CBI Round 3 Public Vote

[Goyo]

Maybe. But it's a really bad joke in light of what happened in Round 1.

Couldn't agree more.

[Brandon Hanvey]

This poll is closed.

Note the organizers will post the final results shortly after last minute checking.

[Puyol]

Clone with Caio :p

in your ass. Do you think is a trick?
is a fool.

[polystyleneman]

Maybe. But it's a really bad joke in light of what happened in Round 1.

What does this even mean? Is cloning using more than one ID to vote? Seriously, just asking.

[shwa96]

in your ass. Do you think is a trick?
is a fool.


Wha...huh?

[CPWilsonIII]

That said, Jose certainly has a bright future ahead of him, and I think a good editor could help him get those pages dead on, and there wouldn't be much stopping Jose at that point.

All that said... I have no idea why he did so poorly this round.:confused: I think his work was better than Caio and Charles this round. (no offence guys.)

None taken, man. I know I'm picking up his books when they come out.

[CBIFan]

WOAH!

I JUST registered to vote for McDaid -- would have been my very first vote, but the poll closed moments before I could vote! Thankfully, Dan made it in. Wow -- by a hair!

[MartinRedmond]

Oh!OH! Mud slinging! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[J. Torres]

WOAH!

I JUST registered to vote for McDaid -- would have been my very first vote, but the poll closed moments before I could vote! Thankfully, Dan made it in. Wow -- by a hair!


Let this be a lesson to you other lurkers out there ;)

[DidCart]

Maybe. But it's a really bad joke in light of what happened in Round 1.

Oh yeah...
The problem that happened in Round 1 was really awful. But I think people that use clones learn their lesson. I can guarantee that the users of MBB Forum isn't doing this anymore.

[Mmmmmpig]

Wha...huh?

I think some this is lost in translation

[Kalyan Pokala]

Remember, nothing is official yet: let's wait for when the chart gets cleaned up.

[bolapucc]

Voted for Caio... but I'm sad to see Pitarra go... The duck gag was priceless

Oh, I just have only one more thing to say:

Shame-on Man to the top!!! ;-)

[rjdimariamiskovic]

in your ass. Do you think is a trick?
is a fool.

Stop already... we know you're not going to beat Caio until the end... Sorry Dan, I've printed ALL of your stuff. I'm fan.
God bless and good luck. I love your stuff.

Sincerely,
"Jerk-face"

[Dan M]

Stop already... we know you're not going to beat Caio until the end... Sorry Dan, I've printed ALL of your stuff. I'm fan.
God bless and good luck. I love your stuff.

Sincerely,
"Jerk-face"

Thanks a lot man

D

[the goddamn batman]

Wow... one vote between Dan and Nick. Damn, that's close.:eek:

[rjdimariamiskovic]

Stop already... we know you're not going to beat Caio until the end... Sorry Dan, I've printed ALL of your stuff. I'm fan.
God bless and good luck. I love your stuff.

Sincerely,
"Jerk-face"

Oh wait!!! Math isn't my strong point... I'm an artist. I still love your stuff.

Congrats Caio. You have a lot of fans...:confused:

[Goyo]

I'm happy with the results.

Caio was the top voted and McDaid survived another round.

Of course, let's wait for the vote confirmation before starting celebrations!;)

[CPWilsonIII]

Stop already... we know you're not Sorry Dan, I've printed ALL of your stuff. I'm fan.
God bless and good luck. I love your stuff.

Sincerely,
"Jerk-face"

Ha ha ha, he did! And he tried to hide them at work so I wasn't offended or anything (like I wasn't going to find them under the lightbox, ya goof!):)

[AvocadoAvenger]

wtf... so when do we get this 'confirmation'?

[Dan M]

Ha ha ha, he did! And he tried to hide them at work so I wasn't offended or anything (like I wasn't going to find them under the lightbox, ya goof!):)

Ha, that's awesome!

[BigJ_MBB]

Congratulations, Caio. Excellent drawings!

[TheRonin]

And cool, The Black Coat artist is on here!

I have been working on a few more projects since then (which I hope you
picked up) but thanks for the nod :D
I really like your work, Charles, especially your entries for the 10Ton
challanges (I kinda check on those every now and then ;)) and your previous
rounds here. On this one I felt you rushed the pages a bit, and I totally
understand given the tight deadlines you guys have to work under.

Jose's pencilwork is definitely the most original here and I felt tempted to
even throw some inks on a few panel (if only I had spare time), but comics is
not just good looking pencils, but also consitency and storytelling. In Jose's
case, the characters were changing size from panel to panel and even if it
might look cool to come up with some changes in look and costumes, when
working on an established character you have to be on model, unless the
changes have been approved by the aditor and/or writer. But I am sure he
and Nick will do fine nevertheless.

Anyhow, let's toast for Dan, with Italian wine this time ;) (I didn't know there
was a South African wine...)

Cheers,
Francesco

[Erivelton]

You have a lot of fans...
Why :confused: rjdimariamiskovic ?????? The Caio's works is great, with I write: In Caio(Zed) we trust :D

[jasonbaroody]

(I didn't know there
was a South African wine...)

Cheers,
Francesco

Talk to JASON MASTERS, he's a drunk and he's south african..what are the odds? lol

[Dan M]

Talk to JASON MASTERS, he's a drunk and he's south african..what are the odds? lol

I worked with a bunch of South Africans a couple of years back. They were cool guys but they PARTIED HARD. I'm of Celtic stock and even I was left in the dust...

[Brandon Hanvey]

Dang I forgot I have some plans tonight. The graphs may have to be delayed a little.

[Mmmmmpig]

...I really like your work, Charles, especially your entries for the 10Ton
challanges (I kinda check on those every now and then ;)) and your previous
rounds here. On this one I felt you rushed the pages a bit, and I totally
understand given the tight deadlines you guys have to work under....
Cheers,
Francesco

We are just glad you haven't decided to win... er enter in the sketch challenges

[AvocadoAvenger]

Dang I forgot I have some plans tonight. The graphs may have to be delayed a little.

your sense of humor sucks

[Brandon Hanvey]

your sense of humor sucks

I'm not joking.

Plus I'm not talking about the final results which the CBI staff is going over. I'm talking about the graphs I do.

[garth_b]

Let this be a lesson to you other lurkers out there ;)

Yeah. And I thought, for some reason, I had another couple of hours. Oh well, my now informal vote goes to Dan also.

[jasonbaroody]

I'm not joking.

Plus I'm not talking about the final results which the CBI staff is going over. I'm talking about the graphs I do.

those graphs rule.
any idea when the final results might come down Brandon?

[TCC]

some minutes go i left my place and saw caio in second and dan out of competition... i was very sad...

I didn´t expect that both ( BOTH!!!) would get there!!!

congrats,guys!!!

[Brandon Hanvey]

those graphs rule.
any idea when the final results might come down Brandon?

Should be soon. I gave my info to J. I'm just waiting for his call.

[jasonbaroody]

Should be soon. I gave my info to J. I'm just waiting for his call.

cool! i keep re-freshing the page like every 5 secs...i'm on pins and needles as they say.
CBI = CRACK :)

[Joe Rice]

This is unbelievable to me. I don't think I can express my disappointment without being rude, but though there are some other talents in this, Holder is being outright robbed. Wow.

[AvocadoAvenger]

I'm not joking.

Plus I'm not talking about the final results which the CBI staff is going over. I'm talking about the graphs I do.

ok... well, hope you get lucky!

BTW - Nicks is the man and Holder is a bad ass!

...you guys (other voters) are on crack!

[nextekcd78]

go Rick Piattara

[Brandon Hanvey]

ok... well, hope you get lucky!


Lucky? I'm married. Plus it's mostly a thing with friends.

We are raiding a new WoW dungeon. Yes, I'm taking some "time off" from CBI to have some fun. Well just a couple hours.

[TungeeFury63]

Jon Reed gets my vote.

[AvocadoAvenger]

Lucky? I'm married. Plus it's mostly a thing with friends.

We are raiding a new WoW dungeon. Yes, I'm taking some "time off" from CBI to have some fun. Well just a couple hours.

so... i'm married, i get lucky all the time ;)

WoW huh? ...well have fun with that then.

(don't tell me wife!:D )

[davechisholm]

This is unbelievable to me. I don't think I can express my disappointment without being rude, but though there are some other talents in this, Holder is being outright robbed. Wow.


i agree completely.

[Brandon Hanvey]

so... i'm married, i get lucky all the time ;)

WoW huh? ...well have fun with that then.

(don't tell me wife!:D )

She plays WoW with me.

[AvocadoAvenger]

This is unbelievable to me. I don't think I can express my disappointment without being rude, but though there are some other talents in this, Holder is being outright robbed. Wow.

......word

[Doug Strange]

That Holder had SO MANY fewer votes is astounding to me. I can see how his style might not be as popular as some of the others, but I would have assumed that more people would get past that and vote on actual talent.

Could also be the friends and family aspect, though.

[escapegoat]

Could also be the friends and family aspect, though.

Dingdingdingding!!!!

[Brandon Hanvey]

I think this round proved that Round 4 is pretty much anyone's game. The top 5 contestants were only about 35 votes apart.

[Joe Rice]

Dingdingdingding!!!!

Wow, that's unfortunate.

Do judges have any kind of extra sway? I'm not familiar with how this works. Or are the public votes the sole determining factor?

[JaimeRamirez]

Man, I just logged in to see how it was going and my boy Holder is getting robbed.

Its definitely the friends/family aspect at play here I would think. How do you account for that though? Too difficult to correct. Sucks.

Holder will be working before some of the other guys anyway, I would bet.

JR

[Maresk]

go Rick Piattara

That's not even a person.

[Joe Rice]

Man, I just logged in to see how it was going and my boy Holder is getting robbed.

Its definitely the friends/family aspect at play here I would think. How do you account for that though? Too difficult to correct. Sucks.

Holder will be working before some of the other guys anyway, I would bet.

JR

He'd definitely be the one I'd hire/buy work from. Were I in the position.

[Tommy Smith]

This is unbelievable to me. I don't think I can express my disappointment without being rude, but though there are some other talents in this, Holder is being outright robbed. Wow.

I agree with you 100%.

[Maresk]

We'll have to wait for the final results, but if everything stays the same, I'm happy with the results. Sure it sucks Jose is gone, but at least Dan made it!

[AvocadoAvenger]

That Holder had SO MANY fewer votes is astounding to me. I can see how his style might not be as popular as some of the others, but I would have assumed that more people would get past that and vote on actual talent.

Could also be the friends and family aspect, though.

friends and family, no doubt!

Hey Holder... if by some crazy chance you don't still get a sweet deal out of all of this, get your ass out and make some friends dude!

hell... come to Houston and by me a beer or something... that's all it took for Nick to get my vote:p

...you've probably got people coming to you for some stuff already though. best of luck to you Holder.

[joh james]

Thanks, Dave, Joe, and everyone who took the time to vote and make this an exciting and memorable experience. I truly had a lot of fun and hopefully contributed in the spirit of fun and fairplay. Hats off to my supporters and to the judges and CBR officiators that shared their insights and organized a hell of a romp! I wouldn't have missed it for the world! Kudos and good luck to the remaining heavyweights!

[Brandon Hanvey]

Wow, that's unfortunate.

Do judges have any kind of extra sway? I'm not familiar with how this works. Or are the public votes the sole determining factor?

The judges are their to give the contestants critiques and advice on how to improve their work. The guest judge sometimes picks the Round's prize winner such as C.B. choosing Wilson in Round 2.

The public vote chooses which two get eliminated. And as in Rounds 1 and 3, the prize winner goes to the top vote getter.

[jasonbaroody]

Wow, that's unfortunate.

Do judges have any kind of extra sway? I'm not familiar with how this works. Or are the public votes the sole determining factor?

it's public votes far as i know, friends and family should be able to vote for the people they like. i think the idea is not to have someone sitting at home signing up for 30 yahoo email accounts and then casting those votes for one paticular person.
but who should vote besides friends and family? just us internet comic forum geeks? i think the mods here do there best to keep stuff fair.

[escapegoat]

Its definitely the friends/family aspect at play here I would think. How do you account for that though? Too difficult to correct.


It's just one of the cons when a contest is based upon popular vote. There's just no way around it.

I'm sorry to see Nick leave this round. I was the second to last person to vote for him. It was also hard voting against Dan at the same time.

Nick and Jose definitely have a future in the industry. Both have amazing skills. It was great seeing you two play it out in CBI.

[the goddamn batman]

It also might be that people voted for who they liked best, not who they know personally.;)

But I guess if your favorite lost out, it's all unfair, right?:rolleyes:

It's a popularity contest. It's always been that and everyone knew that going in to it. Simple.

[davidbovey]

Wow, that's unfortunate.

Do judges have any kind of extra sway? I'm not familiar with how this works. Or are the public votes the sole determining factor?

The judges thought Holder was a front runner but it didn't really effect the voting. Some of them have hiring powers at their respective companies though, I'm sure Jose would appriciate THAT kind of influence.

[escapegoat]

It also might be that people voted for who they liked best, not who they know personally.;)


Well...yaaa! There's that factor too. Count me in for that category. ;)

[Brandon Hanvey]

Round 3 final results.

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/round-3-final-results/

[Osbra]

Sorry but I don´t like Holder´s style....

[JaimeRamirez]

It's just one of the cons when a contest is based upon popular vote. There's just no way around it.

I'm sorry to see Nick leave this round. I was the second to last person to vote for him. It was also hard voting against Dan at the same time.

Nick and Jose definitely have a future in the industry. Both have amazing skills. It was great seeing you two play it out in CBI.

Crap, I didn't even notice that Nick was the other one.

That sucks x2.

JR

[Doug Strange]

It also might be that people voted for who they liked best, not who they know personally.;)
Or it could be a combination of the two. I'm sure all those screen names ending in "Reed" really DID think Jon's art was the best.

I'm not suggesting any mal-intent, or that it somehow wasn't fair going in (Holder either didn't have enough friends/family/fans or he just didn't care to involve them, I guess)...but maybe the system does need to be looked at. It's not like American Idol, as a friend said, where the friend/family vote is a tiny fraction of a percentage of the total votes...10 or 20 people is all it takes.

[joelcook]

This is unbelievable to me. I don't think I can express my disappointment without being rude, but though there are some other talents in this, Holder is being outright robbed. Wow.

I wouldnt say robbed, but I am definitely surprised... He was one of the artists who I thought would be in the top 2 or 3 when this all began.

But if it is any consolation, he did have some people in his corner who are professionals, and very respected ones at that.

[Mark Cardwell]

God, that was close at the end. And yes, it is a crying shame Jose underperformed throughout at the polls. He's a great talent, a cool stylist, and I'm sure he's got a great future ahead of him.

[Brandon Hanvey]

I'd thought I'd compare Round 3 to 2.

Round 3
Caio Oliveira 154 21.21%
Charles Paul Wilson III 152 20.94%
Jon Reed 122 16.80%
Dan McDaid 117 16.12%
Nick Pitarra 116 15.98%
Jose Holder 65 8.95%

Round 2
Caio Oliveira 153 24.13%
Charles Paul Wilson III 151 23.82%
Jon Reed 95 14.98%
Nick Pitarra 87 13.72%
Dan McDaid 61 9.62%
Jose Holder 50 7.89%

Oliveria and Wilson pretty much had the same vote totals.
Reed went up by 27.
Pitarra was also up by 29.
McDaid was up by 56.
Holder was up by 15.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Just did a quick graph of the last 4 hours of voting and it is really wild.

[Puyol]

Wha...huh?
Nothing. I was very nervous with the comentary of "Clone" (was a joke, but.... a joke very ridiculous).

[Brandon Hanvey]

Nothing. I was very nervous with the comentary of "Clone" (was a joke, but.... a joke very ridiculous).

And whoever it was was banned.

[bolapucc]

And whoever it was was banned.

Good!

I don´t think we need all that aggravation again... and Caio surely agrees with me!

[the goddamn batman]

Or it could be a combination of the two. I'm sure all those screen names ending in "Reed" really DID think Jon's art was the best.

I'm not suggesting any mal-intent, or that it somehow wasn't fair going in (Holder either didn't have enough friends/family/fans or he just didn't care to involve them, I guess)...but maybe the system does need to be looked at. It's not like American Idol, as a friend said, where the friend/family vote is a tiny fraction of a percentage of the total votes...10 or 20 people is all it takes.


Of course it's a combination of the two... and everybody knew that goin in. So, it's not really fair to complain about it after the fact.

Now, I'll agree that maybe the pay off is too big for a popularity contest, but then again, the publishers that are offering the prizes knew that going in too, so... IDW, Oni and C.B. all know that whoever gets the job, might not have been the best person for the job, but at the same time nothing's stopping them from, say, offering Nick or Jose work.

When I was going to try and enter, I went around to the few places I go to on the web, and my personal blog and mentioned it so that my small group of people that like what I do would be aware of it. I wasn't about to call all my family members and ask them to vote for me. They don't know anything about comics and would have simply voted for me based on my relation to them, not the art. I dunno, that would have felt wrong to me personally. But that's just me. I'd rather stand on the merits of my work, not my big ass family having internet access. Again, personally, not trying to slight anyone who went about it differently.

In the end I wasn't able to enter, so it doen't matter what I would have done.

[sgt pepper]

So Caio won this round, hm? Surprise.

I wish I could state my feelings about this, but because of the reaction I got to my earlier posts, I'm afraid I'll get banned if I do.

[Brandon Hanvey]

So Caio won this round, hm? Surprise.

I wish I could state my feelings about this, but because of the reaction I got to my earlier posts, I'm afraid I'll get banned if I do.

I would never ban someone for stating their feelings. It is the manner and tone that makes the difference.

[Brandon Hanvey]

A public vote will never be 100% "fair." You can not force anyone to vote for quality or for certain reasons.

[Muddy Waters]

duplicated

[Muddy Waters]

A public vote will never be 100% "fair." You can not force anyone to vote for quality or for certain reasons.
Once again, how many times this should be said?:D

[Brandon Hanvey]

Once again, how many times this sohould be repeated?:D

I just copy and paste it now.

[Nikki_Nixon]

I would never ban someone for stating their feelings. It is the manner and tone that makes the difference.
Yeah!
As we say here in the MBB: measure its words and its tone of voice!
:)

[J. Torres]

It's not like American Idol, as a friend said, where the friend/family vote is a tiny fraction of a percentage of the total votes...10 or 20 people is all it takes.

Not sure I'm following you here. On American Idol you can vote as many times as you like. Someone could have five friends call in a hundred times during the voting period. Whole towns have set up call centers for people to vote multiple times for their local boy/girl on the show. I'm not sure it's the family/friend vote is that insignificant...

[cg_maniac]

I actually liked Caio Oliveira's submission this round, but voted for McDaid since I knew Oliveira was in no danger of not making it to the next round due to his support.

Good thing, McDaid beat Pitarra by one vote!

Sorry to see Pitarra go, his quirky style has grown on me, and the work seems to progress a little with each round.

To be honest, I thought it should have been Reed getting the axe as I felt his submission was the weakest this round, in my opinion. I enjoyed (and voted for) his first submission, however.

Jose Holder, such a low vote total is a head scratcher. Like I said before, it could be due to the fact that some believe he is already headed for a gig soon, so he does not need to win this competition.

[Jack Flash]

man. I am so bummed. Pitarra's was fantastic. The rest of the contest just got a little less exciting.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Round 3 graphs

Overall
http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r3graph.gif

Last 4 hours
http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r3glmvgraph.gif

Round 1, Round 2, Round 3
http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r1r2r3.gif

[MrGranger]

Dang...I really love the two that are gone.

[Doug Strange]

Of course it's a combination of the two... and everybody knew that goin in. So, it's not really fair to complain about it after the fact.
Not sure how (or to whom) complaining isn't fair, particularly when there's a possibility the competition will continue on with a CBI 4 and beyond. It might be worthwhile to fine tune things for the future.

Not sure I'm following you here. On American Idol you can vote as many times as you like. Someone could have five friends call in a hundred times during the voting period. Whole towns have set up call centers for people to vote multiple times for their local boy/girl on the show. I'm not sure it's the family/friend vote is that insignificant...
Wow, okay, I did not know that about the show. Don't watch it. But that's pretty stupid. Sounds even more egregious and less talent-based than the vote here.

A public vote will never be 100% "fair." You can not force anyone to vote for quality or for certain reasons.
That's true. So maybe this competition shouldn't be based strictly on the vote.

Maybe you have a vote to determine the bottom rung of vote getters in a round, then have the judges decide who among them should go. It sounds as though you've already broken from the "American Idol" model by not allowing multiple votes...no reason not to take it a step further and try to better ensure that quality gets through.

The longer the more talented people are in the competition, the better chance they'll get seen. If a super-talented person leaves in round one because they had less friends and family voting for them, they're really getting shafted by the folks who probably won't get picked up no matter how many rounds they stay in the competition.

I'm not saying any of this to disparage all the hard work that Brandon, J., Cronin and the rest do to make this competition the best they can...I just want to try to help them make it better, if possible. But the one idea is really all I got, and there's probably better ways to do it, so I'll just shut up now. Y'know, finally.

[Muddy Waters]

One thing to ponder: more than one of the contestants participates in comics forums and formed a fan base, due to the quality of their work and not just because they’re popular in an open sense.

These fans were earned in the spam of years, due to the hard work of the artists, that exposed their works in their respective boards. I don’t think it’s fair to account theses fans as simple “friends and family”. Because for the most, they’re comics fans as much as any regular CBR guy.

[J. Torres]

Not sure how (or to whom) complaining isn't fair, particularly when there's a possibility the competition will continue on with a CBI 4 and beyond. It might be worthwhile to fine tune things for the future.

Well, we do some fine tuning a little bit every season, but there are certain elements of the contest that will remain, including the voting system. Agree or disagree with method or outcome, there's no denying that it's a big part of what makes CBI exciting and engaging to watch. The overall feedback we get, as well as the increasing number of viewers and sponsors and industry types lining up to participate, supports this. The success of some of contestants also tells us we're doing just fine. So, if it ain't really broke...

The alternative to a public vote is to have a panel of judges to pick the winner, and how boring would that be to watch? The rest of us don't get to participate PLUS (no matter what system you use) there will still be people out there complaining about their favorite getting cut or so-and-so getting the short end of the stick or proclaiming the selection process to be flawed.

As I've said before, the risk of ANY public or democratic vote is that it becomes more of a popularity contest than about "the best man" winning. And that's not saying anything about the fact that we can argue unitl we're all blue in the face and never agree on the definition of "best." Sure, it's an imperfect system but I guarantee you no CBI winner is ever going to raise your taxes or make you go to war ;)

[Jason Masters]

I worked with a bunch of South Africans a couple of years back. They were cool guys but they PARTIED HARD. I'm of Celtic stock and even I was left in the dust...

Ha Ha I completely missed this....


'cause i was drinking

[davidbovey]

Not sure I'm following you here. On American Idol you can vote as many times as you like. Someone could have five friends call in a hundred times during the voting period. Whole towns have set up call centers for people to vote multiple times for their local boy/girl on the show. I'm not sure it's the family/friend vote is that insignificant...

Millions of people watch that show and I don't know how many people vote, probably in the hundreds of thousands. It's a much larger arena where the effect of family and friends voting isn't nearly as impactful as it is here.

There's really no way to get around it though. The artists who make the final ten just have to understand that they will need to do some campaigning and make a bunch of phonecalls, in addition to producing great art, to stay in the competition.

[Doug Strange]

Good points, J.

Sorry to bring down the festivities. I just had different expectations of what this was supposed to be. Y'all keep having fun.

[J. Torres]

Good points, J.

Sorry to bring down the festivities. I just had different expectations of what this was supposed to be. Y'all keep having fun.

In an interview I just read, Carrie Ann Inaba (sp?), one of the judges of "Dancing with the Stars," said something that made me think. She said that celebrities do not sign up for their show for the same reasons people sign up for "American Idol," which is to win the big prize and get a career going. They sign on for the exposure and to gain attention for their personal projects.

This made me think that CBI is a good combination of both, a contest that's about winning a prize and starting a career, as well as a platform to gain exposure for your work, learn from the pros, network with industry, etc.

And as is with those TV shows, love it or hate it, the judging and public voting is part of the fun :D

[J. Torres]

Millions of people watch that show and I don't know how many people vote, probably in the hundreds of thousands. It's a much larger arena where the effect of family and friends voting isn't nearly as impactful as it is here.

You said arena. We're starting to veer off topic a bit, but how can a stadium full of people voting for one person as many times as they like not be (nearly as) "impactful"? You've seen those live feeds to contestants' home towns during the program? I've seen contestants on that show get keys to cities where the mayor's office, local media, whole schools/student bodies and so on get behind them as if they were presidential candidates. And we're talking about some pretty big cities!

[Brandon Hanvey]

Looking at the graphs show some interesting patterns.


Wilson and Oliveira fell in-between their Round 1 and Round 2 totals for most of the time expect for the final hour pushes.

Holder tracked pretty much the same as Round 1 but leveled off near the end.

Pitarra tracked close to both Round 1 and 2 but then shot up in the last hour push.

McDaid tracked slightly lower than Round 1 but also shot up in the middle of the poll.

Reed seems to be all over the place. He starts higher than Round 1 but then levels off in the middle. He then pushes past Round 1 with a few hours to go and then past Round 2 in the last hour.

What this means for Round 4 is not known. Can Reed and McDaid make up the 20-30 vote difference to pass Wilson and Oliveira? Will Wilson gain a lot more votes now that his Ten Ton Studio colleague Pitarra is out? Will any of Holder's voters shift to someone else?

[polystyleneman]

Looking at the graphs show some interesting patterns.


Wilson and Oliveira fell in-between their Round 1 and Round 2 totals for most of the time expect for the final hour pushes.

Holder tracked pretty much the same as Round 1 but leveled off near the end.

Pitarra tracked close to both Round 1 and 2 but then shot up in the last hour push.

McDaid tracked slightly lower than Round 1 but also shot up in the middle of the poll.

Reed seems to be all over the place. He starts higher than Round 1 but then levels off in the middle. He then pushes past Round 1 with a few hours to go and then past Round 2 in the last hour.

What this means for Round 4 is not known. Can Reed and McDaid make up the 20-30 vote difference to past Wilson and Oliveira? Will Wilson gain a lot more votes now that his Ten Ton Studio colleague Pitarra is out? Will any of Holder's voters shift to someone else?

Man, I think you really do enjoy numbers. Man, my eyes just glaze over when I try to read through these posts. :p Must be why I never made it through statistics class.

[Justice41]

What this means for Round 4 is not known. Can Reed and McDaid make up the 20-30 vote difference to past Wilson and Oliveira? Will Wilson gain a lot more votes now that his Ten Ton Studio colleague Pitarra is out? Will any of Holder's voters shift to someone else?
Stay tuned to your bat channel at the same bat time batviewers.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Stay tuned to your bat channel at the same bat time batviewers.

I love that show. *POW!!!*

[kamgates]

The alternative to a public vote is to have a panel of judges to pick the winner, and how boring would that be to watch?

This is a very good point, and I definitely don't think the system is broken. But...

sorry.. :o

..something I wouldn't mind you guys considering for the next CBI is giving the Judges some kind of weighted vote. (I think Jose originally mentioned this..) I know this involves math, but not a lot of math and it's only applied to four people each round. I'm not saying this will make things more or less fair, but I do think it will make things less predictable. Plus the audience could easily still be left as the voting majority. The reason I say this is that I think the fan base that votes for their favorite overall artist is quite a bit larger than the group that votes based on each weeks submission. The Judges on the other hand seem a lot more heavily influenced by the week to week submissions. Following that logic, then Reed and McDaid will get voted out this next round and we haven't even seen the submissions yet. Now I know other factors could cause this to happen and maybe I'm wrong and it won't happen at all. But still, if that IS exactly what happens then something to shake up the system in the future might be worth considering.

Just my two cents. Thanks for putting on a wonderful competition! ..it's been entirely occupying my work day. :P

[polystyleneman]

This is a very good point, and I definitely don't think the system is broken. But...

sorry.. :o

..something I wouldn't mind you guys considering for the next CBI is giving the Judges some kind of weighted vote. (I think Jose originally mentioned this..) I know this involves math, but not a lot of math and it's only applied to four people each round. I'm not saying this will make things more or less fair, but I do think it will make things less predictable. Plus the audience could easily still be left as the voting majority. The reason I say this is that I think the fan base that votes for their favorite overall artist is quite a bit larger than the group that votes based on each weeks submission. The Judges on the other hand seem a lot more heavily influenced by the week to week submissions. Following that logic, then Reed and McDaid will get voted out this next round and we haven't even seen the submissions yet. Now I know other factors could cause this to happen and maybe I'm wrong and it won't happen at all. But still, if that IS exactly what happens then something to shake up the system in the future might be worth considering.

Just my two cents. Thanks for putting on a wonderful competition! ..it's been entirely occupying my work day. :P

You make some good points. I mean the organizers of this can set it up the way they want, it's their show and I'm not gonna bother fighting that, but when you think about it it is pretty much predetermined who's going to win. I think the safest bet in history is that Reed and McDaid will get eliminated this round and that CPWIII will be beat by Caio next round. Caio might be deserving, it's not for me to say he's not, I'm just saying that'd be a pretty safe prediction to make in my opinion. I'd put money on it...

[Brandon Hanvey]

This is a very good point, and I definitely don't think the system is broken. But...

sorry.. :o

..something I wouldn't mind you guys considering for the next CBI is giving the Judges some kind of weighted vote.

It has been discussed but the idea that has been thrown around was more of an immunity from being voted off for the round for the guest judge's pick in the early rounds.

[joh james]

That's Brilliant, Brandon!!(I can't believe I didn't...)

I want a RE-VOTE!!!:)

[kamgates]

It has been discussed but the idea that has been throw around was more of an immunity from being voted off for the round for the guest judge's pick in the early rounds.


Ooo.. that a cool idea. :)

[davidbovey]

It has been discussed but the idea that has been throw around was more of an immunity from being voted off for the round for the guest judge's pick in the early rounds.

That would be a nice addition next year.

[Brandon Hanvey]

It's not set in stone. But the basic idea would be in Rounds 1-3 that the guest judge would pick their favorite and they could not be voted off.

The tricky part is to whether or not to include the person with immunity in the public poll. I guess it would depend on whether there is a public picked prize. Though having one less contestant to choose could sway some more votes to another contestant.

With this system you could get into Round 4 by being the critics favorite, but after that you would have to have a strong fan following.

[polystyleneman]

It's not set in stone. But the basic idea would be in Rounds 1-3 that the guest judge would pick their favorite and they could not be voted off.

The tricky part is to whether or not to include the person with immunity in the public poll. I guess it would depend on whether there is a public picked prize. Though having one less contestant to choose could sway some more votes to another contestant.

With this system you could get into Round 4 by being the critics favorite, but after that you would have to have a strong fan following.

Not a bad idea. Just a thought here... In the spirit of keeping things interesting and "Reality-TV-ey", ever consider having the judges pick their favorite disqualified contestant to come back and make one of the final rounds more interesting?

[kamgates]

The tricky part is to whether or not to include the person with immunity in the public poll. I guess it would depend on whether there is a public picked prize. Though having one less contestant to choose could sway some more votes to another contestant.

Yeah, the prizes do complicate things... I think it's much more interesting if the immune person is no longer in the public vote. Otherwise if someone is a judge favorite and a fan favorite nothing changes. Who knows, maybe nothing should. But I'd be really curious to see who all the Caio fans would vote for if they knew Caio was safe for a round.

I guess you could either say that the judges favorite gets the prize (like round 2) or that being safe is prize enough. I think most contestants would be fine just knowing they get to stay.

[polystyleneman]

Yeah, the prizes do complicate things... I think it's much more interesting if the immune person is no longer in the public vote. Otherwise if someone is a judge favorite and a fan favorite nothing changes. Who knows, maybe nothing should. But I'd be really curious to see who all the Caio fans would vote for if they knew Caio was safe for a round.

I guess you could either say that the judges favorite gets the prize (like round 2) or that being safe is prize enough. I think most contestants would be fine just knowing they get to stay.

Personally I don't think it's fair to the contestant if they get disqualified for the prize. Then again anyone who would vote for that contestant would feel like they were throwing their vote away so he probably wouldn't win it anyway, unless it was a secret immunity. Nothing's ever easy is it? Life's not like a *fem-tart that's for sure.

Of course, a decent way of counter-balancing the vote with judge's opinion is to let the judges decide on who gets the prize each round and let the votes decide who proceeds. But, that's just me.

* Lindsay Lohan, Pars Hilton, Britney Spears or anyone of that ilk

[kamgates]

You could always go totally Survivor and let the contestant decide if they wanted to keep their immunity or have a shot at the prize.

[polystyleneman]

Go with the blender, or take what's behind Door Number 3?

[J. Torres]

I think Brandon should propose to one of the contestants at the end!

[Brandon Hanvey]

I think Brandon should propose to one of the contestants at the end!

They're not my type.

[polystyleneman]

I think Brandon should propose to one of the contestants at the end!

Wow, now that IS funny.

[joelcook]

Not a bad idea. Just a thought here... In the spirit of keeping things interesting and "Reality-TV-ey", ever consider having the judges pick their favorite disqualified contestant to come back and make one of the final rounds more interesting?

Ohhhh.... do I hear "immunity challenge"?

[NeurosysBoy]

Caio my vote for you! Your draws are perfectly simple and cool!:cool:
Sucess for you!!!:)

[NeurosysBoy]

:p Votes are finished! I'm sorry... :rolleyes:

[Brandon Hanvey]

I added the round 3 names to the text file that shows who voted for who each round.

http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r1r2r3sort.txt

[MartinRedmond]

Dan M (R1 DM)
Dan M (R2 DM)
Dan M (R3 DM)

Caio Oliveira (R1 CO)
Caio Oliveira (R2 CO)
Caio Oliveira (R3 CO)

Reed (R1 JR)
Reed (R2 JR)
Reed (R3 JR)

The lone voice of altruism:

CPWilsonIII (R1 NP)
CPWilsonIII (R2 JH)
CPWilsonIII (R3 JR)


:)

[cg_maniac]

The lone voice of altruism:

CPWilsonIII (R1 NP)
CPWilsonIII (R2 JH)
CPWilsonIII (R3 JR)



wow, thanks for pointing that out, interesting.

[MartinRedmond]

I just thought it was amusing. I don't see how it matters.

[warren_0]

Some guys were just more practical about it. It's all on volume in the end.

[mightyfineline]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/1807741666_44855a4999_o.jpg

I've always wanted to quote myself... GO JON!

CPWIII - You did some really good work Dude but I only get one vote ;)