Avengers: The Initiative #7 *Preview* [Archive]

PunisherFan

10-26-2007, 09:19 PM

The Vulturions??? lol I'm surprised any one would ever use those guys again. Hopefully b/w The Scarlet Spiders and Vulturions they kill each other off. Isn't there supposed to be a Spidey villain guest star as well?? Judging by how the writers are using character (the vulturions) that no1 cares about will the villain be the Masked Marauder or Mindworm brought back to life b/c writers in Marvel constantly take hershey squirts all over continuity

Starpiper

10-27-2007, 02:34 AM

Hmmm...looks interesting. I'm kind of holding out hope that the Scarlet Spiders will turn out to be MVP clones. If I remember correctly, they kept including a picture of MVP along with the rest of the trainees in the opening line-up page, something they never did for Armory, the other, er, absent trainee.

Unfortunately, it looks like the title has been pushed back to Nov.14 instead of Oct.13 when it was supposed to come out. :/

Starpiper

10-27-2007, 02:36 AM

Ack! Accidental double-post, nothing to see here...

JesseJay

10-27-2007, 05:04 AM

I heard somewhere that one of them is "someone from peter parker's past" that intriges me.

worstblogever

10-27-2007, 04:37 PM

I heard somewhere that one of them is "someone from peter parker's past" that intriges me.

Hobie Brown has been MIA since Ms. Marvel Civil War, and he has experience with tech suits.

Pro

10-27-2007, 05:19 PM

The Spiders have never been seen unmasked so their identities remain a mystery.

Way to go on that whole public identity and accountability thing that started this whole mess ..

StoneGold

10-27-2007, 06:00 PM

Way to go on that whole public identity and accountability thing that started this whole mess ..

It wasn't supposed to be total public knowledge of IDs though. Tony Stark and God, remember?

Granted, that was Gauntlet hyperbole, but there you go.

Dan_Slott

10-27-2007, 06:01 PM

Way to go on that whole public identity and accountability thing that started this whole mess ..

Well now you're just bein' silly.
Of course the GOVERNMENT knows who they are.

XPac

10-27-2007, 06:50 PM

Well now you're just bein' silly.
Of course the GOVERNMENT knows who they are.

Wasn't the idea that only Tony Stark (who isn't technically a part of the US government) the only one that's suppossed to know their identities? At least that's what I thought I heard somewhere.

Funkdmonkey

10-27-2007, 07:15 PM

I hope Peter kicks all their butts :D

However, this is yet another potentially huge continuity blunder for Spider-man. Everyone is having a hard time deciding when One More Day is occurring with the black/red costume swaps, him appearing in other books, his attitude in said books, etc..

Pro

10-28-2007, 03:51 AM

Well now you're just bein' silly.
Of course the GOVERNMENT knows who they are.

Anyone who relies on shady government agencies for accountability and disclosure is delusional. A cop is accountable, a secret agent is not. USA secret agents have the right to infiltrate any country and exercise their own judgement as to who or what is considered a threat against the united states and to act upon that judgement. The USA has even forced the international court to exempt american troops from being prosecuted for war crimes. So honestly this whole registration thing reeks. There is no accountability towards the general public.

General audience:"We used to hate all superhumans but now one of them says he has it all under control so we can sleep undisturbed again".

I've asked Brevoort repeatedly how this SHRA thing works exactly and frankly no one at marvel seems to be able to give a straight answer on the matter. It is considered unimportant and the result is a mess with every writer interpreting things differently.

worstblogever

10-28-2007, 03:55 AM

Well now you're just bein' silly.
Of course the GOVERNMENT knows who they are.

Gyrich sure seems to give the impression he knows what the score is, and he's so fed it hurts. By the way, Dan, you're using Gyrich to his fullest. He's an uptight bastard through and through who still is trying to bring order to the American people. You've nailed him, and I salute you.

Dan_Slott

10-28-2007, 04:25 AM

Anyone who relies on shady government agencies for accountability and disclosure is delusional. A cop is accountable, a secret agent is not.

What about an undercover cop?

Pro

10-28-2007, 05:14 AM

What about an undercover cop?

Undercover cops are accountable. But not to a single person. If they're suspected of foul play they are dragged before a comittee. Superheroes seem to be accountable to Tony Stark only. I asked before about who watches the watchers but i never really got a straight-forward answer to that question. And i just don't see how the public suddenly calmed down when accountability was reduced to a single superhero instead of all of them.
Wasn't the whole point of the Civil War story that the public wanted openess about who's protecting them and how exactly? How are things better now that Stark is in charge of superhuman affairs?

If you want to compare the situation to undercover cops then the public suddenly mistrusted all undercover cops because a couple of them were seen on America's Most Wanted blowing up a school to catch a crook. Would the public really be satisfied if one undercover cop came out to the public and said:"It's okay folks, i was an undercover cop too and i'm telling you things are cool now. Just trust me".

Of course it's a little hard comparing undercover cops to people who fly around in bright costumes ramming Joe Commonman's car into Rhino's face. Can Joe file charges against the brightly clad superhero who totalled his car and made him lose the job he was driving to?

And what if someone is charged? Will his trial be public or behind closed doors? Will the investigation be led by Tony Stark or by a comittee? Will they be given all relevant information, including the identity of the suspect so his house can be searched, his friends and relatives questioned? We don't rely on oil companies to give us a straight answer about an oilspill because it's not in their own interest to do so. Likewise why does the public trust a superhero to hold other superheroes accountable?

Wasn't the point of the SHRA that superheroes would be held accountable to the public?

worstblogever

10-28-2007, 06:38 AM

Wasn't the point of the SHRA that superheroes would be held accountable to the public?

For that matter, there still seems to be a lot of "at large" activity, despite the "hunt down all unregistered heroes and villains". The Hood's crew in New Avengers alone is escaping detection, and that's like a conspiracy of dozens of costumed yahoos at this point. Plus, there's the Marauders tearing up civilians to get a few targets in X-Men, or the Zodiac getting away in New Warriors (not to mention the NW themselves, but Stark's pulling strings apparently).

For all the hype around SHRA its impact is getting inconsistent treatment in both the manhunts for fugitives, and their own version of Internal Affairs, but each one is increasing or decreasing its influence to further impact a story, or leave it to be a contained tale. Nobody's going to buy their favorite Marvel book to see every Marvel hero get called to the carpet in front of Stark for disciplinary action every week. Sure, maybe there will be a few instances of writers showing us Tony policing his own... but if it's overused, it really would reduce the impact when it does happen. The Initiative, and Slott, have shown us that sometimes they will hush it up so the media doesn't find out... but they sure as heck don't let the members of the Initiative off with a slap on the wrists.

The fear of Tony Stark calling you into the principal's office is going to be a tough literary device for all the Marvel writers to share effectively, methinks. Note:(get it before anyone else beats you to it, Slott!)

Dan_Slott

10-28-2007, 06:40 AM

Undercover cops are accountable. But not to a single person. If they're suspected of foul play they are dragged before a comittee. Superheroes seem to be accountable to Tony Stark only. I asked before about who watches the watchers but i never really got a straight-forward answer to that question. And i just don't see how the public suddenly calmed down when accountability was reduced to a single superhero instead of all of them.

See? THAT sounds like an interesting story-- and maybe something we could do in the pages of The Initiative: a panel review for when one of the trained heroes screws up.

Because to me, it does work like undercover cops. In A:TI #1 we establish that whenever an Initiative member uses their powers in public they MUST wear a mask. (Of course, this doesn't hold for super heroes that have already been operating in the publich w/o masks: Tigra, Ultra Girl, Thor Girl, etc.) And the reason for this is so that Initiative members families don't wind up like Aunt May.

worstblogever

10-28-2007, 06:48 AM

See? THAT sounds like an interesting story-- and maybe something we could do in the pages of The Initiative: a panel review for when one of the trained heroes screws up.

Because to me, it does work like undercover cops. In A:TI #1 we establish that whenever an Initiative member uses their powers in public they MUST wear a mask. (Of course, this doesn't hold for super heroes that have already been operating in the publich w/o masks: Tigra, Ultra Girl, Thor Girl, etc.) And the reason for this is so that Initiative members families don't wind up like Aunt May.

Would you consider making the agents who came to investigate Gauntlet's assault the same kind of "Internal Affairs" of the Initiative, or would you try to appoint an established character with powers under SHIELD authority to investigate, would be my question...

Will.S

10-28-2007, 09:46 AM

I've asked Brevoort repeatedly how this SHRA thing works exactly and frankly no one at marvel seems to be able to give a straight answer on the matter. It is considered unimportant and the result is a mess with every writer interpreting things differently.
I think Tom answered this in the Q & A at various points saying that if he were to tell you how everything works on paper that it would be a very long document that would be boring to read and is not something they would want to release.

Marvel kept that aspect vague because they want the answers about the SHRA to be found in the books themselves and was designed to give writers the leeway to explore whatever rules were outlined from the offset and run with it. If they look to be contradictory for whatever reason then that's another thing you can legitimately scrutinize but the stuff going on in books like Avengers: The Initiative, New Avengers, New Thunderbolts, Mighty Avengers, Captain America, Iron Man, New Warriors is where to get it from.

XPac

10-28-2007, 10:01 AM

I think Tom answered this in the Q & A at various points saying that if he were to tell you how everything works on paper that it would be a very long document that would be boring to read and is not something they would want to release.

Marvel kept that aspect vague because they want the answers about the SHRA to be found in the books themselves and was designed to give writers the leeway to explore whatever rules were outlined from the offset and run with it. If they look to be contradictory for whatever reason then that's another thing you can legitimately scrutinize but the stuff going on in books like Avengers: The Initiative, New Avengers, New Thunderbolts, Mighty Avengers, Captain America, Iron Man, New Warriors is where to get it from.

Honestly I think in some ways the Breevort Q&A thread made things more confusing (not to say I didn't appreciate the time and effort he made to answer all those questions). Because several of the things he did say ended up conflicting with what occured in the actual books.

That said, if they did release some sort of document giving bullet points on exactly how the registration would work, I'll wager a lot of people actually WOULD want to read it. I don't think it would be a good idea to do that, since I think the vagueness works in the writers favor as far as not giving them boundries... but I think he underestimates the appeal such a document would have to at least a certain portion of the readership.

Will.S

10-28-2007, 10:11 AM

Honestly I think in some ways the Breevort Q&A thread made things more confusing (not to say I didn't appreciate the time and effort he made to answer all those questions). Because several of the things he did say ended up conflicting with what occured in the actual books.

That said, if they did release some sort of document giving bullet points on exactly how the registration would work, I'll wager a lot of people actually WOULD want to read it. I don't think it would be a good idea to do that, since I think the vagueness works in the writers favor as far as not giving them boundries... but I think he underestimates the appeal such a document would have to at least a certain portion of the readership.
So why not just make a thread listing the bullet points of what we've seen so far concerning the execution of the SHRA?

That would be a fun idea that can also include contributions from readers here on the boards. I think the SHRA was built to give fans something to work with and discuss. As for the document itself, all I really needed to know was that if a Superhero isn't registered and is using his/her powers they're going to be hunted down by either the T-Bolts or a Capekiller squad. A major exception is Firestar who just quit and didn't seem to use her powers whatsoever after that so they left her alone.

XPac

10-28-2007, 10:25 AM

So why not just make a thread listing the bullet points of what we've seen so far concerning the execution of the SHRA?

That would be a fun idea that can also include contributions from readers here on the boards. I think the SHRA was built to give fans something to work with and discuss. As for the document itself, all I really needed to know was that if a Superhero isn't registered and is using his/her powers they're going to be hunted down by either the T-Bolts or a Capekiller squad. A major exception is Firestar who just quit and didn't seem to use her powers whatsoever after that so they left her alone.

A thread like that might be fun... though I doubt it would clarrify anything. Honestly, if we were able to agree on exactly what the comics were saying we wouldn't have as many debates about it to begin with.

And in part it's because of instances like Firestar that there's confusion. Are you really allowed to just not register and not use your powers? Firestar would indicate that that would be the case. Yet Breevort states Jessica Jones (who has long been retired) would have to register, and in fact could be called into service for SHIELD anytime they have need of her. Issues like that are potential inconsistances that could be clarrified if Marvel did a better job conveying exactly what the SHRA entails. Though again, by doing so they would handicap the writers to some degree so it's probably not worth it.

Will.S

10-28-2007, 10:46 AM

A thread like that might be fun... though I doubt it would clarrify anything. Honestly, if we were able to agree on exactly what the comics were saying we wouldn't have as many debates about it to begin with.
Well think of such a thread as a giant no-prize as well as having fun structuring what you've seen so far.

And in part it's because of instances like Firestar that there's confusion. Are you really allowed to just not register and not use your powers? Firestar would indicate that that would be the case. Yet Breevort states Jessica Jones (who has long been retired) would have to register, and in fact could be called into service for SHIELD anytime they have need of her. Issues like that are potential inconsistances that could be clarrified if Marvel did a better job conveying exactly what the SHRA entails. Though again, by doing so they would handicap the writers to some degree so it's probably not worth it.
I think I got it.

Firestar's a mutant (which I forgot) so she's already registered and was among the 198 in O*N*E's files. It appears then that even if you retire you must register and Jessica Jones wasn't whereas Firestar already was albeit in another form but is in the govt system nonetheless.

XPac

10-28-2007, 11:34 AM

Well think of such a thread as a giant no-prize as well as having fun structuring what you've seen so far.

I think I got it.

Firestar's a mutant (which I forgot) so she's already registered and was among the 198 in O*N*E's files. It appears then that even if you retire you must register and Jessica Jones wasn't whereas Firestar already was albeit in another form but is in the govt system nonetheless.

That's a good point.

But it also raises an interesting question. We know mutants don't have to register because of the 198 thing... but do they need to get the liscences to use their powers? The government (for a change) isn't bugging the Xmen and they're using their powers to their hearts content as far as we know.

Mutants really seem to be a weird exception. Civil War somehow created a situation where the government actually seems to be MORE flexible with them than most heroes.

Arilou

10-28-2007, 11:53 AM

But it also raises an interesting question. We know mutants don't have to register because of the 198 thing... but do they need to get the liscences to use their powers? The government (for a change) isn't bugging the Xmen and they're using their powers to their hearts content as far as we know.

I think the X-men kind of fall under the same umbrella as the FF: They have proven themselves (relatively) trustworthy and so get to "police their own" so to speak.

Doesen't mean they won't get dragged away if they mess up TOO much but the routine enforcement seems to be left up to them.

It seems like most registered heroes are still largely left to their own devices, unless they are called in for something special (that's how Heroes for Hire operates, for instance)

Will.S

10-28-2007, 11:59 AM

That's a good point.

But it also raises an interesting question. We know mutants don't have to register because of the 198 thing... but do they need to get the liscences to use their powers? The government (for a change) isn't bugging the Xmen and they're using their powers to their hearts content as far as we know.

Mutants really seem to be a weird exception. Civil War somehow created a situation where the government actually seems to be MORE flexible with them than most heroes.Yeah that is weird.

I think that's why O*N*E is still around, it's a pretty convenient way to work around the mutants using their powers because they're under constant surveillance from the Sentinels and that office. Since Decimation they've also been on a roller coaster ride of non-stop action and threats that gives them no other choice than to use their powers.

Craziness abound with:

- X-Men dealing with Apocalypse, Sinister and the Marauders

- Uncanny X-men with Vulcan, Terrorist Morlocks

- The 198 Mr. M's rebellion

- New X-Men reeling from Stryker and his Purifiers, Nimrod, Kimura, and Belasco

- X-Factor with Damian Tryp & X-Cell

JesseJay

10-28-2007, 12:05 PM

XPac

10-28-2007, 12:12 PM

I think the X-men kind of fall under the same umbrella as the FF: They have proven themselves (relatively) trustworthy and so get to "police their own" so to speak.

Doesen't mean they won't get dragged away if they mess up TOO much but the routine enforcement seems to be left up to them.

It seems like most registered heroes are still largely left to their own devices, unless they are called in for something special (that's how Heroes for Hire operates, for instance)

It's an awerfully generous attitude to have considering one Xmen team until just recently had Sabretooth and Mystique as members.

XPac

10-28-2007, 12:16 PM

During the beginning of civil war, I thought a hero could just op to not register and not use their powers and everything would be peachy, but lately i've been hearing that heros can be called into action at the governments whim and that they have to register. This superhero drafting makes the SHRA look alot worse in my eyes.

Yeah, we saw in Frontline with Wonderman and in She-Hulk with Jen that there is a drafting component to Civil War. SHIELD agents have outright called it a draft when they needed it to be one.

Tony also made it pretty clear to Thor that he needed to work for the government, though a severe butt kicking forced him to backpedal from that quickly enough.

Arilou

10-28-2007, 02:53 PM

It's an awerfully generous attitude to have considering one Xmen team until just recently had Sabretooth and Mystique as members.

Who ended up backstabbing them no less.

I always imagine some kind of bureaucrat getting the paperwork but conveneintly losing it so as to not have to deal with the Summers-clan's backstories. ("Okay, he's her father, and she's her mother... And her mother is dead, okay... Not the first time that happened I see.... oh, she's from the FUTURE. Her mother ate a PLANET..... Hmmm, better put this file in the back of the pile, now, whose next... Nathan Cable Askanisson Dayspring Gesundheit Summers?")

During the beginning of civil war, I thought a hero could just op to not register and not use their powers and everything would be peachy, but lately i've been hearing that heros can be called into action at the governments whim and that they have to register. This superhero drafting makes the SHRA look alot worse in my eyes.

To be fair, SHIELD has drafted (or blackmailed) people before the SHRA, so it is hardly anything new.

XPac

10-28-2007, 02:57 PM

To be fair, SHIELD has drafted (or blackmailed) people before the SHRA, so it is hardly anything new.

When were some occasions when SHIELD did that? Because usually when I see Fury asking for help, the heroes pretty much agree to help.

Pro

10-29-2007, 11:14 AM

See? THAT sounds like an interesting story-- and maybe something we could do in the pages of The Initiative: a panel review for when one of the trained heroes screws up.

First thanks to Dan Slott for answering. It is always appreciated when a writer takes the time to talk to readers.

The concept of an internal affairs review board would be great and possibly pushing the issue further into a full fledged court case.
It wouldn't even have to immediately be about bloody murder or deadly accidents. But what about damages during a superhero fight. If a civilian gets his house trashed by a trained hero what happens? Can it lead to a court case? If it is dragged into court can the hero be forced to reveal his identity? How does the hero feel about the accident? Justified, guilty? What about the review board? Do they have ulterior motives? What if the trained hero is held responsible in a courtcase?

Of course it could be about a deadly accident .. drama galore.

It would show us more of the inner workings of the SHRA and how it gives the common man the ability to hold heroes accountable. Because accountability to the public was one of the main reasons for the SHRA, wasn't it?

Pro

10-29-2007, 11:14 AM

I also wondered and never was answered how did the SHRA affect corporate america? Corporations have government contracts to make weapons for them. Is it now legal for companies to make superheroes? Who sets the moral limits on how far a corporation can go in developing superheroes for the government and possibly even personal use? And given how often people point out Halliburton's oil contracts being a conflict of interest how do such corporations respond to Stark running a mega corporation who helps create superheroes and being head of the secret supertaskforce of america at the same time?

Monty_Cristo

10-29-2007, 05:31 PM

I also wondered and never was answered how did the SHRA affect corporate america?

stuff like that doesn't always demand an immediate answer. it might be more fun to just read the story and see how it plays out. :)

Corporations have government contracts to make weapons for them. Is it now legal for companies to make superheroes? Who sets the moral limits on how far a corporation can go in developing superheroes for the government and possibly even personal use? And given how often people point out Halliburton's oil contracts being a conflict of interest how do such corporations respond to Stark running a mega corporation who helps create superheroes and being head of the secret supertaskforce of america at the same time?

they do stuff like blackmail Hardball into stealing S.P.I.N tech.

FrogMan

11-01-2007, 08:19 AM

Rahul

11-01-2007, 10:40 AM

Did they actually say that one of the Scarlet Spiders was someone from Spidey's past? I thought they said someone from Spidey's past shows up in this issue.

Cause, y'know, Frog-Man is appearing in #7, and he's from Spidey's past.
Dear God, it would rock.

Although I dont know if the luck power he's got translates across the suits...

Magneto Rocks

11-01-2007, 11:17 AM

Yeah, we saw in Frontline with Wonderman and in She-Hulk with Jen that there is a drafting component to Civil War. SHIELD agents have outright called it a draft when they needed it to be one.

Tony also made it pretty clear to Thor that he needed to work for the government, though a severe butt kicking forced him to backpedal from that quickly enough.

Actually, it's very unclear in general about this component. Dan has called it a draft, Tom has denied this. In fact, as Tom pointed out, the SHIELD agents didn't cite anything for their draft, and according to him they drafted Wonder Man illegally. He also says She-Hulk didn't protest much when asked to join even though she was under no legal obligation to do so. And of course, we already know that 90% of Tony's speech in Thor #3 was either hyperbole or rubbish.

So no, while it's very possible there's a drafting element, it's still up in the air considering the number of titles that either deny it implicitly or never mention it.

Mark_S

11-01-2007, 11:34 AM

Or to put it simply it is like the transporter range in Star Trek. If the story needs the ship to be in range it will be in range, if not, then the ship will not. It depends upon the writers needs and whims.

Trouble is that this approach may give a lot of leeway to the writers but it is a bit like watching a baseball game in Los Angeles and having three strikes mean you are out and a baseball game in New York and having four strikes mean you are out. It makes in impossible to enjoy the game when you don't really know the rules.
I have trouble looking at all the marvel stuff because I simply don't understand what the rules are with the sra, and I get the feeling that not only does no one at marvel understand either they simply don't want to understand. It's very frustrating.
Marvel should decide and tell us once and for all: Is the sra a draft/slave law as I have seen it used (She-Hulk, New Avengers (Tigra being worried where she would have to live with no option of resigning the sra and retiring shown) or is it simply a database of superbeings? Because until they do I'll go with Tony's tactics in cw and guess that it is a draft/slave law.

Mark_S

Monty_Cristo

11-01-2007, 01:58 PM

Did they actually say that one of the Scarlet Spiders was someone from Spidey's past? I thought they said someone from Spidey's past shows up in this issue.

Cause, y'know, Frog-Man is appearing in #7, and he's from Spidey's past.

the interview showed a sketch of Eugene in the actual Frog-Man costume. he's way too fat to be one of the Scarlet Spiders.

Red Lotus

11-01-2007, 02:05 PM

I heard somewhere that one of them is "someone from peter parker's past" that intriges me.

Yes Sarah Stacy is back :D

Mark_S

11-01-2007, 02:41 PM

I figured that the Scarlet Spiders were all clones of Peter's that Hank whipped up.

Mark_S

FrogMan

11-02-2007, 06:33 AM

the interview showed a sketch of Eugene in the actual Frog-Man costume. he's way too fat to be one of the Scarlet Spiders.

No no no. I meant, did it actually say somewhere that one of the Scarlet Spiders is the person from Spidey's past, OR just that somebody from his past returns in this issue. Frog-Man qualifies as someone from Spidey's past.

I never meant to imply that I thought Eugene was one of the SSs.

Plus isn't it the suit that is fat? His dad wore one in Frog-man's last appearance and he looked fat in the costume, although he had a fit build out of the costume. Maybe Eugene has slimmed down since we last saw him?

XPac

11-02-2007, 06:47 AM

Actually, it's very unclear in general about this component. Dan has called it a draft, Tom has denied this. In fact, as Tom pointed out, the SHIELD agents didn't cite anything for their draft, and according to him they drafted Wonder Man illegally. He also says She-Hulk didn't protest much when asked to join even though she was under no legal obligation to do so. And of course, we already know that 90% of Tony's speech in Thor #3 was either hyperbole or rubbish.

So no, while it's very possible there's a drafting element, it's still up in the air considering the number of titles that either deny it implicitly or never mention it.

Tom said it wasn't a draft, yet he also said a person registered can be called into serivce by SHIELD anytime they needed them. Even long retired people like Jessica Jones. To me saying it's not a draft while stating they can call you into service anytime they want is just splitting hairs.

PunisherFan

11-02-2007, 07:44 AM

Rahul

11-02-2007, 08:24 AM

Could be Gabriel or Sarah Stacy.

Ohhh, this way Dan Slott gets multiple pages on a single discussion thread! Great Thinking!

Monty_Cristo

11-06-2007, 04:41 PM

Have y'all seen the LIBERTEENS?

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1778.Initiative_Initiation%3A_The_Lib erteens

Pennsylvania just got a little weirder. me, i think they are skrulls.

Will.S

11-06-2007, 05:36 PM

Have y'all seen the LIBERTEENS?

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1778.Initiative_Initiation%3A_The_Lib erteens

Pennsylvania just got a little weirder. me, i think they are skrulls.
That's awesome both as a concept and as part of the Initiative.

I'm glad we're seeing more teams from the 50 State Initiative being formed in this title although I'm not that big of a fan of Whiz Kid's costume since it's too drab and dark. It should be more colorful like the previous whizzer but with the modern sensibilities.

PunisherFan

11-06-2007, 05:39 PM

the liberteens??? I can honestly say i have no interest in that at all. lol

Monty_Cristo

11-06-2007, 05:48 PM

the liberteens??? I can honestly say i have no interest in that at all. lol

wow. that surprises me since at least 2 of them are packing heat.

That's awesome both as a concept and as part of the Initiative.

I'm glad we're seeing more teams from the 50 State Initiative being formed in this title although I'm not that big of a fan of Whiz Kid's costume since it's too drab and dark. It should be more colorful like the previous whizzer but with the modern sensibilities.

you want it to be yellow? her original costume was green and yellow. of course that's not always a good idea for a stealth character.

Will.S

11-06-2007, 06:21 PM

you want it to be yellow? her original costume was green and yellow. of course that's not always a good idea for a stealth character.
I actually liked the older mail room costume better.

As for the stealth thing, ehhh. She's already pretty quick so it's not like it should be that big of a priority.

Monty_Cristo

11-06-2007, 06:24 PM

I actually liked the older mail room costume better.

As for the stealth thing, ehhh. She's already pretty quick so it's not like it's that should be big of a priority.

at any rate, i feel sorry for the guy who has to try to look cool in the revolutionary soldier costume.

Will.S

11-06-2007, 06:37 PM

at any rate, i feel sorry for the guy who has to try to look cool in the revolutionary soldier costume.
Heh indeed.

TotalWorldDomination

11-08-2007, 08:45 AM

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006277251.cfm

New Preiview- Now with Texty goodness!

ExtraEpidermis

11-08-2007, 09:16 AM

I'm calling it now. The Scarlet Spiders are MVP clones.

TotalWorldDomination

11-08-2007, 09:30 AM

I'm calling it now. The Scarlet Spiders are MVP clones.

Very Possible. It could be that BvB found MVP before the initiative did and started his own cloning op. thus the dead MVP is actually a clone and the one at home is an original.

Or It's a resurrected Ben Reliy and 2 other Spider-Clones.

RonnieThunderbolts

11-08-2007, 07:28 PM

Very Possible. It could be that BvB found MVP before the initiative did and started his own cloning op. thus the dead MVP is actually a clone and the one at home is an original.

Or It's a resurrected Ben Reliy and 2 other Spider-Clones.

I don't think it is either of those, at this point, it does sort of seem like they are MVP clones, the "uniamerikan" line being connected to "E Pluribus Unum" by the Baron, his research into the unique resource of MVP's corpse and the reference to him as a father figure to the Scarlet Spiders make it seem like they're most likely MVP clones, but, it could be anything I guess, but I don't think him having prior access to MVP makes any sense whatsoever in story.

Blader5489

11-08-2007, 07:39 PM

Monty_Cristo

11-08-2007, 07:42 PM

well we've established that War Machine (and Tony) are being kept out of the loop; in regards to the Camp's dirtier secrets. and that guy who blackmailed Hardball is a Senator of some sort.

Rahul

11-08-2007, 11:18 PM

I love Peter's dialogue.

"Oh it's a special suit, Peter. I designed it just for you, Peter. Comes complete with a removable mask for...oh, I dunno...nationwide press conferences!"

LMAO. I'm going to love Slott's run on Brand New Day.
Except he didnt unmask himself with that costume.

Anyway, if they all turn out to be MVP clones, I'm gonna be disappointed.

IIX

11-09-2007, 05:13 PM

One of them could be Eddie Brock?

*hides*

Kefky

11-09-2007, 05:23 PM

One of them could be Eddie Brock?

*hides*

No, no, no. You're supposed to say "Ben Riley". THAT'll get 'em riled up. ;)

Monty_Cristo

11-09-2007, 05:28 PM

Except he didnt unmask himself with that costume.

Anyway, if they all turn out to be MVP clones, I'm gonna be disappointed.

if they are MVP clones, one of them got a sex change.

IIX

11-09-2007, 06:23 PM

... Why's that?

Monty_Cristo

11-09-2007, 06:28 PM

... Why's that?

one's a female

ExtraEpidermis

11-09-2007, 06:32 PM

if they are MVP clones, one of them got a sex change.

X-23

And that's all I have to say about that.

Monty_Cristo

11-09-2007, 06:34 PM

X-23

And that's all I have to say about that.

can't control....grow..ing..rage....

yeah, but that would be evidence of one strange sense of humor on the Baron's part. i don't even want to know what he does with his "children" in private.

pariah-1972

11-09-2007, 09:19 PM

I don't understand why Firestar wouldn't already be pre registered since the Avengers would have her info on file.. unless of course they actually do wanna draft her and don't know where shes been hiding?
that also goes for Spidey .. why are they hunting him down to "register" shouldn't he have already done that when he was Tonys sidekick? unless of course they are 1. made at him for leaving or 2. want to draft him.

and i really don't understand how all mutants are already registered wot about the evil ones or the morlocks or the ones left on genosha? and wot about any other random mutant that is not part of the x men? how would some unkown mutant be pre-registered?
this is all very confusing.:confused: