X-Men: Die By the Sword #2 - Review and Spoilers

[Brian Cronin]

I find it hard to believe that this storyline is going as it was originally intended, as it seems far too rushed to be planned this way. In that sense, it reads a lot like the end of Chris Claremont's run on New Excalibur, where it felt quite slapped together, as though plot elements meant to be spread out over two issues were now being resolved in a panel. Such a process makes it quite difficult to produce a good comic, and a good comic X-Men: Die by the Sword #2 is not.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/0.231860001192572177image_big.jpg

The basic set-up of the crossover is not a bad one. The Captain Britain Corps were based on the concept of the Omniverse, which is something the Exiles could easily be fit into, as well (The Omniverse basically being a place of alternate worlds). So a threat TO the Omniverse would logically involve both Excalibur (Captain Britain's team) and Exiles (who travel through the Omniverse fixing what once went wrong - or something like that).

However, that's not really HOW the two teams get back together, as it is more Psylocke trying to save her brother, so they get transported to the Exiles' medical facility, where the two teams meet, and we get a reunion between Nocturne and her former Exile teammates and Dazzler with Longshot.

However, as I mentioned before, things are so slap dash, Nocturne basically gets no panel time for her reunions (and, as others have mentioned, also no mention about the fact that, in the time since Nocturne last saw her boyfriend, Thunderbird, she was pregnant - and now she is not, and one would certainly think that that would be a topic of conversation, no? Everyone's pal, Ben, discusses that topic on his blog here (http://novayahavoc.blogspot.com/2007/10/chris-claremont-tells-fan-off.html)).

And Dazzler's reunion with Longshot is basically done through a series of quick panels - "Omigod! Longshot! Omigod! He doesn't remember me! Omigod! Maybe Mojo did something to him! Omigod! Maybe Mojo did something to me!" As mentioned before, the phrase I would use to describe it would be "slap dash."

Rouge Mort, meanwhile, is still silly looking, and Juan Santacruz does not exactly come off very good in this comic, as his art looks as rushed as the story itself. I know Santacruz can draw well - he just is not doing a very good job with this series.

Other things...

- the male Mystique, we barely know, and yet he gets this big heart-to-heart with Dazzler, for some odd reason.

- there are some "the devils" in the comic

- Quantum Leap should take a lesson from the Exiles - "leaping from world to world, sent by God, Fate, Time or...Dave Cockrum!"

- I REALLY don't get the whole "Thunderbird is now a macho lunkhead" thing. I mean, that's fair enough personality for a character, but it really isn't THIS character, like, at ALL. Strange.

I like the basic cliffhanger, where the Captain Britain Corps are going head to head with Captain Britain's greatest enemies (his brother, Jamie, and TWO Furies). That was good.

The rest?

Not so much.

Not Recommended.

-Brian

[The Sword Is Drawn]

That was pretty much how I felt with #1 as well, unfortunately. It seems a little odd. Reading NEX #24 last week, I thoight the characterisation wasn't spot on, but at least by and large the dialogue wasn't too unconvincing. Yet in Die by the Sword there was a lot of unconvincing and unneccesary speaking thoughts out loud.

I also kinda object to how Thunderbird appears to be partly sliding into Huggernaut role. Thunderbird was always almost devoid of emotional response on eXiles. Apocalypse had taken that side of him away. He never smiled, he always appeared tortured. That's not what we've been seeing here. And that concerns me a little.

[Karl H]

That was pretty much how I felt with #1 as well, unfortunately. It seems a little odd. Reading NEX #24 last week, I thoight the characterisation wasn't spot on, but at least by and large the dialogue wasn't too unconvincing. Yet in Die by the Sword there was a lot of unconvincing and unneccesary speaking thoughts out loud.

I also kinda object to how Thunderbird appears to be partly sliding into Huggernaut role. Thunderbird was always almost devoid of emotional response on eXiles. Apocalypse had taken that side of him away. He never smiled, he always appeared tortured. That's not what we've been seeing here. And that concerns me a little.

I'm not reading the book - may pick up the trade but it does sound like the Thunderbird character is moving away from what Winnick made him. Then again, I'm feeling this in Exiles too.

[ImpulseUCF]

Nocturne basically gets no panel time for her reunions (and, as others have mentioned, also no mention about the fact that, in the time since Nocturne last saw her boyfriend, Thunderbird, she was pregnant - and now she is not, and one would certainly think that that would be a topic of conversation, no?Which asks the obvious question...WHY in the hell bother reuniting them if you have no intention or desire to write a bloody reunion?! CC could be ruining any generic set of AU characters but instead he is pissing on half of my favorites. He's just going to force them into his stereotypical archetypes, anyway,

- the male Mystique, we barely know, and yet he gets this big heart-to-heart with Dazzler, for some odd reason. CC did the same thing in Exiles where suddenly out of nowhere Psylocke and Morph were like, so totally BFF 4EVA!!
- there are some "the devils" in the comicIt wouldn't be CC without the obligatory snippets of terrible dialogue
- I REALLY don't get the whole "Thunderbird is now a macho lunkhead" thing. I mean, that's fair enough personality for a character, but it really isn't THIS character, like, at ALL. Strange.Strange? Nah. Surprising? No way. Disappointing? Yeah... once again, we have CC forcing the characters in his cast into the same archetypes he uses in everything he writes. CC's Thunderbird is completely interchangeable with Huggernaut is completely interchangeable with any generic strong guy. So, it makes you wonder why he picked the character with so much baggage and established characterization if he plans to ignore it all and write the character his own way. Like he did with Nocturne...

[jarrod]

I like the basic cliffhanger, where the Captain Britain Corps are going head to head with Captain Britain's greatest enemies (his brother, Jamie, and TWO Furies). That was good.
Wait, Jamie's in this?! Or did you mean James Jaspers (who *isn't* a Braddock)?

[Hi-Fi]

Sounds bad. Does Exiles Rogue do anything important, Brian? Does Dazzler interact with her?

[jarrod]

Sounds bad. Does Exiles Rogue do anything important, Brian? Does Dazzler interact with her?
I think they should slug it out over Longshot. :D

[Hi-Fi]

I think they should slug it out over Longshot. :D

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6127/roguevsse8.jpg

Good times.

[jarrod]

ZOMG, Rogue rocks the rollers like no other! :eek:


I wonder if she can sing too...

[worstblogever]

This comic did inspire me to do one good thing. I've taken to wearing otomatopoeia in place of my underwear, too. It's surprisingly liberating. Thanks for the idea, Claremont. ;)

[Fatguy]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6127/roguevsse8.jpg

Good times.

LOL thanks for this!

Rogue + Rollerskates = Best she's ever been.

[ImpulseUCF]

LOL thanks for this!

Rogue + Rollerskates = Best she's ever been.Wow. Even the dialogue seemed much fresher and less offensive at the time. That was a reasonable exchange between to younger WOMEN (read: adults in 20s or 30s) having a pissing contest over a man. No "What the DEVIL?!"s or "You're good. I'm BETTER! Now it's MY TURN!" although the posturing is the same, the actual dialogue is different.

Oh, CC, you used to write so well.

[jarrod]

Wow. Even the dialogue seemed much fresher and less offensive at the time. That was a reasonable exchange between to younger WOMEN (read: adults in 20s or 30s) having a pissing contest over a man. No "What the DEVIL?!"s or "You're good. I'm BETTER! Now it's MY TURN!" although the posturing is the same, the actual dialogue is different.

Oh, CC, you used to write so well.
Actually, Rogue would've been just 18/19 at that point. Al shoulda known better than pick on a teenager, whatta bully. :P

[Mitsaso]

The issue was -I dare say- even worse than the last one!

Dazzler and Wisdom banging? lol! Poor Ali looked so fugly in this issue, I wonder how Wisdom even thought about doing her! The ONE saving grace in this issue, though, was (I admit it, although Novaya will HATE me for this!) Wisdom wandering around shirtless with that sexy tie on! *blush*
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/HOT-NOT.jpg


And the reunions, GOD, the reunions were so poorly written. Let me showcase the originality in the dialogue when some exile sees a NEXer after a long time (and vice versa)...
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/thatyou1.jpg
TJ?? Is that you?????

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/thatyou2.jpg
TJ???Is that you???

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/mitsaso/thatyou3.jpg
Longshot? Is that you?!?!?!?

No! It's somebody else who looks like me. Why d'ya ask!?!?!?
Granted, in a world where we see doppelgangers, alternate reality versions of oneself and robots and lookalikes, this questions can never be passe, but really? Three times in two pages? At least Morph was a little more original and asked "Is that REALLY you???"...

[jester1436]

Pete Wisdom needs a wax. He's not Wolverine.

AND THAT DAZZLER, WHAT THE HOLY FLYING FUG!

Worst art ever! EVER! She looks... ugh, so... just awful.

Morph looks like a brain damaged horse.

This is the nastiest mess of a comic all year.

[Tazirai]

Pete Wisdom needs a wax. He's not Wolverine.

AND THAT DAZZLER, WHAT THE HOLY FLYING FUG!

Worst art ever! EVER! She looks... ugh, so... just awful.

Morph looks like a brain damaged horse.

This is the nastiest mess of a comic all year.

Could not have said it better ^^.
At least dazzler isnt being treated like a sex kitten.

[Brian M.]

Dazzler looks fats. She should get the rollerskates out.

[jarrod]

Ew, I don't like bulky Pete. He should be *way* skinnier/lankier than that... think more along the lines of an over the hill Dior model.

[Brian M.]

Ew, I don't like bulky Pete. He should be *way* skinnier/lankier than that... think more along the lines of an over the hill Dior model.

Looks like Dazzler just had her legs put over her shoulders by Steve Dillon drawn Wolverine.

It's moments like that, that make me happy Jean is dead.

[jarrod]

Looks like Dazzler just had her legs put over her shoulders by Steve Dillon drawn Wolverine.
I'd say Dazzler looks like Jubilee having just had her legs put over her head by Dillion's Wolverine.

.....


Anyone else suddenly turned on? :/

[Mikl C]

This was the most hilariously bad comic I've ever read.
Seriously.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

At least dazzler isnt being treated like a sex kitten.

...And what we got was better?

Anyone else suddenly turned on? :/

Meh, would usually make cracks about the creepy factor of Wolvie having clingy teen sidekicks.

[ImpulseUCF]

At least dazzler isnt being treated like a sex kitten.No, she's being treated like a grizzled, worn-out alley cat.

[jarrod]

No, she's being treated like a grizzled, worn-out alley cat.
But uh... isn't that what she is? :D

[PatchMadripoor]

I've seen a lot better art on half-ass Fan fiction.

Terrible all around.

[ImpulseUCF]

But uh... isn't that what she is? :DUnder CC, "AL" sure is.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Under CC, "AL" sure is.

Ah, the destruction of good ol' Allie.

Man, I'm still laughing at how large was the club CC used. CC, Smash Allie, SMASH!!! :D

[jarrod]

Under CC, "AL" sure is.
I dunno, she had the "grizzled hasbeen" stink on her well before NEX, and she's nearing midlife crisis territory. If anything, Claremont's interpretation's probably been a bit kinder than when we saw her previously under Millar.

[ImpulseUCF]

I dunno, she had the "grizzled hasbeen" stink on her well before NEX, and she's nearing midlife crisis territory. If anything, Claremont's interpretation's probably been a bit kinder than when we saw her previously under Millar.I'm no expert, but I'm told she was on a minor upswing in her recent Cable appearances. CC hasn't been too unkind to her aside from painting her a grisly biker lesbian. :)

[worstblogever]

In this artist's rendering, Dazzler's haircut is starting to resemble a pink:

A) "Susan Powter" style
B) A Leukemia patient's while they undergo Chemo
C) fuzzy cover to a toilet seat lid
D) Other

[worstblogever]

I'd say that Longshot should ask... "Al, why do you smell like Pete Wisdom & sex?"

But'd that would bring up the question of why Longshot has taken care to take in, and memorize Wisdom's scent.

[CmX]

LMAO @ Dazz attempting suicide cause Longshot didn't remember her, omg that was so lame! CC are you serious!? Argh!

[worstblogever]

LMAO @ Dazz attempting suicide cause Longshot didn't remember her, omg that was so lame! CC are you serious!? Argh!

Is CC trying to say Dazz is that bad of a lay? Or so good, that it's what has caused Longshot's unexplained frequent memory loss? (she shags his brains out?) Discuss. :cool:

[drwho]

Did any of the other members tell TJ that that wasn't Morph? Odd Morph asking someone if they are who they are when he isn't who he is. lol

[Brian Cronin]

Did any of the other members tell TJ that that wasn't Morph? Odd Morph asking someone if they are who they are when he isn't who he is. lol

I'd imagine that their approach to that is just never mention it if Morph is not unconscious.

-Brian

[xmanson]

The art kept getting worse.

I'd give this usse a 5/10.

But godammit if that final page didn't make me all tingly in my pants. Great cliffhanger.

[worstblogever]

This was worse than even Kitty Pryde: Agent of SHIELD.

[drwho]

This was worse than even Kitty Pryde: Agent of SHIELD.

:D So how many that bought this issue will be coming back for more?

[xmanson]

:D So how many that bought this issue will be coming back for more?


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Never read the Kitty mini, but this isn't worse than that Astonishing one.

[worstblogever]

:D So how many that bought this issue will be coming back for more?

I didn't buy. I read it at the local LCS, and actually got material to do ten minutes of what amounted to stand-up based off of how bad it was. (the otomatopoeia thing and Rouge Mort were easy jokes to make) I got laughs, and they asked me if I'd have opinions ready on #3. This comic is like MS3TK. Making fun of it is more entertaining than the material itself.

[Joe Franklin]

I'm not buying this mini, so I won't bash on it hard. But those page scans posted in this review are Bwahahahahaha.....................:D

Glad I'm not buying this, but I will buy New Exiles #1, and give it a chance.

[streator]

what the devil? some of these scans made me laugh.

[rilokyle]

Wow, that is some BEAT art. I should be drawing for Marvel at this rate. Dazzler is FUGZ city and yeah, girlfriend has gained weight! And gotten uglier, if that is even possible. Oh Al Blair- what has happened to you?? And doesn't Pete Wisdom have any standards? He could do MUCH better. I bet Kitty will laugh when she finds out.

[jester1436]

This was worse than even Kitty Pryde: Agent of SHIELD.


I hold a soft spot in my heart for that mini. :mad:

But the general sentiment is true.

[Petes Pants]

I was just about to scan that fugtastic shot of Dazzler, but Mitsaso beat me to it. Pete's chest hair can stay.

This book is so awful, but I have so much fun reading it. Mainly because I'm thinking of you guys and all of the funny things you'll have to say about it.

Die By The Sword monthly anyone?

Oh yeah, wtf is the point of Rogue?

[Will.S]

Its books like this that give the X-office good reasons to phase him out of the X-titles.

I mean, it's a cool concept with the history of both teams but it's just not being done all that well which is why I didn't even bother buying it. I dropped New Excalibur as well.

[CmX]

Its books like this that give the X-office good reasons to phase him out of the X-titles.

I mean, it's a cool concept with the history of both teams but it's just not being done all that well which is why I didn't even bother buying it. I dropped New Excalibur as well.

The potential of this mini is there, but CC isn't realizing it much like most of his plots the last seven years.

[Will.S]

The potential of this mini is there, but CC isn't realizing it much like most of his plots the last seven years.
Yeah, I honestly think End of Greys was his best recent work thus far including the 2000 Revolution stuff.

[CmX]

Yeah, I honestly think End of Greys was his best recent work thus far including the 2000 Revolution stuff.

Yeah it wasn't bad I think it was the collaberation with Bachalo that did it cause the following arc was a total WTF moment.

[Slung]

Yeah, I honestly think End of Greys was his best recent work thus far including the 2000 Revolution stuff.

Eh, I thought his first four or so Uncanny issues in Revolution were pretty amazing. Best Storm, Gambit, Jean, Cable and Beast I had seen in quite a few years at the time. Not sure what happened to him after that.

[worstblogever]

I'm still trying to understand how a pink motorcycle=Spanish fly.

Wisdom: 'Ere you are. *presents pink Harley*
Dazz: SQUEE! *kisses Wisdom as panties instantly roll to her ankles*

This amounts to her prostituting herself for an ugly vehicle that matches her terrible hair. That's some real obsession about accessorization, right there.

[Dizzy D]

I'm still trying to understand how a pink motorcycle=Spanish fly.

Wisdom: 'Ere you are. *presents pink Harley*
Dazz: SQUEE! *kisses Wisdom as panties instantly roll to her ankles*

This amounts to her prostituting herself for an ugly vehicle that matches her terrible hair. That's some real obsession about accessorization, right there.

I'm more worried about Pete. He shot his previous girlfriend what.. about a month ago in Marvel time? Short mourning period, I'd say.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'm more worried about Pete. He shot his previous girlfriend what.. about a month ago in Marvel time? Short mourning period, I'd say.

Not to mention that he's still married, too. And that's one father-in-law, he has, who you don't want to piss off...:D

[Karl H]

Not to mention that he's still married, too. And that's one father-in-law, he has, who you don't want to piss off...:D

Yeah but it didn't happen in a CC book. :. not referenced? :p

Actually, I don't read NEX. But has anything out of Wisdom been addressed at all or not?

I'm assuming not?

Oh and Sword, someone said on YABS that Cornell's NOT now on Excalibur. Is this true or not?

[Lord Moon]

Yeah but it didn't happen in a CC book. :. not referenced? :p

Actually, I don't read NEX. But has anything out of Wisdom been addressed at all or not?

I'm assuming not?

Oh and Sword, someone said on YABS that Cornell's NOT now on Excalibur. Is this true or not?

This would be very bad news if true.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Oh and Sword, someone said on YABS that Cornell's NOT now on Excalibur. Is this true or not?

Not from anything that I've heard. A lot of people have read the final page of NEX #24 and decided this means Excalibur is cancelled. Period.

New Excalibur certainly IS no more. No date has been revealed for the start Cornell's Excalibur, but I think there has been such a lot of hate towards NEX that some people just want to believe it's gone forever.

Have you got a link to the story/post?

Nothing from Wisdom has ever been directly referenced in NEX, no. I would quite genuinely be interested to know what Claremont thought of the series. A large part of me doubts that he read it, and if that is the case then knowing it was written by the guy brought in to replace him is unlikely to make him want to read it now. :D

[Karl H]

Not from anything that I've heard. A lot of people have read the final page of NEX #24 and decided this means Excalibur is cancelled. Period.

New Excalibur certainly IS no more. No date has been revealed for the start Cornell's Excalibur, but I think there has been such a lot of hate towards NEX that some people just want to believe it's gone forever.

Have you got a link to the story/post?

Nothing from Wisdom has ever been directly referenced in NEX, no. I would quite genuinely be interested to know what Claremont thought of the series. A large part of me doubts that he read it, and if that is the case then knowing it was written by the guy brought in to replace him is unlikely to make him want to read it now. :D


Post 66 of this thread

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=195149&page=2

To be fair it may be the same confusion you alluded to in your earlier post!

[Brian M.]

Question: Carpet match drapes?

[psycho_mbb]

The first arc of the Exiles by Claremont wasn't so bad at all, but the end was pooorly writen. But then a bunch of endings really annoying, specially exiles 98 (What he was really trying do to exactly?)
The worst part is that he's coming back with Davis in Uncanny wasn't bad at all, and really fun, and till the arc of the End of the Greys his plts where fine.
(The Last Fallen had a great idea behind it, but the development, and the arts of Roger Cruz,,, ech).
I was really hoping something better by this, but in the booth editicions almost nothing seems to work. Even the art is very irregular.
Again, the plot seems fine, but it seems that is came from nothing to nowhere.
But what I really felt most is that Carey is really rocking in X-men (despite the abstrac "art" from Ramos), he likes the character Psylocke, and I would like to see her in his books. At least better than this it would be.

[jarrod]

Yeah it wasn't bad I think it was the collaberation with Bachalo that did it cause the following arc was a total WTF moment.
That's the way it's always been though... Claremont's only as good as his partner in crime and pretty famous for being more of a collaborator. When they're a great like Paul Smith or Art Adams or whoever, we tend to see Chris rising to that level alongside it. He also tends to give his artists a lot of discretion and leeway, he doesn't micromanage panels or visuals but tends to leave it up to the artist's abilities. Good or bad, it's just the way he works I guess... real shame he and Bachalo got booted from Uncanny before we could get that Space Epic (and then seeing what we got in it's place, ugh). Then again, I probably wouldn't have liked Carey's run half as much without Bachalo's art either. :/

[ImpulseUCF]

That's the way it's always been though... Claremont's only as good as his partner in crime and pretty famous for being more of a collaborator. When they're a great like Paul Smith or Art Adams or whoever, we tend to see Chris rising to that level alongside it. Yeah, I agree. I hate the term, but there is a lot of validity to the concept of synergy, i.e. the result is greater than the sum of its parts, i.e. 1 + 1 = more than 2. Having another person to bounce ideas off of and to filter, etc, just tends to produce better results. You get more checks and balances, more varied creativity, etc. CC is capable of great, great things, but he seems to work best in a team environment.
He also tends to give his artists a lot of discretion and leeway, he doesn't micromanage panels or visuals but tends to leave it up to the artist's abilities. Good or bad, it's just the way he works I guess... In that case, do you think he asks his artists to draw all of the characters in bondage gear, or do you think the artists just think CC wants the bondage gear based on his other stories so they keep it going? ;)
real shame he and Bachalo got booted from Uncanny before we could get that Space Epic (and then seeing what we got in it's place, ugh). Then again, I probably wouldn't have liked Carey's run half as much without Bachalo's art either. :/I completely agree. Except for the House of M crossover (which was still decent), CC & Bachalo were a GREAT team. I actually really liked CC's third run. It's a shame it was cut short. Aside from the one obligatory snippet of horrendous dialogue in each issue and the occasional shit plot (Dino Rachel) it was one of the stronger runs in a while.

[Keith_Martineau]

And what was also a major contributing factor from his better Uncanny arcs and the ones with bad ideas?

Cast size.

HoM was decent, and really only featured 3 to 4 characters. End of Greys kind of only featured ONE. When he grows his cast, his work becomes unfocused.

[jarrod]

Yeah, I agree. I hate the term, but there is a lot of validity to the concept of synergy, i.e. the result is greater than the sum of its parts, i.e. 1 + 1 = more than 2. Having another person to bounce ideas off of and to filter, etc, just tends to produce better results. You get more checks and balances, more varied creativity, etc. CC is capable of great, great things, but he seems to work best in a team environment.
Totally agreed, I don't think it's a coincidence that the man's best work since returning to the X-Men (End of Greys) came about after hours of face to face discussion with a talent like Bachalo. Claremont's a great ideas man, but he definitely needs a strong counter weight to pull in his more masturbatory tics and patterns.

Sort of a shame Claremont's been continually excluded from the X-Summits as well imo... I really hope editorial takes a more inclusive approach with Cornell.


In that case, do you think he asks his artists to draw all of the characters in bondage gear, or do you think the artists just think CC wants the bondage gear based on his other stories so they keep it going? ;)
Heh, likely a bit of both. Artists seem to have huge input on the characters though... following Rogue's visual transition from Smith to JRJR to Silvestri makes for a good example I think, as each case was pretty clearly in large part defined by the artist's concerns (Smith's classical streamline to JRJR's 80s rags and belts to Silvestri's sleeker model looks). Davis gave some nice insight about Claremont's character design process during Excalibur's formation as well... Claremont's only directive for Rachel was that she'd be growing into a "burgeoning, unconscious sexuality" and go back to the hound outfit, at which point Davis decided to enhance her musculature (among other "assets") and change her costume's leather from black to red (to show off Ray's gorwing attributes). He also filled out the rat tail with a full blown, flowing mullet (hey, it was 1988) and completely (and brilliantly) redsigned the Phoenix imagery and power signature to work better with Rachel's more "hands on" approach combat.

Then again, when we do get the proper artist, I think the BDSM thing comes crashing to the fore. Seeing Salva's design for Foxx, you'd almost think Claremont had a hand in it. :D


I completely agree. Except for the House of M crossover (which was still decent), CC & Bachalo were a GREAT team. I actually really liked CC's third run. It's a shame it was cut short. Aside from the one obligatory snippet of horrendous dialogue in each issue and the occasional shit plot (Dino Rachel) it was one of the stronger runs in a while.
I think HOM was confused largely by editorial miscommunication (the original planned story would've seen Betsy and Rachel unaffected by the woogie) and Davis' abrupt departure (this story was really written with him in mind). Bachalo did better than most would in the same situation I think, but it still really suffered.

Totally agreed on Claremont and Bachalo generally though, EOG hit on all the right beats and just sort of flowed effortlessly and naturally. There's a certain "classic" action sensibility that reminds me of what's making Carey's run so enjoyable too (heh, maybe it's Bachalo?). It's really a shame the following arc (Wand'ring Star) got nerfed immediately following, I think the Claremont/Bachalo space opera could've been really epic. Evil crazy Lilandra, Storm's (partial) paralysis, Rachel's revenge, Bishop and Deathbird's reunion, Kurt stepping up to proactive leader, the Brood extinction, a possible Kurt/Betsy/Sam/Lila love polygon... so many good character beats, plus Bachalo's visuals of complex and strange alien worlds? Now that's a story I wouldn't have minded a year of. :D

All totaled I thought Claremont's Uncanny run was largely hit and miss, but still decent generally. Even the bad plots though (Dino-Ray!) had their good character moments (the Kurt+Bishop and Betsy+X-23 scenes were great)... these days we don't even seem to be getting that out of the man. :/

[ImpulseUCF]

Sort of a shame Claremont's been continually excluded from the X-Summits as well imo... I really hope editorial takes a more inclusive approach with Cornell.I agree. I may think Claremont's Excalibur, New Excalibur, and Exiles range from mediocre to festering shit, but the man really knows how to write the X-Men. I don't just mean the X-Treme cast, but all of them. One of the highlight's of his 3rd Uncanny run was the characterization. Oh, the characters felt so right under his pen. His rendition of the X-Men was so strong that you could even overlook the shit plot elements like Dino Rachel. The man has a chemistry with those characters that apparently does not translate into anything else. :p
Totally agreed on Claremont and Bachalo generally though, EOG hit on all the right beats and just sort of flowed effortlessly and naturally. There's a certain "classic" action sensibility that reminds me of what's making Carey's run so enjoyable too (heh, maybe it's Bachalo?). It's really a shame the following arc (Wand'ring Star) got nerfed immediately following, I think the Claremont/Bachalo space opera could've been really epic. Evil crazy Lilandra, Storm's (partial) paralysis, Rachel's revenge, Bishop and Deathbird's reunion, Kurt stepping up to proactive leader, the Brood extinction, a possible Kurt/Betsy/Sam/Lila love polygon... so many good character beats, plus Bachalo's visuals of complex and strange alien worlds? Now that's a story I wouldn't have minded a year of. :DYeah. Damn, I forgot how much I was actually really looking forward to that. I think End of the Grey's was one of the best-executed X story arcs to come around in a long time, period, particularly that first issue. He and Bachalo really did have a great chemistry. It's a damn shame. In this case, it really is hard to argue that editorial didn't bone him pretty hard.
All totaled I thought Claremont's Uncanny run was largely hit and miss, but still decent generally. Even the bad plots though (Dino-Ray!) had their good character moments (the Kurt+Bishop and Betsy+X-23 scenes were great)... these days we don't even seem to be getting that out of the man. :/Yeah, it's more like the bad stories weren't really all that bad on their own, but simply had these God-awful, dreadful pieces. The rest was good enough you could overlook it.

Wow, I can't believe I can honestly speak so highly of his Uncanny run but have to juxtapose that against the garbage that NEXiles has been.

[Novaya Havoc]

Why, look!

It's the cover for New Exiles #1! (http://novayahavoc.blogspot.com/2007/10/breathe-easy-nocturne-fans-new-exiles-1.html)

And guess who isn't in the cast anymore?!

[drwho]

that cover is worth being in a thread all its own. I guess all originality is being sucked out of Exiles. I mean Sabretooth is sporting the Wolverine look now. No I think I will be passing on this. Rogue has a bad haircut. For once Sage looks clueless. kitty on her knees in front of sabes= dirty thoughts.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Arse. I was genuinely hoping that Psylocke might be off the title and on Excalibur. Oh well....

I do worry for the title, though.

And where's Nocturne?

[jester1436]

Arse. I was genuinely hoping that Psylocke might be off the title and on Excalibur. Oh well....


Don't worry, it's actually Bootsy Badcock, a transexual prostitute operating under the codename Psiko. IT'S HER TURN NOW.


Well, not really. :( I'm trying to be supportive. STAY STRONG SWORD!

[ImpulseUCF]

that cover is worth being in a thread all its own. I guess all originality is being sucked out of Exiles. I mean Sabretooth is sporting the Wolverine look now. No I think I will be passing on this. Rogue has a bad haircut. For once Sage looks clueless. kitty on her knees in front of sabes= dirty thoughts. :eek: Mr. Claremont, can we please, at this point, can we please abandon all pretense that there will be anything remotely new in any capacity in New Exiles??

And dude, seriously, WTF is CAt doing, trying to seduce someone?

:confused: Sigh

[CmX]

Don't worry, it's actually Bootsy Badcock, a transexual prostitute operating under the codename Psiko. IT'S HER TURN NOW.


Well, not really. :( I'm trying to be supportive. STAY STRONG SWORD!

LMAO "It's her turn" I swear I wish CC would stroll around CBR and just like crap his load seeing all the things we say on here. It would be majah!

[xmanson]

And dude, seriously, WTF is CAt doing, trying to seduce someone?

Maybe Grummet thought it would be a great way to attract the pedophile audience.

[Arilou]

Nocturne is away from Claremont's pen!

THANK GOD!

Limbo is better than Claremont.

[Novaya Havoc]

Roma's giant tears make this mini series epic. They're featured more than Blink!

[Hi-Fi]

Why, look!

It's the cover for New Exiles #1!

And guess who isn't in the cast anymore?!


Oh, f*ck. Rogue's still in it. I'll have to read it.

[Novaya Havoc]

Oh, f*ck. Rogue's still in it. I'll have to read it.

It's not the real Rogue! It's a Marvel Zombie! Aiieeee.

[Agent_Torpor]

Doesn't look bad at all, at least from the cover art. I might just give it a spin for the funk of it all.

Can't be any worse than the horrendous issues of Exiles that have come out of late... Now those were &$&#&!! (pardon my quebecois french)

[Novaya Havoc]

Doesn't look bad at all, at least from the cover art. I might just give it a spin for the funk of it all.

Can't be any worse than the horrendous issues of Exiles that have come out of late... Now those were &$&#&!! (pardon my quebecois french)

Don't judge this book by the (fantastic) covers. It's horrendous.

Why is it called X-Men: Die by the Sword? Because it's a SUGGESTION. Just reading it will cause you to die by Claremont's pen, and more painfully.

[xmanson]

Don't judge this book by the (fantastic) covers. It's horrendous.

Why is it called X-Men: Die by the Sword? Because it's a SUGGESTION. Just reading it will cause you to die by Claremont's pen, and more painfully.


Maybe it's a phalic thing. Like CC is raping you or somehting. Some may like it, though.

[CmX]

Like CC is raping you or somehting.

Oh my, I couldn't imagine a worse death.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Maybe it's a phalic thing. Like CC is raping you or somehting. Some may like it, though.

Too f****n funny. Wow. :D :D :D

That's hardcore even for good ol' CC.

[drwho]

Does Rogue Mort die, or do anything in this issue?

[worstblogever]

Does Rogue Mort die, or do anything in this issue?

Other than look ridiculous and fight Psylocke and Sage? Not really.

[DDM]

X-Men: Die By The Sword does appear to be about the changing the status quo of Otherworld's Roma, the Captain Britain Corps, & the Exiles. Saturnyne's conversation with Roma is telling since Saturnyne wants to be in Roma's place as Guardian of the Omniverse.

Roma's goddess powers are failing her for some reason, hence, her tears.

Dazzler's reaction to Longshot is typical Alison Blaire. Since learning of Longshot's amnesia, Alison almost commits suicide.

Rouge-Mort is a mystery. Who is she?

Overall, it's not a bad story at all as everyone claims to be making it to be.

8/10

[Jesse Newcomb]

X-Men: Die By The Sword does appear to be about the changing the status quo of Otherworld's Roma, the Captain Britain Corps, & the Exiles. Saturnyne's conversation with Roma is telling since Saturnyne wants to be in Roma's place as Guardian of the Omniverse.

Roma's goddess powers are failing her for some reason, hence, her tears.

Dazzler's reaction to Longshot is typical Alison Blaire. Since learning of Longshot's amnesia, Alison almost commits suicide.

Rouge-Mort is a mystery. Who is she?

Overall, it's not a bad story at all as everyone claims to be making it to be.

8/10

I want to have some of what you're smoking..............

[ImpulseUCF]

Roma's goddess powers are failing her for some reason, hence, her tears. Heh. If it were me and my god-like powers stopped working when my trusted adviser told me they wanted to kill me, I wouldn't shed a tear. It'd probably go something more like this...

Impulse: "....SHIT."
Dazzler's reaction to Longshot is typical Alison Blaire. Since learning of Longshot's amnesia, Alison almost commits suicide. That doesn't even make sense. Is that a swipe at the Dazzler fans? :confused:
Rouge-Mort is a mystery. Who is she? A douche-bag? ;) Evidently, a Star Wars fan who is into S&M.
Overall, it's not a bad story at all as everyone claims to be making it to be.

8/10No, it's not all that bad, but it's nowhere near an 8 out of 10. I mean, the rushed and sloppy reunions with little to no depth alone knock it down a few pegs. Couple that with the sub-par art, shaky dialogue and por pacing, and it's average at best.

[Karl H]

Without having read either issue I believe Rouge Mort is an alternate reality Revanche.

[Phil Hunn]

Without having read either issue I believe Rouge Mort is an alternate reality Revanche.

You mind your mouth! Revanche was a far better character concept than C-3PO's dominatrix.

[Cain Marko]

I didn't read the book page for page, but it didn't seem all that bad to me. It read like the typical level of quality(or lack thereof) you get in NEX. Which is to say below average, but not earth-crumblingly horrid. I saw the same thing here as in the normal NEX book:average plotting with poor characterization. It looked like all the same stuff. Nocturne failing to possess someone, a happy/smiley strongman, a lukewarm villain, etc.

It didn't see anything worse here than the last couple years of the same formula. Rouge Mort will probably either turn out to be an alternate version of a pet character or be defeated by one. Thunderbird's role will likely be to stand there and look big while making inferrences about others not being as big as him. Etcetera.

[Jesse Newcomb]

That doesn't even make sense. Is that a swipe at the Dazzler fans? :confused:


...........No. That is actually what happens.:mad:

[Phil Hunn]

Thunderbird's role will likely be to stand there and look big while making inferrences about others not being as big as him.

This makes me so sad. My memories of John are being warped so badly :(

[jester1436]

Dazzler's reaction to Longshot is typical Alison Blaire. Since learning of Longshot's amnesia, Alison almost commits suicide.


No, it's really NOT "typical Alison Blaire," but you have as much a feel for the character as Claremont, so slam away.

[steve2275]

:D So how many that bought this issue will be coming back for more?
i like to finish what i start:p

[Arilou]

You know, when i think about it, this is probably one of the worst comic issues I've ever read.

Honestly, it's approaching ASBAR levels of awful. And ASBAR at least has a kind of trainwreck fascination thingie going on.

[Pach!]

X-Men: Die By The Sword does appear to be about the changing the status quo of Otherworld's Roma, the Captain Britain Corps, & the Exiles. Saturnyne's conversation with Roma is telling since Saturnyne wants to be in Roma's place as Guardian of the Omniverse.

Roma's goddess powers are failing her for some reason, hence, her tears.

Dazzler's reaction to Longshot is typical Alison Blaire. Since learning of Longshot's amnesia, Alison almost commits suicide.

Rouge-Mort is a mystery. Who is she?

Overall, it's not a bad story at all as everyone claims to be making it to be.

8/10

Your review surprises me because I feel even CC would read this story and not give himself more than a 4.

[Brian M.]

Your review surprises me because I feel even CC would read this story and not give himself more than a 4.

I read it. I question his sanity.

[worstblogever]

X-Men: Die By The Sword does appear to be about the changing the status quo of Otherworld's Roma, the Captain Britain Corps, & the Exiles. Saturnyne's conversation with Roma is telling since Saturnyne wants to be in Roma's place as Guardian of the Omniverse.

Roma's goddess powers are failing her for some reason, hence, her tears.

Dazzler's reaction to Longshot is typical Alison Blaire. Since learning of Longshot's amnesia, Alison almost commits suicide.

Rouge-Mort is a mystery. Who is she?

Overall, it's not a bad story at all as everyone claims to be making it to be.

8/10
So where is Claremont serving Kool-Aid? You seem to have been having seconds.

[Phil Hunn]

You know, when i think about it, this is probably one of the worst comic issues I've ever read.

Honestly, it's approaching ASBAR levels of awful. And ASBAR at least has a kind of trainwreck fascination thingie going on.

Although if the most recent issue is any indication, Frank Miller seems to be actively trying to mock the fanbase with lines like this:

"Because I'm the goddamned Batman and I'll call my goddamn car whatever I want!"

I mean, it wasn't crap enough the first time?

This seems to be being played as straight as a razor blade, however. Which makes it even more strange.

[DDM]

No, it's really NOT "typical Alison Blaire," but you have as much a feel for the character as Claremont, so slam away.

Alison Blaire always has been the relunctant hero; her first priority has been her music--not her powers. They are secondary. Unfortunately, Dazzler, being a mutant, has hampered her music & movie career for the most part. Dazzler is a primadonna who wants nothing to do with mutants, heroes, & villains. Alison grew very close to Longshot that she apparently married him him in Mojoworld. The realization that Longshot has lost his memories again is more for Alison to bare so she considered suicide.

Yes, this is typical Alison Blaire.

[DDM]

Why is it called X-Men: Die by the Sword? Because it's a SUGGESTION. Just reading it will cause you to die by Claremont's pen, and more painfully.

It's a pun. Chris Claremont uses the metaphor from Excalibur, the sword, from Mort De Author & the X-Men represent Xavier's Knights of the Round Table. Excalibur is the dream of mutants & human living in harmony. The X-Men also die by the sword. Rachel Summers really uses this metaphor the best in Excalibur Special Edition #1 since they believe the X-Men dead. Excalibur picks up Xavier's dream where the X-Men left off.

[Mikl C]

^LOL.

Anyway, can someone make a "Roma Cries" collage for me?
Stupid bitch and her crazyass giant tears.
I hope she gets dehydrated and DIES.

[Arilou]

It's a pun. Chris Claremont uses the metaphor from Excalibur, the sword, from Mort De Author & the X-Men represent Xavier's Knights of the Round Table. Excalibur is the dream of mutants & human living in harmony. The X-Men also die by the sword. Rachel Summers really uses this metaphor the best in Excalibur Special Edition #1 since they believe the X-Men dead. Excalibur picks up Xavier's dream where the X-Men left off.

Actually the saying is ye old proverb "He who lives by the Sword dies by the Sword." (Although I think T.H. White among others has used it in conjuction with the Arthurian mythos before)

[ImpulseUCF]

Alison Blaire always has been the relunctant hero; her first priority has been her music--not her powers. They are secondary. Unfortunately, Dazzler, being a mutant, has hampered her music & movie career for the most part. Dazzler is a primadonna who wants nothing to do with mutants, heroes, & villains. Alison grew very close to Longshot that she apparently married him him in Mojoworld. The realization that Longshot has lost his memories again is more for Alison to bare so she considered suicide.

Yes, this is typical Alison Blaire..... :confused: How on Earth do you deduce that someone who prefers to work on their career over social responsibility would logically toss them self off a cliff because, at first glance, her husband doesn't remember her? How is that typical??

[Novaya Havoc]

Yes, this is typical Alison Blaire.

No, it's not.

It's typically Claremontian.

[jester1436]

Alison Blaire always has been the relunctant hero; her first priority has been her music--not her powers. They are secondary. Unfortunately, Dazzler, being a mutant, has hampered her music & movie career for the most part. Dazzler is a primadonna who wants nothing to do with mutants, heroes, & villains. Alison grew very close to Longshot that she apparently married him him in Mojoworld. The realization that Longshot has lost his memories again is more for Alison to bare so she considered suicide.

Yes, this is typical Alison Blaire.

Thank you, DDM, for this complete non sequitur response.

Again, you really don't get the character at all.

[Matt K]

LMAO @ Dazz attempting suicide cause Longshot didn't remember her, omg that was so lame! CC are you serious!? Argh!

Wait, did she really try to commit suicide???

I've long since come to the conclusion that I will not like any of CC's work (he pretty much killed the X-franchise for me with Revolution plus his prose work help me realize that his writing is not for me) but that is just unbelievable.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

.... :confused: How on Earth do you deduce that someone who prefers to work on their career over social responsibility would logically toss them self off a cliff because, at first glance, her husband doesn't remember her? How is that typical??

Cause CC said so. Really.

This seems to be being played as straight as a razor blade, however. Which makes it even more strange.

Surreal, isn't it?

[Phil Hunn]

Surreal, isn't it?

More like "deeply worrying", if a villainous bondage doll and tear-drops the size of boulders are what we're supposed to be accepting...

[CmX]

Overall, it's not a bad story at all as everyone claims to be making it to be.

8/10
How typical and expected of you Lord DDM


Now it's MY turn!

[Phil Hunn]

How typical and expected of you Lord DDM


Now it's MY turn!

You're good, I'm better.

I take care of my own.

[CmX]

You're good, I'm better.

I take care of my own.

But Phil! We're CBR posters remember? Anything is possible girl!

[Phil Hunn]

But Phil! We're CBR posters remember? Anything is possible girl!

That may be true, but it will take the focused totality of my posting power to achieve it. I might be the best there is at what I do, but what I do keeps me up all night.

[CmX]

That may be true, but it will take the focused totality of my posting power to achieve it. I might be the best there is at what I do, but what I do keeps me up all night.

LMAO loves it!

[DDM]

Wait, did she really try to commit suicide???

I've long since come to the conclusion that I will not like any of CC's work (he pretty much killed the X-franchise for me with Revolution plus his prose work help me realize that his writing is not for me) but that is just unbelievable.

Peter Wisdom talks Alison back into the Crystal Castle as she is about to jump of the building. Alison figures Mojo still wins even after he loses (He's always done this) by seeing an amnesiac Longshot. Alison figures she will just ressurect herself as she's done in New Excalibur.

What Alison does not realize is Longshot was mindwiped again when Mojo dumped Longshot into the X-Men's Danger Room in Uncanny X-Men Annual #10 to brainwash the X-Men; Longshot forgot about Ricochete Rita when Havok & himself walked by the movie poster he himself starred in shown in Uncanny X-Men #224 from the events of Longshot #1-6.

[worstblogever]

So... Dazzler had something to gain by killing herself? That makes absolutely no sense. And if that's supposed to cure Longshot's amnesia... it makes even less sense.

In fact, the more I hear DDM try to explain this to me, the less sense Claremont's writing makes. It was in English when I read it, right? It wasn't like, translated to Chinese and then back...

[Brian M.]

So... Dazzler had something to gain by killing herself? That makes absolutely no sense. And if that's supposed to cure Longshot's amnesia... it makes even less sense.

In fact, the more I hear DDM try to explain this to me, the less sense Claremont's writing makes. It was in English when I read it, right? It wasn't like, translated to Chinese and then back...

No she just felt like falling splat on the ground. She acknowledges she won't die. She just wanted to free fall for a bit.

[The Fury]

I'm liking this book so far but not for art or story reasons. Although I'm finding the writing quite good.


(such a fanboy)

[worstblogever]

No she just felt like falling splat on the ground. She acknowledges she won't die. She just wanted to free fall for a bit.

I don't recall Alison ever having hobbies like bungee jumping, or skydiving, or base jumping, or anything of the like. So... not true of the character, then? Or is this just what immortal characters do? Experiment with new and wonderful ways to off themselves when someone they've shagged can't recall it?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I don't recall Alison ever having hobbies like bungee jumping, or skydiving, or base jumping, or anything of the like. So... not true of the character, then? Or is this just what immortal characters do? Experiment with new and wonderful ways to off themselves when someone they've shagged can't recall it?

Allie must've watched Heroes and tried to channel the clueless and/or lovesick teen archetype or something. Claremont did guest-star, right?

@worstblogever: Not sure if I've said it, but BEST SIG EVER.

[worstblogever]

Allie must've watched Heroes and tried to channel the clueless and/or lovesick teen archetype or something. Claremont did guest-star, right?

@worstblogever: Not sure if I've said it, but BEST SIG EVER.

Don't know if you mentioned the sig, but thanks.

Isn't Alison a bit old to be acting like a pouty spurned teen? She's not like Cher old, but she's still too much of an adult to say, oh... put her ankles in the air for a pink motorcycle she can afford herself anyway, or to jump off a building because her old bf can't recall her. That's like Stacy X levels of petulance.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Isn't Alison a bit old to be acting like a pouty spurned teen?

She totally is. Your point...?

Remember it's a CC book and she ain't quite a full-fledged Claremazon.

She's not like Cher old, but she's still too much of an adult to say, oh... put her ankles in the air for a pink motorcycle she can afford herself anyway, or to jump off a building because her old bf can't recall her. That's like Stacy X levels of petulance.

No, no, no.

See, this one is about glorious story structure.

Make the reunion with Longshot all the more powerful. Or something.

[worstblogever]

No, no, no.

See, this one is about glorious story structure.

Make the reunion with Longshot all the more powerful. Or something.

Call me crazy, but would the reunion have been more powerful if there weren't like... 3 or 4 reunions in the same 2 issues?

Brian/Betsy, TJ/T-bird, TJ/Blink & Morph, Alison/Longshot

The choices alone diluted out the reunions, and each one of them has come of as kind of empty because... well, the same dialogue is used practically for each one.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You did get I was being sarcastic, right? :D

[Phil Hunn]

LMAO loves it!

Heh. Let's face it, CC has thrown up enough repeated catchphrases that we could probably keep this going all night if we wanted to.

Bub :p

I don't recall Alison ever having hobbies like bungee jumping, or skydiving, or base jumping, or anything of the like. So... not true of the character, then? Or is this just what immortal characters do? Experiment with new and wonderful ways to off themselves when someone they've shagged can't recall it?

I dunno. We could always ask Mr Immortal of the GLI - I'm sure he's had hours of fun dropping toasters into his bathtub on lonely Saturday nights...

[worstblogever]

You did get I was being sarcastic, right? :D

Yeah, I appreciate it, though. You're helping illustrate my point. Playing devil's advocate, while cracking me up at the same time. Give yourself a gold star, yo.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, I appreciate it, though. You're helping illustrate my point. Playing devil's advocate, while cracking me up at the same time. Give yourself a gold star, yo.

Mock-defending crazy ideas/plot is just so much fun, eh.

*Makes mental note to point out how it was sensical and in-character for Mystique to not off Bobby the next time I have the chance.*

[Jesse Newcomb]

Peter Wisdom talks Alison back into the Crystal Castle as she is about to jump of the building. Alison figures Mojo still wins even after he loses (He's always done this) by seeing an amnesiac Longshot. Alison figures she will just ressurect herself as she's done in New Excalibur.

What Alison does not realize is Longshot was mindwiped again when Mojo dumped Longshot into the X-Men's Danger Room in Uncanny X-Men Annual #10 to brainwash the X-Men; Longshot forgot about Ricochete Rita when Havok & himself walked by the movie poster he himself starred in shown in Uncanny X-Men #224 from the events of Longshot #1-6.

You didn't read this comic at all! WTF?! It wasn't Pete Wisdom that kept Al from jumping, it was your FUBAR new favorite character, Mystic!

Seriously, why do you even try?:rolleyes:

Also, Al had gotten over Longshot a long time ago anyway, he left her. Remember the one-shot from 1996 by JM DeMatteis and Michael Zulli where he vistited some southern town that was possessed by some ugly red monster? He made friends with the people from the sanitarium? He didn't show up again until Exiles 18. Care to tell me what happened in that issue, Mister Walking Encyclopedia of all things X and gay porn?:)

[Joe Acro]

This issue was the second-hardest thing for me to get through this week. It referenced events in Excalibur, skimmed over details/sequences, had weird character moments (like Dazzler wanting to commit suicide over Longshot's problem), and sub-par art.

One thing I really didn't understand, and something that appears to now be the norm based on future art, is why Mystiq's hair is now red. Anyone have ideas?

[Novaya Havoc]

Isn't Alison a bit old to be acting like a pouty spurned teen? She's not like Cher old, but she's still too much of an adult to say, oh... put her ankles in the air for a pink motorcycle she can afford herself anyway, or to jump off a building because her old bf can't recall her. That's like Stacy X levels of petulance.

You're my hero!

CC always writes Dazzler like she's 23, never went to college, and never dealt with any personal issues before.

I can just see next issue:

"Longshot took me out of his MySpace Top 8! Aiiieee!!! *slits wrists*"

Bah, nevermind. Claremont has no clue what MySpace is. He'll say he took her out of his cordless phone speed dial or something.

[DDM]

Isn't Alison a bit old to be acting like a pouty spurned teen? She's not like Cher old, but she's still too much of an adult to say, oh... put her ankles in the air for a pink motorcycle she can afford herself anyway, or to jump off a building because her old bf can't recall her. That's like Stacy X levels of petulance.

Pop stars act like "pouty spurned teens." Dazzler is such a character. She's always been a little flighty.

[DDM]

Also, Al had gotten over Longshot a long time ago anyway, he left her. Remember the one-shot from 1996 by JM DeMatteis and Michael Zulli where he vistited some southern town that was possessed by some ugly red monster? He made friends with the people from the sanitarium? He didn't show up again until Exiles 18. Care to tell me what happened in that issue, Mister Walking Encyclopedia of all things X and gay porn?:)

I think alot of Longshot & Dazzler's history has been spotty since leaving Uncanny X-Men. Claremont is just trying to give symmetry to pieces & connect them so it all makes sense. Dazzler's reaction is normal for a super-hero. She still loves him.

[Pach!]

Pop stars act like "pouty spurned teens." Dazzler is such a character. She's always been a little flighty.

By "always" you mean when written by Chris Claremont.

Anyways, it'll be over soon, there is only like 3 issues left in the crossover of the year and then Dazzler is free from CC's hands. My condolences to Psylocke and both Sage fans though.

[DDM]

By "always" you mean when written by Chris Claremont.

Anyways, it'll be over soon, there is only like 3 issues left in the crossover of the year and then Dazzler is free from CC's hands. My condolences to Psylocke and both Sage fans though.

There's a certain pop star who only wants certain colored M&M's in her dressing room. Other pop stars drink specific bottled water. Alison is no different.

[Novaya Havoc]

There's a certain pop star who only wants certain colored M&M's in her dressing room. Other pop stars drink specific bottled water. Alison is no different.

You're adorable when you bait! <3

Fact of the matter is:

NEW DAZZLER NEWS TO BE UNVEILED THIS WEEKEND!
The only news we'll ever hear about CC is another one of his titles being canned.

Booya, babycakes.

[Crimson]

Did anyone else notice these panels:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJTzcsGpRI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/GrBBAeN4L_U/s1600-h/excalibur3.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJT5MsGpSI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/8PJ4PgW6zi8/s1600-h/excalibur2.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJUK8sGpTI/AAAAAAAAAKE/hCCdweO_R6E/s1600-h/excalibur1.jpg

Got to tell ya... they made me ashamed to be reading the comic.

[drwho]

Did anyone else notice these panels:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJTzcsGpRI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/GrBBAeN4L_U/s1600-h/excalibur3.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJT5MsGpSI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/8PJ4PgW6zi8/s1600-h/excalibur2.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJUK8sGpTI/AAAAAAAAAKE/hCCdweO_R6E/s1600-h/excalibur1.jpg

Got to tell ya... they made me ashamed to be reading the comic.

Does that mean they aren't wearing panties? :p

[Crimson]

Does that mean they aren't wearing panties? :p

Either that... or it was so skimpy Marvel felt the need to cover it up.

And let's face it, in comics the women's clothes are always pretty skimpy. These most of extremely skimpy.

I don't think I've ever said skimpy this many times.

[Nachturne]

Pop stars act like "pouty spurned teens." Dazzler is such a character. She's always been a little flighty.

How sweepingly generalizing of you. It's like saying all waitresses are stupid. I mean, it must be true. They're waitresses!

[worstblogever]

Pop stars act like "pouty spurned teens." Dazzler is such a character. She's always been a little flighty.

That's funny... I seem to remember Dazzler helping Longshot say... as a freedom fighter and leading a revolution in the Mojoverse for years. She was wearing a bomber jacket and had a huge edge. On top of that, she proved herself responsible, because she was in charge of liberating, and then taking care of the (god help me for citing this) the X-Babies. Doesn't sound like a spoiled pop star to me.

Then again, Claremont didn't write that story, so it makes sense he wouldn't recognize it as a part of continuity.

Your move.

[worstblogever]

You're my hero!

CC always writes Dazzler like she's 23, never went to college, and never dealt with any personal issues before.

I can just see next issue:

"Longshot took me out of his MySpace Top 8! Aiiieee!!! *slits wrists*"

Bah, nevermind. Claremont has no clue what MySpace is. He'll say he took her out of his cordless phone speed dial or something.

You're my hero, apparently. You've got me defending Dazzler. Which, only through the Dazzler fans of CBR (of which, you are the foremost) championing her, do I realize she's worth fighting for. Back atcha.

[worstblogever]

I think alot of Longshot & Dazzler's history has been spotty since leaving Uncanny X-Men. Claremont is just trying to give symmetry to pieces & connect them so it all makes sense. Dazzler's reaction is normal for a super-hero. She still loves him.

I don't recall ANY superhero getting suicidal over not getting affection from an old flame. Not even Spider-Man over Gwen or MJ. Not Chamber over Husk when she started shacking up with Warren. Not Wanda any time the Vision got cold and distant. Saying suicidal tendencies is "normal" for a superhero is by far the most insipid, and voluntarily blind assessment of characterization I've seen.

[Pach!]

Let's not reference the Husk/Angel thing. Paige has no love here in CBR as it is. :(

[worstblogever]

Let's not reference the Husk/Angel thing. Paige has no love here in CBR as it is. :(

Sorry, my point being that Jono got over it and didn't go playing in traffic, putting his head in an oven, or tapdancing in a mindfield because of it.

[david r]

#2 was okay. I expected a little more from it. I'm more excited about the battle next issue between Jaspers/Fury and the Captain Britain Corps.

And my guess who is REALLY Rouge-Mort: MEGGAN!!!

[Brett P]

Not got #2 yet but I sat to read #1 last night after finishing Exiles #99...my GOD that is one ugly T-Bird. Art is pretty bad full stop. Betsy's hair isnt purple because..?

I actually had to skip the entire middle section of the comic, I just couldn't bring myself to read anymore...I'm getting this purely for the last journey of my beloved TJ and Blink...

I'm outraged at what's become of what was once one of my top 5 titles...

[DDM]

And my guess who is REALLY Rouge-Mort: MEGGAN!!!

That's a possibility I had not thought of before. I thought Meggan would be the new Red Queen of the London Hellfire Club, but Claremont had to drop this plot long ago...

[FoolishScribe]

And my guess who is REALLY Rouge-Mort: MEGGAN!!!

oooooo interesting. That would be an interesting twist.

[Jesse Newcomb]

If Meggan is Rougemort, then why would she kill Brian?

[jester1436]

Yeah, Meggan being Rouge Morte would make for a great twist, on par with Shadow King having a team of shadowy 05 X-Men, Dazzler dying over and over, Sage becoming Diana Fox, and Mr. Fantastic helping the world explode twice. :) :) :)




:)

[Joe Acro]

One thing I really didn't understand, and something that appears to now be the norm based on future art, is why Mystiq's hair is now red. Anyone have ideas?I'll take that as a "no".

[Jesse Newcomb]

I'll take that as a "no".

I think the disappearance of Sage's tattoos is more important.:p

[Joe Acro]

I think the disappearance of Sage's tattoos is more important.:pThat might be. But I hadn't noticed (not having read much Sage).

[Jesse Newcomb]

That might be. But I hadn't noticed (not having read much Sage).

That means you have great taste and that there's more important things to worry about.

As for Mystic, I don't know what to say. I would have thought he would have black hair if he was the male counterpart of Raven Darkholme, Rontay Darkholme.

But since CC teeters on the obvious lately, he's gonna go with red hair like the real Mystique has in her natural form so that the kiddies he writes for with his 20th century sensibility don't get confused.

[CmX]

That means you have great taste and that there's more important things to worry about.

As for Mystic, I don't know what to say. I would have thought he would have black hair if he was the male counterpart of Raven Darkholme, Rontay Darkholme.

But since CC teeters on the obvious lately, he's gonna go with red hair like the real Mystique has in her natural form so that the kiddies he writes for with his 20th century sensibility don't get confused.

I would've thought they'd given him a more interesting look... unless his true form surfaces soon that boring thing man look is lame and makes me dislike him further. :P

[Brian M.]

Does Roma have botox?

[Gene M.]

Was Rouge-Mort's hair drawn any differently this issue?

[Pach!]

Does Roma have botox?

She looks like a drag queen. I bet she's actually a dude named Romulus.

[Gene M.]

She looks like a drag queen. I bet she's actually a dude named Romulus.
Quit spoiling Wolverine: Origins!

[Brian M.]

She looks like a drag queen. I bet she's actually a dude named Romulus.

Don't insult him.

[david r]

If Meggan is Rougemort, then why would she kill Brian?

Meggan is under the power of either Saturnyne. Or Jim Jaspers.

I think she might be Meggan because why else is Rougemort's identity being hidden?

[Brian M.]

Meggan is under the power of either Saturnyne. Or Jim Jaspers.

I think she might be Meggan because why else is Rougemort's identity being hidden?

Wank material?

[Pach!]

It is Shadow Jean. Her Psychic powers are being boosted by ... wait for it ....THE SHADOW KING.

[drwho]

Why can't Rogue Mort be a badly dress villainess? Why does she have to be some other character brainwashed? Then again this is CC and that seems like a cliche he may use. Perhaps Rogue Mort is the actual Rogue that joins the new exiles.

[Jesse Newcomb]

Meggan is under the power of either Saturnyne. Or Jim Jaspers.

I think she might be Meggan because why else is Rougemort's identity being hidden?

Ok, checking off mind-control for this arc, it ain't a CC arc without mind-control as a plot device.

Jester, I owe you a coke.:D

[Jesse Newcomb]

Why can't Rogue Mort be a badly dress villainess? Why does she have to be some other character brainwashed? Then again this is CC and that seems like a cliche he may use. Perhaps Rogue Mort is the actual Rogue that joins the new exiles.

No, we already saw her in Exiles 99 and she showed up with the rest of them in the second issue of the crossover.

[Nachturne]

Maybe Rouge Mort is a female Gambit that Rogue can scissor. Gambit speaks french!!

[Jesse Newcomb]

Maybe Rouge Mort is a female Gambit that Rogue can scissor. Gambit speaks french!!

I'd rather see Gambit and Fantomex scissor.:(

[worstblogever]

Did anyone else notice these panels:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJTzcsGpRI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/GrBBAeN4L_U/s1600-h/excalibur3.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJT5MsGpSI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/8PJ4PgW6zi8/s1600-h/excalibur2.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_TV-32gA7RbM/RyJUK8sGpTI/AAAAAAAAAKE/hCCdweO_R6E/s1600-h/excalibur1.jpg

Got to tell ya... they made me ashamed to be reading the comic.

I started a whole thread about those panels when they turned up in the preview art.

[The Fury]

Reading these books again, somthing really really annoys me.

The artist can't draw The Fury. Not only is he drawing the eye-sensors wrong but they are also coloured wrong.

Makes my fanboyness scream in anger.

[Brian M.]

Reading these books again, somthing really really annoys me.

The artist can't draw The Fury. Not only is he drawing the eye-sensors wrong but they are also coloured wrong.

Makes my fanboyness scream in anger.

It's b/c the Fury isn't in a skirt and when it fights there is no chance of a money shot.

[The Fury]

It's b/c the Fury isn't in a skirt and when it fights there is no chance of a money shot.

Hmm, might be the reason. Those 'SLAM's and 'BAM's were nicely placed. Well, done to the letterer.

[Brian M.]

Hmm, might be the reason. Those 'SLAM's and 'BAM's were nicely placed. Well, done to the letterer.

Right? Of all the things to say...

[worstblogever]

Hmm, might be the reason. Those 'SLAM's and 'BAM's were nicely placed. Well, done to the letterer.

Don't forget the WHUMP! on Betsy's bum, yo.

[Phil Hunn]

I think alot of Longshot & Dazzler's history has been spotty since leaving Uncanny X-Men. Claremont is just trying to give symmetry to pieces & connect them so it all makes sense. Dazzler's reaction is normal for a super-hero. She still loves him.

Eh? Why is going suicidal "normal for a superhero"? Sounds like you're scrabbling for a defence, D.

Alison's reaction is so ludicrously emo that she ought to be listening to Dashboard Confessional while she's busy being so melodramatic.

I'm outraged at what's become of what was once one of my top 5 titles...

I dropped this mess ages ago. It's been far better for my health.

If Meggan is Rougemort, then why would she kill Brian?

For spits & giggles? I got nothing.

Why can't Rogue Mort be a badly dress villainess? Why does she have to be some other character brainwashed? Then again this is CC and that seems like a cliche he may use. Perhaps Rogue Mort is the actual Rogue that joins the new exiles.

It's not a CC plot without mind-control. Today's truth-fact has been brought to you by the number 3, and by the letters A & H.

Maybe Rouge Mort is a female Gambit that Rogue can scissor. Gambit speaks french!!

... that's too plausible for comfort.

[david r]

Claremont just shot down my theory that Meggan is Rouge-Mort. Come on, why not? Her identity is being hidden, why would that be??

She's under the control of either Saturnyne or Mad Jim Jaspers. To help connect-the-story-dots. A neat little twist, since Meggan will come back, anyway. I was leaning to Saturnyne since she's here, and probably working AGAINST Roma.

[Tobias March]

I want Paul Cornell to revamp Meggan.

[ImpulseUCF]

I'd rather see Gambit and Fantomex scissor.:( :eek: OUCH. That sounds painful.

[Crimson]

I started a whole thread about those panels when they turned up in the preview art.

Got a link or a subject title so I can search for it?

[worstblogever]

Got a link or a subject title so I can search for it?

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194749

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Reading these books again, somthing really really annoys me.

The artist can't draw The Fury. Not only is he drawing the eye-sensors wrong but they are also coloured wrong.

Makes my fanboyness scream in anger.

I am am hoping that the reason for this is to distinguish them from the REAL and original Fury.

That's what I would hope, at least.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I want Paul Cornell to revamp Meggan.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing that happen.

So many writers have just penned her as being Brian's arm candy, without any purpose of her own. That's cetainly not how she began life. I think that there are plenty of directions you could take her - and far from all of them even involve Brian.

[rilokyle]

If Rogue Mort turns out to be Meggan I will cry for real. Meggan's too good for this shatty book.

[Pach!]

It's Shadow King/ Shadow Jean combo.

[jarrod]

I want Paul Cornell to revamp Meggan.
I still want her to be the new White Queen. :D

[xmanson]

This was quite entertaining actually. Not great by any means but it didn't drag and the mix of characters seem interesting. There are too many of them though, so many will get sidelined over CC's favorites, of course.

Dazzler wanting to kill herself just because she knew she couldn't die was kinda nice, I guess, though very "overreactive" and Mystiq seem different enough so far from Mystique and not only in gender, to justify his presence.

I had no idea Saturnyne was a mortal, and it would be a nice twist if we end up with her killing Roma or something.

The final page was great, seems we're gonna get a massacre in the next issue - I admit i'm very curious at how the EXes team is gonna defeat Jaspers - and can't say I'm expecting a good resolution, unfortunately.

Any chance there will be no Cap Britain corps after this?

The art could be so much better though, but again, i admit there was some charm to its crappiness.

Overall, a B-

I know i'm gonna get trashed for liking this, but I did. Good for me, I guess.

[ImpulseUCF]

Ehh, it was all right. I'd give it closer to a C or C+. Rouge-Mort is terrible, and the reunions felt rushed. Other than those, though, and my inherent dislike for the Roma/Otherworld thing, it was decent.

[Callisto]

this book isn't even worth using as toilet paper. awful comic, claremont should be banned from x-books.

[DDM]

I had no idea Saturnyne was a mortal, and it would be a nice twist if we end up with her killing Roma or something.

Opal Luna Saturnyne is from Earth-9. The hint she is mortal comes from the countless alternate counterparts from Earth 616's Courtney Ross & Earth-789's (?), Fascist dictator Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9. And the Queen Mother from Excalibur #12-14 (1988).

The final page was great, seems we're gonna get a massacre in the next issue - I admit i'm very curious at how the EXes team is gonna defeat Jaspers - and can't say I'm expecting a good resolution, unfortunately.

Any chance there will be no Cap Britain corps after this?

I think Otherworld will remain, but a changing of the guard is happening in this series. Roma is still a god. However, Saturnyne is ruthless enough in an attempt to take Roma's place. Roma may allow Saturnyne to have it only to discover the responsibility may be too much a for single mortal woman to bear.

Roma still takes after her father.

The Captain Britain Corps needs a revamp, yet it does not need to be trashed completely. Essentially, the Captain Britain Corps needs a new mission statement.

[DungeonmasterJim]

The Capt Britain Corps. means nothing to me so I really don't care what happens to it.

I'm guessing that Roma is removed from power and replaced by Saturnyne. This makes things more interesting for further stories.

I also didn't buy into the whole Albion isn't evil speech by Wisdom. Albion's a conquerer. If people resist they die. He's also a dictator. What's not evil about that? I don't think Claremont understands Wisdom's character at all.


DM Jim

[Tobias March]

I don't think Claremont understands Wisdom's character at all.


DM Jim

Well yes we knew that. He's more a Dick van Dyke Mary Poppins cypher to be honest.

Still if this miniseries puts the mess that's been made of Otherworld to bed, I'll be happy.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The Capt Britain Corps. means nothing to me so I really don't care what happens to it.

I'm guessing that Roma is removed from power and replaced by Saturnyne. This makes things more interesting for further stories.

It certainly would, yes. And knowing her past relations with Brian could make for an interesting situation.

However, I'd still prefer Meryn to actually regain control. I know it won't happen on a Claremont book, but I'd prefer the malevolent figure of Merlyn in charge than the soppy figure of Roma, as she has become.

I also didn't buy into the whole Albion isn't evil speech by Wisdom. Albion's a conquerer. If people resist they die. He's also a dictator. What's not evil about that? I don't think Claremont understands Wisdom's character at all.

I partially agree, but at the same point Wisdom is not a superhero. He's a Security Services man, and a total realist.

Albion does not see himself as a conqueror. He sees himself as a liberator of the world for the people of great Britain. And the sad thing is that had he been successful the people of Britain would have probably gotten behind him eventually. He certainly would have assured that they were cared for and had something to believe in.

But then, we all know that this is exactly how Fascism works.

[Daithi]

However, I'd still prefer Meryn to actually regain control. I know it won't happen on a Claremont book, but I'd prefer the malevolent figure of Merlyn in charge than the soppy figure of Roma, as she has become.

Kind of hard to imagine that a female God written by Claremont could be as soppy as this but there we go.

Of course Merlyn doesn't have a chance either. Sage is clearly going to become the new ruler. Her Greek/Welsh origin is when Roma shacked up with Zeus (or I suppose Athena would be more in style). ;)

[drwho]

Did I miss something? I could have sworn I read that Saturnyne was working with Roma to preserve the omniverse. Not against her.

[DDM]

Did I miss something? I could have sworn I read that Saturnyne was working with Roma to preserve the omniverse. Not against her.

Otherworld has a political aspect thanks to David Thorpe. Majestrix Opal Luna Saturnyne's current role is the Guardian of Earth-616's dimension as well as other duties. Saturnyne just openly stated to Roma that she basically wants Roma's job. It's all politics.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Did I miss something? I could have sworn I read that Saturnyne was working with Roma to preserve the omniverse. Not against her.

Don't trust Saturnyne. Sure, she's not as all out evil as her alternate universe counterpart Sat-yr-9 (Currently still masquerading as Courtney Ross) but she is shrewd and self-centred at her core. If the opportunity arose she'd certainly try to take it.

[Pro]

(Currently still masquerading as Courtney Ross)

Are we certain of this? In HoM Courtney was Courtney again. Haven't followed NEX though ..

[drwho]

Don't trust Saturnyne. Sure, she's not as all out evil as her alternate universe counterpart Sat-yr-9 (Currently still masquerading as Courtney Ross) but she is shrewd and self-centred at her core. If the opportunity arose she'd certainly try to take it.

WTF . Those are two different characters? I thought the evil one changed her ways and was working with Roma. when did they reveal there are more than one running around?

[Daithi]

Are we certain of this? In HoM Courtney was Courtney again. Haven't followed NEX though ..

and even if you did...

I don't think that plot was ever resolved in NEX. Though could Courtney "616" eliminate Saturnyne and take over?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Are we certain of this? In HoM Courtney was Courtney again. Haven't followed NEX though ..

It's still never been addressed properly. And unless Cornell picks up on it it probably won't be.

Sure, in HoM she was the real deal. But HoM was only a temporary change of reality. So far there has been very few people to have survived from HoM when things went back to normal.

Illyana survived only because she was teleporting at the time everything went white. Hawkeye survive out of Wanda's sense of guilt.

At the start of New Excalibur Brian doesn't believe that Courtney Ross is not Sat-yr-9, and yet in the second arc - all of a sudden - he does. It really does make little sense that he would believe that, considering that back in Excalibur Sat-yr-9 went into quite some detail with him as to how she murdered Courtney and took her place. But then Sat-yr-9's chief ability is a form of psychic suggestion, which always works best upon people in a weakened state. Brian had just lost his wife, at the time. I'd say he wasn't exactly at his strongest...

WTF . Those are two different characters? I thought the evil one changed her ways and was working with Roma. when did they reveal there are more than one running around?

Back in the later part of Captain Britain's solo days. One day an alternate Captain Britain (Kaptain Briton) flees his world and arrives on 616. Brian fights him, but Briton wins, and assumes Brian's life. Brian wakes up on another Earth run by Sat-yr-9, a version of Saturnyne (Who by this time he'd met several times on his cross-dimensional adventures) who in this dimension was a crazed dictator who was a bit too into sadomasochism. ;)

The story ended with Brian eventually back home, obviously, but Kaptain Briton had tried to rape Betsy, who literally had to fry his brain. Sat-yr-9 vowed revenge on both Braddocks for the death of her champion, but to keep her dimension in check Sat-yr-9 was imprisoned, and Captain UK assigned to keep an eye on her dimension.

Go forward a few years to the start of Excalibur and Courtney Ross is re-introduced to readers. Courtney was Brian's University sweetheart, back from early Captain Britain. Only now, by magic, she appears to be a dead ringer for Saturnye. It seems that in this dimension Sarturnyne has no powers, and IS Courtney Ross. It also seems she grew up to run a merchant bank, and its that bank which Excalibur are using for their financial dealings. But the second that Brian comes back into her life weird shit starts happening, and she eds up kidnapped by Arcade. Cap and Arcade had a history from an old Marvel Team-up story with Spider-man.

In the background of these early issues though we had several sequences featuring Widget - this weird little robot who kept opening up dimensional doorways. In Excalibur #2, for example, young Colin McKay steps through one such portal, only to return some 40 issues later as Kylun.

While Excalibur are battling Arcade a random Alien hunting geek stumbles across Widget, who opens another random doorway. Said geek, wanders through the doorway and finds himself walking directly into the cell where Sat-yr-9 is imprisoned on her homeworld. Rather unsurprisingly Sat-yr-9 kills him and chooses to make her escape.

Meanwhile, with Arcade defeated, Courtney returns to her office to have a shower. Having just gotten out of the shower, she hears somebody else out in her office. She walks through to find herself staring at Sat-yr-9, who has just walked through a portal through to Earth 616. Sat-yr-9 shoots her dead.

Every appearance of Courtney Ross after that issue is actually Sat-yr-9, having assumed Courtney's identity. The only telling difference is that Sat-yr-9 has a little dagger tattoo on her hip.

I don't think that plot was ever resolved in NEX. Though could Courtney "616" eliminate Saturnyne and take over?

If Saturnyne were to take over the running of Otherworld, and if Sat-yr-9 were able to gain access to some means of dimensional transportation, then it might be possible, yes. But I wouldn't have thought likely.

[DDM]

WTF . Those are two different characters? I thought the evil one changed her ways and was working with Roma. when did they reveal there are more than one running around?

Opal Luna Saturyne first appears in The Mighty World of Marvel #381; whereas, Mastrex Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9 (Sat-Yr-Nin) first appears in Captain Britain #2 (second series). Yes, they are two separate characters. Sat-Yr-9 is far more psychotic version of Saturnyne.

Opal Luna Saturnyne is created by David Thorpe & Alan Davis; whereas, Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9 is created by Jamie Delano & Alan Davis.