Cable and X-Force Writers Revealed

[Jmd211]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006204356.cfm

Cable: DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI

X-Force: Chris Yost and Craig Kyle

Wizard kind of revealed that Yost and Kyle were writing X-Force. Does that mean that New X-Men are going to be cancelled or are they doing 2 X Books? :eek:

[Cayman]

X-Force is definitely a must-buy then.

I enjoyed the Duane Swierczynski novel I read, but I don't care for Cable.

[Karl H]

Kyle & Yost finally confirmed is good news.

This Cable is looking more and more like it's gonna be a book I'm personally gonna avoid.

[Sentinel K]

I think New X-men is going to get a new writer. Or maybe a re-launch (again).

[Nyssane]

That must mean... Carey is writing a Magneto & The Acolytes series!!!

[Karl H]

That must mean... Carey is writing a Magneto & The Acolytes series!!!

I wanna see Predator X Eats the Marvel Universe as written by Robert Kirkman

[pariah-1972]

Who is that duane guy and what has he done?
and what incarnation/version of Cable are we going to get this time?

[Cayman]

Who is that duane guy and what has he done?
and what incarnation/version of Cable are we going to get this time?

He's a crime novelist and his Marvel comics debut will be the Moon Knight annual in November.

[MatthewDiCarlo]

Best possible outcome of this will be Carey on New X-Men.

Yost/Kyle is so much better than I was expecting on X-Force.

Alonso is apparently really excited about Cable, so that means I'm not expecting it to be something I'd like. We seem to be polar opposites when it comes to what we like about comics.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yost and Kyle deserve 2 books. Cable deserves to fail and die to teach Axel Alonso a lesson on not likeing Cable & Deadpool.

[Karl H]

Yost and Kyle deserve 2 books. Cable deserves to fail and die to teach Axel Alonso a lesson on not likeing Cable & Deadpool.

To be fair, I will probably avoid it as a mark of respect for C&D.

[Jmd211]

Who is that duane guy and what has he done?
and what incarnation/version of Cable are we going to get this time?


the guy wrote the moon knight annual coming out soon

[SUPERECWFAN1]

To be fair, I will probably avoid it as a mark of respect for C&D.

I'm sure others will as well. I'm avioding it since I never really digged the character to be honest.

[Elias Bogan]

That must mean... Carey is writing a Magneto & The Acolytes series!!!

The owner of my LCS swears that X-Men is not being cancelled nor is it changing writers. And I don't know about the rest of you but to me the conversation between Iceman and Cyclops in yesterday's issue seemed to confirm as much.

[Cayman]

Yost and Kyle deserve 2 books. Cable deserves to fail and die to teach Axel Alonso a lesson on not likeing Cable & Deadpool.

Bah, if Nicieza couldn't attract an audience with the almost 50 issues they gave him, he probably was never going to.

[Jmd211]

The owner of my LCS swears that X-Men is not being cancelled nor is it changing writers. And I don't know about the rest of you but to me the conversation between Iceman and Cyclops in yesterday's issue seemed to confirm as much.

I can;t see Marvel taking Carey off of X-Men anytime soon. His stories are so much fun to read. I do believe that he will be writing a mini, he said he would, about Xavier or how about the Mauders?!?!?!?

[Nyssane]

To be fair, I will probably avoid it as a mark of respect for C&D.

I will, too... unless Anaconda appears at some point. Otherwise, RIP my beloved Cable & Deadpool. I just hope Fabian gets a new project at Marvel... first they took away his awesome Thunderbolts, then they took away his awesome Cable & Deadpool, it's all very disappointing.

The owner of my LCS swears that X-Men is not being cancelled nor is it changing writers. And I don't know about the rest of you but to me the conversation between Iceman and Cyclops in yesterday's issue seemed to confirm as much.

I'd love it if it continued, but Carey himself said he wouldn't be on the book. So, it's possible it'll continue on, but Carey won't be writing it. Instead, he'll be writing a book which is a solo book, yet has a lot of supporting cast in it... and the character has been around since the beginning of the X-Men.

It's obviously Magneto, with the Acolytes as supporting cast.

[Christopher O]

Bah, if Nicieza couldn't attract an audience with the almost 50 issues they gave him, he probably was never going to.
I agree. Anyway, I'm pleased with Kyle & Yost on X-Force, and I'll at least give Cable a shot.

[Joe Zool]

Boo, I was wrong about Carey writing X-Force. :(

K&Y on X-Force... On one hand, NXM is great. On the other hand, you have the all-stabby-all the time! team.... Nope. That's not enough for me.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Bah, if Nicieza couldn't attract an audience with the almost 50 issues they gave him, he probably was never going to.

It was a book staying over 25,000 above the cancellation line. (with just the 1 big tie-in to keep it around ) You'd think that they'd wanna support a series thats pulled 50 issues. Instead of ya know.... junking it to do yet another revamp of Cable.

[Nyssane]

It was a book staying over 25,000 above the cancellation line. (with just the 1 big tie-in to keep it around ) You'd think that they'd wanna support a series thats pulled 50 issues. Instead of ya know.... junking it to do yet another revamp of Cable.

I don't know why they'd think a book with just Cable by himself would sell better than one with both Cable AND Deadpool, either. It has nothing to do with the writers -- Fabian wrote both characters wonderfully. It just seems odd to me that they think Cable's going to sell much better with a solo book... if fans wanted to read Cable, they would've read Cable & Deadpool, but we all know how well that did in sales.

[pariah-1972]

I'm sorry but Cable by himself is very very boring, he needs someone with a lot of charisma like Deadpool or even Cannonball to bounce off of.

[Pro]

Is that the second time they make a reference to whether the Cable series will play in the past present or future? Sounds like it won't play in the present then or why else make that comment more than once? Will Cable kidnap the new mutant baby to the past or future in a style similar to what happened to him? If Cable travels into the past, say to 1980, can he then reach his own future since events that alter history and wipe out his future won't happen until more recently in present day history .. ? My head hurts.

[Omega Alpha]

While is good to see Swierczynski's enthusiasm and love for Morrison's X-men, i still haven't seen anything to give me reason to be excited about it. Specially because i think i know how Cable returns in MC and i don't like it. I think he returns when Madrox and Layla go to the future and meet him there. And this is a Cable that never went to the past. As for X-force, I'm not the biggest fan of Kyle & Yost, but they are doing a good job at New X-men, all things considered, and I'll pick it up.

[caney]

I'll definately pick up X-Force now that Kyle and Yost have been announced as the writers. I wonder what their mission will be beyond Messiah Complex.

I have no interest in the Cable title.

[rwsmith]

The Cable revamp doesn't sound too promising. Instead of being a big part of the X-men Universe, it's starting to sound more like he'll be in a different time period altogether. Frankly I'm a bit disappointed, but hopefully I'm wrong in drawing that conclusion.

I am psyched about Kyle and Yost on X-Force, though. That book is going to be all kinds of awesome!

[kate-pryde]

I'm majorly disappointed with the Cable announcement too. This seems like it's going to be another oddball Tischman/Soldier X style Cable. I guess the only good thing about that is that it will be cancelled after six issues. Unless I hear that it's following Cable continuity and this new writer worships Weinberg, I won't buy it.

Yost and Kyle may be able to make X-Force work, but that roster represents everything I loathe about X-books.

[streator]

hmm.

sounds like new x-men will be ending.

i haven't read anything by the new cable author, but i'll probably give the book a shot.

i'll give x-force a chance, too.

[RoguishGurl]

I so psyched that Kyle and Yost is writing X-Force. Though it should be a surprise to us because X-23 is their baby, and i really couldn't imagine anyone else writing her. I'm really excited for this series now, but I hope it doesn't mean that New X-men is ending! I mean, we just got a new awesome team and they need more time to work together imo.

[kate-pryde]

It was a book staying over 25,000 above the cancellation line. (with just the 1 big tie-in to keep it around ) You'd think that they'd wanna support a series thats pulled 50 issues. Instead of ya know.... junking it to do yet another revamp of Cable.

It's clear Marvel wanted Cable & Deadpool cancelled.

Remember what Publisher's Weekly said:

This is a two-part crossover with X-MEN, not that you’d know it from Marvel’s promotion. I can’t understand what they were thinking here; if they’d told people what was actually in the book, they’d have sold thousands more copies. It’s not like Marvel to throw away money like this.

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/07/19/marvel-month-to-month-sales-june-2007/


So, why did Marvel not promote Cable & Deadpool? Why did Marvel throw away money?

It's exactly the same thing they did to Weinberg. When Quesada and Jemas took over, they decided to retool Cable. But Weinberg's sales were very good and fans loved him. So Cable wasn't promoted or advertised, Weinberg's plots were interfered with, and then when sales dropped, Quesada fired him citing poor sales. Weinberg went ballistic.

Cable & Deadpool had a considerable increase in sales during CW. But that wasn't capitalized on. Cable went to X-Men and the book became something completely different.

It was over a year ago that Alonso said his goal was to launch a Cable title. That was when Cable & Deadpool was selling over 59,000 an issue during Civil War! If it kept up those numbers, there was no way to justify cancelling it. So they tanked it. It's the same as the Weinberg situation.

[rwsmith]

I'm majorly disappointed with the Cable announcement too. This seems like it's going to be another oddball Tischman/Soldier X style Cable. I guess the only good thing about that is that it will be cancelled after six issues. Unless I hear that it's following Cable continuity and this new writer worships Weinberg, I won't buy it.

Yost and Kyle may be able to make X-Force work, but that roster represents everything I loathe about X-books.

Well, as you know, I have no objection to a more soldier-like Cable (in fact I welcome that approach). My problem is with the whole time-travel aspect, as it places him on the fringes of the X-books (perhaps even beyond that if he's displaced in time). They tried that approach with Bishop awhile back, and it didn't work for him then. It won't work for Nate now.

The best thing they could do to make Cable popular again would be to have him front and center in the X-verse, perhaps leading a core X-men team like the Astonishing squad.

This book will still sell better than Cable/Deadpool IMO, but probably just due to Olivetti's artwork. However it likely won't sell a whole hell of a lot better.

X-Force, on the other hand, is going to sell just fine.:D

[Pach!]

I don't know why they'd think a book with just Cable by himself would sell better than one with both Cable AND Deadpool, either. It has nothing to do with the writers -- Fabian wrote both characters wonderfully. It just seems odd to me that they think Cable's going to sell much better with a solo book... if fans wanted to read Cable, they would've read Cable & Deadpool, but we all know how well that did in sales.

Well maybe they wanted to read Cable,read an issue of C&D and didn't like Nicieza.

[Nyssane]

Well maybe they wanted to read Cable,read an issue of C&D and didn't like the Nicieza.

How can anyone not like Nicieza?![/jerry's mom]

[caney]

How can anyone not like Nicieza?![/jerry's mom]

LOL (I gets the reference)! I've enjoyed me some Nicieza. Ask Cayman though. He loathes the guy.

[cgar]

craig and chris on X-force...thats interesting. sucks that they probably wont be doing new x-men anymore. im not really into that team...i dont care about warpath or rahne....i like wolverine in moderation and x-23 is growing on me so i'll see what you guys think about it before actually picking it up.

actually if they took Psylocke away from CC and put her on this team then i would definitely pick it up

[pariah-1972]

Is X-force really going to have five people who all share similar powers or is it some kind of joke??

[cgar]

the promo art showed those four characters. we dont know who makes up the team yet

[kate-pryde]

Is X-force really going to have five people who all share similar powers or is it some kind of joke??

Maybe it was a joke. Maybe the New X-Men graduate to X-Force?

If that was true, man would I want Cable to be running X-Force. Putting Cable together with Pixie, Rockslide and Anole would be priceless.

[Cayman]

How can anyone not like Nicieza?![/jerry's mom]

Nicieza has a very dated writing style that hearkens back to a period of comic time when comics were really bad. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. His style will fit in better at DC where the editorial-driven stories favor discarded Marvel guys.

[Omega Alpha]

Well maybe they wanted to read Cable,read an issue of C&D and didn't like Nicieza.

Or... if they didn't read Cable in a book that had Cable and another character at least as popular as he is, they won't read him in a book in which he stars alone, specially considering the new series seems to be set on the future and detached from the MU continuity, unlike C&D, who had the X-men, the Silver Surfer, Cap. America, among others, guest-starring in important roles and even participated in Civil War.

[Pach!]

Or... if they didn't read Cable in a book that had Cable and another character at least as popular as he is, they won't read him in a book in which he stars alone, specially considering the new series seems to be set on the future and detached from the MU continuity, unlike C&D, who had the X-men, the Silver Surfer, Cap. America, among others, guest-starring in important roles and even participated in Civil War.

Maybe. I'm still giving the book a chance.

[Nyssane]

Nicieza has a very dated writing style that hearkens back to a period of comic time when comics were really bad. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. His style will fit in better at DC where the editorial-driven stories favor discarded Marvel guys.

You see it as dated, I see it as a fresh change from all the grim and gritty writing that is currently going on in Marvel.

[Christopher O]

Nicieza has a very dated writing style that hearkens back to a period of comic time when comics were really bad. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. His style will fit in better at DC where the editorial-driven stories favor discarded Marvel guys.
I couldn't have said it better, but I probably would've said it meaner.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's clear Marvel wanted Cable & Deadpool cancelled.

Remember what Publisher's Weekly said:



So, why did Marvel not promote Cable & Deadpool? Why did Marvel throw away money?

It's exactly the same thing they did to Weinberg. When Quesada and Jemas took over, they decided to retool Cable. But Weinberg's sales were very good and fans loved him. So Cable wasn't promoted or advertised, Weinberg's plots were interfered with, and then when sales dropped, Quesada fired him citing poor sales. Weinberg went ballistic.

Cable & Deadpool had a considerable increase in sales during CW. But that wasn't capitalized on. Cable went to X-Men and the book became something completely different.

It was over a year ago that Alonso said his goal was to launch a Cable title. That was when Cable & Deadpool was selling over 59,000 an issue during Civil War! If it kept up those numbers, there was no way to justify cancelling it. So they tanked it. It's the same as the Weinberg situation.

Its funny in a way. To watch them go to levels to ruin a series to relaunch one an editor likes. Its gonna be fun to watch people pick up the 1st issue and then watch the series slide down fast . We all should check back in a year or 2 and see the book's sales and wonder what Alonso will say if he has to pull the plug on it.

Nicieza has a very dated writing style that hearkens back to a period of comic time when comics were really bad. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. His style will fit in better at DC where the editorial-driven stories favor discarded Marvel guys.

Fabian's style seems to be ....have good selling work that isn't explosively selling huge. Get no praise or promotion from Marvel for years. Get booted from titles (Thunderbolts) for a "name" guy and watch the promotion grow.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Nicieza has a very dated writing style that hearkens back to a period of comic time when comics were really bad. I'm sure he's a very nice guy. His style will fit in better at DC where the editorial-driven stories favor discarded Marvel guys.

At times, yes. But that wasn't the case with Cable and Deadpool.

He used logic, reason, shades of grey while mixing in continuity with characterization. If anything, his flaw was treating the politics of his book with moderation and consideration instead of over the top pot shots that Millar and his ilk have encouraged. Shame that logic and reason are becoming a lost art in comics.

[Christopher O]

At times, yes. But that wasn't the case with Cable and Deadpool.

He used logic, reason, shades of grey while mixing in continuity with characterization. If anything, his flaw was treating the politics of his book with moderation and consideration instead of over the top pot shots that Millar and his ilk have encouraged. Shame that logic and reason are becoming a lost art in comics.
Logic and reason are doing just fine.

[Cayman]

Fabian's style seems to be ....have good selling work that isn't explosively selling huge. Get no praise or promotion from Marvel for years. Get booted from titles (Thunderbolts) for a "name" guy and watch the promotion grow.

Well, Ellis gives Marvel a product worth promoting.

[kate-pryde]

Its funny in a way. To watch them go to levels to ruin a series to relaunch one an editor likes. Its gonna be fun to watch people pick up the 1st issue and then watch the series slide down fast . We all should check back in a year or 2 and see the book's sales and wonder what Alonso will say if he has to pull the plug on it.

After the disasters with Tischman's Cable then Soldier X, no one at Marvel acknowledged the huge mistake it was to fire Weinberg. They blames it on Cable being a continuity mess and not a viable character. :(

Once the new Cable series tanks, I don't see anyone ever acknowledging how stupid it is to cancel Cable & Deadpool. They'll just keep saying that Cable sucks and retool him again. :(

Fabian has done such an excellent job with Cable & Deadpool, and there was such potential for it to keep selling in the 40k-50k range had it not been jerked around so much. But once again it's the same old problem of outsiders coming in and try to fix something that isn't broken.

[frog]

I'll definitely be looking at X-Force because I like the writers. I only intermittently kept up with Cable and that was mostly due to Deadpool, so I don't know about that one.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Logic and reason are doing just fine.

I look at things like 'Civil War' and see otherwise. 'Authority' story telling, with the illusion of change and relevence, are what's in now.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'm just curious, but why did they reveal the X-Force writers in an interview about Cable?

[Christopher O]

I look at things like 'Civil War' and see otherwise. 'Authority' story telling, with the illusion of change and relevence, are what's in now.
No, stories that aren't restricted by continuity and the slavish desires of overly zealous fans are in, but let's not stray from the topic.

[The Cool Thatguy]

No, stories that aren't restricted by continuity and the slavish desires of overly zealous fans are in, but let's not stray from the topic.

Then don't try to misrepresent my point then hide behind the rules, eh? ;)

Cable and Deadpool exploited continuity, it wasn't in any way restricted by it. There's a difference.

[Christopher O]

Then don't try to misrepresent my point then hide behind the rules, eh? ;)
I'm not hiding behind the rules. This thread isn't appropriate for a Civil War debate. Also, I don't think I'm misrepresenting anything. I feel like I'm right on the mark.

[Jmd211]

I'm just curious, but why did they reveal the X-Force writers in an interview about Cable?

I think Wizard slipped it by accident, i bet Marvel didn't want to announce the new team in another book interview. Wait until a convention to announce it.

[RoguishGurl]

I'm out!!! Bye!!

[Anna]

Anything you'd like to share Mr. Yost?

[EnDwiGast]

I don't know why they'd think a book with just Cable by himself would sell better than one with both Cable AND Deadpool, either. It has nothing to do with the writers -- Fabian wrote both characters wonderfully. It just seems odd to me that they think Cable's going to sell much better with a solo book... if fans wanted to read Cable, they would've read Cable & Deadpool, but we all know how well that did in sales.

I can't wait for Cable to come out. But i want you to know that it isn't said out of disrespect towards Deadpool and Cable & Deadpool fans.

As a fellow comics fan, I respect and admire your enthusiasm for Deadpool and the Deadpool style of humor. However, it has never been a style of humor that appealed to me.

Now that I know there will be a Cable series that will hopefully be more action/adventure oriented and recapture more of the sense of mystery Cable had around him in his early years - i am also hoping that Marvel plans to launch a Deadpool ongoing for you.

I believe that judging from recent covers, Deadpool's current guest star selection hopes to give different groups of fans a taste of what he is all about. I have a feeling that is being done to help pave the way for a new Deadpool series.

[frog]

I bet Wizard did reveal the X-Force writers by mistake as speculated, considering there's probably more interest in X-Force than a solo Cable title.

Ooops.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I bet Wizard did reveal the X-Force writers by mistake as speculated, considering there's probably more interest in X-Force than a solo Cable title.

Ooops.

I'm kinda curious how Wizard knew. I'm kinda surprised by the implication that they might have investigated the question.

[Blade X]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006204356.cfm

X-Force: Chris Yost and Craig Kyle

Wizard kind of revealed that Yost and Kyle were writing X-Force. Does that mean that New X-Men are going to be cancelled or are they doing 2 X Books? :eek:

Looks like my prediction (which I made in another thread this forum) about who the writers of the new X-FORCE book were going to be was dead on. I will also say that tit is a very safe bet that NEW X-MEN will be canceled and/or relaunched/retitled NEW MUTANTS. The current Marvel regime is so damn predictable.

[Blade X]

I'm sure others will as well. I'm avioding it since I never really digged the character to be honest.

I agree.

I predict the new CABLE series will be canceled within 6-18 issues, depending on the number of gimmicks (variant covers and crossover tie in issues) Marvel will use to artificially increase sales on this series.

[chickrockguitar]

Yea... kinda thought C&C would be on X-Force.

I'd like them to stay on NXM, but I doubt it will happen. I'm not even sure it'll be around. Which will REALLY p**s me off cos its my fave book. Unless they re-launch it. The X-kids NEED a book to themselves. I don't want them to re-launch again... but I'd much rather that then it being taken away all together.

[Hi-Fi]

LOL at Wizard's reveal by mistake.

But yeah, I kinda figured Chris and Craig would write X-Force, since X-23 is in it. And I love it!

Cable: er, I was more interested before this interview.

[EnDwiGast]

The Cable revamp doesn't sound too promising. Instead of being a big part of the X-men Universe, it's starting to sound more like he'll be in a different time period altogether. Frankly I'm a bit disappointed, but hopefully I'm wrong in drawing that conclusion.

I am psyched about Kyle and Yost on X-Force, though. That book is going to be all kinds of awesome!

I actually (maybe not that surprising) have a different take on this.

For all the jabs at Cable taken in this thread, few characters can claim to have had a series reach the 100 issue mark.

I think for any character to hope to be a lasting solo character they need to exist on their own two feet and grow beyond their parent title. Cable needs to expand beyond the X-men universe just as Wolverine had to so he could achieve the place he has today (a character with a perennial solo spot).

It seems like a win-win to me. If Cable is more of an at large character, then those who don't care for him and are X-Universe fans won't have to read about him as much. Those who do care for him get to follow him in an ongoing somewhere.

If he does exist in another time period or reality, then he could be grouped with classic series like Guardians of the Galaxy, Exiles, Micronauts, Magnus Robot Fighter and Warlord - just to name a few. Personally, I would love to see Cable become a solid sci fi series in the tradition of Magnus Robot Fighter. He can do that and maintain his X-universe roots, just as Magnus did with Harbinger.

[EnDwiGast]

Well, as you know, I have no objection to a more soldier-like Cable (in fact I welcome that approach). My problem is with the whole time-travel aspect, as it places him on the fringes of the X-books (perhaps even beyond that if he's displaced in time). They tried that approach with Bishop awhile back, and it didn't work for him then. It won't work for Nate now.

The best thing they could do to make Cable popular again would be to have him front and center in the X-verse, perhaps leading a core X-men team like the Astonishing squad.

This book will still sell better than Cable/Deadpool IMO, but probably just due to Olivetti's artwork. However it likely won't sell a whole hell of a lot better.

X-Force, on the other hand, is going to sell just fine.:D

By the way, I'd be equally glad to see this take too.

[CaptainCanada]

Fabian has done such an excellent job with Cable & Deadpool, and there was such potential for it to keep selling in the 40k-50k range had it not been jerked around so much.
Er, not really. Series that got a boost from CW tie-ins pretty much uniformly returned to their previous levels over time, barring some other major change (new creative team or big new direction by the current staff spinning out of CW).

C & C on X-Force means I'll need to consider buying it. Damn, I buy enough books.

No interest in Cable, but that's always been the case.
Anything you'd like to share Mr. Yost?
That never works. You have to say his name three times to have a chance:

Yost, Yost, Yost.

[CmX]

I'm not a big Cable fan, but I'm going to try out the new series.

[NickThompson]

Much as I loved Cable & Deadpool it had 50 issues and a few tie-ins which bumped sales for that period, and yet it still ended up hovering over the cancellation line. I'm not suprised they are going for something new. End of the day I wouldn't be suprised if Cable sold better than C&D for at least 15 or so issues, which would make the new book a success if we are to compare it to C&D.

Gutted that we lose C&D, but I can't say I blame them. Fingers crossed that the next place Deadpool lands is awesome and that the Cable new book is awesome.

[jarrod]

Well, X-Force is a def buy now.

And I'm worried about NXM. :(

[kate-pryde]

Er, not really. Series that got a boost from CW tie-ins pretty much uniformly returned to their previous levels over time, barring some other major change (new creative team or big new direction by the current staff spinning out of CW).

But the problem is that Marvel failed to capitalize on the attention that Cable received in Civil War.

Burnt Offerings is many people's favorite arc. Cable's role in Civil War provided an interesting direction for the character.

But instead of going with that and trying to keep some of the new readership from the Civil War crossover, Cable disappeared from C&DP and it went back to it's wacky self.

It doesn't seem like this new direction for Cable is in anyway related to what people dug about Messiah Cable in Burnt Offerings or Civil War. It seems like another Soldier X.

When Alonso said in October 2006 his goal was a Cable title, ignoring the fact that Cable already has a title, it didn't seem like Alonso ever considered trying to save Cable & Deadpool. The last year has been filler waiting for it to be canceled.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yea... kinda thought C&C would be on X-Force.

I'd like them to stay on NXM, but I doubt it will happen. I'm not even sure it'll be around. Which will REALLY p**s me off cos its my fave book. Unless they re-launch it. The X-kids NEED a book to themselves. I don't want them to re-launch again... but I'd much rather that then it being taken away all together.

I really hope they let them write both. Or give NXM to Chuck Austen and let him do the soap opera type stuff he loves to do . I want Jullian and the others to stick around.

[Faded]

I think X-Force seems tailor-made for Yost, so that's cool. I wonder if rising star WOLF CUB will join as well. And it just occured to me just now, other than not being a tracker/wolf girl-thingy, Dani Moonstar would make a great X-Forcer. Again.

I really hope Carey writes New X-Men. Everytime the kids appeared in X-Men, I felt a tingle and it felt damn good.

[jarrod]

I think NXM is following C&D, NEX, Exiles and X-Men into obvlivion. The kids may get integrated into other books though, and I bet we see the Selene subplot continue in X-Force.

[podmark]

Even with Yost and Kyle my interest in X-Force is low, I just don't have much interest in any of the apparent team members. We'll see though.

I'm extremely disappointed that the Cable series appears to be taking place in another time period but it's too early to make any real impression. I just don't know enough about whats going on.

My opinion of Cable and Deadpool varyied wildly throughout the books run but overall I liked it. I loved Fabian's take on Cable but I never felt he properly integrated the two title characters. A lot of times it felt like I was reading two completely different books that came out every other month. I can see the new Cable series easily appealing to a different kind of fan, but I really wish they'd given Fabian his own Deadpool or Agency X title.

I have complete faith that some form of New X-Men will continue. It might relaunch, it might have new writers, but the title and characters has been very successful for Marvel so I can't see it coming to a complete end. I do think a relaunch is highly likely due to the confusing title.

[Faded]

I think NXM is following C&D, NEX, Exiles and X-Men into obvlivion. The kids may get integrated into other books though, and I bet we see the Selene subplot continue in X-Force.

I wouldn't worry, to be honest. I'm expecting a new writer, perhaps a new title, but not like..."25 NEW X-MEN KIDS ARE KILLED WHEN THEY BOARD AN EXPLOSIVE RIDDEN GREYHOUND. Whatever is Loa and X-23 to do?"

However, I hope to Mother Muñoz that it won't be relaunched as New Mutants again, as someone suggested. Get on something original!

[jarrod]

I wouldn't worry, to be honest. I'm expecting a new writer, perhaps a new title, but not like..."25 NEW X-MEN KIDS ARE KILLED WHEN THEY BOARD AN EXPLOSIVE RIDDEN GREYHOUND. Whatever is Loa and X-23 to do?"

However, I hope to Mother Muñoz that it won't be relaunched as New Mutants again, as someone suggested. Get on something original!
I think there's a possibility we may not have a dedicated student team, and the kids are just students again (with maybe a select few among the older kids "graduating" to different X-teams). Ellis did say something about following Morrison's model I thought... maybe it's going to be teachers and students in Astonishing?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think NXM is following C&D, NEX, Exiles and X-Men into obvlivion. The kids may get integrated into other books though, and I bet we see the Selene subplot continue in X-Force.

New Excalibur is having Paul C. come on as writer isn't he ? Plus Marvel's not really gave us anything to say New X-Men is ending. The whole promotion of "Return of Magik" seemed to work as did the lead in to Mesiah Complex as sales have picked up.

I can't see them revamping or ending a 40,000+ selling X-Book featuring basically new characters and X-23.

[jarrod]

New Excalibur is having Paul C. come on as writer isn't he ?
It's getting a relaunch actually (as just "Excalibur").

But yeah, we're getting nearly as many new books as cancelations (Excalibur, New Exiles, X-Force, Cable)... I guess I could see the "New Mutants" relaunch idea. Though honestly, I think in a way, X-Force may already be that relaunch...


I can't see them revamping or ending a 40,000+ selling X-Book featuring basically new characters and X-23.
Meh, they're canceling an X-Men book selling 80,000+ that featured mostly B-tier members and ex-villians. They'll do whatever they want to, the cancellations aren't just about sales but reconfiguring the line as a whole.

[Faded]

I think there's a possibility we may not have a dedicated student team, and the kids are just students again (with maybe a select few among the older kids "graduating" to different X-teams). Ellis did say something about following Morrison's model I thought... maybe it's going to be teachers and students in Astonishing?

That can't be the worst thing in the world, then, huh?

I mean as long as they're not disappearing off the face of the planet, I'm not worried.

[EnDwiGast]

I know this thread leans more towards the new writers of X-Force even though that was a minor part of the article. No problem wit that, I'm curious to see wht the plan is there.

But having been inspired to take another look at the article, these parts really stand out to me:

SWIERCZYNSKI: I’m approaching Cable like a novel, and I’ve been approaching it in a similar way. You start with a situation and characters, and from that flows the plot. We do have an idea of where the story will end up, but so much of the fun will be forging our way there.

That to me is huge. I think there are plenty of plot driven titles on the market. On the other hand, this is clearly intended to be a character driven book - by a respected novelist. Its encouraging to see Marvel put out more series with an approach like this, even if it wasn't Cable.

SWIERCZYNSKI:And man, what a long, strange trip Cable’s going to have. The new series will be part spaghetti Western, part science fiction thriller, part samurai epic—come to think of it, precisely the kind of crazy stuff I was watching on TV in the 1970s when I wasn’t reading comic books.

Its hard to gauge the specific belnd of elements he's come up with until the issues actually arrive in stores, but it sounds unique enough to provide something that isn't out there right now.

So the more I read, and the more carefully I read it, the more I'm looking forward to this.

Again, i am convinced that when all is said and done Deadpool and his fans won't be short-changed. Something that i believe fuels a good amount of the current cynicism.

[kate-pryde]

The problem with canceling New X-Men for X-Force (or Cable & Deadpool for Cable) is that they absolutely don't appeal to the same audience.

New X-Men is the teen title, focusing on the kids and their relationships. If X-Force is the Lupine Avengers, I don't see them arguing over who's the youngest or who kissed who.

Teens may read the new X-Force, but it's not specifically targeting the teen market, and it's especially not targeted to the teenage girl market which New X-Men certainly is more targeted to.

X-Force could potential replace X-Men as the continuity driven book with Yost writing it. But with that roster, it seems more like the non-continuity ultra-violent book targeting Wolverine fans who hate X-books.

[EnDwiGast]

The problem with canceling New X-Men for X-Force (or Cable & Deadpool for Cable) is that they absolutely don't appeal to the same audience.

New X-Men is the teen title, focusing on the kids and their relationships. If X-Force is the Lupine Avengers, I don't see them arguing over who's the youngest or who kissed who.

Teens may read the new X-Force, but it's not specifically targeting the teen market, and it's especially not targeted to the teenage girl market which New X-Men certainly is more targeted to.

X-Force could potential replace X-Men as the continuity driven book with Yost writing it. But with that roster, it seems more like the non-continuity ultra-violent book targeting Wolverine fans who hate X-books.

Isn't it possible that New X-Men will not be cancelled?

I agree that fans of both books are not served by replacement. However, if its just the writers changing to a new series and maybe taking one of their favorite characters with them while a new team takes over New X-Men and Cable and Deadpool both end up with their own books - wouldn't more people be better off when all is said and done?

[xmanson]

Not gonna read any of them. Meh.

[jarrod]

That can't be the worst thing in the world, then, huh?

I mean as long as they're not disappearing off the face of the planet, I'm not worried.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind it honestly, Ellis is pretty adept at handling larger casts too (his Excalibur had 12 regulars at it's height). Granted, I'd like a book where the kids got more face time each, but I think we'll probably be down a few kids after MX ends too. :(


The problem with canceling New X-Men for X-Force (or Cable & Deadpool for Cable) is that they absolutely don't appeal to the same audience.
I agree generally, though that never stopped X-verse relaunches before (X-Force, X-Statix, Soldier X, Genosha Excalibur, Mutant X, etc).


New X-Men is the teen title, focusing on the kids and their relationships. If X-Force is the Lupine Avengers, I don't see them arguing over who's the youngest or who kissed who.

Teens may read the new X-Force, but it's not specifically targeting the teen market, and it's especially not targeted to the teenage girl market which New X-Men certainly is more targeted to.
Eh, I'm not sure NXM is really that *teen* book anymore though either... Marvel's got that market covered well enough with First Class anyway.

X-Force isn't a perfect fit either mind, but I can definitely see sensibilities and plots carrying over from NXM (which is frankly a pretty gritty book these days). There is some level of redundancy here I think, even if this time it's not literally the kids striking out on their own like the original X-Force (though even that was arguable then given only Sam and Tab were really left over from the New Mutants). I honestly wouldn't be shocked if another one of the kids (Hellion maybe?) ended up on X-Force either.


X-Force could potential replace X-Men as the continuity driven book with Yost writing it. But with that roster, it seems more like the non-continuity ultra-violent book targeting Wolverine fans who hate X-books.
I think we'll need to wait for more information before we can really judge what X-Force is all about... but with the redundancy concerns and focus on line wide steamlining, I doubt it's going to be just another Wolverine book.

Not that Marvel's above such a stunt or evenhanded with these concerns... drives me crazy that Origins somehow gets a continual pass, despite being wholly needless conceptually, critically panned universally and shedding sales faster than any X-book in recent memory. What exactly does Way have on old Q? :/

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's getting a relaunch actually (as just "Excalibur").

But yeah, we're getting nearly as many new books as cancelations (Excalibur, New Exiles, X-Force, Cable)... I guess I could see the "New Mutants" relaunch idea. Though honestly, I think in a way, X-Force may already be that relaunch...



Meh, they're canceling an X-Men book selling 80,000+ that featured mostly B-tier members and ex-villians. They'll do whatever they want to, the cancellations aren't just about sales but reconfiguring the line as a whole.

To be honest X-Men as a name seems pretty funny to have with books like : New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men. Plus factor in that you have Cannonball who was a X-Force member and I can see them making this team the revamped X-Force.

[ClanAskani]

Duane Who? Not exactly an exciting announcement. I was hoping Jeph Loeb would be writing the new Cable.

If the new Cable series is set in the future, what I don't understand why a crime writer who's barely written any comics is being brought in?

Cable's not exactly an easy character to write. Bringing in Bob Weinberg, a respected science fiction writer, to sift through Cable's continuity made a lot of sense since he understood what worked and didn't work in science fiction.

I'm not sure how a crime writer writing a very sci-fi time traveling character will turn out... Perhaps he can make it work, but it certainly doesn't distill a lot of confidence in me that this is anything I would be interesting in reading even if I'm a Cable fan.


Chris Yost & Craig Kyle on X-Force makes me at least want to check out the first issue. But I hope New X-Men isn't being cancelled and being replaced with it, at least with the lineup in that promo art.

[Joe Franklin]

X-Force could potential replace X-Men as the continuity driven book with Yost writing it. But with that roster, it seems more like the non-continuity ultra-violent book targeting Wolverine fans who hate X-books.

I don't hate X-books(love em), but I do love ultra-violent Wolverine centered X-books. Now if only my fave Sabretooth were still alive to be on this team.:(

[rwsmith]

X-Force could potential replace X-Men as the continuity driven book with Yost writing it. But with that roster, it seems more like the non-continuity ultra-violent book targeting Wolverine fans who hate X-books.

Oh, that would explain why I've been reading X-books (many of which don't have Wolverine in them) for about 15 years now. Makes tons of sense.:rolleyes:

[Fatguy]

Looking forward to both of these. Love Yost and Kyle on X-Force.

Havent read any of the Cable writer's novels or heard of him before, but I liked him in the interview. Seems like a cool guy.

[Dagger]

That must mean... Carey is writing a Magneto & The Acolytes series!!!
Oh, how I would love this!

[Omega Alpha]

Duane Who? Not exactly an exciting announcement. I was hoping Jeph Loeb would be writing the new Cable.


If Loeb was on this, I would prefer to have my eyes working as well as Blindfold's than reading it.

[justin gilchrist]

X-Force might be OK, but I've never liked New X-Men and it's going to take a lot to sell me on that group of characters.

Does Cable deserve his own book again?

I'd prefer a back to the basics approach with Cable where he does something like reforms X-Force. A new X-Force with Cable, Warpath, Domino, Wolfsbane, and maybe Husk, Sunspot and Moonstar would be awesome.

I don't get these new approaches to Cable where he does bizarre stuff. Keeping it simple with Cable and an X-team would be a better use for him.

[Deadpooligan]

CABLE & DEADPOOL FANS, UNITE!

We boycott this Cable book! Let Marvel and Alex Alonso know that you can't give veteran X-writer Fabian Nicieza and the lovable Deadpool the kick to the curb! We fans won't take it lightly!

The world will know that free fanbase stood against an evil editor, that few stood against hype, and before this boycott is over, that even a B-List hero of questionable intent can score an ongoing!

Who's with me?!

[matthewaos]

ok, who is DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI? Anyone know what he has written previously?

[jarrod]

Duane Who? Not exactly an exciting announcement.
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt actually... Weinberg was a similarly unfamiliar name from a different field and that turned out great (while it lasted).

[kate-pryde]

CABLE & DEADPOOL FANS, UNITE!

We boycott this Cable book! Let Marvel and Alex Alonso know that you can't give veteran X-writer Fabian Nicieza and the lovable Deadpool the kick to the curb! We fans won't take it lightly!

The world will know that free fanbase stood against an evil editor, that few stood against hype, and before this boycott is over, that even a B-List hero of questionable intent can score an ongoing!

Who's with me?!

I'm with you.

But I doubt it works.

But anyone remember the whole Save Weinberg debacle in 2001?

Weinberg told fans he had been fired from Cable. Fans rallied around him, the Save Weinberg Campaign ensued with a boycott and large letter writing campaign. A couple days later, Quesada was asked about Cable and he said the creative team wouldn't change. Fans celebrate, thinking the campaign worked and Weinberg had been saved. (But Weinberg said it wasn't true, he was still fired). A couple weeks later, the new Cable creative team was announced, and no one called Quesada on being a lying SOB. But I'm sure everyone at Marvel had a big laugh at how he got fans to shut-up by lying to them.

(And I still feel guilty buying Cable & Deadpool after I told Mr. Weinberg I'd never buy a Cable comic without him writing it).

When it comes to Cable, I don't think Marvel even cares about what the readers of Cable & Deadpool think or if they're going to buy the new Cable book. Every one of these reboots of Cable are designed to make Cable appeal to the fanboys on the Bendis Board, not X-fans. X-fans boycotting would be a sign that the reboot worked.

[FabianNicieza]

CABLE & DEADPOOL FANS, UNITE!

We boycott this Cable book! Let Marvel and Alex Alonso know that you can't give veteran X-writer Fabian Nicieza and the lovable Deadpool the kick to the curb! We fans won't take it lightly!

The world will know that free fanbase stood against an evil editor, that few stood against hype, and before this boycott is over, that even a B-List hero of questionable intent can score an ongoing!

Who's with me?!

I'm not. :-)

I would sincerely prefer my name be kept out of any such discussion.

Whether you buy a new Cable book or not should be based solely on your interest (or lack thereof) in the title.

Though I appreciate the general sentiment, trust me, I don't need anyone weeping any tears or playing any small violins for me.

-- fabian

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm not. :-)

I would sincerely prefer my name be kept out of any such discussion.

Whether you buy a new Cable book or not should be based solely on your interest (or lack thereof) in the title.

Though I appreciate the general sentiment, trust me, I don't need anyone weeping any tears or playing any small violins for me.

-- fabian

I like this post. It just feels sad you got to 50 issues and they pulled the plug . You should get 1st crack at a solo Deadpool ongoing I'd think. Would you do a solo Deadpool series ?

[Deadpooligan]

Though I appreciate the general sentiment, trust me, I don't need anyone weeping any tears or playing any small violins for me.

-- fabian

Really? I promise I'll start buying Nightwiiiiiiiing...

Fabian, you wrote Cable in his best moments (you actually made me care about the guy and his mission), and you're definitely writing my favorite Deadpool ever (even if the character himself prefers Mr. Kelly and Mrs. Simone).

It's just... we Deadpool fans... or Deadfans... Deadheads? Oh, that's a good one. We Deadheads are really getting the short end of the stick with editorial breaks... the first ongoing's switch to Agent X, Gail being pressured out of that book, C&DP not getting plugged as a tie-in to the events of the parallel X-Men arc, and now the cancellation.

I mean, with this arc you're writing in C&DP right now (favorite after Burnt Offering, by the by) I can't help but shake the feeling this is going to end in one big swansong for Deadpool...

[pariah-1972]

i'm frankly surprised that Cable and deadpool has stayed together for so long considering what an odd couple they are.
I really like the book its one of the few consistent X-books around.
and for the life of me i can't figure out why it's not selling like it is:confused: Fabian took what was for me (Cable) a truly boring and dull as dishwater character and made him more than a walking Guns and Ammo cliche.
it had great cross overs with Civil War and it had some great guest stars,
if this book would have been made in the 80s it would be selling like hotcakes.

[steve2275]

just dont kill deadpool
and we shall call it even :p :cool:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm with you.

But I doubt it works.

But anyone remember the whole Save Weinberg debacle in 2001?

Weinberg told fans he had been fired from Cable. Fans rallied around him, the Save Weinberg Campaign ensued with a boycott and large letter writing campaign. A couple days later, Quesada was asked about Cable and he said the creative team wouldn't change. Fans celebrate, thinking the campaign worked and Weinberg had been saved. (But Weinberg said it wasn't true, he was still fired). A couple weeks later, the new Cable creative team was announced, and no one called Quesada on being a lying SOB. But I'm sure everyone at Marvel had a big laugh at how he got fans to shut-up by lying to them.

(And I still feel guilty buying Cable & Deadpool after I told Mr. Weinberg I'd never buy a Cable comic without him writing it).

When it comes to Cable, I don't think Marvel even cares about what the readers of Cable & Deadpool think or if they're going to buy the new Cable book. Every one of these reboots of Cable are designed to make Cable appeal to the fanboys on the Bendis Board, not X-fans. X-fans boycotting would be a sign that the reboot worked.


Marvel tried this trick 2 to 3 years later with Mark Waid and Ringo on FF to be honest. It failed once fans went ape shit and overdid the server. Its wrong for Marvel to jerk its good writers around but I can see why Fabian (is he the new writer on Nightwing... really?) would go to DC.

Waid had enough and went to DC. So did Morrison and Simone. You treat your talent like sh-t they will not write for you.

[Cayman]

Marvel tried this trick 2 to 3 years later with Mark Waid and Ringo on FF to be honest. It failed once fans went ape shit and overdid the server. Its wrong for Marvel to jerk its good writers around but I can see why Fabian (is he the new writer on Nightwing... really?) would go to DC.

Waid had enough and went to DC. So did Morrison and Simone. You treat your talent like sh-t they will not write for you.

Peter Tomasi is the new writer on Nightwing. Nicieza is just doing two issues during the Ra's Al Ghul crossover.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Peter Tomasi is the new writer on Nightwing. Nicieza is just doing two issues during the Ra's Al Ghul crossover.

Maybe DC will be wise and let him do the new Titans spinoff book.

[Don Quixote]

I'm sorry, but not even Kyle & Yost can get me interested in X-Force. Wolverine? No thanks. Warpath and Wolfsbane? Couldn't care less. Caliban and Hepzibah? Wake me up when they're dead.

So this seems to imply that New X-Men might be done for as well? Way to kill any interest I still have in the X-verse, Marvel. This revamp sure is a doozy.

At least there's still X-Factor, though. Not that I really class it as an X-book.

As for Cable, well that's not even going to register on my radar, so I really don't care what's going on there.

[Pach!]

Where does it say New X-men is over?

[jarrod]

I'm sorry, but not even Kyle & Yost can get me interested in X-Force. Wolverine? No thanks. Warpath and Wolfsbane? Couldn't care less. Caliban and Hepzibah? Wake me up when they're dead.

So this seems to imply that New X-Men might be done for as well? Way to kill any interest I still have in the X-verse, Marvel. This revamp sure is a doozy.

At least there's still X-Factor, though. Not that I really class it as an X-book.

As for Cable, well that's not even going to register on my radar, so I really don't care what's going on there.
Pick up Cornell's Excalibur relaunch. Srsly!

[Don Quixote]

Pick up Cornell's Excalibur relaunch. Srsly!

Depends which characters are involved really. You can have the best writer in the world, and the most talented artist around, but if you're just going to populate your book with the likes of Wolverine and Warpath or, in Excalibur's case, Dazzler, Juggernaut and Nocturne, then I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

[jarrod]

Depends which characters are involved really. You can have the best writer in the world, and the most talented artist around, but if you're just going to populate your book with the likes of Wolverine and Warpath or, in Excalibur's case, Dazzler, Juggernaut and Nocturne, then I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
well, those 3 are out... all we know so far is Wisdom and maybe CB.

Pick up his Wisdom mini though for a good odea of what his Excalibur's likely to turn out like...

[dreyson]

I'll check out X-Force, but pass on Cable.

I agree that Cable would be better in X-Force. Then they would have a reason to call themselves that.

X-Force was one of my favorites when i was younger, and it pisses me off when an old title is put on a new book that has nothing to do with the old one.

[GoingGreen]

I'll check out X-Force, but pass on Cable.

I agree that Cable would be better in X-Force. Then they would have a reason to call themselves that.

X-Force was one of my favorites when i was younger, and it pisses me off when an old title is put on a new book that has nothing to do with the old one.

TESTIFY!!!

[Faded]

I'll check out X-Force, but pass on Cable.

I agree that Cable would be better in X-Force. Then they would have a reason to call themselves that.

X-Force was one of my favorites when i was younger, and it pisses me off when an old title is put on a new book that has nothing to do with the old one.

I think if there's a connection via mission statement it'll be alright.

I guess I really don't care about recognizability--whether it be Alpha Flight, New Warriors, or the Avengers--just as long as there is some kind of link between the different incarnations.

[Bic]

I'm not. :-)

I would sincerely prefer my name be kept out of any such discussion.

Whether you buy a new Cable book or not should be based solely on your interest (or lack thereof) in the title.

Though I appreciate the general sentiment, trust me, I don't need anyone weeping any tears or playing any small violins for me.

-- fabian
Awww, and here we were ready to spill blood in your name and everything. Still, I'm glad to hear that you're bouncing back from this more quickly than some of us C&D fans are.

[Blade X]

CABLE & DEADPOOL FANS, UNITE!

We boycott this Cable book! Let Marvel and Alex Alonso know that you can't give veteran X-writer Fabian Nicieza and the lovable Deadpool the kick to the curb! We fans won't take it lightly!

The world will know that free fanbase stood against an evil editor, that few stood against hype, and before this boycott is over, that even a B-List hero of questionable intent can score an ongoing!

Who's with me?!

I'm down with you.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'm down with you.

Me too, if only by default. Fabe's the only Cable writer for me

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Awww, and here we were ready to spill blood in your name and everything. Still, I'm glad to hear that you're bouncing back from this more quickly than some of us C&D fans are.

The blood of the guilty must pour ! :p

[Blade X]

When it comes to Cable, I don't think Marvel even cares about what the readers of Cable & Deadpool think or if they're going to buy the new Cable book. Every one of these reboots of Cable are designed to make Cable appeal to the fanboys on the Bendis Board, not X-fans. X-fans boycotting would be a sign that the reboot worked.

The reboot would only work if the book sells well. After Weinberg was unfairly fired from CABLE, the book was canceled (I think) about a year and a half later. Shortly after that, Cable was relaunched as SOLDIER X which sold even worse and was canceled after a year. So it was really the fans who had the last laugh, not Quesada and the Marvel editors.

[Blade X]

I'm not. :-)

I would sincerely prefer my name be kept out of any such discussion.

Whether you buy a new Cable book or not should be based solely on your interest (or lack thereof) in the title.

Though I appreciate the general sentiment, trust me, I don't need anyone weeping any tears or playing any small violins for me.

-- fabian

My respect for you has just grown by a factor of 100. You are a true professional Fabian.

BTW, I'm currently reading THE 99 and I'm enjoying it. Keep up the GREAT work.

[Blade X]

If the new Cable series is set in the future, what I don't understand why a crime writer who's barely written any comics is being brought in?

Because Marvel thinks that by hiring a CELEBRITY writer alone (regardless if he is a good fit for the book or not) is more then enough to sell any book. Of course as the top 300 sales chart has shown us recently, this gimmick DOES NOT work most of the time.

[Cayman]

Duane's novel "The Blonde" has several science-fiction elements.

[kate-pryde]

Because Marvel thinks that by hiring a CELEBRITY writer alone (regardless if he is a good fit for the book or not) is more then enough to sell any book. Of course as the top 300 sales chart has shown us recently, this gimmick DOES NOT work most of the time.

I wouldn't exactly call Duane Swierczynski a celebrity writer. He may have a certain following for his books, but they're not exactly top sellers.

He's not exactly in the same league as say Stephen King or Orson Scott Card, who have loyal followings who will read their comics.

[Cayman]

I wouldn't exactly call Duane Swierczynski a celebrity writer. He may have a certain following for his books, but they're not exactly top sellers.

He's not exactly in the same league as say Stephen King or Orson Scott Card, who have loyal followings who will read their comics.

So he'll just have to prove himself with his writing, like any other comic writer.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Fingers crossed that the next place Deadpool lands is awesome.

OMG OMG OMG!!!! What if the new X-Factor member is Deadpool!! PAD is one of the few writers who has the humor capabilities for a character like Deadpool. We already know that the new X-Factor member is a guy, so I for one am keeping my fingers crossed.

I think New X-men is going to get a new writer. Or maybe a re-launch (again).

If its not Carey, Sean McKeever, or Brian K. Vaughn or Chuck Austen, then I'm done with it. As much as I love the characters, now that Scottie Young will no longer be on the title, I don't have enough incentive to stay. It'll prolly be very sad watching characters I love butchered.

Bah, if Nicieza couldn't attract an audience with the almost 50 issues they gave him, he probably was never going to.

I bought one issue of Deadpool (the one where he fights Task Master to get his reputation back as an assasin) and the Deadpool, GLI: Summer Special in a bargin big for a buck each: I'm mad :mad: if this is what each issue of the title is like, I'm mad I haven't been on this train for the past couple of years. I mean, THIS is the title that I was hoping the current X-Factor title would be. I haven't laughed that hard since Guido, Jamie and their crew were goofing around back in the 90's. At least I have 49 back issues to collect.

[EnDwiGast]

So he'll just have to prove himself with his writing, like any other comic writer.

As someone looking forward to the new Cable ongoing I am intrigued by Duane Swierczynski coming on board. This is not meant as a slight against Fabien Nicieza as i have enjoyed his writing over the years and plan on continuing to do so.

I don't consider Duane Swierczynski to be a celebrity writer necessarily, but as i posted about earlier, its his approach to storytelling that has me the most interested. Its easier to cross genres with a character driven approach than a plot driven approach.

I can understand Deadpool fans wanting to boycott a new Cable ongoing, even though they are currently able to enjoy what amounts to a solo Deadpool series. Again, hopefully by the time that series ends Marvel will have announced where you can continue folowing the monthly, ongoing adventures of Deadpool.

I am translating the current silence on the issue as Marvel having plans for Deadpool they haven't announced yet, not a sign of having no plans for him.

If those plans include having Deadpool join X-Factor, then I could see myself joining the ranks of those of you who are already fans.

[Maestro]

If Cable is a big success then Marvel would have more reasons to launch another X-book, like a Deadpool title. Boycotting helps no one and there's no way Marvel could see that as a demand for anything.

The marketing guy from Marvel posts on the Bendis board and has said that "Deadpool's future is bright". Take that as you will.

[Cayman]

The marketing guy from Marvel posts on the Bendis board and has said that "Deadpool's future is bright". Take that as you will.

Sentry is throwing him into the sun.

[kate-pryde]

So he'll just have to prove himself with his writing, like any other comic writer.

But why not give the series to someone like Chris Gage who has worked his way up writing various mini-series and has developed a reputation for good comic writing?

Don't usually writers start off with a few mini-series before getting an ongoing?

Or is that the whole point? Bringing in someone who would hate Cable's backstory to re-invision him rather than a writer familiar with Cable and X-books in general?

[Cayman]

But why not give the series to someone like Chris Gage who has worked his way up writing various mini-series and has developed a reputation for good comic writing?

Don't usually writers start off with a few mini-series before getting an ongoing?

Not always. Recent examples would include Grevioux, Huston, Hudlin, and Heinberg.

[rwsmith]

The marketing guy from Marvel posts on the Bendis board and has said that "Deadpool's future is bright". Take that as you will.

He posts under "Jim@Marvel," and he also told me that Cable's book definitely ties into the other X-books and is very important to the franchise overall. In other words, he will not be marginalized by being sent off to some alternate time period (or, if he is, at least he will be popping in and out of our time period I guess). Basically he put my fears to rest that Cable would be just a fringe X-men character. Personally I'm still hoping that Nate ends up on Ellis' Astonishing roster.:evilsmile

Another tidbit he threw out there is that Logan's role in the new X-Force series is very different for him, so I'm guessing he has to step up as leader of that group.

[kate-pryde]

He posts under "Jim@Marvel," and he also told me that Cable's book definitely ties into the other X-books and is very important to the franchise overall. In other words, he will not be marginalized by being sent off to some alternate time period (or, if he is, at least he will be popping in and out of our time period I guess). Basically he put my fears to rest that Cable would be just a fringe X-men character. Personally I'm still hoping that Nate ends up on Ellis' Astonishing roster.:evilsmile


I read what McCann said, but I'm not sure it really confirms or denies that Cable isn't going to be fully part of X-books and not completely removed from it like he was in Tischman's Cable or Soldier X.

It seems like something happens to Cable at the end of Messiah Complex that leads directly into Cable's solo title. My guess is that Cable will have some sort of mission that relates to saving mutantkind.

Back in 94 when Rachel was sent to the Askani future and killed off, the typical response from editors and writers was how Rachel was playing a crucial role in all of the X-books because of her connection to Cable and Stryfe (even though she was dead and not in any of the books).

So I'm not convinced that because they say Cable's going to be important, that means he's going to be hanging out at the Institute. Or even be Nate. Or even be in this timeline.

I'd love to see Nate in Astonishing, but considering how the new regime wants to make each book server a distinct purpose, I'm guessing that also means eliminating the need to read multiple books to understand what's going on. So I doubt we'll have a solo Cable book and Cable on a team.

[pariah-1972]

I think it would be strange to see Cable in Astonishing since he would have to follow Cyclops lead even tho Cable is much older than him and rarely takes orders from anyone.
i actually would love to see them butt heads in a typical father/son way :cool:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Back in 94 when Rachel was sent to the Askani future and killed off, the typical response from editors and writers was how Rachel was playing a crucial role in all of the X-books because of her connection to Cable and Stryfe (even though she was dead and not in any of the books).

Looooved the way you put it, lol. :D

[Maestro]

Here is an interview with Kyle & Yost

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006216120.cfm

[Trey]

He posts under "Jim@Marvel," and he also told me that Cable's book definitely ties into the other X-books and is very important to the franchise overall. In other words, he will not be marginalized by being sent off to some alternate time period (or, if he is, at least he will be popping in and out of our time period I guess). Basically he put my fears to rest that Cable would be just a fringe X-men character. Personally I'm still hoping that Nate ends up on Ellis' Astonishing roster.:evilsmile

Another tidbit he threw out there is that Logan's role in the new X-Force series is very different for him, so I'm guessing he has to step up as leader of that group.

I'd love to see Ellis write Cable.

What's everyones thoughts on Olivetti? I'm not pleased. His Punisher stuff was not to me liking. I'd love to see Zircher or Mike Perkins, heck I bet SKottie Young would kick but on Cable!!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Peter David writing Deadpool. I may have a reason to pick up X-Factor now. Make it happen Marvel.

[Faded]

Peter David writing Deadpool. I may have a reason to pick up X-Factor now. Make it happen Marvel.

Like it being amazing wasn't enough!

[rwsmith]

Here is an interview with Kyle & Yost

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006216120.cfm

The more I read about this book the more psyched I get!

I'm still not 100% sold on Cable, but I'm sure I'll hear enough to make up my mind over the next few months.

[Matthew K.]

Catseye should join the new X-Force.

[Cayman]

Catseye should join the new X-Force.

Hell yes she should.

[Omega Alpha]

Here is an interview with Kyle & Yost

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006216120.cfm

They pretty much confirm what we already know: they will be after the baby and there will be six members, which are very likely to be this four plus Caliban and Hepzibah.

[pariah-1972]

Hell yes she should.How about Wild Child and Sabretooth too? we could just name it the ferals ! and Tigra and Black Panther could make a guest appearance !!

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'm kinda curious what 4 trackers on one team could find that makes them more useful than 1 tracker on four teams. Ain't like modern technology hasn't already given us a million ways to evade the sense of smell.

[Matthew K.]

Hell yes she should.

:)

How about Wild Child and Sabretooth too? we could just name it the ferals ! and Tigra and Black Panther could make a guest appearance !!

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[pariah-1972]

:)



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Don't cry for me argentina i was merely joking !

[rwsmith]

For anyone who's curious, here's what Jim@Marvel had to say about both Cable and X-Force over on the Bendis boards:

Jim@Marvel: My lips are sealed about the plots of both, but yes, Wolverine will be used in a new way, X-Force is unlike anything the X-Men have had before, yet familiar enough to excite you, and Cable IS a book that matters. The biggest difference between now and the 90s is we can't afford to put out crappy solo titles that have nothing to do with the rest of the books in its family, so you won't see a rehash of the Bishop series or anything like that. X-plans are drawn for years to come, and each book has its part and fulfils its role in the overall tapestry of the X-Men family and the Marvel U at large.

Have patience! Sit back and enjoy what's coming out instead of worrying if what's to come will suck. And keep reading!

And he also said the following in response to my question about whether or not Cable will be important to the rest of the X-books, since it sounds like he's being shipped off to another time period:

Jim@Marvel: There's literally been no info about the direction or plot of this actually released, so any speculation is just that. This is a very important book to the X-verse, fear not!

Not sure what this means. Perhaps Cable will be traveling back and forth between different time periods (a la Quantum Leap or something). Can't say I'm really in love with that idea, but with the right writer I suppose it could be interesting. Again, I just hope he's on an X-team, otherwise it will be too easy to ignore his adventures through the timestream in his solo book (if that is indeed what will be happening).

Also, Ed Brubaker popped into the thread and offered his endorsement of Cable's new series (not that that means much to those of you who hate Brubaker's work):

Ed Brubaker: Anyone passing on Cable is going to miss something really cool.

I love Ed's writing, so I'll pick it up on his endorsement alone. Hopefully it's as exciting and different as Marvel keeps claiming it is, but at the same time does matter to the rest of the X-books.

[kate-pryde]

I love Ed's writing, so I'll pick it up on his endorsement alone. Hopefully it's as exciting and different as Marvel keeps claiming it is, but at the same time does matter to the rest of the X-books.

If you recall from the reports from WWLA, Ed was making jokes about Cable, so I'm not sure his endorsement means much much other than confirming that there's been a completely reboot of Cable.

[Blade X]

I'm kinda curious what 4 trackers on one team could find that makes them more useful than 1 tracker on four teams. Ain't like modern technology hasn't already given us a million ways to evade the sense of smell.

It has less to do with them being trackers, and more to do with them being a bunch of bad@$$es with bladed weapons and who are willing to kill. It's about the "genius" Marvel editorial staff getting together and thinking that if a solo book with one bad@$$ character (Wolverine) can sell well, imagine how well a team of bad@$$ characters would sell.

[Pach!]

It has less to do with them being trackers, and more to do with them being a bunch of bad@$$es with bladed weapons and who are willing to kill. It's about the "genius" Marvel editorial staff getting together and thinking that if a solo book with one bad@$$ character (Wolverine) can sell well, imagine how well a team of bad@$$ characters would sell.

Wolfsbane isn't badass.

[Cayman]

Wolfsbane isn't badass.

Except in X-Factor 1.

[EnDwiGast]

If you recall from the reports from WWLA, Ed was making jokes about Cable, so I'm not sure his endorsement means much much other than confirming that there's been a completely reboot of Cable.


There's also the fact that Ed Brubaker was the one who suggested this writer look into writing comic books in the first place..

From the article that started this thread:

How did you end up meeting Ed Brubaker?

SWIERCZYNSKI: I don’t know how to word this without it sounding creepy, but...um, we met online?

Actually I was really loving the first arc of Criminal, so I sent Brubaker an e-mail saying so. As it turns out, he’d just picked up my crime novel, The Wheelman, the week before, so it wasn’t like I was some random psycho from Philly. We started talking hardboiled crime and stuff, and at one point he asked, “Would you ever want to write for comics?” It was very, very hard to contain my fanboy glee.

[Blade X]

For anyone who's curious, here's what Jim@Marvel had to say about both Cable and X-Force over on the Bendis boards:

And he also said the following in response to my question about whether or not Cable will be important to the rest of the X-books, since it sounds like he's being shipped off to another time period:

Not sure what this means. Perhaps Cable will be traveling back and forth between different time periods (a la Quantum Leap or something). Can't say I'm really in love with that idea, but with the right writer I suppose it could be interesting. Again, I just hope he's on an X-team, otherwise it will be too easy to ignore his adventures through the timestream in his solo book (if that is indeed what will be happening).

Also, Ed Brubaker popped into the thread and offered his endorsement of Cable's new series (not that that means much to those of you who hate Brubaker's work):

I love Ed's writing, so I'll pick it up on his endorsement alone. Hopefully it's as exciting and different as Marvel keeps claiming it is, but at the same time does matter to the rest of the X-books.

Anyone with an ounce of gray matter can figure out that the new X-Force mission statement is to do the oh so played out and cliche "dirty jobs" that the regular X-Men can't or wont do. Wolverine is most likely the leader of this team (to match up and coincide with him being the leader of the X-Men in the upcoming WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN cartoon). I predict that this direction for the new X-FORCE book wont last very long, and that the book will eventually be revamped during it's run do to falling sales.

They have to say CABLE is an important book, other wise no one is going to buy it. Despite saying this book is an important X-book, the new CABLE series will NOT sell (except when Marvel employs gimmicks to make it sell), and will be canceled by either issue 12 or 18.

Take Bru's endorsement with a grain of salt.

[Blade X]

Wolfsbane isn't badass.

The writers addressed that in the Wizard interview. I believe that they are going to try and turn her into a bad@$$.

It's a safe bet that Wolfsbane will be both reluctant and disgusted at the sight of her teammates killing the bad guys, and she will eventually be put in a situation where she will have to either choose between killing a bad guy in order to save someone's life or letting an innocent person die. She will most likely choose to kill the bad guy and then spend numerous issues sulking about what she did.

[Blade X]

There's also the fact that Ed Brubaker was the one who suggested this writer look into writing comic books in the first place..

From the article that started this thread:

That's a very good point.

[rwsmith]

Anyone with an ounce of gray matter can figure out that the new X-Force mission statement is to do the oh so played out and cliche "dirty jobs" that the regular X-Men can't or wont do. Wolverine is most likely the leader of this team (to match up and coincide with him being the leader of the X-Men in the upcoming WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN cartoon). I predict that this direction for the new X-FORCE book wont last very long, and that the book will eventually be revamped during it's run do to falling sales.

They have to say CABLE is an important book, other wise no one is going to buy it. Despite saying this book is an important X-book, the new CABLE series will NOT sell (except when Marvel employs gimmicks to make it sell), and will be canceled by either issue 12 or 18.

Take Bru's endorsement with a grain of salt.

You seem to have it all figured out.:rolleyes:

Can't wait to laugh at how wrong you were when X-Force is a sales juggernaut and Cable is actually really good.

[Carencey]

I'll check out the new Cable. I might be good, but that Wizard article doesn't reveal much about the plot. The writer says he's doing alot of research and is into Cable's character, so that's good a good sign IMO.

Ed Brubaker's Uncanny X-Men has been awful, so I hope that isn't an indication for what lies ahead for Cable.

X-Force as the Black Ops team could be cool, but Wolverine as the leader? Hasn't he always shunned a leadership role?

Is Swiercynski writing the last two issues of Cable and Deadpool?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ok now I'm in a bad spot. Brubaker just said its good. He can't possibly be wrong can he ? The man who is sdoing Captain America , Daredevil , Immortal Iron Fist and Uncanny could not be wrong ...can he ?

[kate-pryde]

Ok now I'm in a bad spot. Brubaker just said its good. He can't possibly be wrong can he ? The man who is sdoing Captain America , Daredevil , Immortal Iron Fist and Uncanny could not be wrong ...can he ?

Considering what Brubaker did to Rachel, yes. And now his buddy is going to screw Cable. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Omega Alpha]

Considering what Brubaker did to Rachel, yes. And now his buddy is going to screw Cable. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Despite never reading anything this guy has ever written, nor knowing what the series will focus, or what his plans for the character are, you already know he's going to screw Cable? Wow, we should name you CBR's official Destiny (or Blindfold). At least you'd get to sleep with a hot blue mutant.

[Slyfer]

Despite never reading anything this guy has ever written, nor knowing what the series will focus, or what his plans for the character are, you already know he's going to screw Cable? Wow, we should name you CBR's official Destiny (or Blindfold). At least you'd get to sleep with a hot blue mutant.



ok Ewwwwwwwwww

[Christopher O]

Considering what Brubaker did to Rachel, yes. And now his buddy is going to screw Cable. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
What did he do to Rachel, aside from making her tolerable? If his "buddy" does the same to Cable, then I'm all for it.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Considering what Brubaker did to Rachel, yes. And now his buddy is going to screw Cable. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

What did he do to Rachel, aside from making her tolerable? If his "buddy" does the same to Cable, then I'm all for it.

Who says Rachel is gone ? I don't agree with the love for that dude who looks like Cloud from Final Fantasy. But she is involved in a big storyline in space and could return soon enough.

I don't know...Bru's never written crap ....but his Uncanny is un-even to many. But he's always delievered on a lotta things.

[Fatguy]

The interview does sound a bit like New X-Men is coming to a close. Obviously its speculation, but I do get that impression :(

[Blade X]

You seem to have it all figured out.:rolleyes:

Can't wait to laugh at how wrong you were when X-Force is a sales juggernaut and Cable is actually really good.

I have a feeling I'm the one who's going to be doing the laughing. I'm also going to be the one to tell you "I told you so".

[rwsmith]

Ha! Good luck with that.

[Faded]

What did he do to Rachel, aside from making her tolerable? If his "buddy" does the same to Cable, then I'm all for it.

No seriously, what exactly did Bru do to Rachel?

She's certainly in no worst position than she was beforehand.

SHE WASN'T KILLED OFF-PANEL BY THE U-MEN!

No, seriously.

[Pach!]

I have a feeling I'm the one who's going to be doing the laughing. I'm also going to be the one to tell you "I told you so".

Weren't you the one that predicted a drop in Thunderbolts sales by a certain number and got it wrong?

[The Cool Thatguy]

You seem to have it all figured out.:rolleyes:

Can't wait to laugh at how wrong you were when X-Force is a sales juggernaut and Cable is actually really good.

Predicting that a book with Wolverine in it will have high sales? You're crazy, man!

[rwsmith]

I know, I know. I like to live dangerously. It's a long shot, but I've just got a good feeling here.;)

[The Cool Thatguy]

The writers addressed that in the Wizard interview. I believe that they are going to try and turn her into a bad@$$.

It's a safe bet that Wolfsbane will be both reluctant and disgusted at the sight of her teammates killing the bad guys, and she will eventually be put in a situation where she will have to either choose between killing a bad guy in order to save someone's life or letting an innocent person die. She will most likely choose to kill the bad guy and then spend numerous issues sulking about what she did.

More than likely. I wish like hell people would remember that the point of Rahne was that she has a deep sense of morality and humanity that sets her apart from the animal set.

[Jota]

I have a feeling I'm the one who's going to be doing the laughing. I'm also going to be the one to tell you "I told you so".You have a feeling, rwsmith has, as far as X-Force is concerned, an artist with a nice fanbase, a writing crew wich made New X-Men, with a cast of characters that where either original or very new, sell pretty well, and a cast starring a character that's popular enough to suport two books.
If I was a betting man, I'd be following his hunch.

[kate-pryde]

What did he do to Rachel, aside from making her tolerable? If his "buddy" does the same to Cable, then I'm all for it.

Beside the horrendous sexist relationship with Korvus, Brubaker completely separated Rachel from the Summers family and gave sarcastic answers any time he was asked about Summers family bonding, Rachel & Cable, anything dealing with anything with Rachel and the Askani. And he ranted about how much he hates alternate future characters and stories.

So if the same happens to Cable, he's going to get reconned back into his Liefield days. :mad:

[Brian M.]

Beside the horrendous sexist relationship with Korvus, Brubaker completely separated Rachel from the Summers family and gave sarcastic answers any time he was asked about Summers family bonding, Rachel & Cable, anything dealing with anything with Rachel and the Askani. And he ranted about how much he hates alternate future characters and stories.

So if the same happens to Cable, he's going to get reconned back into his Liefield days. :mad:

Sexist Relationship?

[Hi-Fi]

More than likely. I wish like hell people would remember that the point of Rahne was that she has a deep sense of morality and humanity that sets her apart from the animal set.
They just said in the interview that Rahne would still be the Rahne we know. But let's not forget that she's already struggling with her feral self in X-Factor.

[Omega Alpha]

Brubaker completely separated Rachel from the Summers family

Claremont did that. In the mid-to-late 80's. And then again in the 2000's.

And he ranted about how much he hates alternate future characters and stories.

95% of CBR does that often.


So if the same happens to Cable, he's going to get reconned back into his Liefield days. :mad:

Probably, since Brubaker is known for writing and enjoy characters who don't think and just kill everything they see with guns bigger than Black Goliath's grave.

[kate-pryde]

If Brubaker said that the new Cable is the worst thing he ever heard of and he absolutely hates it, it would be my new favorite comic.

Why the heck does Marvel give writers assignments to writers with characters that are everything they hate?

[Brian M.]

If Brubaker said that the new Cable is the worst thing he ever heard of and he absolutely hates it, it would be my new favorite comic.

Why the heck does Marvel give writers assignments to writers with characters that are everything they hate?

Becuase otherwise you get character wank sessions...i.e. Sage.

[Omega Alpha]

If Brubaker said that the new Cable is the worst thing he ever heard of and he absolutely hates it, it would be my new favorite comic.

Why the heck does Marvel give writers assignments to writers with characters that are everything they hate?

Is part of a conspiracy to piss fans off, it always is.

[Brian M.]

Is part of a conspiracy to piss fans off, it always is.

Yea, it's not like Marvel is in the business of selling books. They obviously create comics to piss off fans.

[rwsmith]

So if the same happens to Cable, he's going to get reconned back into his Liefield days. :mad:

You say that like it's a bad thing. Seriously, look at it from Marvel's perspective. Cable was never more popular than he was back before he got retconned into the time-traveling son of Cyclops and a clone of Jean Grey infected with a techno-organic virus (say that out loud and listen to how ridiculous it sounds).

IMO both Cable and Rachel would be better off if they could stand on their own two feet as characters and not have to play the whole "Summers family" card all the time. So I definitely agree with what Ed did with Rachel in terms of establishing her as her own person instead of just another Summers kid from the future.

If he does the same for Cable, well, then I believe Nate may actually become a major player again in the Marvel Universe (or at least in the X-books).

[Omega Alpha]

Yea, it's not like Marvel is in the business of selling books. They obviously create comics to piss off fans.

That's why they force writers to have characters they hate on any team, even when the character is a B-lister which Marvel would be more than happy in just let Claremont take or kill, due to it's convoluted origin and the fact she makes two more popular characters look older.

[CyberHubbs]

Was Cable popular for all the right reasons back then, though?

[rwsmith]

Depends on who you ask. Is Wolverine popular for all the right reasons now? I think many would say that he is not, but nonetheless he is popular and makes Marvel a ton of money. And that's what it's all about from their perspective, seeing as how they are a commercial enterprise (and thus are not just in the business of putting out books that kate-pryde wants to see).

[CyberHubbs]

Depends on who you ask. Is Wolverine popular for all the right reasons now? I think many would say that he is not, but nonetheless he is popular and makes Marvel a ton of money. And that's what it's all about from their perspective, seeing as how they are a commercial enterprise (and thus are not just in the business of putting out books that kate-pryde wants to see).

I'm aware that they ARE a business. Which is one of the reasons I don't flip out over every little thing that others complain about.

What I meant was, was he popular among the fans back in the day for all the right reasons? The 90s, for example. Was it worth the sales and general comic boom to endure what might have been the worst era in comics? From our perspective.

[Slung]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Seriously, look at it from Marvel's perspective. Cable was never more popular than he was back before he got retconned into the time-traveling son of Cyclops and a clone of Jean Grey infected with a techno-organic virus (say that out loud and listen to how ridiculous it sounds).

IMO both Cable and Rachel would be better off if they could stand on their own two feet as characters and not have to play the whole "Summers family" card all the time. So I definitely agree with what Ed did with Rachel in terms of establishing her as her own person instead of just another Summers kid from the future.

If he does the same for Cable, well, then I believe Nate may actually become a major player again in the Marvel Universe (or at least in the X-books).
Rachel will never escape the shadow of Jean. Red hair. Check. Psi powers. Check. Phoenix. Check. Marvel Girl. Check. She's like an advertisement for Jean. So, either she is a convoluted character from the future or she doesn't exist.

[CyberHubbs]

Rachel will never escape the shadow of Jean. Red hair. Check. Psi powers. Check. Phoenix. Check. Marvel Girl. Check. She's like an advertisement for Jean. So, either she is a convoluted character from the future or she doesn't exist.

What if they turned Rachel into a villain?!

...oh, wait.

[ClanAskani]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Seriously, look at it from Marvel's perspective. Cable was never more popular than he was back before he got retconned into the time-traveling son of Cyclops and a clone of Jean Grey infected with a techno-organic virus (say that out loud and listen to how ridiculous it sounds).


But part of height of Cable's popularity was Jeph Loeb's run on Cable which dealt with the T-O Virus and Nate's relationship with his parents.

Remember, Cable was in Marvel's top 10-20 books until Marvel stopped promoting it and Tischman took over. What bothers me is the assumption that fans were buying Cable's solo series only because Cable was popular, not because it was good.

What separates Nate from being a sterotypical anti-hero with a big gun is his relationships with other characters - the X-Force kids, Dom, Irene, Tyler, Xavier, Jean & Scott, Rachel, Nate Grey, Blaquesmith, even Wade. When he's off on his own, Cable's series never worked.

One of the most touching scenes ever in Cable was in the issue where Cable asks Storm to tell him about Rachel because he can't understand why someone who barely knew him would sacrifice everything for him.

What Brubaker has gotten wrong in Uncanny so far is ignoring the relationships between most of the characters.

But maybe Duane Swierczynski gets that. If he reads up on Cable, I think he will.

I read his novel The Wheelman this weekend, and I'm not sure it gives a clear idea of what his Cable will be like, but he writes dialog very well.


Also, there's a few other things to consider:

The clue from Mike Carey about Cable's "death" is that they "didn't find a body".

Another thing Jim @ Marvel posted on the Bendis Board. I asked him about an Essential Cable, since I think the biggest hinderance to understanding Cable is that his backstory is spread out over so many issues and titles that they need to put out an Essential Cable.

Jim's response:

That's not a bad idea at all! Send Jen G a private message!


Jen said they didn't have any plans for Essential Cable (obviously), but it could be in the works now.

None of that points to any of the speculation that Cable being a new Cable from a different timeline who had never travelled back to the past before. Putting out an Essential Cable wouldn't be needed if he was a new character and if his body wasn't found, then it's the same ol' Cable. Only very pissed off and with a new mission.

[kate-pryde]

And that's what it's all about from their perspective, seeing as how they are a commercial enterprise (and thus are not just in the business of putting out books that kate-pryde wants to see).

Sure, putting out a new Cable title that appeals to someone who absolutely loved Cable #1-96 doesn't make any sense. Clearly, I was the only person who ever purchased Cable's solo title between the years of 1993 and 2001. :rolleyes: (I must have purchased tens of thousands of issues so it would look like it was more popular than it was. :rolleyes:)

Instead, it would make far more sense to make a new Cable series that appeals to people who hated Cable #1-96. :rolleyes:

After all, Cable was retooled over and over again to make him appeal to the people who hated him, and it worked out so well. In fact, sales were so low that those titles were canceled after dozen issues.

Hmmm, so I wonder... why not try to appeal to the fans that made Cable's solo title a success rather than trying to appeal to the fans who hate Cable?



Jen said they didn't have any plans for Essential Cable (obviously), but it could be in the works now.


Marvel putting out Essential Cable?!?!?!?!?!?! Has hell frozen over?

[rwsmith]

But here's where your argument falls apart again and again: I don't hate the X-books. I don't hate Cable. I just hate what Marvel did to him.

He was one of my favorites back in the day. Now he's the poster-child for the type of inbred, convoluted fanwank story-telling that ruined the X-books in the 90's. And it seems like, from your posts at least, that you're only going to be happy if Nathan starts every issue saying something like, "I am Nathan Christopher Summers Askani'son. I am from the future. Cyclops is my father. Rachel is my sister. I have a techno-organic virus that eats my tissue and replaces it with mechanical parts." And so on and so forth.

For the record, though, I don't have a problem with them keeping his history intact. What's done is done after all. I just don't want to hear about it every issue because IMO it's so ridiculous and dumb. Make him a man again, dammit, and not just some whiny Summers kid!;)

Mike Carey did a good job of this. He didn't completely ignore Cable's history, but he also didn't allow it to dictate his storytelling either. Nicienza did a good job of this too, at least in the Cable/Deadpool issues that I picked up.

At any rate, I'm just looking for Cable to be cool again, and it sounds like that's in the cards, so I'm happy. Maybe the new writer will throw in a Rachel reference somewhere so you will chill out.

[jarrod]

What did he do to Rachel, aside from making her tolerable? If his "buddy" does the same to Cable, then I'm all for it.
You mean being perpetually dated raped and made Phoenix (yet again) made Rachel more tolerable? I mean she wasn't tripping over herself (well, as much at least) and mighty-morphing into a Dinosaur... but Brubaker's take on the character was still manure. Which is a shame because I thought he handled Ray okay in DG.

The only stories we've seen a really great Rachel in over the past decade were by Weinberg, Nicezia or Millar. On the whole, Claremont and Brubaker both failed hard.

[rwsmith]

This just kind of proves my point, though. Why does Rachel have to come up in every thread about Cable? Does the new writer have some obligation to appease all of the Rachel fans by including her in Cable's new book? I don't think so.

If it were a Havok series, would you want the writer to beat it into the readers' heads that he's Cyclops' brother in every issue? I sure wouldn't. In fact, one of my big problems with Havok is that the writers have rarely allowed him to be his own person.

Look at X-23. Whether you like her or hate her, those who have written her have done a great job of making her into something more than just a clone of Wolverine. They've given her her own voice, and made her distinctly different from Logan. I almost never see it referenced any more that she's cloned from him.

That's how I feel about Cable. Unfortunately he is a Summers from the future, but do we need to be reminded of that fact every single issue? I'm not saying that it can't come up, but that should be a small part of who the character is IMO. If Rachel guest-stars, fine. But I don't want to see the two of them lamenting the fact that they never really got to know their parents or that they're from horrible, war-torn futures or any crap like that.

That's all I'm saying.

[jarrod]

For the Rachel fans, I think it's a more seeing a similar scenario to the "what could've been" plans Weinberg had in store. Rachel was great during his Cable run; smart and capable, completely herself, not insanely overpowered, little to no mention of Jean/DOFP/Phoenix, with a genuine connection to Cable... probably the best she's been since returning.

I like Cable, but I'll admit that I tend to like the ladies he hangs out with more. Here's to hoping Irene, Domino and Rachel all show up in some capacity...

[rwsmith]

Of those three, I'd probably be most okay with Irene showing up. Never really cared for Domino. I always thought her (and Longshot's) powers were kind of nebulous and silly. Plus she banged Wolverine, which has got to cause Nathan to have some second thoughts about ever going there again.

Regardless, that's just my opinion. If the new writer wants to use Domino or Rachel and can make it work (i.e., not a rehash of all of the interactions we've seen between these characters before), then I'd be all for it.

Personally I'd like to see Cable strike up a relationship with someone new, though. Someone you'd never expect. For awhile there I thought he and Storm were going to have a thing, which would've been interesting (if not somewhat creepy in that it would cause me to wonder whether or not Storm had a fetish for men with mechanical parts).

Might be funny to see Cable and Dazzler get it on. If for no other reason than to watch the Dazzler fans go nuts. Alison seems like the type who might go for an older man, at least to me.

[pariah-1972]

Of those three, I'd probably be most okay with Irene showing up. Never really cared for Domino. I always thought her (and Longshot's) powers were kind of nebulous and silly. Plus she banged Wolverine, which has got to cause Nathan to have some second thoughts about ever going there again.

Regardless, that's just my opinion. If the new writer wants to use Domino or Rachel and can make it work (i.e., not a rehash of all of the interactions we've seen between these characters before), then I'd be all for it.

Personally I'd like to see Cable strike up a relationship with someone new, though. Someone you'd never expect. For awhile there I thought he and Storm were going to have a thing, which would've been interesting (if not somewhat creepy in that it would cause me to wonder whether or not Storm had a fetish for men with mechanical parts).

Might be funny to see Cable and Dazzler get it on. If for no other reason than to watch the Dazzler fans go nuts. Alison seems like the type who might go for an older man, at least to me.As far as i know Dazz is only into the blonde haired pretty boys,
but i'm sure she could use an older man.

[Bricolo]

I always wanted Sue Storm and Cable to get together for a spell.

[GoingGreen]

... seriously?

[blackphoenix]

I think New X-men: Academy X will be canceled. It just doesn't have the same "oomph" as the New Mutants, and the characters are kinda blah.

Any idea as to who will be the line-up for X-Force?

[Don Quixote]

I think New X-men: Academy X will be canceled. It just doesn't have the same "oomph" as the New Mutants, and the characters are kinda blah.

Any idea as to who will be the line-up for X-Force?

New X-men: Academy X hasn't existed for over two years.

New X-Men, however, is the best X-book around at the moment, with some of the best written characters, and if Marvel cancel it, then they've truly lost the plot.

[Pach!]

^

I agree.

[kate-pryde]

My guess is that the school closes temporarily, thus X-Force is launched. Then some time later in 2008, a new school book (maybe a new New Mutants) is launched.

[jarrod]

Of those three, I'd probably be most okay with Irene showing up. Never really cared for Domino. I always thought her (and Longshot's) powers were kind of nebulous and silly. Plus she banged Wolverine, which has got to cause Nathan to have some second thoughts about ever going there again.

Regardless, that's just my opinion. If the new writer wants to use Domino or Rachel and can make it work (i.e., not a rehash of all of the interactions we've seen between these characters before), then I'd be all for it.
Agreed on the latter... I don't want any characters forced on any writer honestly, it's never ends up well.

As far as Dom, I've always wanted to see her on the X-Men proper. She's a great character, and I like that she and Nathan aren't stereotypically beholden to each other... hell, they've never really even been "together", they just care about each other. It's simple and complex at the same time, I wish more of the X-romances were as "deep".

Probablity manipulation isn't all that complex a powerset either, it's essentially low level reality warping (think along the lines of pre-Dissassembled Wanada more or less). Longshot's "luck" is a bit more nebulous, but it's mystical in origin too so that makes it a bit easier to overlook the logic involved there.


Personally I'd like to see Cable strike up a relationship with someone new, though. Someone you'd never expect. For awhile there I thought he and Storm were going to have a thing, which would've been interesting (if not somewhat creepy in that it would cause me to wonder whether or not Storm had a fetish for men with mechanical parts).

Might be funny to see Cable and Dazzler get it on. If for no other reason than to watch the Dazzler fans go nuts. Alison seems like the type who might go for an older man, at least to me.
The Storm thing was pushed forward, then just as quickly killed by editorial iirc. No idea what all that was about, though time displaced characters shacking up with their parent's friends who they knew as children kreeps me out. Same thing happened when Rachel and Kurt made out... ew.

Dazzler might be okay, and she's pushing mid 30s now (so she's not all *that* young). Nate doesn't seem much her type though imo, and vice versa. If not for the whole Scott thing, I'd have actually thought Emma might be a good match for Nate before... he really needs someone more who can challenge him on different levels.

[Faded]

I hate Domino because Risque "died" under her watch, yet I love her because she posthumously called her glamourous.

She's one compliment away from either side.

[Pach!]

I hate Domino because Risque "died" under her watch, yet I love her because she posthumously called her glamourous.

She's one compliment away from either side.

LOL. Faded, you're so cute! :)

I should send a copy of your posts to the X-editors so they bring back Risque ASAP. LOL SOME ARE DIRTY THOUGH.

[Hi-Fi]

I personally think Domino is adorable. But the again, so was Risque.

[Faded]

I personally think Domino is adorable. But the again, so was Risque.

Stop trying to make it up to me! I was game over!

LOL. Faded, you're so cute! :)

I should send a copy of your posts to the X-editors so they bring back Risque ASAP. LOL SOME ARE DIRTY THOUGH.

*hugs Andres*

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9891/risquehugdp7.jpg

[Blade X]

Weren't you the one that predicted a drop in Thunderbolts sales by a certain number and got it wrong?

Yep, and I was off by 8,000 copies. I said it would drop by 20,000, but it dropped by 12,000. Of course, I'm still predicting that the book will continue to have huge sales drops in the months to come.

[Blade X]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Seriously, look at it from Marvel's perspective. Cable was never more popular than he was back before he got retconned into the time-traveling son of Cyclops and a clone of Jean Grey infected with a techno-organic virus (say that out loud and listen to how ridiculous it sounds).

IMO both Cable and Rachel would be better off if they could stand on their own two feet as characters and not have to play the whole "Summers family" card all the time. So I definitely agree with what Ed did with Rachel in terms of establishing her as her own person instead of just another Summers kid from the future.

If he does the same for Cable, well, then I believe Nate may actually become a major player again in the Marvel Universe (or at least in the X-books).

Rachel is NOT "just another Summers kid from the future". She was the FIRST and ONLY Summers kid from the future, until Bob Harras decided that Cable should be Scott and Maddie's baby from the future.

That all being said, I would be VERY HAPPY if Cable's origin is totally retconed so that he is no longer related to Cyclops.

[Blade X]

You have a feeling, rwsmith has, as far as X-Force is concerned, an artist with a nice fanbase, a writing crew wich made New X-Men, with a cast of characters that where either original or very new, sell pretty well, and a cast starring a character that's popular enough to suport two books.
If I was a betting man, I'd be following his hunch.

History has shown us that whenever a popular character is OVER EXPOSED, that characters selling power diminishes over time. Both of Wolverine's solo titles are falling rapidly in sales. Remember when Wolverine's guest appearance alone was enough to boost sales on a book? That sales stunt doesn't work any more.

[Pach!]

So what are your predictions, Blade X?

Is it only lasting 5 issues? Or is it going to sell 16, 000 copies? Define failing.

[Blade X]

But here's where your argument falls apart again and again: I don't hate the X-books. I don't hate Cable. I just hate what Marvel did to him.

He was one of my favorites back in the day. Now he's the poster-child for the type of inbred, convoluted fanwank story-telling that ruined the X-books in the 90's. And it seems like, from your posts at least, that you're only going to be happy if Nathan starts every issue saying something like, "I am Nathan Christopher Summers Askani'son. I am from the future. Cyclops is my father. Rachel is my sister. I have a techno-organic virus that eats my tissue and replaces it with mechanical parts." And so on and so forth.

For the record, though, I don't have a problem with them keeping his history intact. What's done is done after all. I just don't want to hear about it every issue because IMO it's so ridiculous and dumb. Make him a man again, dammit, and not just some whiny Summers kid!;)

I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the part about keeping his history in tact.

I have ALWAYS felt that Cable should have NEVER been given an ongoing solo series. I always felt that the character worked better as part of a team. This is why I only bought Cable's first going series sporadically. I only liked certain runs on the series (Robert Weinberg's run being my favorite).

[Omega Alpha]

I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the part about keeping his history in tact.

I have ALWAYS felt that Cable should have NEVER been given an ongoing solo series. I always felt that the character worked better as part of a team. This is why I only bought Cable's first going series sporadically. I only liked certain runs on the series (Robert Weinberg's run being my favorite).

Cable is a character with his own agenda and ways of see the world, that is likely to clash with everyone else's. It's a natural thing for someone like him to have his own book, like T'challa and Iron Man have.

[Blade X]

So what are your predictions, Blade X?

Is it only lasting 5 issues? Or is it going to sell 16, 000 copies? Define failing.

I predict that the new X-FORCE book will start off selling very well thanks to it being a tie in to/spin off from the MESSIAH COMPLEX crossover and the inevitable variant cover for the first issue (or first 6 issues). While it's hard for me to predict how many copies this book will sell this early on, I will give it a try and say that the first issue will sell between 70,000 and 90,000 copies. After the variant covers are stopped and all of the excitement from the crossover has died down, the book will start having huge sells drops until the book is selling around where either NEW X-MEN or X-FACTOR were selling BEFORE the crossover began. I predict, that this will then cause Marvel to once again, revamp X-FORCE.

[Pach!]

I predict that the new X-FORCE book will start off selling very well thanks to it being a tie in to/spin off from the MESSIAH COMPLEX crossover and the inevitable variant cover for the first issue (or first 6 issues). While it's hard for me to predict how many copies this book will sell this early on, I will give it a try and say that the first issue will sell between 70,000 and 90,000 copies. After the variant covers are stopped and all of the excitement from the crossover has died down, the book will start having huge sells drops until the book is selling around where either NEW X-MEN or X-FACTOR were selling BEFORE the crossover began. I predict, that this will then cause Marvel to once again, revamp X-FORCE.

How is that failing?!

[EnDwiGast]

Cable is a character with his own agenda and ways of see the world, that is likely to clash with everyone else's. It's a natural thing for someone like him to have his own book, like T'challa and Iron Man have.

I agree but I also understand where Blade X is coming from.

When written well, Cable is a strong dominant personality who would push everyone else to a secondary role as soldiers for his cause - as you say. But he's more of a natural general than Iron Man or Black Panther and his messianic nature tends to lead to him gathering a group of followers sooner or later.

I can't see him having lasted long on Rogue's team before taking it over or heading back on his own path.

So better that Cable have his own ongoing than either A) be unnaturally buried on a team book of peers or B) crowding out other fan faves on whatever team he lands on.

So if he's on a team then it almost has to be a bunch of noobs or secondary characters...in which case it might as well be called Cable anyways.

Plus a solo Cable ongoing allows for him to act decisively and independently when needed and we can follow him, from his point of view instead of the point of view of his teammates.

I would prefer that first person point of view right now to constantly having his teammates trying to figure him out and wonder what his agenda is. That seems to play to his new writer's strengths. That is what he needs to evolve to the next level as a character.

But I would eventually like to see him more involved on occasion with the established heroes in a team setting and continue to have his own ongoing.

[EnDwiGast]

I predict that the new X-FORCE book will start off selling very well thanks to it being a tie in to/spin off from the MESSIAH COMPLEX crossover and the inevitable variant cover for the first issue (or first 6 issues). While it's hard for me to predict how many copies this book will sell this early on, I will give it a try and say that the first issue will sell between 70,000 and 90,000 copies. After the variant covers are stopped and all of the excitement from the crossover has died down, the book will start having huge sells drops until the book is selling around where either NEW X-MEN or X-FACTOR were selling BEFORE the crossover began. I predict, that this will then cause Marvel to once again, revamp X-FORCE.

Unfortunately you are correct in that the majority of new solo ongoing series follow this pattern. Especially with mutant leads.

The unknown factor here is just how good this new writer will be. Could he accomplish with Cable what Brubaker is accomplishing with Iron Fist? Its a tall order, but not impossible.

Also on the positive side is that Cable does have a following and a history to work with.

Worst case scenario though is that he should be able to last at least as long as a title like Ms Marvel (not trying to pick on her because I do read her series)

[Blade X]

Cable is a character with his own agenda and ways of see the world, that is likely to clash with everyone else's. It's a natural thing for someone like him to have his own book, like T'challa and Iron Man have.

That may be true, but that doesn't mean that the book will sell. The current comic book market isn't strong enough to support a solo Cable book. Not to mention that Cable is no where near as popular as he used to be.

Being the leader of X-Force, proves that Cable can work with a team whose ideas he SOMETIMES clashes with.

[Blade X]

Unfortunately you are correct in that the majority of new solo ongoing series follow this pattern. Especially with mutant leads.

The unknown factor here is just how good this new writer will be. Could he accomplish with Cable what Brubaker is accomplishing with Iron Fist? Its a tall order, but not impossible.

Also on the positive side is that Cable does have a following and a history to work with.

Worst case scenario though is that he should be able to last at least as long as a title like Ms Marvel (not trying to pick on her because I do read her series)

I was talking about the new X-FORCE series.

That being said, I give the new Cable series 12-18 issues (a little bit longer if you add variant covers and crossovers to the mix).

[Blade X]

How is that failing?!

For a team book comprised of Wolverine wannabes and with Wolverine as the leader, that is a failure.

[EnDwiGast]

I was talking about the new X-FORCE series.

That being said, I give the new Cable series 12-18 issues (a little bit longer if you add variant covers and crossovers to the mix).

I see. Well, I haven't given much thought to the new X-force so far. But I'm sure i will as its release date grows closer.

As for Cable an estimate of 12-18 issues would put it on par with Ant Man, Blade, Nextwave and Heroes for Hire.

Even with a weaker premise, I would be more inclined to compare it to Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, She Hulk & Ms Marvel. Of those, only Moon Knight has any chance of falling into that range.

If the post-messiah Complex premise turns out to be a weak one and if the new writer makes a slow transition into comic book writing, then I could see it falling in the 18 - 25 issue range. Worst case scenario.

The biggest killer right now of any new series is a beginning story-arc that drags on. The longer a team has taken to get to the point of readers understanding where they are going with it, the dicier its chances look for survival. Team books like New Warriors, The Order and Avengers: Initiative are facing these kinds of questions right now.

But as an X-Universe spin-off, with good to better-than-average writing and better-than-average artwork, I think it would go on for longer. Maybe much longer.

But then I am more optimistic about Cable and have a stronger personal interest in seeing a Cable ongoing succeed. Hopefully it meets and exceeds my current expectations. I guess we'll have to see what kind of product they give us when the first issue arrives.

[rwsmith]

For the record, I predict that both titles will start off very strong and that X-Force will level out somewhere around adjectiveless X-men numbers and that Cable will level out somewhere around X-Factor / New X-men numbers.

I believe that all of the X-properties will be hot again post-MC. Guess we'll just have to wait and see whose crystal ball is working better.

[Jota]

History has shown us that whenever a popular character is OVER EXPOSED, that characters selling power diminishes over time. Both of Wolverine's solo titles are falling rapidly in sales. Remember when Wolverine's guest appearance alone was enough to boost sales on a book? That sales stunt doesn't work any more.Sure, that's why they keep using it! I guess the guest star in Submariner was there because it was vital to the story. :rolleyes:
Wolverine has been overexposed for more then a decade and he keeps working.
As for his two solo books, Origins has been loosing sales because people are loosing interest in the story, not in the character. Wolverine is still doing great and any readers that leave the book because they don't like the current story will probably come back for the next. Even if they are not as good as they have been many times in the past, the Wolverine books still sell in numbers Marvel wished they coul achieve with star creative teams in other characters. Brubaker's Daredevil, wich is considered top quality, sells much less the W:O. You're going to tell me that's because Way can get more fans to buy is books then Brubaker?

[cable guy]

That may be true, but that doesn't mean that the book will sell. The current comic book market isn't strong enough to support a solo Cable book. Not to mention that Cable is no where near as popular as he used to be.


I think with Cable on the 'rise' again, Marvel is willing to try something different with him.

[rwsmith]

Sure, that's why they keep using it! I guess the guest star in Submariner was there because it was vital to the story. :rolleyes:
Wolverine has been overexposed for more then a decade and he keeps working.
As for his two solo books, Origins has been loosing sales because people are loosing interest in the story, not in the character. Wolverine is still doing great and any readers that leave the book because they don't like the current story will probably come back for the next. Even if they are not as good as they have been many times in the past, the Wolverine books still sell in numbers Marvel wished they coul achieve with star creative teams in other characters. Brubaker's Daredevil, wich is considered top quality, sells much less the W:O. You're going to tell me that's because Way can get more fans to buy is books then Brubaker?

Good points. It should also be noted that the Loeb/Bianchi Wolverine arc was in the Top 10 every month. I attribute this recent drop-off in sales on the regular Wolverine book to Howard Chaykin's artwork mostly. I just don't think a lot of people dig it, especially if the sales on the last Blade series are any indication.

When David Finch takes over on the next arc (with C.B. Cebulski), you can fully expect Wolverine to be in the Top 10 again. And as good as Finch is (at least IMO), he couldn't make Moon Knight a Top 10 book, but he will no doubt make Wolverine one. That says a lot about the drawing power of the character.

As for Cable, I do think that with the right approach he could be primed to be a major X-man again. The real question there is whether or not he's even in our time period and also whether or not he'll be interacting with the X-men. If he's not, then I agree with BladeX and don't expect this revamp to last very long. If Marvel was smart and they really wanted to push the character again they would put him on a high-profile team like Astonishing. But they'll probably just take the safe route and put Wolverine in that book too.

I think with Cable on the 'rise' again, Marvel is willing to try something different with him.

I hope they not only try something different with him, but also give him a big push. With a little effort, Cable could be a badass on par with Wolverine again---perhaps even better in some respects because he's not so overused these days. At least IMO.

As much as I'd like to see Bianchi drawing him again, my hope is that they confine Wolverine to X-Force and New Avengers (in addition to his two solo books, that is) and use someone like Cable or Bishop as the resident "badass" character in Astonishing (preferably Cable).

[Omega Alpha]

I think is easier for Marvel to cancel the book than to put Cable in Astonishing. To put the character with the most convoluted story in the MU in a book that is supposed to be very accessible strikes me as a very dull idea... And put a character considered to be a terrorist by the public and known for even deposing heads of state (evil dictators, sure, but still heads of state) on a PR team is even worse.

[jarrod]

I doubt Second Stage will bother with the PR Superhero angle honestly... Ellis implied as much actually.

And really, I don't think Cable's history is any more convoluted and headache inducing than Wolverine...

[kate-pryde]

I think is easier for Marvel to cancel the book than to put Cable in Astonishing. To put the character with the most convoluted story in the MU in a book that is supposed to be very accessible strikes me as a very dull idea... And put a character considered to be a terrorist by the public and known for even deposing heads of state (evil dictators, sure, but still heads of state) on a PR team is even worse.

I agree that Cable wouldn't work in Astonishing, unless he only a supporting character or maybe in an arc where the Astonishing team needs to stop him from doing something. He could be used in a minor way that introduces him to new readers in an accessible way, but Astonishing being continuity-light would prevent Cable from being developed.

Also, assuming Scott is still commanding the Astonishing team, I doubt it would work with both Nate and Scott on the same team. It'd be fun to see them butt heads, but it wouldn't work for long.

The conflict between Scott and Nate does make for interesting stories and does highlight their fundamental differences. If Uncanny and Astonishing are sharing the same cast, maybe Nate in Uncanny would be the best opportunity to interact with Scott.

I'm guessing that Nate ends up on opposite sides from Scott's team in Messiah Complex. Cable's always worked best when he's clashing with the X-Men over what needs to be done. Then his solo title has Cable off doing his own thing. :( (Otherwise, why have a solo title, why not put Cable in one of the core books?)

If Cable's solo title doesn't succeed, Cable probably would get folded into X-Force.

[cable guy]

Yost and Kyle deserve 2 books. Cable deserves to fail and die to teach Axel Alonso a lesson on not likeing Cable & Deadpool.


Hey, hey, hey... relax.:D

[Blade X]

Brubaker's Daredevil, wich is considered top quality, sells much less the W:O. You're going to tell me that's because Way can get more fans to buy is books then Brubaker?

Well at the rate sells on W:O keep falling, the book will be selling less then Bru's DD within a year:)

Just because Wolverine is more popular then Daredevil, DOES NOT mean every book he appears in will sell well or even sell better then DD. Wolverine (along with Spidey) appeared in numerous issues of the last MARVEL TEAM UP series, and the book still sold liker crap.

[Blade X]

Good points. It should also be noted that the Loeb/Bianchi Wolverine arc was in the Top 10 every month. I attribute this recent drop-off in sales on the regular Wolverine book to Howard Chaykin's artwork mostly. I just don't think a lot of people dig it, especially if the sales on the last Blade series are any indication.

When David Finch takes over on the next arc (with C.B. Cebulski), you can fully expect Wolverine to be in the Top 10 again. And as good as Finch is (at least IMO), he couldn't make Moon Knight a Top 10 book, but he will no doubt make Wolverine one. That says a lot about the drawing power of the character.


I could be wrong, but I don't think that the Loeb/Bianchi run on WOLVERINE was in the top 10 throughout their entire run. Also, I could be wrong, but I think that they had variant covers for each issue of their entire run. Their run also had the added benefit of being billed as a MAJOR EVENT story that was going to finally review the connection between Wolverine and Sabertooth, as well as be their "final" battle.

I HIGHLY doubt that WOLVERINE will become a top 10 book again once Finch comes onto the book.

[rwsmith]

How much you want to bet?;)

[Jota]

Well at the rate sells on W:O keep falling, the book will be selling less then Bru's DD within a year:)

Just because Wolverine is more popular then Daredevil, DOES NOT mean every book he appears in will sell well or even sell better then DD.But it means there is a big chance of that happening. A much bigger chance then the oposite.

Wolverine (along with Spidey) appeared in numerous issues of the last MARVEL TEAM UP series, and the book still sold liker crap. Many of the issues starred other character. The book had uneven sales, and it usually went up when Wolverine and Spider Man starred in it. X-force is a completly diferent book, where Wolverine wont appear from time to time to have a small part in a larger story, but where, for at least the first arc, he will be one of the main characters.

[SYBERNYMPH]

Also Remember That Lifeguard Is A Hunter She States It Way Back When She Wasnt Collecting Marvel Dust.

[Blade X]

Many of the issues starred other character. The book had uneven sales, and it usually went up when Wolverine and Spider Man starred in it.

I'm to lazy to do the research. Do you have any proof that sales on MTU went up whenever Wolverine and Spidey were in the book?

[Brent1974]

Of those three, I'd probably be most okay with Irene showing up. Never really cared for Domino. I always thought her (and Longshot's) powers were kind of nebulous and silly. Plus she banged Wolverine, which has got to cause Nathan to have some second thoughts about ever going there again.

Regardless, that's just my opinion. If the new writer wants to use Domino or Rachel and can make it work (i.e., not a rehash of all of the interactions we've seen between these characters before), then I'd be all for it.

Personally I'd like to see Cable strike up a relationship with someone new, though. Someone you'd never expect. For awhile there I thought he and Storm were going to have a thing, which would've been interesting (if not somewhat creepy in that it would cause me to wonder whether or not Storm had a fetish for men with mechanical parts).

Might be funny to see Cable and Dazzler get it on. If for no other reason than to watch the Dazzler fans go nuts. Alison seems like the type who might go for an older man, at least to me.

When did Wolverine and Domino sleep together. I have been out of comics for years. So much to catch up on.

[rwsmith]

During Morrison's run on X-men. I believe it was in the Annual, actually.

[Jota]

I'm to lazy to do the research. Do you have any proof that sales on MTU went up whenever Wolverine and Spidey were in the book?I don't have the sales numbers with me but I remember they usualy went up with Wolverine and Spiderman. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.