it is time for a new Superman videogame that has no link to films or animated series [Archive]

stu-el

10-28-2007, 12:21 PM

Bored at 3:00AM

10-29-2007, 09:41 AM

Anything that doesn't suck monkey balls like Superman Returns: The Game did would be fine with me.

Man, that game sucked...

666MasterOfPuppets

10-31-2007, 01:40 PM

There was a thread somewhere in this forum with the question: what would you like to see in a Superman game?

EA should be intelligent about this, and release another game. But at the same time, not release it just for the hell of it, but damn, put someone in charge who really loves and understands the character and what the fans want.

Slaughter

11-01-2007, 03:11 PM

I agree. I think we should have more stuff based on the comics. Maybe a 3D remake of Death and Return of Superman with more coverage of the history, with EVERYONE appearing and many more missions.

A example of minefo how I (IMHO) think a Superman game could be done: The game could begin with you playing with the one and only Superman. Of course, the beggining would be classic Underwolder atack. Following that, Doomsday arrives and a insane melee begins (with the JLI appearance to help) until Superman and Doomsday beat themselves to death. Following that, we get to choose to play as the Four Supermen. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it's Reign of the Supermen as these four new Supermen appear. Each one has a diferent playstyle - The Man of Steel atacks with rivet and hammer and is vulnerable to the Cyborg's possession of his armor, but he's the man against technology. Superboy got tactile telekinesis and can use it against pretty much anything is many ways. The Last Son of Krypton (Erradicator) plays using more energy atacks. The Man of Tomorrow (Cyborg Superman) can interface with technology and has Superman-level powers. Each character has his own storyline and missions, altrough they intercross (say, remember that Steel vs Erradicator fight? You will see this fight two times, one on each side), they have diferent endings that tell about each character after what happened at the end. After you end the four Supermen's storylines, the REAL SUPERMAN can be played, first as the Black Suit Superman, and then, as a fully powered Superman fighting against Cyborg Superman. If you find the right secret, you can play as Hal Jordan in a unique storyline too. After you finish everyone's campaing, you can see Doomsday, alive, coming near a spaceship, making a hint of a sequel: Hunter/Prey.

Besides the regular storyline, you can also play co-op and versus with your friends in the, say, Xbox Live or in the internet (if there's a pc version). The versus hold a lot of fighters: Superman, Black Suit Superman, Cyborg, Steel, Erradicator, Superboy, Mongul, Doomsday, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner with a yellow ring, Matrix Supergirl, Clawster and, as secret characters: Captain Marvel (that's to all you Superman vs Captain Marvel fans out there), Booster Gold, Batman, Ice, Fire, Bloodwynd and Maxima. Each one with unique superpowers and habilities. You can play a versus with 2 or even more players if you want to have a all-out melee brawn with your friends online.

And EA should not hand this. Blizzard would do lot better. They did the original Death and Return of Superman, after all.

Other plotlines that could offer very good games are Greg Rucka's Ruin storyline, The Trial of Superman and many, many others. Comics >>> Movies and Cartoon.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-02-2007, 05:12 AM

Slaughter

11-02-2007, 09:52 AM

Blizzard? IIRC, it was Sunsoft the company that made the original SNES game.

OR they should revisit that cancelled SNES game in which Superman fights Brainiac.

OR bring in the SUPERMAN 2000 project and turn it into a videogame, or make Grant Morrison write a story, or, or....

Ooops, thought it was Blizzard. Yeah, I remember Sunsoft.

But as said, yeah, no more movie and cartoon-based videogames, for the love of them little green apples.

I would prefer they did games with original storylines or at least storylines based on the comics.

The best comics based video games I ever played in my life are Death and Return of Superman and Maximum Carnage. Hours and hours of fun in the most insane melee brawls of all the beat-em up genre!

If you look the comics, you have plenty of story arcs for a game:

Death and Return of Superman (Death of Superman, Funeral for a Friend, Reign of Supermen and Return of Superman)
Trial of Superman
Superman/Batman - Public Enemies
Our Worlds at War
Hunter/Prey
Doomsday Wars
Y2K
When Worlds Colide
Battle for Metropolis
King of the World

And more and more and more... so many more... DC should stop wasting time with games based on the movies and the cartoon, after all, the comics are a much better souce of stories.

aukevin

11-02-2007, 11:38 AM

I really liked how Superman played in Justice League Heroes. That was an awesome game IMO.

Crimson

11-02-2007, 12:15 PM

They need to... I mean in the Superman Returns game they had an amazing world but the gameplay and the story was pretty crap.

Half the work is done, if they just used that and spent the development time coming up with interesting missions and stories it'd be the perfect Superman game.

Slaughter

11-02-2007, 02:11 PM

I think today's hardware could easily enable us to use ALL of Superman powers. Would'nt be interesting if you could use Super-Hearing to find someone or to listen to Radio Waves and use the vision powers to do a lot of things, switching vision modes like in say, AvP 2 while playing as Predator and, say, see through things with X-Ray Vision, use Infrared vision to see in the dark, microscopic vision to see something down to the atomic level, telescopic vision to see father away (maybe even use it as a "aiming scoop" for long-range heat-vision atacks), and even Eletro-magnetic vision to see radio/television frequencies and pretty much the entire EM Spectrum and a lot of other things. Now imagine that! Superman up to full power!

I really liked how Superman played in Justice League Heroes. That was an awesome game IMO.

How Superman played there? And I've heard of this game, it's good?

Sean Whitmore

11-02-2007, 02:45 PM

BYC

11-02-2007, 04:59 PM

Justice League Heroes was basically X-Men Legends/Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Superman was a monster in it when fully upgraded. The plot was very DCAU, and the game felt like it was in the DCAU, both a big plus, IMO.

Slaughter

11-02-2007, 07:58 PM

I'd be all for a Superman game that made use of the entire range of his powers, and incorporated more problem-solving into the storyline.

I mean, I had fun flying around and smashing things in Superman Returns, but God knows when I bought it I didn't think it was ALL I would do.

SEAN

I think Supes' powers would be very good to help in the interaction of the game. Only a game about Green Lanterns could have more usues for the character's powers.
Think about the possibilities:

Combat: Let's say someone atack you, say, a mind-controlled Captain Marvel. You then activate superspeed. Then, you run against the Captain and pummel in Superspeed, then dodge his atacks while hitting his face with heat vision. The Captain goes to superspeed too, as he's no pushover, grabs you, shouts SHAZAM and then dodge away. BOOM, the thunder hit Superman! After that, Captain Marvel uses his superspeed to run towards you and pummel Superman with punches, but a breath of Artic Vision stop him. You aproach him and he says SHAZAM! again, breaking the ice, harming Superman and turning back into Billy Batson. And then, before he has the chance to say SHAZAM! again, you have Superman use the X-Ray vision to deduce how to shut up the Captain: Hit his vocal cords with a well-aimed heat vision blast, not strong enough to make him mute for the rest of his life, just to shut him up for some moments or maybe even hit Billy's stomach with a very weak punch, strong enough to make him thrown out what once was his breakfast but weak enough not to kill him. While he throwns up, using superspeed, Superman buys a lot of tape recorders nearby. Following that, he returns to Billy and waits until he says Shazam! to begin recording. After that, he stops all the recording at the exact time and play the SHAZAM! said by Billy and configure the recorders to repeat SHAZAM! ad-nauseum. From all recorders at the same time. Maybe even with increased speed. Now watch as a thunderstorm transforms Billy into Captain and vice-versa in the question of several times per second. Maybe that could atract the Wizard's attention and he can easily solve the whole mind control deal with his magic.

Crime-Solving:

A replica of Steel's Anihilator (a personel weapon Steel once made in the comics, it fired anti-matter beams, pretty much with enough firepower to destroy ANYTHING and ANYONE fired at. It was the ultimate personel weapon) his stolen from Steelworks. Superman then teams up with Steel to find it. The first thing Superman does is using his vision powers to find somekind of trace. Superman finds the robber's heat trail and goes along with it. Supes and Steel eventually come to a abandoned wharehouse owned by Lexcorp. Some villains appear and are dispatched. After that, Superman goes along the heat trail again, and finds Lex Luthor installing The Anihilator in his battle suit as a cannon. Luthor then begins firing anti-matter beams at the heroes. Both are able to dodge the atacks, but the Anihilator's power is so great that even Superman has to keep caution. They fly away, with Luthor close behind. Supes then use X-Ray vision to see how he could disable the anihilator with a well-timed heat vision blast. After disarming Luthor, the heroes take care of him and he escapes with a teleporter.

And so many stuff... think about the interactivity...

666MasterOfPuppets

11-02-2007, 08:14 PM

IamtheRock3

11-02-2007, 08:22 PM

you know the actul engine to superman returns game rocked

had the powers down right and everything

promblem you faught robots all the time and didnt give you more to do

So I would keep the game engine and change everything else

Bored at 3:00AM

11-02-2007, 11:45 PM

I think a little God of War puzzle-solving and cinematic button sequencers would fit right in with Superman. Think Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, but with Intelligence and Critical Thinking.

Bored at 3:00AM

11-02-2007, 11:47 PM

promblem you faught robots all the time and didnt give you more to do

Don't forget the dragons, who fought a tedious number of dragons on top of the robots.

Slaughter

11-03-2007, 01:02 AM

It's amazing how videogame makers haven't been able to come up with a VG worthy of the world's premiere Superhero.

I mean, why do we have so many ideas? And why don't they? Why do these guys always execute their ideas in a poor fashion?

It's SUPERMAN, god dammit. Why can't they make a REALLY GREAT game?

Yeah, sometimes I think about that, too.

First of it all, it's SUPERMAN. Big Blue, The Blue Boyscout, The guy who pretty much gave the SUPER to Super-Hero, The Last Son of Krypton, The Man of Tomorrow, The MAN OF STEEL, the guy who is the mild-mannered premium reporter Clark Kent and the greatest superhero of the world at the time!!! And they can't just pick The Be-All-End-All Comic Character and create a game with him?

I say that they should lay off the movies and the cartoons, and do the true Superman, in game form and use modern hardware to give us a total Superman experience. I think the last time I played a good Superman game was Death and Return of Superman.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-03-2007, 07:47 PM

I think a little God of War puzzle-solving and cinematic button sequencers would fit right in with Superman. Think Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, but with Intelligence and Critical Thinking.

Cinematic button sequencers as in Shenmue? Or do you have something else in mind?

666MasterOfPuppets

11-03-2007, 07:57 PM

Yeah, sometimes I think about that, too.

First of it all, it's SUPERMAN. Big Blue, The Blue Boyscout, The guy who pretty much gave the SUPER to Super-Hero, The Last Son of Krypton, The Man of Tomorrow, The MAN OF STEEL, the guy who is the mild-mannered premium reporter Clark Kent and the greatest superhero of the world at the time!!! And they can't just pick The Be-All-End-All Comic Character and create a game with him?

I agree. The All-Time Greatest Superhero deserves the all-time best Superhero videogame. And were I in charge, he would, god dammit. It's amazing to see the incredible lack of imagination the game makers have when it comes to a Superman videogame.

BTW, how good was the XBox Superman videogame?

I say that they should lay off the movies and the cartoons, and do the true Superman, in game form and use modern hardware to give us a total Superman experience. I think the last time I played a good Superman game was Death and Return of Superman.

Death And Return Of Superman was considered by me to be the best Superman game, until Superman Returns appeared. Not that I played it, but what I read pointed in that direction.

Anyway, I thought DAROS to be a decent game, but repetitive most of the time. I remember that, while playing it, I thought things like "but why did they do things this way?, and I would have added this or that detail in here". Things like that, that were possible using the available tech.

Bored at 3:00AM

11-04-2007, 02:43 AM

Cinematic button sequencers as in Shenmue? Or do you have something else in mind?

Cinematic button sequencers like in God of War....and the recently released Conan: Just Like God of War But With Conan.

stu-el

11-04-2007, 05:41 AM

i must admit that my knowlegde on superman is that great as some peoples are, so what i would like in the game is to learn more about him and if other players that have a light interest in superman they would be able to find out more about him whilst playing the game. If the videogame makers do a good job making the best superman game ever made then they can do follow ups.

I also agree that player should be able to use all of his powers not just heat vision, freeze breath and super blowing. he should have his superhearing and x-ray vision powers aswell.

maybe the game could be a bigger game with a bigger storyline so that when you are playing it the first disc your just playing the first part of the story there could be 3 disc's the begin, middle and the end .The begining of the game you start off in smallville to practice all your powers and skills( which could be the first chapter of the game.) and then you would move to metropolis to be a milemanned reporter clark kent and the man of steal SUPERMAN .There the story could go on from there but it doesn't have to have lex luthor through out the whole game be the villian.

Bored at 3:00AM

11-04-2007, 08:22 AM

The problem with super-hearing and X-Ray vision is it becomes an impossible task for the game programmers. Not only do they have to design and program an entire interactive city, but they also have to design and program what most of that stuff looks like inside and out...down to the skelleton.

Stanlos

11-04-2007, 03:02 PM

I think there should be a new Superman game that isn't just about flying around and saving the day . There should be mini puzzles games that the player/s has to figure out because in the Superman return game it got boring saving people from aliens and kittens all the time.

It would be more fun changing in and out of the suit as you please and saving or helping people in realistic situations (eg car crash/robberies/helping someone get somewhere in a hurry).

They could still use the metro life bar and superman energy bar so you would know how much metro needs saving and how much power superman has left .They could also so introduce more DC characters so if someone new to superman was playing the game they would be given loads of info about the DC universe. And for the storyline they can use some of the greatest superman stories into the game and lex luthor doesn't have to be the only villian.

What does everybody else think?

I am enjoying playing as Superman (with Martian Manhunter in tow) right now on JUSTICE LEAGUE HEROES (http://justiceleagueheroes.warnerbros.com/). His powers sound and look awesome in this game. If you have slept on this game, wake up! Check out the most recent commercial/short film in the link provided above.

Each Leaguer "feels" like their comic book selves and sound and FX team are to be commended for the lush visuals and manifestations of the various powers. No two characters feel the same (so it isn't just a palette or shell swap). Superman is the most powerful character in the game and once he levels up to max, he is unstoppable!

666MasterOfPuppets

11-04-2007, 06:31 PM

Cinematic button sequencers like in God of War....and the recently released Conan: Just Like God of War But With Conan.

Since I haven't played any of those, could you please elaborate a little bit more?

The problem with super-hearing and X-Ray vision is it becomes an impossible task for the game programmers. Not only do they have to design and program an entire interactive city, but they also have to design and program what most of that stuff looks like inside and out...down to the skelleton.

Aw c'mon. I'm not a programmer myself, but doing that wouldn't be impossible. Long and painful, yes, but not impossible. :p

I am enjoying playing as Superman (with Martian Manhunter in tow) right now on JUSTICE LEAGUE HEROES (http://justiceleagueheroes.warnerbros.com/). His powers sound and look awesome in this game. If you have slept on this game, wake up! Check out the most recent commercial/short film in the link provided above.

Each Leaguer "feels" like their comic book selves and sound and FX team are to be commended for the lush visuals and manifestations of the various powers. No two characters feel the same (so it isn't just a palette or shell swap). Superman is the most powerful character in the game and once he levels up to max, he is unstoppable!

As he should be!

Bored at 3:00AM

11-04-2007, 09:11 PM

Since I haven't played any of those, could you please elaborate a little bit more?

Aw c'mon. I'm not a programmer myself, but doing that wouldn't be impossible. Long and painful, yes, but not impossible. :p

Not impossible, but prohibitively expensive, particularly with HD graphics. The cost and time needed to complete the game would be too much for the game to be profitable.

You could go to any video game website, type in God of War and find gameplay videos that will show you what I'm talking about with cinematic button sequences.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-05-2007, 05:09 AM

Not impossible, but prohibitively expensive, particularly with HD graphics. The cost and time needed to complete the game would be too much for the game to be profitable.

You could go to any video game website, type in God of War and find gameplay videos that will show you what I'm talking about with cinematic button sequences.

Sadly, you're right. And according to that, it will be ages before costs go down so the dream of the Ultimate Superman game can come true.

stu-el

11-05-2007, 01:50 PM

i would just like there to be a superman game where you can solve problems/crimes that will help the player to save the people of metropolis and the world as superman/C,K where you can choose who to be. but i would love to play the game with a really good storyline also to have the same freedom that you had in superman returns.

also just wondering to make the game could the makers use the similar gameplay as grand theft auto san andreas. where you can do just about anything you want to do but they would just take out the gta theme and make it a superman game.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-05-2007, 07:35 PM

It would be really, really important to see people's reaction whenever Superman passes next to them. His presence is supposed to cause awe in everyone (and everyone means every person in the game). It would be cool to hear people saying the classic phrases: "Look! Up in the sky!" "It's a bird! It's a plane! It's SUPERMAN!" Things like that.

Since it's Metropolis, the city should be full of cars and people, and all of them looking at Superman as he goes by. And it'd be a nice touch to see that scene from Superman: The Movie translated to the videogame: all the women in that office running to the window to see Superman.

Slaughter

11-06-2007, 08:43 AM

I would also like to see the other DC characters like Batman or Wonder Woman. Or get in tussles with people like Lobo and Orion.

Another thing I would like is Superman/Clark Kent interaction. I mean, it's not like Superman is Superman all the time (altrough the world thinks so). So, you get back to home after bashing some villain's head and then, using Superspeed, a pair of glasses and BAM, you're Clark Kent. As Clark, you CAN use your powers, but it's better if you're not seen changing clothes or throwing cars at people with one finger, or people are just going to give THAT look to you and say something like "Well hello, DUH! Clark Kent IS Superman!!" or "Superman appears and Clark is never nearby. Concience? YEA!!!" and, the next day, you are probrably in all the papers with a BIG headline "CLARK KENT IS SUPERMAN!!!!" Of course, you are going to need to turn back from Clark into Superman one way or antoher, so, you only need to find a way do it without anyone looking (I would say phone boths, but today's won't do. Say, revolving doors, wharehouses, superspeed or sotans or something), Just release a button and BAM, you're Superman!

But something that would be interesting to implement in a alternate, more mature Superman game are MORAL DECISIONS, as Superman's morals are integral to the character and I love games that give you the moral decisions. Let's say you get a petty thief. What you do with him? Give him to the police? Beat him just for fun? Kill him with heat vision while everyone (is/not) looking? Thrown him into a revolving door just for fun as his head in contantly banged by the door? And each decision you take influences the game in diferent ways. All about choices and consequences.

Says, suppose you decide to play a Vigilante Superman that kills criminals. If you kill criminals, expect most people to fear you and other, non-killer heroes to hunt you, for the danger you are. And the governament to hate you. And to some jornals print JJJ'esque things like "SUPER-THREAT KILLS A GANG AND BRAINIAC!!" And all your decisions would impact everything, everyone.

Naybe your Superman is, in fact, a criminal. Instead of fighting for justice, truth and the american way, you fight for injustice, lie and the unamerican way. You would be even more hated, and Superheroes coming to Metropolis in a mission to bring Superman to justice would. Again, all decisions impact everything and everyone.

Maybe your Superman is like the Golden-Age Superman. Get criminals in the way of a bullet burst and all that.

Maybe your Superman is so moralist, so righteous and peaceful that's he's ineffective and shy. Remeber JLA: The Nail? Yeah, just like that.

And many other choices with more consequences...

Stanlos

11-06-2007, 02:44 PM

Since I haven't played any of those, could you please elaborate a little bit more?

Aw c'mon. I'm not a programmer myself, but doing that wouldn't be impossible. Long and painful, yes, but not impossible. :p

As he should be!

. . . And then I got to the Martian Fusion Engine Chamber on the Mars chapter on Superhero level.

Now we are not so invincible. :(

datriadx18

11-07-2007, 10:45 AM

I think the framework for the superman returns game is pretty much perfect. all they need to do is add more landmarks than the supes statue and daily planet building, and loads more interesting stuff to do than friggin racin the leprechaun midget( cant spell his name) and bashin robots and lizards. A nice well rounded story and solvin the odd bank robbery here and there would really capture supes IMO.

aukevin

11-07-2007, 12:03 PM

How Superman played there? And I've heard of this game, it's good?

Justice League Heroes was basically X-Men Legends/Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Superman was a monster in it when fully upgraded. The plot was very DCAU, and the game felt like it was in the DCAU, both a big plus, IMO.

yeah BYC's right, Superman was awesome when fully powered up. He was hard to bring down, which is good! JLH was a tandem game where you would control one hero (usually Supes for me) while the computer (or another player) controlled the other. A lot of times with Supes I would just float around frying people with my heat vision, but you could also get on the ground and tussle with the baddies. Supes had a really strong punch, a freeze breath to freeze the baddies and then you'd punch them. He also had this move that was called Man of Steel where he would pretty much be invincible for a short time. Here's all the moves for Supes in the game:

Heat Vision
Freeze Breath
Uppercut
Flying Strike
Man of Steel - Surrounded by red energy, reducing the amount of damage taken.
Alternate skins: Earth-2, Kandor Suit, Black suit from Death of Superman

666MasterOfPuppets

11-07-2007, 07:41 PM

. . . And then I got to the Martian Fusion Engine Chamber on the Mars chapter on Superhero level.

Now we are not so invincible. :(

A tough stage, huh? Are you playing with Superman?

BYC

11-07-2007, 08:35 PM

A tough stage, huh? Are you playing with Superman?

Unless I'm mistaken, on Superhero difficulty, all enemies do 16x more damage than normal. The level he's talking about is the White Martians escaping and attacking. They're one of the toughest normal enemies in the game, and even though they're tough, a good player should have no problems. The main issue is they do a lot of damage per hit, then multiple that by 16.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-08-2007, 04:46 AM

Ah, OK. Thanks for the tip.

aukevin

11-08-2007, 07:39 AM

Unless I'm mistaken, on Superhero difficulty, all enemies do 16x more damage than normal. The level he's talking about is the White Martians escaping and attacking. They're one of the toughest normal enemies in the game, and even though they're tough, a good player should have no problems. The main issue is they do a lot of damage per hit, then multiple that by 16.
The hardest level on the game IMO is when you are stranded only using GL and Martian Manhunter. Had I'd been able to use Supes on that level, it would have been a lot easier. I believe he was off in space with Wonder Woman during that time in the game.

stu-el

11-08-2007, 10:42 AM

Could we use some of the threads that we have posted and send them off to a game making company. I would love to play the superman game we have been talking about.

what do you all think ?

666MasterOfPuppets

11-08-2007, 11:05 AM

That would be great. But the question is: will any of those guys pay any attention to what we have to say?

In fact, before the release of Superman Returns: The Videogame, EA had a suggestions thread or something among those lines at their website. According to the reviews, they didn't pay much attention to what the fans posted over there.

stu-el

11-08-2007, 12:16 PM

Ironman2978

11-08-2007, 12:38 PM

I like villians who are actually a threat and only superman as the main charater.

Bizzaro, metallo, Lex Luthor, Braniac, Ultra Huminite, parisite, doomsday, zod and other phantom zone villians, cyborg superman, and others. Mabye superman should be in a more realistic destructive metropolis and he can get hurt and his powers are in the middle of his only power is super stregnth, invunrability, jumping, swim at superspeed and the almost god like superman of silver and bronze age, birthright and post ic making him at a JB man of steel like Superman.

loz

11-09-2007, 05:20 AM

I will admit, I've only played Superman Returns game to just fly around because whenever I've watched my boyfriend playing on this game it looks really tedious! Finding 100 cats?! what's that about? and why on earth did the gamemakers think oo we'll just give them something extra to do? any idea? oh yeaa find 100 cats. It's boring.

Storyline wise to the game I'm not sure because I haven't played it myself but as far as I'm aware, you preety much watch the clips that would happen rather then actually getting to play the clips being shown.

I don't really know where the gamemakers were going with the game because to be honist for someone who has all these powers that us as humans can never have as well as a good career which yes a lot of us can have, they really let the character of Superman/CK down and the fans! You would think that because they've got a well known character and all these different things that he can do that they would be coming up with an awesome game! but they didn't? Prehaps they were given a low budget I don't know but I hope the next one is better cos then I might sit down and play the game myself.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-09-2007, 05:54 AM

LOOK AT THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_xTne_Hgs

it is a kool video of what would be a great to do in the game.

also we would get enough people to help back the idea for a great superman videogame but it would have to be like a million people because at least that way they know that the game would be profitable and i know there is more than a million superman fans that would love a game where you can be clark kent andn superman.

by the way when watching the video pretend the back round is metropolis.

It would be cool for the player to actually be able to change ID's. Say, every stage starts, randomly, in one of the following places:

Above Earth.
The Fortress Of Solitude.
The Daily Planet (Clark's workplace or Perry's Office).
Clark's Apartment.

And after you finish the job, you can go to either of those places in order to get new missions. But if you spend too much time outside The Planet, people might start getting suspicious about you.

stu-el

11-19-2007, 03:38 PM

Slaughter

11-19-2007, 04:45 PM

It would be cool for the player to actually be able to change ID's. Say, every stage starts, randomly, in one of the following places:

Above Earth.
The Fortress Of Solitude.
The Daily Planet (Clark's workplace or Perry's Office).
Clark's Apartment.

And after you finish the job, you can go to either of those places in order to get new missions. But if you spend too much time outside The Planet, people might start getting suspicious about you.

YES!! This is one of the best things that could be done! Journalist missions with Clark Kent and maybe Jimmy Olsen and/or Lois along for the ride! I would love the possibility of fighting crime as Clark Kent. Also, it would be interesting if, in the game, you can possibly make a mistake and then BAAAM everyone KNOWS that CLARK KENT IS SUPERMAN. And, instead of a instant "game over", it would open many possibilites: villains would begin atacking your friends, maybe you could announce your own identity on live TV and then be Superman all the time (remember when Steel's secret identity was outted?) and, how knows, maybe you could even work with someone to help people.

Also, in a Superman game, I would like to, see, FEEL like as if I'm in the DCU. Appearances of Batman, Green Lantern Hal Jordan, the Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Orion, Lobo (tussles with the last three could be very fun indeed!) and many others.

And the villains! Villains abound! Lex Luthor, General Zod, Braniac, Parasite, Metallo, Bizarro, Mxyztplk, Darkseid, Gog, Cyborg Superman, Doomsday, Mongul... maybe even not only Superman villains like The Joker, Zoom, Sinestro, Circe, Amazo, Solomon Grundy and others, many others!

666MasterOfPuppets

11-19-2007, 06:56 PM

i really like the ideas that have mentioned in this thread for a new superman game. so how can we start getting other people to like the idea. i did think that we could do a voting thing but i am not sure how to do that.

i would really like for our ideas to come to life .

please i would really like to play this game.

Me too, stu. Me too.

YES!! This is one of the best things that could be done! Journalist missions with Clark Kent and maybe Jimmy Olsen and/or Lois along for the ride! I would love the possibility of fighting crime as Clark Kent. Also, it would be interesting if, in the game, you can possibly make a mistake and then BAAAM everyone KNOWS that CLARK KENT IS SUPERMAN. And, instead of a instant "game over", it would open many possibilites: villains would begin atacking your friends, maybe you could announce your own identity on live TV and then be Superman all the time (remember when Steel's secret identity was outted?) and, how knows, maybe you could even work with someone to help people.

Also, in a Superman game, I would like to, see, FEEL like as if I'm in the DCU. Appearances of Batman, Green Lantern Hal Jordan, the Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Orion, Lobo (tussles with the last three could be very fun indeed!) and many others.

And the villains! Villains abound! Lex Luthor, General Zod, Braniac, Parasite, Metallo, Bizarro, Mxyztplk, Darkseid, Gog, Cyborg Superman, Doomsday, Mongul... maybe even not only Superman villains like The Joker, Zoom, Sinestro, Circe, Amazo, Solomon Grundy and others, many others!

I dunno about the guest appearances, except for Orion, Wondy and Lobo. It could work, though, if they are no more than appearances/cameos. And the journalists missions would be sweet.

stu-el

11-25-2007, 02:35 PM

We should now start a voting poll to see how many peolpe would like to play this game just like the superman costume thread where they voiced their opion on what the game should have and then the game makers can pick the idea that a most common . but i don't know how to set the voting poll up so could someone help me PLEASE because it would be a great game to play for the people that would lioke to know how it feels to be Kal-El.

Sorry if i keep going on about making this game but i can see how it could be in my head and i would really like it to come to life.

666MasterOfPuppets

11-25-2007, 07:12 PM

Don't be sorry. And IMO, better than creating a poll here (in CBR), you have other options, i.e. creating a petition at petitiononline.com OR sending a letter to Electronic Arts, which is the company that owns the Superman rights for videogames right now.

TomServoFan

12-02-2007, 02:07 PM

Hell yes, a completely independent Superman game would work much better then following any of the movies or shows. They should do it in the mode of the "Spider-Man" and GTA games.

666MasterOfPuppets

12-03-2007, 08:12 AM

Yup. It's a damn shame that EA has to wait till a movie is released in order to make a Superman videogame.

Project 22

12-03-2007, 11:36 AM

So...there are tons of things that people really haven't though of for this.

First of all, the game needs to be story driven, not action driven. If it is driven by action, players will get bored due to monotony, which was my only problem with the gameplay in the new JL game.

Another thing I think they should do is allow customizable costuming. At the beginning of the game, I think that you shouldn't have the option, but at some time, players should be capable of creating new costumes which will look reminiscent, but not identicle to many of the costumes he has used in the past. With them, I think that special properties and power levels to Superman should be in tow, as his powers/levels haven't always stayed the same.

I think the engine for Ultimate Spider-Man would work better than Superman Returns, but I also think that there should be a level of detail like GTA has, which there are obviously skeletons for the buildings, it wouldn't be hard to work with them in people.

A fair amount of the game should be ingame cinematics and we should spend far less time playing as Superman than we should as Clark Kent.

For his powers, I think that flight, strenght, speed, and invulnerability shouldn't be toggled or driven by a power meter. Superman never turns these off, they just are there. He doesn't use speed all the time, but that is not because it is turned off.

All his vision powers, telescopic, heat, x-ray should be toggled through a two button combination, so that you have to intentionally turn them on, as should super breath.

As for the story, honestly people, can't they just do something new? Get Kurt Busiek to write the story, just like BMB wrote Ultimate Spider-man's dialogue.

I think it would be great to have to deal with a bunch of Clark Kent moments, ie having to lie about where you are going, having to conceal your identity, having to keep Lois happy, all amidst the chaos that is inevitably your life.

I'd prefer his overall power level to be down to the level of the Max Fleisher cartoon to give some sense of difficulty.

The cameos should be handled better than it seems most think they should. I think we should go into Bibbo's bar and find Ted and Booster drinking beer. Guy should get punched out by Bibbo for mouthing off. We should see a jet which is actually flown by Hal, but never see him. We should hear reports about Gangbuster and possibly Batman, but lesser on Batman, as it is a Superman game.

A good game has a lot of depth and things you actually want to do (I honestly think that if anyone completed all combat tours and races in Ultimate Spider-Man, you really don't have anything better to do). Even GTA got old after you beat the story. But it is far better if there are many ministories that you could deal with, maybe an hour or two of Lois time, an hour of saving Jimmy, and hour of dealing with the Super kids, ie Kara and Conner, an hour of completing assignments for Perry, an hour of having to visit the parents (which there would be a "warp" with a flying cinematic between Smallville and Metropolis).

The big problem with the game is that Superman needs to leave the city, so there have to be those places too, although at a lesser degree than a whole city.

To do this game right, we really don't have the tech yet, give it another decade and we will see.

stu-el

12-14-2007, 01:28 PM

i don't think that people who are fans of Superman would be bothered to much what the graffics are like as long as there is lots to do playing the game and there is a good storyline to playalong with.

For example GTASA@'s gaffics weren't that great but it was a good game because of what you got to do .

But i am sure that their are people that will be happy playing a Superman game where you can play with a good storyline and freedom to do what you as CK or as Superman.

They got to do it with Spider-man and other Marvel comics and they were all good but NOW It is SUPERMAN AND OTHER DC COMIC CHARACTERS to take the gaming would by storm because graffics are good enough now to help move DC comic through to another Generation.
does anybody agree.

666MasterOfPuppets

12-14-2007, 08:39 PM

Word. It's time for the king to kick everybody else's butt in the videogame world.

Slaughter

12-15-2007, 11:20 PM

Word. It's time for the king to kick everybody else's butt in the videogame world.

I Agree. It's time Superman shows to the world WHY he's THE HERO even in a time where almost everyone says he's obsolete.

I would like to see a comic book writer doing the history. Geoff Johns, Busiek, Donner or Greg Rucka would be up for the task.

As for the powers and the playability: I believe we should have all of Superman's powers available. ALL OF THEM. Super-Strenght, Invulnerabiity, Heat Vision, Artic Breath, Super Speed, super-hearing and all the vision powers.

Superman should be killable and have three meters: "Solar-Meter" showing how much solar energy you have in your body, "Life Meter", showing your HP and "Mental Meter", showing kind of a mental resistance HP. In daylight or in space, you get your solar levels renewed constantly. In the night, you don't get more energy, but your solar levels won't deplete fast. Also, the solar-meter also shows how much Red Sun energy you have on your body (yellow sun light goes UP, red light does DOWN until it begins to push the yellow light downwards). If the meter is totally red or empty, congrats, you are powerlesss :evilsmile :D :eek: Seek cover and sunlight until your powers recover, or you are in deep trouble. Also, the solar-meter also shows you Kryptonite poisoning. Your solar meter turns green and begins to diminish until your solar meter is empty, after that your life meter begins to diminish, and quickly. The life meter diminish from blows strong enough to hurt you, Kryponite bullets (the damage is just as physical as radioactive), magic and such.

I believe that invulnerabily and Super-strenght should be always active. Super-Speed should be activated by a single button tap. Heat vision and Artic Breath too, the power of both should be determined by strength of the pressing. And yes, you can use more than one power at the same time. Flight should be something very simple to do, too. Vision power and hearing are very interesting. Vision powers should be toggled like you toggle the diferent vision modes in Alien vs Predator.

PatrickG

12-17-2007, 01:50 PM

I really think it would work best as a cross between Grand Theft Auto and an MMO.

We're not looking for something that's part shooter/part space simulator.

City of Heroes is better than any Superman game I've played. The SR game sounded interesting. I recall them saying it would be free form and that you wouldn't die unless there was Kryptonite involved (you could fail, however, and get a game over) but I don't know how far they stuck to that.

Maybe have a tutorial/training mode on the Kent Farm. (The learning curve in these games suck and it usually feels like a bunch of different games depending on the power, all cobbled together.)

Here's my proposition: Kryptonite, magic and very rare kinds of brute force can kill you. The game is open ended. The game has randomized elements. (Ie. What villain is doing what, where and when...) The game world is destructible and persistent. Society can fall. Nuclear war can happen. Your friends can die. Whatever happens, you keep playing, shy of Kryptonite, magic or Doomsday.

The goal is not to win. The goal is triggering good events, avoiding bad ones and sustaining peace. You can be lax but bad things will happen. You can kill your enemies but this will trigger darker events.

The plots are based on comic book stories. They include things like the Phantom Zone, Brainiac shrinking the city, discovering Supergirl, teaming up with other heroes (perhaps with a fight thrown in). You start at an early stage of Superman's career. (Video game has its own continuity.) You progress. The enemies evolve, mirroring appearances from the comics, based on your choices.

The game rewards you for being more Superman-like and penalizes you for being un-Superman like. You can fry Luthor, for instance, if you get tired of him. But the next time some Kryptonite lands in the city, if the cops get there before you do, they might try to take you down if you get kill-happy. And you can successfully keep Luthor at bay as a businessman or you can send him to prison or you can reform him.

The game world can essentially become Silver-Age, Golden-Age, Bronze-Age, Modern-Age or reflect certain Elseworlds. You act very Silver-Age and you face red Kryptonite and discover more Kryptonians. You act very Modern-Age and Lex stays in power but you win over Lois. You act like a psycho fascist and you get a Red Son or Dark Side scenario. You unlock spare costumes the deeper you get into a certain playstyle. And the costumes get progressively more extreme.

Maybe work in Waverider or a similar figure as an unlockable means of trying out various paths.

sadisticon

12-17-2007, 06:57 PM

I would like to see a video game based on the series of Superman movies from the 70s and 80s. Everyone has stated most of my ideas already and they were for the most part produced in the films.
Hear me out:
You play as Jor El and must design a spacecraft...
You play as an auto-pilot-bot and must guide a rocket ship through space hazards...
You play as a young man alienated in a small farming community and complete a series of tasks to become earth's greatest...
You play as the hero of Metropolis and deal with the mini-missions we desperately needed in that abomination from last year:
robberies, assaults, car chases, police assists, ambulance assists, citizen assists (even more ideas?)...
Replace Luthor's real estate rockets with kryptonian battle droids (or maybe one of them)...
Phantom Zone criminals in a fully destructible Metropolis...
Playable villains...
Ursa throws the bus herself (did you grit your teeth at that scene as well?)
Cutscene flights to warp you home to Ma and Pa (no death scene please) and to the fortress...
Lois must be kept safe and charmed, James must be kept safe and awed, Perry always wants a story (oh look, more mini-missions)...
Replace Gus with Milton Fine...
Replace Robert Vaughn's vomit with Morgan Edge or even Luthor...
Intensify Superman's desire to protect Earth (Reign of the Superman)
and create a shadowy organization to combat his plans to rid the world of nuclear weapons...
Loss of a mission should necessitate a restart (sorry) my idea? You wake up in CK's apartment or the Fortress and your 'failure' was all a dream (hey hey, quit that smirking; DC did it all the time)...
I wish I could win the lottery and do it myself guys, I'd damn sure listen to you...

sadisticon

12-17-2007, 07:03 PM

Slaughter

12-18-2007, 12:49 PM

Oh oh oh
and that playable villain? Not always The General, Non, Ursa or Lobo;
I think the scariest thing would be to have to try to evade capture by a flying space alien that can see through walls, disintegrate bricks and fling cars like plates. Just a thought as a minigame... steal the diamonds and make your way back to your hideout on the other side of Metropolis... if you can.
And cars... lots of cars, trucks, buses

Okay, this is scaring. Can you imagine that: Flee from a flying space alien that can see through walls, hear each beat of your heart, see the heat trail from your body, bend a truck in five with his pinky finger, eat bullets and simply stare people to death if he wanted to?

Ok, this is CREEPY!!

The game rewards you for being more Superman-like and penalizes you for being un-Superman like. You can fry Luthor, for instance, if you get tired of him. But the next time some Kryptonite lands in the city, if the cops get there before you do, they might try to take you down if you get kill-happy. And you can successfully keep Luthor at bay as a businessman or you can send him to prison or you can reform him.

The game world can essentially become Silver-Age, Golden-Age, Bronze-Age, Modern-Age or reflect certain Elseworlds. You act very Silver-Age and you face red Kryptonite and discover more Kryptonians. You act very Modern-Age and Lex stays in power but you win over Lois. You act like a psycho fascist and you get a Red Son or Dark Side scenario. You unlock spare costumes the deeper you get into a certain playstyle. And the costumes get progressively more extreme.

Maybe work in Waverider or a similar figure as an unlockable means of trying out various paths.

Cool! I like your actions influencing what happens and how things turn out! Very Fallout-ty!!

metr0man

12-20-2007, 01:00 PM

What the game needs is a unique control system, something intuitive. I played this game on PS2, shadow of the colossus... you spend the whole game going after these gigantic monsters, and there were only a few controls like jump, "hang", and one or two others, that's it, the enemies were crafted so that using these few simple controls, you could figure out ways to beat them. Something naturalistic like that would work beautifully. Free form smooth flying control, one punch button, one lift button, and something like a hang button, and that's it. Imagine having to battle a flying monster over metropolis, who's so fast you cant' catch him, so you have to free-form fly and chase him, and then grab him by the hair or something, hang on for dear life, and just POUND him into submission with fists while hanging on, while keeping your balance as it tries to buck you. or a giant robot where you have to fly around it trying to figure out key spots to punch him, etc.

Once you have the "fun to play" central control, then its gravy to come up with uses for it.