WWH continuity (when, where?)

[Thundergod]

Hi, i havent read WWH cause im waiting for the TPB, but i do read avengers every month and havent seen anything about WWH, when is world war hulk taking place? Thanks!

[ivesaidway2much]

Hi, i havent read WWH cause im waiting for the TPB, but i do read avengers every month and havent seen anything about WWH, when is world war hulk taking place? Thanks!Is Avengers Tower still around in the Avengers' comics?

[zhivago]

This is Marvel Universe we are talking about. Continuity time lines are irrelevant.

[Superbeast]

Well, it was quite short in actual time (3-5 days) and happened before the current Avengers arc but after they'd patched up Stark Tower. I'd say current continuity is about 2 months after WWH where a lot of repair work has been fixed up by Damage Control and the Avengers helping out.

[Clea]

Hi, i havent read WWH cause im waiting for the TPB, but i do read avengers every month and havent seen anything about WWH, when is world war hulk taking place? Thanks!

I believe that the upcoming New Avengers Annual will include the aftermath of WWH, so maybe it doesn't fit into Avengers continuity until then. I don't know for sure.

[Magneto Rocks]

To be honest, unfortunately a lot of comics are kind of ignoring World War Hulk. Iron Man is on a post-WWH arc in which Stark Tower is fine. Captain America totally skirts it, as does Fantastic Four, as do multiple titles.

Spider-Man and FF are probably the worst for this, since the only possible way the timeline can make sense is if Reed and Sue issue an emergency recall for Panther and Sue before they return to their other embassy in order to take part in WWH. Spidey is worse since...

...Well, there's no Earthly way the Spider-titles can fit into the WWH timeline.

And the Avengers titles don't even make sense with each other let alone World War Hulk. Illuminati #5 references it, which means it has to take place afterwards. However, the wording and subject HEAVILY indicate it takes place almost immediately after the second Mighty Avengers arc, in which the SHIELD tower is still intact. Worse still, this means it happens immediately after an arc which happens within days of the FORMATION of the Mighty Avengers. So as far as I can tell:

-The Mighty Avengers are formed
-The Mighty Avengers battle Ultron
-The Mighty Avengers battle the New Avengers (Yes, this in itself does not make sense with the above)
-The Mighty Avengers battle symbiotes
-The Skrulls are discovered and World War Hulk is over.

And all of these happen within days. So... basically, the timelines do not remotely make sense.

[Mike Smash!]

To be honest, unfortunately a lot of comics are kind of ignoring World War Hulk. Iron Man is on a post-WWH arc in which Stark Tower is fine. Captain America totally skirts it, as does Fantastic Four, as do multiple titles.

Spider-Man and FF are probably the worst for this, since the only possible way the timeline can make sense is if Reed and Sue issue an emergency recall for Panther and Sue before they return to their other embassy in order to take part in WWH. Spidey is worse since...

...Well, there's no Earthly way the Spider-titles can fit into the WWH timeline.

And the Avengers titles don't even make sense with each other let alone World War Hulk. Illuminati #5 references it, which means it has to take place afterwards. However, the wording and subject HEAVILY indicate it takes place almost immediately after the second Mighty Avengers arc, in which the SHIELD tower is still intact. Worse still, this means it happens immediately after an arc which happens within days of the FORMATION of the Mighty Avengers. So as far as I can tell:

-The Mighty Avengers are formed
-The Mighty Avengers battle Ultron
-The Mighty Avengers battle the New Avengers (Yes, this in itself does not make sense with the above)
-The Mighty Avengers battle symbiotes
-The Skrulls are discovered and World War Hulk is over.

And all of these happen within days. So... basically, the timelines do not remotely make sense.Thanks to the adventures of the Irredeemable Ant-Man, we do know that WWH happened after the Mighty Avengers fought Ultron.

[Magneto Rocks]

Thanks to the adventures of the Irredeemable Ant-Man, we do know that WWH happened after the Mighty Avengers fought Ultron.

Thanks to the adventures of New Avengers, we know they fought the Mighty Avengers about three days before the Mighty Avengers actually decided on members and formed, so I'll take the timelines being offered with a pinch of salt. ;)

[Superbeast]

Thanks to the adventures of the Irredeemable Ant-Man, we do know that WWH happened after the Mighty Avengers fought Ultron.

So issues released after WWH take place before WWH?

GODDAMNIT. How does that even work?

Awesome! 369! My favourite... number.

*CELEBRATES POST*

[Clea]

So issues released after WWH take place before WWH?

GODDAMNIT. How does that even work?

Awesome! 369! My favourite... number.

*CELEBRATES POST*


It all works...later on in the trades. Maybe.

[ivesaidway2much]

To be honest, unfortunately a lot of comics are kind of ignoring World War Hulk. Iron Man is on a post-WWH arc in which Stark Tower is fine. Captain America totally skirts it, as does Fantastic Four, as do multiple titles.

Spider-Man and FF are probably the worst for this, since the only possible way the timeline can make sense is if Reed and Sue issue an emergency recall for Panther and Sue before they return to their other embassy in order to take part in WWH. Spidey is worse since...

...Well, there's no Earthly way the Spider-titles can fit into the WWH timeline.

And the Avengers titles don't even make sense with each other let alone World War Hulk. Illuminati #5 references it, which means it has to take place afterwards. However, the wording and subject HEAVILY indicate it takes place almost immediately after the second Mighty Avengers arc, in which the SHIELD tower is still intact. Worse still, this means it happens immediately after an arc which happens within days of the FORMATION of the Mighty Avengers. So as far as I can tell:

-The Mighty Avengers are formed
-The Mighty Avengers battle Ultron
-The Mighty Avengers battle the New Avengers (Yes, this in itself does not make sense with the above)
-The Mighty Avengers battle symbiotes
-The Skrulls are discovered and World War Hulk is over.

And all of these happen within days. So... basically, the timelines do not remotely make sense.So is Silent War before or after all of this?

[XPac]

I think the problem is a lot of marvel books are having troubles with their own time lines even independent of the company event. Add that to the mix, and you almost might as well give up.

Spider-Man and Avengers are really confusing right now... which I suppose isnt' too suprising given the number of books involved as well as issues of delays and scheduling. Spidey can't even begin to tie into ANY other book, while Avengers despite making some kind of effort is really having problems connecting the dots.

And some titles of course just ignored the event, which to me is kinda lame on the part of the writers. Iron Man for example. That book heavily tied into the WWH Hulk event... then the writers just ignored the whole thing afterwards. Weak. Some writers are simply less willing to acknowledge that they happen to exist in a shared universe... even if said events occured in the very last issue of that very book.

[Blader5489]

Jeez, it's not hard people. It goes:

New/Mighty Avengers --> WWH --> the core books (e.g. Iron Man, Cap, FF)

Obviously the Tower is rebuilt after WWH.

As for Spider-Man, the Back in Black stories happen between Civil War and WWH. One More Day is post-WWH.

[Slyfer]

Hold on in New Avengers Illumintai #5 Doc Strange was speaking to Iron man and he said

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/shipping110707/NEWAVNILU005_int-3.jpg

I am assuming that it occurred right after civil War

[Lrn2Reed]

Hold on in New Avengers Illumintai #5 Doc Strange was speaking to Iron man and he said

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/shipping110707/NEWAVNILU005_int-3.jpg

I am assuming that it occurred right after civil War

Nah, I think that just means when they sent the Hulk on his little "vacation." It doesn't directly mean World War Hulk, probably just planet hulk...

Atleast that's what I think...

[beetheb]

You know, it makes perfect sense that the current Mighty Avengers arc takes place before WWH. It perfectly explains why Sentry was so whacko through the whole event, as well as why Lindy wasn't around.

Also: Did New Avengers: Illtuminati #5 come out already? I Can't believe I'd miss that. Was it this week?

[Blader5489]

You know, it makes perfect sense that the current Mighty Avengers arc takes place before WWH. It perfectly explains why Sentry was so whacko through the whole event, as well as why Lindy wasn't around.

Also: Did New Avengers: Illtuminati #5 come out already? I Can't believe I'd miss that. Was it this week?

November 7th

And I think Bendis confirmed that Illuminati #5 is post-WWH as well.

[jackolover]

Just a heads up for anybody coming across any Daily Bugle newpaper dates in the books. For example -

See WWH FL #1 cover. The Bugle date is 27th June 2007 for the start of WWH. Released at stores 27/6/07

See Ms Marvel #18 inside. Bugle date is 12th August 2007, way past WWH. Released at stores 2/8/07

Anybody please who comes across any other Bugle dates in other books, let us know.

This makes Ms Marvel #15 - 20, all post-WWH.

[matthewaos]

That doesn't prove anything. Referring to dates makes it even more confusing.

As for Spider-Man continuity. The back in Black issues went like that, I think:
Asm first, and then sensational, FNSM and NA. Not necessary with that order, but I'm sure ASM happens first, and there is some time after that happens and OMD.
As for the rest, I'm not sure what happens with the MA which I think create the problem, because there is also Fallen Son Avengers (which was released before MA #1 was out, am I right?) and Silent War, which it will be logical to happen after WWH, because 1)Black Bolt appears in WWH, 2) The MA have been formed.

[jackolover]

That doesn't prove anything. Referring to dates makes it even more confusing.



I don't know what it proves yet. But collecting the facts and dates may clue us in, so I still ask that people keep their eyes open and report any findings.

It's interesting that the dates shown on the Bugle are close to their publishing dates.

[Magneto Rocks]

I don't know what it proves yet. But collecting the facts and dates may clue us in, so I still ask that people keep their eyes open and report any findings.

It's interesting that the dates shown on the Bugle are close to their publishing dates.

It's not interesting, it's basically the only reason those dates are selected. Dates absolutely cannot be used as proof in a universe where in 5 years time, the events of Civil War, WWH and Secret Invasion will have been compressed to a 2 month time period!

[Drdmx]

Did that guy just tell someone else what they find interesting?

[matthewaos]

Actually what I think is that all post WWH stories happen some time after the event. I mean, there should be time to rebuild the city, right? I guess it would be more than 3 - 5 days, that the event is taking place.

[jackolover]

It's not interesting, it's basically the only reason those dates are selected. Dates absolutely cannot be used as proof in a universe where in 5 years time, the events of Civil War, WWH and Secret Invasion will have been compressed to a 2 month time period!

Yeah, but you never gave me a good enough reason why the dates don't prove the continuity of books.

I say collect the data before you dismiss the idea. Lets find more dates from Bugles in CW, Initiative, and WWH, and then make that call.

[matthewaos]

Why this does not work is because of this: First thing that came to my mind was an issue of X-Men (not sure if it was Uncanny or not), when Onslaught was happening. (meaning 1997 or 1998, right?). Lobdel establishes that it's the year 2000-something, not remember exactly. Now, you can also see older comics referring to the actual year, when this does not make sense. But if I find anything I'll post it.