X-Men #204 - Review and Spoilers

[Brian Cronin]

I can only imagine what the scene was like when the X-Writers hashed out Messiah Complex.

Brubaker - “What should we do? Have some cool action scenes?”

Carey - “Yeah, some fights would be interesting.”

Editor - “No, no, I have looked at the fan mail, and it appears that the fans are quite clear about what they want. And that is Cyclops reacting to people’s deaths.”

Brubaker - “You know, you’re right! The fans constantly complained about me not having Cyclops react to Corsair’s death! They won’t let me forget it!”

So yes, X-Men #204 does, indeed, spend a decent amount of time devoted to Cyclops reacting to the “death” of Cable. Soon, we can marvel at future issues, where Cyclops will react to the deaths of…CAPTAIN AMERICA!!

BLACK GOLIATH!!!

WHAT’S-HER-NAME FROM THE NEW WARRIORS!!!

It will be huge.

As for X-Men #204 - it is in the style of the epilogues to 90s multi-title crossovers. In other words, it is not good.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/xm204.jpg

This really isn’t Mike Carey’s fault, as he’s just working with what he’s given. “Make a good comic story, but keep in mind that nothing can really happen until the crossover starts! So just do a lot of ominous foreshadowing, and I guess you can have everyone react to the previous issues - oh, and if you can reference old continuity, that’d be super!”

In fact, in this issue, artist Mike Choi even treats us to a flashback to the 90s!!

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/XMEN204_int-6.jpg

But yeah, Mike Carey is too talented of a writer to make this issue a complete waste. There are some good character moments between Cannonaball and Iceman, Emma Frost and Cyclops, Iceman and Cyclops, Mystique and Gambit, Exodus and Mr. Sinis…oh wait, you can’t have good character moments with anyone and Mr. Sinister - my mistake!

Mike Choi’s artwork is a bit overwrought, but overall, he does a solid job. And compared to what this book had recently with Humberto Ramos turning in some of his worst work of recent memory, Choi is a delightful alternative.

His take on Iceman’s hair was a bit odd, but that’s neither here nor there…

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/XMEN204_int-3.jpg

There’s this scene between Rogue and Gambit where Rogue awakes from her coma, and we get this nice little flashback to past moments between Rogue and Gambit. This is another nod to past continuity, but what I like about it by Carey is that, yeah, all the scenes depicted actually happened, but that is NOT important to the plot. The scenes stand for themselves - that folks may or may not recognize where they are from is really unimportant. That’s quality use of continuity right there by Carey.

Also, I get that a lot of readers are kinda dumb, but if Gambit is going to be this outright about his actual loyalties, why not just come right out and SAY it, rather than make it a “mystery” in name only?

The discussion between Iceman and Cyclops as to the effectiveness of Rogue’s team (note that, as of right now, her team consists of just Iceman, as Rogue and Cannonaball are incapacitated, Omega Sentinel has been corrupted, Mystique and Lady Mastermind have “turned” on the X-Men, and Sabretooth and Cable are dead). Both characters make good points. It was nicely turned by Carey.

All in all, though, this was just treading water until the crossover begins, and as a result, while it certainly was not a BAD comic book, it was not a good one, either.

Oh, and there was the last part of Endangered Species, if anyone is still paying attention to that one. In this (TWO chapters in one!) story, Beast actually meets Wanda herself!! And we learn that, yes, nothing can be done to save the mutants.

Overall, X-Men #204?

Not Recommended (not even counting Endangered Species, if I counted that, it would just be MORE not recommended).

Good art debut by Choi, though!!

-Brian

[chickrockguitar]

No mention of the X-kids other than Blindfold?

[ZNOP]

The discussion between Iceman and Cyclops as to the effectiveness of Rogue’s team (note that, as of right now, her team consists of just Iceman, as Rogue and Cannonaball are incapacitated, Omega Sentinel has been corrupted, Mystique and Lady Mastermind have “turned” on the X-Men, and Sabretooth and Cable are dead). Both characters make good points. It was nicely turned by Carey.-Brian

Who or what killed Cable and Sabertooth? I find it hard to believe. Thanks. (I really need money!)

[Rubicant]

Who or what killed Cable and Sabertooth? I find it hard to believe. Thanks. (I really need money!)

Cable was killed when Providence was destroyed to keep Gambit and Sunfire from getting some information they needed for Sinister. Sabretooth was killed by a katana (Muramasa) that disrupts healing factors when he went all feral and Wolverine went all Highlander on him. The sword is a craptacular macguffin, but at least it got rid of Sabretooth after all the chances the X-Men (and the US government) have stupidly given him.

[blinkinrogue]

who died in new warriors??

[Brian M.]

I enjoy downtime issues. So I look forward to this. Scott/Bobby talk? Sounds good to me. Any O5 interaction is money.

[jarrod]

I enjoy downtime issues. So I look forward to this. Scott/Bobby talk? Sounds good to me. Any O5 interaction is money.
Hank/Bobby too... I hope those two end up on a team together after the dust settles, they really haven't been since X-Factor in 1980s. :/

[Hi-Fi]

Can't wait for this! Though I'm getting impatient about Rogue's situation.

[ProfeZZor X]

Hank/Bobby too... I hope those two end up on a team together after the dust settles, they really haven't been since X-Factor in 1980s. :/

This is true... But they've had "some" interaction since then, during Lobdell's run. Though I'm kind of shocked that Carey hasn't done much with the two, since beast has appeared in his book a number of times. Just like the connection he once shared with Rogue back in the early #300's of uncanny.

[Hi-Fi]

Just read it. It was good, but definitely not Mike's strongest issue. It's hard to have a team's downtime issue when you don't have a team.

Really liked Bobby sticking up for Sam and Rogue. And enjoyed the Sinister and Exodus talk. But Rogue status still annoys me. She needs to get up on her feet already. I'm tired of her falling unconscious again everytime she wakes up. It's pretty obvious that the crossover stepped on Mike's plans for her and he had to postpone the solution.

Good issue, but nothing spectacular.

[Pach!]

ES is the biggest disappointment ever. Beast should devolve further into a blue slug for putting us through that. Wanda should have devolved him right there on the spot.

[Cayman]

What did Wanda say? Did she and Hank sleep together?

[protogarrett]

There’s this scene between Rogue and Gambit where Rogue awakes from her coma, and we get this nice little flashback to past moments between Rogue and Gambit. This is another nod to past continuity, but what I like about it by Carey is that, yeah, all the scenes depicted actually happened, but that is NOT important to the plot. The scenes stand for themselves - that folks may or may not recognize where they are from is really unimportant. That’s quality use of continuity right there by Carey.

Also, I get that a lot of readers are kinda dumb, but if Gambit is going to be this outright about his actual loyalties, why not just come right out and SAY it, rather than make it a “mystery” in name only?

The discussion between Iceman and Cyclops as to the effectiveness of Rogue’s team (note that, as of right now, her team consists of just Iceman, as Rogue and Cannonaball are incapacitated, Omega Sentinel has been corrupted, Mystique and Lady Mastermind have “turned” on the X-Men, and Sabretooth and Cable are dead). Both characters make good points. It was nicely turned by Carey.



Can we have some more in-depth descriptions here? I would like especially to hear the good notes that Iceman made. I mean, it sounds like Cyclops was saying, the team totally failed and really... that sounds pretty accurate as much as i really hate to say it.

[Hi-Fi]

Can we have some more in-depth descriptions here? I would like especially to hear the good notes that Iceman made. I mean, it sounds like Cyclops was saying, the team totally failed and really... that sounds pretty accurate as much as i really hate to say it.
Cyclops tells Bobby that he warned Rogue about Creed and Bobby reminds Scott that he was the one who led the votes in favor of Mystique staying. Bobby also says that Rogue's team saved the world from The Children and Hecatomb, so the team did prevail.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

I've got two reviews of X-Men #204 to share with you:

STEVE MURRAY'S REVIEW FOR THE NEXUS (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71426/2007/10/23/advance-review-xmen-204.html) with minor spoilers

and

MY OWN REVIEW FROM MY BLOG (http://lysad.blogspot.com/2007/10/x-men-204.html) with more serious spoilers and details/commentary

I hope you enjoy them :)

[streator]

what do rogue and gambit talk about? does anyone have scans of their part in the issue?

[Hi-Fi]

what do rogue and gambit talk about? does anyone have scans of their part in the issue?
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6408/xmen204dcp0019du6.jpg

Though Gambit talks a lot to an unconscious Rogue before that.

[Omega Alpha]

Forget Brian (:D ), this issue was pretty good. Great character bits for Cyke, Iceman and Cannonball, and sets up things for MC, as well as for Rogue's recovery.

[Mitsaso]

I loved the issue! Carey delivers, yet again!
Mike Choi's art is wonderful, making Iceman look like a total wet dream!
The interaction between Scott and Bobby was great, and I loved the way they were about to blast each other! Finally Bobby grew some balls!
I loved the two-page spread in Rogue's mind and Mystique's lines to Gambit.
Bobby's dialogue with Sam was also great and provided us with awesome characterization!

Bobby: I made an idiot of myself. Let my guard down.
Sam: And you pants. Let's not forget them!

LOLZ!!!!:D :D :D

It was one of the greatest downtime issues I read, and also what we'd call "the calm before the storm" that Messiah CompleX will be!

[streator]

Though Gambit talks a lot to an unconscious Rogue before that.

thanks. what does he talk about to her when she's unconscious? does he apologize for his actions in blood of apocalypse or anything? does he say anything alluding to him possibly working undercover?

[Christopher O]

"the calm before the storm" that Messiah CompleX will be!
Damn right! (http://media.comics.ign.com/media/944/944221/img_4983128.html)

[Hi-Fi]

thanks. what does he talk about to her when she's unconscious? does he apologize for his actions in blood of apocalypse or anything? does he say anything alluding to him possibly working undercover?
"So here we are again, chére. Like I never left you. It's a pity you can't hear me, because I was looking to apologize. Yeah, I know. Not something I was ever good at. Even before I went and had that talk with Apolcaypse. I went a long way away from you, Rogue. Without explaining. Without saying goodbye. And then I went a long way away from myself. Now I come back, and you're already gone. But you gonna survive this, je te jure. Even if you spit in my face. Even if you never let me explain. You don't end here. And you don't end like this."

[Nyssane]

I'm upset over the lack of Choi-drawn Frenzy. :(

[Cayman]

"So here we are again, chére. Like I never left you. It's a pity you can't hear me, because I was looking to apologize. Yeah, I know. Not something I was ever good at. Even before I went and had that talk with Apolcaypse. I went a long way away from you, Rogue. Without explaining. Without saying goodbye. And then I went a long way away from myself. Now I come back, and you're already gone. But you gonna survive this, je te jure. Even if you spit in my face. Even if you never let me explain. You don't end here. And you don't end like this."

Awww, that's so romantic.

[Spirit_of_Vengeance]

Finally, an issue that I actually enjoyed. I didn't really enjoy any of the other issues mostly due to in my opinion horrible art while in this one, it's very good.

[SincereAgape]

I like that Gambit line as well. It wasn't the best line I've ever read, but it certainly came from the heart of the rajun cajun.

[Christopher O]

I'm upset over the lack of Choi-drawn Frenzy. :(
He doesn't like strong black women.

[dotdotdot]

i completely agree with that review. really rough issue, carey's worst.
which is still saying its pretty damned decent.

[frog]

I want my copy. :(

[frog]

Comics in the last month have all seemed like the writers were rushing a little to get things wrapped up before Messiah Complex.

[kate-pryde]

This is easily Mike Carey's best issue, due to the Scott scene and flashback to Cable #20.

Although I hate to see any more Romy, the Rogue and Gambit scenes weren't too bad. Mike Choi is an improvement over Ramos.

[dotdotdot]

This is easily Mike Carey's best issue, due to the Scott scene and flashback to Cable #20.

Although I hate to see any more Romy, the Rogue and Gambit scenes weren't too bad. Mike Choi is an improvement over Ramos.

easily?
how is it easily?

[Nyssane]

:( I won't be able to get the issue until later in the week, but now you guys made me all disappointed with your bad reviews!

[Pach!]

:( I won't be able to get the issue until later in the week, but now you guys made me all disappointed with your bad reviews!

It is what it is. Is it a bad read? No. But truthfully nothing happens.. it's more of a "let's just chill until MC starts" However, Blindfold is always entertaining, Cyclops is starting to show his leadering skills, and some other high points. I liked it though. I would recommend it.

[jarrod]

Comics in the last month have all seemed like the writers were rushing a little to get things wrapped up before Messiah Complex.
Agreed, sort of strange, with all this preplanning you'd think there'd be more of a natural progression into things. :/

Unlike the other four though, Mike doesn't exactly have the luxury of thoroughly finishing his plots post MX though. :(

[frog]

It is what it is. Is it a bad read? No. But truthfully nothing happens.. it's more of a "let's just chill until MC starts" However, Blindfold is always entertaining, Cyclops is starting to show his leadering skills, and some other high points. I liked it though. I would recommend it.

Then it's more of a character moment issue? I usually like those more than the nonstop action ones, myself.

[Nyssane]

It is what it is. Is it a bad read? No. But truthfully nothing happens.. it's more of a "let's just chill until MC starts" However, Blindfold is always entertaining, Cyclops is starting to show his leadering skills, and some other high points. I liked it though. I would recommend it.

Oh, I'll still get it, if only because of hot Prism... but I'm not as hyped as I was before. You have DASHED the dreams of a hopeful fan, you MONSTER.

[frog]

Agreed, sort of strange, with all this preplanning you'd think there'd be more of a natural progression into things. :/

Unlike the other four though, Mike doesn't exactly have the luxury of thoroughly finishing his plots post MX though. :(

The last X-Factor really struck me as though PAD was trying to wrap things up as fast as he could. Maybe they had orginally planned for Messiah Complex to start next year?

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

Agreed, sort of strange, with all this preplanning you'd think there'd be more of a natural progression into things. :/

Unlike the other four though, Mike doesn't exactly have the luxury of thoroughly finishing his plots post MX though. :(

has there been an announcement about mike's title?

[Hi-Fi]

Oh, it was a nice issue, Nyssie! I'm just mad about Rogue's situation.

[blinkinrogue]

Oh, it was a nice issue, Nyssie! I'm just mad about Rogue's situation.

rogue should have been kicking marauder and acolyte butts by now....... i havent seen her in action in a long time. :mad:

[CaptainCanada]

Comics in the last month have all seemed like the writers were rushing a little to get things wrapped up before Messiah Complex.
Given how long they've known about this, that seems kind of odd (in Carey's case, he basically took a whole issue just for characters talking to each other about stuff that happened in previous issues, with no plot to speak of.

That said, this is the best Carey-written issue I've ever read, firstly because Bachalo and Ramos are nowhere in sight; Choi supplies excellent art. Second, because Carey discards the Grant-Morrison-JLA-on-speed-non-stop-incoherent-fighting pacing, and actually devotes some time to his characters.

[CE_Rap]

Bobby's dialogue with Sam was also great and provided us with awesome characterization!

Bobby: I made an idiot of myself. Let my guard down.
Sam: And you pants. Let's not forget them!

LOLZ!!!!

It was one of the greatest downtime issues I read, and also what we'd call "the calm before the storm" that Messiah CompleX will be!

HaHAa--I thought the SAME THING when i read that part, Mits:p

I liked it. I have absolutely no problem that it was slow because it wasn't boring. I like issues like these because it gives insight on characters. I liked seeing Bobby assert himself, I liked how Cyke was handled in this issue, REALLY liked Gambit and Mystique's interaction and REALLY Gambit and Rogue's "memories" moment. That was sweet, and I felt cool for a hot second because i recognized every scene:p

I was annoyed that Blindfold was talking....normally, though. I enjoyed reading her in other issues/other books because i love the way she talks in that "broken phrases" method of communication. It gave her a very unique "voice" that i didn't get this time. That bugged me, i gotta say. But, ah well.

ES was more of the same. I didn't mind it, and i suppose it closes the story. But man, you read it and you're just like...."yeah, okay." Seriously, Wanda needs to be resolved at some point in Marvel because...it's weird knowing that she's just hanging out in Transia with amnesia. If you don't look at it, you won't miss anything, i'm sorry to say.

I don't think Mike had the luxury to tie up the loose ends that he wanted to.:( That really sucks, but as has been said, it's not his fault. It does feel like every X-book just cut their stories short just for this big event----with all this attention, I really hope it doesn't turn out sub-par. But is Cable coming back in Messiah Complex? That'll probably be a dramatic scene if he is.

"Slow issue" doesn't mean "sucky issue." I recommend it.

[dotdotdot]

i thought endangered species was total class. i would have loved it to have taken up 4 full issues of the main title, with a scene or two each issue cutting away to show what's going on in this issue, 204, bit by bit.

[Omega Alpha]

ES was more of the same. I didn't mind it, and i suppose it closes the story. But man, you read it and you're just like...."yeah, okay." Seriously, Wanda needs to be resolved at some point in Marvel because...it's weird knowing that she's just hanging out in Transia with amnesia.

Except for the fact we don't know if she has amnesia or not. Both Bendis and Carey wrote as it being open for interpretation.

[CaptainCanada]

I have a question: when exactly does this arc take place? Because the end with Blindfold seems to imply that she's sensed the MC baby or something like that, but I've been operating under the assumption that the Uncanny team isn't back from space yet (since there's no mention of them here, when the X-Men's infrastructure is under total assault on all fronts (and Exodus' discussion of the current disposition of powerful telepaths in a previous issue).

[ExodusCloak]

Except for the fact we don't know if she has amnesia or not. Both Bendis and Carey wrote as it being open for interpretation.

Yeah...I actually got the impression that she knows full well what she did...

[CE_Rap]

Except for the fact we don't know if she has amnesia or not. Both Bendis and Carey wrote as it being open for interpretation.

actually---funny you should say that.

There was a split second where a thought passed through my head as she was leaving Hank after telling that story. I got this foreboding feeling that she really did know what she did--remembered it all.

[We R. Venom]

Oh man I liked this issue. Glad Bobby and Cyke got the chance to talk. It's always cool when they do. Hank and Bobby as well. this issue was well written of course, but what amazed me the most was art. I am convinced that Choi should draw X-men every second of his life. The detail is incredible and I hope he gets to draw some more issues later on.

[soulkiller]

The only thing I really dis-liked about this issue is that half of it was the back up ES story (which I really haven't enjoyed reading)!!!

The art was really nice though. I loved it when Bobby stood up to Scott. I snickered at Sam's comment to Bobby. And I LOVED seeing Rogue again. But man, I'm getting pretty tired of seeing her comatose in a bed. GIT UP AND FIGHT GIRL!!! :evilsmile

I enjoyed seeing Gambit and I'm curious as to what he's actually up to. And I'm left wondering how much of what's going to happen does Mystique know? Her comment seems to lead me to believe she knows more than anyone thinks she does.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The art was really nice though. I loved it when Bobby stood up to Scott. I snickered at Sam's comment to Bobby. And I LOVED seeing Rogue again. But man, I'm getting pretty tired of seeing her comatose in a bed. GIT UP AND FIGHT GIRL!!! :evilsmile

You do know she most likely won't do squat 'til she's rescued, right?

[soulkiller]

And who's to say that she actually gets rescued? :p

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And who's to say that she actually gets rescued? :p

Well, she ain't dying and sure as hell won't escape alone.

She's tough, but she can't exactly torch her way out of the Marauder's base. :p

EDIT: Btw, funny sig. :D

[CE_Rap]

Storm leads the charge, baby! wooo-hoo!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You do know the rescue mission will fail, right? Well, the first one anyway.

[Grunty]

Okay maybe its because i am actualy a Manga reader (Blade of the Immortal, Battle Angel Alita, GTO, Black Lagoon etc.) who jumped over to comics, but i really liked this issue.

As a Manga reader i am pretty much used to talk activ issues, which for me is perfectly normal and as enjoyable as an action packed issue (however its the mix that makes it).

Overall it was good. Not only did it adress things to come (messiah complex) but also the overall story since Rogue formed her team. Quite a trip they had so far wasn't it?
But its also kind of sad. After all the plans they had to form an outside team away from the mansion, in a flying oil tanker... now they (at least two of them) come back having got a heavy beating.

About the art, i think it was pretty nice. Okay Mister Sinister looked like Orichimaru or any other generic anime villian with to many female hormones but most of the other stuff was pretty nice.

I also liked those 90s flashback since it gives some kind of a nostalgic feeling, after all it was the time i first tried X-men comics.

What i also really liked was that Gambit used only a few french words. That is something which after some time becomes anoying if you ask me, so it was good that Carey kept it to a minimun.

The dailoge between Icemen and Cyclops gives me hope that we will still have another Rogue leaden team after MC.
While we are at Rogue, Remys comment "here we are again" seems to have a double meaning. First they are face to face again. But also in the antarctis. Which was where Rogue once droped Remy off because of his part during the Mutant Massacre (also shown in Rogues memorys).

By the way did someone notice that Lady Mastermind still has that X-men symbol on her belt? Pretty ironic isn't.

Last bit, what are all those tanks in Sinisters hidehout? Did he suddently decided to recreate the Matrix?

[CE_Rap]

You do know the rescue mission will fail, right? Well, the first one anyway.

Stop tellin' what I "DO KNOW" gottdamn it:p

who cares, it'll be a brawl. lookin' forward to it

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Stop tellin' what I "DO KNOW" gottdamn it:p

who cares, it'll be a brawl. lookin' forward to it

Should be fun indead.

Although the aftermath should be even funnier. Look at that roster. *Everyone* involved will probably wonder wtf went wrong. :D

[worstblogever]

My quick thoughts?

*Beast has the best bedside manner. Better than Reed, or anyone else in the Marvel U. (It's how he got Trish Tilby, I'd wager.)
*Scott getting angry at the Marauders... but a focused anger? Like Scott needs more incentive to f*** up Mr. Sinister. Now he killed Scott's kid. It's on, pastyface! X-Men mountin' a rescue!
*Mystique may be winning worst X-parent... but shooting Rogue was meant to incapacitate her and bring her to someone who might be willing to save her. And Essex doesn't have a choice. If he wants a peek at what's in the diaries, he's got to cure Rogue. Because Raven sure isn't telling. Total chess game between the two, and I like it. And the pawn Mystique wants to sacrifice is Gambit... not Rogue.
*Emma rolling her eyes at Kitty is well rendered emotive art by Choi... and hilarious.
*Bobby gets in Scott's grill. My take on if Rogue's seem succeeds/fails? Well, they saved the world, but failed the X-family. Serving a bigger, greater good, I think does make them a success.
*Gambit is tolerable in this book. And the fact that "twue wuv" might overcome the Hecatomb is romantic... I'll let it slide that it's also the most sacchrine thing I've seen during this arc.
*Exodus, for all his might, has to realize that Jedi braid he's got looks ridiculous. He needs a better stylist. And hanging with Mr. Sinister won't get you any fashion tips you'd want to take.
*Bobby and Sam trade notes about women that done them wrong. Sam is clever... and he needs to be more often.
*Blindfold reminds us that nosebleeds aren't sexy.
* Damn it, Wanda! What's the deal? Clint goes to see you, and you hump his brains out. After all Hank's been through, he tracks you down, and you just let him buy you coffee? He was another Avenger teammate of yours, and he went all that way. At least give him a handy to make him feel like the cost of air fare was worth the trip!
*Nightcrawler in his exchange with Beast was closer to how I picture Kurt being a good character. First and foremost, he's a loyal friend. And any "priest"-like notions about him are that people can confide in him, and blow off steam with him in a carefree, Errol Flynn pirate way when it counts.
*Beast might just cease to be whiny. About time.

And that's my thoughts.

[CE_Rap]

*Emma rolling her eyes at Kitty is well rendered emotive art by Choi... and hilarious.


I hated that shot, myself. Not the drawing of it (that was fine), but i felt like it was too much expression. SHe over exaggerated it and Emma is far to "cold shoulder/subtle bitch" to be that animated. That a look Kitty would do. A slight roll of Emma's eyes and a raised chin would been more than enough to get the idea across while staying true to her character.

---end of Artist Rant....

[worstblogever]

I hated that shot, myself. Not the drawing of it (that was fine), but i felt like it was too much expression. SHe over exaggerated it and Emma is far to "cold shoulder/subtle bitch" to be that animated. That a look Kitty would do. A slight roll of Emma's eyes and a raised chin would been more than enough to get the idea across while staying true to her character.

---end of Artist Rant....

With anyone else, Emma's subtle. But her and Kitty don't pull punches with each other. And Kitty does need to get over it. I mean, she's giving Emma grief about still being villainous, when she's been behaving (other than adultery, I mean) since Gen X. Meanwhile, Kitty didn't ever comment on Mystique/Gambit/Sabertooth/Lady Mastermind at any point. The fact that she rides Emma is a total personal hangup by Kitty, and she needs to get over herself. Emma's a bitch, we know. But she's the bitch who's been a pretty effective and surprisingly loyal member of the team now. Let it go, Katherine. Lest Emma have to go total googly-eyes like this... ":rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: "on you in front of your Tin Man.

[Mikl C]

Good god the art was gorgeous. I wanted to fuck EVERYONE in this issue.
Especially Bobby. Woof.

Story is progressing nicely, and whatever. I like Rogue and Gambit. There I said it.

Also: Endangered species.. that's it? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I was like ok so... what?
WASTE OF PAPER.
Poor trees.

[CE_Rap]

With anyone else, Emma's subtle. But her and Kitty don't pull punches with each other. And Kitty does need to get over it. I mean, she's giving Emma grief about still being villainous, when she's been behaving (other than adultery, I mean) since Gen X. Meanwhile, Kitty didn't ever comment on Mystique/Gambit/Sabertooth/Lady Mastermind at any point. The fact that she rides Emma is a total personal hangup by Kitty, and she needs to get over herself. Emma's a bitch, we know. But she's the bitch who's been a pretty effective and surprisingly loyal member of the team now. Let it go, Katherine. Lest Emma have to go total googly-eyes like this... " :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: "on you in front of your Tin Man.

she's touchy cuz Emma was her first............

and you never forget your first:p

still think less would've been more, from a visual stand point (more like Astonishing, ya kno?), bu tit's all good.

[f4faith]

Mystique may be winning worst X-parent... but shooting Rogue was meant to incapacitate her and bring her to someone who might be willing to save her.

She did not have to shoot her to do that. A needle would have worked just as well. She had the time to get jiggy with Iceman - she had the time and was on the inside to incapaciate Rogue without having to shoot her. Yes it makes it all melodramatic for her to shoot her but it also makes it competely obnoxious to me to hear all her protesting how she cares. If anything is and has been sacchrine in this, it's been Mystique's protesting her love for Rogue and the wanting to justify her actions when she did not have to do what she did no matter if she felt Sinister could help Rogue or not. Carey's writing her that way and thinking she's the hottest thing ever isn't changing that to me.

And Essex doesn't have a choice.

Sure he does. He could just rip if out of Mystique's mind and be danged her psi shield. Those have not stopped powerful psi attacks before and Sinister doesn't care if it hurts Mystique to do so. I'm sure as long as he thinks he can get something out of Rogue, he'll take the "easier" way but I'm hoping Sinister turns on Mystique and shows her why he is way scarier than she is.

And the pawn Mystique wants to sacrifice is Gambit... not Rogue.

Oh that's very clear. I get the impression from the comments she keeps making to him that she expects him to die during this.

Damn it, Wanda! What's the deal? Clint goes to see you, and you hump his brains out. After all Hank's been through, he tracks you down, and you just let him buy you coffee? He was another Avenger teammate of yours, and he went all that way. At least give him a handy to make him feel like the cost of air fare was worth the trip!

Sad but true.

But she's the bitch who's been a pretty effective

In Astonishing - don't tell it to the New X-Men kids.

[worstblogever]

Sure he does. He could just rip if out of Mystique's mind and be danged her psi shield. Those have not stopped powerful psi attacks before and Sinister doesn't care if it hurts Mystique to do so. I'm sure as long as he thinks he can get something out of Rogue, he'll take the "easier" way but I'm hoping Sinister turns on Mystique and shows her why he is way scarier than she is.


Actually, haven't they said that Mystique is practically immune to telepathy, from all the cover identities she's had? She's somehow mercurial, and hard for psis to get a hold of solid memories or motives. Xavier and Emma have both stated this. (Members of the big bad 5 telepath club, recognize.)

[caney]

I really enjoyed this issue. Carey's run has been action action action action and more action. It's nice to have a non-action issue to reflect back on all that's happened and forshadow events to come.

The art was sexariftastic! I loved how Choi pulled off the powering up effect for Bobby during his argument with Scott.

I'm loving the posturing going on between Sinister and Mystique and, to a lesser extent, Gambit. I can't wait to see how that turns out during the crossover.

The Bobby and Sam moment was nice as well. I want to see them both come face to face with their "exes" at some point.

I guess the end of this issue is the exact moment the crossover starts. I'm all ready for it now!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

About Mystique's psy-shields...

Well, there's always the old-fashioned way.

You know, beat it out of the untrustworthy psycho and get it over with.

Which Sins hasn't done yet, hum, because...?

[The Lucky One]

Good god the art was gorgeous. I wanted to fuck EVERYONE in this issue.

Clearly you missed Exodus' mullet.

I can say that because I used to rock the mull myself. It was... not pretty.

-D

[worstblogever]

About Mystique's psy-shields...

Well, there's always the old-fashioned way.

You know, beat it out of the untrustworthy psycho and get it over with.

Which Sins hasn't done yet, hum, because...?

What would Monty say....? SHORTPACK!

Seriously, and to elaborate on that, Raven's a smart girl. She probably has already told Sins if he steps out of line, she's got an intermediary who will DEFINITELY betray him to the X-Men if anything happens to her. A safe-deposit box thing, maybe? I dunno. Regardless, Mystique is still a valuable asset, provided you keep her happy, and her blade away from your throat until you get what you need from her. Same way Sins has his relationship with Exodus right now. It's terse, but Essex still has consider them just valuable enough to not say "Screw it. Marauders, dogpile on this skank. And while you're at it, get the guy with the Jedi hairdo."

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What would Monty say....? SHORTPACK!

Totally. :D


Seriously, and to elaborate on that, Raven's a smart girl. She probably has already told Sins if he steps out of line, she's got an intermediary who will DEFINITELY betray him to the X-Men if anything happens to her. A safe-deposit box thing, maybe? I dunno. Regardless, Mystique is still a valuable asset, provided you keep her happy, and her blade away from your throat until you get what you need from her. Same way Sins has his relationship with Exodus right now. It's terse, but Essex still has consider them just valuable enough to not say "Screw it. Marauders, dogpile on this skank. And while you're at it, get the guy with the Jedi hairdo."

Sure, but Exodus is *kinda* more of a threat/asset than Blue. In any whatsoever relevant way.

I'm still not sure I buy Blue being that big of an asset after the initial ambush. And I like Blue.

[CE_Rap]

Totally. :D



Sure, but Exodus is *kinda* more of a threat/asset than Blue. In any whatsoever relevant way.

I'm still not sure I buy Blue being that big of an asset after the initial ambush. And I like Blue.

Me too---well, not so much that i like her, but i feel the same way.

I think it just goes to show how pragmatic Sinsister is---that's always been what i liked about him more than anything. He's SUPER calm, cool and collected---never almost never getting overly passionate or emotional. I don't care what anybody here says, Mystique is still in the picture because ESSEX deems so. Period. I don't but that she has any supposed leverage on him, unless it's some stupid punk-mechanism that we never heard of.

Sinister is essentially biding his time, saying to himself "Just let this bitch keep thinking she has power over me---it's all good." I would LOVE to see her get pwned during MC by Essex, to prove inexorably that in the game of masterminds, she wasn't even a player.

[Toboe]

Fantastic issue, might be my favourite from Carey's run so far. Probably becuase I always enjoy talky issues a lot more than non-stop action ones with incomprehensible art.

Choi's art looked gorgeous. His Bobby is my platonic love now. <333
Mystique's expresion when she was telling Gambit they had something in common was grat, and Emma's snark at Kitty was hillarious. Gambit and Rogue's moment was even touching.

Excellent character moments everywhere. Bobby's concern over Sam and their interaction was a nice touch, and I loved Sam's comment on Bobby's pants. I knew it! LOL
I'm glad we got to see some chat between Bobby and Hank, as well as his discussion with Cyclops. Bobby's got some balls. And it seems Cyclops is getting his back. Cable's death pushing him to be at his best worked perfectly.

We're getting some insight on Mystique now. Some tension brewing with her and Sinister. And how she's trying to save Rogue by getting Gambit killed with the same shot was awesome.

Now I can not wait for Messiah Complex to start!

[jarrod]

Actually, haven't they said that Mystique is practically immune to telepathy, from all the cover identities she's had? She's somehow mercurial, and hard for psis to get a hold of solid memories or motives. Xavier and Emma have both stated this. (Members of the big bad 5 telepath club, recognize.)
Yep... The Shadow King couldn't get to her either iirc, which is why he sent Val to off her.

Rogue's similarly resistant to telepathy thanks to to her altered Kree physiology though. Gambit too actually, though that might be thanks to Sinister versus something inherent in his powers.

[AnthonyJ]

Which Sins hasn't done yet, hum, because...?
Because physical interrogation is lousy at getting people to tell the truth? Sure, they'll talk, but they tend to make stuff up, and Mystique is dishonest enough that, sufficiently pressed, she probably wouldn't even know what the truth was.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

How about the sheer fun of beating the f**k of insubordinate brats?

Sure, Sins wouldn't snap after one incident. Still, he'd totally save it for later and keep count.

[The Lucky One]

Yep... The Shadow King couldn't get to her either iirc, which is why he sent Val to off her.

Rogue's similarly resistant to telepathy thanks to to her altered Kree physiology though. Gambit too actually, though that might be thanks to Sinister versus something inherent in his powers.

With Gambit, I think Xavier remarked that it was hard to grab hold of his thoughts because they were slippery, fluid like quicksilver, "like the man himself." With Rogue, it was because she had Ms. Marvel's personality rattling around inside her head too, creating psi-interference (and after that, maybe just because of the Kree physiology). Since Rogue lost Ms. Marvel's powers, though, I don't think it's been mentioned whether she's still psi-resistant or not. (Well, of course post-Hecatomb she is more than ever...)

-D

[worstblogever]

How about the sheer fun of beating the f**k of insubordinate brats?

Sure, Sins wouldn't snap after one incident. Still, he'd totally save it for later and keep count.

Sins effed Sam up. He's content on proving he can pwn for about 28 days, until his Aunt Flo comes back.

[Mitsaso]

Is there any chance that Mike Choi and Sonia Oback are doing the art in X-Men after the crossover?
Considering that Ramos has bussiness with Runaways and New X-Men, it can't be just Bachalo on art from now on, someone has to draw some of the arcs, right?:(

pleaseMarvelmakeithappenI'llcomedownthereandorally serviceeachandeveryoneofyou!!!

[Brian M.]

Is there any chance that Mike Choi and Sonia Oback are doing the art in X-Men after the crossover?
Considering that Ramos has bussiness with Runaways and New X-Men, it can't be just Bachalo on art from now on, someone has to draw some of the arcs, right?:(

pleaseMarvelmakeithappenI'llcomedownthereandorally serviceeachandeveryoneofyou!!!

I wouldn't worry about art chores on X-Men after the crossover. Just saying.

[worstblogever]

Considering that Ramos has bussiness with Runaways and New X-Men

Aw, man. At least his art is best suited to drawing children and teens... but his art on X-Men and Wolverine has me seriously trying to avoid him to cleanse my palate for awhile. I prefer him in small doses.

[Mitsaso]

I wouldn't worry about art chores on X-Men after the crossover. Just saying.

Say it isn't so!!!:eek:

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

brian, you tease! ;)

[rilokyle]

I wouldn't worry about art chores on X-Men after the crossover. Just saying.

You really think they're going to cancel Adjectiveless?? I hope not!!


Screw X-Force!

[frog]

You really think they're going to cancel Adjectiveless?? I hope not!!


Screw X-Force!

Quite a few of us think it's going to be cancelled from various clues. I'm not at all happy about it.

[Red Lotus]

For a talking head issue, this was pretty good.

I like the whole thing with Scott. I'm wondering if the team he picks to go after Sinister will be X-force.

I really like the look inside the bad guys heads.

Rogue/Gambit was great even if I never want to see them hook again.


With Gambit, I think Xavier remarked that it was hard to grab hold of his thoughts because they were slippery, fluid like quicksilver, "like the man himself." With Rogue, it was because she had Ms. Marvel's personality rattling around inside her head too, creating psi-interference (and after that, maybe just because of the Kree physiology). Since Rogue lost Ms. Marvel's powers, though, I don't think it's been mentioned whether she's still psi-resistant or not. (Well, of course post-Hecatomb she is more than ever...)

-D

I think Xavier said it was due to Gambit's powers that it was like static interference when trying to read his mind, then he said it would be like trying to pick up snake covered in baby oil.

But I do think Sinister did some thing because he was able to detect Psylocke when she was trying to read his mind.

[rilokyle]

Quite a few of us think it's going to be cancelled from various clues. I'm not at all happy about it.

Especially if its in favor of supporting that new X-Force which we ALL know will not last long. Simply ludarcris on Marvel's part.

[worstblogever]

Anyone have a timeline for when the Rogue/Gambit mindscape images take place?

The one on the right, I think Rogue's wearing the outfit from when Gambit was revealed to be working with Sinister.

[xmanson]

Anyone have a timeline for when the Rogue/Gambit mindscape images take place?

The one on the right, I think Rogue's wearing the outfit from when Gambit was revealed to be working with Sinister.

And are those drect quotes from the issues?

One of them reminds me of when Bishop first attacked Gambit. When Rogue is laying on Remy I think it's X-Treme X-Men. The other right after the trial, a ride in the park right before or after Fatal Attractions, and another when Rogue was blinded after X-Cutioner's Song.

My guesses. And if i'm right, godamn, I'm such a huge nerd.

[Michael P]

So, the burning question in my mind: When did Mr. Sinister become a fan of Marilyn Manson?

[xmanson]

So, the burning question in my mind: When did Mr. Sinister become a fan of Marilyn Manson?

Did Sinny get boobies too?

http://gfx.filmweb.pl/blog/180985/167490.1.jpg

[DDM]

Yep... The Shadow King couldn't get to her either iirc, which is why he sent Val to off her.

Rogue's similarly resistant to telepathy thanks to to her altered Kree physiology though. Gambit too actually, though that might be thanks to Sinister versus something inherent in his powers.

The Shadow King did corrupt Rogue in Chris Claremont's last issue of Uncanny X-Men #278 because the "Ms. Marvel" psyche had been killed by Magneto in Uncanny X-Men #269; worse, since Rogue's mind was not able to be read by telepaths, she was not trained psychic resistance by Xavier. This made Rogue particularly vulnerable to the powerful Shadow King...

[Faded]

I think I'll love this. I really love an issue where characters sit around and talk, so who knows if I'll agree with our lenient tyrant's review.

I can't wait! Hopefully I'll be able to grab a copy soon. I don't have time to go to the LCS and it'll probably be sold out by Friday. BOO.

[Petes Pants]

Am I the only one who didn't like the art? I didn't find any of those people all that attractive. It was soulless.

I like a little dirt.

[Funkdmonkey]

The art is simply leaps and bounds ahead from the crappy showings in previous issues.

[Petes Pants]

Well, if we're just talking about comparison, sure. I could drop a deuce that was prettier than some of the things our eyes were subjected to under Ramos.

[xmanson]

Well, if we're just talking about comparison, sure. I could drop a deuce that was prettier than some of the things our eyes were subjected to under Ramos.

I was gonna post this exact same quote.

[Michael P]

Am I the only one who didn't like the art? I didn't find any of those people all that attractive. It was soulless.

I like a little dirt.

It looked like a Final Fantasy cut scene. I can't say much for the composition either.

I'll take Ramos over this any day. At least he has energy.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I read the spoilers and all...I HATE the fact I'll have to sit through too much Gambit, Rogue, and Cyclops but Carey writes a excellent Sinister and Exodus, so I will be getting this tomorrow morning when I run my errands.

[Maestro]

This art is excellent and who ever says otherwise has bad taste.

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/6/10/24/f_XMen204m_e703902.jpg

[Petes Pants]

I like Maestro.

[Volk1]

His take on Iceman’s hair was a bit odd, but that’s neither here nor there… Have you seen Ramos' 12 foot high spikes on Bobby?


Also, I get that a lot of readers are kinda dumb, but if Gambit is going to be this outright about his actual loyalties, why not just come right out and SAY it, rather than make it a “mystery” in name only?
I don't know why this sounds pompous to me and I get what you're saying but if Mike Carey chooses not to outright have Gambit declare his motives then as a reader I'll trust him in doing so, because who knows what Mike has up his sleeve for Gambit? And unlike us readers, I don't think Sinister is very "dumb" at all and is prepared for a contingency should Remy's "loyalties" go awry.


Good stand alone issue. No Riptide though. :( And I would love to have seen Choi make Frenzy beautiful.

Does Choi continue or is it Bachalo/Ramos again?

And a mention of Serafina is pure GOLD. :)

And there was a lot of homosexual innuendo between Bobby and Sam. Is Mike playing with the fans here or what? This time around I felt it was coming more from Sam though...:confused:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Read the thing. Will grab my copy tomorrow. :D

Gotta say, liked it as a stand-alone-with-nothing-happening issue. Gorgeous art and what you got was pretty much what needed to be adressed.

And yes, major bonus points for Sins saying his patience has limits. Can't wait for him to beat the f**k out of a few select characters. :D

Oh, and about ES. Man, a while back I thought I'd read the whole thing in one go, but I'm just not sure I can after this. The chapters with Dark Beast, sure. The rest in one go...? Man, was that thing a bust or what? :eek:

[Hi-Fi]

Read the thing. Will grab my copy tomorrow. :D

Gotta say, liked it as a stand-alone-with-nothing-happening issue. Gorgeous art and what you got was pretty much what needed to be adressed.

And yes, major bonus points for Sins saying his patience has limits. Can't wait for him to beat the f**k out of a few select characters. :D

Oh, and about ES. Man, a while back I thought I'd read the whole thing in one go, but I'm just not sure I can after this. The chapters with Dark Beast, sure. The rest in one go...? Man, was that thing a bust or what? :eek:
Wait a minute!!! You're NOT gonna adress the fact that Scott finally blamed Rogue for everything?? Oh c'mon, you've been waiting for this scene for like forever!:D


And ugh, I actually know the exact issues of every Rogue/Gambit image from her mind.

[Volk1]

Oh, and about ES. Man, a while back I thought I'd read the whole thing in one go, but I'm just not sure I can after this. The chapters with Dark Beast, sure. The rest in one go...? Man, was that thing a bust or what? :eek:

The best thing that I got out of it was that Gaia is still powered. :)

[frog]

Oh, and about ES. Man, a while back I thought I'd read the whole thing in one go, but I'm just not sure I can after this. The chapters with Dark Beast, sure. The rest in one go...? Man, was that thing a bust or what? :eek:

I liked it, especially all the alternate Beasts. I'm also happy DB got smacked around some.

It is being released in a trade according to Amazon.com.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait a minute!!! You're NOT gonna adress the fact that Scott finally blamed Rogue for everything?? Oh c'mon, you've been waiting for this scene for like forever!:D

But he didn't *really* and won't since of the whole P.O.W thingy. All he said was that she had it wrong and hinted about not having her lead a team. True satisfaction hasn't been achieved yet. :p

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

About ES:

Well, hey, as I said, I really liked the Dark Beast chapters and a few others. Maybe, what, 9-10 out of 17?

Still, reading the whole thing in one sitting will most likely put me in a coma.

[Callisto]

Actually, haven't they said that Mystique is practically immune to telepathy, from all the cover identities she's had? She's somehow mercurial, and hard for psis to get a hold of solid memories or motives. Xavier and Emma have both stated this. (Members of the big bad 5 telepath club, recognize.)


exactly. but perhaps mystique has the psi shields as back up.

[rilokyle]

This art is excellent and who ever says otherwise has bad taste.

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/6/10/24/f_XMen204m_e703902.jpg

Wow, that IS really gorgeous. I like how he incorporated little details of the artists who originally drew these scenes. I see a little Jim Lee here, and a little Joe Mad there. Very nice touch! I can't wait to pick this up tomorrow!

I know a lot of the posters here don't like Gambit & Rogue as a couple, but I do, especially in the 90s during Lobdell's run. This montage is bringing back all the good memories I have of them. And God, I really do love UXM #350: that scene where Rogue leaves Remy in Antartica is one of my personal favorites.

[AstonishingXMan]

WHY IS MR. SINISTER WEARING THICK BLACK LIPSTICK IN SEVERAL PANELS?!?!?!?

Later, his lips are white (talk w/ Exodus).

He looks like Mrs. Sinister. Or maybe Exodus and he did some smooching and it rubbed off.

I found this hilarious. Long black-haired Sinister has gigantic black lips during the scenes w/ Gambit, Mystique, Marauders, and Rogue.

[Brian M.]

Wow, that IS really gorgeous. I like how he incorporated little details of the artists who originally drew these scenes. I see a little Jim Lee here, and a little Joe Mad there. Very nice touch! I can't wait to pick this up tomorrow!

I know a lot of the posters here don't like Gambit & Rogue as a couple, but I do, especially in the 90s during Lobdell's run. This montage is bringing back all the good memories I have of them. And God, I really do love UXM #350: that scene where Rogue leaves Remy in Antartica is one of my personal favorites.

Yea, that scene in X-Men #24 is really good, that is one of my favorite downtime issues.

[We R. Venom]

Yea, that scene in X-Men #24 is really good, that is one of my favorite downtime issues.

I'm gonna have to agree with that. Mike teased about Gambit and Rogue interaction in this book for so long, and it was much more than i expected.

[AstonishingXMan]

I doubt Choi can do the quality of fight scenes like we've seen in the past several issues.

Otherwise, simply no reason he isn't the full-time artist already.

[Brian M.]

I doubt Choi can do the quality of fight scenes like we've seen in the past several issues.

Otherwise, simply no reason he isn't the full-time artist already.

Actually there is a great reason. He's exclusive Top Cow (sp)? Marvel and TC have a deal where some of their writers help write and their artists help draw. Tyler Kirkman is an example. But they only do mini's and one-shots.

[booga]

i get the feeling choi must take much longer to do his art than bachalo, etc

[ProfeZZor X]

I loved the issue! Carey delivers, yet again!
Mike Choi's art is wonderful, making Iceman look like a total wet dream!
The interaction between Scott and Bobby was great, and I loved the way they were about to blast each other! Finally Bobby grew some balls!
I loved the two-page spread in Rogue's mind and Mystique's lines to Gambit.
Bobby's dialogue with Sam was also great and provided us with awesome characterization!

Bobby: I made an idiot of myself. Let my guard down.
Sam: And you pants. Let's not forget them!

LOLZ!!!!:D :D :D

It was one of the greatest downtime issues I read, and also what we'd call "the calm before the storm" that Messiah CompleX will be!

I couldn't have said it better myself... great issue. :D

Now if someone could scan in the 2nd Bobby/Scott page, I can get rid of this old avatar.

[CaptainCanada]

Does Choi continue or is it Bachalo/Ramos again?

Bachalo does the crossover issues for this title (Ramos is on New X-Men).
I doubt Choi can do the quality of fight scenes like we've seen in the past several issues.
X-23: Target X had good fight scenes (and Bachalo/Ramos' stuff is just abysmal in fights; it's impossible to tell what's happening a lot of the time).

[streator]

hey, cool, we get to see rogue's shi'ar outfit again. i always liked that.

[creaky]

*Nightcrawler in his exchange with Beast was closer to how I picture Kurt being a good character. First and foremost, he's a loyal friend. And any "priest"-like notions about him are that people can confide in him, and blow off steam with him in a carefree, Errol Flynn pirate way when it counts.

There was Nightcrawlerage in this issue?? By Mike Carey?? Anyone between me and the comic shop is toast.

[rilokyle]

i get the feeling choi must take much longer to do his art than bachalo, etc

I don't think so actually. I'm not 100% certain but his X-23: Target X mini came out on time each month I believe, as did his arcs on Witchblade.

[Omega Alpha]

There was Nightcrawlerage in this issue?? By Mike Carey?? Anyone between me and the comic shop is toast.

Good news: He was in.

Bad news: On Endangered Species.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good news: He was in.

Bad news: On Endangered Species.

Badder news: Two chapters of ES. Kurt appearing in, what, 2-3 pages?

[MakeshiftHero]

Whew, I'm so glad Cannonball is awake and speaking normaly. I was worried he would either be in a coma or become a drooling potato for a while and not know how to use his powers.

The are was great! I loved every pannel even if Sinister looked like he was a 20 year-old anime character.

I'm just glad that MC is coming out weekly cause I don't think I could take waiting a month for each book to come out.

Here's hoping the delay trend (Spider-Man One more day, WWH, etc.) doesnt hit MC.

[creaky]

Badder news: Two chapters of ES. Kurt appearing in, what, 2-3 pages?

Dude, I'm a Nightcrawler fan. I'm DESPERATE.

[Cam Man]

Didn't Blindfold say something about bad things in store for Wagner? If your a Nightcrawler fan, then I'm sorry. Doesn't look good considering whats in store.

[Mystique's Rogue]

Will get mine this weekend. Not much fan of the art, although I'm glad that Rogue and Gambit are on the cover, but XM # 24 is still the best Remy/Rogue cover.

[Anna]

Didn't Blindfold say something about bad things in store for Wagner? If your a Nightcrawler fan, then I'm sorry. Doesn't look good considering whats in store.

He's one of the people who will be injured.

[creaky]

Didn't Blindfold say something about bad things in store for Wagner? If your a Nightcrawler fan, then I'm sorry. Doesn't look good considering whats in store.

Oh, I didn't miss that. But actually, I'm just relieved something will HAPPEN to him. He's been wallpaper for so long and I consider that worse than, say, paralyzed in a hospital bed. And since there's been talk about bringing him back into swashbuckling mode and he didn't appear in the "one of these characters will DIE" pic that was so hyped, I will save my heartburn for now.

[ProfeZZor X]

I still can't believe how magnificent Choi's art is. It's a shame the previous artists...:( what's his name:( ... will be back to continue to do Mike's great work on the book more injustice.

PS - Can someone please scan the 2nd Bobby/Scott page where they both power up.

[maschine9]

Choi's art (to me) is a diluted Silvestri inspired waste of space, worse than even Mike Turner.

I can't believe so many people on this board are fanning their faces over how wonderful they think it is!?

The art had it's moments, it wasn't awful it got the point across, but I'd take the nuance, creativity and originality of Bachalo any day over it. I find that if given the time to develope outside the influence of other's Choi may have potential, but as of this issue (not having familiarity with prior work) I'm not impressed.

[Bigmike]

I still can't believe how magnificent Choi's art is. It's a shame the previous artists...:( what's his name:( ... will be back to continue to do Mike's great work on the book more injustice.

PS - Can someone please scan the 2nd Bobby/Scott page where they both power up.

this one?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2024/bobbyandcyke2pl1.jpg

[podmark]

An interesting aftermath issue, but not much really happened in it. I found Scott and Bobby's confrontation pretty interesting though. I liked that Cable got som spotlight and that someone actually remembers that Karima has been posessed. Plus Cyclops was wearing the X-jacket again! Yay!

I'm not huge on Choi's art. It's alright but doesn't do much for me. Plus he draws all the guys too pretty, Sinister was just...wrong :(

[worstblogever]

WHY IS MR. SINISTER WEARING THICK BLACK LIPSTICK IN SEVERAL PANELS?!?!?!?


Because DC had SuperMAN Prime do it this week, too (At least that's what the last panel looked like.) Good thing they're in different universes, or they'd be fighting like two women who wore the same dress to prom.

[skylight]

I still can't believe how magnificent Choi's art is. It's a shame the previous artists...:( what's his name:( ... will be back to continue to do Mike's great work on the book more injustice.

PS - Can someone please scan the 2nd Bobby/Scott page where they both power up.

But Chris Bachalo's art is great as well

[Yoshi]

I like Bachalo's art but it makes everyone look like a child, to me.

[blinkinrogue]

I give the xmen story an A. i simply loved it and was aided by the good art.


Regarding endangered species... I was thoroughly confused. what was beast and wanda talking exactly??? all those stories and I didnt even get what they were talking about.

[blinkinrogue]

My quick thoughts?

*Beast has the best bedside manner. Better than Reed, or anyone else in the Marvel U. (It's how he got Trish Tilby, I'd wager.)
*Scott getting angry at the Marauders... but a focused anger? Like Scott needs more incentive to f*** up Mr. Sinister. Now he killed Scott's kid. It's on, pastyface! X-Men mountin' a rescue!
*Mystique may be winning worst X-parent... but shooting Rogue was meant to incapacitate her and bring her to someone who might be willing to save her. And Essex doesn't have a choice. If he wants a peek at what's in the diaries, he's got to cure Rogue. Because Raven sure isn't telling. Total chess game between the two, and I like it. And the pawn Mystique wants to sacrifice is Gambit... not Rogue.
*Emma rolling her eyes at Kitty is well rendered emotive art by Choi... and hilarious.
*Bobby gets in Scott's grill. My take on if Rogue's seem succeeds/fails? Well, they saved the world, but failed the X-family. Serving a bigger, greater good, I think does make them a success.
*Gambit is tolerable in this book. And the fact that "twue wuv" might overcome the Hecatomb is romantic... I'll let it slide that it's also the most sacchrine thing I've seen during this arc.
*Exodus, for all his might, has to realize that Jedi braid he's got looks ridiculous. He needs a better stylist. And hanging with Mr. Sinister won't get you any fashion tips you'd want to take.
*Bobby and Sam trade notes about women that done them wrong. Sam is clever... and he needs to be more often.
*Blindfold reminds us that nosebleeds aren't sexy.
* Damn it, Wanda! What's the deal? Clint goes to see you, and you hump his brains out. After all Hank's been through, he tracks you down, and you just let him buy you coffee? He was another Avenger teammate of yours, and he went all that way. At least give him a handy to make him feel like the cost of air fare was worth the trip!
*Nightcrawler in his exchange with Beast was closer to how I picture Kurt being a good character. First and foremost, he's a loyal friend. And any "priest"-like notions about him are that people can confide in him, and blow off steam with him in a carefree, Errol Flynn pirate way when it counts.
*Beast might just cease to be whiny. About time.

And that's my thoughts.

GOOD POINT>

[ProfeZZor X]

this one?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2024/bobbyandcyke2pl1.jpg

Many thanks compadre... :D

[North-Star]

The above scene, is a truly great Bobby scene... I was reading so quick, 'cos I wanted 'Clops to say that Bobby is going to have his own team during this battle. That he thinks what Bobby did was amazing, that he and Bobby should do a sauna together.... No, seriously... 'Clops needs to see (hehe) that Iceman is the shizzle from now on. Maybe even a leader.

I'm lovin' this arc and sooooooo looking forward to Messiah Complex. Scott is going to be bad ass fantastic. He just needs to give Bobby his own team in the process.... (I mean if Surge can lead a team:cool: )

Pretty good issue though. lovin' Sam mentioning Serafina (Now there's a cute couple), the Emma/Kitty interaction. Gambit revealing his "true" alliance, Mystique getting angry, Sinisters hairdue... and that Blindfold oeh oeh oeh...

suspension bitches!!

[ProfeZZor X]

The above scene, is a truly great Bobby scene... I was reading so quick, 'cos I wanted 'Clops to say that Bobby is going to have his own team during this battle. That he thinks what Bobby did was amazing, that he and Bobby should do a sauna together.... No, seriously... 'Clops needs to see (hehe) that Iceman is the shizzle from now on. Maybe even a leader.

I'm lovin' this arc and sooooooo looking forward to Messiah Complex. Scott is going to be bad ass fantastic. He just needs to give Bobby his own team in the process.... (I mean if Surge can lead a team:cool: )

Pretty good issue though. lovin' Sam mentioning Serafina (Now there's a cute couple), the Emma/Kitty interaction. Gambit revealing his "true" alliance, Mystique getting angry, Sinisters hairdue... and that Blindfold oeh oeh oeh...

suspension bitches!!

It would be great if Scott allowed Bobby to lead a new team in wake of Rogue being incapacitated, and his concern over thr welfare of his comrades. But like you said, there are far less qualified people leading teams, so I don't see what the problem would be. It could easily be written in, since both Rogue and Sam need time to recooperate, and some of the other students are ready to move on to bigger things.

If Mike is truly off this book, which I fear that he will be, I'd love for him to put that into motion, since he seems to really like the character. That would make it a lot harder for the next writer to pull Bobby out of that role, in case they have no love for him and want to put him in the background again.

[just another user]

I was a bit disappointed about some plot points that looked like they were going to have larger repercussions -

Sam - seems mentally back to normal. Although this is good for Sam it makes Sinister's mindwipe look pretty ineffective.

Gambit - obviously still a good guy. Obviously it wasn't a mistake when he destroyed the diaries last issue.

And Raven is likely to be back to the character she was before she "turned" on the X Men.

IMO the art was pretty bland too, good work from the colourist though. Looking forward to Bachelo next issue.

[Agent_Torpor]

Finally digested the issue, and, as feared, the Choi art left me cold. All characters pristine and neatly scrubbed. Hell, I was dying for a Leinil Yu-like pencil scribble here and there.

[xmanson]

Blindfold needs to die soon, her "shtick" is already old and tired.

And the coloring is what really makes the art look great, The penmcil work reminds me of Mark Brooks, only more effeminate.

[ZNOP]

What?!? Wait Cable is dead too? Does Rachel know yet? Oh, do I need money bad. Spoilers are just not enough.

[Hi-Fi]

Blindfold needs to die soon, her "shtick" is already old and tired.
:evilangry

STFU. Sage being possessed is old and tired. Blindfold is awesome.

[CmX]

This was a really good issue I loved it! I wish Carey would write XMen forever, but Marvel is weird like that.

[xmanson]

:evilangry

STFU. Sage being possessed is old and tired. Blindfold is awesome.

People are so damn rude here. :(



Too bad Blindfold didn't go away Tomy-style.

[Hi-Fi]

People are so damn rude here. :(



Too bad Blindfold didn't go away Tomy-style.
Tommy's death is too good to be replayed.

[ClanAskani]

What?!? Wait Cable is dead too? Does Rachel know yet? Oh, do I need money bad. Spoilers are just not enough.

It is kind of strange that no one mentioned trying to find other time travelers - like Rachel - who might have knowledge of the future or others who have read the diaries. I guess there might not be all that much time to contact Rachel in space or to try to find someone like Blaquesmith, but the situation is rather desperate.

On the other hand, if someone from the future or who had read the diaries knew something important - i.e. on this date this huge event is going to happen - wouldn't they have warned everyone well in advance?

Other than that, it was a very good issue. I'm glad to have a downtime issue in between all the craziness that has been and will be happening.

I'm glad to see Scott grieving over Nathan. Bobby defending Rogue's leadership decisions was also terrific.

[CmX]

It doesn't surprise me that a CC Zombie would dislike a creation of Whedon's... LOL

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh oh, ZING.

Not the biggest fan of Blindfold, but she's fine.

Crazy oracle with no eyes. Beats Claremazons any day in my book.

And shame for even thinking Blindfold's worse than Armor. ;)

[ZNOP]

It is kind of strange that no one mentioned trying to find other time travelers - like Rachel - who might have knowledge of the future or others who have read the diaries.

Hmmm??? That is strange. Yet, on the other hand wouldn't that be too easy;)

Speaking of time travelers... And, Rachel in particular. Despite it being said that she is unique in the multiverse -- (something I refuse to accept :p ) I wonder what it would take to erase her from 616? I, for one fully expect Jean to return again:D Scott, to drop Emma like solid carbon dioxide and Rachel to be conceived. Yes, I do!

[Nyssane]

I got the issue earlier but I had to go to class. :(

I loved it, I don't know why you guys thought it was one of Carey's weaker issues. It had lots of character development, and I luffed it.

Iceman under Carey is probably my favorite male X-Man... Cyke was being such a dick to him! I was glad Bobby told him off, and I hope there's a wedge between the two later on in Messiah CompleX.

The Gambit and Rogue scenes were touching, also. I know most people don't like the relationship, but I was always sort of indifferent... I found it cute, but never really invested much time into fawning over the coupling. But I'm glad both Gambit and Mystique are looking out for Rogue's safety.

Prism ass was hott.

I'm glad Exodus told Sinister off, haw haw. I just hope that the preview shot we saw of the X-Men battling the Marauders and Acolytes isn't just lumped into a page or two... IMO the battle should take up an issue or two.

The art was hella sexy... but I don't know, it didn't seem to fit the book much. I'd love to see Choi on other books, though.

[frog]

Oh oh, ZING.

Not the biggest fan of Blindfold, but she's fine.

Crazy oracle with no eyes. Beats Claremazons any day in my book.

And shame for even thinking Blindfold's worse than Armor. ;)

Blindfold and Armor win.

They are the new Destiny and Mystique.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Iceman under Carey is probably my favorite male X-Man... Cyke was being such a dick to him!

...??

If anything, Cyke was rather civilized compared to, say, the very person Bobby is defending. Irony isn't lost on you, right?

I was glad Bobby told him off, and I hope there's a wedge between the two later on in Messiah CompleX.

Probably will be, eh.

[Hi-Fi]

LOL, Rogue is a lot of things, but she's not an uncivilized person!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

They are the new Destiny and Mystique.

Never thought of it that way, lol. :D

I can't help but wonder...

How funny would it be if Blindfold started pulling pranks (or psychological warfare, I guess) by walking around and telling people "My b**ch you'll be. Just you wait, sweetcheeks"??

People would totally freak out, wouldn't they? :D

[caney]

I loved it, I don't know why you guys thought it was one of Carey's weaker issues. It had lots of character development, and I luffed it.

Iceman under Carey is probably my favorite male X-Man... Cyke was being such a dick to him! I was glad Bobby told him off, and I hope there's a wedge between the two later on in Messiah CompleX.


I loved it too, Clint. Talkie issues are always great and Bobby was very talkie in this one! It was a very nice calm before the storm issue with super sexy art!

[frog]

Never thought of it that way, lol. :D

I can't help but wonder...

How funny would it be if Blindfold started pulling pranks (or psychological warfare, I guess) by walking around and telling people "My b**ch you'll be. Just you wait, sweetcheeks"??

People would totally freak out, wouldn't they? :D

I know I'd freak out.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

LOL, Rogue is a lot of things, but she's not an uncivilized person!

Didn't mean it that literally.

Was just saying Cyke didn't quite tell Bobby to f**k off like Rogue pretty much did with him. Hell, Cyke actually HUMORED him.

Bobby throwing a hissy fit is kinda funny considering how little Cyke did actually say and suggest.

[Faded]

I got this issue like four hours ago, but I was stuck on the ad for Spider-Man: Friend or Foe. I'm fixated on being Black Cat and whooping ass. OMFNO, watch out.

I rather liked this issue. It was nice seeing the X-Men regroup at the mansion and form their plan before heading out into the battlefield again. Iceman and Cyclops' conversation didn't flow well the first time around, but by the second read I could feel Scott's contained anger and I was excited about Bobby's dedication to his team--and what I felt like was a determination for redemption in Rogue and Sam's honor. It really helped tie together Mike's run on the title and was a really well-done, unbiased argument IMO.

I'm still so over Gambit and Rogue. Mike's dialogue was really sweet, but the time's definitely still not right and the right time may never come.

Mystique's words to Gambit are very ominous. I'm unsure if Marvel would go the same route as the Ultimate Universe, but if this isn't foreshadowing I don't know what is (though of course, it could also lead to Rogue permanently absorbing Mystique--which I like less since I actually like Mystique, don't like her powers for a hero, and its already been widely speculated).

As I said, I think Bobby and Sam have a really nice relationship. Whether homoeroticism drips from their washboard abs or are having a really normal, cool friendly talk, they are just incredible together. I really like this Sam. He's the only character I didn't connect with from Carey's cast, but that charming southern boy with a big heart was in this issue and I ADORE it.

I didn't read ES yet, but as far as art goes this was one of Eaton's hits.

LONG ASS POST END.

[rilokyle]

I also just picked this up a few hours ago, and I loved it!

And OMG, I knew I was going to love the art because I'm familiar with Mike Choi, but holy mother of God it was so incredibly beautiful. I'm still in awe I think. His Bobby is so effing adorable. And HOT. Can we please get Choi on an x-book Marvel? I saw NO indication that he was "on loan" from Top Cow anywhere in the comic, so perhaps his contract with them is over? Let's hope so.

As for the issue, it was a really strong, character driven issue. I loved the Bobby/Scott scene (FIERCE!), as well as the Gambit/Rogue/Mystique clusterf*ck stuff. I'm very interested to see what each one wants with Rogue. That girl is going to need some serious therapy when all is said and done.

The best part was the Bobby/Sam scenes at the end. They are SO heterosexual lifemates like Burt and Ernie. Or maybe bisexual? Whatever, I love their relationship either way.

As for the ES conclusion- what a dud. I'm sorely disapointed but whatever. It's FINALLY over and done with. At least the art looked great for once. Eaton's really stepping up his game which is nice.

[Brian M.]

Cyclops was right.

Great issue.

[Slant]

Cyclops was right.

Someone put this on a T-shirt. :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Someone put this on a T-shirt. :D

Amen.

Hell, considering what's happening over in Ultimate X-Men, this just might be Cyke's "I was right, you f****n a$$holes" year. :D

[Pyro]

I liked the issue a lot. It really felt like the calm before the storm. The art was pretty, but a little too pretty. Still much preferable to what Ramos has been giving us lately. I love Bobby and Sam's relationship. Hopefully they and Rogue can be a team again. I loved how Carey sort of reflected on the events of his run so far. That last page with a bleeding blindfold was creepy and ominous as hell.

I actually found the final ES chapters very interesting. I love Wanda and I love seeing her play the ambiguously amnesiac girl. She's so mysterious now, doing her own thing over in Transia/Wundergore?. During her meeting with Hank, she came off as very knowing, yet she still didn't offer any facts up about anything. I think her point was even if you get what you wish for, you may not necessarily be better off. But I'm not really sure what that has to do with the overall story. I know that picture of the guy with a thousand eyes freaked me out though.

[creaky]

X-men #204: LOVED Emma's eye-roll. But seriously, Kitty, grow up.

Did Gambit and Mystique just decide to form a truce? I can't help but get the image of two mean rival kids building a sandcastle together in the middle of a storm. Let the stabbing begin: back, front and groin!

As for ES:
All Kurt's conversations tend to boil down to this formula: [insert name here] is brooding. Kurt tries to talk sense into [insert name here], [insert name here] rebuts, Kurt insists on talking sense, [insert name here] gives a little, but ultimately dismisses Kurt. Conversation then has no impact on [insert name here] after that. Insert a liberal amount of "mein freund"s to remind everyone that Kurt is GERMAN. Publish.

Kurt was HOT, though. Hubba. :cool:

I liked the final scene with Beast burying the bodies. Wanda's scenes just passed me by - probably because I'm not intimately familiar with the character.
It was a nice read, though. Carey's writing always is. And both Choi and Eaton's art serves to bring the story home.

[drwho]

I thought this issue was awesome. Great art and nice showcase of Cyclops. It has been awhile since he has done anything. Only thing I didn't like is Gambit trying to get with Rogue. Also Mr. Sinister looks too much like a pretty boy rockstar.

[justin gilchrist]

Excellent issue. It was nice to have a bit of reflection on what's happened before Messiah Complex starts. The character development with Sam and Bobby, and Scott and Emma was great.

Mike Choi is a godsend! The art is such an improvement. Choi does draw the men alittle feminine, but I'll take that over Ramos any day.

[steve2275]

this one?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2024/bobbyandcyke2pl1.jpg


which begs the question
is this REALLY afer ast
or is really before?

[xmanson]

It doesn't surprise me that a CC Zombie would dislike a creation of Whedon's... LOL


..........................................

[Brian M.]

Might wanna edit that. Trust me. Banning isn't worth it.

[jarrod]

Might wanna edit that. Trust me. Banning isn't worth it.
Which one, cmx or xmansion? ;)

[Brian M.]

Which one, cmx or xmansion? ;)

Well I like xmanson. So him.

[xmanson]

Might wanna edit that. Trust me. Banning isn't worth it.

Yeah, just did.

Didn't really want to, but well... :/

[Brian M.]

Yeah, just did.

Didn't really want to, but well... :/

Trust me, I know. I've had to get back and edit mine many many times. Least no one quoted you.

[Hi-Fi]

Yeah, just did.

Didn't really want to, but well... :/
Embrace you love for Blindfold and all will be well... ;)

[caney]

Cyclops was right.

Great issue.

Exactly. Scott was right to put Rogue in charge. If Rogue's team was never formed the world's population would have been destroyed by Hecatomb, as Bobby told him. :)

[Hi-Fi]

Let's not forget that Cyclops was the one who came up with the LOVELY idea of open sanctuary to every mutant out there. Offer that Creed quickly accepted.

[rilokyle]

I miss Sabretooth. Is he legit dead? I know he got his head cut off in Wolverine, but didn't he die in the pages of X-Men or Cable&Deadpool or something too? Marvel continuity is so shady like that.....

Whatever the case, we all know he'll be back. I kinda miss the guy, you know? And at least he didn't betray the team like those women.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I haven't enjoyed a Carey issue this much i a long time!! Actually, it read a lot like an issue of X-Factor:) .

Choi's art is absolutely beautiful. Everyone was so "pretty"! Except that I don't like Sinister looking "pretty", but it is a fair exchange for Emma looking so delicious.

I like how Bobby looked like he was actually made of ice for the first time ever, instead of just covered in it. I love it love love love love it.

How many more issues is Choi going to be drawing? As detailed as he draws/colors, I can't see him doing a regular gig.


The only thing I really dis-liked about this issue is that half of it was the back up ES story (which I really haven't enjoyed reading)!!!

You realize that the issue was regular length, right? The ES stuff is all free, extra pages. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[frog]

My copy finally arrived in the mail. Beautiful issue, alarming ending!

As for Endangered Species, I felt so bad for Beast, but at least he's finally letting go.

It's going to be very hard to redeem Wanda after this. For heaven's sake, why didn't she just adopt?!?

[Phil Hunn]

It's going to be very hard to redeem Wanda after this. For heaven's sake, why didn't she just adopt?!?

Because she's a TOTALLY FREAKIN' INSANE reality-warper who dressed like a belly-dancer in order to "get closer to her heritage". I doubt any adoption agency on the planet would consider her a viable candidate ;)

[frog]

Because she's a TOTALLY FREAKIN' INSANE reality-warper who dressed like a belly-dancer in order to "get closer to her heritage". I doubt any adoption agency on the planet would consider her a viable candidate ;)

I bet baby mutants were hard to adopt out, however - at least while there still were baby mutants!

[Phil Hunn]

I bet baby mutants were hard to adopt out, however - at least while there still were baby mutants!

I suspect you may be right on that one. I can't see your average village-fete type wanting to adopt a mutant, for a start...

[ProfeZZor X]

I haven't enjoyed a Carey issue this much i a long time!! Actually, it read a lot like an issue of X-Factor:) .

Choi's art is absolutely beautiful. Everyone was so "pretty"! Except that I don't like Sinister looking "pretty", but it is a fair exchange for Emma looking so delicious.

I like how Bobby looked like he was actually made of ice for the first time ever, instead of just covered in it. I love it love love love love it.

Like you, I was looking forward to Choi representing some of the X-Men's powers. Particularly Bobby's... And it turned out far better than anything I've even seen in print..... Better than Boris Valejo himself. Well, at least his version of Iceman anyway.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Better than Boris Valejo himself. Well, at least his version of Iceman anyway.

Wait, anyone has a scan of that? Really dig some of the his (and his wife's) work.

And yeah, iced Bobby did look f****n awesome.

Drama queen or not. :D

[Callisto]

Because she's a TOTALLY FREAKIN' INSANE reality-warper who dressed like a belly-dancer in order to "get closer to her heritage". I doubt any adoption agency on the planet would consider her a viable candidate ;)

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAHAHAHHHAAHHAAH so true.

[Fatguy]

FINALLY read the issue.

Sigh, sounds like Nightcrawler's going to get hurt. I hope that doesnt mean he'll be shoved off into the background AGAIN. :(

Choi's art was nice, I liked his Sinister. He looked like an Anime character.

[Mystique's Rogue]

Am I the only one who didn't like the art? I didn't find any of those people all that attractive. It was soulless.

I like a little dirt.


You're not the only one. Wish Jim Lee would draw Rogue again, or Marc Silvestri.

[Mystique's Rogue]

Wow, that IS really gorgeous. I like how he incorporated little details of the artists who originally drew these scenes. I see a little Jim Lee here, and a little Joe Mad there. Very nice touch! I can't wait to pick this up tomorrow!

I know a lot of the posters here don't like Gambit & Rogue as a couple, but I do, especially in the 90s during Lobdell's run. This montage is bringing back all the good memories I have of them. And God, I really do love UXM #350: that scene where Rogue leaves Remy in Antartica is one of my personal favorites.


I'm a Rogue and Gambit fan but I don't know any Romy fan who "loved it" when Rogue left Gambit in Antarctica. Most of us hate it.

[Canemacar]

I'm a Rogue and Gambit fan but I don't know any Romy fan who "loved it" when Rogue left Gambit in Antarctica. Most of us hate it.

Personally, I only hate what came after it. There was a lot of cool story potential in #350, but Marvel shot it all to hell and neither Gambit, nor Romy has been worth a damn ever since.

[HotRod_Tim]

After finally getting a chance to read this ish, I came out of the whole thing forgetting I had just read it. Literally, nothing happens this issue. Sure, there are alot of excellent character moments, but their situation could progress a little in the middle of it all. Choi's art this issue, on the other hand, was phenomenal. I'd like to see his art on the book as a regular. All in all, this ish had its good reads every now and then, but pretty much, meh.

[ProfeZZor X]

Wait, anyone has a scan of that? Really dig some of the his (and his wife's) work.

And yeah, iced Bobby did look f****n awesome.

Drama queen or not. :D

Shouldn't previews be out for the next issue already?

http://members.westnet.com.au/hgunter/boris/mm96/mm9622.jpg

[soulkiller]

All they have are those panels out for 205 for any previews I've seen for the issue. Try popcultureshock. No actual full pages with words or anything though. At least, that's all I've seen so far.

[jackolover]

What is that story about the Mermaids comb supposed to signify, when Beast goes to visit Wanda? Is it supposed to say there is danger in what you wish for? Or when Wanda said 'no more mutants', did she also depower herself as part of that wish?

[Selene]

What is that story about the Mermaids comb supposed to signify, when Beast goes to visit Wanda? Is it supposed to say there is danger in what you wish for? Or when Wanda said 'no more mutants', did she also depower herself as part of that wish?
We don't know if Wanda depowered herself in the process.Apparently,the story was supposed to signify that even after you get what you wish for,you can still be worse than before.

[The Black Guardian]

What is that story about the Mermaids comb supposed to signify, when Beast goes to visit Wanda? Is it supposed to say there is danger in what you wish for? Or when Wanda said 'no more mutants', did she also depower herself as part of that wish?
She's saying that if Hank tries to change things, she's going to turn him into a newt.

[jackolover]

We don't know if Wanda depowered herself in the process.Apparently,the story was supposed to signify that even after you get what you wish for,you can still be worse than before.

So if Wanda said you can be worse than before the wish, is she saying she regrets making the wish? That the wish has made it worse for her, instead of better? What is worse for her?

[jackolover]

We don't know if Wanda depowered herself in the process.Apparently,the story was supposed to signify that even after you get what you wish for,you can still be worse than before.

So if Wanda said you can be worse than before the wish, is she saying she regrets making the wish? That the wish has made it worse for her, instead of better? What is worse for her?

Wanda appears to be very powerful, sexually, in both this story and the New Avengers story with Clint Barton. What is up with that? She moves easily among men even though she is unmarried, herself, in a deeply Wundagorean villiage. That may be sexist, but in that part of Europe, a lady doesn't just walk up to man and start conversations of such intimate quality. She acts like she knows both these men, (Beast and Hawkeye), as well as stating she had never met them before. Is she lying?

[Selene]

So if Wanda said you can be worse than before the wish, is she saying she regrets making the wish? That the wish has made it worse for her, instead of better? What is worse for her?
I have no idea.Endangered Species was a very nice story,but it was also confusing at some parts.
Wanda appears to be very powerful, sexually, in both this story and the New Avengers story with Clint Barton. What is up with that? She moves easily among men even though she is unmarried, herself, in a deeply Wundagorean villiage. That may be sexist, but in that part of Europe, a lady doesn't just walk up to man and start conversations of such intimate quality. She acts like she knows both these men, (Beast and Hawkeye), as well as stating she had never met them before. Is she lying?
Er...Didn't you know that Wanda has lost every memory of hers of being a mutant after the Decimation?

[jackolover]

I have no idea.Endangered Species was a very nice story,but it was also confusing at some parts.

Er...Didn't you know that Wanda has lost every memory of hers of being a mutant after the Decimation?

That's why I'm writing these posts to try and clarify some of the confusing parts.

Yes, I am aware that Wanda acts like she has lost her memory, but I don't trust her.

[Selene]

Who could trust her,after what she did?

Is it true that she's returning in Dark Reign?

[jackolover]

Who could trust her,after what she did?

Is it true that she's returning in Dark Reign?

I saw Wandas picture on one of the Avengers covers, so unless it's someone else dressed as her, Wanda looks like returning.

[Selene]

Plus,I heard a rumor that she will wipe away the Skrulls!

[jackolover]

Plus,I heard a rumor that she will wipe away the Skrulls!

I saw that statement, " No more Skrulls" somewhere, but it wasn't Wanda. It was in Captain Britain, and Wisdom said it, and it got rid of all the Skrulls in England only.

[tent]

Endangered Species Was A Total Waste Of Time And Solved Nothing.

It Had No Point No Plot And No Ending...

[Dagger]

Endangered Species Was A Total Waste Of Time And Solved Nothing.

It Had No Point No Plot And No Ending...

And made Hank even more boring than before.

[DeadXMan]

it was chalk full of Dark Beast goodness.

and that, good sir, is full of win

[The Black Guardian]

Who could trust her,after what she did?
That's why I interpreted it as a veiled threat. She (or her puppet master) was basically telling Hank that if he tries to change things, she's going to f--- him up beyond all recognition. I think her meetings with both Clint and Hank were what she (or her puppet master) allowed to happen, else why haven't other people found her? Considering the surreal circumstances of both meetings, I don't doubt for a second that she still has her powers.

[jackolover]

That's why I interpreted it as a veiled threat. She (or her puppet master) was basically telling Hank that if he tries to change things, she's going to f--- him up beyond all recognition. I think her meetings with both Clint and Hank were what she (or her puppet master) allowed to happen, else why haven't other people found her? Considering the surreal circumstances of both meetings, I don't doubt for a second that she still has her powers.

I wonder how she gets back into the Avengers? Does she just show up on the doorstep, and ask for a place in the team?

[Pro]

That may be sexist, but in that part of Europe, a lady doesn't just walk up to man and start conversations of such intimate quality.

When was the last time you went to eastern europe? These days ladies are lined up along the road ready to start "conversations of intimate quality".

[Anna]

I wonder how she gets back into the Avengers? Does she just show up on the doorstep, and ask for a place in the team?



She assures them that she's all better, and won't do any of those weird things again.

[The Black Guardian]

I wonder how she gets back into the Avengers? Does she just show up on the doorstep, and ask for a place in the team?
I'm not convinced that is really her.

[jackolover]

When was the last time you went to eastern europe? These days ladies are lined up along the road ready to start "conversations of intimate quality".

Depends on which part of the city you go, but I take your point.

[jackolover]

I'm not convinced that is really her.

It's a wait and see thing, isn't it?