Are any of the registered heroes outspoken against it?

[reddog]

I'm just wondering if any of the heroes who registered are outspoken in opposition to it. You know, if some signed only because they were forced to sign but speak out publicly against it.

[RolandJP]

i think they wrapped up the controversy by saying most of the heroes have registered. Except a fewIE New Warriors. It does make you think about the villians

[StoneGold]

Mostly they've been a little busy, what with the Hulk and Cap being dead and all. Rage has been pretty vocal about it. Falcon has been vocal mainly to his immediate circle, but he's a little busy trying to solve Cap's murder. And then there are various members of the Thunderbolts, but they don't really count. Nor are they vocal to outside ears.


Actually, the most interesting case might be Doc Samson, who is pro-reg for all the right reasons, but apparently hates the way it is being implemented. He feels that the dream they strove and sacrificed for is being perverted. Although he seems to be keeping that to himself. I know, not exactly what you asked for, but an interesting twist nonetheless.

[Alan2099]

Spider-man was registered and he seemed pretty against the way things where going, enough to get a super villian staffed death squad sent after him at least.

[TotalWorldDomination]

X-factor was registered but spoke out against it publicly.

[XPac]

As mentioned above, X-Factor was one of the most publically vocal against it. Which was kinda interesting, since they were mutants that techincally didn't hae to register.

Spidey publically spoke against it after registering.

Cap tried to go public... unfortuantely the reporter that ended up interviewing him was always that idiot Sally Floyd.

[Young Avenger]

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[reddog]

My biggest gripe with civil war is that see not one registered hero speaking out in public forums against the shra. I mean yeah you have those who are being hunted down for not signing speaking up about it. Really I find the lack of outspoken hero's to mean possibly one or all of these things.

1. Marvel really isn't that into telling that story.
2. Maybe you really can't speak against it if you signed (Gag order)
3. Characters in marvel are not that smart.

I just dont buy someone who decides to take a stand and become a superhero would just line up and play follow the leader.

[StoneGold]

I just dont buy someone who decides to take a stand and become a superhero would just line up and play follow the leader.

Then how do you explain all the Avengers who aren't Cap, all the FF who aren't Reed, all the X-Men who aren't Prof. X, etc.

[reddog]

Then how do you explain all the Avengers who aren't Cap, all the FF who aren't Reed, all the X-Men who aren't Prof. X, etc.

What are you saying everybody just followed these guys and never dissagreed with them, did hawkeye, Ironman, Black panther, and so on always just say yes sir to everything Cap said?

[StoneGold]

What are you saying everybody just followed these guys and never dissagreed with them, did hawkeye, Ironman, Black panther, and so on always just say yes sir to everything Cap said?

Think who you just picked as examples. Two guys who continue to be anti-reg, and the guy who created Registration.

[reddog]

Think who you just picked as examples. Two guys who continue to be anti-reg, and the guy who created Registration.

Now we're just really being nitpicky are'nt we. What im trying to say is that i would try to give characters a little more credit and think that some of the smart ones would sign because they had to and they would use it to further the debate by actually being able to speak about it in a public forum.

[Cthulhudrew]

X-factor was registered but spoke out against it publicly.

I don't think they registered, did they? I think the only one that actually was registered was Madrox, and that was only because one of his dupes was a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, and registered without the primary Jamie's knowledge/consent.

[dingo]

She-Hulk signed up, but then intended to fight it's implementation in court, but I think the new creative team will mean that particular plot will always be at a loose end.

[StoneGold]

Now we're just really being nitpicky are'nt we. What im trying to say is that i would try to give characters a little more credit and think that some of the smart ones would sign because they had to and they would use it to further the debate by actually being able to speak about it in a public forum.

No, I'm really not. It's not a mistake that of the three heroes you mentioned, two are publicly defying the law, and the other is in charge of it. I was even going to edit my original post to include something about that, but you did it for me. The heroes you are thinking of, the ones who are those rebellious badasses we know and love, are for the most part actively against Registration.

The truth is, there are, what, seven books that feature registered heroes. Mighty Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, Ms. Marvel, Thunderbolts, The Initiative, and The Order. For the purposes of this, I think we can ignore The Order, since they are new characters who wouldn't have powers if not for Registration. So it is really only six books. Of those six books, one of them stars the guy who created Registration, so unless Tony has a change of heart all of a sudden, it's unlikely.

So let's deal with the remaining five. Falcon joined the Initiative so he could work inside the system. He's known to dislike it. He doesn't have time to protest in the streets, because he's too busy dealing with Cap's murder.

The Thunderbolts are too difficult a situation to define, because they're all crazy freaks. I bring this up more because Len Samson, someone who it actually makes a lot of sense to be pro-Reg, is really, really pissed off with the way it is being implemented. Although he is internalizing it.

Ms. Marvel and Mighty Avengers I am going to examine as one. The closest there is to an anti character in either books is Ms. Marvel herself, and that's more along the lines of she's just not sure about Registration one way or the other. But she is enforcing the law. And given her military and law enforcement background, and the fact that she feels personally indebted to Tony, it's not too crazy.

Which brings us to the Initiative. Where half the recruits seem to hate it. But they won't get their heroing licenses if they speak out.

I forgot, Moon Knight just signed up. But he's f'ing crazy. There's literally no accounting for him.

So besides them, we've got New Avengers, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Hulk, Nova, the mutant books, the Spidey books, Black Panther, etc, all of which either have characters actively defying Registration, or are just too busy doing their own things right now to deal with it. Or a combination of the two.


And then there are any I forgot, which I am sure there are some.

[StoneGold]

I don't think they registered, did they? I think the only one that actually was registered was Madrox, and that was only because one of his dupes was a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, and registered without the primary Jamie's knowledge/consent.

I believe all the 198 are de facto registered.

[reddog]

top of my head here are some heroes that i am shocked are not speaking out.

Sue Richards- the creative teams writing her are seriously dropping the ball here

Ben Grimm- im kinda half and half on him

Johnny Storm- He was with Sue and could still see him there.

Black Panther- to not see the international threat that the SHRA could present and not speak about that is crazy.

Any Mutant- come on these guys are experts at this kinda stuff by now

[bulbasteve]

Well BP isn't particularly anti-reg, from what we know he is mostly just against having them as a military power and it's been stated he has been appearing in the U.N. talking about that. But on the other hand he joins the FF and works with Pym on some sort of African issues, so clearly politically he is trying to work both sides. Which is probably why Reed said a couple of issues ago that he and BP don't really disagree about much, it's not like Tony or Reed or anyone wants to see these guys invading Iran.

I mean if we use that logic than Tony is the biggest anti-reg guy there is, right? I mean when was the last time Spider-Man or Cage slapped down the Thunderbolts? Heck he even had agents trying to find out what was going on in the secret labs at Hammond.

[DMike]

I don't think they registered, did they? I think the only one that actually was registered was Madrox, and that was only because one of his dupes was a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, and registered without the primary Jamie's knowledge/consent.

All mutants were de facto registered, but Madrox, Rictor, and Monet all voluntarily registered anyway. This Madrox was an agent of SHIELD, Rictor has no powers and therefore didn't worry about drafting, and Monet registered because she has nothing to hide and is unhurtable (though it helps that all her loved ones are living in Monaco anyway).

[ddqfpluskick]

The problem is that no one cares......

I mean the public that is. They're the ones that pushed for the registration and Tony just happen to the number one guy to run it. He's rich, runs alrge organizations, and one of the leader of the most public team out there.

Even if a hero joins and is against SHAR how is he/she going to bring it down. While the registration is seen as underhanded it doesn't affect the public at large. I mean you could say it caused World War Hulk, but Hulk is not real positive in public opinion polls.

As said before the Order is on Stark's payroll, Most the Avengers are loyal to Tony. X-men and X related titles are too distracted, others are wanted for refusing to registar and too fracture to begin with. I mean Runaways, New Avengers, etc.

Plus even if a hero who was with the SHRA how would he/she roganize anything like a press conference or a meeting. Everything is cleared through Tony and SHIELD.

[Karthak]

I forgot, Moon Knight just signed up. But he's f'ing crazy. There's literally no accounting for him.


Sector might be crazy, but he detests registration. Only reason he did it was because Khonshu figured it was a better way to "spread the gospel" so to speak.