Round 2 Public Vote - Closed

[Mateus]

Whoa, hey wait a second.

There are only, say twenty, Ten Ton guys voting over here. Both Nick and Charles are members of Ten Ton, and members have voted either way each round, and some have voted for neither Charles nor Nick. The guys and gals of Ten Ton are pretty professional like that, and have repeatedly said that even though they are familiar with the artwork and antics of Nick and Charles, that they will tend to vote for the artwork of the contestant, any contestant, that they like best.

It is not cheating for the artist to have a fan base. It IS cheating for members of that fan base to stuff ballots, etc...which has been addressed. Maybe, you should do some deep thinking about how artists may come to have a fan base. Charles, Nick and Caio (most likely), spent hours of time creating and sharing their art with other members of the forum, they received and gave critiques, shared common interests, possibly met up at some cons, and along the way, gained some new friends.

Maybe if you spent some time doing the same, instead of accusing people of cheating for making friends in the art world, you would have a fan base to support you too.

The End.
Exactly! The reason Caio has fans is because people like his art, and those fans are in Brazil because that's where he is from, that's where people know him. On CBI 1 there was a Brazilian here (Fernando Goni) but he didn't have a big fanbase in Brazil so he didn't get a lot of votes. The reason Caio has so many fans is because his art is that good. If he was American there probably would be American people from wherever he would post his art coming here and supporting him. Everyone can post their art anywhere and try to have people come here and vote for them, but that will only happen if his art is really good.

[arvin_Homessa]

Well then I will say the same about Wilson. I was wondering why these guys were coming out on top and I guess we now know. So this isn't a talent competetion after all. Have fun with your cheating, cheaters. I hope you don't take any pride in your first and second place finishes because they don't reflect your talent.

Seriously, I urge you both to submit blank pages for the next challenge. If you're trying to make a mockery of this competition (which you are doing), why not go all the way?

Egads mate, you´re not making much sense... Do you really believe that the only thing an artist needs to be a Hit is Talent?

Sure, talent is THE most important fact when it comes to art,and Caio (and in a way, Wilson) have proved that they have A LOT OF IT!. However, talent alone does´t make you the Next Jim Lee... You have to advertise your art, get contacts, tell your friends... tell your friend´s friends.

If you (or any other contestant) believe that organize a campaign for your own art is cheating and it´s all one needs to win, well, it´s acording to the rules. That means all contesters can make theyr own campaigns.

I For one believe the competition is fair and square.

Live Long and Prosper.

[polystyleneman]

Personally, I think that if I was to pick one stand out from the original top 10, it would probably be one of the remaining 6, so the voting system can't be too bad.

Everybody had talent, but I think the most impressive ones are still here.

[jpolacek]

As a member of Ten Ton, we support CPW and Nick, who participate in sharing art on our forums and competing in our weekly sketch challenges that have been running for the last 2 years. But that doesn't mean that they are guaranteed votes. I voted for Holder in Round 1. I admit we may have some bias, but I think for the most part, we vote for who we think did the best. Check the thread on our site (http://www.tentonstudios.com/forum/index.php?topic=4398.275) and judge for yourself

According to CB, CPW did the best pages, so I don't see what people have to complain about as far as him doing well in Round 2. And Caoi is talented as well. A case can be made that he did the best pages for Round 2.

By the way, if you examined the voting stats for round 1, you will see that there were other suspicious votes being cast for other people besides Caio. For example, one artist had CRAZYXLAKERXFAN & CRAZYXLAKERXFAN1, and another had 66mustang, 67mustang & 68mustang.

Anyway, I hope none of this controversy gets the artists down. Just keep doing your thing guys. You have a great opportunity to get your art in front of a lot of eyes, get fans and, most importantly, get even better.

[jasonbaroody]

Speaking for myself here, i will continue to vote for whoever i think did the best work in each round.
But i think all the artists that were chosen for CBI3, are kick @$$ talented,hard working and all around good people.
So please people stop casting aspersions at the contestants, they have enough pressure on them as is.

[rienji]

This contest is bogus. I don't know what Caio Oliveira is trying to prove, but wouldn't he rather win on artistic merit? If not, what's the point of this whole thing? Everytime he wins, he should be confident that it's only because he has asked people to vote for him because of his nationality rather than his art. Why does he bother making the drawings at all? Just submit blank pages and let your bogus voters declare you the winner.

It's a disgrace and the guy should drop out of the competition.

lol... please... :rolleyes:

[rjdimariamiskovic]

Well then I will say the same about Wilson. I was wondering why these guys were coming out on top and I guess we now know. So this isn't a talent competetion after all. Have fun with your cheating, cheaters. I hope you don't take any pride in your first and second place finishes because they don't reflect your talent.

Seriously, I urge you both to submit blank pages for the next challenge. If you're trying to make a mockery of this competition (which you are doing), why not go all the way?

Hey SGT. Pepper, just so you know, CPWIII doesn't ask for votes. I admit, I am a friend of his and I merely tell people he knows about the competition. Truely sorry if you don't like his artwork, but many of us do, so we vote for him. He discurages multiple vote, and if anyone does he'll be the first to denounce the vote.

Please, don't be disrespectful to Caio, Charles or any of the candidates.

Unfortunately, this is a forum for popularity. I'm certain all of the contestants would be proud to submit there work in front of a panel of ten top industry pros, instead of a multitude of fan-boy ingrates.

Sincerely yours,
Robert J. Miskovic
rjmiskovic@gmail.com

[Brandon Hanvey]

Unfortunately, this is a forum for popularity. I'm certain all of the contestants would be proud to submit there work in front of a panel of ten top industry pros, instead of a multitude of fan-boy ingrates.

The funny thing is that if someone wins, they may have to please some of those "fan-boy ingrates" when their work is published.

[Vig]

Unfortunately, this is a forum for popularity. I'm certain all of the contestants would be proud to submit there work in front of a panel of ten top industry pros, instead of a multitude of fan-boy ingrates.

Sincerely yours,
Robert J. Miskovic
rjmiskovic@gmail.com

I voted for Charles. I really liked his pages, not because he's 'popular' or something. I don't even know him. same goes to all the other contestants.

Lighten up you guys.

[rjdimariamiskovic]

The funny thing is that if someone wins, they may have to please some of those "fan-boy ingrates" when their work is published.

Too true. I'm one of those ingrates. No disrespect. I feel everyone did their best.

[Kalyan Pokala]

Too true. I'm one of those ingrates. No disrespect. I feel everyone did their best.

I understand your feeling and I know CPW a little bit from another forum. But I voted for him because I believe he had easily the best pages out of everyone.

I know some people feel it's a little bit of cheating or something to win by a popularity contest, but you know, that's how American Idol is done and that's good enough for Comic Book Idol.

Just because I consider CPW a friend, doesn't mean I vote for him. I vote for the guy I think did the best job.

Now if you feel people are just voting for someone because they are friends with the artists, you just have to deal with that.

And even though I am not a fan of Caio's art, don't hold the other people who ballot-stuffed for him, against him.

[mattx110]

i'm sure that we can come up with some kind of per capita system, where votes count as a certain percentage based on the number of people from the conutry in the vote;)

[joelcook]

Well then I will say the same about Wilson. I was wondering why these guys were coming out on top and I guess we now know. So this isn't a talent competetion after all. Have fun with your cheating, cheaters. I hope you don't take any pride in your first and second place finishes because they don't reflect your talent.

Seriously, I urge you both to submit blank pages for the next challenge. If you're trying to make a mockery of this competition (which you are doing), why not go all the way?

ummmm... You act as though the previous CBI's were completely devoid of multiple voting. The fact is Caio got in based on some work, which (IMO) isn't even his strongest. I was familiar with him before I even knew he was going to be in CBI. I think he seriously has some strong work. If his work was garbage, he wouldn't even make the starting 10. Give the kid some credit.

I firmly believe that like American Idol... success here does not necessarily translate into success in the real comic book world. I have always said, the best will come out on top. Maybe instead of coming off as a major whiner... why dont you do something more constructive than just suggest that these artists (who may have been waiting their whole lives for this exposure) do absolutely nothing?

Just because you are sore about the way "public vote" works, doesnt mean all of us can't just sit back and enjoy the work. I love seeing everyone's hard talent shine. I seriously hate seeing this ballot stuffing crap...

Keep it up, guys. I am super pumped for the Invincible work next week!

[Brandon Hanvey]

Round 2 graphs

http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/cbir2graph.gif

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[kalorama]

Well then I will say the same about Wilson. I was wondering why these guys were coming out on top and I guess we now know. So this isn't a talent competetion after all. Have fun with your cheating, cheaters. I hope you don't take any pride in your first and second place finishes because they don't reflect your talent.

Seriously, I urge you both to submit blank pages for the next challenge. If you're trying to make a mockery of this competition (which you are doing), why not go all the way?

That's just silly. Look, the winner in this contest is chosen by an open, popular vote. It's essentially an election.And what do people in an election do? They campaign. It's as simple as that. As long as the voting rules are adhered to (i.e., one per person) then there's nothing wrong with them drumming up support. In fact, it would be surprising (and not very good strategy) if they didn't.

[the goddamn batman]

wow:eek: A guy goes to work for a few days and everything gets crazy.:confused:

[AdamWalmsley]

It seems to be human nature for any competition to turn a little bitter. Atleast we're not playing kickball in elementary school. That woulda been even worse.

[Imparedor_das_Trevas]

Voted for Caio

[Goyo]

SGT Pepper could be right only if artists who were on top of charts here were not talented. And that's the only thing you can't say here.

Everybody has his/her favourites, despite being a fan, a friend, relative, or just voting for an unknown's good piece of art. So, as votes show, people have their different opinions. Fair enough.

But the one thing people will definetly agree is that everybody in this competition - even the ones that due to the formula of the competition were eliminated in rounds 1 and 2 - is talented and deserve to be here, showing their work.

And if in the end of the day we have a professional picking up his favourite artist, there is no way someone who's only being voted to the top because he has 296 siblings will win.

[TuPeT]

On this I agree on Goyo, the guy is talented. Look at his arts and the post about their works. You can see that their not here by mere coincidence.We all vote for those we like at most, not because of the nationality. I voted for Caio but never stop liking arts of guys like Dan, for instance.

If the situation were different and Caio had made a shitty job, I would agree that this was a fake. It's far from it.

[J. Torres]

I firmly believe that like American Idol... success here does not necessarily translate into success in the real comic book world.


I suppose it depends on how you define "success," but I believe all the American Idol winners have at least gone platinum with two or three going multi-platinum. Plus, that's not saying anything about some of the runners-up.

With CBI, both our winners have gone on to work for Marvel, Image, and/or DC. Plus, that's not saying anything about some of the runners-up.

But perhaps I digress...

[polystyleneman]

I suppose it depends on how you define "success," but I believe all the American Idol winners have at least gone platinum with two or three going multi-platinum. Plus, that's not saying anything about some of the runners-up.

With CBI, both our winners have gone on to work for Marvel, Image, and/or DC. Plus, that's not saying anything about some of the runners-up.

But perhaps I digress...

Ever notice on talent shows it seems to be the 2nd or 3rd place person that ends up becoming more famous or successful? I don't watch them but that's what I seem to notice from the unavoidable media coverage of these shows.

[joelcook]

I suppose it depends on how you define "success," but I believe all the American Idol winners have at least gone platinum with two or three going multi-platinum. Plus, that's not saying anything about some of the runners-up.

With CBI, both our winners have gone on to work for Marvel, Image, and/or DC. Plus, that's not saying anything about some of the runners-up.

But perhaps I digress...

well I don't know the last time I heard about Ruben Studdard ... and I live in Houston (4th biggest city in U.S.) and the grey haired guy who had just won the American Idol contest just canceled a show because he only sold 50 tickets... in a city of over 3 million.

I like this contest... its one of the ways to get new blood into the industry.

[polystyleneman]

well I don't know the last time I heard about Ruben Studdard ... and I live in Houston (4th biggest city in U.S.) and the grey haired guy who had just won the American Idol contest just canceled a show because he only sold 50 tickets... in a city of over 3 million.

I like this contest... its one of the ways to get new blood into the industry.

Yeah, I really like it too. Actually the only downside for me is any connection to "American Idol," lol. I'll just have to cringe whenever I see the logo. But it's all in good fun, I understand.:p

[Brandon Hanvey]

From looking at the Round 1 vs Round 2 graphs, it looks like the 3 hour time shift may have affected some votes.

Both Caio and Charles' patterns mimic each other but with more votes in Round 2.

Jon and Nick's patterns are interesting. Jon starts out stronger in Round 2. But then at around 12 PM (PST), he levels out to his Round 1 totals. He later picks up and passes his Round 1 totals. Nick, on the other hand, starts out slower in Round 2, and then he slowly catches up to his Round 1 totals.

Jose and Dan have similar patterns as well. Their Round 2 totals are less than their Round 1 totals, but the increase over time is about the same.

Andrew and Wilfredo just couldn't match their Round 1 votes this time, although Wilfredo did have a slight last minute push.

[sgt pepper]

Well, I don't care who wins the contest. I'm coming to the forum, looking at the submissions, and picking the one that I personally think is best, and both weeks I've had a tough time choosing because there were several that were awfully good.

I am just disappointed to find out that a number of voters are apparently not following the same or a similar process in choosing. I am not disappointed with the winners of the contests so much as I'm disappointed that the contest is not what I thought it was going to be (a popularity contest based on the submissions and talent, not a popularity contest based on other factors). Am I not allowed to be disappointed?

But you're all fine with it as is and are shiny and happy. So enjoy away, I guess.

[Goyo]

Well, I don't care who wins the contest. I'm coming to the forum, looking at the submissions, and picking the one that I personally think is best, and both weeks I've had a tough time choosing because there were several that were awfully good.

I am just disappointed to find out that a number of voters are apparently not following the same or a similar process in choosing. I am not disappointed with the winners of the contests so much as I'm disappointed that the contest is not what I thought it was going to be (a popularity contest based on the submissions and talent, not a popularity contest based on other factors). Am I not allowed to be disappointed?

But you're all fine with it as is and are shiny and happy. So enjoy away, I guess.

Yeah, right, not everybody is perfect like you are... http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/images/smiles/sleepy!.gif

[Brandon Hanvey]

I am just disappointed to find out that a number of voters are apparently not following the same or a similar process in choosing. I am not disappointed with the winners of the contests so much as I'm disappointed that the contest is not what I thought it was going to be (a popularity contest based on the submissions and talent, not a popularity contest based on other factors). Am I not allowed to be disappointed?

People vote for different reasons just like they buy comics for different reason.

I can't understand why people buy certain mainstream comics. But if they enjoy them, it doesn't really affect me.

[Justin D.]

My favorite thing about this year's CBI is how different the artists' styles are. Appealing to some different crowds. Nice stuff, everyone.

[Muddy Waters]

Well, I don't care who wins the contest. I'm coming to the forum, looking at the submissions, and picking the one that I personally think is best, and both weeks I've had a tough time choosing because there were several that were awfully good.

I am just disappointed to find out that a number of voters are apparently not following the same or a similar process in choosing. I am not disappointed with the winners of the contests so much as I'm disappointed that the contest is not what I thought it was going to be (a popularity contest based on the submissions and talent, not a popularity contest based on other factors). Am I not allowed to be disappointed?

But you're all fine with it as is and are shiny and happy. So enjoy away, I guess.

So everybody is supposed to vote using the same standards than you? I see, the classic holier than thou attitude...

For myself, I’m a member of the same board than Caio. I never met the guy. I’m not supporting him because he’s one of our guys or because he’s from the same country than I or any bull shit of the type. I know his work and I know how incredibly talented the guy is. Period.

Surely, I may be biased towards his artwork, but he doesn’t have my vote assured. If in any given round I think another contestant deserves it better, I would go for him.

And it also should be noted that our board is about comics. Our members love the comics media and we know what is good and bad in terms of artwork, as much as any comics fan.

So, please, don’t underestimate our opinions just because they’re different than yours.

I hope that subject is settled and we can move to talk about the contest, the artists and their works. Shall we?

[Brandon Hanvey]

Shall we?

Yeah. We should be talking about more important things such as what mini polls I should do next round in the late night hours of vote checking/re-capping.

[sukram]

Vote for Caio Oliveira

[Brandon Hanvey]

Vote for Caio Oliveira
The poll is closed for this round. You can vote in next week's poll when it opens.

[polystyleneman]

The poll is closed for this round. You can vote in next week's poll when it opens.

Why am I so amused by some of the comments in here? Not Brandon's, just to be clear.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Why am I so amused by some of the comments in here? Not Brandon's, just to be clear.

And here I thought I was being funny and entertaining people. My day is ruined.

[escapegoat]

My day is ruined.

But just think.... in a couple of days you'll get to see a lot of tentacle action happening around here.

[Brandon Hanvey]

I was playing with tagging and sorting in Word and came up with a way that let's you see how people voted in Round 1 compared to Round 2.

A lot of people voted the same, some people only voted in Round 1 or Round 2, and some switched.

http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r1vsr2sort.txt

[polystyleneman]

I was playing with tagging and sorting in Word and came up with a way that let's you see how people voted in Round 1 compared to Round 2.

A lot of people voted the same, some people only voted in Round 1 or Round 2, and some switched.

http://brainiac.boilingpoint.com/~cbi3/brandoncbi/r1vsr2sort.txt

I think there's a job open for you at google analytics...

[Brandon Hanvey]

I think there's a job open for you at google analytics...

Funny thing is I know some people who work for google.

[polystyleneman]

Funny thing is I know some people who work for google.

Ditto, that's the Bay area for ya. :D

[W.Blankenship]

I think I'm voting Mcdaid for the rest of the contest, unless someone steals that vote, which they probably won't.

I'm also going to do the play at home for this round, as Ottley is one of my heroes, and I'd like to get the chance for him and Kirkman to see my stuff. I don't think anything would come out of it, but even the chance of getting a thumbs up from Ottlety wouls give me something to move forward for.

3!LL

[Angelus10]

I vote for Charles Paul Wilson III

[J. Torres]

well I don't know the last time I heard about Ruben Studdard ... and I live in Houston (4th biggest city in U.S.) and the grey haired guy who had just won the American Idol contest just canceled a show because he only sold 50 tickets... in a city of over 3 million.

I like this contest... its one of the ways to get new blood into the industry.

Those dudes may be having trouble selling concert tickets, but they sure as hell sold some CDs! Like I said, platinum or better. Look it up if you don't believe me ;)

Anyway, Scherberger is our Kelly Clarkson. I'd like to see a Carrie Underwood come out of this someday, meaning someone who finds success in a different genre. But I wonder if slanting the assignments away from action/adventure and superhero stuff too much would make it... boring or at least visually less interesting to the majority of our viewers.