Round 4 Public Vote

[TCC]

That's interesting, I've actually been thinking of CPWIII and Caio's styles as the most mainstream and least individual of the final 6. I was hoping to see more diverse styles actually.

really??

I think Caio has an unconventional art... something more urban ... like Eduardo Risso or sometimes like Jacen Burrows...

c3po is more mainstream but has a great look for details and scenarios...

[bolapucc]

Glad to see Caio in the next round...:)

... and sad to see the McD go:(

[polystyleneman]

really??

I think Caio has an unconventional art... something more urban ... like Eduardo Risso or sometimes like Jacen Burrows...

c3po is more mainstream but has a great look for details and scenarios...

Well compared to Reed, McDaid or Nick's style I think Caio's is pretty mainstream looking. That's not a bad thing, that's just how it comes across to me.

[Brandon Hanvey]

We are still going over the votes. Hopefully we will have the final results posted soon.

[DidCart]

Caio and C3PO at the Final! Really Good!
Congratulations for both!

Caio has a style that I like. Also as C3PO, but something, I don't really know what, don't seems well. I'm not saying that his art isn't good, but IMHO, something is missing!

[polystyleneman]

Caio and C3PO at the Final! Really Good!
Congratulations for both!

Caio has a style that I like. Also as C3PO, but something, I don't really know what, don't seems well. I'm not saying that his art isn't good, but IMHO, something is missing!

Yeah I think they are both strong and qualified artists but for some reason I just haven't been able to get excited about either one of these guys yet. I guess this time I'll have to vote for one of them if I'm going to vote. ;)

Oh, and by the way I wish there was money riding on this. I predicted this turnout a few rounds back. :rolleyes:

[Joe Rice]

Well, shit. I apparently picked a bad time to have company and not use the computer. Sorry, Dan, I would've voted for you.

[J. Torres]

Once again, these results are not final.

We are looking into certain votes to see if there was any foul play.

With the numbers this close, please do not count anyone out just yet.

We hope to have the official results posted shortly along with the final assignment... which I think is very cool.

Our guest judge for the finale is even cooler.

[eti]

So Dan still has a chance? *crosses fingers*

[escapegoat]

So Dan still has a chance? *crosses fingers*

Only if they find at least 239 fraudulant votes between the contestants in second and third... ;)

[polystyleneman]

Once again, these results are not final.

We are looking into certain votes to see if there was any foul play.

With the numbers this close, please do not count anyone out just yet.

We hope to have the official results posted shortly along with the final assignment... which I think is very cool.

Our guest judge for the finale is even cooler.

LOL, I just want to see the new assignment!

[Mmmmmpig]

I am extremely interested in what the assignment is supposed to be as well

[J. Torres]

But... but... like I said, the assignment is pretty cool... but the guest judge is EVEN COOLER!

[Mmmmmpig]

welll... then tell us, sheesh. do I have to think of everything? :)

[TCC]

But... but... like I said, the assignment is pretty cool... but the guest judge is EVEN COOLER!

Tell us!! tell us!!!

let´s just guess for now...

hm... michael lark!!

[J. Torres]

I will tell you.

As soon as Brandon and Jonah finish playing C.S.I. :D

[escapegoat]

But... but... like I said, the assignment is pretty cool... but the guest judge is EVEN COOLER!


The Fonz!?! :eek:

cause no one's cooler than the Fonz.....

[escapegoat]

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/fonz.jpg


AAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!

[joelcook]

Our guest judge for the finale is even cooler.

If it is Rob Schrab, I would seriously crap my pants....

and that is a promise... I will willingly make myself crap my pants if he is the judge.

That is my promise to you, the viewer.

[polystyleneman]

But... but... like I said, the assignment is pretty cool... but the guest judge is EVEN COOLER!

Dude, it's Paula Abdul! Isn't it? Isn't it?

[escapegoat]

If it is Rob Schrab, I would seriously crap my pants....

and that is a promise... I will willingly make myself crap my pants if he is the judge.

That is my promise to you, the viewer.


That is totally uncool....

If the judge isn't the Fonz, then the assignment better involve the Fonz in it. Or else Torres will have to go back to school to learn about cool!

[Brandon Hanvey]

I will tell you.

As soon as Brandon and Jonah finish playing C.S.I. :D

So if Joanh is Grissom, who does that make me?

[escapegoat]

So if Joanh is Grissom, who does that make me?


Jim Brass?

[Chris Daley]

So if Joanh is Grissom, who does that make me?

Sara. But that's just a rumor.

[TCC]

Dude, it's Paula Abdul! Isn't it? Isn't it?

http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/images/smiles/besouro_a.gif http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/images/smiles/besouro_a.gif http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/images/smiles/besouro_a.gif http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/images/smiles/besouro_a.gif

[J. Torres]

The Fonz!?! :eek:

cause no one's cooler than the Fonz.....

Well, except this guy...

http://jtorresonline.com/chucknorris.jpg

I wish he could be a CBI judge but he's too busy kicking the crap out of bad guys!

[escapegoat]

Well, except this guy...

http://jtorresonline.com/chucknorris.jpg

I wish he could be a CBI judge but he's too busy kicking the crap out of bad guys!

Oooooo...good call.

He would rock as a judge...just think ...no more fraudlulant voters....he'd spot them right away and kick the crap out of them and then make their votes kick the crap out of them too!


...and the the Fonz could watch from the sidelines, saying .....AAAAAAAAY!!!!

[TheRonin]

Oooooo...good call.

He would rock as a judge...just think ...no more fraudlulant voters....he'd spot them right away and kick the crap out of them and then make their votes kick the crap out of them too!


...and the the Fonz could watch from the sidelines, saying .....AAAAAAAAY!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn funny and... Perfect! :D

[TheRonin]

Thanks everyone for the nice words on my "endorsement" pinup, even if it
turned out to be not that helpful, sadly.
On the bright side I know Dan is already a winner in my book and I am
sure we will see him around the LCS pretty soon :)

Good luck to Jon and congrats to Caio and Charles: you made it to the final 2
which means 4 more pages to draw this weekend ;)
Seriously, great job you two and wish you both the best :)

Cheers,
Francesco

[bolapucc]

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/fonz.jpg


AAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!

And with that, Comic Book Idol officially has jumped the shark

just kidding;)

[Kaishounashi]

Dude, it's Paula Abdul! Isn't it? Isn't it?
Please no! Paula Abdul is too kind to be a COOL GUEST JUDGE. It has to be Simon Cowell.

[bolapucc]

Well, except this guy...

http://jtorresonline.com/chucknorris.jpg

I wish he could be a CBI judge but he's too busy kicking the crap out of bad guys!

Pffff... Chuck Norris...

Capitão Nascimento would kick the crap out of him AND Jack Bauer AND McGyver AND the Hulk at the SAME TIME!!!

Hell, right now, BOPE is doing security for the Incredible Hulk production in Rio...

I wouldn´t mess with the one guy the Hulk calls for help because he is waaaay bad@$$ than him...:evilsmile

[arvin_Homessa]

Capitão Nascimento would kick GALACTUS ass!:eek:

He could even beat the superman of age of silver.

[TCC]

Capitão Nascimento would kick GALACTUS ass!:eek:

He could even beat the superman of age of silver.

considering that the date for Elite Squad (working title) premiere in the U.S is january 25th of 2008 ,they probably don´t know what the hell you guys are talking about...

[polystyleneman]

considering that the date for Elite Squad (working title) premiere in the U.S is january 25th of 2008 ,they probably don´t know what the hell you guys are talking about...

Anytime I see a name I don't even know how to pronounce around these parts I think "It's a Brazil thing."

[bolapucc]

Capitão Nascimento would kick GALACTUS ass!:eek:

He could even beat the superman of age of silver.

"Could"?

Not only he would crush him like a styrofoam cup, but he would also jump to the Marvel Universe and rip Eternity´s spinal cord off of it!

[Brandon Hanvey]

The final totals will be posted shortly.

[J. Torres]

Thanks everyone for the nice words on my "endorsement" pinup, even if it
turned out to be not that helpful, sadly.
On the bright side I know Dan is already a winner in my book and I am
sure we will see him around the LCS pretty soon :)

Good luck to Jon and congrats to Caio and Charles: you made it to the final 2
which means 4 more pages to draw this weekend ;)
Seriously, great job you two and wish you both the best :)


Allow me to say it again... the official results have yet to be posted!

All kidding aside, look for the official tally and new rankings very soon.

[bolapucc]

considering that the date for Elite Squad (working title) premiere in the U.S is january 25th of 2008 ,they probably don´t know what the hell you guys are talking about...

yea, but they should... OOOOOOOO, and how they should...

One has to know, respect and FEAR the Almighty Capitão Nascimento!!!:eek:

[Dan M]

Hello! I just want to say a huge (and, let's be honest, rather drunken) thanks to everyone who fought my corner the last few weeks. You guys are all awesome, and though I don't want to single anyone out, I'm going to single out these people: shwa69 (for awesome), Jimmydee (for awesome), Mark Cardwell (for awesome), Frogze (for... well, you know...) and Francesco, for this:




http://www.francescofrancavilla.com/drawingboard/dan_alien_low.jpg

Oh! And Gwor, and polystyleneman, and biglizzie, and Warren_O and J Torres and Brandon Hanvey and all you bad muthas who made this whole thing so cool. It was fun, but DAMN I'm going to get hammered this weekend.

Bye!

[TCC]

Anytime I see a name I don't even know how to pronounce around these parts I think "It's a Brazil thing."


well... that´s probably true.

anyway,it´s a great movie "phenomenon" here.

the film start circulating on the Internet before its oficial release here and became very popular... and made sucess on the cinema, anyway...

it´s a good outside option for you guys in the winter(summer for us)!! ;)

[Brandon Hanvey]

Round 4's final results

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/round-4-final-results/

[polystyleneman]

Hello! I just want to say a huge (and, let's be honest, rather drunken) thanks to everyone who fought my corner the last few weeks. You guys are all awesome, and though I don't want to single anyone out, I'm going to single out these people: shwa69 (for awesome), Jimmydee (for awesome), Mark Cardwell (for awesome), Frogze (for... well, you know...) and Francesco, for this:



Oh! And Gwor, and polystyleneman, and biglizzie, and Warren_O and J Torres and Brandon Hanvey and all you bad muthas who made this whole thing so cool. It was fun, but DAMN I'm going to get hammered this weekend.

Bye!

Well you definitely had a style that stood out from everyone else. And you kept it consistent and solid throughout. And hey, you can do some amazing things, you sure you can't reverse the final count? With your mind or something? All kidding aside, I'm sure you'll have loads of work coming your way.

[polystyleneman]

Round 4's final results

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/round-4-final-results/

WOW! What a surprise reversal! I stand very much corrected! And pleased to see my favorite still in it. :eek: That being said Caio is a fine artist who I expect to see working soon!

(And if things go well, maybe we'll even work together.)

[kamgates]

Wow wow wow.... that was a lot of vote culling. Crazy!!!

[cg_maniac]

holy crap! Caio Oliveira did get some votes taken away and dropped into 3rd place!

Jon Reed pulls the upset victory. :eek:

[TheRonin]

Allow me to say it again... the official results have yet to be posted!

All kidding aside, look for the official tally and new rankings very soon.

As matter of fact... ;)

Well I knew Dan was definitely out (way too big gap between his
numbers and the others) and I thought to congratulate everyone else while I
was at it. So let me rectify:
Caio: good luck :D Jon: it seems you gotta work this weekend,
congrats! :D

Cheers,
Francesco

[Marukesu]

Ridiculous... Very, very, very ridiculous...

[Brandon Hanvey]

We found a few instance of multi-voting again this round, and due to the how close the final results were, we did some more digging.

We found 2 instance of multi-votes in favor of Charles which we subtracted 4 votes.

Both Jon and Dan had no suspect votes that we could find or track.

Caio had one instance of a multi-vote that subtracted 4 votes. We then found 13 votes that had similar email addresses, that voted within 30 minutes of each other (basically about 4 minutes one after the other), with the same IP, and similar birthdays.

We then checked to see if the the email addresses were real. One actually bounced back the test we did meaning is was not a real email address. And none of the others responded.

[polystyleneman]

Ridiculous... Very, very, very ridiculous...

Ridiculous? If this is the result that was found due to fair and accurate votes I don't see how it can be seen as ridiculous. Or did you mean the implication that Caio's were somehow unfair? If so, I don't think it's fair to assume anything untoward about Caio.

Now let's see what the last assignment is, and who this mystery guest judge is.

[kamgates]

We found 2 instance of multi-votes in favor of Charles which we subtracted 4 votes.

Both Jon and Dan had no suspect votes that we could find or track.

Caio had one instance of a multi-vote that subtracted 4 votes.

Just curious, when you find a duplicate vote do you take away the duplicate and the original? Essentially revoking that person's right to vote?

I don't think that's bad, but given how close the numbers were at the end, it would have only taken three 'multi-voters' to have voted legitimately for Caio to have tied Reed.

[jpolacek]

Wow, I can't believe Caio got eliminated. Those were his best pages yet.

[Marukesu]

Ridiculous? If this is the result that was found due to fair and accurate votes I don't see how it can be seen as ridiculous. Or did you mean the implication that Caio's were somehow unfair? If so, I don't think it's fair to assume anything untoward about Caio.

Caio was harmed

Charles Paul III had several votes suspects. And REED.

Especially at the end of voting

I would like to know the criteria used to define these multiple votes on the same IP.

Because this result, in my view makes the whole credibility of the competition.

But finally, to be abroad, always will be wrong, it is not

[TCC]

Both Jon and Dan had no suspect votes that we could find or track.



they passed for the same investigation??

it seems like caio and wilson who have a board on the background are being punished for having friends when the others are somehow "unsuspicious" ...

all of them have votes most from newbies on the board... it seems fair to me that everybody would get the same treating...

[J. Torres]

they passed for the same investigation??

it seems like caio and wilson who have a board on the background are being punished for having friends when the others are somehow "unsuspicious" ...

all of them have votes most from newbies on the board... it seems fair to me that everybody would get the same treating...

They did get the same treatment.

What Brandon means is that no flags went up to indicate any wrong-doing that required further investigation.

[BADunn]

Dan! No!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

*crying*

You did so well this round and I was so happy to give you my vote, knowing that you truly executed your work the best of all four. This is a tragedy! Major publishers, take note: I want to buy books drawn by Dan McDaid! Give him work and I will pay extra! (But not too much. I'm poor.)

As for Charles, I can't say he's the winner yet but it's almost certain. And yet I am excited to see how Jon Reed will battle against the Wilson III juggernaut. Jon, in my opinion, pulled off an upset here and I would like to see him pull of another one in the finals. My vote (and hopefully your vote) is promised to no one until I (you) see the final results.

[Brandon Hanvey]

they passed for the same investigation??

it seems like caio and wilson who have a board on the background are being punished for having friends when the others are somehow "unsuspicious" ...

all of them have votes most from newbies on the board... it seems fair to me that everybody would get the same treating...

Yes I tried as much as I could to find suspect votes for all the contestants. And as I stated we subtracted 4 votes from Charles.



Just curious, when you find a duplicate vote do you take away the duplicate and the original? Essentially revoking that person's right to vote?

I don't think that's bad, but given how close the numbers were at the end, it would have only taken three 'multi-voters' to have voted legitimately for Caio to have tied Reed.

Yes we subtract both votes. Once someon decides to vote more than once and are caught, they forfeit your original vote. It is stated in the opening post.

[Brandon Hanvey]

We try to be fair and balanced as possible that is one of the reasons I do not ever vote in the polls.

[TCC]

well,I´m a disappointed with the results but what is done,is done.

good luck for the remaining contestants and i´ll be here next week to give one of them my vote.

so far,wilson is my favorite.

[Caio Oliveira]

Wow! That was soooo close! Anyway, lemme ask all my fellas of MBB and all my brazilian friends to chill out. I totally believe and accept the judgement of Brandon, J Torres and all the staff of CBR.

I'll get out of this competiton proud of myself, cuz I did the best I could, and proud of all my friends.

Be cool MBB guys. You were awesome. Thank you. And Thanks to J and Brandon.

And Congrats to Wilson and Reed. ;)

[jean sinclair]

Seriously...

I beleive that Brandon and all crew did a correct job and I don´t have any complaint about it.

I really want know WHO was the MTF that FUCKED with Caio doing this ridiculous multi-voting.

I´m really embrassing for this kind of behave of some Brazilian voters.

I beleive that Caio showed off his talent and He NEVER needed ask for multi-vote. This kind of thing happened because some stupid people thought that "cheat" is the best way to win the competition.

I will not vote in the final round cause my competitor is out.

Good luck for all.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Wow! That was soooo close! Anyway, lemme ask all my fellas of MBB and all my brazilian friends to chill out. I totally believe and accept the judgement of Brandon, J Torres and all the staff of CBR.

I'll get out of this competiton proud of myself, cuz I did the best I could, and proud of all my friends.

Be cool MBB guys. You were awesome. Thank you. And Thanks to J and Brandon.

And Congrats to Wilson and Reed. ;)

Thanks, Caio. I hope to see you published in comics soon.

[Kaishounashi]

Wow, lose like this is very awkward... It's a shame, but, life goes on. Caio still is a great artist and i hope to see him working very soon!

Congrats to Reed and C3PO.

[J. Torres]

All of you need to read this!


Wow! That was soooo close! Anyway, lemme ask all my fellas of MBB and all my brazilian friends to chill out. I totally believe and accept the judgement of Brandon, J Torres and all the staff of CBR.

I'll get out of this competiton proud of myself, cuz I did the best I could, and proud of all my friends.

Be cool MBB guys. You were awesome. Thank you. And Thanks to J and Brandon.

And Congrats to Wilson and Reed. ;)

You are a true gentleman, Caio.

I want everyone to know that when we first discovered the multi-voting that Caio not only cooperated with us to get to the bottom of things and agreed to whatever our decision would be regarding a recount, but he also offered to take himself out of the competiton when it was found out that two or three of the multi-voters were people he knew from an online community. Caio expressed his embarrassment and disappointment to us and asked to be let out of the competition so as not to cast a negative light on CBI. However, we only thought it fair to let him continue in the contest since he was not directly involved in any of this ballot stuffing by a few over-zealous fans. Caio then took the extra step to plead with his supporters to play fair.

Some posters ask how we know who's cheating? Sometimes those people leave a very obvious trail. Other times we dig and find enough evidence to discount their votes. And in Caio's case, he helped us verify where some of these suspect votes came from.

Thanks, Caio, for not only helping us keep things fair but also for bringing both your talents as an artist and an "ambasssador" to this contest.


...

[Osbra]

Now I hope so that Reed wins because I really don´t like de Wilson stile. Ity´s very 'dirty" for me....

[Caio Oliveira]

All of you need to read this!



You are a true gentleman, Caio.

I want everyone to know that when we first discovered the multi-voting that Caio not only cooperated with us to get to the bottom of things and agreed to whatever our decision would be regarding a recount, but he also offered to take himself out of the competiton when it was found out that two or three of the multi-voters were people he knew from an online community. Caio expressed his embarrassment and disappointment to us and asked to be let out of the competition so as not to cast a negative light on CBI. However, we only thought it fair to let him continue in the contest since he was not directly involved in any of this ballot stuffing by a few over-zealous fans. Caio then took the extra step to plead with his supporters to play fair.

Some posters ask how we know who's cheating? Sometimes those people leave a very obvious trail. Other times we dig and find enough evidence to discount their votes. And in Caio's case, he helped us verify where some of these suspect votes came from.

Thanks, Caio, for not only helping us keep things fair but also for bringing both your talents as an artist and an "ambasssador" to this contest.


...

No, thank YOU. And just you wait for me in the play-at-home thread. ;)

[polystyleneman]

Wow! That was soooo close! Anyway, lemme ask all my fellas of MBB and all my brazilian friends to chill out. I totally believe and accept the judgement of Brandon, J Torres and all the staff of CBR.

I'll get out of this competiton proud of myself, cuz I did the best I could, and proud of all my friends.

Be cool MBB guys. You were awesome. Thank you. And Thanks to J and Brandon.

And Congrats to Wilson and Reed. ;)

Very admirable words, Caio. You have a lot of integrity in these circumstances and your professionalism shows through.

But wait just one minute. You promised me bananas!!!! :D And by the way I'm amazed with how close your alien boy design was to mine. Or vice versa. Good luck, my man.

And a very gracious and honorable exit on your part.

[Dan M]

Yer awesome Caio. Definite sale over here!

[polystyleneman]

No, thank YOU. And just you wait for me in the play-at-home thread. ;)

Great, like we need that kind of competition! :p

[Caio Oliveira]

Yer awesome Caio. Definite sale over here!


Thanks. These words from the guy who can run faster than a three-legged lepard means a lot to me. Thank you! :D

[Pól Rua]

Good show, Caio.

[Goyo]

Congratulations Reed and CPWIII to making it to the finals. It'll be great to check the final assignment!

Dan and Caio, you are both my favourite artists during the whole competition - not meaning by that the finalists don't deserve to be in the final round.

Unfortunately, there are only two places for the final round at CBI, and you both didn't make it.

Fortunately for all of us comicbook readers, there'splenty of space for all contestants here to be showing their abilities soon at the professional comicbook industry!

It'll be fun to follow the adventures of you 4 "alien kids" in the distant galaxies of Publishing Comics!;)

As for all multivoters (it doesn't matter who you tried to cheat for): did you ever stop to think that you could really be making a potential artist lose his chance here? You tried to help, but the outcome could have been the extreme opposite.:rolleyes:

[Dan M]

Thanks. These words from the guy who can run faster than a three-legged lepard means a lot to me. Thank you! :D

Although that shouldn't sound awesome... it actually still kind of does.

Faster than a leopard, dammit!

I'm really looking forward to seeing your work out in the big bad world Caio. You've got that rare thing: a distinctive voice. Can't wait!

[Shawn333]

Congrats Jon and Charles.

Dan and Caio, you guys kick ass and I look forward to seeing your stuff in print. You guys definitely have a future in the business.

[mightyfineline]

The Young Dark Horse Vs. The Ten Ton Monster

Now this is gonna be something to see!!

[kamgates]

No, thank YOU. And just you wait for me in the play-at-home thread. ;)

Wow, now that's commitment to not take a break after four rounds of competition. We'll be very glad to have you over there!! :D

[shwa96]

...faster than a three-legged lepard...

That...is fantastic. I'm so stealing that expression.

[shwa96]

Now I hope so that Reed wins because I really don´t like de Wilson stile. Ity´s very 'dirty" for me....

Wilson may not be perfect, but "dirty" is the last word I would use to describe his style.

[Caio Oliveira]

That...is fantastic. I'm so stealing that expression.

Be my guest. But pay royalties to Jimmydee. ;)

[escapegoat]

How come no one's making any mention of the fact that Assignment #5 is up and posted on the main cbi page?

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/

[escapegoat]

..and which one of the guest judges is the "cool" one? :cool:

[Brandon Hanvey]

How come no one's making any mention of the fact that Assignment #5 is up and posted on the main cbi page?

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/

I just did.

[The Armando]

Great! Jon made it! :)
Crap! Dan didn't. :(
Congrats to the big two!

[Faded]

Noooooo~ I'm too late. :o

[polystyleneman]

Great! Jon made it! :)
Crap! Dan didn't. :(
Congrats to the big two!

AWESOME! OLD SCHOOL! So one thing that doesn't seem clear, do the contestants have to stick to Spider-Man, Iceman and Firestar or can it be new and different friends?

[kalorama]

Congrats to Jon and Charles. Good work. I had a feeling it would come down to you two.

[joelcook]

Wow... I just got back from my night class... and was shocked that the results were the way they were...

Caio, my friend... you are awesome, and I am just honored to even get to work with you... This was a balls to the wall competition, and you did very well.

Dan... nice style man... I kinda missed those washes, but I know you will get work soon!

P.S. Caio... can I PUH LEEZ post something (ahem...2 pages spread)...its driving me crazy!

[Caio Oliveira]

Wow... I just got back from my night class... and was shocked that the results were the way they were...

Caio, my friend... you are awesome, and I am just honored to even get to work with you... This was a balls to the wall competition, and you did very well.

Dan... nice style man... I kinda missed those washes, but I know you will get work soon!

P.S. Caio... can I PUH LEEZ post something (ahem...2 pages spread)...its driving me crazy!

Are you asking me, boss? :confused: Go ahead, be my guest! ;)

[Yu-mon]

Hi, :)

Caio I like u, mais uma vez parabéns pelo seu esforço e por nos proporcionar com otimos desenhos com o seu estilo que encanta muita gente.

and... Hi Brandon =) saudades

[Brandon Hanvey]

Round 4 graphs

http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r4graph.gif

http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r1r2r3r4graph.gif

[Whosthemaster]

I'm disappointed and sad for Caio's loss. Wish you great luck on those future projects, man!

[Gene Frenkle]

No, thank YOU. And just you wait for me in the play-at-home thread. ;)
Man, I´m really sad to see that you didn´t make it, because, as I said before, I would really love to see you drawing Spidey. I´m really looking forward to see your work at the play-at-home thread!

And it´s the second week that i wait till the last minute to vote and my boss just appears out of nowhere and keep me busy. If my vote was crucial to save you I would be very sad.

[TuPeT]

It's kinda sad that Caio couldn't go on, but he fell fighting. Keep up the good work Caio and Dan. Since the first rounds my favorite artists.

Congrats to Reed and C3PO, up to the final Clash. Good Luck guys!

[Joe Rice]

Christ alive. It seems that me liking art makes it disappear. Unbelievable . . .I know it's a popularity contest, but it really irks me that art is in a popularity contest. I think it's striking how many times, especially recently, the judges loved and/or voted for the folks being booted. I've nothing to vote for anymore and no reason to keep on with this competition. That bums me out a bit.

[polystyleneman]

Christ alive. It seems that me liking art makes it disappear. Unbelievable . . .I know it's a popularity contest, but it really irks me that art is in a popularity contest. I think it's striking how many times, especially recently, the judges loved and/or voted for the folks being booted. I've nothing to vote for anymore and no reason to keep on with this competition. That bums me out a bit.

That's funny because the two that are continuing don't seem to be the most popular ones here, or at least they don't have the most vocal fan base.

[Joe Rice]

That's funny because the two that are continuing don't seem to be the most popular ones here, or at least they don't have the most vocal fan base.

They definitely seem less popular among folks that talk about comics a lot.

[polystyleneman]

They definitely seem less popular among folks that talk about comics a lot.

Which just seems to support the idea that people aren't getting through rounds through popularity alone.

[Joe Rice]

Which just seems to support the idea that people aren't getting through rounds through popularity alone.

By "popularity" I mean the "friends and family" factor. It's clear, to me, at least, that those most talented in sequential storytelling are not getting the votes.

[MartinRedmond]

Not true, Jon Reed's awesome.

Most contestants have gotten some projects anyway, which I have no clue what they are, other than "they've been given stuff to do", so whatever.

[polystyleneman]

Not true, Jon Reed's awesome.

Most contestants have gotten some projects anyway, which I have no clue what they are, other than "they've been given stuff to do", so whatever.

Personally I think Jon Reed is very talented as well, my favorite in this competition though he doesn't seem as popular as say Dan or Caio. I also think that Charles is a very talented storyteller. I think it's subjective who is the best storyteller and near impossible to say that objectively.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Personally I think Jon Reed is very talented as well, my favorite in this competition though he doesn't seem as popular as say Dan or Caio. I also think that Charles is a very talented storyteller. I think it's subjective who is the best storyteller and near impossible to say that objectively.

While I agree that art is subjective, I think some parts are more subjective than others.

The how someone draws or the style can be really subjective since cartooning is a lot about taking things from real life and re-imagining them.

But what someone draws or the way they tell a story is a little less subjective. There are differences in how clearly and the methods used to tell the story that can be judged on some levels of quality.

[Joe Rice]

And, by the way, Brandon and J., please do not take my disheartening to heart vis a vis your performance. You've been exemplary hosts/moderators/sexydancers and I really admire everything you've done for this.

[Brandon Hanvey]

And, by the way, Brandon and J., please do not take my disheartening to heart vis a vis your performance. You've been exemplary hosts/moderators/sexydancers and I really admire everything you've done for this.

Joe,

We know it's not a perfect system, but we try our hardest to get things done right.

Plus my dancing sucks.

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[Joe Rice]

Joe,

We know it's not a perfect system, but we try our hardest to get things done right.

Plus my dancing sucks.

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My wiener says otherwise.

[polystyleneman]

While I agree that art is subjective, I think some parts are more subjective than others.

The how someone draws or the style can be really subjective since cartooning is a lot about taking things from real life and re-imagining them.

But what someone draws or the way they tell a story is a little less subjective. There are differences in how clearly and the methods used to tell the story that can be judged on some levels of quality.

if you can conlcusively say who is the best, why do we vote and not all just simply agree?

[Joe Rice]

if you can conlcusively say who is the best, why do we vote and not all just simply agree?

Because some people know less than others.

[polystyleneman]

Because some people know less than others.

Right..... one person in here has the omniscience to say who knows more than who and to state their opinion as the final word and disavow everyone else's vote, and can discount the factors that informed their vote?

If so, that's very interesting.

[Joe Rice]

Right..... one person in here has the omniscience to say who knows more than who and to state their opinion as the final word and disavow everyone else's vote, and can discount the factors that informed their vote?

If so, that's very interesting.

No, but I can dream, can't I?

[polystyleneman]

No, but I can dream, can't I?

:D That response makes you alright in my book.

[Brandon Hanvey]

if you can conlcusively say who is the best, why do we vote and not all just simply agree?

I didn't say everyone had the same standard in terms of judging art. I just said that some parts are more subjective than others. In the end, it comes down to what you enjoy. And the factors that makes someone enjoy something may not be the same as others.

[elheffe]

Christ alive. It seems that me liking art makes it disappear. Unbelievable . . .I know it's a popularity contest, but it really irks me that art is in a popularity contest. I think it's striking how many times, especially recently, the judges loved and/or voted for the folks being booted. I've nothing to vote for anymore and no reason to keep on with this competition. That bums me out a bit.

I know this won't make you feel any better, but with McDaid out, I'm in the same boat as you.

[polystyleneman]

I didn't say everyone had the same standard in terms of judging art. I just said that some parts are more subjective than others. In the end, it comes down to what you enjoy. And the factors that makes someone enjoy something may not be the same as others.

Ironically that's the same point I was making. I'm not defending my opinion because that's all it is, an opinion informed and influenced by experience and bias. All I was defending was the idea that people disgruntled with the contest results thus far shouldn't look down on the other voters or their motives.

I also agree with your earlier post. I wasn't referencing that or arguing it because I agreed and had nothing more to add. There are some ways of critiquing artwork that can be very objective - perspective and anatomical accuracy, use of composition and contrasts, etc... - but in terms of saying that any one artist is a definitively better storyteller than another, or to say that one's judgement of who is the best contestant in this contest would be a very hard argument to defend.

[Venaeli]

Everybody in this contest has been quite talented. I'm impressed all around and wish them all the best in their pursuit.

[kalorama]

They definitely seem less popular among folks that talk about comics a lot.


By "popularity" I mean the "friends and family" factor. It's clear, to me, at least, that those most talented in sequential storytelling are not getting the votes.

Or perhaps the people that like/vote for them just aren't as vocal. Caio Oliveira had a sizable friend/family contingent who were all over the board, but he still got voted out.

Art is always subjective and beyond the basic structural building blocks of the form, it all comes down to what people like. That's how it works in the actual comics business where fans vote with their wallets. No reason why that same standard shouldn't be good enough to work here.

At the end of the day I'm sure it's "clear" to everyone that the artist they like best is so much better than the ones they don't like so much. With makes us all equally right and equally wrong.

[Nick Pitarra]

At the end of the day I'm sure it's "clear" to everyone that the artist they like best is so much better than the ones they don't like so much. With makes us all equally right and equally wrong.

I myself, am always more than right and never wrong.:)

[Nick Pitarra]

Not true, Jon Reed's awesome.


I agree, Jon deserves to be in the final two, theres no doubt that his work is freaking awesome. I can't wait to see what he does for round 5.

~nick

[J. Torres]

Plus my dancing sucks.


I on the other hand am the Tony Manero of comics.