? For someone who's supposed to be august and what not, he sure seems like a jerk.Yeah, he's typically kind of a jerk.Also, who's the girl Yu-Ti hits supposed to be? I'm sure some of the more immersed Iron Fist readers will know.It's unclear, but the current speculation is that she's Danny's long-lost sister, Miranda.

henryfish

11-07-2007, 09:09 PM

Yeah, he's typically kind of a jerk.It's unclear, but the current speculation is that she's Danny's long-lost sister, Miranda.

I thought it was Orson's daughter? The one guarding her grandfather's gate?

Expletive Deleted

11-07-2007, 09:11 PM

I thought it was Orson's daughter? The one guarding her grandfather's gate?Was that confirmed?

Crap. My bad.

henryfish

11-07-2007, 09:18 PM

Was that confirmed?

Crap. My bad.

S'all good. Easy to get confused with so many characters!

But yea, enjoyed it, even if it wasn't as good as the last few issues. I think last time with an issue and an annual spoiled me.

Young Avenger

11-07-2007, 09:19 PM

Hey man, she revealed herself to be Orson's daughter last issue. Yu-Ti is a jerk. He must mistreat her for being related to Orson or being a woman. Probably both.

Jimmy Holograph

11-07-2007, 09:22 PM

Was that confirmed?

Crap. My bad.

Wait, so is it the same blue-eyed servant girl form the last two issues? Or is it a different girl? Damn I hate not having my issue!

Oh btw:

Holy awesome avatar! I gotta make the matching Davos one now, gimme a minute...

drwho

11-07-2007, 09:32 PM

Great issue and cool zombie cover. The flashbacks are awesome and seeing the whole festivities around the tournament is cool. The one thing that is bugging me is what in the hell are Misty, Luke, and the other ninja doing. It seems like they are just wandering around in this being included for some comic relief. Also what exactly are the terror priests supposed to do to Daniel. It is really great seeing Bru and Fraction handling all these different characters.

Gordon Smith

11-07-2007, 09:33 PM

Excellent issue. I'm rapidly becoming a huge fan of Fat Cobra. I'd like to see more of him.

Young Avenger

11-07-2007, 10:20 PM

IGN created reader's guide for Iron Fist
http://comics.ign.com/articles/833/833243p1.html

They give a history of Iron Fist while Matt Fraction gives his opinion on Danny and his history.

Jimmy Holograph

11-07-2007, 10:34 PM

Hey man, she revealed herself to be Orson's daughter last issue. Yu-Ti is a jerk. He must mistreat her for being related to Orson or being a woman. Probably both.

Ok, so it was Orsons daughter from last issue. Has anyone actually learnt her name yet?

Tien Long

11-08-2007, 06:47 AM

Issue was ok for me. I was hoping to see more of the Dog Brother #1/Bride of the Nine Spiders fight. Still, I think what was more interesting is that there may be a coup going on in K'un L'un. Both Lei-Kung and Yu-Ti have their own agendas, and it makes sense that Lei-Kung would want to take down Yu-Ti, as Yu-Ti really hasn't been that much of an august or sincere ruler. Can't wait for next issue when the forces of Hydra and the Shaolin Terror Priests are ready to pounce on Danny.

mdg1

11-08-2007, 08:53 AM

Anybody else think that the Prince of Orphans may be Wendell's real father?

(And hence, Danny's grandfather)

drwho

11-08-2007, 09:00 AM

Anybody else think that the Prince of Orphans may be Wendell's real father?

(And hence, Danny's grandfather)

I sure hope not. I dont like too many characters being related to everyone else. It mucks up everything. Iron Fist used to have a simpler origin.

CyberCoyote

11-08-2007, 08:38 PM

I really should have read the opening post in this thread before picking up the book today. My kid unlocked 'Fist in his Spider-Man game and wanted to read him. D'oh.. he's only on the cover :(

Fun read, not a HUGE fan of the art style but it matches the theme and stepping in this late it was written well enough that I've got a good idea as to what's going on AND became interested enough to pick up the next issue. Not many books can do that to this jaded comic fan (and I got to see Luke.. Hope he opens up a massive can-o-Christmas on those Hydra bastards laying waste to the town)

Tien Long

11-08-2007, 09:39 PM

Y'know, after reading the issue a second time, as well as reading it in conjunction with the previous two issues, I'm starting to realize the deep themes of the storyline. I think Yu-Ti's actions in this issue are motivated by the fact that he really doesn't want K'un L'un to be dishonored in this tournament. He is very ashamed over the actions of Orson Randall during the last tournament, and doesn't want to have such a disaster occur again. Thus, he is willing to take drastic measures to make sure that Danny is in his sight at all times.

Furthermore, I just want to expand a bit more on my opinion on Lei-Kung. I'm digging that Brubaker/Faction touched upon the father/son relationship b/w the Thunderer and Davos. The regret that Lei-Kung feels concerning his raising of Davos was very palpable. In addition, he definitely is planning something against Yu-Ti, w/ Orson's daughter as a spy/double agent of sorts. I bet he wants to get rid of Yu-Ti, but I like the fact that he is having difficultly in going through with such a plot. This is very reminiscent of Chinese stories where a man's loyatly to a nation is tested. Does he still stay loyal to a ruler and allow tyranny to continue to reign, or does he take action against his ruler and live with the dishonor of being a betrayer?

Though Danny wasn't in this issue, it still rocked. Can't wait for the next one!

Deep_Sleeper

11-08-2007, 11:10 PM

It's too bad Dog Brother and Bride of Nine Spiders fight took place off panel. Would have been cool to watch.

The comic keeps trucking. Although, in this issue, I got a little confused as to what the agenda behind Yu Ti and Lei-Kung's actions were. It's going to be hard to wait for the next issue, as this comic is just really awesome.

Will.S

11-11-2007, 11:13 AM

Anybody else think that the Prince of Orphans may be Wendell's real father?
I actually think that Lei Kung is Wendell Rand although I'm puzzled by who Prince of Orphans is.

The key scene is after the Bride of Nine Spiders defeats Dog Brother.

Prince of Orphans asks: "I'm wondering why it is you can't bring yourself to speak with your own son."

Lei Kung: "We're at a party, let's not ruin it with talk of family."

Then Prince mentions his boy again and Lei having an importance regarding Davos becoming the thing he wanted for him the least. Then we shift to the night scene with who we assume is Miranda Rand and Lei Kung, Lei says this.

Lei Kung: "If he were still with us, my father would die of sorrow."

I think he's talking about Orson as his adopted father, otherwise the flashbacks with Wendell wouldn't be in these books and the last scene where Wendell defeats Davos I think links to the stuff Prince of Orphans was talking to Lei Kung about. Prince of Orphans is definitely a red herring but a surprise player nonetheless.

Ramiel

11-11-2007, 11:16 AM

Another good solid issue, sorry to see no Iron Fist himself, but still good. A lot more questions are starting to arise, as well, really liking the way this is going. Looking forward to #11, looks like Danny is going to be fighting some swarms, good fun

Deep_Sleeper

11-11-2007, 02:49 PM

Stains & Botches on Iron Fist covers - Intentional?

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/11946417847146.htm

I also have to give credit to whoever is responsible for the 'ageing' effect on the white sections of the book's covers for this arc (Matt Hollingsworth, perhaps?). The dirt is so authentic and convincing that when I pick up my weekly haul of comics, I go back to the shelf every time to check that I haven't got a damaged copy of the book. I can only guess at what kind of grading problems it will cause for serious collectors in future.

mdg1

11-11-2007, 05:07 PM

Will.S

11-11-2007, 11:31 PM

Davos is Lei Kung's son, and the person he's not speaking to. Lei Kung talks with Danny fairly often.

And the woman isn't Miranda Rand, it's Orson's daughter (revealed last issue)
Just when I thought I had everything figured out...

Fatguy

11-11-2007, 11:42 PM

Really enjoyed the issue, but I wanted to see more of Dog Brother. He seemed extremely interesting and I was bummed he was defeated off panel :(

StoneGold

11-12-2007, 12:04 AM

Really enjoyed the issue, but I wanted to see more of Dog Brother. He seemed extremely interesting and I was bummed he was defeated off panel :(

Yeah, but you knew that was going to happen. Just because the spider chick was freakier. No way a relatively normal looking guy like Dog Brother was going to win.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he became a more regular cast member. Just because he seemed like a relatively decent guy, with the orphans and stuff. Unless I read that wrong earlier, and he was molesting them or something.

filthysize

11-12-2007, 03:53 AM

Stains & Botches on Iron Fist covers - Intentional?

Yes.

Honestly, is there a cooler book out there right now than this?

Kyle R

11-12-2007, 06:04 AM

Like others, I was a bit dissapointed that we only got to see a little of the Dog Brother #1/Bride of Nine Spiders mix-up. With luck both of them will get more face time during the melee. Fortunetly, next issue we'll likely get to see the Steel Serpent/Tiger's Beautiful Daughter match from start to finish. I'd be willing to bet money that Tiger's Beautiful Daughter doesn't walk away from that one.

Anyways, other than that slight let down, this book continues to be amazing.

Tien Long

11-12-2007, 06:31 PM

I actually think that Lei Kung is Wendell Rand although I'm puzzled by who Prince of Orphans is.

The key scene is after the Bride of Nine Spiders defeats Dog Brother.

Prince of Orphans asks: "I'm wondering why it is you can't bring yourself to speak with your own son."

Lei Kung: "We're at a party, let's not ruin it with talk of family."

Then Prince mentions his boy again and Lei having an importance regarding Davos becoming the thing he wanted for him the least. Then we shift to the night scene with who we assume is Miranda Rand and Lei Kung, Lei says this.

Lei Kung: "If he were still with us, my father would die of sorrow."

I think he's talking about Orson as his adopted father, otherwise the flashbacks with Wendell wouldn't be in these books and the last scene where Wendell defeats Davos I think links to the stuff Prince of Orphans was talking to Lei Kung about. Prince of Orphans is definitely a red herring but a surprise player nonetheless.

To me, these scenes basically show Lei Kung's mentality regarding the nature of the relationship b/w father and son. In a way, his ideas are very Confucian. He feels ashamed that his son has gone onto this despicable path b/c of a desire to be something he shouldn't be. Within a Confucian ideology, one would not only hold Davos' responsible for his actions, but also look sternly upon Lei-Kung himself. Indeed, Lei-Kung should have taught Davos better.

In regards to "If he were still with us..." comment, I see it as Lei-Kung wondering how would his own father think of his own "dishonorable" actions, plotting against Yu-Ti, who is the sovereign of K'un-L'un. To plot sedition against the nation was a SERIOUS crime in Chinese traditional belief, and was actually one of the ten most heinous crimes mentioned in pre-modern Chinese law codes.

The more I think about it, Lei-Kung is actually becoming pretty damn interesting as character.

Will.S

11-12-2007, 06:35 PM

To me, these scenes basically show Lei Kung's mentality regarding the nature of the relationship b/w father and son. In a way, his ideas are very Confucian. He feels ashamed that his son has gone onto this despicable path b/c of a desire to be something he shouldn't be. Within a Confucian ideology, one would not only hold Davos' responsible for his actions, but also look sternly upon Lei-Kung himself. Indeed, Lei-Kung should have taught Davos better.

In regards to "If he were still with us..." comment, I see it as Lei-Kung wondering how would his own father think of his own "dishonorable" actions, plotting against Yu-Ti, who is the sovereign of K'un-L'un. To plot sedition against the nation was a SERIOUS crime in Chinese traditional belief, and was actually one of the ten most heinous crimes mentioned in pre-modern Chinese law codes.

The more I think about it, Lei-Kung is actually becoming pretty damn interesting as character.
Yeah, I've become very fond of the Lei-Kung character so far. They've been doing a great job with him and Danny's surrounding characters.

The Iron Fist

11-16-2007, 05:28 PM

Finally got #10, here's my review:

Immortal Iron Fist #10 - It was yet another great issue. Even though Danny wasn't in it, the focus on the rest of the supoorting cast was excellent. I loved the fight between Dog Brother #1 and Bride of Nine Spiders. Fat Cobra is easily one of the best new characters and it was great to see the flash backs, they were awesome. This was a set up issue, and I can't wait for #11 now. Art and writing was top notch as usual and we had some great action.

9/10

The Iron Fist

11-25-2007, 06:23 PM

Who wants to see more of Dog Bother? I do, I thought he was a great this issue. I think we'll see alot more of him when he faces Danny next issue.

HotRod_Tim

11-27-2007, 12:59 PM

Once again, Brubaker/Fraction prove why everybody should be reading Immortal Iron Fist. They've pretty much taken a character with little to no mythology to creating an entire legacy and a superb surrounding cast. Lei Kung has been an awesome addition along with Yu-Ti. The team of Brubaker/Fraction and David Aja on art need to stay on this book forever. I can't believe the've made me care about this book so much. The fight between Bride of Nine Spiders and Dog Brother #1 was outstanding. Although it was short, I don't mind as long as we get some extended fights later with Danny and maybe Davos. The whole Hydra thing is getting very interesting, I wonder just exactly what it is that they're planning to do with a traintrack into K'un L'un. Overall, killer issue, can't wait for the next ish.