Is Cho right about the Hulk?

[CMBMOOL]

Is Adameus Cho correct in guess that the Hulk isn't a killer, because that got me thinking about the ending of WWH#4 and a theory on #5:

What if the Hulk is trying to show the Illuminati and the heroes, just what he been through on Sakaar ? :(

What I mean is that despite the ending of #4 being that Hulk just ordered Stark's demises, what if he saves him at the last minute recreating his first battle on Sakaar.

What I mean is what if the Hulk is trying to find out who really blew up the ship by having the heroes recreate some of his adventures on Sakaar, but the Sentry shows up ruining the moment? :(

I know the Idea is a long shot, but isn't it one that should be considered ?:(

[DaeJi]

Yeah, that is a long shot. Honestly, I think Cho is dead wrong about the Hulk in so many, many ways. I don't think the Hulk was a killer, but I think he became one.

[Drdmx]

I like the thought process.

I dont think that Hulk intends to let Reed kill Stark, but im not sure if its to expose whoever pushed the button on Sakaar. I think its just like Cho has said all along, that he's all about proving a point, except The Sentrys interference is probably unaccounted for in Hulks plans, so things could go wrong.

[Rahul]

I think Cho is an idealistic moron.

[Magneto Rocks]

What I mean is that despite the ending of #4 being that Hulk just ordered Stark's demises, what if he saves him at the last minute recreating his first battle on Sakaar.(

Then he's really not much better, and that doesn't make him less of a villain. If anything, convincing someone you're about to have their close friend kill you, while convincing the friend they're going to kill him, WHILE convincing the families involved one friend will kill the other before their eyes, is just torture plain and simple. Then again, Hulk already has quite the torture record in WWH so what's another addition?

Plus of course, if it isn't something on the Obedience disks then he'd be relying solely on himself or one of his Warbound flunkies making it there in time to stop it, which is leaving an awful lot to chance and thus could probably be construed as attempted murder in itself.

So realistically, at this point whatever happens does not look at all good for Hulk from a moral standpoint. I mean, he crossed the line before but the end of WWH 4 is when he reaches waaay beyond Point of No Return, if the tortures and whatnot and the fights themselves weren't that already.

[CrackerBob]

Dude, they tricked him into going into exile.

They blew up his PLANET.

They killed his wife, his kids, and the world where he was finally at peace.


If Doom had done this to Reed Richards, we'd be talking about how Doom needs a good butt kicking. Why should Iron Man and his cronies get a free pass?


Is there even such thing as too far?

[Drdmx]

:cool: I agree with you and all man, but after watching some people post on this forum with regards to the Hulk and his reasoning, its not even worth trying to convince them. Kinda like the people who come to the WWH forums and make shrine threads to Thor, you just have to ignore it.

[Lord Moon]

Even if the Hulk revealed himself to be Santa Claus and travelled the Earth giving presents to all the good little boys and girls, Magneto Rocks would accuse him of enslaving the elven race.

[DaeJi]

They blew up his PLANET.

No one knows who was behind the bomb, but it would be grossly out of character for any of them to do that (unless one was a Skrull). And the difference between the Illumnati and Doom, is the they had the best intentions when they exiled the Hulk. And if good intentions wasn't enough for people, then the Hulk would be a villain no question.

[The Cool Thatguy]

No one knows who was behind the bomb, but it would be grossly out of character for any of them to do that (unless one was a Skrull). And the difference between the Illumnati and Doom, is the they had the best intentions when they exiled the Hulk. And if good intentions wasn't enough for people, then the Hulk would be a villain no question.

While I hold the opinion that one of the Warbound blew up the ship, saying it's 'out of character' hardly absolves the four involved. Suppose it was an accidental malfunction? Intended effect or not, that still means they're responsible.

[CMBMOOL]

While I hold the opinion that one of the Warbound blew up the ship, saying it's 'out of character' hardly absolves the four involved. Suppose it was an accidental malfunction? Intended effect or not, that still means they're responsible.

That is correct it sort of like how Peter went to Tony to get help for May, but Tony wouldn't help him indirectly.

However Tony help him out secretly, sending Jarvis as a front, because in a way Tony did play a role with Spider-man decision to unmask in the first place and to leave the pro-side during the Civil War.

So even if the Illuminati aren't the ones who blew up Sakaar, they are still guilty by association of the ship that brought the Hulk to the planet in the first place, and don't count Xaiver, because the Hulk took pity on him and the X-men. :D

[Drdmx]

No one knows who was behind the bomb, but it would be grossly out of character for any of them to do that (unless one was a Skrull). And the difference between the Illumnati and Doom, is the they had the best intentions when they exiled the Hulk. And if good intentions wasn't enough for people, then the Hulk would be a villain no question.

The road to Hell is paved by people with..."good intentions".

[Lord Moon]

The road to Hell is paved by people with..."good intentions".

That's good surely. If the road to Hell was paved by people with bad intentions then each paving slab would be embedded with spikes or broken glass whereas the the good intentioned paving contractors would make things more comfortable on the journey. And let's face it, considering the destination you wouldn't want the road to be any less comfortable than it needs.

[Magneto Rocks]

The road to Hell is paved by people with..."good intentions".

So's the road to Heaven unless Jesus died in the fervent hope that he'd doom mankind.

I hate when people say "Well, evil people always say they have good intentions!" Because this seems to ignore the fact that good people always say they have good intentions too.

Even if the Hulk revealed himself to be Santa Claus and travelled the Earth giving presents to all the good little boys and girls, Magneto Rocks would accuse him of enslaving the elven race.

Well no, I'd probably point out that he still caused a few billion dollars worth of property damage and killed some people before he became Saint Nick. ;)

[Lord Moon]

Well no, I'd probably point out that he still caused a few billion dollars worth of property damage and killed some people before he became Saint Nick. ;)

Details, mere details. And facts.

[Lord Moon]

Yes please!

Crabs die if they walk forwards.

[Alan2099]

No one knows who was behind the bomb, but it would be grossly out of character for any of them to do that (unless one was a Skrull). And the difference between the Illumnati and Doom, is the they had the best intentions when they exiled the Hulk. And if good intentions wasn't enough for people, then the Hulk would be a villain no question.

Doom has good intentions. He just wants the world to be a better place, and he thinks the best way to go about this is getting the rest of the world to admit he's the best guy that ever lived and let him just rule it.

Same for magneto. Perfectly good intentions.

That doesn't stop either of them from trying to blow up innocent people from time to time.

[CrackerBob]

Exactly.

The Illuminati decided that they know what's best for the world and then kidnapped and exiled the Hulk. The ship they used to commit these crimes then exploded and destroyed an entire planet. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Hulk has ever destroyed an entire planet of people. Whether it was equipment malfunction, sabotage, or a planned explosion, the Illuminati is still responsible because if they had not put Hulk on that ship, it would not have been on that planet. When a robber runs over an old lady while evading the police, he's guilty of murder - it doesn't matter if he INTENDED to kill the woman. By this same reasoning, the Illuminati is guilty of mass genocide.

Lex Luthor believes he is doing what;'s right for our planet when he tries to destroy Superman - does that excuse him?

Not in the least.

[ivesaidway2much]

I hate when people say "Well, evil people always say they have good intentions!" Because this seems to ignore the fact that good people always say they have good intentions too. Yeah, but good people don't generally commit major felonies on the way to fulfilling their good intentions. Bad people, on the other hand...

[Magneto Rocks]

Yeah, but good people don't generally commit major felonies on the way to fulfilling their good intentions. Bad people, on the other hand...

They don't? Guess Hulk isn't a good person then either, is he? Or, well basically all heroes for that matter. How many times have we seen Cap or Spidey bend the rules? Or any hero for that matter? Oh right, we just read an entire massive crossover in which the side *you support* committed multiple major felonies on the way to fulfilling their good intentions. Guess every single person on Cap's side in the Civil War is a bad person.

[Drdmx]

Cap and Spideys bending of the rules dont end up in entire planets dying. As a matter of fact, I dont think The Hulks record of "major felonies" have gotten that high either. Looks like Stark, Reed and the others are just "eager beavers" and trying to win the race eh?

[ivesaidway2much]

They don't? Guess Hulk isn't a good person then either, is he? Or, well basically all heroes for that matter. How many times have we seen Cap or Spidey bend the rules? Or any hero for that matter? Oh right, we just read an entire massive crossover in which the side *you support* committed multiple major felonies on the way to fulfilling their good intentions. Guess every single person on Cap's side in the Civil War is a bad person.I never said the Hulk was a good guy. Just that the Illuminati are definitely bad guys. So were the anti-regs and pro-regs during Civil War. So yeah, good guys rarely commit major felonies for the sake of their intentions. Bad guys, on the other hand...

[Funkdmonkey]

Everyone can appear evil at the right perspective.

[Drdmx]

If you dont control your anger, then your anger will surely control you. - Sphinx

[Hulk Strongest One]

If you dont control your anger, then your anger will surely control you. - Sphinx

On the other hand, statistically it's quite reasonable to execute someone who is so careless their actions lead to the deaths of millions, simply as a warning to others.

No, you do not, in fact, get to be so careless. Here's what those millions will do to you.

Playing statistical games with the lives of millions in order to "remain good" and prevent yourself from "descending to their level" is some silly ethics from the world of comic books and

uhh

oh

nevermind. :)

[Drdmx]

I actually just thought it would be funny to Quote the Sphinx from Mystery Men with his rhetorical sayings but O.K.