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Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 01:39 PM

On to Round 4

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/round-four-the-final-four/

This round’s guest judge is artist Francis Manapul, who recently signed an exclusive with DC Comics and along with the legendary Jim Shooter will be taking over the Legion book starting in December. Francis also provides us with this week’s four-page plot script featuring the Legion of Super-Heroes.

As for this Round's Prize

Francis will hand-pick one of you and submit your samples to Legion editor Mike Marts for some invaluable feedback and a really good networking opportunity. Incidentally, Mike got me my first “big” assignment at Marvel way back when (”Black Panther” #57-58), so I can say from experience that he’s a good guy to have in your corner. How’s that for a bonus prize?

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 01:48 PM

4 pages this time. Let's see if the contestants can handle one more page in the same amount of time.

bolapucc

11-01-2007, 01:49 PM

Read the script. Can't wait to see what Caio will do with it.

And I'm sure Dan will have a blast too!

:-)

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 01:50 PM

Read the script. Can't wait to see what Caio will do with it.

And I'm sure Dan will have a blast too!

:-)

I wonder if we will see the current Legion or something from the past?

Dan M

11-01-2007, 01:52 PM

I wonder if we will see the current Legion or something from the past?

Current!

...probably. :)

bolapucc

11-01-2007, 01:53 PM

That should be interesting!

As Manapul didn't make any request, I think that the contestants will use the Legion that they liked best...

Ouch... Confusing continuity... time travel... Crisis... head hurts...

Caio Oliveira

11-01-2007, 01:56 PM

I wonder if we will see the current Legion or something from the past?

I don't know if there is a LOT of differences, but I'll use as reference a Legion story draw by Alan Davis that I really love.:D

bolapucc

11-01-2007, 01:57 PM

Current!

...probably. :)

Really?

I thought that you were going all Swan on us! - And that's a compliment, by the way...

Oh, and what "current"? For the looks of the current DC Universe, I think that there's at least 325.432 different "Legions" running around over there...

Damn Didio and those Silver Age lovers:rolleyes:

bolapucc

11-01-2007, 01:59 PM

I loved the Tom Peyer days

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 02:00 PM

I don't know if there is a LOT of differences, but I'll use as reference a Legion story draw by Alan Davis that I really love.:D

In terms of costumes and some characters, yes there are differences.

Dan M

11-01-2007, 02:03 PM

Really?

I thought that you were going all Swan on us! - And that's a compliment, by the way...

Mmmm, Curt Swan...

I might go for a sort of amalgam, not sure yet. But you can bet Bouncing Boy will be in there...!

And maybe Matter-Eater Lad if I'm feeling cheeky!

escapegoat

11-01-2007, 02:05 PM

In terms of costumes and some characters, yes there are differences.

I'd go as far to say that there's a plethora of differences.

Although that's only because I like making use of the word "plethora" :p

escapegoat

11-01-2007, 02:05 PM

Mmmm, Curt Swan...

I might go for a sort of amalgam, not sure yet. But you can bet Bouncing Boy will be in there...!

And maybe Matter-Eater Lad if I'm feeling cheeky!

Woot! You're stealing my vote already! :D

jasonbaroody

11-01-2007, 02:07 PM

Mmmm, Curt Swan...

I might go for a sort of amalgam, not sure yet. But you can bet Bouncing Boy will be in there...!

And maybe Matter-Eater Lad if I'm feeling cheeky!
Matter-Eater Lad, YES! can't wait.

Dan M

11-01-2007, 02:08 PM

Matter-Eater Lad, YES! can't wait.

Maybe, like, chewing on a pipe or something. Just because.

God, I love Matter-Eater Lad.

Caio Oliveira

11-01-2007, 02:10 PM

In terms of costumes and some characters, yes there are differences.

Really? :( Damn! But, you think it is a problem? :confused:

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 02:10 PM

Really? :( Damn! But, you think it is a problem? :confused:

Part of being a good artist is doing the research on your subject.

R Santos Jr

11-01-2007, 02:22 PM

Really? :( Damn! But, you think it is a problem? :confused:
For winning the Round?
Not at all... at least for 2 people in the competition...
For winning over the Judges, notable members of the industry and perhaps editors that might consider you for a job?
Very big problem.

Good luck.

polystyleneman

11-01-2007, 02:25 PM

Can't wait to see what you guys do with this! I know I'm aching to get started in the Play-At-Home thread! Damn work! ;)

escapegoat

11-01-2007, 02:29 PM

Maybe, like, chewing on a pipe or something. Just because.

God, I love Matter-Eater Lad.

Throw Proty in there somewhere and I'll build an alter to your name and worship you.

Okay, maybe I won't go that far......

jpolacek

11-01-2007, 02:46 PM

Part of being a good artist is doing the research on your subject.

Very true! Companies aren't going to let you draw their characters if you can't draw them correctly.

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 02:48 PM

Very true! Companies aren't going to let you draw their characters if you can't draw them correctly.

Though a lot of times the company supplies the reference to the artist if requested.

Sheldon

11-01-2007, 02:50 PM

This one looks like its gonna be a ton of fun. I like the amount of flexibility given to the artists. It'll be neat to see what they do with it. Good luck everyone!

joshm

11-01-2007, 02:53 PM

This one looks fun. :)

jasonbaroody

11-01-2007, 03:03 PM

Maybe, like, chewing on a pipe or something. Just because.

God, I love Matter-Eater Lad.
awesome! have him take a bite out of bloc.;)

bolapucc

11-01-2007, 03:10 PM

Really? :( Damn! But, you think it is a problem? :confused:

Inside joke:

Quase deu uma de Vanderson;)

Translation:
You almost pulled a "Vanderson"

:eek:

Francis Manapul

11-01-2007, 03:15 PM

Looking forward to what you guys do! I tried to keep it as open ended as I could so that you guys can stretch your muscles and show your individuality. But at the same time this sense of freedom is a double edged sword as it will show some of your weaknesses. Regardless it's gonna be fun!

polystyleneman

11-01-2007, 03:17 PM

Caio Oliviera!!!!!

Oh, sorry, that comes later. ;)

the goddamn batman

11-01-2007, 03:48 PM

Okay, maybe I won't go that far......

But maybe you will. Key word being 'maybe'.:D

the goddamn batman

11-01-2007, 03:50 PM

Though a lot of times the company supplies the reference to the artist if requested.

A company like DC will certainly ship out the most current books to a new artist on a title. That's easier and faster than sending back pages.

And don't most (maybe only high end) creators at Marvel and DC get a box of like, most everything each month? Pretty sure Warren Ellis does... or used to. I dunno.:confused:

Justin Davis

11-01-2007, 03:59 PM

For winning the Round?
Not at all... at least for 2 people in the competition...
For winning over the Judges, notable members of the industry and perhaps editors that might consider you for a job?
Very big problem.

Good luck.

That's a very good point. However, if the era or costumes aren't specified in the script, it could be left up to each artist to interpret.

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 04:06 PM

A company like DC will certainly ship out the most current books to a new artist on a title. That's easier and faster than sending back pages.

And don't most (maybe only high end) creators at Marvel and DC get a box of like, most everything each month? Pretty sure Warren Ellis does... or used to. I dunno.:confused:

I've read that artists can ask the editor for reference for the companie's library. Such as Darwyn Cooke getting Silver Age reference from DC for New Frontier.

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 04:07 PM

That's a very good point. However, if the era or costumes aren't specified in the script, it could be left up to each artist to interpret.

This is true. But having characters from different Legion eras in different era costumes appear at the same time would be weird.

joelcook

11-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Really? :( Damn! But, you think it is a problem? :confused:

Part of being a good artist is doing the research on your subject.

For winning the Round?
Not at all... at least for 2 people in the competition...
For winning over the Judges, notable members of the industry and perhaps editors that might consider you for a job?
Very big problem.

Good luck.

yeah.... and we all saw how much flack an artist got last round for taking a few liberties with costume design.

me... I like seeing some artists' different takes on characters and costume design... imagine where we would be if Todd Mcfarlane never made Spider-Man's eyes really big?

...But I think for this competition, they are looking for artists to show that they have researched and understand the characters (and especially the script).

Good Luck, everyone... being that I don't know anything about these characters, I'm excited to see everyone's last page... speaking of which, if this was gonna be a 4 pager, couldn't we have made a 2 page spread for that last shot?

That would have been bad a$$ :cool:

polystyleneman

11-01-2007, 05:33 PM

I'm anxious to see how far the remaining (Fantastic?) Four go with the last splash panel page. I've always enjoyed the well-done million-characters-on-a page splash pages and respect the amount of time that they take. So that's the page I'm most looking forward to from everybody.

Pól Rua

11-01-2007, 07:03 PM

A Legion Story? With Bouncing Boy?! AND Matter Eater Lad (maybe)!?

aw man.
This is going to be SWEET!

On the other hand, I'd love to have seen Nick's version of the Legion. :(

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 07:04 PM

A Legion Story? With Bouncing Boy?! AND Matter Eater Lad (maybe)!?

aw man.
This is going to be SWEET!

On the other hand, I'd love to have seen Nick's version of the Legion. :(

When I read what this Round was about I knew a bunch of CBRers would be happy.

Bouncing Boy will be very happy.

Pól Rua

11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

When I read what this Round was about I knew a bunch of CBRers would be happy.

Bouncing Boy will be very happy.

I think Paul Newell may have just peed a little.
And I thought to PM Mark (BB) pretty much as soon as I saw the challenge.

ScottDMSimmons

11-01-2007, 08:13 PM

I would still like to see Jose's take on the Legion. I like his dynamic layouts.

Scott

J. Torres

11-01-2007, 08:56 PM

And don't most (maybe only high end) creators at Marvel and DC get a box of like, most everything each month? Pretty sure Warren Ellis does... or used to. I dunno.:confused:

I'm on the DC and Oni comp lists. For me, it took a year of working at DC to get on the list. It was sooner at Oni. But if I need older reference, or material from WB, I can usually get it. If not, I go out and buy it myself and expense it come tax time.

R Santos Jr

11-01-2007, 10:04 PM

If not, I go out and buy it myself and expense it come tax time.
Wait, you mean buying comics is a tax write off?? :O

shwa96

11-01-2007, 10:46 PM

A company like DC will certainly ship out the most current books to a new artist on a title. That's easier and faster than sending back pages.

And don't most (maybe only high end) creators at Marvel and DC get a box of like, most everything each month? Pretty sure Warren Ellis does... or used to. I dunno.:confused:

The artists should get comps, yeah, but for ref they will most likely get jpegs. Lot quicker and easier to send out images of just the characters you need them to draw than to ship out books and have them sift through every page.

That's what we do, anyway.

Brandon Hanvey

11-01-2007, 11:39 PM

Seems like a good Legion resource.

http://www.legionclubhouse.com/

Francis Manapul

11-02-2007, 12:27 AM

polystyleneman

11-02-2007, 12:52 AM

you guys can do any Legion era. Although it's a good idea to stick to one era of legion designs and not have some from the original and some from the reboot. Pick the era that suits you best. :)

and with regards to reference yeah, my editor sent me a few books before I started to get me up to speed and anything else on the script that I can't find he'll fire me off a jpg real quick. I also use google image search a LOT when I was doing my redesigns to look at the costumes from different era.

here are some sights that I found useful:
http://rocinante.colorado.edu/~mnowak/LEGION/legion.html
http://members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/mainpage.htm
http://www.legiononline.net/

Wow, nice to see some circa 1997 style webpages! You don't get to see that much anymore. Kind of fun, seriously.

joelcook

11-02-2007, 04:27 AM

you guys can do any Legion era. Although it's a good idea to stick to one era of legion designs and not have some from the original and some from the reboot. Pick the era that suits you best. :)

and with regards to reference yeah, my editor sent me a few books before I started to get me up to speed and anything else on the script that I can't find he'll fire me off a jpg real quick. I also use google image search a LOT when I was doing my redesigns to look at the costumes from different era.

here are some sights that I found useful:
http://rocinante.colorado.edu/~mnowak/LEGION/legion.html
http://members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/mainpage.htm
http://www.legiononline.net/

Thanks for the clarification, Francis...

man... I am really interested to see who chooses what.... Me, personally, I would love to see the old school team, just because I think those characters may seem slightly out of date with the superhero "norm" these days... and somewhat more of a challenge to make the characters seem interesting...

DanielSchenstrom

11-02-2007, 08:11 AM

Wow, nice to see some circa 1997 style webpages! You don't get to see that much anymore. Kind of fun, seriously.

Look up the waybackmachine on google and be prepared to go back to the beginnings of the web (or basically anytime you'd like to go back to).

polystyleneman

11-02-2007, 10:11 AM

Look up the waybackmachine on google and be prepared to go back to the beginnings of the web (or basically anytime you'd like to go back to).

Exactly! I almost said in my original post that I thought I had to rely on the Wayback machine to find these kind of sites anymore, lol. As a webdesigner myself, people can find some embarrassing sites on there that I did ten years ago.

J. Torres

11-02-2007, 10:16 AM

Wait, you mean buying comics is a tax write off?? :O

Depends on how you file. Whether you're an independent contractor (freelancer), small business, or incorporation, you can write off a certain amount of research material. Consult your local tax office for details ;)

Jonathan Hickman

11-02-2007, 10:37 AM

Regardless of how the pages turn out - I promise my vote to anyone that does the 5 years later legion.

And, Hell yes, buying comics is a tax write off. So is buying DVDs and any other "research material"

DanielSchenstrom

11-02-2007, 10:47 AM

Exactly! I almost said in my original post that I thought I had to rely on the Wayback machine to find these kind of sites anymore, lol. As a webdesigner myself, people can find some embarrassing sites on there that I did ten years ago.

Obviously I should read what people post before answering them. Sorry man, must be the pencilfumes from trying to drawing four pages in three days...

polystyleneman

11-02-2007, 11:26 AM

No, I didn't say that, you were right. I was just saying I almost mentioned it.

frbarba

11-03-2007, 12:46 AM