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ProfeZZor X
10-23-2007, 03:51 PM
It seems like his interactions with training his students has diminished over the years, and he's relied on his former students to continue the tradition. I know he's gone on to bigger and more important issues, such as solidifying human/mutant relations, the illuminati, and so forth, but it seems like he a little detached from what he's started over the years.

And as a result, his students have come to resent him. Not only because of his actions during Deadly Genesis, but for other reasons as well. I mean it's like he's there (at the mansion), but at the same time he's not all there.

Why do you think there is so much resentment by the students and lack of involvement on his part?

jarrod
10-23-2007, 03:57 PM
4th team actually, he trained the New Muties for a good while.

worstblogever
10-23-2007, 03:58 PM
He had hoped Scott and crew would be doing it and he could roll into the sunset and towards Genosha. Plus, he outsourced to Emma and Banshee.

Monty_Cristo
10-23-2007, 03:59 PM
It seems like his interactions with training his students has diminished over the years, and he's relied on his former students to continue the tradition. I know he's gone on to bigger and more important issues, such as solidifying human/mutant relations, the illuminati, and so forth, but it seems like he a little detached from what he's started over the years.

And as a result, his students have come to resent him. Not only because of his actions during Deadly Genesis, but for other reasons as well. I mean it's like he's there (at the mansion), but at the same time he's not all there.

Why do you think there is so much resentment by the students and lack of involvement on his part?

he was focusing his energy on other things. and mabye Onslaught played a part in him distancing himself from the younger mutants.

Phil Hunn
10-23-2007, 04:20 PM
Easy: he was too busy amassing dark secrets to bother training his students :p

ProfeZZor X
10-23-2007, 04:25 PM
He had hoped Scott and crew would be doing it and he could roll into the sunset and towards Genosha. Plus, he outsourced to Emma and Banshee.

I never understood that, becasue it's not like he had anything else that was more important going on at the time. Just because he felt sorry for Emma losing the Hellions in battle is no reason for him to hand over another group of kids to her so easily.

Omega Alpha
10-23-2007, 04:39 PM
I never understood that, becasue it's not like he had anything else that was more important going on at the time. Just because he felt sorry for Emma losing the Hellions in battle is no reason for him to hand over another group of kids to her so easily.

The real reason is that Lobdell wanted Chuck to be playing daddy for the senior X-men on the mansion, nothing else.

ProfeZZor X
10-23-2007, 04:44 PM
The real reason is that Lobdell wanted Chuck to be playing daddy for the senior X-men on the mansion, nothing else.

Then why continue to recruit more students if he's relinquishing his responsibilities as headmaster to an ex-villain and a washed up superhero?
Not necessarily a smart move on his part. Especially for public relations. And wasn't the Hellfire club known to the general human populace?

Omega Alpha
10-23-2007, 04:46 PM
Then why continue to recruit more students if he's relinquishing his responsibilities as headmaster to an ex-villain and a washed up superhero?
Not necessarily a smart move on his part.

I agree, but, like i said, there was no reason storywise, Lobdell just wanted to keep things the same with the X-men, with Chuck playing daddy and in charge.


Especially for public relations. And wasn't the Hellfire club known to the general human populace?

They knew the club existed, but not it's evil activities.

ProfeZZor X
10-23-2007, 05:00 PM
I agree, but, like i said, there was no reason storywise, Lobdell just wanted to keep things the same with the X-men, with Chuck playing daddy and in charge.

Fast forwarding to present day, we're still not seeing as much involvement from him, even in the wake of Endangered Species. Go figure...

Omega Alpha
10-23-2007, 05:01 PM
Fast forwarding to present day, we're still not seeing as much involvement from him, even in the wake of Endangered Species. Go figure...

He left to do other things, help reconstruct Genosha, etc, and is trying to come back now, but now he just doesn't have a place there anymore, they have outgrown him, and the 1353523547 new shocking dark secrets don't help.

Monty_Cristo
10-23-2007, 05:07 PM
Easy: he was too busy amassing dark secrets to bother training his students :p

he trained many of his dark secrets, though.

ProfeZZor X
10-23-2007, 05:08 PM
He left to do other things, help reconstruct Genosha, etc, and is trying to come back now, but now he just doesn't have a place there anymore, they have outgrown him, and the 1353523547 new shocking dark secrets don't help.

But as a father fiigure, whether they've outgrown him or not, I fail to see the reason why they wouldn't need him now, more than ever.

After all he started all this, but his public image is slowly becoming more obscure than ever. He's off rebuilding a nation that's fallen as a result of various failures, yet there are fewer mutants now to populate it. It just makes it all that much easier to eliminate them this time around than before.

But yeah, I see where you're coming from.

Monty_Cristo
10-23-2007, 05:17 PM
But as a father fiigure, whether they've outgrown him or not, I fail to see the reason why they wouldn't need him now, more than ever.

After all he started all this, but his public image is slowly becoming more obscure than ever. He's off rebuilding a nation that's fallen as a result of various failures, yet there are fewer mutants now to populate it. It just makes it all that much easier to eliminate them this time around than before.

But yeah, I see where you're coming from.

a lot of that, i think, was Charles coping. he's had a lot of bad stuff on his plate; lately (Danger/Xorn/Cassandra Nova/HoM/Decimation/etc). plus he has to deal with his own mortality and omega-class powers. most people his age (and after experiencing less stress) would have retired long ago.

ProfeZZor X
10-23-2007, 05:30 PM
a lot of that, i think, was Charles coping. he's had a lot of bad stuff on his plate; lately (Danger/Xorn/Cassandra Nova/HoM/Decimation/etc). plus he has to deal with his own mortality and omega-class powers. most people his age (and after experiencing less stress) would have retired long ago.

That hasn't stopped Magneto, Wolverine, Sinister, or Apocalypse from their causes. And some of them are significantly older than Xavier.

Stagier
10-23-2007, 06:35 PM
isn't it funny that many a complaint about marvel is that after all these years it's the same formula.

the characters don't age/die permantely and have repetitive adventures, one decade after another.

finally marvel is man-ing up and actually progressing their characters. some anyways.

and people are still unhappy.

DeniseXfrost
10-23-2007, 08:02 PM
Because it would make the books boring.

Funkdmonkey
10-23-2007, 09:51 PM
That hasn't stopped Magneto, Wolverine, Sinister, or Apocalypse from their causes. And some of them are significantly older than Xavier.

Well all those characters but Magneto don't exactly age in the normal sense.

However, even Magneto has been "reborn" enough times...